Speaker 1: From the sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live
Speaker 1: Sag your gang, Happy Sunday wherever you're happy to be.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for Caleb Bond for filling in
Speaker 1: on Thursday night. And of course, Happy Birthday is water
Speaker 1: my beautiful friend is Abella thirty one a day. Now.
Speaker 1: I loved when two things could be true at the
Speaker 1: same time. Now, as you know, there is one word
Speaker 1: that starts with tea. That is a bit of a
Speaker 1: swear these days, because the tea word is used by
Speaker 1: an orange man. An orange man.
Speaker 2: Bad tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, tariffs, tariff, tarriffs, tariffs, and
Speaker 2: tariffs tariffs, tariff, tariffs, tariff.
Speaker 1: And just this weekend, that bad orange Man decided that
Speaker 1: he was going to increase the tariffs on all steel
Speaker 1: imported into the United States from every other part of
Speaker 1: the globe to twenty five percent. Remember orange Man Bad.
Speaker 3: An extraordinary escalation from the US president doubling tariffs on
Speaker 3: steel and aluminum imports.
Speaker 4: President Donald Trump vowed to double the tariff on stealing ports.
Speaker 5: The Australian steel industry is reeling tonight after Donald Trump
Speaker 5: extended his trade war by doubling steel tariffs to fifty percent.
Speaker 1: Now American work is in the steel industry. Love this
Speaker 1: Why because cheap crap from overseas ends up costing more
Speaker 1: because this extra tax when it crosses your borders increases
Speaker 1: the price. Remember, Orange Man Bad.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of jobs here, there's more coming now,
Speaker 6: and there's going to be a lot of more demand,
Speaker 6: you know, with the tariffs and everything that he's doing.
Speaker 6: I think the tariffs are a very good decision. Go Trump,
Speaker 6: thank you so much.
Speaker 1: So as we know, the word tariff is really tax,
Speaker 1: a little bit like levy. And if you put a
Speaker 1: charge on top of everything that crosses your borders, apparently
Speaker 1: the rest of the world does not like it. This
Speaker 1: is an old school way of playing trade in a
Speaker 1: global economy where slave labor makes things in one part
Speaker 1: of Southeast Asia, and then the western world of course
Speaker 1: demands it must be used by, among other things, government
Speaker 1: when it comes to say energy. But of course, when
Speaker 1: it comes to this specific situation, when it comes to
Speaker 1: tariffs and Trump, an orange Man Bad is that essentially
Speaker 1: putting a tax on something is unfair because it means
Speaker 1: that the idea of international and free trade is fundamentally
Speaker 1: at risk, and we know that there are many people
Speaker 1: in Australia who hate any idea of a tariff, because
Speaker 1: are you listening orange Man bad?
Speaker 3: The application of these new tariffs is certainly not the
Speaker 3: act of a friend.
Speaker 1: It's certainly a hiccup, and it's certainly a problem when
Speaker 1: you have a trading nation that is a good friend
Speaker 1: who I think is harmly not only us but themselves.
Speaker 1: This is an act of economic self harm by the
Speaker 1: United States that will increase the costs for consumers in
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 7: Already seen steel prices rise in the United States and
Speaker 7: they'll probably go up more. So this will impact American
Speaker 7: consumers more than it will impact the rest.
Speaker 1: Of the world. So if you cook the ticket, bad,
Speaker 1: if you add attacks on top of a good simply
Speaker 1: because it comes from somewhere else, bad, orange Man bad.
Speaker 1: Can I say that as many times as that sunk
Speaker 1: in orange Man band terrible policy? Tariff's awful evil, unless,
Speaker 1: of course you want to do it in the name
Speaker 1: of the environment and the government who is considering doing
Speaker 1: this our government, Now remember orange Man bad for increasing
Speaker 1: tariffs on steel from Australia going into the United States.
Speaker 1: Well amazingly today Chris Bowen is openly talking about the
Speaker 1: idea of introducing tariff. If the things that come into
Speaker 1: this country from the rest of the world are carbon intensive, ie,
Speaker 1: if they pollute when they are being made, then a
Speaker 1: tax will be paid before it comes into the country. Now,
Speaker 1: remember everything that is true about tariff's when it comes
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump is exactly the same here. Right, tariffs
Speaker 1: are bad because it makes everything more expensive. This makes
Speaker 1: everything more expensive. And if you think it's just some
Speaker 1: crazy right wing talking point, here is the man on
Speaker 1: Taxpayer TV talking about the very issue today.
Speaker 2: I know you've been looking at the option of Australia
Speaker 2: imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism
Speaker 2: as the Europeans are looking at. Is what's you thinking
Speaker 2: on that at the moment.
Speaker 5: Well, we've been again clear that we want to ensure
Speaker 5: Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world.
Speaker 5: As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year
Speaker 5: to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers. Those
Speaker 5: papers make clear he thinks the settings are right in
Speaker 5: the short term, but there are things we can think
Speaker 5: about in the medium to long term. And obviously that's
Speaker 5: something I'll continue to progress this term with my cabinet colleagues.
Speaker 1: So not know not thanks for the idea. We've been
Speaker 1: doing the homework on this very idea. Now they say
Speaker 1: it's noble because to put it five, ten, twenty percent
Speaker 1: tax on everything that's important into the country. If it
Speaker 1: has some connection to an increase in emissions around the world,
Speaker 1: well that would of course increase the price here in
Speaker 1: Australia in exactly the same way that the Orange Man
Speaker 1: bad tariffs increase the price of things like Australian steel
Speaker 1: being bought in the United States. Now this is really
Speaker 1: fat because, as we know the Orange Band Bad narrative,
Speaker 1: the tariffs equal tax, tariffs equal increase in prices and
Speaker 1: end up being paid by the in this case American
Speaker 1: consumer at a period of time where the inflation worries
Speaker 1: of the past couple of years have started to cool down.
Speaker 1: That essentially a ten percent increase in something like steel
Speaker 1: would eventually feedback into an increase in inflation. Now, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if the people who in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two promised a bit of cost of living but actually
Speaker 1: it got worse for three years who then got re
Speaker 1: elected in twenty twenty five saying again that they're doing
Speaker 1: something about cost of living, but then are equally at
Speaker 1: the same time talking about a policy of increasing the
Speaker 1: cost of things being imported into the country because of
Speaker 1: how they are made, what they are made from, and
Speaker 1: what the effect is effect is on the planet. That
Speaker 1: will mean prices will rise. Now, some people say that
Speaker 1: we are past the point of no return where people
Speaker 1: are willing to pay anything to save the planet. But
Speaker 1: proportionality and reality does actually have to stick here, and
Speaker 1: I don't care what the political consequences are. The reality
Speaker 1: is is that Australia is one percent of the global problem.
