WEBVTT - Sharri | 10 March

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening tonight, the first criminal charge for the phrase

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<v Speaker 2>that Zionists are terrorists? Well, what will this mean for

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<v Speaker 2>other anti Israel activists like Clementine Ford who claimed Zionists

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<v Speaker 2>are depraved monsters? My report in a moment also on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, the Tale of Two Leaders, with Dutton's response

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<v Speaker 2>to cyclone Alfred showing up. The Prime Minister Steve Price

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<v Speaker 2>and Cameron Milner will be here to discuss plus under

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezy government, Australians are paying more income tax than

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<v Speaker 2>ever before and government spending at a record high due

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<v Speaker 2>to Sloan would join me and police claim anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't behind the caravan packed with explosives. We'll let police

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<v Speaker 2>know who's behind the attack. Then why haven't they made

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<v Speaker 2>any arrests? That's coming up tonight. Police begin to lay

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<v Speaker 2>charges over those who attack Zionists, which we know is

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<v Speaker 2>code for Jews. One of the leaders of the pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian rallies in Melbourne, controversial figure Hashtaya, has been charged

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<v Speaker 2>by police. He was first arrested last year over alleged

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<v Speaker 2>incitement of hatred against Jewish people, but he wasn't charged

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<v Speaker 2>and then on Friday, Victorian police charged him with offensive

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<v Speaker 2>remarks at Palestinian rallies under the Victorian Summary Offenses Act.

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<v Speaker 2>He's facing four counts of using insulting words in public.

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<v Speaker 2>The Age reported that Taya, who's become a prominent leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the protests movement after the Hamas attacks in Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and October seven, repeatedly said all Zionists are terrorists. The

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<v Speaker 2>punishment is up to two months in prison for a

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<v Speaker 2>first offense and six months for three or more offenses.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is big news. It's the first charge for

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<v Speaker 2>the phrase all Zionists are terrorists. And here was Hashtaya

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<v Speaker 2>spreading this dangerous message at a rally where the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>ate it up and repeated the hateful chant.

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<v Speaker 3>And I say it loudly, and I say it proudly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating because we haven't seen charges like this before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very welcome move by Victorian police, and it

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<v Speaker 2>raises the question if there should be an offense enabling

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<v Speaker 2>others to be charged for similar conduct on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Take Clementine Ford for example. Here's what she said in

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<v Speaker 2>an Instagram post just last week, and I'm quoting Zionism

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<v Speaker 2>is terrorism and Nazism. All Zionists are Nazi and terrorist supporters.

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<v Speaker 2>Their denial of this makes them dishonest. Supporting Israel is

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<v Speaker 2>incompatible with humanity and human rights, and because Zionism is

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<v Speaker 2>a supremacy movement, Zionists also flatter themselves that they're the

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<v Speaker 2>most moral people on earth. They're not. They're depraved, empathy

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<v Speaker 2>free monsters, and history will remember them with the disgust

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<v Speaker 2>they deserve. Well, does Clementine Ford realize how depraved this

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<v Speaker 2>is to accuse people who support a Jewish homeland be

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<v Speaker 2>included a homeland set up after the Holocaust as Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>to suggest that supporting Israel set up as a supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>safe haven for Jews after the inhumane atrocities inflicted upon

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<v Speaker 2>them as incompatible with humanity. To describe Zionists and that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the people slaughtered by her muscle October seven were.

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<v Speaker 2>To describe Zionists as terrorists, and Clementine Ford describes us

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<v Speaker 2>as having no empathy. The moral contortions required to make

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<v Speaker 2>such statements are sickening. But that comment by Clementine Ford

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a one off. She's previously said that Zionists can't

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<v Speaker 2>be victims of anything.

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<v Speaker 4>There is no realm in which Israel is the victim

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<v Speaker 4>of anything, And there is no realm in which Israelis,

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<v Speaker 4>or people who defend Israel, or Zionists anywhere, are the

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<v Speaker 4>victims of anything but their own greed.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Israelis who were kidnapped and slaughtered on October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>including babies and children. So is she saying they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>really the victims, then, really, this is disgraceful, It's despicable.

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<v Speaker 2>Clementine Forward has also said, and I quote, Zionists will

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<v Speaker 2>be blocked. I don't let Nazis on my platform, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of those that she's blocked, presumably because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a Jew who supports Israel. Then there's also Randa abdel Fatar,

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<v Speaker 2>who's set on social media that Zionists have no right

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<v Speaker 2>to cultural safety. It is the duty of those who

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<v Speaker 2>oppose racism, misogyny, homophobia and all forms of oppressive harm

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure that every space Zionists enter is culturally unsafe

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<v Speaker 2>for them. And the Australian has reported that both Clementine

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<v Speaker 2>Ford and Randa ab el Fatar were among those who

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<v Speaker 2>sent their social media followers a link to the personal

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<v Speaker 2>details of Jewish creatives from a WhatsApp group doxing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's now widely accepted that attacks on Zionists are equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>to attacks on Jews. Alex Rifchin said, to declare that

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<v Speaker 2>all Zionists are terrorists is not only an attack on

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<v Speaker 2>the notion of Jewish equality, it's an attack on virtually

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<v Speaker 2>every Jew that supports it. Zion In Victoria's Zeddi Lawrence said,

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<v Speaker 2>given the overwhelming majority of Jews in Victoria, Australia, and

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<v Speaker 2>indeed the world, would identify as Zionists, but smirching the

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<v Speaker 2>latter is akin to painting a target on the former

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<v Speaker 2>and even Federal Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, who is clearly

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<v Speaker 2>no friend of us at Sky said, and I quote

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<v Speaker 2>the label Zionist is used not in any way accurately.

