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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another bloody installment of

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Speaker 1: the YOU Project. It's Harps. Who else would it be?

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Speaker 1: Same bloke that's been either last seven seventeen hundred or

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Speaker 1: something and fifteen times or something like that. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 1: back again. It's a Friday in the thriving metropolis. It's

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Speaker 1: just gone midday here. And the other day. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: week ago, maybe two weeks ago, a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: Fergus Watt's the great man, the Big Ferg, sent me

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Speaker 1: a message and said, there's this shifty, dodgy bloke that

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Speaker 1: I know. No, he didn't say that, he didn't say

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Speaker 1: kind of did No, he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He said there's.

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Speaker 1: A maid of mine who's got a really interesting story.

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Speaker 1: And he was not lying. And so I caught up

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Speaker 1: with this interesting bloke with an interesting story last week.

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Speaker 1: His name's DeAndre Rix. He's a good dude. And I went, mate,

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Speaker 1: let's jump on and have a chat on the U project,

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Speaker 1: because I think your story will resonate and your energy

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Speaker 1: will resonate. And here is hi, mate. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks Greg? Thanks me, I'm great. I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks thanks for being Thanks for being had mate.

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Speaker 1: I don't reckon. Too many people would have had you

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Speaker 1: over the years. I reckon, You're pretty fucking quick on

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Speaker 1: your feet, weren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I would have been never convisioned

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Speaker 3: myself on the podcast or anything that much.

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Speaker 1: I'll look at you. Is this podcast one for you?

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Speaker 2: This is podcast one?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is this is your debut, mate, this is

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Speaker 1: your day. This has got and you started at the top.

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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, it's all done, he says, humbly. So it's

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Speaker 1: let's start with. How do you know ferg so ferg

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Speaker 1: of course was He was the CEO of Reach and

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Speaker 1: he's still i think involved on the board. Fergus Watts

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Speaker 1: the great man and his dad was the boss. Did

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Speaker 1: you know that his bat dad, Jim was the CEO

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Speaker 1: of St Kilda Footy Club? Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: I had no idea that's how he got into the footy.

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Speaker 2: That's good to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day. And well he played footy

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Speaker 1: of course for Adelaide and he had a few injury

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Speaker 1: woes and he was he wasn't a superstar, but he

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Speaker 1: would admit that he wasn't a superstar, but He was

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Speaker 1: definitely a pretty solid player. Had a few injury problems,

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Speaker 1: but he's been all over the world and done a

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Speaker 1: lot of things alongside his brother Jack. How did you

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Speaker 1: two meet?

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Speaker 3: So he he'd messaged me from a Google lad that

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Speaker 3: I'd put up maybe a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: Now he actually thought that I was some other dude.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, but with like bald hair and

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Speaker 3: a mullet and tattoos all over his face, and for

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Speaker 3: I think he came down and got a big surprise

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Speaker 3: that it was me. I go, look, if you're going

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Speaker 3: to stay with me, I whakatato or me if it

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Speaker 3: makes you happy. But now that's how I met him,

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Speaker 3: and then I started training him and three other blokes.

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Speaker 3: I trained them every Tuesday and Friday out of my

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Speaker 1: What's your general democrat? Like we were talking the other day. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've said this a lot over the years,

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Speaker 1: Like people say to me things like, oh, the fitness

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Speaker 1: industry is saturated, personal training saturated. You can't you know,

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Speaker 1: there's too many trainers, there's not I'm like, well, if

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Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing, you're going to be busy. Right. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised the number of cafes that open up in

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck are they busy? There's thirty

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Speaker 1: seven other cafes, but they're doing all right. And I

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Speaker 1: think that, you know, like any industry, there are good

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Speaker 1: trainers and bad trainers. There are good doctors and bad doctors,

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Speaker 1: good bricklayers and bad bricklayers, good taxi drivers and bad

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Speaker 1: taxi drivers. You know. So, but I said to you

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Speaker 1: the other day, so you work from your garage, which

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Speaker 1: is cool, as do many people, but you know it's

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Speaker 1: not exactly a fitness first we're ten million dollars worth

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, no way.