Speaker 1: Remember we talk about the climate clock, where for the
Speaker 1: past few nights have shown you that graphic of all
Speaker 1: of the different countries and how much they produce when
Speaker 1: it comes to carbon emissions. If it was midday and
Speaker 1: that's nothing, we go to China, it's quarter past. We
Speaker 1: go to the rest of the developing world or the
Speaker 1: global south. That gets you a half past the climate
Speaker 1: clock Russia, India, United States quarter two, So there's only
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of the climate clock that is anywhere near
Speaker 1: as aggressive about trying to do something about the problem
Speaker 1: as the forty five minutes that are actively continuing to
Speaker 1: wipe out any and everything that we do here. So
Speaker 1: not only are we going to have a scenario where,
Speaker 1: because we want to set a good example, electricity goes
Speaker 1: through the roof, the landscape gets torn apart. We need
Speaker 1: to increase the cost of everything because if it's important
Speaker 1: from somewhere else and it has an effect on the environment,
Speaker 1: we have to do that because if we do this,
Speaker 1: we'll be able to stop bushfires and floods and droughts
Speaker 1: from ever happening. Again, when we are one minute of
Speaker 1: the sixty minutes of the climate clock, where what China
Speaker 1: produces in sixteen days is what we produce in an
Speaker 1: entire year, doesn't mean we don't do anything, of course,
Speaker 1: not doesn't mean we try and do our bit. But
Speaker 1: if part of doing our bit is increasing the cost
Speaker 1: of things we are importing to the country by ten percent,
Speaker 1: and depending on the month, Australia can often import more
Speaker 1: than we export to the rest of the world. And
Speaker 1: then again, if the idea of an export of something
Speaker 1: like steel is unfair, if somebody else puts a twenty
Speaker 1: five percent tax on it, to go into a place
Speaker 1: like the United States. Imagine there were other countries that
Speaker 1: decided to turn and put in carbon taxes on imports.
Speaker 1: Well Ustralian mining sector. How deeply would this be effected
Speaker 1: Now again, it wouldn't be paid in the borders here,
Speaker 1: but the cost of the product would be ten, twenty, thirty,
Speaker 1: fifty percent. It's up to the government how they said
Speaker 1: it once it crosses the line into another country. This
Speaker 1: was all open today, not a big chat during the
Speaker 1: election campaign, because god forbid, we talked about big things
Speaker 1: like this. No, we're to talk about Petty Dutton being
Speaker 1: an augur booger character on social media. We were distracted
Speaker 1: by attributing different things. And the majority of the country,
Speaker 1: well a third of the country and then a third
Speaker 1: of the country with its preferences, decided to pick the
Speaker 1: way that it has. And the government is now double
Speaker 1: any other number inside the parliament. So they will just think,
Speaker 1: whatever may, we can get away with anything, and maybe
Speaker 1: they can. But you would think someone somewhere would have
Speaker 1: made a point here that this government on this watch,
Speaker 1: in this term already they are going to set a
Speaker 1: climate target of twenty thirty five people inside the Labor
Speaker 1: Party want that anywhere up to seventy five percent, which
Speaker 1: is the same level as where the teals are, where
Speaker 1: the greens were a few years ago. Plus an increase
Speaker 1: to eighty three percent of all of our energy coming
Speaker 1: from renewables, and the billions of dollars that it costs
Speaker 1: to get to that system, plus five, ten, twenty, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the number is percent increase in the
Speaker 1: price of everything important into the country. That's one hell
Speaker 1: of a cost of transition. But apparently this government thinks
Speaker 1: we're one We're one big, which means bugger any and
Speaker 1: anyone else, but we're here for the little guy when
Speaker 1: it comes to the cost of living. Now. Also speaking
Speaker 1: of the cost of transition, interesting little bit of detail
Speaker 1: in the past couple of days, including that obviously some
Speaker 1: of the decisions that the Labor Party has made, and
Speaker 1: they deserve credit for this, which is that they have
Speaker 1: decided to double down on gas as basically being the
Speaker 1: firming technology to make sure that that is what will
Speaker 1: eventually power the nation when the wind doesn't blow and
Speaker 1: the sun doesn't shine. Notice that many state governments are
Speaker 1: moving to this position as well, so again they may
Speaker 1: well think that's it all done. But of course the
Speaker 1: cost of transition, which I will remain focused on, regardless
Speaker 1: of how many seats there are or aren't in the parliament.
Speaker 1: It's not an irrelevant issue because people will have to
Speaker 1: bear the cost. They tell us that they care, but
Speaker 1: then sometimes they've an inferant direction, so who knows where
Speaker 1: they actually feel. But I certainly know how the majority
Speaker 1: of people who'd be watching this would be failing, which
Speaker 1: is okay, cool, find a doom a bit. But how
Speaker 1: much more is this going to cost? And for how long?
Speaker 1: Or the construction of renewables is of course one hundreds
Speaker 1: of billions of dollars. The CSAI a few years ago
Speaker 1: put it at one t for trillion dollars once you
Speaker 1: connect it all up with wires. Interesting note that apparently
Speaker 1: the cost of transition to the renewable grid in Victoria
Speaker 1: is blowing out by at least sixteen billion dollars. The
Speaker 1: total cost to households and businesses to upgrade the Victoria's
Speaker 1: electricity grid required to support the shift of renewable energy
Speaker 1: will now be more than four times the four point
Speaker 1: three billion dollar figure that's set out in the transition
Speaker 1: roadmap which was unveiled last month. So these numbers already
Speaker 1: four times higher than a report that came out last month.
Speaker 1: Experts say we're now looking at best about a twenty
Speaker 1: billion dollars. The minister who's responsible for all this released
Speaker 1: that plan fifteen years four point three billion dollars. But
Speaker 1: then someone smart decided to go to page ninety five
Speaker 1: of vic Grid's one hundred and twelve page document and
Speaker 1: it does not account for several critical transmission projects, including
Speaker 1: the Western Renewables Link which links Victoria and New South Wales,
Speaker 1: the Interconnector West and the Marinus Link which takes you
Speaker 1: to the hydropower of Tasmania. All of that would be
Speaker 1: more than sixteen billion dollars. So the headline is, how
Speaker 1: good is this? We're reshaping the world. It's turning going
Speaker 1: to cost us four point three actually looking the fine
Speaker 1: point and it's now sixteen billion dollars. Nothing to see here,
Speaker 1: nothing at all. Back to the Libs and we know
Speaker 1: that the new Liberal leader, the new Opposition leader, susin'
Speaker 1: lee is making her bit to try to get as
Speaker 1: many people to be introduced to her as possible, and
Speaker 1: as she's done interviews basically every TV station. I like
Speaker 1: that she's writing opinion pieces for lots of different newspapers,
Speaker 1: and I'll get the one that she wrote just this weekend.
