1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Six weeks ago, hardly anyone had ever heard of Pauline Hanson. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Between nineteen now, she's the name in just about every 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: radio bulletin every television newscast and newspaper. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: I'm not there to keep the bastards honest. 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 3: I'm there to get rid of the bastards. When Pauline 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: Hansen was at the previous peak of her political popularity 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 3: in the late nineties, one journalist was there chronicling it. 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 4: We could see that the cult was real. I'll never 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 4: forget going to a little town in final of Queensland 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 4: called Milanda, and the entire town turned up. There were 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: men there who said, un could you please autograph my 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 4: arm so I can tattoo it. 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: Margot Kingston followed Hanson on the ninety eight campaign trail 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: and has followed her career ever since, pulled in even 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: when she wanted to walk away. So what do Pauline 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: Hanson's beginnings tell us about her future and what are 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: the parallels between nineteen ninety six and twenty twenty six. 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 3: I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven AM today. 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: Margot Kingston and what Pauline Hanson has come to represent 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: and how she's using her past to fashion her present. 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: It's Wednesday, July fifteenth. Margo, Hello, and welcome to seven Am. 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: Hello Ruby, it's fantastic to have you on the show. 24 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: And the reason I wanted to speak with you is, 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: I think because for a whole lot of people in Australia, 26 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: including me, you're one of the first names that comes 27 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: to mind when you think about people who've spent time 28 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: with Pauline Hanson. I wondered if you could begin by 29 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: just taking me back to when you first became aware 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: of her. Of Pauline Hanson the politician. 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: Well, obviously, the first time I was aware of her, 32 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: I was on the bus with Keating in the ninety 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: ninety sixth election campaign and there was a huge brewhoha 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: of a racism because some Nats a call talked about 35 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: dewogging ceremonies and you know, really nasty stuff, and John 36 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 4: Howard said, well, look that's the NATS, that's their problem. 37 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: And then Pauling Hanson wrote a letter to the local 38 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,559 Speaker 4: paper making various derogatory comments about Aborigines, and the push 39 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 4: was on, and John Howard disindorsed. 40 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 5: We felt that she couldn't carry the Liberal better having 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,279 Speaker 5: made those remarks and with the my support the Queensland 42 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 5: Party organization, which through her indoorsment. 43 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: Do you regret now making sweeping generalizations like Aborigines are 44 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: a privileged class? 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: Now I said, they receive privileges that other people don't 46 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: receive because of their because they're Aboriginal, and which is true, 47 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: and you cannot deny that. 48 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: And on the night of the election she got the 49 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: biggest swing in the nation in a safe Labor seat. 50 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: And I was schiff staffed at the Sydney Morning Herald bureau. 51 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 4: She was isolated, No one talked to her. She basically 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: didn't even attend question time. And then that huge pole 53 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: came in the middle of the Queensland election in March 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, and it showed that she was doing really, 55 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: really well. 56 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 6: Something extraordinary happened in Queensland yesterday. A woman who just 57 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 6: a week ago the Prime Minister called deranged changed the 58 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 6: face of Australian politics. 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: At the Queensland elections. 60 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party took around twenty five percent 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 6: into the boat. Do we nine possibly ten seats leaving 62 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 6: the final at so all of. 63 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: A sudden she came into her own and sort of 64 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: paraded down the press gallery corridor, and then the Herald said, 65 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 4: all right, Margot, go down and do an interview with it, 66 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 4: because you've got to take it seriously now. So I 67 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: wandered down during question time. She's sitting on her own 68 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: reading a newspaper, and I said, oh, could I interview 69 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 4: you about what would take to support a minority national 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: part of government in Queensland And she said, oh, well, 71 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 4: you've got to you know, anything goes on guns and 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 4: abolish native title. And I'm writing it all down and 73 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: at the end she said, Margo, I know you think 74 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 4: differently to me, but I like you because you say 75 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: it to my face. 76 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 3: And I've been watching a lot of the footage from 77 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: the nineties again a Pauline Hanson that's sort of the 78 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: peak of her popularity, opening One Nation branches across the country, 79 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: the kind of flurry of a tension that surrounded her, 80 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: and I think one of the things that struck me 81 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: was how similar a lot of what she was saying 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: back then is to what we're hearing today. A lot 83 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: of the kind of rhetoric, a lot of the lines. 