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Speaker 1: And I mean that respectfully because my beginnings were in

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Speaker 1: many sessions. We're not going to talk about money, so

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Speaker 1: don't panic, but how many sessions a day do you do?

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Speaker 1: And I think you said to me about eleven.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, sometimes a little bit more if I'm

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Speaker 3: being cheeky, but yeah, just grind, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd like to answer your first question.

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Speaker 3: It's not about like how many fitness trainers there are,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not even when I started, I didn't

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Speaker 3: it wasn't even on my head. It was like, this

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Speaker 3: is what I'm going to do, this is what I

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Speaker 2: To do whatever it takes to be this person. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that you know that obviously shows in

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Speaker 3: the amount of sessions sometimes you have to do to

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Speaker 1: So and it's like, I'm not going to tell anyone

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Speaker 1: what you earned, but I know what you earn, and

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Speaker 1: it's very good money. But you work very hard, lots

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Speaker 1: of hours. Your your rate is up there and what

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Speaker 1: that's a testament. And this ain't about money everyone, This

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Speaker 1: is about what you can do with not much. This

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Speaker 1: is what I love. So you work in your garage

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Speaker 1: with minimal equipment, and you do on average, eleven or

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Speaker 1: more sessions a day, five days a week, and you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I just started opening up, so I started doing Sundays

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Speaker 1: You know I love that. And you know, so with minimal,

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Speaker 1: You know, you're building this amazing business and you're and

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Speaker 1: you're about to open up a proper place, mate, like

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Speaker 2: The garage, big boys stuff.

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Speaker 1: Man, how do you feel about because I did that.

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Speaker 1: When I did that was fuck nine ninety dude, So

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Speaker 1: you weren't you were just oh you weren't even born.

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Speaker 1: When were you born?

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Speaker 2: Ninety one ninety one? Got me?

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Speaker 1: That's annoying.

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Speaker 2: I was in I was in the valley somewhere. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably just hanging out weight and you're like,

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Speaker 1: he's the first, but I will be the best. That's

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Speaker 1: what you were thinking. Yeah. So when I opened up

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Speaker 1: because you've been running a business. But I knew very

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Speaker 1: little about business, about marketing, about branding. You know, I

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Speaker 1: service and meeting people's needs and communication. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: you know, coming for We'll talk about where you came

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Speaker 1: from a few years ago, but it's fair to say

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Speaker 1: you stepped out of a pretty tough environment into doing

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Speaker 1: what you did in the garage. What have been the

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Speaker 1: what have been the lessons for you building a business,

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Speaker 1: like building a brand literally starting from scratch with I

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Speaker 1: think you told me you had like a fucking chin

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the lessons are, you can always get to

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Speaker 3: where you want as long as you're ready to put

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Speaker 3: that work in. I think you can outwork everything no

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Speaker 3: matter how many mistakes you make. If you can just

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Speaker 3: keep showing up every single day, every hour. If you

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Speaker 3: have to work ten, twelve, thirteen hours, so be it,

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Speaker 3: you do that on repeat, it's going to happen. You

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Speaker 3: you know, these days it's pretty hard for people, which

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was that that's the lesson.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of trainers around that are cheaper

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Speaker 1: than you. This is not a loaded question, right, I'm

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Speaker 1: interested in I've always been like even with what I do,

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Speaker 1: which my main job in Inverted Commas is corporate speaking,

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Speaker 1: and the range for a corporate speaker for an hour

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Speaker 1: and now, believe it or not, which is obviously very

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Speaker 1: of what people would charge for PT these days. What

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Speaker 1: is it that you do that makes people like, especially

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Speaker 3: I think experience education. I've always up my education. I'll

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Speaker 3: wake up every morning four point thirty, read a book,

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Speaker 2: Starting out, I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, I said, Australian people with water bottles in

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Speaker 3: was doing that for free. I was doing that for free,

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Speaker 2: And then I was doing ten dollar group.