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<v Speaker 2>When use that word, they actually mean Jew. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>really saying Zionist. They're saying Jew because they know that

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<v Speaker 2>they cannot say Jew, so they say Zionist or words

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<v Speaker 2>such as Zeo or Zio. So if we accept what

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<v Speaker 2>Dreyfus says that jew and Zionists are interchangeable, then look

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<v Speaker 2>at that. Clementine Ford post again Zionism is terrorism and Nazism.

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<v Speaker 2>Zionists also flatter themselves that they're the most moral people

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<v Speaker 2>on earth. They're not. They're depraved, empathy free monsters, and

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<v Speaker 2>history will remember them with the disgust they deserve. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>clearly this is encouraging hatred against Jews who support Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have to be very clear and direct

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<v Speaker 2>about this. By making these stayments in public, she's perpetuating

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<v Speaker 2>hatred against Jews here in Australia. She's perpetuating antagonism towards Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>She's dehumanizing Jews who support Israel by saying we can't

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<v Speaker 2>be victims of anything. We're depraved and where empathy free

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<v Speaker 2>monsters who deserve discussed. In my opinion, she seems to

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<v Speaker 2>hold such hatred towards Jews who support Israel that she

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<v Speaker 2>should not be given a platform at mainstream festivals. How

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<v Speaker 2>can these events embrace Clementine Ford? Just as she ostracizes

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<v Speaker 2>Zionists from her social media, so she should be denied

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<v Speaker 2>these important public platforms to spew her hateful views. And worryingly,

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<v Speaker 2>she has a very large following two hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand on Facebook and two hundred and thirty eight thousand

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram. If her followers are led by her, they

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<v Speaker 2>too will hate Jews who support Israel, which, as I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>is the majority of Jews. This is e roading social cohesion.

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<v Speaker 2>Clementine Ford is objectionable, objectionable and ugly in every sense

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<v Speaker 2>of the word. If Hashtaya has been charged for his

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<v Speaker 2>offensive comments about Zionists in public, then there should be

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<v Speaker 2>an offense for those using the Internet to say exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing, because we shouldn't have to put up

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<v Speaker 2>with this prejudice and hatred any longer.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>What we've seen over the weekend is a tale of

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<v Speaker 2>two leaders, one who spend every day in the flood

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<v Speaker 2>zone and the other who flew to Canberra to escape

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<v Speaker 2>the storm. Opposition Peter Darton stood with his community and

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<v Speaker 2>all Australians who were caught in the wild weather. He

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<v Speaker 2>bunkered down at his home where he's now trapped by

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<v Speaker 2>rising floodwaters.

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<v Speaker 6>Hopefully it received quickly that at the moment feel trapped

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<v Speaker 6>at home, including ourselves. Fortunately our house is fine, but

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<v Speaker 6>the water's up over our front gate, so that's the

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<v Speaker 6>reality at the moment, and the emergency service workers accounts

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<v Speaker 6>of workers are doing an amazing job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet Albansi couldn't get away fast enough. Instead of standing

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<v Speaker 2>with Australians, he flew out of Queensland and was in

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<v Speaker 2>Canberra by early Friday morning. And that's where he likes

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<v Speaker 2>it best, in the luxury of the lodge and the

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<v Speaker 2>protection of the camera bubble. After flip flopping on the

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<v Speaker 2>election date, Albanzi reluctantly agreed it wouldn't be a good

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<v Speaker 2>idea to call the election on a weekend of flooding

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<v Speaker 2>in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 7>I said repeatedly this week, my focus is on the

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<v Speaker 7>lives of Australians, the risk that Alfred represents to people

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<v Speaker 7>in southeast Queensland and in northern New South Wales, not

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<v Speaker 7>on votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a contrast Albansy and Dutton, one who sticks with

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<v Speaker 2>Australians as they weather the storm, the other who escapes.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just Dutton, other politicians knew instinctively what

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<v Speaker 2>was required of them at this time of crisis. New

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<v Speaker 2>Southwes Premier Chris min spent the weekend in the flood zones,

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<v Speaker 2>visiting Tweed and Lisbon, and spoke to Paul Murray last

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<v Speaker 2>night I.

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<v Speaker 8>Think it's been a privilege to be here amongst emergency

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<v Speaker 8>service workers as well as the local community. They're really tough,

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<v Speaker 8>incredibly resilient people and they've been through Helen back over

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<v Speaker 8>the last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>And Treasurer Jim Chalmers also dug in helping with soundbagging

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<v Speaker 2>and local recovery efforts I checked out.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't mind it.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Albanesi is so tone deaf that it took

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<v Speaker 2>charmers telling him that it wouldn't be a good idea

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<v Speaker 2>to call the election when Queenslanders and those in northern

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales were suffering. As Clanelle reported.

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<v Speaker 3>The Treasurer, I understand, was one of the voices telling

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<v Speaker 3>the PM that given the cyclone, they should hold a

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<v Speaker 3>May election and they should have a budget. The PM

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<v Speaker 3>then confirmed a May election on the ABC on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Night, and so they'll now likely be a budget before

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<v Speaker 2>the election, which will be held on May third, the

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<v Speaker 2>tenth of the seventeenth. Now Albanzi didn't want to hand

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<v Speaker 2>down a budget, he wasn't planning on having a budget,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they'll have to scramble to cobble one together

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<v Speaker 2>in time. All of Albanese's dithering. The election timing has

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<v Speaker 2>meant that the economics team have been left in the lurch.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason the Albanese government was reluctant to have

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<v Speaker 2>a budget, it's because their pre election narrative relies on

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<v Speaker 2>the surflaces they've delivered and that will end now. There

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<v Speaker 2>won't be a surflace in this budget. It won't be

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty set of economic projections. It will show the

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<v Speaker 2>extent of their policy costings and political spending at a

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<v Speaker 2>time when the inflation battle is not yet over. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to speak with Judah Sloan about that a

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<v Speaker 2>bit later in the show. But Newspault today is still

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<v Speaker 2>pointing to either a minority government for Liberal or Labor,

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<v Speaker 2>and simonvents In reports that neither side is in a

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<v Speaker 2>position currently on these numbers to form a majority government.

