1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Good day everyone, and welcome back to Drafted, the official 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Super Coach Draft show right here on the official Super 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Coach podcast feed. It is your boy Dossie here alongside 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: super Coach Draft enthusiast Patch. Welcome back, Patch. 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Gooday, happy to be back. Very keen for some more 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: draft chat. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Episode two. We are going to be talking all things 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: midfielders and we're getting into ranking season and to help 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: us with our ranks, we have draft expert and former 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: member of the world famous Jock Reynolds community. It is Lecdog. 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Lecdog. 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 3: Thank you mate, self proclaimed draft expert. Happy to be here, 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: happy to deliver the official Super Coach Draft rankings, and 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: everything we see in this podcast will stand and is 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: not to be argued with. These are factual rankings. 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: We are giving you correct, absolutely no challenges between now 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: and whenever you're draft. 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: If you pick a player that is suddenly injured, that 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: is on you. 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: It's on you now. If you do want to read 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: Lekdog's entire top one hundred ranks, including positional tiers, that's 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: available right now on Code Sports. You can go check 23 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: out the entire list there. But at the moment we're 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: going to go through the top thirty midfield rankings. And 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: just to be clear, this is for Super Coach Draft. 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: If you want to check out our thoughts on midfielders 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: in Super Coach Classic the salary cap format, you can 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: check that out on this very feed. Our previous episode 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: yesterday we recorded on the lair. We're going to go 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: in conjunction with them talking midfielders in Classic, then jumping 31 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: on the Drafted podcast to talk all things draft. Let's 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: get started. Let's go through your top ten Lefdog and 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: we'll discuss this glorious top ten that you've got. 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well do you want to go from first to 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: tenth or tenth to first? 36 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: We start win number one, number one, I. 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: Mean number one. 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: He's not just number one in the midfield, he's number 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: one in the comp he was last year as well. 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: It's Marcus BoNT and Pelli. He's the best player in 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: Super Coach. He might be the best player in the AFL. 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's roll through one through ten and then I 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: think we'll discuss each sort of little pick there. 44 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: So after the bond, we've got a young gun and 45 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: Nick dekos in at number two. 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 4: Zachi Butters falls at. 47 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: Number three, Zach Mister consistent number four, Caleb Sarong fifth, 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Lockie Neil still a top ten player, number six, Andrew 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: bray Shaw is seventh, Josh Dunky is eighth, Luca Davies 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: a Uniac is ninth, and sitting at tenth. 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 4: I have Isaac Keeney. 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I think now we'll just discuss a few 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: of the individual players BoNT and Dekos top two, even 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Butters third. I think there's no real arguments there. All 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: guys that could potentially go one twenty. Butters already did 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: go one twenty last year. Dekos, I think it was 57 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: a one seventeen. Maybe talk us through your tiers as 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: well at this point, Lekdog, and then we can discuss 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: sort of further. That's just briefly outline what tiers are. Again. 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: We did our draft one oh one episode the other week, 61 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: so we are going to be talking more at at 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: an in depth level now that we're into the official podcast. 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: But walk us through your tiers in that top ten. 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. There's a couple of things to note. 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: If your defense or mid or rock eligible, you'll be 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: found in those rankings, not in the midfield ranking. We're 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: just talking pure mids right the way I do my tiers. 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: So last year this was highlighted a lot where I'd like, 69 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: for instance, Zach Merritt ahead of Caleb Sarong, and everyone. 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: Lost their mind. Calub's wrong better than Zach Merritt. 71 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: I just have him slightly ahead, but they're both Tier 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: three players. So to me, the number one on his 73 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: own stand out Tier one player is Marcus BoNT and 74 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: Pelli and you do everything you can to get him. 75 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: Then at your next pick, if you had a Nick 76 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: Dekos or a Zach Butter's who I have in Tier 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: two available, I essentially have them on equal footing, so 78 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: you want to grab one of them if they're available 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 3: with your second pick, or with your first pick, if 80 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: bonds On available. And then Tier three is a bit bigger. 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: It's got Merits, a wrong Neil and Brayshaw in it, 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: and basically it's just I do have to put these 83 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: guys in an order, but I'm basically saying these guys 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: are all pretty much in the same spot. You'd be 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 3: happy with getting these guys anywhere around your selection, so. 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: It's not just mt of saying this guy's first, these 87 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: two guys are equal second, and these guys are all 88 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: like equal third. 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that when you're talking about mid specific Yes, 90 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: and then I use those positional tiers when I'm putting 91 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: together the top one hundred, because I might bump ay 92 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: Tier one Ford above a like a Tier five midfielder, 93 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: even though he going to score lower, just because he's 94 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: got a rareer position. So they made him more in 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: the top one hundred. But yeah, as you said, Patch, 96 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: when we're talking midfielders, if they were if there's two 97 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: guys at a tier three and you're upset that ones 98 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: ahead of the other, they're basically in the same span. 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: Like, I'm incredibly mad at you disrespecting my boy Zach 100 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: Merritt like that disrespecting. 101 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I think he's way higher then he actually averaged last 102 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: year versus some of these guys. Maybe walk us through 103 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: why you're so keen honor Zach Merritt this season. I 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: think you know Sarong was slightly above him. Locky Neil 105 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: was certainly averaged higher than him last season. But I'm 106 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: not arguing against Zach Merritt. He's an absolute gun, we 107 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: know that. But he's very high in your ranks. 108 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: He elect He is so one of the key factors 109 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: I put into these rankings instant just their average, it's 110 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: the total points they produce across the season. So Zaki Barrett, 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: he was fifth last year for total points in the 112 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: midfield and he's basically sits there every single year. And 113 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: for me, that consistency and that availability is really important. 