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Speaker 3: I've got this education background. I did, you know, not

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Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I am okay what I do.

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Speaker 3: So then I kept my prices up again, and then

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Speaker 3: again I just keep on backing myself and I just

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Speaker 3: keep on learning and growing, and I'm finding out the

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Speaker 3: more you know in this field and you yourself, the

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Speaker 3: more you know, the less you know, and you start

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Speaker 3: to kind of things that you used to say and do,

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Speaker 3: and you kind of like it all kind of folds

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's how I set myself apart from everyone.

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Speaker 3: It's that it's my experience, it's my results. You know,

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Speaker 3: I've done this in different environments and I've seen the

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Speaker 3: same results. I've been in environments where you didn't have

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Speaker 3: train them this way, look at how they recover, and

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Speaker 3: Going to learn how to respect our word again, that's it.

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Speaker 1: So yes, so you wal, can you talk? So you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3: I'm blushing, all right, short version, Okay, So I grew

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Speaker 1: Getting your shit together? Can you marry that woman? Please?

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Speaker 1: Away hang on champ all right, what hit the pause button?

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Speaker 1: Selling a quilo of what?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea about drugs. I'm the most boring

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Speaker 2: Now? About two hundred grand?

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Speaker 3: Fu?

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Speaker 1: Could he fuck? Batman? All right? So you had a

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, at a safehouse, pills and guns and all

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Speaker 1: And what's a safe house? What does that mean? Like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to make a short for you that no,

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Speaker 4: You well, but I'm pretty good judge of character, and

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Speaker 1: Like he's actually a good dude. I'm sure you've done

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, all right, So so you had a safe

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Speaker 2: With a kilo of coke. So I saw the killer

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so at a safe house is where you

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Speaker 2: I got investigated for a year.

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean practically? What's happening? Like, how

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Speaker 3: It comes up in my brief right when I get arrested,

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Speaker 3: But it looks like you're paranoid because you're looking like

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Speaker 3: But do you think you know, it's pretty it's pretty

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Speaker 3: right on? Or is it you actually people are following you?

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00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, so people follow me. They bugged my house,

436
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 3: they bugged my car.

437
00:20:59,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: What else?

438
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 3: They bugged the safe house around there so they could

439
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: see who was coming in. They had cameras cars set

440
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 3: up with cameras facing at the car.

441
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: They've just leave these cars there. So yeah, I was.

442
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 3: I was on all all views so and I was

443
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 3: just continue doing what I'm doing. I kind of had

444
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: a pretty good awareness that I was being followed at

445
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: the time, and I just, I don't know. I thought

446
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 3: I was being safer than I was. We had cryptid

447
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: phones back then called blackberries. They've they've done now, but

448
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: were just you could say whatever you wanted on them

449
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: and never get caught. But yeah, you know those, I

450
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 3: was using those, and I wasn't going to the safe

451
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 3: house myself. I thought I was doing everything safe, but

452
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 3: obviously not safe enough. It just takes one person to

453
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: say one thing and then the whole world comes down.

454
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, twenty sixteen November, I was two dudes in

455
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: high VI's uniforms came to my front door. I saw

456
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: them drive up the driveway. I was kicking back playing PlayStation.

457
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: I opened the door and his guys in hybers uniforms

458
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: with the battering round behind.

459
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: Them, freeze you're under arrest, and I kind of saw

460
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: the battering ram, so I I kind of knew I.

461
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 3: Was being arrested already, and I turned around already and

462
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: they just grabbed me, you know, went through my house.

463
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: I thought I was sweet because I didn't have anything

464
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: at my house. And then they started talking about the

465
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: safe house and I was like, fuck, I'm done. Yeah,

466
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: and I knew I was fucked, you know, and you know,

467
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: I went into jail.