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<v Speaker 2>Well with this polling, the later election date is advantageous

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<v Speaker 2>to Peter Dutton. The longer election gives him more time

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<v Speaker 2>to campaign and it gives new Liberal candidates more time

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<v Speaker 2>to do knock voters. This will help in seats like

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<v Speaker 2>cou Yong, where emili A Hamer hopes to knock off

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<v Speaker 2>Minique Ryan, and in Wentworth where Roe Knox is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to raise her profile to defeat a legraspender. But irrespective

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<v Speaker 2>of today's news poll, Australians can all see that Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>is weak and ineffective. He's not leadership material. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of the most indecisive and insipit prime ministers

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<v Speaker 2>our country has ever had. He can't even make up

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<v Speaker 2>his mind about when to go to the polls now.

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<v Speaker 2>A profile piece on Tanya Plibasek over the weekend even

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<v Speaker 2>includes this extraordinary comment from a Labor insider who said,

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<v Speaker 2>compared to Tanya, Albo comes across as an ineffectual buffoon.

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<v Speaker 2>He's weak, he's arrogant, he can't handle critic and he's

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<v Speaker 2>not connecting with the electorate to the point where Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 2>of all people, could win the election. Albo's been a disaster,

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<v Speaker 2>a disaster indeed, and that's from a Labor insider. And

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<v Speaker 2>Pleversek in this piece praised Jim Chalmer's job in the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was asked about Labour's electoral prospects, she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Labor has a very good story to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>We've turned the economy around. We've got high jobs numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got growing wages, we've got falling inflation, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>falling interest rates, we've cut taxes, we're helping with the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living, she enthuses. So this is praise for

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<v Speaker 2>Jim chalmers work, not alban Eazi's. And I've always thought

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<v Speaker 2>there could be a future Plibask Charmer's ticket. It just

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<v Speaker 2>depends on who the leader is and who the deputy is.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that profile piece was headlined Tanya Plubisek,

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<v Speaker 2>why isn't she prime minute stuff? So this shows the

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<v Speaker 2>level of dissatisfaction inside the Labor government towards Albanzi. No

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<v Speaker 2>one in labor thinks Albanese is doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>And if Labor losers, they'll blame him and him alone,

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<v Speaker 2>And if they win or Tony Burke will be there

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<v Speaker 2>before long with the metaphoric pitchfok trying to tear down

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<v Speaker 2>Albanese's leadership. All right, let's get reaction to this with

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<v Speaker 2>tonight's Pano Australia, The Australian's chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers

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<v Speaker 2>and Sky News host Steve Price. Welcome to you both, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that? I mean, it really

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<v Speaker 2>was in my mind, a picture of two leaders over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I don't think anyone's surprised about the attitude of

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<v Speaker 9>the Australian public toward Anthony Albanesium And I think you

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<v Speaker 9>put it to absolutely correctly. I mean, he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 9>how to be a leader now. When he took over

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<v Speaker 9>the Labor Party and when he eventually got to become

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<v Speaker 9>Prime Minister, I think a lot of people hope that

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<v Speaker 9>he would be the type of leader that we wanted.

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<v Speaker 9>But he's turned out to be. And history has a

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<v Speaker 9>remarkable and I'm interested in Jeffy on this, it has

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<v Speaker 9>a remarkable way of repeating itself. I was looking up

0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.960
<v Speaker 9>the results in the twenty thirteen federal election today to

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<v Speaker 9>write a column about exactly what you're talking about. Shari

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<v Speaker 9>and Tony Abbott won eighteen seats and Kevin Rudd was

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<v Speaker 9>seen as the comeback kid. But he was not liked.

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<v Speaker 9>He was not warmly embraced by the majority of Australians.

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<v Speaker 9>He might have been in two thousand and seven, but

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<v Speaker 9>by twenty thirteen we'd all had enough for Kevin Rudd.

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<v Speaker 9>We wanted him out of the joint, we wanted him

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<v Speaker 9>gone and watching people, you know, charmers filling up sandbags.

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<v Speaker 9>Reminded me of the time that Kevin Rudd tried to

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<v Speaker 9>do it. And so we've got here. I think history

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<v Speaker 9>repeating itself. Ken Peter Dutton win eighteen seats. It's yet

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<v Speaker 9>to be seen, but it's eerily like it was back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really interesting. I mean, Jeff the newspole in

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<v Speaker 2>your paper today, if this applied nationally, it's only a

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<v Speaker 2>three percent three percent swing against Labor, which is around

0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.480
<v Speaker 2>seven lost seats. But we know the polls were wildly

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<v Speaker 2>wrong in the US election with Trump and Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, we could be looking at a hung parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I think all the polls are

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<v Speaker 2>showing that vote to see Albanesi as weak. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how in this climate they vote someone they see

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<v Speaker 2>as weak. Back in Jeff Chambers, what do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think, Hi, Sharry. So we're going to see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of movements up and down, and the News poll actually

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<v Speaker 1>matches what I'm hearing from the major parties in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of their internal tracking polling. So there's been some recovery

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<v Speaker 1>for Anthony Albernezi, but it's from a very low bar,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's still deeply unpopular. They're still on track to

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<v Speaker 1>form a minority government and the challenge now out for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a few unknowns because they were so set

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<v Speaker 1>in stone. From Albanese's perspective on April twelve is how

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.560
<v Speaker 1>do they execute this budget and how do they perform

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<v Speaker 1>in the campaign. And on the flip side of that,

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<v Speaker 1>for Peter Darton is just to be presenting a vision

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<v Speaker 1>that is a vision that will sell to the voter

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<v Speaker 1>that they are ready to govern and that they do

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<v Speaker 1>have the experience and obviously their catchphrase will be are

