WEBVTT - Credlin | 10 November 0:00:01.940 --> 0:00:07.610 Peter Credlin, live from News 24. 0:00:07.750 --> 0:00:08.290 Good evening. 0:00:08.490 --> 0:00:11.850 Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight on Credlin. Tonight, 0:00:11.890 --> 0:00:15.440 more blame shifting from the Prime Minister, insisting yet again 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:17.799 that it's the war in Iran to blame for your 0:00:17.860 --> 0:00:20.880 high interest rates, all the while backing in the troubled 0:00:20.940 --> 0:00:24.530 Treasurer and even claiming that he doesn't lose his cool. 0:00:25.110 --> 0:00:28.510 The bloke can't lie straight in bed, can he? The 0:00:28.550 --> 0:00:32.010 teenager who researched a mass casualty terror attack at the 0:00:32.070 --> 0:00:36.220 Sydney Opera House walks free, no jail sentence. So why 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.919 did the court go soft? And where's the deterrent for 0:00:40.140 --> 0:00:43.860 other would-be terrorists? Plus the hundreds of thousands of dollars, 0:00:43.900 --> 0:00:48.330 your money, spent on smoking ceremonies ahead of rabbit culls 0:00:48.810 --> 0:00:51.010 on an uninhabited island. 0:00:51.710 --> 0:00:53.790 Honestly, this is bonkers. 0:00:54.610 --> 0:00:56.730 And out on the ground in a must-win seat for 0:00:56.750 --> 0:00:59.050 the Liberals where Labor's very much on the nose with 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.580 voters and people are sick of empty promises and the spin. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.060 We'll catch up with Libby Pettit fighting to win a 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:08.160 seat near Geelong. 0:01:09.900 --> 0:01:11.640 People don't trust politicians anymore. 0:01:11.660 --> 0:01:14.360 They want someone from the community who understands what they're 0:01:14.380 --> 0:01:17.000 going through and to be their voice and to be 0:01:17.020 --> 0:01:20.780 a real voice and use their experience in Parliament to 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:21.740 be a strong voice. 0:01:21.540 --> 0:01:22.180 For the community. 0:01:24.060 --> 0:01:26.539 I love getting out on the campaign trail. I spoke 0:01:26.580 --> 0:01:28.280 to Libby there on the weekend. I'll give you all 0:01:28.300 --> 0:01:32.110 those details in a moment. But first, those headlines today 0:01:32.170 --> 0:01:34.910 that the Coalition has done a preference deal with One 0:01:34.990 --> 0:01:40.140 Nation in Victoria. Well, they're lazy and simplistic, written by 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.820 people who don't understand politics clearly. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.260 And here's why. 0:01:44.980 --> 0:01:49.030 First up, no political party can do any deal on 0:01:49.060 --> 0:01:50.080 your preferences. 0:01:50.530 --> 0:01:51.090 They can't. 0:01:51.630 --> 0:01:55.070 Because in the end, as the voter, you get to 0:01:55.130 --> 0:01:58.450 choose the order in which you number your ballot paper. 0:01:59.010 --> 0:01:59.490 You do. 0:01:59.510 --> 0:02:00.630 You do. 0:02:00.690 --> 0:02:05.510 Not Labor, not Liberal, not One Nation. It's your call 0:02:06.030 --> 0:02:10.620 and yours alone. Now, sure, political parties can make a recommendation, 0:02:10.630 --> 0:02:14.929 and they do, Come polling day, volunteers will thrust a 0:02:14.970 --> 0:02:17.190 piece of paper at you as you walk in to vote. 0:02:17.950 --> 0:02:21.090 It's called the how to vote card, but it's up 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.060 to you whether you follow it or tear it up 0:02:24.419 --> 0:02:25.380 and put it in the bin. 0:02:26.020 --> 0:02:26.960 So that's the first point. 