Speaker 1: But there's this very silly term. And I say silly
Speaker 1: term because this is one of these things that a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of cool people all use it once and
Speaker 1: you've never heard it before. It's called the glass cliff.
Speaker 1: Susan Lee is the answer, then, well, it's a very
Speaker 1: interesting thing, isn't it. When I think whenever a woman gets.
Speaker 4: A post like this, it's it's always like, oh, here's
Speaker 4: the job nobody else wanted. Glass cliff, which is the
Speaker 4: cousin of the glass seal. I have a funny view
Speaker 4: on that, like I think, yes, it's clearly a factor,
Speaker 4: but equally men would have wanted this job right now too,
Speaker 4: Like there is obviously a hunger for this job.
Speaker 2: I can't understand the take though, I mean, oh I
Speaker 2: do too.
Speaker 1: So again glass seailing. And that's the reason why women
Speaker 1: get to a certain point and then not able to
Speaker 1: go any further due to the evils of the patriarchy.
Speaker 1: And then the glass cliff being the version where well,
Speaker 1: now that you are at the top, see you later.
Speaker 1: Susan Lee has taken this front on and good on
Speaker 1: her for doing so in the piece that she wrote
Speaker 1: for the Financial Review. And again I like that. Slowly
Speaker 1: but surely, in the early days of leadership, you go
Speaker 1: to as many different places as possible and you just
Speaker 1: state an introduction many years before every people have to
Speaker 1: make a decision about whether they want to change from
Speaker 1: what they did. Obviously, just a few weeks ago, no
Speaker 1: one told me about glass cliffs when they placed ads
Speaker 1: in regional papers across the country to try and land
Speaker 1: a job of one of the first Australian female mustering pilots.
Speaker 1: No one warn me about a glass cliff when I
Speaker 1: went to UNI with a baby and a capsule as
Speaker 1: their family struggled to make ends meet. No one asked
Speaker 1: me about glass cliffs when I hooked up my caravan
Speaker 1: painted at Liberal blue and drove around the Murray to
Speaker 1: run for Parliament. As for glass cliffs, I couldn't give
Speaker 1: a staff. And then she finishes on the metaphor of
Speaker 1: being a pilot. Cliffs don't matter when you have wings. Good.
Speaker 1: I love this stuff. Fight Fight, Fight where this term again,
Speaker 1: it may well have existed in the universities for a
Speaker 1: long time and in fashionable parts of the incidet but
Speaker 1: in terms of common news language, had you heard of
Speaker 1: glass Cliff of recent weeks, let alone months? Potentially even years?
Speaker 1: But no? Mainlined is a way of trying to say
Speaker 1: the Liberals have a problem with women. You don't have
Speaker 1: a female leader. Yeah, but asterisk there. Of course, fundamental
Speaker 1: problem is the Liberal Party. They don't want to engage
Speaker 1: with full of ideas about what they need to do,
Speaker 1: how they need to change direction about what they should mean.
Speaker 1: None of those people with an interest in actually voting
Speaker 1: for them. Hence why basically they turn around and say, hey,
Speaker 1: can you be the left of Australian politics, but just
Speaker 1: just wear different clothes, because of course then they get
Speaker 1: the result that they want, which is no opposition to
Speaker 1: things like increasing prices by ten percent because of the
Speaker 1: carbon intensive nature, or of the goods that are like
Speaker 1: a fridge or a car that's made overseas because we
Speaker 1: don't make that stuff here because electricity is very expensive.
Speaker 1: And why is that at the moment? Well, also, you
Speaker 1: may all have heard the term and I'm very sure
Speaker 1: I've avoided using the labor lights term in relation to
Speaker 1: the coalition not being Goldilocks enough when it comes to
Speaker 1: the type of politics that's practiced in Australia right now.
Speaker 1: But interesting next time you hear this being said. Now,
Speaker 1: I know that everything's under review, and in my view,
Speaker 1: everything should be under review. Why because hey, you lost twice,
Speaker 1: you lost thirty seats, pretty obviously you should you put
Speaker 1: the car up on the hoist and have a quick
Speaker 1: little look around, double check. Oh we've only got three wheels,
Speaker 1: you know. Not a bad idea. But for those that
Speaker 1: are saying I think are immediately going to run to
Speaker 1: the left. Okay, guess what the immigration spokesperson's out in
Speaker 1: about in the past couple of days, and clearly he's
Speaker 1: got some free rain to say what he thinks. He's
Speaker 1: standing by the position, which is that Australian needs to
Speaker 1: car cut cut immigration. Why because the more people who
Speaker 1: are here, a fewer houses that there are, etc. Etc.
Speaker 1: So just be careful of the people in all directions.
Speaker 1: A bit far this way, a bit far that way,
Speaker 1: be more like me. Look who knows where they land?
Speaker 1: And free advice is what you pay for it, right,
Speaker 1: But I love the idea, particularly of the left, always
Speaker 1: all these ideas, but they were never going to vote anyway, Right,
Speaker 1: the conversation, yes, has to start at a nucleus with
Speaker 1: those of us who did vote. But then clearly there's
Speaker 1: a third of the country that is winnable and what
Speaker 1: is it that they're into long process? As I've said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a little bit dangerous where I'm
Speaker 1: going to trust you as a fellow adult, we can
Speaker 1: have an adult conversation where sometimes there are just questions,
Speaker 1: not a direct answer, sometimes wondering out loud. That's going
Speaker 1: to be the journey for the next little while. Believe me,
Speaker 1: when the government does the wrong thing, you don't think
Speaker 1: I'm going to be first in line, first in line,
Speaker 1: But they make no decisions apart from potentially increasing the
Speaker 1: cost of everything, and that won't even be the front
Speaker 1: page of the paper tomorrow anyway. Also, when it comes
Speaker 1: to the economy, I've got a bit on that as
Speaker 1: well here for you, which is because of recent natural
Speaker 1: weather events thanks to the pollution in China. According to
Speaker 1: the logic of the government, there's going to be some
Speaker 1: increases when it comes to dairy products, milk and butter
Speaker 1: prices are going to go up. That of course may
Speaker 1: well feed into inflation. Inflation feeds into whether they do
Speaker 1: or don't cut interest rates. There was some inflation numbers
Speaker 1: last week. I didn't get a chance to mention before
Speaker 1: I had a long weekend. Thank you again to Caleb
Speaker 1: for filling in. Well, yes, two point four percent, great,
Speaker 1: it's between two and three. That means hunky dory economy
Speaker 1: fixed right, not quite. Tobacco in the month of April
Speaker 1: up twelve percent, gas another household fuels up six percent,
Speaker 1: fruit and vege up six percent, like double average inflation,
Speaker 1: holiday and accommodation rents, non alcoholic beverages, all of those
Speaker 1: things were higher when it came to the number. When
Speaker 1: it comes to inflation, if you start to add in
Speaker 1: things like and increase in all goods because they're made
Speaker 1: somewhere else, they're carbon intensive, and they come into the
Speaker 1: country with a carbon tariff, inflation would go up. And
Speaker 1: then the RBA does what with interest rates? Again? You
Speaker 1: know not that it's not that it's all connected now. Also,
Speaker 1: when we were talking before about a population right again,
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of thousands of people extra being brought
Speaker 1: into the country. Again, I don't care where they're from.
