WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 30 May 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.519 Welcome to the Late Debase. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.039 Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caler bond 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.600 Eve for the second hour of TV tonight. Props to 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.200 you if you've stayed since Kredlin where you watched me 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:21.320 six pm, joined of course by Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.439 Right, you know how please? 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.120 You know how much we love a council story on 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.639 this program, and we've got plenty of it for you. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:30.479 Tonight. We'll tell you. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.240 About a council over in the US campaigning for menstrual equality, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.160 whatever that is in the papers. We'll tell you about 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.800 a mayor here in Australia who lied about his particulars 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.320 during the election campaign and then blamed it on a 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.920 hundred concussions. And then later on in the show we'll 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:54.000 tell you about the dumbest court defendant ever. But first, you, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.400 like me, perhaps grew up watching cricket on TV. Now, 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.760 some of our old viewers of would have come to 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:02.640 it a little bit later, but I grew up with 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.639 the likes of Tony greg and Richie Benno and Bill 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.199 Lourie in the Halcyon days of Channel nine. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.560 Commentari Does this remind you. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.959 Whatever turns to a star because she seemed to run 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.280 straight at him and all of a sudden he was. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:21.759 On his back. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.760 Fitchen's enjoying Tony West's seed. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:37.639 Straightaway. He's Christ out of the stumps taste. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.160 Now. Of course, the bloke you saw at the end 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.120 there was Michael Slater. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.160 Once upon a time. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.920 He was a decorated Test player who played seventy four 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.840 Tests for Australia, an average of forty two point eight 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:57.200 three runs, fourteen centuries and twenty one half centuries and 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.760 he was a big part of my childhood watching. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.080 But of course in recent years he's had to deal. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.000 With and has gone through a number of arrests and 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.639 convictions for domestic violence and other related offenses. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:11.760 He was caught. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:16.639 Again last month and charged with some nineteen domestic violence 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.000 related charges and with zen put in the slammer because 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.080 he was denied bail. Will the Wogga Wogga Council and 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.360 he was a Wogga Wogga boy, has decided to take 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.760 his name off the Michael Slater Oval. The council voted 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.680 last night four to three to remove his name. After 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.600 a couple of weeks ago someone puts some tape over 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.280 his name on the sign. Well, they've made it official 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.280 now because of course they have decided that he has 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.560 brought shame to the region, and it opens up this 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.880 question of whether or not whenever someone commits an offense 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.880 or does something wrong, their name should be expunged from history. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.840 That's of course what they're doing to Michael Slater here. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.080 And yes he has been convicted, so it's not all 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:06.919 allegations anymore. But you know, I'm really conflicted on this one, Liz, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.040 because sure, he is a man who has fallen from grace, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.840 and there's no doubt he has done bad things. He 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:18.840 has convictions relating to domestic violence and other violence, etc. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.520 But can you separate the man or the woman, as 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.880 the case may be, from the crime and say, look, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.400 we still leave the name there because it goes down 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.800 this road of you know, we're tearing down statues, or 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.800 certainly people at Kamikazi tearing down statues now because they've 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.320 decided that someone was a bad historical figure. We have 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.160 names being removed from streets and electorates and all sorts 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.800 of things because we've decided that they're no longer okay. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.760 Is it okay to say no more? 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:50.720 We don't want you. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.480 Well, it was the honor of having this oval named 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.800 after him predated all of these offenses. So you're quite 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.120 right in saying the question is, can you honor someone 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:09.280 for extraordinary professional especially athletes, their prowess at any kind 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:14.560 of thing, as well as knowing that in their personal 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.839 life they were a piece of crap. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.000 But at the time as well. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.479 So if the answer is yes, and we should just 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.360 expunge anyone that had dodgy things going on in their 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.040 personal life at some point. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.760 Who would be left. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.000 There wouldn't be a building left or an oval left. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.440 We'd have to rename them all, and we'd have to 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.840 start calling them after nobody. Because if I name something 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.920 today in honor of Joe, such an upstair, what is it? 