0:02:27.580 --> 0:02:32.079 The second point is about the substance of today's headlines, 0:02:32.620 --> 0:02:35.940 that the Liberals are recommending that voters support One Nation 0:02:36.340 --> 0:02:41.370 ahead of Labor and the Greens. Well, where's the breaking 0:02:41.430 --> 0:02:45.540 news in that? After all, no sane Victorian can want 0:02:45.860 --> 0:02:49.680 more debt, more crime, more corruption and more potholes than 0:02:49.700 --> 0:02:53.370 they've got now. So if you want to change the state, 0:02:53.380 --> 0:02:57.150 you've got to change the government. You have to vote 0:02:57.290 --> 0:03:01.750 Labor out. And to do that, the Liberals, the Nats 0:03:02.290 --> 0:03:05.510 and One Nation, well, all of them have to be 0:03:05.630 --> 0:03:10.750 in front of the Labor candidate in every seat right 0:03:10.930 --> 0:03:15.100 across Victoria. Now, if you think Labor's bad, then you're 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.800 hardly going to want to see any government where the 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.280 Greens hold the balance of power, are you? So none 0:03:21.300 --> 0:03:25.000 of this should come as a shock to anyone. But 0:03:25.020 --> 0:03:28.620 that's the sort of manufactured outrage we saw from the Premier, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:30.810 Ben Carroll, today. 0:03:31.370 --> 0:03:31.820 Here he is. 0:03:32.930 --> 0:03:36.930 Liberal Party have just done a preference deal with the 0:03:36.990 --> 0:03:42.290 most anti-worker party this state has and this nation have 0:03:42.430 --> 0:03:46.630 ever seen. More than 15 times Jess Wilson has said 0:03:46.650 --> 0:03:51.110 there'll be no deals with One Nation. Today the cat 0:03:51.150 --> 0:03:54.529 is out the bag. She has done a deal with 0:03:54.670 --> 0:03:58.770 One Nation that goes to the heart of hurting working people. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:05.500 Now understand what that was all about. This is about 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.430 the Liberals announcing that they will recommend to supporters that 0:04:09.450 --> 0:04:11.910 a Liberal goes at the first spot on the ticket 0:04:12.490 --> 0:04:16.190 and that a One Nation candidate comes next or certainly 0:04:16.250 --> 0:04:19.940 ahead of Labor and the Greens. It's not about what 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:25.480 might happen should Jess Wilson win the election in three weeks' time. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.620 Jess Wilson, what deals have you done with One Nation? 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.910 Is Warren Pickering going to be the Treasurer? in the 0:04:32.970 --> 0:04:34.919 future Wilson Liberal government. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.380 Now that's a straight out Labor lie. It's about the 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.630 how to vote card. That's it. 0:04:43.490 --> 0:04:45.930 But Carol's going hard with the lie and he'll keep 0:04:45.990 --> 0:04:49.560 it up because he's bleeding votes across the board. 0:04:50.410 --> 0:04:50.990 That's right. 0:04:51.029 --> 0:04:55.950 Ever since he rolled Jacinta Allen from Labor's left faction, Carroll, 0:04:56.010 --> 0:05:00.290 who's from the right, is losing hardcore activist votes to 0:05:00.310 --> 0:05:04.859 the Greens and is also losing Labor's sensible working class 0:05:04.940 --> 0:05:08.920 voter to One Nation and to the coalition. So that 0:05:09.060 --> 0:05:11.980 carry on today from Carroll's about trying to lock in 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:16.719 what's left of Labor's dwindling base. And there's not much there, 0:05:16.940 --> 0:05:22.180 is there, if yesterday's poll, which recorded an 18% Labor primary, 0:05:22.580 --> 0:05:27.560 is accurate. And Labor's rank hypocrisy on preferences, let's call 0:05:27.580 --> 0:05:30.669 that out as well, because Labor's in no position to 0:05:30.700 --> 0:05:35.330 lecture anyone about voting recommendations that they make when they 0:05:35.390 --> 0:05:40.590 get into bed every election with the Greens, as they 0:05:40.750 --> 0:05:44.349 are in this election. Labor could barely win a seat 0:05:44.390 --> 0:05:48.110 across the country without Greens preferences. Now, I bet you've 0:05:48.130 --> 0:05:50.349 seen almost as many election nights as I have. And 0:05:50.670 --> 0:05:53.380 how many times have you seen the Liberals win the 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.880 most on primary but lose the seat once the preferences 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:58.920 are distributed. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.210 Now, that's the work of the Greens, because Green. 