Speaker 1: I certainly care that they want to love this country.
Speaker 1: As much as everyone else who's been here for two
Speaker 1: minutes or tens of thousands of years, right, love the
Speaker 1: joint that's the simple rules. But of course the problem
Speaker 1: is there's not enough infrastructure for the existing twenty seven
Speaker 1: million people, let alonely forty something million people that we're
Speaker 1: going to get to. And even with forty million people
Speaker 1: paying tax, we're still going to be running record budget deficits.
Speaker 1: This year. It's a one trining dollars. By the end
Speaker 1: of this electoral cycle, it's one point two, with no
Speaker 1: budget survices being forecast for the next forty years. Guess
Speaker 1: what that's going to mean. One treating becomes two, becomes three.
Speaker 1: But whatever modern monetary theory, it doesn't matter. Well, despite
Speaker 1: the fact of extra hundreds of thousands of people coming
Speaker 1: into the country, guess how many building approvals for more houses,
Speaker 1: more units, for more people to be able to buy,
Speaker 1: let alone the children of the people who are already here,
Speaker 1: myself included, for their ability to go and buy a
Speaker 1: house for themselves. Total new homes approved in April less
Speaker 1: than ten thousand new units, less than five thousand. Nothing
Speaker 1: to see here, nothing at all. Right, It's all just
Speaker 1: one giant scare from the right wing, apart from the
Speaker 1: reality that that is the way that things are now
Speaker 1: right crazy. Also we're talking about here too, is there
Speaker 1: is a big issue for workers all over the place
Speaker 1: and it is AI. Now, if anything one has used chat,
Speaker 1: GPT or you're fooling around on Facebook, WhatsApp, whatever, and
Speaker 1: you say, hey, make a cartoon of in this case,
Speaker 1: Paul Murray from scott News smoking a cigar while riding
Speaker 1: a bicycle, feel free. Well, look what happens. It'll take
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds, and this thing looks like something
Speaker 1: that somebody took a whole day to make can be
Speaker 1: made in like five seconds. The power of this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: But the reality is is that if you are and
Speaker 1: I've got mates that are doing this now, they are
Speaker 1: experimenting with chat GPT in particular where there are people
Speaker 1: who are able to ask at legal questions and it
Speaker 1: will quickly spit back legal answer. Had a great conversation
Speaker 1: with a couple of days ago who was talking about
Speaker 1: their small business and tax and basically was just talking
Speaker 1: to a computer and it was giving them the advice
Speaker 1: of account of an accountant or a financial planner. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously that just arms you as a consumer in the
Speaker 1: same way that you know decades ago you may have
Speaker 1: had no idea what you're doing when it comes to
Speaker 1: buying a car, because you couldn't compare what the cost
Speaker 1: of the Toyota CAMERI was at this dealership versus the
Speaker 1: one on the other side of town, lit alone the
Speaker 1: one on the other side of the country. And then
Speaker 1: of course to things like carsales dot Com that I
Speaker 1: you your ability to go h okay, like a ninety
Speaker 1: five Subaru is worth this much, I want to get
Speaker 1: a jeep wrangler. From a couple of years, you're basically
Speaker 1: able to work out what the market is well. AI
Speaker 1: is able to fit into lots of these different areas,
Speaker 1: but there's no one on the other side. It's just
Speaker 1: computer talking to computer and more computers talking, and more
Speaker 1: computers talking to more computers. Where the level of information
Speaker 1: is lightning fast, and we are seeing all sorts of
Speaker 1: industries that are the polite term is disrupted, But the
Speaker 1: reality is lots of losing their jobs, like entry level
Speaker 1: lawyer stuff, entry level taxation stuff, and in the creative industries,
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of jobs which are being thrown
Speaker 1: against the wall. Now, yes, the endgame is you know,
Speaker 1: presumably you know, computer TV, station, TV, broadcast, and it's
Speaker 1: maybe that's where it goes. Maybe there's a whole movie
Speaker 1: that's completely fake and the human being was involved in it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe, but there's so many steps between
Speaker 1: now and then. And while this stuff is fun to
Speaker 1: play with onion and Friday night, couple of cans and hey,
Speaker 1: what about this? What about that? Put this person's head
Speaker 1: on this person's body? You know, okay, fine. The Guardian
Speaker 1: wrote something interesting about this, interesting about this this week,
Speaker 1: which was about how in particularly the creative industries, but
Speaker 1: we're talking about in lots of different countries young people
Speaker 1: are losing their jobs too, frankly the computer and I
Speaker 1: know that this has happened on the factory floor and
Speaker 1: now that it's hard at hitting white collar people, it'll
Speaker 1: be a big news issue, but still just worth talking about.
Speaker 1: Next time you sort of hear all the ups and
Speaker 1: downs of AI and you know, maybe I'm a little
Speaker 1: fearful of the cybernet terminated too style conclusion of where
Speaker 1: all of this goes and computers one day turn around
Speaker 1: and say, you know what the problem with the planet
Speaker 1: is people anyway. I'm joking. Relax, fact checkers, I'm just joking,
Speaker 1: wondering out loud if you will. A bloke is a
Speaker 1: journalist in Poland told The Turnbull Times. I was let
Speaker 1: go in August twenty twenty four along with a dozen
Speaker 1: co workers who were working part time. They were working
Speaker 1: at a radio station and the radio station apparently had
Speaker 1: financial problems. He was pretty okay with all of this,
Speaker 1: but then a few months later he noticed that there
Speaker 1: were programs which were being hosted by computers replacing human
Speaker 1: beings making radio shows. Wow, I've seen some of this
Speaker 1: AI stuff where basically you can get a computer to
Speaker 1: give sports scores on the radio or traffic on the radio. Perfect.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Seriously, you
Speaker 1: would not be able to tell the difference. This lady
Speaker 1: is an illustrator in Indonesia. I used to work at
Speaker 1: a small studio and do storyboard artists for TV commercials.