468
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 2: I went to the mat. Tell people what that is.

469
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Tell people that that's an assessment prison.

470
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 3: So they go there and they assess you whether you've

471
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: got mental health issues or you know, you know, you

472
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: don't fit in with the other crowds, and then they

473
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: send you to where you think you should go. So

474
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: they assessed me. They thought it was a great idea

475
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: to send me to Port Phillip prisons. That's the worst

476
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: where you want to go. But that's where I went.

477
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: So, hey, I'm sorry, this is all interesting to us, right,

478
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: So tell us just thirty sixty seconds on Port Philip prison,

479
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: What is that like and why is that the worst

480
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: place to go?

481
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: A rated?

482
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: A rating, A security rating. So it means that you know,

483
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 3: you've everything's really segregated, all right, So because there's you

484
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: can't you know, this unit can't contact with this unit

485
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: because someone will get stabbed. Not to mention that people

486
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: are getting stabbed almost every second day in jail anyway,

487
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: in their little unit because you know, someone's bought over

488
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: drugs or whatever. But yeah, that's that's Port Philip Prison.

489
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 3: It's really segregated. It's where all the murderers and stuff

490
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: go that don't want to conform, they don't want to

491
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: get better.

492
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 2: But I was on remand here two years.

493
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: I was awaiting my case to happen, so because it

494
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 3: was conceived to be a big case, they just left

495
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: me in Port Philip Prison. So I go and I

496
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 3: didn't get sentenced for about nine months. I was on

497
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: remand for nine months to gauge, which was slucked because

498
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 3: you're always thinking what's going on. But yeah, I kind

499
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: of was the day I got arrested. Man, to be honest,

500
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: when I got to jail, I was kind of like

501
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: I was a bit relieved, right because at that time,

502
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: like I said, I was like looking over my shoulder.

503
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: I was paranoid, you know.

504
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: I was always on the phone, just like messaging, sending

505
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: people everywhere, Like I was hustling, like I was.

506
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: I was grinding every second, just like I am now.

507
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: I was actually grinding right, it just wasn't in the

508
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: right field unfortunately. And you know, that relief was gave.

509
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: Me a chance to reflect on my life, like I'd

510
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 3: never had a time to like sit down and reflect.

511
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, from twelve years old, I was punching

512
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 3: on and again in the fights and drinking and like

513
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: I was just everything was just like a big snowball

514
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: all the time. And that moment for me was finally like,

515
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: oh hey, hey, mind, let's chat, let's think of bit

516
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: so wow.

517
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: And you you, I mean, it seems to me like

518
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: it was just ongoing chaos. And you never really as

519
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: you said to me when we had a chat at

520
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: the cafe, it's like you said the same thing you

521
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: said when I got to jail. It was like you

522
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: could take a big breath. And because you never were

523
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: not busy or it was never not chaotic, or especially

524
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: in the years leading up to jail, you were never

525
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: not worried or looking over your shoulder or thinking about

526
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: who can I trust, who should I, who can't I,

527
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: who's going to come through? Like that is not you know,

528
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: as you now know for ones, because you're an exercise scientists,

529
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: that's not great for a person's nervous system or mental

530
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: health or emotional health. And I mean, well, you deserved it.

531
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: You're a fucking drug dealers. I don't feel sorry for you.

532
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, yeah, that's that's going to happen.

533
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: So was it. I mean it sounds silly, but it's

534
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: almost like it was a relief to get busted.

535
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

536
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a massive rely Like I didn't want

537
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: to I didn't want to sell drugs, Like I actually

538
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: didn't want to do that completely. I was stuck in

539
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: the game. I had so much supply it and I

540
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 3: was like, this has to go and people own your

541
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: money and you just it's a constance like people owe

542
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: your money, they haven't paid you enough back, so I

543
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: have to get a little bit of supply to support them.

544
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: Then you end up with a little bit more supply

545
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: and it just builds, just like this constant thing. And

546
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, this is ever going to end

547
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: it up. I was trying, but it just wasn't fast enough.