0:06:03.029 --> 0:06:06.650 Preferences end up in Labor's column 90% of the time. 0:06:07.110 --> 0:06:11.090 Not so for parties on the right. One nation preferences, well, 0:06:11.110 --> 0:06:14.890 they can spray everywhere and anywhere. In some seats, you 0:06:14.910 --> 0:06:18.540 might get one booth return, preferences back to the Liberals 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.160 from one nation about 65% of the time. And you 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.770 might move in the same seat to another booth, and 0:06:24.830 --> 0:06:28.650 find you're lucky to get 50% of those preferences. So 0:06:28.670 --> 0:06:33.390 don't fall for Labor's sanctimony here. Yes, the coalition will 0:06:33.430 --> 0:06:37.210 have a how to vote card with a recommendation for voters. 0:06:37.940 --> 0:06:41.000 But in the end, you, the voter, decide the order 0:06:41.420 --> 0:06:46.420 of your ballot paper. And that's critical too if you 0:06:46.460 --> 0:06:50.800 vote Labor, because this time, inside the privacy of the 0:06:50.860 --> 0:06:55.570 voting booth, this is the election you need to walk 0:06:55.730 --> 0:07:01.330 away from Labor. Vote as though your family's safety depends 0:07:01.430 --> 0:07:11.220 on it, because in Victoria, it absolutely does. A lot 0:07:11.260 --> 0:07:14.140 of you write to me, send me emails about preferences. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.430 I hope that's helping it. We'll keep at it all 0:07:16.470 --> 0:07:19.350 the way through to the 28th of November. Let's get 0:07:19.370 --> 0:07:22.450 the national headlines now with our political reporter, Ruben Spargo. 0:07:23.420 --> 0:07:23.860 Good evening. 0:07:23.980 --> 0:07:27.180 The Albanese government is seeking to legislate new guardrails for 0:07:27.340 --> 0:07:31.739 artificial intelligence in Australia. Six mandatory actions would be enforced 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.540 by a new regulator armed with powers to impose so-called 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.310 significant penalties on tech giants that breach the rules. 0:07:39.700 --> 0:07:42.700 We want to make sure that we continue to work 0:07:43.230 --> 0:07:46.110 so that we can reap the potential benefits from AI, 0:07:47.170 --> 0:07:51.950 boosting productivity, bolstering economic resilience, but we need to ensure 0:07:51.970 --> 0:07:53.230 that we get it right. 0:07:53.670 --> 0:07:57.010 The government has also released recommendations from a rapid review 0:07:57.150 --> 0:08:01.010 into an earlier breach of government databases involving an open 0:08:01.150 --> 0:08:04.070 AI model. The Prime Minister is backing Jim Chalmers to 0:08:04.130 --> 0:08:07.850 remain Treasurer, at least for now. It follows a series 0:08:07.890 --> 0:08:11.030 of leaks targeting the Treasurer, calls for his removal and 0:08:11.090 --> 0:08:15.130 reports of growing tension between the two. Anthony Albanese says 0:08:15.330 --> 0:08:17.850 it's his preference for Jim Chalmers to remain in the 0:08:17.890 --> 0:08:21.120 job through to the next election. The Prime Minister is 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.760 also rejecting suggestions he struggles to control his temper. The 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.700 Liberal Party has pointed to several examples of the Prime 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:34.000 Minister appearing irritated during public exchanges. The Coalition has accused 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.250 you of losing your cool. Do you agree that sometimes 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.210 you lose your cool? 0:08:39.070 --> 0:08:39.370 No. 0:08:39.809 --> 0:08:40.469 Stop, guys. 0:08:40.809 --> 0:08:41.189 Stop. 0:08:44.450 --> 0:08:45.550 Where are my. 0:08:46.850 --> 0:08:47.230 People? 0:08:47.860 --> 0:08:51.010 Australians will decide whether the Prime Minister is telling the 0:08:51.070 --> 0:08:53.920 truth when he says he doesn't lose his cool. 0:08:55.540 --> 0:08:58.480 Where are my people, he says. Let's get into all 0:08:58.500 --> 0:08:59.060 of that with our. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.969 News 24 political editor, Andrew Clennell. The blame game, let's 0:09:03.990 --> 0:09:05.970 start with the economic stuff first. The blame game from 0:09:05.990 --> 0:09:09.730 the PM, Andrew, saying that the RBA's assessment when it 0:09:09.790 --> 0:09:13.210 comes to rate hikes isn't accurate, that it's still all 0:09:13.270 --> 0:09:16.670 about the war in Iran, and also that claim that 0:09:16.730 --> 0:09:20.510 the economy can't go backwards or won't go backwards. 0:09:21.030 --> 0:09:21.930 Here he is today. 0:09:22.690 --> 0:09:28.010 We live in turbulent times. turbulent times with a land 0:09:28.050 --> 0:09:31.690 war that continues in Europe, turbulent times with a war 0:09:32.130 --> 0:09:34.349 and conflict in the Middle East that has had an 0:09:34.429 --> 0:09:38.390 impact on global inflation, that's had an enormous impact on 0:09:38.429 --> 0:09:42.550 cost of living. My government focuses each and every day 0:09:43.070 --> 0:09:47.709 on cost of living, on how we can make a difference. 0:09:49.530 --> 0:09:52.430 OK, that poll out yesterday that only one in five 0:09:52.429 --> 0:09:55.730 voters trust the Prime Minister... Is he going to get 0:09:55.730 --> 0:09:57.020 away with that line? 0:09:57.020 --> 0:10:01.980 Not for too much longer. I mean, if inflation stays up, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.780 and I admit the war has an impact, if the 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.960 war were to suddenly end, they'd have a better chance. 0:10:07.020 --> 0:10:09.770 But if it stays up and they don't make meaningful cuts, 0:10:10.809 --> 0:10:14.370 aren't even being seen to properly attempt to get inflation down, 0:10:15.130 --> 0:10:15.990 they're in all sorts. 0:10:16.090 --> 0:10:16.370 I mean. 0:10:17.210 --> 0:10:19.030 There's just been a hell of a lot of spin 0:10:19.070 --> 0:10:23.110 around this. We've got $ 180 billion worth of savings because 0:10:23.150 --> 0:10:25.860 the size of the budget's gone up 130, even as 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.500 while they say we've saved 180. So I just think, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.520 This is a big test, what happens in December. And 0:10:34.540 --> 0:10:36.320 will the PM even be here? He might be at 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.120 the G20 and Jim Chalmers might deliver at this mid-year statement. 0:10:40.179 --> 0:10:42.540 But they've got to be seen to be trying to 0:10:42.580 --> 0:10:44.380 do something. Now, my mail is they're going to do 0:10:44.420 --> 0:10:47.380 another cost of living relief measure. And it has to 0:10:47.700 --> 0:10:51.180 make sure that it's not inflationary. Well, that's pretty difficult 0:10:51.210 --> 0:10:53.550 to do. Chief of Medicines is probably the only one 0:10:53.570 --> 0:10:56.650 which strictly qualifies on that. But I think that's a 0:10:56.690 --> 0:10:59.750 measure too, given we're mid-term of the trouble that the 0:10:59.770 --> 0:11:03.380 PM knows they're in, Peter, because... otherwise he wouldn't be 0:11:03.420 --> 0:11:08.540 doing some cost of living relief measure now. He would 0:11:09.059 --> 0:11:11.630 wait for the next budget. So, you know, they see 0:11:11.670 --> 0:11:15.250 that number heading to the 20s, the primary vote, and 0:11:15.590 --> 0:11:16.950 as I said to you last week, they don't want 0:11:16.970 --> 0:11:17.790 to get it baked in. 0:11:19.929 --> 0:11:22.679 I know you get the concept of net saving because 0:11:22.700 --> 0:11:25.000 I'm not sure everyone else in the Canberra Gallery does 0:11:25.059 --> 0:11:26.250 because he gets away with it. 0:11:26.660 --> 0:11:30.939 You know, they get up and say we've made, you know, $ 100. 0:11:29.340 --> 0:11:32.880 Billion of savings or $ 80 billion of savings, but when 0:11:32.900 --> 0:11:36.140 they have as much on the spending side of the ledger, 0:11:36.220 --> 0:11:38.340 all they're doing is shifting the money around in columns. 0:11:38.820 --> 0:11:41.970 It's not a true saving, unless it's banked to the 0:11:42.030 --> 0:11:44.520 bottom line. And as Peter Costello said when I spoke 0:11:44.540 --> 0:11:47.160 to him not so long ago, there has been no 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.000 attempt in this government's era to pay back anything in. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.280 Terms of the debt. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.230 We're not even making surplus budgets to have that free 0:11:56.330 --> 0:11:58.350 money or freed. 0:11:58.210 --> 0:11:59.790 Up money, if I could call it that. 0:12:00.190 --> 0:12:02.790 So, you know, we've got my EFO coming in the 0:12:02.809 --> 0:12:05.940 next couple of weeks. Surely someone's got to call this out. 0:12:07.230 --> 0:12:08.929 Yeah, well, they had a couple of surpluses, but that 0:12:08.980 --> 0:12:11.280 was at the very start of the term when inflation 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.939 and mining receipts was helping that along. 0:12:14.059 --> 0:12:16.939 But they didn't pay down debt. 0:12:17.020 --> 0:12:19.140 Costello tells me, and I looked at the numbers, they 0:12:19.179 --> 0:12:20.040 didn't pay down debt. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.240 Well, they hired 45,000 public servants. That's the bottom line. 0:12:23.260 --> 0:12:26.050 Now they say, well, we didn't have as many consultancy contracts, 0:12:27.510 --> 0:12:30.130 but now they're handing out redundancies. I've had two ministers 0:12:30.190 --> 0:12:33.050 in two days on Tell me that. Tanya Plibersek today 0:12:33.110 --> 0:12:35.770 told me she'd cut 20% of her department in the 0:12:35.809 --> 0:12:39.150 last year, which I found pretty interesting because it shows 0:12:39.190 --> 0:12:41.740 that they realise now they've made a mistake. We had 0:12:41.770 --> 0:12:45.300 this COVID-level spending. They said we're delivering surpluses. They were 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.620 focused on the politics the whole time and they didn't 0:12:48.660 --> 0:12:51.059 make the hard decisions in the first term clearly they 0:12:51.100 --> 0:12:55.270 needed to make and they haven't really made them yet either. 0:12:56.150 --> 0:12:59.070 And the question is, is Jim just full of spin? 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.620 And it's starting to look that way because you get 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.540 up and you have these glib lines, X amount of savings, 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.210 et cetera. I mean, this is the problem I have 0:13:07.230 --> 0:13:10.729 with the Scott Morrison administration, as you know, Peter, like 0:13:11.150 --> 0:13:16.590 make the announcement, say you're doing something, but not actually 0:13:16.630 --> 0:13:19.270 do it. Okay. So they say they're cutting the NDIS, 0:13:19.890 --> 0:13:23.100 but they're actually, you know, they're letting it grow less slowly. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.620 They're not actually cutting it, but we haven't saved a 0:13:26.660 --> 0:13:30.000 dollar on that yet. And that drives inflation and it 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.420 takes away from the private sector economy. So there's been 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.699 a lot of talk, not much action on the spending front. 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.720 And Michelle Bullock, I think, just put a minute last week. 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.860 She could have said it was about the war. She 0:13:42.900 --> 0:13:45.140 could have lent more into that. She said some of 0:13:45.220 --> 0:13:47.650 it was about the war. But in a press conference, 0:13:47.670 --> 0:13:51.890 she said domestic capacity pressures. So That speaks for itself. 0:13:51.950 --> 0:13:55.059 They went with all these big spending promises on Medicare 0:13:55.100 --> 0:13:58.319 and whatnot into the elections. I know governments do that. 0:13:59.020 --> 0:14:01.300 They had a rate cut before the election. Happily for them, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.000 we can now say that rate cut should never have happened, surely. 0:14:04.020 --> 0:14:08.970 And this is what everyone's reaping, what the government and 0:14:08.990 --> 0:14:10.429 the Reserve Bank sowed on that one. 0:14:11.970 --> 0:14:13.050 Yeah, when we talk about. 