Speaker 1: So you may know what that is, but if anyone
Speaker 1: doesn't know what a storyboard is, Basically, before you get
Speaker 1: the finished product, you draw the scenes before you then
Speaker 1: go and animate the scenes. It's a way of being
Speaker 1: able to work out that. Okay, you know, man walks
Speaker 1: into room, camera change, man walks over to this side
Speaker 1: of room. That sort of stuff, right, She's send colleagues
Speaker 1: lose jobs. Even those who've kept their jobs have had
Speaker 1: their wages reduced, and the pay in Southeast Asia is
Speaker 1: already low. A copywriter in the UK says, around eight
Speaker 1: months in I was noticing I was getting less work.
Speaker 1: I overheard a boss saying, just put it in chat,
Speaker 1: GPT and over and over and over again. Now I
Speaker 1: know many people do not care how the sausage is made,
Speaker 1: but there are a whole bunch of people who aren't
Speaker 1: great with their hands. They're great with their mind. They're
Speaker 1: great with their creativity, and they're great with creating art
Speaker 1: or advertising or all sorts of things. That's just one
Speaker 1: little slice of the stuff that is being disrupted by AI.
Speaker 1: But on top of that, as I said, legal advice,
Speaker 1: tax advice in the same way that you can go
Speaker 1: and find on YouTube DIY about how to build something.
Speaker 1: All of this technology is great as a tool until
Speaker 1: the tool takes over, and of course it's too late.
Speaker 1: And remember every time you use AI, you are feeding
Speaker 1: it information. So if you are fearful of what its
Speaker 1: potential impacts are. Stay away from it, even on a
Speaker 1: pissy Friday night, because it's learning an awful lot and
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.
Speaker 1: Between now and then, we'll tell then the real thing
Speaker 1: is here. The real thing is Paul Murray, and this
Speaker 1: is the program that we'll be hosting for the rest
Speaker 1: of the night. All right, thank you so much for watching.
Speaker 1: More at a moment and by the way, tonight the
Speaker 1: first interview with one of those brand new one Nation senators.
Speaker 1: Can you believe they've got four four in the Upper House.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Pauline Hanson and James Ashby, our guest at
Speaker 1: a moment here on Paulmurray line. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for watching, joining us here in the man cave my
Speaker 1: brother from another mother, none other than the wonderful Darren Bunnette.
Speaker 1: Lovely to see you, sir.
Speaker 7: My body doubled for you last Sunday. Now I knew
Speaker 7: I apprescire its outstanding.
Speaker 1: It was great. Hope everyone loved you for it. All right,
Speaker 1: let's also have a chat to James Ashby. Congratulations to
Speaker 1: him and the wider one Nation team. And also, I
Speaker 1: really want to appreciate Malcolm Roberts giving us a shout
Speaker 1: out on social media today that yeah, we noticed that
Speaker 1: one nation thing, right, how many nights, how many weeks
Speaker 1: do we say, Hey, at seven percent, there at eight percent,
Speaker 1: there are ten percent, maybe something might happen. James, congratulations
Speaker 1: to you and Pauline again. A two person Senate operation
Speaker 1: now becoming a four person, a footprint Queensland, New South Wales,
Speaker 1: Western Australia, your lap of the map, state MPs elected
Speaker 1: all over the shop. This is an incredible bit of
Speaker 1: growth for the party.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can finally start growing my fingernails back, paul
Speaker 8: It's been now binding for a lot of people, including
Speaker 8: Tyron and Warrick, who have thankfully been elected. But you know,
Speaker 8: strangely enough, we only narrowly missed out on Victoria, and
Speaker 8: I mean narrowly missed out. We were right down to
Speaker 8: the line there and unfortunately it just didn't happen for Warren.
Speaker 8: But nonetheless we had great success and I think a
Speaker 8: lot of it came down to the fact that not
Speaker 8: only did we run a good campaign, it was really
Speaker 8: on a shoe string budget. I've got to say thank
Speaker 8: you to everybody who participated. If you couldn't give money,
Speaker 8: that was I find so many people gave us their time,
Speaker 8: which meant more in actual fact, because having people on
Speaker 8: piling booths as you know, when you're handing out how
Speaker 8: to vote cards, it makes life so much easier. But
Speaker 8: also too, I think more and more people were engaged
Speaker 8: in this election and they didn't waste their vote. They
Speaker 8: gave us their preference in the Senate and that's why
Speaker 8: we ended up with four. So we go back before
Speaker 8: now and twenty second of July, lock our one nations
Speaker 8: there all on the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean in terms of the way the Parliament's
Speaker 1: going to work, is that obviously Labor Greens are able
Speaker 1: to pass all the stuff I think only that supercharges
Speaker 1: you guys, and the way you're going to be able
Speaker 1: to fight back against that agenda, including that tariff stuf
Speaker 1: I'll get to in a second. But Darren, we've seen
Speaker 1: like I love the I love Senate chat right, it's
Speaker 1: like the most nerdy of the political conversations because reality is,
Speaker 1: you can't pass anything clearly without it. And we've seen
Speaker 1: scenarios where you know, way back when Brian Harrodine one
Speaker 1: person and then there's sort of another collection and different
Speaker 1: power up and down, And obviously the focus is in
Speaker 1: their around Labor Greens, Coalition, Crossbeach right, lamby just and
Speaker 1: I mean just as well.
Speaker 7: But One Nation you close and tassy too.
Speaker 1: That's I'm so Lee Hanson just knocking down the door. There,
Speaker 1: they're knocking down the door in Victoria. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: doubling your representation is pretty amazing. What does it say
Speaker 1: to you? Do you think that it's the sign of
Speaker 1: just a moment in time or the sign of a
Speaker 1: little change.
Speaker 7: Clearly, the number of people voting for the not the
Speaker 7: two major parties, or we'll call the coalition one of
Speaker 7: the two major parties. People are putting their vote elsewhere,
Speaker 7: and this time around they've parked that vote very happily
Speaker 7: with One Nation. And we've spoke about it before the
Speaker 7: election a bunch of times that the Dutton campaigns does
Speaker 7: he go to the center or does he go to
Speaker 7: the ride? Every time he oscillates he loses votes.