114 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: Azak Nick Dakoss is above him just for upside and 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: he's just a beast. And then if you're gonna split 116 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: hairs in this tier three section, which is merits wrong 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: Neil and Brayshaw, I just feel like Merit for both 118 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: consistency and availability, he's probably a hair ahead of those 119 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: other guys. But you're right, Locke, Neil did average more 120 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 3: than him last year, and he played one less game 121 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: than him, and it basically comes out at they scored 122 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: the same amount of points. 123 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of other players I want to discuss. 124 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: I know I'm high on this guy. I think I 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: have him. I have him a touch lower in my ranks. 126 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: I think I have him at tenth, but still very high. 127 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: But Andrew Brayshaw at seven as well. From a memory, 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: I think one hundred and nine average last year. So 129 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: putting him top ten, especially at seventh, just below the 130 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: likes of Locke Neil who averaged one twenty and just 131 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: slightly below Kalb's the wrong with average one fifteen. You're 132 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: expecting big things from Andrew Brayshaw in twenty twenty five. 133 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's another one where I just think there's some 134 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: upside built into his game. I think there's some extra 135 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: points maybe available in that Freemantle midfield and you know 136 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: through where I'm hoping that five stops going anywhere near it. 137 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: I'm interested to see what Hayden Young Hayden Young's roles 138 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: in the new year. But I just think there's a 139 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: slight bit of upside in him. And again he's consistent, 140 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: he plays every game. He scored slightly less total points 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: than a Josh Dunkley, but I do think he's got 142 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: a bit of bit upside built into him. So, like 143 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: I'm pretty happy with anyone in these spots. Yeah, Brayshaw, Neil, Calebs, Rob, 144 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: they're all bloody good. But Brayshaw, for me, he's kind 145 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: of He's very similar to Zach Merritt, And you'll find 146 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: as we go through these ranks. I prefer a higher 147 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: floor than a higher ceiling. I just I mean, you'd 148 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: like both, but I prefer consistency, particularly in draft, particularly 149 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: because i'd recommend if you're running draft, you're not having 150 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: captains turned on. I just want guys who've going to 151 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: play every week and score points every week. I think 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: Bray sure merit. They fit the bill in that respect, 153 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: and they just get a little bump that as a result. 154 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: So Isaac Heeney was all the rage last year being 155 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: a forward and classic people frothed over him, and rightfully 156 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: so he was playing as a midfielder. Has lost that 157 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: forward eligibility and you've still got him in the top ten. 158 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: You think he's still a top ten midfielder standalone. Once 159 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: you take the forward the forward situation out, you know 160 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: we've got Mills coming back. This one has lost the 161 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: Grand Final. Having new coach, you're not worried about his role, 162 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: changing him maybe going forward to fix their forward line problems. 163 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: Well taught me through the hen Dog. 164 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting question. My assumption perats would be 165 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: that his role remains pretty similar to last year, So 166 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: a lot of midfield but also able to push forward 167 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: and kick goals. Yes, Callum Mills will be back, and 168 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: he may be back for two three whole games next 169 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: year or this year. It's going to be really impressive 170 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: when he does. But I just don't see there being 171 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: too much scope for Heene's role to change. Yes, he 172 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: lacks forward eligibility, so he won't be a Classic option, 173 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: but I still there's no reason why he can't score points. 174 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: I could see argument, so I got him in at 175 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: Tier five ahead of Tom Green, Patrick Cripps and then 176 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: No Anderson Christian Petrarca at tier six. You can argue 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: that maybe Tom Green out performs him. Maybe unbiased because 178 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: the first time I've ever owned Tom Green and Classic 179 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: last year he scored five points. Maybe I'm biased because 180 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: I'm not sure in Christian Petrarca's health. But I really 181 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: think there's no reason why Isaac Heeney can't outscore Errol Gordon, 182 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: Tom Green, and Patrick Cripps in total points in the 183 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: year twenty twenty five. I was really tossing up and 184 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: again this is splitting hairs between Erl Goulden and Isaac Heeney. 185 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: I think Errol Gordon's scope to play outside at times 186 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: can potentially hinder the hap on he's scoring, even though 187 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: we know he's got a massive ceiling, but Isaaciny, like 188 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: the Swans, are serious. He needs to continue playing in 189 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: their midfield and pushing forward and kicking goals in clutch moments, 190 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: which is what provides really good super coach scoring. 191 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you mentioned some of those names from eleven 192 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: to twenty. Do you want to run through the full 193 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: list of eleven to twenty four us, let's do that. 194 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: So eleven to twenty we've got. So it was Isaacini 195 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: at ten, Eryl Goulden at eleven, Tom Green at twelve. 196 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: They're both Tier five, Paddy Cripps at Tier five as 197 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: well at thirteen. Tier six is made up of two players, 198 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: Noah Anderson and Kristen Petrarca. That tier is really sort 199 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: of guys with upside compared work to where I've ranked them, 200 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: either upside because of age or upside because they missed 201 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: last year with a lot of injuries. Tier seven, which 202 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: is sixteenth and seventeenth, I've got Jack Steel and Rory 203 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: Lead they're your older inside mint and then closing out 204 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: the top twenty and Tier eight, i've got Sam Walsh 205 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 3: Adam Trelaw, which we may need to talk about Clayton 206 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 3: Oliver and then Chad Warner at twenty one, and that's 207 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: my top eight tied players. 