1 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: From The Australian. I'm Claire Harvey. We're hoping you're having 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: a great holiday break and today we're bringing you one 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: of our favorite episodes from the year. This episode originally 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: aired on March four as the legal saga, prompted by 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: Brittany higgins allegation she was raped by Bruce Lammon, entered 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: a new phase. The Front will return with all new 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: episodes on Monday, January thirteenth. Just hit follow or subscribe 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: to make sure you don't miss an episode. 9 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: The first thing that sort of awoke me was I 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: was in a pain. 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: My leg was kind of being crushed. The senior staff 12 00:00:59,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: was on top of me. 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: This is the moment that launched a thousand lawsuits. 14 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: So I woke up med rate. 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Essentially, this is Britney Higgins's claim on Network Tends the 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Project that as a twenty three year old Liberal staffer 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: she was raped by another twenty three year old later 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: identified as Bruce Lahman, an allegation Lahirman completely denies. The 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Project's story wasn't just an allegation of rape. It was 20 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: about Higgins's sweeping claim that the then Coalition government led 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: by Scott Morrison had actively silenced her. Higgins accused two 22 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: women of being core to the cover up, her then boss, 23 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: Cabinet Minister Linda Reynolds, and reynolds then chief of staff 24 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: Fiona Brown. Both women have since said they're devastated by 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: higgins allegation and that in fact they encouraged Higgins to 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: go to the police and gave her their full support. 27 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: Fiona Brown, the former staffer, has indicated she wants only 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: to move on. Linda Reynolds, the former minister, is not 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: going anywhere. She's fighting for her reputation, firing defamation lawsuits 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: at everyone who's accused her of wrongdoing, including Higgins, her 31 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: partner David Scharaz and Shane Drumgold, the former Chief Prosecutor 32 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: of the Act, and today the Australians revealing Reynolds has 33 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: had a big win in the case against drum Gold. 34 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: The Act government has quietly settled the defamation matter out 35 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: of court by giving Reynolds a substantial payout. 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: Lenna Reynolds was and has been for a long time 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: now very distressed about the way that she was represented 38 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 2: and indeed misrepresented through the whole Higgins Lherman saga. 39 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is the Australian's New South Wales editor that. 40 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: Of course states back to the claims by Higgins that 41 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Reynolds took no care of her, ignored her claims of 42 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: being raped at the hands of British lherman, did a 43 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: little or nothing about it afterwards, and indeed washed the 44 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: hands of it for political reasons at the time. Now, 45 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: those misrepresentations obviously gnawed away at Reynolds, and I guess 46 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: partly because you'll recall that at one point Linda Reynolds 47 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: was forced to apologize to Higgins and indeed pay her 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: money because she was discovered to have called her a 49 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: lying cow. 50 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: This comment lying cow is something another political staffer said 51 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: she'd heard Linda Reynolds say while watching that TV interview. 52 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: Reynolds admitted saying those words. But and this goes to 53 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: the heart of Linda reynolds gripe. She says she was 54 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: not denying Higgins had been raped. She was objecting to Higgins' 55 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: claim that Reynolds was part of a politically motivated cover up. 56 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: This is believed to be the fifth successful legal action 57 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: brought by Linda Reynolds. She sued radio hosts and others 58 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: for airing allegations against her, and on Tuesday she'll face 59 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: off with her main accuser. 60 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: There is another case coming up very soon. In fact, 61 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: on Tuesday, Linda Reynolds in mediation will be meeting Britney 62 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: Higgins and David Sharraz over a claim that she's taken 63 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: against them. So this is an ongoing process for Reynolds. 64 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: She's determined to clear her name, no matter what it costs, 65 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: no matter how far she has to go. And indeed, 66 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: Higgins and Charras have had to fly back from France, 67 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: as I understand it, the first time that they've been 68 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: back to Australia since they left a few months ago 69 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: to take part in this mediation in Perth to try 70 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: of the latest case that Reynolds has brought against them. 71 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: A brief recap for you of the way events unfolded 72 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: after that alleged incident. In the early hours of March 73 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty nineteen, after Friday night drinks, Higgins and 74 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: Lemon took an uber to Parliament. Higgins says she fell 75 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: asleep in the Ministerial suite on Reynold's sofa, then woke 76 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: up to find Lemon raping her. Lemon denies any sexual 77 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: contact at all. On the following Tuesday, March twenty six, 78 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Lemon and Higgins were both in the office when Chief 79 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: of Staff Fiona Brown called Leamon into her room and 80 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: told him he'd breached security by entering Parliament and had 81 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: to pack up his desk and leave. Higgins says that 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: day she told Fiona Brown she'd woken up to find 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: Lemon on top of her. Brown says Higgins didn't tell 84 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: her this, and when Brown asked, did something happen you 85 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: didn't want Higgins indicated no. Brown says it was only 86 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: later she realized Higgins had been found naked on the 87 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: sofa by a security guard and realized there might be 88 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: something more sinister. Brown says it wasn't until the Thursday 89 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: that Higgins told her Lamon had been on top of her. 90 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: Brown alleges Reynolds and another senior politician, Alex Hawk, wanted 91 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: her to go to police at this stage and report 92 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: that something had happened. Brown said she refused that she 93 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: didn't believe that was right because Higgins was insisting she 94 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 1: didn't want the police involved. On April one, Brown says 95 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: she and Reynolds met with Higgins and the minister encouraged 96 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Higgins to go to the police. Brown says she walked 97 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Higgins to the police office in Parliament House, and that 98 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: subsequently Higgins told her she decided not to pursue a 99 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: formal complaint. During the criminal trial of Bruce Lammon, which 100 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: ended without a verdict and saw the charges dropped, droum 101 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: Gold had taken the dramatic step of asking the trial 102 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: judge Lucy McCallum for permission to question Reynolds as a 103 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: hostile witness. Under Drumgold's questioning, Reynolds said all she knew 104 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: at the time of her April one meeting with Higgins 105 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: at Brown was that there'd been a security breach with 106 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the two young staff entering the office after hours. At 107 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: that trial, Drumgold put it to Reynolds that she knew 108 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: there was what he called a sexual element to the incident. 