0:14:13.090 --> 0:14:16.050 The impact of fuel costs on inflation, and it is 0:14:16.130 --> 0:14:20.670 right to point to the constriction point of it, the 0:14:20.690 --> 0:14:24.950 Strait of Hormuz. But dear old New Zealand's geographically, about 0:14:24.970 --> 0:14:28.370 the same distance from the Strait of Hormuz as we are, 0:14:28.390 --> 0:14:31.290 they've got interest rates that are much lower than us. 0:14:31.310 --> 0:14:34.010 They've got inflation that's much lower than us. They're a 0:14:34.430 --> 0:14:39.650 heavily diesel-dependent agricultural economy. How can they get it right 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:40.840 and we get it so wrong? 0:14:41.180 --> 0:14:43.359 Well, because they went for the narrow path of keeping 0:14:43.380 --> 0:14:45.720 unemployment as low as they possibly could, and it was 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:50.100 a mistake. It's clearly a mistake. I mean, they kept saying, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.580 you know, Anthony Albanese said they were trying to land 0:14:52.660 --> 0:14:54.920 a jet on a really small runway. Well, great, you 0:14:54.940 --> 0:14:58.070 landed it and worked for about six months. You know, 0:14:58.090 --> 0:15:01.010 everyone's wise in hindsight. The bloke as wise as Warren Hogan, 0:15:01.050 --> 0:15:04.030 he'd be loving that. But, you know, he's had a 0:15:04.090 --> 0:15:06.530 war to help that sort of narrative along. But there's 0:15:06.570 --> 0:15:10.330 absolutely no doubt that they just had an election coming 0:15:10.370 --> 0:15:14.650 and they just went, inflation, we've got it pretty much tamed, 0:15:14.690 --> 0:15:15.830 haven't we? Well, guess what? 0:15:15.870 --> 0:15:16.330 You haven't. 0:15:16.450 --> 0:15:18.990 And what it means for ordinary people, which is why 0:15:19.030 --> 0:15:22.340 they're going to One Nation, is apart from Bondi, that 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.660 was a huge uplift for One Nation, obviously, is 20%. 0:15:26.660 --> 0:15:30.980 Everything's gone up 20% in four or five years. Now, 0:15:31.020 --> 0:15:33.590 there's no one out there, whether they got a job 0:15:33.620 --> 0:15:35.550 or whether they got a pay rise or whatever, who 0:15:35.630 --> 0:15:39.250 is sitting here going... I'm happy with how things are 0:15:39.270 --> 0:15:42.350 at the moment. When have we seen that in my lifetime? 0:15:42.390 --> 0:15:44.230 You know, like it probably it would have happened in 0:15:44.250 --> 0:15:47.820 the 1970s. I was born in the 1970s, so I 0:15:47.860 --> 0:15:50.660 didn't see it. It happened in the early 80s. We 0:15:50.700 --> 0:15:54.820 had stagflation. But the problem's always been unemployment. We haven't 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.660 had this level of an inflation problem for decades. 0:15:59.170 --> 0:16:01.910 All right, let's go to the, and it'll sound like 0:16:01.930 --> 0:16:04.130 an insider issue for people at home, but I want 0:16:04.150 --> 0:16:06.030 them to stick with us because I think it's really 0:16:06.570 --> 0:16:10.430 instructive about how cornered I think Jim Chalmers is feeling. 0:16:10.930 --> 0:16:15.400 He's blocked the independent advice that Treasury would normally make 0:16:15.940 --> 0:16:18.020 on a whole lot of policy proposals. These are called 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.600 the pinks, they're coordinating comments. So So when documents go 0:16:22.660 --> 0:16:25.540 up through the Cabinet process and they land with various 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.720 ministers around the table, there's usually information provided by Treasury 0:16:29.940 --> 0:16:34.120 and other commentary about spending. Well, he doesn't want that 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.100 available to the room. Now, you need it, I think, 0:16:37.210 --> 0:16:40.550 because you want every Cabinet minister who are all equals 0:16:40.610 --> 0:16:43.950 around that table to have all the best information so 0:16:43.990 --> 0:16:44.990 we get good decisions. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:46.740 If he shuts down. 0:16:46.540 --> 0:16:50.590 The pinks, the process of these pink coordinating comments, that 0:16:50.650 --> 0:16:55.070 says to me he's scared of frank and fearless advice. 