208 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: All right, I'm keen to jump in here and discuss 209 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: a few players. I mean I personally, Yeah, I think 210 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm on board with Patrick. Did you have Tom Green 211 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: quite a bit higher like I did have him? I've 212 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: got him fifth actually my latest rankings. So I just 213 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: don't see many players at GWS able to play inside 214 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: mid and if he just I know, the disposal is 215 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: an issue, but you know, they do have an additional 216 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: package up forward this year for him to deliver to 217 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: as well, so hoping that he can sort of clean 218 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: up a few of those inefficiencies and really make a 219 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: massive jump this season. So I'm I'm kind of on board, 220 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: although I also copped that nasty classic hit last year 221 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: of the five. But we move on, and I've got 222 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: him pretty high in my rankings. Yeah, interested. Also just 223 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: before we quickly moved on there also got LDU really high. 224 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: I think you had him ninth. So but moving on 225 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: to the next bracket and yeah, player's let's discuss a 226 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: couple in there. Obviously, Adam Trelaw at nineteen you haven't 227 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: you said pre show and we now discuss it, but 228 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: you haven't adjusted these yet. Four injuries we've seen. Adam 229 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: Trelaw is going to be out for an extended stretch 230 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: of the preseason and likely the start of the season 231 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: as well. You're going to adjust him down, But how 232 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: far do you think and what do you do with 233 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: these injuries in the preseason. 234 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a tough one. I actually felt like I 235 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: had him low to begin with because of potential injury risks. 236 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: So he was the ninth ranked midfielder last year for 237 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: total points, had a mammoth year, and I just didn't 238 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: even when I had him sitting here at what did 239 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: I have him meant nineteenth? I didn't even think. I 240 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: thought that was a risk, to be honest, but it 241 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: was hard to ignore the numbers. But because I was 242 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 3: worried about his health, he has proven that his health 243 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: is already questionable. So you have to bump him down, 244 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: But I'm not sure how far do you bump him down. 245 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: Is if he's on the board and you're choosing between him, 246 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: Tuck Miller and James Petling, who I have you know 247 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: in the thirties, Are you going to take any of 248 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: those two over him? 249 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: It would be. 250 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: It'd be tough too when you look at the season 251 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: on the whole, because you need Adam trelaw on park 252 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: towards the end of the year when you're pushing for finals, 253 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 3: and he is probably going to outscore those guys when 254 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: he's on the field. The question is can you trust 255 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: his health and so far notes So he probably drops 256 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: from nineteen down to twenty nine for me just off 257 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: the back of that preseason injury, but he is going 258 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: to outperform that on an average basis. It's just how 259 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: often is he going to be on the park. 260 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: I had him that far down even before the injury, 261 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: basically just because I was pre empty an injury because 262 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: he you know, last year was just a massive outlier 263 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: in his career that I didn't think that it was 264 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: something that Wood or could really continue because it's just, 265 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's an outlier and maybe maybe shouldn't be 266 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: counted before him. 267 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Patchricon. 268 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like there's no doubt that these scuse points 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: when he's fit, But how many years has he been 270 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: fit and played that full season? No, especially his age 271 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: and the club that he's at, who knows. The Bevo 272 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: factor also scares me. Sorry, Dussie, you were saying. 273 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: No, I was just saying, on the back of that, 274 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: what are you thinking? 275 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: Like? 276 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Adjustment wise, we can talk about forwards in the Forward Pod. 277 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: There's probably a few relevant names there, but a name 278 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: like Ed Richards, you know, starting to become a name 279 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: in classic circles, even as a potential option. But I 280 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: really like him as a player that could maybe go 281 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and five plus. Where do you see him 282 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: now that with this injury? Like I thought he could 283 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: perform pretty well regardless of the trilaw factor. But does 284 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: this impact him quite a bit? Or is it just 285 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: kind of like he's going to do what he did 286 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: regardless and those possessions might go to some other player 287 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: that will probably be talking about the Forward podcast, I'd. 288 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: Imagine depends on how Luke Beverage is feeling that particular 289 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon Maravel, Like, it's I hate predicting the dog 290 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: so much because Bebo does throw guys around. Richard's proved 291 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: that he was a good center abounds midfielder and a 292 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: good midfielder. But does he get moved to half back? 293 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: Does he move kind of forward? He's versatile enough that 294 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: that worries me a little bit, so I probably wouldn't 295 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: be jumping on him before twenty maybe a little bit 296 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: further up. But he's a good player, good football, should 297 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: be a good scorer. But I just I've got trust 298 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: issues with Luke Beveridge and he's going to have to 299 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: do a lot of work to come to the table 300 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: for us to resolve those issues, and we'll need to 301 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: go through some counseling before that can really I can 302 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: really trust him fully. 303 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: I think Libb is another one that is Probably he's 304 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: a guy that I struggled to fit in because I 305 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: was like, is he gonna keep doing what he did 306 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: last year? Was very good last year when he was 307 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: playing and scored a lot of points. Maybe he gets 308 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: a bit of a bump. You'd hope it's Riley Sanders 309 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: is the one that gets the bump. But literally, as 310 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,359 Speaker 3: you said, Patch, who knows. 311 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: Who knows where? 312 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: You can talk about them in the Fords Pod. Looking 313 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: forward to that. But there's a couple of other injury 314 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: guys here. Sam Walsh of your Blues you're a big 315 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Blues man. Was this factoring in before his hamstring setback 316 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: or was this including no, this. 317 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: Was assuming he would have a preseason injury. When I 318 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: made this, I'm mentally prepared as a Carton supporter to 319 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: get the Samwash notification every year. It's a hamstring, it's 320 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: not his backs broken, so it's a step up from 321 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: last year. Again, I think on an average basis he'll 322 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: outperform that, but at some point he's going to miss 323 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: time during the regular season and as a result he 324 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: gets bumped down to eighteen. 325 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: I think he. 326 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: Is he going to be our I was going to 327 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: say Carton's highest averaging midfielder when he plays, I might 328 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: say that. I think he'll be Carton's highest averaging midfield 329 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: where he plays. I think he'll perform crips and error. 