Speaker 1: Correct time.
Speaker 7: At this time, trumpet patriots was not palatable. One Nation
Speaker 7: was the alternative and their vote continue to build and
Speaker 7: that's translated into Senate spots and good on them congratulations.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, it's very good when.
Speaker 7: We talk about the Senate. It is going to be
Speaker 7: a different Senate where we're not relying on the crossbenches
Speaker 7: for everything to happen. But that doesn't mean you can't
Speaker 7: still make a lot of noise, and it doesn't mean
Speaker 7: that in three years time that the balance won't shift again.
Speaker 7: I think this was a twenty nine. The one that
Speaker 7: we were replacing was a particularly strong coalition result. This
Speaker 7: has been a particularly strong labor result the off three years.
Speaker 1: Who knows a little one way or the other.
Speaker 7: I'll put it this way. I'd much rather have four
Speaker 7: people in the Senate than one person in the Senate.
Speaker 7: And they've got that for the next they're probably going
Speaker 7: to pick up their same senator in three years time.
Speaker 1: I'd take four in the Senate than one downstairs because
Speaker 1: the more about six year terms.
Speaker 7: Four in the Senate's going to be incredibly valuable. If
Speaker 7: it's not available now, it's valuable friends time.
Speaker 8: This result has spurred Pauline Hanson on. She said to
Speaker 8: me the other day, bugger the three years I've got left,
Speaker 8: I want nine.
Speaker 1: Look out. She's determined.
Speaker 8: And because it's growth, this has really spurred us on
Speaker 8: as a party. And I must admit, you know this
Speaker 8: was the make it or break at election. If we
Speaker 8: didn't improve on our numbers, we had to have a
Speaker 8: good hard look at ourselves and say to ourselves is
Speaker 8: this worth moving forward with? Because there's something so long
Speaker 8: you can beat your head against a brick wall. And
Speaker 8: so this just proves that One Nation is a desirable
Speaker 8: party for those people who don't want to vote for
Speaker 8: the two major parties. And this has put a real
Speaker 8: bit of kick and oh, confidence, I guess is probably
Speaker 8: the best word behind Pauline to know that what she's
Speaker 8: doing has been right and that confidence has been passed
Speaker 8: on in the voters.
Speaker 1: He's breaking news, he repeated in other shows across the Weak.
Speaker 1: Pauline getting ready to run again three years time, top
Speaker 1: of the ticket Queensland. Yes, that would be a very
Speaker 1: good thing for our politics. Also, just one last thing
Speaker 1: we're talking about here when it comes to just being
Speaker 1: a senator, but certainly having multiple senators. And Malcolm Roberts
Speaker 1: ran a spectacular campaign on social media. Right he's got
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand followers, never spoken to by the establishment
Speaker 1: media and no interviews all the rest of it, right,
Speaker 1: his questions and his questioning of people in things like
Speaker 1: Senate estimates, which doesn't make the news because oh they're
Speaker 1: dirty questions. Guess what, people go, hang on, He's just
Speaker 1: asking them a really straight up question, and he's seeing
Speaker 1: the bs from the people asking and that stuff really sticks,
Speaker 1: probably even better than any interview or news story could be.
Speaker 1: So again, congratulations to you and the entire team, James,
Speaker 1: I know just how hard you work, as well as
Speaker 1: of course the Boss. Now let us get to this
Speaker 1: small matter of should Australia introduce tariffs on things that
Speaker 1: we import from the rest of the world. Now, of
Speaker 1: course it's bad when the Orange Man does it, but
Speaker 1: it's good if the Bowen Man does it, because it's
Speaker 1: all about climate change. Again, this is what he said
Speaker 1: on the ABC today.
Speaker 2: I know you've been looking at the option of Australia
Speaker 2: imposing a carbon tariff or a carbon border adjustment mechanism
Speaker 2: as the Europeans are looking at. What's he thinking on
Speaker 2: that at the moment.
Speaker 5: Well, we've been again clear that we want to ensure
Speaker 5: Australian industry it's best place to compete in a decarbonizing world.
Speaker 5: As you know, I commissioned Professor Frank Yotso last year
Speaker 5: to advise the government. He's made public consultation papers, so
Speaker 5: those papers make clear he thinks the settings are right
Speaker 5: in the short term, but there are things we can
Speaker 5: think about in the medium to long term, and obviously
Speaker 5: that's something I'll continue to progress this term with my
Speaker 5: cabinet colleagues.
Speaker 1: Now, of course, all governments are looking for extra revenue,
Speaker 1: trying to make sure that it is people in this
Speaker 1: country that don't have to pay that extra revenue, because
Speaker 1: then you turn around and get the Harry hits with
Speaker 1: the government. The only problem is we've all been trained
Speaker 1: to believe Orange Man bad tariffs are also bad because
Speaker 1: they increase the cost of the goods for the people
Speaker 1: in the United States. Would that not be the exact
Speaker 1: same thing that would happen here in Australia no matter
Speaker 1: what they call it, Darren, If they turn around and
Speaker 1: say carbon intensive you know, dirty bad stuff being made
Speaker 1: somewhere else being brought into Australia, well, whack ten percent
Speaker 1: on it. Great, government gets ten percent, customer pays ten percent.
Speaker 7: Now, I'm not excited about tariffs in general. I think
Speaker 7: it's a little bit different to Trump. The first announcement
Speaker 7: from Trump was pretty extreme. I think it's fair to
Speaker 7: say that it was everyone global tea, everyone's minimum ten
Speaker 7: percent up from there. So this is not quite in
Speaker 7: that ballpark. But as a general principle, I think most
Speaker 7: of the world has moved on from the tariffs of
Speaker 7: the seventies, eighties and before then, so it's probably a
Speaker 7: retrogade step that the only thing would be if they
Speaker 7: can convince the Australian people that it protects some Australian industries.
Speaker 7: Yet to be determined whether they can make that argument
Speaker 7: or whether that's the argument they try to make, But
Speaker 7: that's the only way you can justify it is if
Speaker 7: savy techs, if you're saving Ausie jobs, in which case
Speaker 7: that's something that I'm sure people, even James and one
Speaker 7: nation in the Senate would look at.