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<v Speaker 1>you better off now than you were in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two and that things need to be put back on track.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you know, you read the polls week

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<v Speaker 1>to week, whether it's economic indicators or things happening globally,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're going to see some movement up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, it's still a pretty poor position for

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Albanezi.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's have a look at and

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I'm going to come back to Newspoll

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<v Speaker 2>later on my show and I've got Cameron Milne and

0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Carswell, so we will stick with the politics in

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<v Speaker 2>this hour. But now let's have a look at what

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump said about Malcolm Turbull on social media today.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the remark. He said, Malcolm Turbule, the former Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister of Australia, who was always leading that wonderful country

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<v Speaker 2>from behind, never understood what was going on in China,

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<v Speaker 2>nor did he have the capacity to do so. I

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<v Speaker 2>always thought he was a weak and ineffective leader, and

0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 2>obviously Australians agreed with me. Now it's possible that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was responding to an interview that Malcolm Turbull did with Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 2>He had this to say about Trump's tariffs.

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<v Speaker 10>And if this triggers a global wave of protectionism around

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<v Speaker 10>the world, and you know, that's clearly going to be

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<v Speaker 10>bad for business everywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>Trump seems to have a view that America can prosper

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<v Speaker 10>at the expense of everybody else. But that's not going

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<v Speaker 10>to work. It appears that the more dependent you are

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<v Speaker 10>on the United States, the closer you are to the

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<v Speaker 10>United States, the more he feels he can extract value

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.520
<v Speaker 10>from you. You know, stand over you extortship. I mean,

0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.119
<v Speaker 10>look at the business with Greenland, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, it looks like Malcolm Turbull might have made it

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<v Speaker 2>even less likely that Trump gives Australia a tariff exemption.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Look, Donald Trump summed up Malcolm Turnbull perfectly. It's exactly

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<v Speaker 9>what I thought about him for years, and the Australian

0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 9>public voted him out for that same reason. I mean,

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 9>Malcolm always thinks he's the smartest bloke in the room.

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<v Speaker 9>Just ask Jeff Field, Jenny. Malcolm always thought he was

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<v Speaker 9>the smartest bloke going around. Trump's come out, Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>he's a week week leader, a week leader, alright, he

0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 9>was a week leader in the Australian public. I just

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.920
<v Speaker 9>mentioned Tony Abbott winning eighteen seats. Malcolm managed to lose

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 9>seventeen of those when he went to the election after

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:55.040
<v Speaker 9>knocking Abo off. So look, we don't need this bickering.

0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.440
<v Speaker 9>I mean, Turnbull has hit out again tonight. He's done

0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.960
<v Speaker 9>an interview somewhere and he's doubled down on it, which

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.200
<v Speaker 9>Malcolm would you know, predictably would do and it would

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<v Speaker 9>have just I reckon. Chari brewis the termal ego slightly

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 9>to have the most powerful man in the world talking

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.360
<v Speaker 9>about him in such disparaging ways, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he'd love the fact that he's noticed him. But

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, Jeff I had a report last week on

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<v Speaker 2>the show that Albanezy hasn't even been able to get

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump on the phone. The tariffs are now due

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<v Speaker 2>to take effect in two days time. Turnbull certainly hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>helped the case.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And Malcolm Turnbull famously loves the limelight. There's some

0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:40.880
<v Speaker 1>former pms that chase it and others who don't, and

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Turnbull obviously enjoys this type of intervention. But as

0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:49.119
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about, Thursday Australian time is when the

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.879
<v Speaker 1>steel and aluminium tariffs are due to hit. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>Penny Wong first, then Richard Miles and then Jim Chalmers

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<v Speaker 1>all head to the States. It's not looking likely and

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.159
<v Speaker 1>the government is saying that internally they're actually concerned about

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>other tariffs that might be coming down the line. So

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, a few days out, you know, Malcolm Turnble

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.879
<v Speaker 1>pops up, gets gets the linelight. I think he would

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:19.639
<v Speaker 1>like that response. But on China just quickly a bit unfounded,

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>because you know, Malcolm turn would to give him a

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.959
<v Speaker 1>little bit of credit. He was an early mover on China.

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 1>He banned Huawei. He put in those those tough foreign

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.879
<v Speaker 1>interference laws that Beijing railed against, and the US and

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Five Eyes actually followed us on that. So just to

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>add a bit of balance there for Malcolm Turnbull, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice of you, Jeff, I do I.

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<v Speaker 9>Do record worry about balance, Gift, don't worry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in camera at the time and James Patterson,

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Andrew ha C Peter Dutton were behind a lot of

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>those moves. All right, let's talk now about this update

0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 2>from the AFP and New South Wales Police this afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>relating to the caravan that was found with explosives. Now,

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the AFP say the plot was fabricated. It was likely

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>to be a con job designed for police to find it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>Today, I can reveal that the caravan was never going

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.719
<v Speaker 11>to cause a mass casualty event, but instead was concocted

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:18.160
<v Speaker 11>by criminals who wanted to cause fear for personal benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>Now news others police today, So in the same day

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 2>as that press conference, they say that they've made fourteen arrests,

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 2>arrested fourteen people and laid forty nine charges. But yet

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 2>they say that none of them were related to the

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>caravan or those behind it. Here's what Alex Riftin had

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>to say.

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<v Speaker 12>We now have the involvement of organized crime packing caravans

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<v Speaker 12>with explosives, referring to Jewish targets and antisemitic content for

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 12>some bewildering reason which isn't really been made clear to

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 12>the public. So I think this will give little comfort

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 12>to the community, and if anything, it adds a dose

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.160
<v Speaker 12>of terror and uncertainty to what's already very volatile situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Price, I have to say I thought this press

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>conference was very strange. It muddy the waters between those

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>arrests made this morning and the caravan, and they also revealed,

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>as Alex just referred to, that there's organized crime involved.