330 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: I just don't know how many games he's going to play. 331 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 3: He's going to miss time at some point. You just 332 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: don't want it to be during your Super Coach Finals. 333 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: The Jaggers Smith slander from you is outrage. 334 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 4: JACKA. 335 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: Smith's going to be playing off half back, so he'll 336 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: probably have a decent eighty five to ninety average year. 337 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: One the latest on Petraca today from Melbourne was that 338 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: he's getting towards full contact trainings. We're still not there yet. 339 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: For those wondering what the update is, there's the full 340 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: yarn up on Code Sports and Harold Son if you're 341 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: intrigued for more. But basically, he's still not in full contact, 342 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: still wearing the no contact hat. So, yeah, do you 343 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: feel like you might move him up if you see 344 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: him in preseason games? You know, if you've got a 345 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: draft after some of those preseason games or you're pretty 346 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: you're still a bit worried, and he's still likely to 347 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: keep him around that mark, even if he's proved to 348 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: be fully fit. 349 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd need to say see him in the preseason 350 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: games because who's he might jump? Noah Anderson, who I've 351 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: got in the same tier. But is he going to 352 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: outperform a Paddy Cripps to Tom Green or an Errol Goulden. Maybe, 353 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: but probably not. I'm pretty comfortable with where he sits 354 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 3: given the question marks over him, and he's not the 355 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: same type of midfielder that a lot of these guys 356 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: are ahead of him. He's more of an impact guy 357 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: than a massive, massive accumulator. I know he can get 358 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: big numbers, but most of these other guys are like 359 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: they're going to get thirty touches every single game no 360 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: matter what, Whereas I feel like he's slightly more impactful, 361 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: so his scoring might be a bit more up and 362 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: down in twenty twenty five than these other guys. So 363 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: I'm pretty comfortable with him. He's ahead of Jack Steele. 364 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: I think we know what Jack Steel is going to 365 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: give us. My question mark over Saint Kilda is Saint 366 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: Kilda and the various additions they've had in Jack McCrae 367 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: and I mean Jack Carroll's not going to come in 368 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 3: and take midfield minutes, but they've added quite a lot 369 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: of depth to that midfield from other clubs, So I 370 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: think he'll just perform how he did last year and 371 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: Rory lad at seventeen. For me, it was the biggest 372 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: question mark because obviously dropped off last year in terms 373 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: of his scoring, but he's always available and there's an 374 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: opportunity that perhaps he goes back to his old half 375 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: back sort of role and allows more midfield time for 376 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: a James Peetling or a Dorson or whatever. So he's 377 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: a bit of an enigma for me because he could 378 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: be anywhere between one hundred and one hundred and fifteen 379 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: this year. 380 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, just on Lair the journo's working over here and 381 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: you can hear them on the Phantoms Lair podcast. But 382 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Sime and Thomas Wilson mentioned just on the show in 383 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: the Midfielder is classic show that, Yeah, he sees Laird 384 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: as he has literally not been training midfield at all 385 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: this preseason, that he's expecting to just be playing as 386 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: a pure defender. So is your ranks kind of yeah, 387 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: him at seventeen, he just scores wherever he plays, is 388 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: my guest. But getting that DPP of defender would just 389 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: been added bonus, I suppose from that perspective electog. 390 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a little bit of that sort of planning 391 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: ahead if you get him, and as the seventeenth midfielder 392 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 3: taken in the in the draft, meaning you've probably got 393 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: one or two ahead of him, you're gonna end up 394 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: with it. And he does play defense a defensive role, 395 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: you're gonna end up with the best defender available, so 396 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: or maybe not including a couple other guys. But if 397 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: you look back at his years in past, he was 398 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: sort of averaging you know, one hundred to one twenty 399 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: in that defensive role and then he moved pure midfield 400 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: and really exploded. 401 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: But he's just going to score. He's just going to score. 402 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: They want the ball in his hands wherever he is, 403 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: and he's done it before, which is a big factor 404 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: for me. So yeah, he might not average what he 405 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: has averaged in terms of those high midfield ceiling numbers again, 406 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: but he could go one hundred and five as a 407 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: defender and that'd be a real win. 408 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably one of the big ones for me 409 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: that I've differentiated quite a bit. Like I've got him. 410 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: I think he'll average in the nineties still, he always 411 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: seems to do that, but I've kind of factored in 412 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: him playing defense. I still think he'll be a valuable 413 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: pick given that he will get likely defensive status, but 414 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: I sort of dropped him down a fair bit because 415 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: I think there's just a lot more mouths to feed 416 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: at Adelaide this year and it's kind of a different 417 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: setup that we're going to see. But that's what that's 418 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: why we're in ranking season. It's all about those projecting 419 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: those scores. One last guy that's been a massive talking 420 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: point in classic. I'll throw to you Patch for this one. 421 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: So Lecdog's got Clayton Oliver at twenty. Where do you 422 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: have him, and where do you see that? Because talk 423 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: about risk, I mean, this guy is probably the biggest 424 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: risk out there, but he could also provide great reward 425 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: if you're getting him as your twentieth best midfielder. 426 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean you look at his history and you 427 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: know that couple of years run of averages for the 428 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: season of one O nine, twenty three, one, twenty seven, 429 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: one twenty before his eighty four last year, Like he 430 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: I've got him ranked nine, and I was worried that 431 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: was a little bit low. Like if he's back to 432 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: his best, then he's a top five supercatch midfielder in 433 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: the competition. And from from everything that we've seen, it 434 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: appears that he's back from you know, the over the 435 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: personal troubles, having a preseason that you know, the preseason 436 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: we dreamed he would have last year. There's I think 437 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: all the signs point to him being back. Whether or 438 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: not that translates to scoring, to him still doing the 439 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: same stuff he did in the midfield is the risk 440 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: we take, and I'm more inclined to take that risk 441 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: this year. If you can get him at pick twenty, incredible, 442 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: But I can't fathom him being there in most drafts 443 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: I'm I'm really Bullis shot him and I've got him 444 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: one spot ahead of Tom Green just based on that. 445 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 2: He So, yeah, what do you think, Dossie. 