WEBVTT - Woo-Curious | Aubrey Thorne - 920 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:07.480 She said, it's now never I got fighting in my blood. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:09.639 I'm tiff. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.240 This is Roll with the Punches and we're turning life's 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:14.680 hardest hits into wins. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.680 Nobody wants to go to court, and don't. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.279 My friends at test Art Family Lawyers know that they 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.360 offer all forms of alternative dispute resolution. 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I personally I like one woo. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.039 I you know, woo woo is a little much, but 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.120 who I kind of I kind of don't whine. I 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.520 think it wins. Who's Who's saying it and in what spirit, 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.280 you know, like anything cliche or trade, it becomes that way. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.520 But you know, all in all, we need, we seem 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.320 to need a label for everything. So if you know 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.680 the term woo woo helps some people, you know, embrace 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.800 the more esoteric, mysterious side of life, then hey, use it. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.920 You know, well, I love a bit of woo woo, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.080 so woo. I'm gonna call it woo from now. And 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.840 I love a bit of woo. I don't want to 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:54.960 come in over the top. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.040 I was having a little So we got introduced by 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.960 Cam McDonald, doctor Cam McDonald's regular on the show, He's Amazing. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:05.600 Was recently talking. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.000 To him on one of our other shows about a 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.000 very woo a little retreat that he went on and 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.320 a great experience he had, and I was telling you 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.919 actually talking about it with a friend this morning, and 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.760 I love and I think that you will fall in 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.680 the same place because when he mentioned you and I 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.239 had a quick look. You incorporate a whole range of 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.120 different things, and one of those things is pH three sixty. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.640 That's epigenetic personalized health coaching, which I also do. So 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.200 a lot of my listeners, maybe not everyone listening right now. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.840 But a lot of my listeners are familiar with that, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.200 and that's a science. And then you've got astrology, and 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.440 you probably should tell me all the other things. Give 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:53.160 me a give us all an introduction to Aubreythorne. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:59.639 Okay, well, I mean you got it. It's I basically 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:06.040 hobbled together every personalizing modality that i've that you know, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:12.160 that I find has integrity and depth. And yeah, that's 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.640 what it looks like today. It looks like astrology, evolutionary 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:21.720 astrology to be specific, probably, and I can explain what 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:27.079 that is a little bit of medical astrology becoming more 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:32.240 and more the more I start combining astrology with health coaching. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:38.040 The pH three sixty fits really beautifully and with these 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:46.040 other personalization systems, and then I lead quite a bit 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:52.520 of breath work for groups. So I you know, I'm 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.840 sort of after anything that helps people shift into a 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:01.320 healthier state of consciousness or a happier state of being 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:07.600 pretty pretty quickly. And astrology is my you know what 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.560 I use as the shortcut to short sort of like 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.000 just cut out all the overthinking and the like the 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.359 over cycle, you know, the too much psychology in the head. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.279 Let's just get to the awareness piece and turn on 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.880 the lights for who you are. And astrology does that 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:31.520 better than anything I've ever found. And I've sort of 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:36.600 been on this personal, personalized health and happiness journey for 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:43.240 thirty years. And it started with Chinese medicine, and so 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:49.480 I started off in private practice as an acupuncturist, and 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.479 just that's what really kind of turned turned me on 0:04:54.640 --> 0:05:01.600 to this whole idea of people's health, kind of living 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:07.400 on a level that was beyond the body. And ever 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.320 since then, I've just been in love with energetic medicine, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.760 energetic practices, the whole bet. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:20.120 When people land at your doorstep. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:27.839 Looking at astrology specifically, do you find and I guess 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.960 as the ones who are maybe new to be introduced 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.320 to it, Like someone goes, Okay, what's this astrology? 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.159 Think, I'm going to find an astrologist. I'm going to 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.440 learn about it, talk about it. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.120 What's the expectation or what do people tend to be seeking? 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:46.120 And I'd love to know. I guess how do we different? 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.440 How do we have agency in our lives and take 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:55.240 responsibility and also lean on things like astrology and spiritual 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.880 types of practices that almost give us a path right 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:05.280 of an ospiving one. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.080 Okay, uh, there's few a few, I think a few 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:16.080 points in there. One is the people that land at 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:21.000 my doorstep are usually the curious ones to begin with. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.120 So it's people who are doing a significant amount of 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.279 self seeking, whether that and that could be in any 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.359 any wu direction, or it could be through therapy or 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:39.800 any psychological practices. Though these are seekers to begin with, 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.840 you don't get a lot of skeptics knocking on the door. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.800 The other piece of it, which I'm glad you actually highlighted, 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:57.920 is that this this thing called astrology is just a language, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.400 and people speak at an old different kinds of ways. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.640 So there are some some schools of astrology. They speak 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:11.640 in a very deterministic, predictive way. You know, you're a 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.800 Taurus and you have a Harry's moon, and that means 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.720 you always blah blah blah, and you should never date 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:23.320 a Scorpio. And so there's all these very deterministic ways 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:30.280 that people can use astrology or feel feel that that's 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:35.360 astrology's role. I think that's a misuse of astrology, and 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.160 it is. It's actually where astrology has gotten a lot 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.840 of it's bad rap, right because Nobody likes to be pegged. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.400 No one likes to be told you're this, you're that, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.200 you know you should never marry this, or that, you know. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:58.360 We were intelligently resistant to being pegged like that. What 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.680 drew me to astrology, specifically evolutionary astrology, was the fact 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:12.360 that it was the natal chart would describe all of 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:18.240 these tendencies a lot like the pH three sixty describes 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.080 a lot of tendencies. Right, there's your genetics and then 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:26.680 there's your epigenetics. Right. Not every person with the same 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.640 set of genes turns into the same kind of person 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.880 with the same sort of health outcomes, health experiences, the 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:38.000 whole bit. A lot of it depends on our lifestyle, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:47.120 which is, you know, a fancy word for choices. So 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:52.120 astrology is much the same way where we could boil 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.440 someone down to twelve of the Sun sign types, twelve 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.000 of the Moon sign types, twelve of the Venus sign tips, 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.360 and go through other planets. So you've like all these combinations, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.720 and each person is going to use those tendencies in 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:18.680 a completely different way, depending on the external conditions they're 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.440 born into, depending on the people they hang out with, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.240 depending on the struggles they encounter. You know, what they 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.160 have to do versus what they can do. So all 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:36.160 of that kind of elicits pretty much nothing but free will. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:41.240 I have done a little not done. I've been interested 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.120 in human design previously. I'd heard about that before, and 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.240 I know one percent of it, but I like the 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.600 I it interests me and intrigues me. And one thing 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.560 as you were talking, one thing I had done recently 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.280 was looking at the correlations between who is to the 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.040 activator in pH Three sixty and what does that mean behaviorally, 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:08.840 and then aligning that with also who is tiff in 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.160 human design and what tendencies come and overlap and overlay. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.640 And it's really interesting how there's so many different systems 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:17.800 that we can start to. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.400 Understand our tendencies. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:26.760 And it's for me as both a seeker and a skeptic, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:31.440 a healthy doses of both. It's really nice to explore 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.120 different things and see them overlap and go, oh that 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:34.679 makes sense. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:35.719 Oh that makes sense too. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.839 We've all got these different things, different areas we can 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.119 look at to learn about ourselves. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:48.719 Yeah, And the point is to learn about ourselves. It's 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.840 it's to use a tool or a language in a 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:58.760 way that sparks some insates, right, It's the whole point 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.560 is insates not just a big fire hose of information. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.960 That's why I can't stand when people like speak like 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.439 speak astrology like you know, it's it's uh. We can't 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:16.600 just sort of spew a bunch of information at people. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.000 This is an awareness tool. The whole point is to 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.439 get somebody to see themselves in a way that suddenly 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:30.959 feels actually very true, and then they can't unsee it. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:37.760 And then from that picture of truth, there there tend 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.040 to be lots of aha moments that kind of just 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:46.800 continue to unfold throughout life, where you see yourself behaving 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.640 in a certain way, you're like, oh, that's what south 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.200 Noe libra means because you see it in action. But 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.440 you wouldn't see it in action unless someone had shined 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.480 a spotlight on this amazing thing called a natal chart. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.120 So it's for me the way I use it, it's all 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:12.240 about consciousness. It's like, do you see yourself fully? And 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.840 can you continue to see yourself more and more and 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.160 more fully because the whole, the whole, that's the whole point. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.079 The whole point is to see see all the little 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:30.240 pieces of ourselves that we're either not using and that 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:35.640 need to be expressed, or that we're overusing and we're 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:39.800 causing damage and self sabotage because we just keep on 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.480 doing the same old thing. You know, But if the 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.160 whole point is to see it, then you see it 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.360 and then you make a new choice. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.040 Much like I guess. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.600 Other the labels, you know, like mental health labels and 0:12:54.800 --> 0:13:01.959 personality labels can astrology if this if the person like yourself, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.040 I don't know, astrologer or practitioner. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.280 Or whatever the I mean? Yeah, if. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.920 Are you responsible for ensuring that that these these labels 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:19.960 don't become anchors and excuses rather than insights and ways 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.640 that can unlock choices of behavior. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.560 They think about. You know, we go, oh, like I'm 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:27.040 a tourist. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.440 Oh well, I'm just stubborn, you know how we like 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.120 to go, Yeah, well I'm under I'm adhd so I'm 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.040 always this instead of using it in a way to 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.400 go I understand I have a tendency for this type 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.640 of behavior, so I can do this, this and this 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.199 about it is the same or no. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.560 It should be, Yeah it should be. It's it doesn't 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.440 tend again, it doesn't. That's that's not the way I 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:56.520 see it most popularly being spoken about and used. I am. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.760 I teach in a school to train other astrologers to 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:06.520 become a professional astrologers, and they're the most brilliant students, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:13.600 and yet everyone, including myself, sometimes has to stop in 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:18.600 their tracks and say, wait a second, I'm doing the 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:23.240 labeling thing of astrology. It's a very easy trap to 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.520 fall into because that's kind of how we've always known 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.640 astrology in this label lee way. What I try to 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:39.040 do is to constantly remember that it's not that you're 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.600 a Taurus. Are you a Taurus? 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:41.280 Yeah? 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:47.040 Okay, good guess okay before that, that it's not that 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.480 you are a Taurus. It's that you came here to 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:55.880 learn how to be a fantastic taurtis. You came here 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.760 to learn how to do Taurus like at the highest level. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.800 And if I do my job correctly in a reading, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.000 what you leave with is the very clear sense of 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.000 what it looks like when you're doing a great job 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:15.400 making high choices for your chart, and what it looks 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.000 like when you're not. And that's what you see and 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:23.560 you're like, oh, so that that's stuckness, then that Taurus 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.280 like stasis that Taurus loves to be comfortable and likes 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.080 to be practical and kind of don't don't make any 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.280 changes here. You can see when you're making that choice 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:40.120 for stability out of maybe like a fear response, a 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:44.000 fear of change, a fear of you know, just not 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.600 liking change, or you can see when it's adding practical 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.520 value to the situation. There's no one way to be 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:56.440 a good Taurus. It's just that are you in the 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:01.200 situation or the context specific you know event, and what's 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.240 called for? Like are you are you doubling down and 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:10.760 repeating old patterns or does does your excellent skill set 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.000 come in handy right now? 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.400 I love that. I love that. That's really cool. You 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.720 mentioned evolutionary astrology astrology before. Can you talk about that. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.120 Yeah, it's it's a it's a name that was so 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.800 it was. It's a Western astrology, just like we know 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:36.800 astrology as opposed to like you know, Asian forms of astrology, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:42.560 Chinese astrology, betach astrology. Western astrology tends to be very psychological. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:49.840 Evolutionary astrology has this added layer to it a real well, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.800 it's a it's a real it's a specific lens that 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.840 it basically says, every single person is able to grow 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:06.120 through through their natal chart. It's so My teacher, Stephen Forrest, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:11.640 was one of the founders of evolutionary astrology, and he's 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.880 the one who, for the first time when I heard 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.959 him talk about astrology, was the one who loosened up 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.600 these labels and taught me like, oh, I mean, I'm 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.640 not a pisces. I'm learning how to bet a pisce's 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.960 I'm growing into becoming a better and better and better 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:37.760 and more well expressed pisces. So it's an evolutionary astrology 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:43.400 is an astrology of consciousness. Ultimately, it's to help people grow, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.399 to help people heal, and to help people make really 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.240 great choices based on who they individually are and what 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:58.760 they individually need because everybody, everybody's version of everything is 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.560 so different on their natal chart. No one person's fear 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.840 is the same as another person's fear. No one's person's 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.320 courage is the same as another person's courage. No one's 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:17.639 relationship like karma is the same as another person's relationship karma. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.960 And that's another big piece of evolutionary astrology is like, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.280 is what did you incarnate with? What lessons did you 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.800 did you were you born with? What issues did you 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.240 come in with? What automatic reaction to life was yours 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.399 when you came in there? We all have an emotional 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.040 reaction to life. It's instant. It's anyone who's ever met 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.919 a baby, that first two three seconds of life. We 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:49.520 see there's a personality there, there's someone home, and so 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:56.760 you know, you can suppose that that personality, that sort 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:03.840 of automatic reaction to life from another time and place 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.200 or space. Now that said people have to like fall 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:13.199 like right into and buy into reincarnation, but it is 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.000 it is a big piece of the puzzle that I 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:16.399 think makes perfect sense. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.960 What about the medical astrology. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:28.199 So I I love medical astrology because it kind of 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.760 was the first that was that was more how astrology 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.359 was initially used. I mean it astrology as it was 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.480 practiced in the medieval times and before and you know, 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.480 during the early Renaissance, you know, before the before the Enlightenment. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.680 It was it was medical astrology. It was well, there 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.520 was a lot of predictive work, but there was a 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.800 lot of using it to figure out how the human 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:00.560 body worked and how the human body sort of syncd 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:05.520 up with seasons, and to understand the different energetics of 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.399 the body as they went out of balance, you know 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:15.560 or not or you know, there was a lot of there. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.080 There was a lot of correlation between the natural world 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:25.960 and the human experience, and that was translated really forensically, 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.800 like very in a very detailed way into what we 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:35.480 now know is medical astrology. But it's it's just these 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:41.399 old correlations that go way way back that that that 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.760 take each each sign of the zodiac and each planet 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:50.760 and assigned body parts and body functions to to the 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.480 symbols in the chart, and you can tell a lot 0:20:54.480 --> 0:21:04.680 about someone's innate strengths and weaknesses and maybe like genetic tendencies. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.680 Not I don't use it in such a detailed way 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.960 that maybe other medical astrologers are emboldened to use it 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:18.120 because I'm not a classical medical astrologer. In the classical 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.920 they've practiced more in an ancient Greek kind of way. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.880 They're they're going to dive a lot more boldly and 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:31.800 deeply into the territory of sort of reading a chart 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:37.919 to say, oh, you need more warm drinks this month, 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:44.160 and be careful when you're walking, and you know, they'll 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:49.080 get very detailed about it, which can be helpful, and 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.960 I would imagine with the wrong client could make you 0:21:53.200 --> 0:22:00.720 quite neurotic to so what I what I'll bring this home. 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.800 But what I really love about the medical astrology piece 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:12.400 is you can see where and how someone might get 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:17.920 easily stressed, and that could be mental stress, or physical stress, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:23.680 or even spiritual stress. When we can describe the nature 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:32.720 and potential of how someone experiences stress, we've just gone 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:37.440 a long way towards how to mitigate stress. And since 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:43.120 stress is like eighty ninety percent of the root cause 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:48.200 for all chronic disease, you know, untreated, that's where I 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.639 really fall in love with medical astrology, where like I 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.800 can talk to someone about their stress, what may be 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:02.040 causing it, how to remedy it, best practices for this 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:08.280 particular person versus that person, that person, that person, and 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.879 sort of it kind of Deboogyman's stress, Right, Stress is 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.560 not just this one thing that we're all trying to avoid. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.840 That that's how we talk about it, you know, like, hey, Tiffany, 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.800 you got to avoid stress or lower that stress or 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:28.320 it's so generalized, But how you experience stress or have 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.639 a relationship to stress is completely different than I experience stress. 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.200 It's like it doesn't. It might not even it might 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.920 be so different it might deserve a completely different name. 