Speaker 1: But James, of course, that's not the logic. It The
Speaker 1: logic is we're going to put a tax on something
Speaker 1: that is helping to pollute the planet, which is causing
Speaker 1: you know, every rainstorm, every drought, every hot day, every
Speaker 1: cold day, all the rest of it. Right, and they believe, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know, ninety five seats downstairs dominance in the Senate. Mate,
Speaker 1: this is over. You know, we've won this five hundred
Speaker 1: times over. Good luck. If the Coalition wants to keep
Speaker 1: pushing in this area, good luck the One Nation. If
Speaker 1: they want to play down this end, I'm sorry. If
Speaker 1: we're going to put a tax that's going to increase
Speaker 1: everything coming into the country that's carbon intensive, which is
Speaker 1: basically everything that is important into the country, people are
Speaker 1: going to notice, aren't they.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, you can't put enough loopstick on this pig.
Speaker 8: The reality of it is it's a tax, and there's
Speaker 8: no other way of saying. A tariff or a levee
Speaker 8: or whatever you want to call it, it's still a tax.
Speaker 8: And it comes back to that dirty old carbon tax
Speaker 8: that the Labor Party introduced all those years ago that
Speaker 8: Abbott had the pleasure of getting rid of. It took
Speaker 8: some time to get rid of. But this is only
Speaker 8: going to drive prices up. And isn't it funny when
Speaker 8: you suggest putting a tariff or a tax or a
Speaker 8: ban on importing goods from countries that use slave labor
Speaker 8: or child labor, and we're looking at you, China. The
Speaker 8: Labor Party run a million miles from it. But the second,
Speaker 8: carbon emissions might exceed the limits that we want here
Speaker 8: in Australia. They don't have any problems in implementing these systems.
Speaker 8: And let's not forget who this has been spurred on
Speaker 8: by the Greens, who labor did the preference deal with
Speaker 8: that the election to ensure that they had control of
Speaker 8: both the Lower House and the Upper House with the
Speaker 8: Green support. So this just means that everything goes up.
Speaker 8: If you're looking to build a house, you've got young
Speaker 8: viewers out there, Paul, you know every one of those
Speaker 8: young viewers is going to struggle because the cost of
Speaker 8: concrete and steel and other building products that will be
Speaker 8: inevitably imported into this country because we don't manufacture because
Speaker 8: of the high labor costs or the high energy costs.
Speaker 8: And let's not forget they're not putting a tariff or
Speaker 8: at tax on that slave labor. So I just say
Speaker 8: it this way. It's just a simple carbon tax reintroduced
Speaker 8: dressed up as something different.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So can I say very quickly just to add,
Speaker 7: I think what James touched on with the Greens is
Speaker 7: spot on. I suspect there's a little bit of wiggle
Speaker 7: room Deliberately being put in by labor. There are two
Speaker 7: pathways to pass legislation, Coalition or Greens. They're leaving that
Speaker 7: door open for some big negotiations. Are things they want
Speaker 7: to get through that might be something they put on
Speaker 7: the table in return.
Speaker 1: Correct, but theoretically right. So I heard this argument today
Speaker 1: about Orange Man bad steel tariffs. Right, is that if
Speaker 1: you're increasing the cost of tariffs at cost of steel
Speaker 1: steel is made in an American car, American car imported
Speaker 1: to Australia, price goes up by the tariff. Right, that
Speaker 1: would be the same logic with the carbon intense if
Speaker 1: one made in Japan or Europe or anywhere else. Look,
Speaker 1: my sense is in the long run, this probably doesn't
Speaker 1: happen because it would be insane for it to happen.
Speaker 1: But these people, they think they are so far in
Speaker 1: front and going to run forever and rule forever, and
Speaker 1: after it's you know, Albow and then Charmers, the Girl Bosses.
Speaker 1: They're set in the next thirty years. Let's just see
Speaker 1: what happens. Let's just see what happens. Jeff A bold
Speaker 1: prediction for the week ahead. James Ashby, what's definitely happening?
Speaker 1: What's one you can just come up with on the spot.
Speaker 1: Definitely going to happen.
Speaker 8: Oh jeez, Paul, this is tough. I've got a bold prediction.
Speaker 8: We're going to get inundated with job applications.
Speaker 1: For seventy and that's wy and new else.
Speaker 8: I haven't thought beyond that. They'd be quite honest with you,
Speaker 8: there's so much going on with two very excited new
Speaker 8: elected senators, so I'll just look forward to the inundation
Speaker 8: of the job application.
Speaker 1: Good boy, we've got one of them standing by. In
Speaker 1: a second, I have a chat to their new senator
Speaker 1: from One Nation and Western Australia in a moment, Darren
Speaker 1: last six.
Speaker 7: I think Nicolette Buller will win her seat. And I
Speaker 7: say that because there were a lot more well experienced
Speaker 7: or very good experience scrutineers for the Libs early on
Speaker 7: in the count because I think the Teals thought they
Speaker 7: were going to romp it in right, So therefore I
Speaker 7: think one are the votes.
Speaker 1: There were seven and a half, so in the recoun
Speaker 1: there's a better group of people go cancel that one.
Speaker 7: I think they've got better scrutineers his time around, and
Speaker 7: therefore they'll get out of the line that's bold.
Speaker 1: I like it. Well done, Thank you very much, guys,
Speaker 1: do appreciate it. We'll see you again next week. All right,
Speaker 1: quick break back with more a brand new senator from
Speaker 1: Western Australia representing one nation. They've had a spectacular election.
Speaker 1: They deserve their victory lap. We will have that in
Speaker 1: a moment or two time and introduce you to somebody
Speaker 1: in Australian politics for at least the next six years.
Speaker 1: More in a set. The very nice silver lining for
Speaker 1: those who's disappointed in the federal election was that one
Speaker 1: nation has had an absolute blinder in the Senate. They've gone,
Speaker 1: of course, from their current two senators from Queensland, they
Speaker 1: now have two more, one coming from New South Wales,
Speaker 1: one coming from Western Australia. Tyrone Whitten is that new
Speaker 1: senator from Western Australian joins us. Now. Congratulations mate, welcome
Speaker 1: to the big stage. How do you feel that you're
Speaker 1: about to go to the madhouse for six years? Well,
Speaker 1: I can't wait, mate.
Speaker 3: There's been a good while coming, a lot of hard
Speaker 3: work by a lot of people to help get me here.
Speaker 3: So yeah, really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: So one nation in Western Australia has been around for
Speaker 1: a long time, has produced senators in the past, has
Speaker 1: members of the Upper House after the last state election.
Speaker 1: It is well and truly no fluke. This is a
Speaker 1: political movement which has been around for a long time
Speaker 1: and in Western Australia has been building for the past
Speaker 1: few years. Did you feel on the campaign trail that
Speaker 1: you had a bit of momentum behind you? Absolutely?