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.120 And tomorrow he commits some sort. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.960 Of felony is his name? 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.320 Then exponge like it just reaches a level. Obviously, these 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.479 honors nowadays are never handed to someone who currently has 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.560 convictions on their records because people would just be like, 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.400 we don't care what you achieved as a cricketer, you're 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.120 a terror able person when it comes to your personal life. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.680 But because it pre dates and his achievements. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.279 Still stand I just think it's a moot point. You'd 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.760 have to start renaming a lot of things, doing your 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.760 homework on everyone who's ever had anything named after them, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.160 going into their personal lives and saying, well, did these 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.280 guys have something bad going on behind doors as well? 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.360 Yeah? I think it's probably a sliding scale, isn't it. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.320 I mean, in theory, the art should be its own thing, right, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.719 So you know, a song is a good song regardless 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.200 of who wrote it. The song stands to a masterpiece. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.479 Doesn't matter what say, Leonardo da Vinci did in his private. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:38.040 Life, they're the ones. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.000 It's still a masterpiece. But then again, where do you 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.880 draw the line? And this is what this is what 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.520 I'm kind of concerned about. Firstly, that this happened just 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.960 because someone took it upon themselves to cross out his name, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.560 and then the council suddenly decided that had to rename 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.360 the Oval. So it didn't do it. You know, months 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.520 or years ago when these charges were first raise viction 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.520 of the first phrase, So do they have a little 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.640 sort of abacus where they go, all right, yeah, okay, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.000 third conviction. Now you don't get the oval. But the 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.160 first couple of you find like again, it's a problematic one. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.719 Does everyone still listen to Michael Jackson songs? 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.719 Well, and that's because the seasons. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.039 Took Michael Jackson after we all found out that it 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.520 really was Michael Jackson in that episode, they took him 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:21.760 off it. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.719 But you listened to any FM radio station and they're 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.800 still playing Michael Jackson's right, And. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.880 Then okay, so we've got that all right. Michael Jackson 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.360 was never convicted before you're ride in, so that there's 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.359 plenty of plenty of reguations out there. Rolf Harris, Ye, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.240 do we still listen to Rolf Harris songs or not? 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:37.520 You know? 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.520 I don't well, I mean I remember at school it 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.440 was you know, Jake the Peg and Tymy Kangaroo down Sport. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:44.440 But I suppose he's been. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:46.800 There was a community center. I think it was in 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.800 Wi Community Center. I'm not sure if it was named after. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.599 I had a Rolf Harris mural sort of dedicated to him, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.239 and they got rid of that because I thought, well, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.440 we just can't have it there. But again, Pablo Picasso, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.560 he was a bit of an a hole by all reports, 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.240 And there are plenty of plenty if you're talking about 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.520 domestic violence here, plenty of figures of history. You could 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.600 go back. John Lennon admitted to hitting his partner, and 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.400 he actually admits it in an interview, says I was 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.000 a hitter, and he writes about it in a song. Now, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.160 are we not going to listen to any John Lennon musically? 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.200 They're going to rename John Lennon International Airport at Liverpool 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.960 if we're not going to have any tolerance for domestic violence. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.360 Or because he repented and said he doesn't do it anymore, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.240 is that they're okay because he's a man of peace? 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.760 Well what if Michael Slater says, I'm really really sorry, 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.920 I've found God. I'm a man of peace. Now do 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.240 I get the name of my oval back? So anyone 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.440 who thinks that this is a black and white issue, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.000 frankly doesn't know their history. And it's same guys with 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.760 tearing down statues, whether it's Captain Cook or the Confederate 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.960 statues that were built during the Jim Crow area in 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.440 the American South. Fine, you know who they're tearing down now, 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.360 Winston Churchill. They're tearing down Mahatma Gandhi because Gandhy wasn't 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.600 sufficiently advocating on the side of black South Africans. Who's 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.080 more concerned with Indian South Africans, And so he was 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.960 a racist as well because he you know, he supported 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.360 sliding color scar when he was there at the time. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.920 Where do you draw the line? Do you demolish Paris 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.840 because it was built by Napoleon? There was a terrible 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.160 the nineth century dictator. I think if the. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:17.000 Honor predates the crime, sorry reverse that. So if yeah, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.480 if the honor predates the crime, leave it. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.200 Otherwise it's going to. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.600 Be impossible to roll out. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.960 Obviously, the council was very divided on this as well. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.040 The vote was three to four. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:33.480 So also, who is going to then decide how bad 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.000 the crime has to be in order for the honor 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:36.840 to be revoked. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.000 Jim Jeffrey actually has developed formula I want. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.000 To remove honors or thought crimes. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:44.240 It's like this. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:49.400 Person holds certain opinions, like the famous saga of Margaret Court, people. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.200 Calling for the arena named in her honor. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:57.160 She still holds the world record for women's championships one, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.439 and yet they want to go, well, we don't leave 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.280 what she believes, and so she should lose. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.560 The honor of having this arena named after her. So 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.000 then even if. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.080 You even if you go okay, let's let's roll with 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.640 this a little bit, it very quickly gets out of 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.679 hand and people go, oh, well that's a crime. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.760 Can I say, I know this is going to be controversial, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.320 but I actually do support the renaming of Margaret Court No, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.959 because it should be called Margaret Court Court. Let's not 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.720 care for it. And then they should build an arena 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.199 next to it and call it Tina Arena Arena. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.080 Hey, I'd be in full support of that. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:34.000 I love Margaret. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.320 I also love Tina Arena. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.480 But I mean, you know, I mean Wayne Carey is 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.079 getting around Mogga Boy. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.839 As well in football. That's so good, that's right. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.880 So it's almost some people get a second chance and 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.920 other people don't get a sick that's right. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.600 And I think it often depends on your ratings, your money, 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.680 whether or not you've covered it up, whether or not 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.520 you're able to you know. I mean, this is the thing. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.000 It seems to me. It is very rarely a morally 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.120 pure decision. And again if often it starts with a 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.160 bit of sort of you know, vigilanteism or vandalism, and 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:06.079 so often as the council or the body. And we've 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.720 seen this in the US with the statues as well, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.960 taking this incredibly moraled and principal decision because it's just 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.080 easier because if they don't do it, then they're worried 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.040 about this cready coming back. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.560 It's like, oh, while leaving this oval in his name, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.640 you support women bashing. That is a ridiculous equivocation. 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:23.280 Let's go to. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:28.160 Another renaming of a street, this time in Mullen Bimbi. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.960 It's called Hot and Tot Crescent and this was noticed 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.120 by a South African uber driver who told his mate 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:37.760 and they. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.600 Took the council to task on this. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.280 Not the council, actually the Geographical Names Board, who. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.560 Knew that we had one saying this. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.320 Is well was a racial slur back in the day 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:50.880 in South Africa. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.360 You simply cannot keep this name. One of the names 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:55.079 that has. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.960 Been ruled out as a replacement option is Drunken Parrot Play, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:01.720 so you'll be relieved to know that. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.680 But now I have named it Drunken Irishman Place. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.320 So Johnny Simon's the Byron Bay resident who took this up, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.199 said I grew up under apartheid and I am very 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.960 aware of what that name means, because it was a 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.400 name my people were called. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.640 It was shortened to hot. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.239 Tot's to make you feel inferior. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.400 Only if you or your family were called those things. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.280 Can you fully understand what it means? 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:28.560 Now? 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.160 I'm sure there's no person who reads that and isn't 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.839 empathetic to what he's saying. However, the crescent was called 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.959 hot and Tot because it has a plant that goes 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.400 by the name of hot and Tot, which grows all 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.320 along the crescent, hence the name. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.079 So again, I had no. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:47.360 Idea this was a racial slur. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.480 I I've never heard of it. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.880 If so either, But this is like when we renamed 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.200 coon cheese, which had nothing to do with anything indigenous 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.600 and everything to do with Edward Kuhn, who came up 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.960 with a patent to mature cheese far faster. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.640 Thanks Edward Love, you were sorry about the man. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.880 We renamed Chicko's to Cheeky's. We renamed redskins. 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.960 Yes, kids have loly cigarettes. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.880 So the Hot and Top bean tree, I've no doubt 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.000 the Hot and Top being ascribed to it probably had 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:28.480 a racial connotation to begin with, But the shottier racky 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.240 Patala is the scientific name for the tree. But when 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.040 they named the street after the hot and top bean tree, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:36.800 I don't think. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.840 Anyone was sitting there going, oh boy, let's choose a 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:40.720 racial slur. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.600 Three of us even knew that that was a racial slur. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:47.360 In any country. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.760 That's what we call the hot water bottles. It is 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:51.880 little hot top to go to bed. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.559 But so we get caught up in these stupid arguments 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.920 about oh the streets racist, or we should change the 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.960 date of Australia, and all we talk about is surface 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.760 level nonsense. Because it feels nice to change it. We 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.560 can go, oh, we changed the street name. Look, how 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.320 good are we. We've solved racism. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:11.720 Here in Australia. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.800 And we'll get to Laura Tingle on those matters in 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.920 a minute. But you know, it makes people feel lovely 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.760 and virtuous because we've done something nice. But is there 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.679 a single South African on the face of the planet 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.880 who will get up tomorrow morning and go blame me, Charlie? 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.680 Can you believe in mullum mimbi they change the name 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.800 of Hot and Tot Crescent and our. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.960 Racism is solved. It doesn't work like. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.559 Thatlthough I do love the idea of South African suddenly 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:41.320 talking like alf from home and away, I think that's 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.800 that's an absolute squatcher here in joe Burgh. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.160 But I just every time we have one of these things, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.360 I just can't believe that people get so passionate. I mean, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.439 obviously we're passionate about it here pointing out the ridiculousness 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.240 of it, but people actually feel so passionate about it 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.720 that they will spend hours, days, months campaigning to change 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.040 the name of the street when they could have actually 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.760 gone out and done something material in terms of. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.360 The bar is so low offence equals changed. This was 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.480 two blokes in this instance, and much like Bakoon Cheese episode, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.440 it was never about you. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.240 It was about Edward Coon. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.720 This this crescentce name was never about you. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:28.040 It was about the plant. Like in the naming of 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.400 the shouldn't we go. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.200 To most looks with pure hearts named? 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.080 I think I think that this is one of the 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.240 clear examples that Laura Tingle was talking about to the 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:44.680 Sydney Writers Festival last Sunday when she said that Australia 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.800 is a racist country, always has been, she said, and 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:53.720 now she has doubled down on her comments suggesting Australia 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.880 is a racist country. And this comes at the same 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.240 time as she's apparently been counseled saying that Australia is 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.400 a racist country. So justin sevens the ABC News buster 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.600 says she's very very sorry, she regrets it terribly. I 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.600 don't put out a statement saying we're all very sorry. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.200 It was a terrible mistake. She shouldn't have said it. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.000 Then Laura Tingle releases a statement the size of a 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:23.120 quarterly essay. It was basically basically detailing why she was 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.120 perfectly within her rights to say it and why she's 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.840 a racist country, listing all these examples of how racis 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.240 is and how terrible Peter Dutton was for you know, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.600 dog whistling apparently allegedly in his budget reply speech, and 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.000 even said and this is what takes the cake for me. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:46.240 Even raised in her statement the anti semitism angle. So 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.120 she said, after all, the Australian has been saying for 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.680 months about all these all these anti Semitic actions that 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.040 have been sweeping through the country. So she's actually turned 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.600 it back. She hasn't herself said that anti semitism was 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.080 one of the examples of racism that she was raising, 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.800 because imagine if she'd said that the Sydney writers that 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.160 might have in all Australia a racist country. On mass 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.520 Oh that's fine every because yeah, like that anti semitism, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.680 what you sire? That's big dog you fashion. So it's 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:24.280 just a bizarre situation where again, you know, there's like 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.520 I don't think there is any actual awareness of what 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.920 people are upset about or what they find so kind 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.920 of I don't know, not offensives, I don't like the 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.760 whole offense utresting, but just so out of touch and 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.120 out of step with mainstream Australian values. Anyway. This is 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.800 what Peter Dutton had to say about it on two 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:42.640 GB this morning. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.880 Laura Tinkles outed herself now as somebody who is a 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.880 part of san She's a green slash labor supporter, she 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:56.040 is political in nature, and therefore her credibility as a 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.200 journalist really is shot. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.760 Which is exactly what you'd expect a racist to say. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.640 Confirmation Confirmation. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.080 It blows my mind, I mean, because this is because 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.439 this is the stuff, this is where not only this 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.680 because it gets my goat, because this is where someone 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.400 who is for the kind of sensible center left and 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.040 everyone to focus on real issues instead of this stupid, dumb, 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.919 kind of inner city preoccupation. Let's not forget that the 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:28.600 only racist scenario Laura Tingle imagined from the budget reply 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.360 speech she was so upset by occurred in her own head. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.200 The only racist thoughts were in her own head as 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.760 she was imagining all this racism that was being unleashed. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.520 And I agree with her analysis on the migration policy. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.719 I don't think Peter Dunton is right on migration, but 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.040 do I think that is racist just for raising it, Well. 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.919 It's going to cause people to rock up to you know, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.880 open inspections and just start abusing people on mass. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.800 Seventy five percent of Australians do agree with Dunnan on 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.879 the immigration policy and saying yes, we need more clamp 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:02.680 down on this right now. It's ridiculous million rather arriving 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.320 in the country just last year. We simply can't accommodate this. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.960 Dutton was simply making the point, Yes, it is impacting housing, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.359 it is impacting traffic, et cetera, and so on. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.520 How could it not so? 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:19.080 The ABC wheel out managing director David Anderson to know 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.720 unruffle the ruffled feathers. Here he is today at the 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:28.320 Senate Environment and Communications Legislation Committee, basically saying, look, she's 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.159 not going to be stood down from work or the board. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:32.439 We've sorted it. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.560 A mature nation, regardless of political views, should be able 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.520 to discuss such issues in a respectful and intelligent way. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.159 The ABC's role and the work of our journalist light 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:49.080 miss Tingle, is to help facilitate those debates on our platforms. Finally, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.159 Miss Tingle does not deserve the ferocity and frankly vicious 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:53.440 attacks that we've seen this week. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.720 So vicious, so vicious. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:57.639 She can't handle it. 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:58.840 No, and neither can we. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.119 I don't know why they got him to go to 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.480 this Senate committee because the entire. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.080 Thing he was so piss week. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.800 There was a quick apology and all the rest of 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.600 it was blaming news Court for like highlighting this and 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.080 made it a news Court fee. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.479 You can't do anything about Layd Tingle. They can't get 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.159 rid of it. There will be an open revolution. The 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.080 staff would revolt and the friends of the ABC type 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.240 so were also whiter than a polar bear at a 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.520 snow store, saw a picture of them recently, I was 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.920 just trying to find anyone who was just a less 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.480 wider shild of pale. But he can't. That would be 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.640 an open revolt, because you know, that's how the ABC runs. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.320 And I'd said last night that you know, if you 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.160 go go to Twitter, guarantee tens of thousands of people 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.400 Laura Tingle was trending. I think it was the number 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.000 one trending topic. It was something like when I happened 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.920 to look at it, like fourteen thousand mentions or something 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.320 like this. This is just going crazy. And this is 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.560 the sort of thing that inner city left are just 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.960 obsessed with. I've never seen homelessness or poverty get that 0:19:58.040 --> 0:19:58.400 kind of. 0:19:58.880 --> 0:19:59.840 Oh what a surprise. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.960 And Anderson went on today about impartiality because he was 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.239 asked about whether, of course, all of this affects the 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.280 impartiality of Laura Tingle, and he said that it did 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:12.159 not affect Laura Tingle's impartiality, but it had threatened the 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.920 impartiality of the ABC. 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.040 How do you reconcile that. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.880 I mean, the woman whose mouth the words came out of, No, no, no, 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.199 that's fine, there's nothing wrong with her impartiality. But the 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.720 ABC has been heard by the whole thing, and then 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.040