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<v Speaker 2>So if they know who's behind it, they say they

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 2>those people aren't behind it, aren't Ati Semitic, So why

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>haven't they made these arrests yet. There's a lot of

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>unanswered questions here.

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 9>This whole saga from day one has been I think

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 9>dogged by the fact that no one's really wanted to

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:38.160
<v Speaker 9>talk about the detail. And when you saw that news

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 9>break today and the police press conference was well, the

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 9>caravan was never going to be used in a mass

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 9>bomb attack. The moment the investigation from day one went quiet.

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 9>I think everybody thought it was very odd and very strange,

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 9>and I think the public now deserves some sort of explanation.

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I know there's now fourteen people facing charges

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 9>and we've got to be careful about what we say,

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 9>but it just biggest belief about how this is all unfolded.

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 9>And they seem to suggest the police in that same

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 9>media conference that these organized crime figures are behind all

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 9>of the firebombings and the anti Semitic graffiti, and I

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 9>just find that extremely difficult to believe. To be honest,

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 9>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Very strange, very strange. And if those fourteen people arrested,

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 2>if that wasn't about you know, if that wasn't related

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to the caravan, well what was it for. I can't

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>work out why we weren't told that information. Let's stick

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.959
<v Speaker 2>with this story. I'll say goodbye to you both, Jeff Chambers,

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Steve Price, thank you both very much for your time,

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>and let's stick with this story and bring in the

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 2>reporter who has been covering it for us at Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Bradley joins me. Now, Julia, thank you for your time. Look,

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>we've just been talking about how police have said organized

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.880
<v Speaker 2>crime is behind this, but yet they haven't made arrest

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>in relation to those responsible the caravan plot, and this

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>was something the police were asked about at the press

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>conference today.

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<v Speaker 11>They were Shahi. So we did hear the AFP this

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 11>afternoon say that no fresh arrests have been made in

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 11>relation to this Operation Kissinger, which, as you say, is

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 11>that investigation looking specifically at this caravan bomb plot in

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 11>dural in Sydney's northwest back in January. No fresh arrests

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 11>made in relation to this, but the AFP Deputy Commissioner

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 11>wanting to reveal more what she believes, what the force

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 11>believes or alleges are the motivations behind this. So as

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 11>you've been talking about in that panel, just there believing

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 11>that it's an individual or individuals essentially masterminding this plot

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 11>where they've got links to organized crime and they're directing

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 11>local criminals on the ground to buy caravan, fill it

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 11>with explosives and that anti Semitic note listing Jewish sites.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 11>But the suggestion today, the allegation today is that this

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 11>has been done for personal gain, whether this person or

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 11>people want to change their criminal status or perhaps shorten

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 11>their prison sentence, for example, in exchange for information that

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 11>they'd handover in relation to this. So that allegation being

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 11>put to the public today and the press today, but

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 11>we don't have fresh arrests in relation to this investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have to say, I think it was one

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 2>of the worst press conferences I've seen because instead of

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 2>giving the reassurance that they claim they wanted to give,

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>they just left more questions unanswered. You know, they were asked,

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>are the perpetrators here or overseas? They may be offshore,

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>they may be here and you know here was the

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 2>New Southerweld's Deputy Police Commissioner David Hudson this afternoon, saying

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that no arrests had been made relating to the caravan

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>have a look.

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<v Speaker 13>Striffle's Pearl has charged twenty nine individuals for a title

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 13>of one hundred and twenty seven charges. Additionally, Operation Kissinger

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 13>engaged in overt activity in conjunction with officers from the

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 13>Australian Federal Police in the form of two search warrants

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 13>and three fiarm Prohibition Order searches. Well. Since activity has

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 13>not resulted in any arrests, it has provided valuable evidence

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 13>to progress the investigation which is ongoing.

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>So again, Julia, we just don't know what those fought

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in arrests Understrike Boss Perl so relating most likely to antisemitism.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know exactly what they were for.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we don't.

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<v Speaker 11>So we don't know what incidents these individuals were allegedly

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 11>involved in. That is the cohort who were arrested today

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 11>as part of these raids. We know that eleven search

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 11>warrants were executed, fourteen people arrested, and it's believed that

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 11>there will then be forty nine charges to flow from that.

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 11>But we don't know what exactly which exactly should I

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 11>say incidents they are alleged to have taken our party in.

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<v Speaker 11>All we know is that this is under Strikeforce Pearl,

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<v Speaker 11>so looking at those more serious anti Semitic incidents that

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 11>have taken place here in Sydney. Now, same as that

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 11>suggestion regarding that caravan bomb plot, was the suggestion here

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 11>as well that this was organized crime links motivated by

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 11>personal reasons. Already though this really being seized upon by

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 11>our federal politicians. Immigration Minister Tony Burke speaking about this

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 11>this afternoon a tit for tat with Shadow Home Affairs

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 11>Minister James Patterson over these revelations today as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Julia Bradley, really appreciate your update on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And again in relation to the organized crime, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>say which criminal gangs, how serious they are? I mean,

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>are these dangerous figures terrorizing the Jewish community in the

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>eastern suburbs. You know, more questions than answers, and it's

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>highly worrying right still to come. Why candidates and dumping

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the labor red to distance themselves from alban easy, some

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>even adopting blue on their campaign material. Plus record taxes

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and record government spending. Judicae Sloan will take us through

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>how bad she thinks the budget will be. That's after

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<v Speaker 2>this quick break, welcome back. Well, the Albenezi government was

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>planning to trumpet two surpluses this election campaign, but that

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>isn't going to work because the budget is likely to

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<v Speaker 2>show a string of deficits and the extent of Labour's

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>cash slash. For more on this, I'm joined by the

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<v Speaker 2>Australians contributing Economics editor Judah Sloan. Judith, great to see

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<v Speaker 2>you again. Look, how bad are you expecting the deficits?