548
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I find interesting, And we'll learn

549
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more about your time in prison in

550
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: a minute, but like not in a good way, in

551
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: a bad way, but also on a level you were

552
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: learning about business and transactions and people, and you know,

553
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: like I wish you had chosen a better field initially,

554
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: but I mean, if you can do that under that pressure,

555
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: like you clearly all but misplaced, but you had a

556
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: good work ethic, right and now you've kind of just

557
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: transferred that to something legit. I mean it's more than that,

558
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: but on a level, you've kind of used that same

559
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: hustle and tenacity and energy for good not evil grasshopper.

560
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I guess so, I guess

561
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: you get a little bit better at speaking to people

562
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: as well. I've been held at gunpoint before that to

563
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: talk my way out of it, you know what I mean?

564
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: Like wow, So like wow, being in.

565
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: That position and just being how to have like the

566
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: power of the tongue somehow, which I never thought I

567
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: did have any sort of skill like that, it definitely

568
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: transfers into what I'm doing now.

569
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: How Like? And then how long did you spend in prison?

570
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: So? I did four years in jail and then I

571
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: got sent So I got sentenced to six years and

572
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 3: three months in prison.

573
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: I wanted to get out three years nine months.

574
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: That kept me over a month or two, and then

575
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: I was released just a month after my daughter's birthday.

576
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: She was annoying because I wanted to get up on

577
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: her birthday and I didn't.

578
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: And So tell us about adjusting. Tell us about the

579
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: first week months, a few months being in prison, understanding

580
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do, the culture, the language,

581
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: fucking safety danger. Tell us about that.

582
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the first day I got into prison, Well,

583
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: the first day I got into a poor philip. Let's say,

584
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: I go up there. I go up to my cell.

585
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: It's a three cell. I walk up there, and three

586
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: blokes in there. They go, hey, it's going on, brother,

587
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: shake my hand, we're going to go run up on

588
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: this guy. And I'm like okay, and I put my

589
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: bag down and there's a group of plagues and they

590
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: all open up this.

591
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Part in the shower. It's like this little plastic and

592
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: they all pull out shifts.

593
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: So tell people, I'm sure half none.

594
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: That's a made up night, right. They give me one,

595
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: they give everyone else one, And I'm not going to

596
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: say no. I don't want to look like a bitch.

597
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: We're on, you know, because I think that's a key

598
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: point to like show yourself.

599
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: I was I was like, fuck, I don't want to

600
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: do this. I don't want to do this. I don't

601
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: want to do this.

602
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: And I was like walking down the steps with this

603
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: shift down my pants, ready to go and get this guy.

604
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: For the reason I have no idea, right, but the

605
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: group is and I don't want to be left out.

606
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to get pulled on.

607
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: I don't want you know, bad things happen if you

608
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: pull out of situations like that in jail, and I'm

609
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: like I walk in there, I'm like, sure you want

610
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: to do this, like we're ready, Like what did you do?

611
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to ask questions and.

612
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: I feel like, is there another way? Fellas?

613
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: And I get down to the to the cell and

614
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: these boys are right in front. I'm right at the back, man,

615
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm right at the back. So these guys run in

616
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: there and just start attacking this dude. This dude's eyes

617
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: falling out of his head like they've absolutely bad at him.

618
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. I kind of walk really slowly. I

619
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: didn't make it in there in times by a coincidence,

620
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: and this guy comes flying out. You know, all these

621
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: screws come out. Screws are just like prison officers. It's

622
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: like they've got toggies as well, which are like they're

623
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: like heavy duty.

624
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: Prison officers will call.

625
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: Them special Operations group, like.

626
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever you want to call them.

627
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: And they they come in and they start grabbing everyone,

628
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: pulling everyone to their cells.

629
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: I've launched this ship. I've launched it outside.

630
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: In this time, and I'm getting put into my cell

631
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: and I'm like, fuck, if there's any more ships in there.