0:16:55.530 --> 0:16:59.010 Perhaps he's scared that some of those fierce comments from 0:16:59.090 --> 0:17:01.850 Treasury might be leaked to someone like you, Andrew Clennell. 0:17:02.290 --> 0:17:05.530 Well, I think they make all the decisions in ERC anyway, Peter, 0:17:05.550 --> 0:17:07.890 to be honest. But, yeah, I mean, that's one way 0:17:07.930 --> 0:17:11.149 of getting those ERC decisions through, isn't it? 0:17:11.230 --> 0:17:11.530 Because. 0:17:12.530 --> 0:17:15.450 expenditure review committee, I should say, to the viewers, because then, 0:17:15.670 --> 0:17:18.820 you know, Chalmers and Gallagher and Albanese and co have 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.940 made those decisions without any contradictory Treasury advice appearing before 0:17:22.980 --> 0:17:25.420 Cabinet can go, this is the right decision and Treasury 0:17:25.460 --> 0:17:26.120 supports this. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.080 It's a rubber stamp, though. It turns it into a 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:29.659 rubber stamp. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.639 I think Cabinet is a bit of a rubber stamp. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.540 I think that's a problem. I think caucus is a 0:17:33.580 --> 0:17:37.020 rubber stamp. I think that's a problem. I mean, Albanese 0:17:37.060 --> 0:17:40.180 was so intent on not having the Rudd-Gillard years division 0:17:40.220 --> 0:17:43.100 that he's taken it too far the other way. You know, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:44.879 this is one of the great things about the National 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.770 Party and the coalition, especially for journalists, but just generally 0:17:47.810 --> 0:17:50.330 for debate. You're always going to have more debate in 0:17:50.369 --> 0:17:53.149 that party room because you can't control the Nats. So 0:17:53.190 --> 0:17:55.510 then some of the Libs pitch in. And that's when 0:17:55.530 --> 0:17:58.700 you get proper feedback from your electorates and a bit 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.379 more of an idea of the people out there, not 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.920 just the bureaucrats and the politicians in Canberra. So there's 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.480 a benefit to that. There's a benefit to dissent. Quashing 0:18:08.530 --> 0:18:10.350 it can be dangerous, you know. 0:18:10.369 --> 0:18:14.629 Hey, look, I was out in South Barwon. It's a 0:18:14.650 --> 0:18:17.230 key seat just outside of Geelong on the weekend. I 0:18:17.470 --> 0:18:19.790 checked in with a Liberal candidate there. It's a must-win 0:18:19.850 --> 0:18:22.909 seat if the government's going to change in Victoria. I've 0:18:22.950 --> 0:18:24.919 got a package to show my viewers in a moment. 0:18:24.980 --> 0:18:29.800 But I ran into one of, I'll say, our biggest fans, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.100 but he was a huge fan of you, Andrew Clennell. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.879 Have a listen. Who are your favourites on News 24? 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.399 Andrew Clennell, you've got to go a little bit harder, Andrew. 0:18:38.420 --> 0:18:40.500 You've got to get in there and go for the jugular. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:41.639 Come on, you can do it. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.570 He absolutely loved you. He said we're his number one duo. 0:18:45.609 --> 0:18:48.590 He doesn't mind Paul Murray, but he thinks you're the 0:18:48.630 --> 0:18:50.250 duck's guts, as my dad would say. 0:18:50.290 --> 0:18:51.070 So there you go, Andrew. 0:18:51.450 --> 0:18:54.209 Thanks for that, Peter. Always get plenty of feedback, especially 0:18:54.230 --> 0:18:54.889 from this segment. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:57.959 Well, you get some good feedback too. There you go. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.230 That's absolutely on camera. Terrific bloke. All right, that's it. 0:19:01.500 --> 0:19:02.580 Leave it there. Thanks, Andrew. 