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<v Speaker 2>In this budget to be.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, hello Chara, look, I think the deficit for this

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 14>financial u is actually going to be slightly smaller than

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 14>was predicted in the May budget and my EFO for

0:31:55.080 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 14>that matter, because the income tax revenue is just absolutely

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 14>spurting in because of bracket creep. So we've got, as

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 14>you know, low unemployment, high employment, and therefore you're getting

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 14>a lot of revenue from income tax and also commodity prices.

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 14>That's softened a little bit, but they've held out. So

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<v Speaker 14>in many ways, Jim Chalmers is the luckiest treasurer that.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Ever there was. But he's allowed, he's allowed.

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<v Speaker 14>The revenue to burn a hole in his pocket, and

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<v Speaker 14>he's spent up enormously, like over one hundred billion dollars

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 14>extra in the space of three years. Unbelievable. We're now

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 14>heading to federal government spending of eight hundred billion dollars.

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 14>I remember when it used to be four hundred billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 14>so it's absolutely extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was actually going to ask you about both

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of those points next, So let's show everyone the graphs.

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Let's show round the actual figures here. So this is

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the personal income tax. So just three years ago there

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>was two hundred and fifty five billion dollars collected by

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the federal government personal income tax. So we are all

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>paying thirty eight percent more in personal income tax now

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty two billion. And then again the

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 2>spending figures that you were just speaking about, thirty percent

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>rise in federal government spending on average. So due to Sloan,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at how Australia compares with other countries

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>around the world, we have among the highest personal income

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>tax rates globally. Is this I mean, you know many

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 2>people are playing paying close to fifty percent of their

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>salary in tax. Do you think this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately there should be reform on.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, absolutely, but you're not going to get any reform,

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<v Speaker 14>certainly not in the next month.

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<v Speaker 2>For example.

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<v Speaker 14>This is a this is a government that is completely

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 14>committed to tax and spend. There is no notion of

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 14>what you'd call physical responsibility or seeking to repair the budget.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 14>What will happen is that the gross and net government

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 14>debt will increase. The gross debt's now sort of edging

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 14>towards the trillion dollar mark. Now it's interesting that a

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 14>lot of countries are very bad at this too, but

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 14>let's think about this Australia as a small, open economy,

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 14>so we can actually afford less in terms of being

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 14>bad at budget management than some of the bigger countries,

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 14>particularly the US, which has its own currency and numeror currency.

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 14>So I think, you know, it was two thousand and

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 14>nineteen we were sort of still worried about debt and deficit.

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 14>Then we kind of forgot about it during COVID and maybe.

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 2>There was a degree of.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 14>There was a reason for that, but now we seem

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 14>to have never sort of regained the important thing, the

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 14>import and principles of managing a budget and having some

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 14>guidelines to guide that.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 2>And you remember when Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey tried

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 2>to tell us all that there was a budget emergency,

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the situations so much worse now, just

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the budget preparation. The federal government wasn't

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 2>expecting to have to hand down a budget budget. You know,

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>the economic meetings had been counseled. How much of a

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 2>scramble will this be for officials?

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 9>Now?

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<v Speaker 14>Look, I think there are always two parts of the

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 14>preparation that kind of you know, the routine part that

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 14>will have gone ahead. They will have had to kind

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 14>of work on the basis if we're not sure whether

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 14>or not this is going ahead.

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 2>So that's all right.

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 14>It's this sort of last minute decision making and the

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 14>last minute figures in terms of the four cars what

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.839
<v Speaker 14>they I mean, one of the political conundrums is this

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 14>that if they make lot of announcements about new measures

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 14>in the budget, so that's say twenty fifth March, and

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 14>then the election is beginning of May, you know, it's

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 14>a lot of time for no new announcements, right, So

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 14>it's actually I think quite a political problem, which is

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 14>why they always wanted April twelve and why they didn't

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 14>want this budget.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't forget Shari.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 14>It also gives the opposition a bit of a time

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 14>to shine too, because there's a budget and reply speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap, indeed, all right, Judor Sloan, always appreciate your analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Now, coming up, Donald Trump says he's finding

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 2>it easier to deal with Russia than Ukraine. What does

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 2>this mean for Zelenski plus Murray? What's disgraceful attack on Dutton? Well,

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Albneasy didn't even bother to stand with Australians under siege

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.919
<v Speaker 2>from Alfred that's with Kama Milner and Adrea Carswell after

0:36:55.960 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 2>this quick break, joining me now as always on a

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Monday our Political panel, former Press Secretary to Scott Morrison,

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Carswell and former chief of staff to Bill Shorton

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and former Queensland State Director Cara Milina. Great to see

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 2>you both. Look, let's have a look at this attack

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>by Murray Watt. He slammed Dutton for leaving Queensland even

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 2>though Albert Easy was in can Bro the whole weekend.

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Here he was.

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<v Speaker 15>You saw that he jetted off to a fundraiser at

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 15>Sydney Harbourside this week when his own community was actually

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 15>trying to get prepared for this event. So he was

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 15>filling Liberal Party money bags while his own community was

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 15>filling sandbags, which I think says a lot about him.

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Andrew. That fundraising event was four days before Alfred hit

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 2>and alber Easy was not even anywhere near the psycloid.

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 2>This is hypocrisy.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Charie Murray, what's clearly been chosen to be the

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 5>grub in chief for Labor for this election campaign. He's

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 5>very good at that job. He throws the insults left,

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 5>right and center, whether that be against the opposition or

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.280
<v Speaker 5>whether that be other interest groups. It does come across

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 5>as a bit grubby and slimy, but can I say

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 5>it's sometimes it is effective and in this case it

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 5>probably did land a blow for what an event that

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 5>maybe Dunton shouldn't have been at. But there's no doubt

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 5>that this will not be Anthony Avnezi's role and responsibility

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 5>during an election campaign. He'll keep his hands very clean.