446 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be one of the great 447 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: talking points because he's locked into everyone's classic team or 448 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: most you know, he's in fifty percent of classic teams. 449 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: But in draft, where does he go is a great question. 450 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: I feel like in some drafts he'll be a really 451 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: valuable pick if he does deliver you know what we 452 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: think he will, And I'm probably on the board of thinking, 453 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's going to push that one ten sort 454 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: of mark. But yeah, he could be completely wrong and 455 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: he could go you know, you could just do what 456 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: he did last year or nineties and you're burning an 457 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: early pick. So I don't know. I'm fascinated. I think, yeah, 458 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: I had him at thirteen. Le's got him twenty, You've 459 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: got him nine. I feel like some people were have 460 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: him fifty, some people will have him third. So he's 461 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: it's going to be a fascinating watch and I'll be 462 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: checking out what his ADP is as the closer we 463 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: get to draft season as well, to just see where 464 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: he is going in some mock drafts. But honestly the 465 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: easiest answer for that is I have no idea where 466 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: where he going to go and also where I'd be 467 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: happy taking him. So despite having him at thirteen, like 468 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: it's always like, am I really can I do it? 469 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: Is the other thing as well, because that's what I 470 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: think he'll do. But come draft night, do I have 471 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: the guts to follow through? And I know I should be, 472 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: but it's going to be a I'll be second guessing myself, 473 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: I think as well. 474 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: So if yeah, I mean part of it is as well, 475 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 2: if you're taking him on the turn, if you're pick ten, 476 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: you can get you know, Clayton Olive a ten and 477 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: then get someone really reliable next to him. If you've 478 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: got like a you know, you want to lean in 479 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: and go with it. You say, elder U's there or 480 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: he Ne's there, or you know, someone said Dunky slip 481 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 2: a little bit. You can take someone really reliable on 482 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: the turn. You probably wouldn't be looking at him, and 483 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 2: you know pick five or pick six, and then you've 484 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 2: got to come back and you're like, oh, Jack Steel 485 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 2: alongside him doesn't feel particularly comfortable. But yeah, I think, yeah, 486 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: I think it'll be very fascinating to see where he and. 487 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: All of these questions of why got him sitting in 488 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 3: Tier eight next to Sam Walsh who question mark over 489 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: his body, Adam Trelaw who before we mate, before I 490 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: made this list, question mark over his body, and then 491 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: Chad Warner, and my question mark over Warner is like, 492 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: I don't know are you are you playing for Freeman 493 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 3: or are you really good? 494 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 4: Are you inconsistent? I'm not sure. 495 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: So Claytonova very squarely falls in my I don't know 496 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: tier and I think all the players ahead of him 497 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: in the tiers above him are a little bit safer 498 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 3: for various reasons. But he's locked into my classic team. 499 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: I hope he scores one hundred and twenty points every 500 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: every single week, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if 501 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 3: he did. 502 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 4: But it is a risk. 503 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: Let's go through the twenty one, sorry, patch. 504 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: Were Oh, I was gonna say the exact same thing. 505 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get through the twenty one to thirty in 506 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: your midfield ranks here, so we know Chad Warner is 507 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: at twenty one, who's at twenty two? 508 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: So twenty two kicks off Tier nine, which consists of 509 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: Darcy Parish, Matt Rowel, Hayden Young, Jian Newcombe, Hugh mcluggage, 510 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: Jordan Dawson and Connor Rosie. And then Tier ten begins. 511 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 3: It starts with Tuck Miller and James Peeling to close 512 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: out the top thirty. Tier ten goes on for a 513 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 3: little while longer. But so to read those names again, Warner, Parish, Raw, Hayden, Young, Newcombe, McCluggage, Dawson, Rosie, 514 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 3: Miller and Peteling. 515 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: All right, where to start with this? I reckon Jordan 516 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: Dawson and Connor Rose. Potentially we could start there, I don't. 517 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: I think I'd probably have Jordan Dawson in my ranks 518 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: quite a bit higher. Came off the one P thirteen 519 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: average the year before, dropped off last year, had a 520 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: bit of a stinker for his standards. I think the 521 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: Crows skipper talk us through the twenty seven rank for 522 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Jordan Dawson. 523 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: Is that just because he traded me to him, traded 524 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: him to me in a in a keeper league? Is that? 525 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: Is that what this is? 526 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: I mean that that might be part of it. I 527 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: did predict the drop off last year slightly again, Jordan Dawson, 528 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: It's that whole Crows midfield setup. Is Jordan Dawson more 529 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: outside than he is inside? Are they using him as 530 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 3: a link up player? Is he the guy winning the ball. 531 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: There's just enough question marks for me that I was 532 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: I dropped him down again. If you had him as 533 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: your third midfielder in your team, you're going to be 534 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 3: really happy if you'd probably be happy if you had 535 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: to miss your second midfinidon team. But there was enough 536 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: question marks raised last year with that one oh two 537 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 3: average that I just wasn't totally sure, Like in twenty 538 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 3: twenty two, the one to ten average, twenty twenty three, 539 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 3: the one sixteen, were. 540 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 4: They the outliers or were the one oh one. 541 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one and one o two and twenty 542 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: twenty four the outliers? I'm not sure I have the 543 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: answers to that in the Crows midfield and as a result, 544 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: he just drops a little bit lower. 545 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: Guessing that Connor ROSEI borderline disrespect is due to the 546 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: injury risk as well, given you do factor that in 547 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: quite heavily. 