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Everywhere you go people listen and they all have the
Speaker 3: same thoughts as people in one nation. You don't find
Speaker 3: anybody that really differs from the beliefs we have when
Speaker 3: you're out there. I don't know where the people that
Speaker 3: voted for labor are. We can't find them.
Speaker 1: I had a very similar conversation at dinner last night,
Speaker 1: and so hang on, they've got ninety five seats downstairs.
Speaker 1: But you no, no, no, no, no, no, no, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens now. Tell us about yourself. Why
Speaker 1: did you want to get into politics. What was your
Speaker 1: life before politics?
Speaker 3: I had a construction company with my brother and yeah
Speaker 3: we did fairly well, but he's looked at taking my
Speaker 3: shares away. So it freed me up to do something
Speaker 3: I want to do. And I've always said to my kids.
Speaker 3: Don't complain about something, do something about it. So here
Speaker 3: I am. I'm having a crack.
Speaker 1: So you've seen particularly again Malcolm Roberts. Media doesn't ever
Speaker 1: talk about him, won't interview him for all, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want to tell they don't want somebody who's
Speaker 1: going to take them mind in an interview. But he's
Speaker 1: been spectacular when it comes to social media, spectacular when
Speaker 1: it comes to those Senate estimates, asking a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of questions, are you going to try to do something
Speaker 1: similar where? Okay, yes, you know you'll have a chat
Speaker 1: to me, You'll have a chat to lots of different people,
Speaker 1: but you know that you can stand out from the
Speaker 1: crowd by being the one person asking the uncomfortable question.
Speaker 3: Look happy to ask uncomfortable questions. I suggest Malcolm's probably
Speaker 3: a fee bit more articulate than I am. I come
Speaker 3: from a construction industry, so I'm probably a bit more
Speaker 3: of a blond object and I'll come with a lot
Speaker 3: of passion and tough questions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it sounds like my kind of guy. At
Speaker 1: the end of six years, what does success look like
Speaker 1: in terms of a political career going for another six
Speaker 1: What would you like to do if if there's he
Speaker 1: be only got one shot at it. What's the sort
Speaker 1: of stuff you'd like to be able to look back
Speaker 1: on in six years time when we have a conversation
Speaker 1: about re election.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean six years a long time, but
Speaker 3: it'll go pretty quick. So you know, representing the people
Speaker 3: of Western Australia, I've listened to a lot of them
Speaker 3: and I know what they want. They want all the
Speaker 3: nice things we used to have somewhere to put your
Speaker 3: head at night, for starters, but there's so many people
Speaker 3: living rough at the moment, so there's so many issues
Speaker 3: in West Australia similar to the rest of Australia. I
Speaker 3: want to make a difference and look back with pride
Speaker 3: that I had a real go.
Speaker 1: Do you get a sense And I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people and when we were in Cawgooli just
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and I think yourself and Pauline
Speaker 1: were at the Nulla Boar Muster of course as part
Speaker 1: of the run home to the election. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who really feel like there's not many roles
Speaker 1: of the dice left for a traditional Australia and that
Speaker 1: it really matters, and it's about values, and the stakes
Speaker 1: again higher as each month goes by. Do you get
Speaker 1: that fairly?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's slipping through our fingers, and that's
Speaker 3: why I'm here. I couldn't sit back and do nothing anymore.
Speaker 3: So whether I got in or not, it wasn't the
Speaker 3: thought at the start.
Speaker 1: It was just I can't.
Speaker 3: Sit back and do nothing anymore, and that there's so
Speaker 3: many people desperate for somebody to step up and lead
Speaker 3: this country and not take us to armageddon, which feels
Speaker 3: like where we're going at the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, Tyroan, I'll give you a free piece of advice,
Speaker 1: which is stick with the klan that you turn up
Speaker 1: with when you get down there, be suspicious of the
Speaker 1: people who are not nice, be really suspicious of the
Speaker 1: people who were too nice, and just keep your own path.
Speaker 1: And you know, yes, cold window nights, but there'll be
Speaker 1: plenty of people cheering you on from outside that building.
Speaker 1: And keep that spirit that you bring into the building
Speaker 1: as you're there next year, year after year after year
Speaker 1: after and again hopefully a conversation in six years time
Speaker 1: about going around again. Congratulations, what a huge life achievement.
Speaker 1: Well done. Goovna. Thanks for cheers, mate, good stuff. Tyron
Speaker 1: Whitney is his name. Sorry, The Western Stralian senator at
Speaker 1: fought one Nation heading off to Canberra when Parliament comes
Speaker 1: back in July. We break back with more here on
Speaker 1: pal Murray Life. I love a Nimby story not in
Speaker 1: my backyard. The constant complaining of locals about what other
Speaker 1: locals are doing in their areas. Perfect example. Bao Main,
Speaker 1: one of the capitals of the Inner West of Sydney,
Speaker 1: very fast, used to be working class with my grandfather
Speaker 1: if he remember him showing me around the joint where
Speaker 1: they used to line up for work during the depression.
Speaker 1: Right now multi million dollar joints fuller lefties. And there's
Speaker 1: a church, Saint Augustine's Church in Bawmain, has been there
Speaker 1: since nineteen oh seven. Nineteen oh seven. They have a
Speaker 1: bell tower and they ring bell weddings, funerals services. The
Speaker 1: plan in that bell tower is to whack in a
Speaker 1: couple of extra bells. Okay, that's the plan. Locals. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. I know you've been here since nineteen
Speaker 1: oh seven, but I've been here since two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety seven, this perfect, perfect example of sidney wankery. Right.
Speaker 1: Concerns over noise impacts and loss of sleep have been
Speaker 1: raised as a response to have development application from Saint
Speaker 1: Augustine's Church in Bawmain to increase the number of church
Speaker 1: bells one hundred and nineteen year old church. They want
Speaker 1: to whack in eight bells. Plans submitted to by the
Speaker 1: church to win a West council say that yep, there'll
Speaker 1: be bells twenty minutes at a time, sometimes eight thirty
Speaker 1: am latest nine pm. Some submissions to council have stated
Speaker 1: that noise could disturb babies trying to sleep. The bloke
Speaker 1: in charge of the church says, there's a pub across
Speaker 1: the road that's open way later than we are that
Speaker 1: makes way more noise than any bell that we will
Speaker 1: ever ring for any special occasion. I love this. It's
Speaker 1: been there since nineteen oh seven, all right. It has
Speaker 1: literally been around as long as the Baumin tigers. Okay,
Speaker 1: they are allowed to ring the bell. You can put
Speaker 1: up with it because your house will be worth four
Speaker 1: million dollars in three years time, the Royal Report. Right now,
Speaker 1: you're on Sky News