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 5>He'll leave the dirt and the smear to people like

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 5>Murray White.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah indeed, Cameron, I mean you're in Queensland. This is

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Brisbane's wettest twenty four hour period since nineteen seventy four.

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>There's been over two hundred and seventy five millimeters recorded

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 2>and it's only the tenth of the month, but it's

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 2>already Brisbane's highest March rainfall in history. So you know,

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 2>the cyclone impact was downgraded, but still a lot of

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 2>flooding and it's been tough, it.

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 16>Has, and a lot of people lost power and a

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 16>lot of people had a lot of storm damage around

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 16>their houses. Local parks flooded, local roads were cut off.

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.359
<v Speaker 16>So unlike Wayne Swan who last Friday said there wasn't

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 16>even a cyclone in Brisbane. I'm sorry Brisbane got hit

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 16>pretty hard southeas Queensland is still being hit hard with flooding,

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 16>so it's a major event. But I don't agree with

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 16>Andrew Carswell before.

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this was an own.

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 16>Goal turning up to billionaire's house in the middle of

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 16>cyclone preparation, where Premier Christop Fooley was saying every single night,

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 16>be prepared, to be prepared. A massive unforced error by

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 16>Peter Dutton and his campaign director Andrew Hurst. Why on

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 16>earth you go to a fundraiser when he should have

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 16>been at the Strathpoint SS filling sandbags. It was a

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.840
<v Speaker 16>no brainer and to go just shows that maybe Dutton

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 16>isn't quite as on his game as he should be.

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was Tuesday last week, wasn't it Tuesday?

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 16>But we were already being asked by We're already being

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 16>asked by Premier Christal Fouley from Sunday previously to prepare

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 16>this cyclone seventeen days to come down the coastline, and.

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Easy wasn't even in the date when the cyclone hit.

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Peter Divan is currently trapped in his home. I mean,

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 2>how can Mary.

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 16>Really bad?

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 12>Look?

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but how can Maray White in all good conscious

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>attack someone who is currently trapped in his house by

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>floodwaters when the prime minister escaped before anything got too difficult,

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 2>it's extraordinary.

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 16>I agree, Murray. What is an attack dog is basically

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 16>being sort of licked and slobbed on. Basically it's not

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 16>very effective. But no, that's fine.

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. Let's have a look at the w

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>A results. So it was very strong for Labor. Now, Andrew,

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 2>what impact do you think that election result will have federally?

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 5>I think, first and foremost people trying to draw an

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 5>equivalence between this result in this state and draw an

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 5>equivalence with Anthony Abnetian how he will go in the

0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 5>federal election are probably getting ahead of themselves. I think

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 5>this is a premier who is very very popular leading

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 5>a government that is very very popular. Anthony Abaneze is

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 5>not popular in the state and nor is his government,

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.760
<v Speaker 5>so seeking that equivalence is probably getting ahead of themselves.

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 5>That there are some good signs for Labor as a

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 5>brand in WA, and there's some negatives for the liberal brand.

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 5>But there are some also some shining lights out of

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 5>that result for the Liberals, particularly in seats that correspond

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 5>with those federal seats where there's eight to ten to

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 5>twelve percent swings in seats that would be the equivalent

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 5>of Pierce for Winkle and others in that zone that

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 5>the Liberal Party would be hoping now that they can

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 5>get a decent result in. But it's the same people

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 5>in Labor that Troian equivalents that don't want to draw

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 5>an equivalence in Victoria. They go, there's no trouble for

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 5>Albanese in Victoria, but that's just a state issue.

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Well would raw, Yeah, no, exactly, good point. And it

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 2>seems that even some labor candidates on some Labor and

0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>ps are trying to steer clear of the traditional Labor

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>red branding. Instead they're using blue, purple, pink, and green,

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 2>basically any other color and in some cases even liberal

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>colors in their campaign material. This is a report in

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the City Morning Herald. Cameron also, some of the male

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>out material doesn't feature the Prime Minister, some even featuring Penny.

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>While god knows why, that surely is a bit of

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>a mistake. But Cameron, this is not a good sign

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 2>when you've got labor candidates not wanting to use red,

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>not wanting to feature the PM. I mean, it just

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>shows how unpopular he is.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, it does, and I think it shows that Labor's

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<v Speaker 16>desperate to do anything else that look what they're looking like,

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<v Speaker 16>which is the Albanese Labor Party. I mean, the ALP

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<v Speaker 16>is the Albanese Labor Party at the federal election. And

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<v Speaker 16>that's a problem because albow is just so weak, so

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<v Speaker 16>weak as prime minister and so weak as a leader.

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<v Speaker 16>They're no wonders candidates want to use any other color

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<v Speaker 16>than the Albanies red.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And it seems Labor insiders are starting to even

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<v Speaker 2>publicly turn on Albanezi Andrew cars While I spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>this earlier in the show, but there was a profile

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<v Speaker 2>piece on Tanya Plibasek on the weekend and in it

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a Labor insider said that compared to Tanya, Albert comes

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<v Speaker 2>across as an ineffectual buffoon. So this is interesting when

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<v Speaker 2>you have these sort of pieces run so close to

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<v Speaker 2>an election.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure what's wrong with that criticism, Shari, but look,

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<v Speaker 5>it just shows that it is a continual battle between

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<v Speaker 5>these two leaders within the Labor Party, and it goes

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<v Speaker 5>back a long time between back to when Tania Pilibisec

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<v Speaker 5>chose Bill Shorten over Abenezi in the in the race

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 5>for it to become leader. So it goes back a

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<v Speaker 5>long way. And Anthony Abenezi has done a lot in

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<v Speaker 5>the last two years to get in the way of

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 5>Tania Piliti sec and her responsibility as environment Minister. He

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 5>basically crucified her her number one signature policy on environmental reform.