548 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's part of it. 549 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 3: Rosie was one of my first picked, not last year, 550 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 3: but the year before and that real breakout year where 551 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: he played consistent midfield minutes and scored. I'm just pulling 552 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 3: up his average. He averaged eight in that year, then 553 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: last year dropped to ninety eight across twenty games. Again, 554 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: he's a very versatile player for the for the port 555 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: Adelaide Power. I don't know why I called him the 556 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 3: port Adelaide Power, but he's very versatile. So all the 557 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: guys in that midfield Olie Wines had a bounce back 558 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 3: year last year as well. I feel like that maybe 559 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: he's the one that gets moved around a bit, and. 560 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to knock him. He's slight. 561 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: He's a bit more slight quite a few midfields I 562 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: seem to be beefing up and bulking up a bit 563 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: the last year or two. So yeah, there's just enough 564 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: question marks over him for him to drop down there. Also, like, 565 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: I really like him and he's good, but I don't 566 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: want him in my M one or M two. I 567 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: could probably deal with him as an M three in 568 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: my draft. 569 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: Lake You're always trying to give me potato, trying to 570 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: give me Darty Parish. What is it with you? Why? 571 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: Why is Darcy Parish so high? What is Lake? You 572 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: get him at twenty two, which is extraordinarily high for 573 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: a guy that's also under an injury cloud in his preseason. 574 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: What are you doing? 575 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: I just think he's really neat a Dusty Parish, He's 576 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: to me, he's very He's in that. I look at 577 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: him in a Clayton Oliver in a similar way, and 578 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: it probably helps it. I've got them both in my 579 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: classic team. Darcy Parish's ceiling games are so high. He's 580 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: averaged one eight and twenty twenty three across eighteen games. 581 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: The asterisk is obviously in his availability one hundred and 582 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: eleven and twenty twenty two, one hundred and fourteen and 583 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 3: twenty in twenty twenty one, so he has a scoring ceiling. 584 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: Struggled last year, never got fit. 585 00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: This is it up. 586 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: I'd play for me, and I'm happy to argue that 587 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: he should be lower. But I really like him, and 588 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: I just think I do think he's got another year 589 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: of going one ten in him. 590 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 4: I just don't know when it is. I hope it's 591 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: this year. 592 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Working through a back issue at the moment, Darcy 593 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: Parish is not going to be playing in the practice 594 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: match next week, but they are hopeful that he's going 595 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: to be able to play. 596 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: Who else plays in the midfield for Essendon Zach Merritt, who. 597 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: Else Sammy Durham. The larger sadis. 598 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: Moving moving right along. 599 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: Okay, here's the thing right about a larger status and 600 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: guys like Ben Hobbs and stuff, is that if Parish 601 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: is available and those guys are available, the coaches are 602 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: always going to back in the senior guy to play 603 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: that important midfield roles. 604 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 4: It's just what coaches do. 605 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: So when I went through Essendon's sort of midfield depths, yeah, 606 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: the assumption is for this the Parish is available, he's 607 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: the one who has to score points because Zach Merrick 608 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: can't score any more points than he does. 609 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a world where Parish does go back 610 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: to being one ten. I just I just lost total 611 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: faith in Essendon as a football club in an organization, 612 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: and that's spilled over into fantasy football. 613 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: If he was a Carton player, he'd probably be fortieth. 614 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 3: Because I can't be objective on Carlton. 615 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll agree to be non unable to be objective. 616 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: I want to talk about a few other players now, 617 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: and one I think he's your highest ranked player from Hawthorn, 618 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: I believe, and he comes in at twenty five Giant Nucombe. 619 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: I've gone bullish on him this year. I've got him 620 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: super high in my rankings. I've got him eleventh, so 621 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm going really hard. I've brought this stat out on 622 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: a couple of different podcasts, one hundred and fifteen super 623 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: coach average when the Hawks won last season, I just 624 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: think they'll win more game and I think he's generally 625 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: a driving force in that. In that so, I know 626 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: that will Day missed a few of his bigger games 627 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: last year when he did pop off. But yeah, just 628 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't really that's just kind of I want to 629 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: just mention that I'm pretty high on him. But I 630 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: also wanted to talk about Will Day, who's circling some 631 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: fantasy super coach discussion at the moment, and will Day's 632 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: fair bit. I don't even know he's way down in 633 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: your rankings. I had him a little bit higher, but 634 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: maybe talk about because I can see here he's forty 635 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: ninth in your rankings, which maybe catches people off guard. 636 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 4: It does so dry Nukham. 637 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: I think he's going to be really good as well. 638 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily agree that Hawthorne A is going to 639 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: win a lot more games. I think he'll be the 640 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: highest averaging midfielder for Hawthorne this year. I just don't know. 641 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: I think he's a bit up and down right, So 642 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: he'll score games in the sixties, he'll score games in 643 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 3: the one sixties, and I'm not sure that his game 644 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: has a really consistent base within it with how he plays, 645 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 3: so I'm happy to have that inconsistency a bit lower. 646 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 3: I don't mind if you personally have have Jian yucomhah. 647 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 3: I think that's fantastic. Thank you Will Day is an 648 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: interesting one where he kind of reminds me, I'm gonna 649 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: whatever you can clip this. He kind of reminds me 650 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 3: of Bailey Smith in that we all think he's good, 651 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: and we all think he's good at super Coach, but 652 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: actually he's only had a little bit where he was 653 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 3: actually decent at super coach, Like he's had one season 654 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 3: where he was actually super coach relevant. 655 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three. 