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.840 So that's how I use medical astrology to look at 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:51.239 that that innate level of potential weakness or things that 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.159 drain drain us like how to and how to how 0:23:55.200 --> 0:24:01.000 to stop the drain, support the weakness, and maybe like 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:06.960 play up the strengths in someone's physiology or someone's like constitution. 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.639 How did you come across pH v sixt And what 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:13.239 was the draw card for you? 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:14.960 What made you want to explore this. 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:23.880 And how has it overlayed what you know about medical astrology? 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:29.960 So I came across pH three sixty. I believe I 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:35.960 was taking a course with an Australian astrologer and naturopath, 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:41.280 Kira Sutherland, and I really I really love her work 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.760 and the way, you know, I sort of love everything 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:48.959 she does. And she might have mentioned blah blah blah 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.639 health types or blah blah blah decision health like I 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.320 don't even know, because I've taken so many of her courses, 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.119 but I'm sure I looked it up. That would be 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:02.000 the only way I would have found it and guessing 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:07.160 and yeah, I'm pretty sure it was through Kira. It 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:11.920 was a fantastic She is more of a classical medical 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.920 astrologer as opposed to the way I'm using it. I'm 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.360 using it in a very evolutionary astrology way where I 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:24.000 want I want to arm people with not that she doesn't. 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.760 She does all of that. She arms people and empowers 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:33.160 them to do what they can to. Why don't I can't. 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:34.840 I can't speak for her. I don't know what she does. 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.879 She's brilliant. She's brilliant, she knows what she's doing. And 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.040 I have tried to learn from her and then apply 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:44.960 it to my evolutionary astrology ideas, which is, where are 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.040 you leaking energy and repeating that Haber habits and causing 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.280 yourself stress? And what can you do about it? And 0:25:52.320 --> 0:26:00.320 then so the pH three So it has been let's see, 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:05.000 we have the health types sort of framework, and we 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:10.080 have the astrological framework, and I, honestly I don't try 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:15.439 to overlap them at all. I tried for years to 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:21.000 overlap like Chinese medicine, Chinese astrology and Western astrology, and 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:25.399 I drove myself batshit crazy, like I was. I was. 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:31.440 It's impossible. It's like trying to constantly compare French and 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:37.560 German and see how they overlap root word wise and 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.280 how they don't. And after a certain point you're like, 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:46.280 who cares, Like, let this one be a language and 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:52.240 this one be a language, right, So I don't really 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.680 overlap them. What I do is I kind of dip 0:26:55.760 --> 0:27:01.399 in and out depending on how depends on what somebody needs. 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:03.720 Yeah. 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:08.800 I have a feeling that over over the course of time, 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.240 I will start to seem more overlap, especially in the 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:20.879 psychological profile parts of the gauge three sixty. You know, 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:28.040 there's really interesting psychological insights and reflections. Yeah, but I 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:33.840 don't see any overlap between say, like you know, all 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:37.880 diplomats tend to be Taurus and Capricorn. I don't see 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:42.600 that at all. I see every possible element being represented 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:49.919 in the precision health types, and it doesn't seem to 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:55.520 correlate really. So that's not to say that it doesn't somewhere, 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.520 but I haven't I haven't cracked it. 0:27:58.320 --> 0:27:59.840 Yeah, does it give you. 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.600 More clarity or is it like, how do you know 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.240 which of the two to lean into when you're dealing 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:15.480 with somebody? Or is it is it personality wise that 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.920 dictates which of the two modalities you want to speak 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:20.800 to more. 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:29.119 Uh. Now, it's it's pretty much like what's someone looking 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:34.119 for in my coaching. So if they've got like for 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:39.760 my weight loss clients, I'm I use pH three point 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.280 I sort of point them to pH three sixty much 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.880 more right. We have a lot to look at in 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:50.880 the natal chart, but when it comes to figuring out 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.280 like what foods are right for somebody, we go to 0:28:55.320 --> 0:29:00.160 pH three sixty or movement like the natal chart will say. 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.080 The natal chart will say you need to move, you 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.360 need to move, and you need to move your big 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:13.040 muscle groups like like thighs and glutes and like. I 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:17.600 can see that in the natal chart, but pH three 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.880 sixty is going to get much more detailed about your 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:27.440 whole your whole body and different ways to move it. Right, 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.080 Because I'm not a trainer, so I'm not going to 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.120 try to advise someone from natal chart you know, how 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.560 they should move their body. And I'm also non a nutritionist, 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:42.520 so I probably could pass an exam in mind at 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:48.000