632
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: I'm in the slot for you know, three months. I'm

633
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: not getting visits from my kids, Like this is my

634
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: first day. You fucked up? What's wrong with you? You know,

635
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm talking to myself by this. I go up there,

636
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: I look in the flask and there's no more ships,

637
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: so the boys are taking them all and I'm in

638
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: there by myself, and I'm like, thank fucking God.

639
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: Like that would have been a turning point for me

640
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: in jail.

641
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: If I'd been caught with that, where I would have

642
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: ended up in the slot, I would have met around.

643
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: I would have been around more heavier people that are

644
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: interested in that stuff. I would have kind of been

645
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: around those type of people as well, doing the stuff

646
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: that they're doing.

647
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: But instead I was saved. I guess we'll call it.

648
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: And from that moment on, I'm you know, definitely treaded

649
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: a lot more lightly in jail.

650
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Ah. So do you feel like if in that moment,

651
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: because you've just got in jail, like proper jail, grown up,

652
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: big boy, fucking terrifying jail, and these blokes go all right,

653
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: here's a ship. You're with us, We're going to do this.

654
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: So you're like, on the one hand, you don't want

655
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: to go do that because you don't want to stab

656
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: someone anyway and you don't know who they are and

657
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: you've got no reason to. But also you in your words,

658
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a bitch. Right, this is

659
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: this is a fucking this is a psychological dilemma? Yeah,

660
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: how many how many of those did you have to

661
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: deal with? Like where you've kind of want to you

662
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: need to kind of fit in, but you don't want

663
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: to be doing bad shit but you're in prison.

664
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where I.

665
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: Kind of like because I done, man to be honest,

666
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: like when I got locked up, that was rock bottom

667
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: for me, for me getting locked up like away from

668
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: my kids.

669
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: I've done all that. Like like I said, I was

670
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: when I was twelve years old. I was punching on.

671
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: Rubbing ceiling, Like I've been through that already, Like I've

672
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: grown up. I've grown up from that era already, Like

673
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: I was done with it, Like I became a carp

674
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: and I dropped out of school and became a carp

675
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: and I met Demi and all that, Like I was

676
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: already on the way up until I breacked my leg.

677
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 2: So I had this.

678
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: I was already finished with that life right And I

679
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 3: was put back in here from obviously the dealing, and

680
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: I was then exposed to it again and a new people.

681
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: And when I was in jail, like I started reading

682
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: my first I read my first book in there, I

683
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: started reading you know, mental health magazines and applying it

684
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: and then you know, using it and training people in there.

685
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: So I started to build my identity in there that

686
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 3: I am going to now help people.

687
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to now be I was.

688
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: Already put in my head that I was going to

689
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: train people when I was getting out. This was when

690
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: I first got in because I finally found a love

691
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: and a passion for fitness whilst I was in there,

692
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: got myself fit, you know, I was always a fact

693
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: y growing up, and got my self fit, got others fit,

694
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: and I became. I made that identity for myself, right,

695
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: I wasn't, but I made it. I created it, and

696
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: it was the identity for me that allowed me to

697
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: escape those situations because I had people knew me as

698
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: I was like training double murderers and stuff like that,

699
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: yelling at them, tell them to get on the floor

700
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So and they came to me

701
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: for help and advice, so they knew that's what I

702
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: was about. They saw me walk to my cell with

703
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: a stack of books and append on the paper and

704
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: I was going to sit in my cell all day

705
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: and read and.

706
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: Write and do all that stuff.

707
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: So for me, as my time in jail went on,

708
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: people didn't expect that from me anymore.

709
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: So it was it was pretty all in that sense, was.

710
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: There A that's great, mate? I love that. I love

711
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: that in the middle of an environment that's completely not

712
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: conducive to learning and studying and self improvement, it's like

713
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: the fucking opposite, right, and in the middle of the shitfest.