656 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: I traded him in and used him as a loophole 657 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: and a game he had to buy, and then he 658 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: averaged one hundred and ten or whatever after that. But anyway, 659 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, he averaged ninety seven. Last year across 660 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: six ams he averaged the ninety one. I just I 661 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: think he's a very nice looking player. I just don't 662 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: know that he's actually that good in terms of super coach. 663 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 3: Very similar to Bailey Smith when he's mid only he's 664 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: actually never done anything worth a note. 665 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: Huge huge call there by Lecdog might have to clip that, 666 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: as you say, left. 667 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 3: You just clip me saying he's never done anything of note. 668 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 3: That'll get him listening. 669 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand he's had a few elite patches though, 670 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: and yeah, I suppose it's probably the more promise that 671 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: he can keep delivering on that and avoid injury concerns 672 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: which have sort of hampered that consistency as well. Any 673 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: final players you want to discuss, Patch, and then I 674 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: think we'll each pick a sleeper and then we'll round 675 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: out this pod. Of course, as I've said, you can 676 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: check out the full top one hundred of Leftdog, including 677 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: positional tiers on Code Sports. Go check that out. We'll 678 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: put some links out there as well for that. But Patch, 679 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: any final thoughts on the ranks. 680 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: My final question is about the I'm going to sneak 681 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 2: outside the thirty we're only talking about the thirty on 682 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: this pod, but I do want to question that we've 683 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 2: got access to legs top fifty here. Tim Taranto at 684 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: thirty one intrigues me lack as a little little teaser 685 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: for the audience to give. You give him an extra pick? 686 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: Can you talk me through Toronto? Obviously? You know you've 687 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: got the kind of his body being held together with 688 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 2: gaffer tape and the pro of him playing for possibly 689 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: the worst team to ever play Australians football, Like how 690 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: taught me through how that's all all come together well. 691 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three he was the sixteenth best player 692 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: in Super Coach and last year was the two hundred 693 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: and thirteenth best player in Super Coach. 694 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 2: The duality you tell me where to put him? 695 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's if he's on the park and he's playing, 696 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 3: he's going to be good because someone has to score 697 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 3: points at Richmond. Is there going to be any incentive 698 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: towards the end of the year if he does have 699 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: a niggle to play him again? Him in this tier 700 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 3: of guys, that's kind of like high ceiling. How many 701 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 3: games are they going to play? It's your Matt Crouch's 702 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: your Tim Taranto's and I've got James Peetling and Tuck 703 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 3: Miller at the top of that tier ten, just above 704 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 3: Tim Taranto. And while they might score less per game 705 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 3: than him, I believe that they will play significantly more 706 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 3: football than him in twenty twenty five. 707 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: Do you want to do your Petling spiel? I know 708 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: you love James Peteling. Do you want to go on? 709 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: Just give I'm keen to hear it. 710 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: Get the soapbox out, Give us a minute of James 711 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: Petling love. 712 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 4: Look, everyone who. 713 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 3: Is a draft player has been watching Peteling flounder in 714 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: the doldrons of GWS, playing a sub, coming on for 715 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: minutes at a time, getting subbed off. But at the 716 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 3: games when he did get unleashed, and in the VFL 717 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: or the equivalent, I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's 718 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: been the VFL the whole time he's been at GWS. 719 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: He just dominated as just a midfield beast. He's been 720 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 3: sent to Adelaide. He's going to be unlocked. He's pushed 721 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 3: Rory Laird out of the midfield. Laird one of the 722 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: greatest midfield as Adelaide's ever seen. From a super coach perspective, 723 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 3: has been pushed out for this guy. Look, I think 724 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 3: his floor is like a ninety five and he plays 725 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 3: twenty three games, but I actually think I think he can. 726 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 4: Crack triple digits. 727 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: And I'll let the mathematicians tell you how he did 728 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 3: when he wasn't subbed, but I can tell you as 729 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 3: an owner in several super coach draft leagues last year, 730 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 3: he was really bloody good. 731 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: WELLI that was a good take. Love that from James Petling. 732 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having him in, having a lot 733 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: of stock in him around the place, so it'd be 734 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: interesting to see where he does land in draft. Another 735 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: player that's got a lot of buzz in classic circles. 736 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: So will that mean that he goes higher in draft 737 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: than you'd be willing to take him. It'll be interesting 738 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: to see where that lands on draft day. Let's go 739 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: through each pick. We're going to pick a sleeper, so 740 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: a player that we think we can pick quite late 741 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: in drafts that's really not being discussed too much at 742 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: the moment, and a player that we think will be 743 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: great value your sleeper first lek dog if you will. 744 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was struggling to split them. I'm going to 745 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 3: do a sneaky and give you two, but I'll give 746 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: you my really. So these are two Carton players. I 747 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: have him in my top fifty. Midfield. One's Adam Cherer, 748 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 3: who I think is going to have his best season 749 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 3: for Carlton, but I do think there's going to be 750 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 3: hype about him with Sam Walsh's injury and stuff, so 751 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 3: I actually think he'll go earlier. But Blake Acres, for me, 752 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: is a guy that I think is going to be 753 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 3: really underrepresented in draft and I think he's going to 754 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 3: provide bad value. So he's not just a winger at Carlton. 755 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 3: He also spent a hell of a lot of time 756 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 3: behind the ball, being sort of a defensive relief and 757 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 3: delivering the ball sort of further up the ground. With 758 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 3: Nick Newman going down, his question marks over who's going 759 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 3: to be that sort of supportive can't and play in 760 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 3: midfielder that goes back and supports. 761 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 4: I think it just. 762 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 3: Enhances his opportunity to do that, takes an intercept, marks 763 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 3: distribute from the back line, and last year you wouldn't 764 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 3: know it, but he averaged ninety three points a game 765 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 3: last year eighty eight the year before. I think he's 766 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: just going to be a really solid back end sort 767 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 3: of guy that gives you value in your midfield. 