84 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: The fact that so much of what she says hasn't 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: kind of fundamentally changed. 86 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: You see, I'm trying to say, let's clean up our 87 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: own backyard and look after own here before we worry 88 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: about everyone else. I also believe clean up our own 89 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: backyard first, and when I can put a roof over 90 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: the people's heads, put food on the table for our 91 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: restrained people, and not see the sport. 92 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: But I wondered what you thought in terms of the 93 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: kind of support she enjoyed then and how it compares 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: to the support she enjoys now, and what parallels you 95 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: see politically between those moments in time. 96 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: Well, one nation was very new, but they weren't organized 97 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 4: at all. So the whole thing was a mess. 98 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 6: To me. 99 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: The thing that transformed her from a failed candidate to 100 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 4: a rolled goal celebrity really an archetype, and Australian archetype, 101 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: is that jailing two thousand and three. She's jailed for 102 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: some sort of fraudulent registration electoral Her party. Tony Abbott 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 4: was instrumental in getting that to happen. 104 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: He said, he set up the slash one. He said 105 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: we had to stop one nation. 106 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 4: You don't like this man. 107 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: Heaven helped this country, if Tony Abbott is ever in 108 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: control of it. 109 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 4: I did test the man and I was doing the 110 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: Cidney Moony Herald's web diary then and it was just amazing. 111 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: Left and right came together and say, f that that 112 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: is not fair the big party to get away with everything. 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 4: They're destroying the small party. And you have her going 114 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: to jail, that was televised. She comes out, she's got 115 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: no makeup on, she looks devastated. She was put on 116 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: suicide watch. Became archetypal, didn't it. Pauline Hanson walked out 117 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 4: of Brisbane Women's Prison on Thursday, not only a free woman, 118 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: but cleared of those devastating fraud charges. Just is still. 119 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: And from there she went to Dancing with the Stars. 120 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: She did it. This is your life. She started doing 121 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: a weekly seven sunrise and she became a celebrity. 122 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's had a dramatic makeover and she is here 123 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: right in the studio on studio Tanneth Pauline Hanson. 124 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: Everyone. So when the time came in twenty fifteen for 125 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: her to come back after you know how many God 126 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: knows how many failed attempts. She was known and the 127 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: story was known, and she was just liked, and that 128 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: meant she was mainstreamed. But the interesting thing about twenty 129 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: fifteen is that no one in the mainstream media or 130 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: anywhere else really thought that she had a chance after 131 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: so many go so she got no publicity. But she 132 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: brought in James Ashby and she ran a Facebook campaign 133 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: and it was brilliant and she got back in. So 134 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: when you say she hasn't changed, she hasn't changed in 135 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: the sense that she is a work away up worker, 136 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: fingers to the bone small businesswoman. But it is a 137 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: how do I put it, a very narrow small business mind, 138 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 4: which is I made it. You either make it or 139 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 4: you fall over. There's no actual empathy for people who 140 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: haven't been able to make it or have who have issues. 141 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 4: And that of course came across in the press club. 142 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: The bloke in the corner store is productive. Does he 143 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: get subsidies? I speak to struggling farmers everywhere. Do they 144 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: get subsidies? Does the young twenty five year old going 145 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: out on his own starting up a business, does he 146 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: get subsidies? 147 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: But no, And I think you know we're all going 148 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: how come she got eight percent in twenty twenty five, 149 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: and now it's like whoa. And the main thing I 150 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: can think of is the social media. She is absolutely 151 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: all over social media. She's got a very very strong 152 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: presence that the movie Once upon a Time in so 153 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 4: called Australia, our culture war tall the nation apart and 154 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 4: somehow you're left East one. 155 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 5: Nic should know. 156 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: I'm the Prime Minister Holbo and of course Gina the big, 157 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 4: big money. 158 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the difference Gina Reinhart and her money 159 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: is making, because it does seem like one Nation, despite 160 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: its chaos, is a more professional outfit this time around. 