714
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: So to my listeners, you know, I love you, but

715
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: also you can do amazing shit in the middle of

716
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the worst invironment, you know. Obviously, so was there, Like,

717
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: what's the term was there? Like, was there a tipping point?

718
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Like did something happen? I mean other than you got

719
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: put inside right?

720
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: Well?

721
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: Was that it? Or did you go one day fuck this,

722
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to be this anymore? Or did you

723
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: have a picture of yourself being a thirty five year

724
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: old fucking loser? Like what did something? Like for a

725
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: lot of people, the turning point is some kind of

726
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: internal switch.

727
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, it was probably being locked up

728
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: to be honest, Like the day I was like, fuck,

729
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: I have two kids, you know, A missus crying. My

730
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: kids are gonna I'm going to miss my kid's birthdays

731
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: from you know, I miss the lyrics birthday from one

732
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 3: till five. I got out and went to his first

733
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 3: birthday when he was five years old. Like that was

734
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: that was enough for me? That was your fuck up?

735
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: You know?

736
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: So I owed everything every day in jail to be

737
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: a little bit better every single day. I had to

738
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: make use this time so I could come out and

739
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: be a better person, better human.

740
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: And that was it.

741
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: Like from day one, I was down on the ground

742
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: doing push ups, reading books, calling you know, reading books

743
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: not just on exercise science, but like how to build

744
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: better relationships like like that, just so that I could

745
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: be a better dad, how I could be a better

746
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: person in general, so that I could give back when

747
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: I got out.

748
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Did you have anyone that supported you or encouraged you

749
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: or mentored you anyone?

750
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Nah?

751
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 3: Not really not whilst I was in jail. The people

752
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: that were obviously Demi and the kids and my family,

753
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 3: and I've got good friends in there as well. But yeah,

754
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: when you're in there, it's kind of like the people

755
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: that I knew in there were just.

756
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: A rating motherfuckers, you know what I mean. So they

757
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: wanted to do bad shit.

758
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's there's not a whole lot of people

759
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: in jail who don't have an agenda of some sort, right.

760
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, that's exactly right.

761
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So and I know that, well,

762
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: since you came out of prison, you've been rolled in

763
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: university and you've finished a degree in exercise science, and

764
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: I know you've been I think you've been accepted to

765
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: do a master's that you're putting on hold, by the way,

766
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: fucking well done, so amazing. But you also started a

767
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: business degree when you're in jail as well.

768
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I started a construction management degree. You get

769
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: two options in jail, right, your option to either study

770
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: or work, and there was no way I was working

771
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: in jail, but I have the option to do. There

772
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: was a business diploma I did. It's very small, but

773
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, it was something to get your mind rolling.

774
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: And then I did a construction management degree. I got

775
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: into year three and then I realized, like, this is

776
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: kind of I'm kind of wasting my time here because

777
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: this is not what I want to be. I was

778
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: just studying for the sake of studying at it because

779
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: I didn't want to work.

780
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: For the jail. Really good studying skills, but.

781
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: It wasn't I didn't want to come out and be

782
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: chippy anymore. I didn't want to come out and be

783
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: a builder anymore.

784
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't want that, and I knew what

785
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. So it was cool.

786
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: Teach me how to study, teach me how to get resources.

787
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: Not that we could access Google or anything like that

788
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: while you're in jail, but it taught me out, you know,

789
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 3: to read textbooks and not get brain dead.

790
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Just out. This is quite a disparate kind of direction.

791
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: But do you have like I'm always telling people to study, right,

792
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm always you know, not necessarily formal study, But what's

793
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: your study protocol? Like how do you learn best? Do

794
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: you write? Do you highlight shit in books because you

795
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the internet, as you said, and then take

796
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: notes off that, or like how do you you just

797
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: finished your exercise science degree a while ago? How do

798
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: you learn in progressive?

799
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: For me, it's been a progressive like that start as

800
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: when I started, I used to literally like we couldn't

801
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: get Google in there, like I said, We'd just get

802
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: all these textbooks and all these papers that our officer

803
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: would send it.