768 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: That is a big old sleeper. Blake Cakes loved Thatchy. 769 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: Who have you got for us? 770 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 2: I'm struggling. I'm also struggling to split because I like 771 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: talking about lots of different players, and sleepers are where 772 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 2: it's really fun to talk about. These players you can 773 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, your Tom Greens and he Isaac Handy. 774 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 2: Still the cows come home. But geez, I love sinking 775 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 2: my teeth into guys that are just completely irrelevant to 776 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: ninety percent of the people that play fantasy football. And 777 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 2: it's three guys. We've spoken a bit about Ruy Laird 778 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: where they can go back and they you know, might 779 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: pick up defense eligibility. So I've got three of them. 780 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm kind of keen on being Jase Bergoy and Ollie 781 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: Hollins And I hate that I'm saying this, But Dylan 782 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: Shiel come on down. 783 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 4: Oh and you flamed me for Darcy Parrish. 784 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not paying. I'm not taking Dylan Shield at 785 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 2: twenty two. I'm taking him at two hundred and twenty 786 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 2: two in the draft. Yeah, all of these guys are 787 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: kind of playing in the back line. Jays Bergoing, I 788 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 2: think is a really really good player, and you know 789 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 2: they should look at dragging him back and using him 790 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: a fair bit out of the back line. Dylan Shield, 791 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 2: for some ungodly reason, has been given the keys to 792 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 2: the half back line and I hate it. But it'll 793 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 2: score points. It'll in the same way that Nick Martin 794 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 2: frustrated me last year but still scored points still, and 795 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 2: Shield will do it. And Ollie Hollins, well, I don't know, maybe. 796 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 3: Maybe he's just need he's currently as of right now, 797 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 3: if your start of the season, he's currently Nick Newman's replacement. 798 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, I suspect that might shift one time the 799 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 3: season stars, but right now and Jays Bergan is a 800 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 3: great shout. I actually thought he was going to be 801 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 3: I was looking for him in the rankings when I 802 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 3: was making this, I was actually looking him for him 803 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 3: in the defense. Didn't realize he was going to be 804 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 3: mid only he was a favorite of the Waiver Wire 805 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 3: article last year. I expect a big year from young Jays. 806 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 3: I think that's a great chout. 807 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, you're gonna, yeah, you're willing to sort of, 808 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: I guess it's not draft capital. We're talking about sleepers, 809 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: but guys that don't actually have the status that you 810 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: probably want to play them in though that you're. 811 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 2: Willing to as bench of pickers they get. 812 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I loved by the way. I do 813 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: love jays Berger and I think even if he plays 814 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: just midfield as a wing, he could put up some 815 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: big numbers as a wingman. He's just class. I've got 816 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: a player that is midfield only but was actually a 817 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: forward eligible player last year. Certainly under the radar from 818 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: what I've seen, but there's been a bit of buzz 819 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: coming from the club socials. If anything, Tom Powell at 820 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: North Melbourne, George Wardlow has gone down with that Hammy. 821 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: I personally don't think Luke Parker is going to have 822 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: as big as say in the midfield as people maybe 823 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: are thinking at all. You know, what's what's the purpose 824 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: of putting a thirty three year old player into the 825 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: midfield when you're rebuilding and you're trying to develop the 826 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: core young group. Tom Power coming in last year when 827 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: he had fifty percent plus cbas he averaged ninety three, 828 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: I think he's own His average last year was a 829 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: flat eighty. I think maybe we just see a bit 830 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: more midfield exposure this year and him taking the next step. 831 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: We saw him have some massive games last year when 832 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 1: he was given the opportunity. So like again, we're talking 833 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: about a guy that I think you'll be able to 834 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: get pretty late in drafts and a guy that could 835 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: start the season, especially being part of the core midfield 836 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: unit at North Melbourne. So that is my sleep at 837 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: tom Power. 838 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 3: I think I think you'd hope if you're running North 839 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 3: Melbourne that Luke Parker is playing twenty eighty percent forward 840 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,240 Speaker 3: and Tom Powell's playing the inverse of that. I would 841 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 3: hope as a North Melbourne fan that they those are 842 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 3: the two that are sort of flipping with each other. 843 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 3: But then again, coaches like to play their veterans in 844 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 3: the positions of value. But yes, I think that's a 845 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 3: decent shot. 846 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. But as someone that's invested 847 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 2: significant draft capital in keeper leagues and in redraft leagues 848 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 2: into Tom Powell and being burnt flat fifty is how 849 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 2: I describe me checking his score most weeks whenever I 850 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: had him as opposed to his midfield split, it's I 851 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: want him to be good. I love him. He's got 852 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 2: great Union numbers. He'll be a good midfielder if they 853 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 2: let him loose. But it just have been burnt so 854 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 2: many times before by Tom Powell. 855 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a midfield that has a lot of depth now, 856 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: which I'll concede as well. He could he could simply 857 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: just not you know, be in the midfield and be 858 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: playing bit part roles around the ground, which would certainly 859 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 1: not make me interested. But he's a preseason watch He 860 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,959 Speaker 1: might rise, he might fall on my on my watch list. 861 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: But if I'm taking him with a very late pick 862 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: in the draft, I'd be happy snaffling him up and 863 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: hoping and seeing if he does pop, especially early in 864 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: the season when you know there isn't going to be 865 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: that George Wardlaw in the lineup. All right, Well, that 866 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: was the top thirty midfield ranks. Thank you very much 867 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: Lekdog for sharing those with us. You can see the 868 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: full list on Code Sports. As we have said a 869 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: few times, so go check that out. I will put 870 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: it in the show notes as well linked to that. 871 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, just go check it out on Code Sports 872 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: and we will see you for the next rankings. We're 873 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: going to be talking rucks, so probably a little bit 874 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: of a shorter episode for the rucks you'd imagine, but 875 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: thanks for listening to Drafted. We will see that