0:19:02.980 --> 0:19:06.449 Let's get our Victorian election wrap now. 18 days to 0:19:06.470 --> 0:19:10.230 go until polling day. Of course, pre-polls will open from 0:19:10.470 --> 0:19:13.790 Wednesday next week. So, Will and Trulia, the pointy things 0:19:13.810 --> 0:19:17.530 have A pointy end of things now. The Liberals today 0:19:17.550 --> 0:19:20.430 were out there promising to cut red tape, making it 0:19:20.690 --> 0:19:23.810 easier for business to operate in the state. For Labor, 0:19:23.850 --> 0:19:27.720 their focus was on family violence. But the Premier really 0:19:27.740 --> 0:19:31.740 under some pressure after another day of bad polls for 0:19:31.859 --> 0:19:35.899 his government. Here's our reporter, News 24's Georgie Dickinson, on 0:19:35.940 --> 0:19:36.420 the ground. 0:19:37.420 --> 0:19:40.379 Pubs, clubs and live music are the latest focus for 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.139 the Coalition. with Jess Wilson promising to revitalise Victoria's nightlife. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.629 The Liberals say they'll cut red tape and make it 0:19:47.730 --> 0:19:52.100 easier for businesses to operate. It'll streamline liquor licensing, simplify 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.320 festival approvals and offer incentives for venues hosting live music. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.379 It says hundreds of venues have closed in recent years. 0:19:59.700 --> 0:20:03.590 We used to be the destination here in Australia. We've 0:20:03.609 --> 0:20:06.450 said before that Melbourne was the place that people wanted 0:20:06.490 --> 0:20:09.470 to come to experience the nightlife, the culture. I know 0:20:09.490 --> 0:20:11.139 that we can be that again. We want to make 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.129 sure that we consult. We want to make sure that 0:20:13.150 --> 0:20:16.290 we have the appropriate regulations in place that will take 0:20:16.310 --> 0:20:17.850 time with the industry, but we want to get this 0:20:17.940 --> 0:20:20.110 out as quickly as possible, certainly within our first year. 0:20:20.410 --> 0:20:24.030 Meanwhile, Labor is promising a crackdown on family violence, including 0:20:24.090 --> 0:20:28.190 new criminal penalties for convicted family violence and sexual offenders 0:20:28.310 --> 0:20:31.230 using dating apps. It also wants to extend restrictions on 0:20:31.290 --> 0:20:34.770 smart glasses to swimming pools, change rooms and sporting venues, 0:20:35.090 --> 0:20:38.810 and promising a domestic violence disclosure scheme, which allows people 0:20:38.850 --> 0:20:41.939 to check whether their partner has a violent history. But 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.100 the Coalition had already committed to introducing a similar scheme 0:20:45.220 --> 0:20:49.889 under Clare's law almost two years ago, something Labor voted down. 0:20:50.190 --> 0:20:51.650 They are going to support. 0:20:51.670 --> 0:20:54.030 That it wouldn't work back then, that what was proposed 0:20:54.090 --> 0:20:54.590 wouldn't work? 0:20:54.790 --> 0:20:57.150 That is correct. That is correct. In what way was 0:20:57.170 --> 0:20:57.890 it not going to work? 0:20:58.050 --> 0:21:02.280 Because there hadn't been adequate consultation with the sector. And 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.020 we will always ensure that we work hand in hand 0:21:05.220 --> 0:21:08.200 with the sector and that they are part of the discussions. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.889 and the development and implementation of these significant reforms. 0:21:13.290 --> 0:21:17.050 On election day approaching, attention is shifting to preference deals. 0:21:17.530 --> 0:21:20.609 The opposition leader says it will be a case-by-case basis, 0:21:20.730 --> 0:21:23.609 but Labor, the Greens and the Socialists will be at 0:21:23.650 --> 0:21:24.890 the bottom of the ticket. 0:21:26.770 --> 0:21:29.790 Don't forget, set your calendars for a reminder next Tuesday night, 0:21:29.830 --> 0:21:35.450 the historic first four-candidate People's Forum, live here on News 24. Labor, Liberal, 0:21:35.570 --> 0:21:39.770