161 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: It's a better funded. It's opening branches across the country. 162 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: Well, she gave a clue at the press club. When 163 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: she came back, she decided she wouldn't have any branches 164 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: because they were filled with extremists. I wonder why. But 165 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 4: she's decided now since twenty twenty five that she's going 166 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: to have branches, and she's got new people in who 167 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 4: have They've disbanded whatever branches were, and they've got new 168 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 4: branches that are very tightly controlled. One of the many 169 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 4: incredible scoops that Sarah Martin has written for The Guardian 170 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 4: is that in April I sent out a memo to 171 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: all the branches saying, you're under a gag order NDA's 172 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: non disclosure agreements. If you're unhappy and leave no branch 173 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: social media, no one talks to the media. My opinion 174 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 4: about that press club thing, you go, why on earth 175 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 4: would you do that? My belief is that she did 176 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: that so she can say, be there, done that, and 177 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: she will refuse to have a traveling media pack. And 178 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: the reason she will refuse is that she doesn't read, 179 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: she doesn't understand policy. She is still the same in 180 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 4: terms of the mindset, and she cannot cope with any 181 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 4: scrutiny of policy. 182 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: Do you think that that matters less now than it 183 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: did in the nineties. 184 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 4: If she can exclude the accountability media. Of course, in 185 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, she knew that she needed us as 186 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: much as we needed her. Now she knows she doesn't 187 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: need us. So it is an enormous challenge for the 188 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: accountability media about how to cover her. So I think 189 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: this is a revolutionary moment. The time has now come 190 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: when social media is such, and the tribes are such, 191 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 4: and the bubbles such, and the algorithms are such where 192 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: our place in the democracy is under threat, and it 193 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: is our duty to meet that threat with with creativity. 194 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: We're going to have to find a way next to 195 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: the due election to have some form of collective action 196 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: to be able to properly scrutinize her. 197 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: Still to come, Can one nation exist without Pauline Hanson. 198 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: Margo? 199 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: There are a lot of opinions on one nation's popularity 200 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: right now. The polls went right up, they've gone down 201 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: now a little. But the first real world test of 202 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: one nation is going to be in Victoria in a 203 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: couple of months' time. So what is your feeling on 204 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: where this is headed? 205 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 4: Isn't it interesting? In ninety ninety eight, the Age didn't 206 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: cover her basically because they said, look, our readers just 207 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 4: you know, they don't they don't want to know about her, 208 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: et cetera. And she polled at two or three percent. 209 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 4: Now why is she polling so strongly in Victoria? Doesn't 210 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: take much to work out that the Labor government is 211 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: tired and hopeless, and that the Liberal party, you know, 212 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 4: which probably should have won the last election of the 213 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 4: one before, is just riven by internal disputes. You know, 214 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 4: the two major parties are both hopeless. I went to 215 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: a one Nation meeting in tari in my seat of Line, 216 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: which is very rural and just right for the picking. 217 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: But the whole thing was organized around a ten minute 218 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 4: video of Pauline set to Unstoppable, which focuses for the 219 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: first five minutes on the jailing. It's so important the jailing. 220 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: Here is a woman who got jailed for her beliefs 221 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: and has come back. And then a speech via a 222 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: lady who I think will be the candidate, who did 223 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 4: a very long speech about the vision. The vision was 224 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: basically as Pauline said in the video, let's go back 225 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 4: to the seventies when we were all happy. And I 226 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 4: thought like, okay, yes, the system is broken a bit. 227 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: Neoliberalism has called enormous inequality. If people can't afford to 228 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 4: own their own home, If the Australian dreamed dies, people 229 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: are going to get pretty pissed off, aren't they. So 230 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: I said, well, the only way that the main parties 231 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: can count of this is to have a vision of 232 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: their own, which means they admit there are problems, they 233 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: come up with the vision, and they come up with 234 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: the plan that can take everyone around. But the fact 235 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: is that neither major party has done anything about housing 236 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 4: for what two decades, there's been a collapse in social housing, 237 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: Like the government used to build houses for poor people 238 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 4: doesn't do it anymore. You know, Like I think, I 239 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: think that people are very, very upset and they're screaming again, 240 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: and the question is how does one how do the 241 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: major parties respond to that scream? 