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 5>He's getting in the way on sam and as well

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<v Speaker 5>by supporting the salmon industry, which is the right decision

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<v Speaker 5>to do. There's no love lost between these two and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure it will continue on the other side of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Election, Cameron, very quickly, because we've got to go what

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<v Speaker 2>was your take on that?

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<v Speaker 16>Oh, there's Tenure, there's Tony Burke, and there's Jim Chalmers.

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<v Speaker 16>And in twelve months time, they won't be elbow.

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<v Speaker 2>Irrespective of the election outcome, he'll be gone. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>he wins.

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<v Speaker 16>He can't survive the way he's surviving. He's only there

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<v Speaker 16>because the election is only weeks away, not years away.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Cameron Milner Andrew Carswell, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, Now, don't go anywhere. Trump doubles down and

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<v Speaker 2>his criticism of Zelensky in a new Fox News interview

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<v Speaker 2>Koshergada after this break, welcome back. Well, Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>once again criticized Zelenski.

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<v Speaker 17>Here he is, we'll do it very well with the Russia,

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<v Speaker 17>but right now they're bombing the hell out of Ukraine

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 17>and Ukraine I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal

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<v Speaker 17>with Ukraine, and in terms of getting a final settlement,

0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 17>it may be easier dealing with Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring you now. Sky News contributor Koshagata Kosa.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's the game plan here, because it is

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<v Speaker 2>quite concerning to constantly hear Trump criticize the Lenski more

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<v Speaker 2>than Putin. When Putin is the aggressor. He aggress that

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>he did invade Ukraine. Yes, great to be Duchari.

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<v Speaker 18>I think you know, when we keep seeing these drips

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<v Speaker 18>and drabs from Trump whenever he's being interviewed by the media,

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<v Speaker 18>he's just going back to his worldview, which is policy

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<v Speaker 18>and people. And as it relates to policy, he has

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 18>said he wants the war to end. He wants peace,

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<v Speaker 18>even if that means that it may not be fair

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<v Speaker 18>in terms of how it ends with respect to the

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 18>aggressor and the aggressed over here, and he has this

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 18>viewpoint of realism, foreign policy realism, and if we have

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<v Speaker 18>to make concessions and even let the bad actor here

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 18>take something, if that means the word ends, that's sort

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 18>of his view. The other piece of it is people,

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<v Speaker 18>and that's I think what he was alluding to in

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<v Speaker 18>that clip where he does talk about the personalities and

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 18>maybe that's life, that their politics is a combination of

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 18>the actual person at the helm of it. And he

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<v Speaker 18>has not made it any secret that he does find

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 18>Zelenski a little bit of a difficult character and on

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<v Speaker 18>some sympathetic figure, whereas he has alluded to the fact

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<v Speaker 18>that he finds Putin maybe brutal yes, maybe ruthless yes,

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<v Speaker 18>but a rational actor that he can reason with. That's

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 18>sort of what he keeps intimating with those comments. And

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<v Speaker 18>I think he's going to continue to hold ground until

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<v Speaker 18>he can get both parties to the table and affect

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<v Speaker 18>some sort of peace agreement and negotiated settlement, whatever that

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<v Speaker 18>may look like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we spoke about this in the show last week,

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump does see Zelenski, rightly or wrongly, as too

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<v Speaker 2>close to the Democrats, too close to the bidens and

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>that is part of the problem. And I am Miranda

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Devine was on the show and she even mentioned that

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 2>there was this one Ukrainian general who's now an ambassador

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in the UK that Trump or the Trump administration were

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.320
<v Speaker 2>eyeing to replace Zelenski. So we'll see where that goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Canada has a new leader as well. Mark Karney

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 2>dominated his party's ballot to replace Trudeau. He used his

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:29.280
<v Speaker 2>first speech to attack Trump Kosher, how do you see

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 2>this leadership playing out and the relationship between Canada and

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<v Speaker 2>the US.

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<v Speaker 18>You know, it's really interesting because he is the first

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<v Speaker 18>person to become PM in a long time, I think

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.239
<v Speaker 18>it forty years who's not a sitting MP. That's been

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 18>a pretty divided issue in terms of people arguing whether

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 18>that's less democratic or more democratic. But be that as

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 18>in me, he now enjoys the pomp and circumstance and

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 18>the wheat of the office that comes in. He's also

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.320
<v Speaker 18>a former central banker, governor of the Bank of Canada

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<v Speaker 18>and Bank of England, so he's going to rely on

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.800
<v Speaker 18>those bona fides in terms of the trade war and

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 18>how they're going to respond to the Trump administration's tariffs

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<v Speaker 18>and so on. So he's going to do that, and

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 18>I think he's going to be very much well liked

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 18>by the left side of politics in terms of what

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 18>they can actually do to respond to Trump. I'm not

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 18>sure how many new tools in his arsenal he's going

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 18>to have, but he's going to certainly rely on sort

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 18>of more of a central planning aspect probably to subsidizing

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 18>certain sectors of Canada and then deciding how much to

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 18>push back and do counter tariffs on the US and

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:31.720
<v Speaker 18>all of that. And of course they've got an election

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<v Speaker 18>coming up in October or sooner, so it's going to

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 18>be very interesting for the other side from mister Pierre

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<v Speaker 18>Polie to see how he's going to draw greater contrast

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<v Speaker 18>in terms of those strategies and responses to Trump tariffs

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<v Speaker 18>and how that's going to resonate with the Canadian people now.

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<v Speaker 18>So it's certainly added an interesting twist to their elections.

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<v Speaker 2>And Pierre Okay, he's given a lot of strong speeches

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<v Speaker 2>that have you know, we've all noticed around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll see how that goes. All right, Koshagada, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your time tonight and thanks everyone for today. Make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you watch tomorrow Night Big Show, Ray Hadley will be

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<v Speaker 2>on many others. Stay tuned though now poor Marie's up next.