109 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: Reynolds denied it that later, Reynolds admitted she did, in 110 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: fact know by the time of that Monday meeting that 111 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: there was an allegation of sexual misconduct. Both Brown and 112 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: Reynolds say Higgins did not tell them at any point 113 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: she'd been raped. Now, the beef between Reynolds and Drumgold 114 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: seems to go pretty deep, and like most things in 115 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: this matter, it's extremely complicated. But boiling it down Ricey, 116 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: it centers on a letter that Drumgold wrote. Who was 117 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: that to and what did he say? 118 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: Well, this is a letter that Shane Drumgold had written 119 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: to the Chief of Police immediately after the criminal trial finished, 120 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: in which he made a number of allegations that the 121 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: police had acted poorly, in fact disgracefully through the trial, 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: that they'd gaged up on him, that they'd instead of 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: helping the prosecution, they'd help the defense. 124 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Drumgold also alleged in the letter that Linda Reynolds had 125 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: been politically motivated throughout the trial and had sought to 126 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: coach Bruce Lemmon's lawyers. Drumgold was so motivated about this 127 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: ask the act Government to call a special inquiry into 128 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the matter, but that didn't go as it hoped. Here's 129 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: what drum Gold told the inquiry, chaired by eminent jurist 130 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: Walter Soffronoff kc into these allegations of political interference. You'll 131 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: hear him being questioned by counsel assisting the inquiry eron 132 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: longbottom case. She's asking him about this letter. So did 133 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: you think there was a conspiracy of foot. 134 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: I had not formed a view solidly one way or another, 135 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: but I thought that there was enough incidences to make 136 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: it possible, if not probable. 137 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: These are very serious allegations you make in this letter, 138 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: their allegations made with the authority. 139 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: Of your office. 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Do you think possible is the right state of mind 141 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: to make those allegations? 142 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: Well, I mean you get stuck on adjectives. I felt 143 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: that there was enough evidence there to justify an inquiry 144 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: into it. 145 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: In his final report, Sofronoff was scathing about Drumgold's claims, 146 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: saying they were completely baseless coming up. So was there 147 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: a conspiracy or not? While I've got you, we'd love 148 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: you to subscribe to The Australian this week. We'll have 149 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: more coverage on this matter, plus all the big stories 150 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: and the best analysis. It's about the price of a 151 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: sandwich per week. Check us out at the Australian dot 152 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: com dot a U and we'll be back after this break. 153 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the front, you'll know there 154 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: are a bunch of other court cases going on, including 155 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: Bruce Lammon suing Network ten for defamation Shane Drumgold suing 156 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: the Board of Inquiry for effectively ending his career in 157 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: the defamation case being heard by Justice Michael Lee and 158 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: the Federal Court. Network ten has denied it. Ever put 159 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: the imputation there was a political cover up simply that 160 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: it aired higgins belief that this was so. The Commonwealth 161 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two paid Brittney Higgins two point four 162 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: million dollars over her claims Reynolds and Brown had told 163 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: her to be quiet about the alleged rape. Brown and 164 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Reynolds have both strongly denied these claims. Russie, You've sat 165 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: through hundreds of hours of various court hearings in relation 166 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: to this matter. What's your instinct about it? 167 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: You know? 168 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Was there a grand political conspiracy to cover this matter up? 169 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: Or two? 170 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: No? 171 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: Not prosecute Bruce Lean Absolutely not. I mean I couldn't 172 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: be clear about that. And let me make it clear. 173 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: I am not talking about the allegation of a rape. 174 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about whether or not Bruce Lehmon raped 175 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: Brittney Higgins in that suite. What I'm talking about is 176 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: her later allegation that there was a political conspiracy involving 177 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: people like Linda Reynolds and her chiefest staff Fiona Brown, 178 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: to cover the thing up, to make it go away 179 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: because somehow it was going to be embarrassing for the 180 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: Liberal Party in the middle of a federal election. Absolute nonsense, 181 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: And in fact, everybody who's examined this case ever since 182 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: has concluded that Walter Sofronoff, who spent months going through 183 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: all of this, has absolutely stated clearly there was no 184 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: political cover up. And in fact, I'd suggest, without wanting 185 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: to put words in his mouth, that when Justice Lee 186 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 2: makes his inevitable findings in the defamation case bought by 187 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: Bruce Lherman, that he may also find that, regardless of 188 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: the truth of the rape allegation, that there was no 189 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: political cover up. You know, the only political interference, I 190 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: should say, occurred sometime later when the Labor Party seized 191 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: upon this events and went for her, just savaged her 192 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: as a woman who stood by silently after another woman 193 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: had been raped. 194 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: You can read all the nation's best news, sport, politics 195 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: and business anytime at the Australian dot com dot au