242 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: So do you think she stands? I mean, do you 243 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: think she could be prime minister? Do you think that's 244 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: a possibility? 245 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 6: No? 246 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: No, I think I think most Australians take a good 247 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: look and think no. 248 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: I mean, one nation could get a lot of seats. 249 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: They might not form government, but they they seemed likely 250 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: to be a significant force in the next parliament. 251 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: Well, she could be opposition leader on the current holy 252 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 4: and you know, people forget like back after her maiden speech, 253 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: you know, the Swamp Bay Asian and everything. There was 254 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: enormous pushback from the region, huge it was threatening our 255 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: trade relationship with Asia, and John Howard after you know, 256 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: saying oh I shouldn't say, would you like s free 257 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: speech blabblah, then gave a big speech when things got 258 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: so hot, saying she is wrong to say that she 259 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: is wrong to say that because we live in Asia. 260 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: The country to our north, which is huge, is Muslim. 261 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: You know, if you've got an opposition leader who says 262 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: there's no such thing as a good Muslim like this, 263 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: it's incredibly dangerous, even as opposition leader, even in a 264 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 4: coalition as the junior partner, it is extremely dangerous for 265 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: our future. I think there is there is a reasonable 266 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: chance that she would form a coalition in opposition. And 267 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: the other insight, which I've sort of come into my 268 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: head a bit later, is this is going to have 269 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: to be this next one a grassroots campaign. I just 270 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: think that the on the bus stuff doesn't work anymore. 271 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 4: People see through the stage management. Guess what Angus is 272 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: doing over the winter break. He's going grassroots to community halls, 273 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 4: to town meetings, to small business forums to listen. You know, 274 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 4: it's begun. This will be a grassroots campaign and it 275 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 4: will be wild. And I just hope that the accountability 276 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 4: MEETI is up to it right. 277 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: And when it comes to accountability, Hanson has been under 278 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: some scrutiny from a few outlets, especially around one nation's finances. 279 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 3: But looking ahead, it's interesting because her personal brand is 280 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: so entwined with One Nation's political brand. She's the only 281 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: successful politician to do that if you discount Clive Palmer, 282 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: which I think we can, and I think that speaks 283 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: to a couple of things. It speaks to her longevity 284 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: and political life, but it also speaks to this moment 285 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: in time. She is Australia's most successful personality politician and 286 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: she is using any attack on her to further that 287 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: personal political brand. 288 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: I am firmly of the view that pulling Hanson is 289 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: one Nation, and that one Nation is nothing without her. 290 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 4: She left One Nation a couple of times over the 291 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 4: decades and they were nothing. It really is cult like. 292 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 4: It is sort of Trump like in that way, and 293 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 4: it is incredibly important to the success of Pauline Hanson's 294 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 4: One Nation to my mind, that she is protected from 295 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 4: policy scrutiny, as was shown at the Press Club. It's 296 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 4: all very well her banning the ABC, but Barnaby goes on, 297 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 4: everyone else goes on, you know, like, it is crucially 298 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: important that her image is protected and if she falls, 299 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 4: I believe one nation falls. 300 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: Magot, thank you so much for your time, Treasure. Also 301 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 3: in the news, violence against Women and Girls again in 302 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: the spotlight after four alleged murders in four days. Lavanna Chapper, 303 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: Jana Armstrong, Laila Jeffrey and a seventeen year old young 304 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: girl were all killed in separate incidents last week. Layla, 305 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: the youngest, was just thirteen. A sixteen year old boy 306 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: has been charged with her murder. Three men known to 307 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: the other victims have also been charged with murder, and 308 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: the oil price has risen by more than ten percent 309 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: as the US and Iran continue to trade blows in 310 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: the Middle East. The White House has now formalized its 311 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: re engagement in the war in Iran, as Donald Trump 312 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: announced the US was reinstating its blockade of the Strait 313 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: of Hermus Experts warn the renewed tensions could see Australian 314 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: petrol prices rise. 315 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 4: I'm Ruby Jones. 316 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: This is seven AM. 317 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: Thanks listening.