804
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: For us, and I would sit there and write every

805
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: single page of it.

806
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: It would take me hours, and it was just it

807
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 3: was almost psychotic, the shit I was doing in there,

808
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: Like you'd come in and myself, the screws would come

809
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: into my cell in the morning and I'd be sitting

810
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: there at five to thirty am and from five thirty

811
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: am scribbling on a piece of paper. I don't know

812
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: if any of that sticked, because I don't remember it anymore,

813
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 3: but that's where I start. And then as you start

814
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: to get a little bit better, I think it was

815
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: kind of when I got out of jail, to be honest,

816
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: where I started getting a little bit better. I started

817
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: playing video games to study. There's a purpose made games

818
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: on anatomy, so where I'd have to like name the

819
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: bones and the muscles and stuff like that, and that

820
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: was really cool. That was awesome. And then I would

821
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: watch YouTube videos and I would write down what was good.

822
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: I would do mind map, I'll teach my kids, I'll

823
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: teach my clients for me. When I got out of jail,

824
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: it was really easy to take my UNI stuff and

825
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: then teach it to my clients in a small like

826
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: it obviously in a bite sized version, and that me

827
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: was like learning. Doing teaching was probably the most kind

828
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: of like cemented learning skill that I could do. Was

829
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: just like, right, let's learn this from UNI. Let's do it,

830
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: and let's teach you to our clients what we're doing it.

831
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: And that was kind of like on repeat. You know,

832
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: someone would ask me about, you know, how do we

833
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: break down glucas, I'll take take them in a small version.

834
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: If someone teach me how do we build muscle, I've

835
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: taken through a small version, you know, and I'll just

836
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 3: keep doing that and I'll be passionate about it, like

837
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm really passionate about so that helps as well. Now

838
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: my studying skills is I'll actually watch a YouTube video,

839
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: I'll copy and paste the text from the YouTube video.

840
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: I will put it into chat ept and I'll say

841
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: quiz me, although quiz me thirty questions on this video

842
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: interactive style, one question at a time, and that makes

843
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: me cement stuff like no other.

844
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: So how that that is such a that's such a

845
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: clever idea and it's like so purpose built for you.

846
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, it's great. It really works.

847
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: And I do the same with text if I have

848
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: to read a research paper or something like, I'll read

849
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: the research paper once.

850
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: Then I'll just bank it in and I'll be like,

851
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: quiz me thirty times. So it really helps. It really works.

852
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: If anyone's listening out there that's in any sort of education,

853
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: definitely works.

854
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: Give it a shot.

855
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: This is a weird question, but what was the upside

856
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: of prison for you?

857
00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: The upside of prison was time, the ability learning how

858
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: to reflect, meditate, and helping people in jail. I think

859
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: I helped a lot of people in jail come off methadone,

860
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: all sorts of drugs that you know, the jail just

861
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: feeds them. I helped them with training and nutrition and purpose,

862
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I did.

863
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: Anyway, I've seen people one.

864
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: Hundred and forty kilos on one hundred mills of methadone

865
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: or so, and I've seen them wean right off and

866
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: be six percent body fat, And that to me was

867
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: fucking amazing, Right, that was awesome.

868
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have made you a reasonably sought after

869
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: resource in the prison system like that. You would have

870
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: been recently PLoP pillar, wouldn't you.

871
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eventually I had like when I got to C rating,

872
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: I just lodge as a four man lodge, four people

873
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: in the one joint.

874
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: What does that mean? What does it say?

875
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: Man?

876
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: Open jail, it's less segregated, you get more activities to do,

877
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: you can go out to society and work.

878
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: There's less restrictions.

879
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: There's knives and stuff in there, you know, so it's

880
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: pretty open.

881
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: Visits are a lot longer.

882
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: So I worked my way up the SEA rating and

883
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: when I got there as a four man, so a

884
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: four man lodge, and I used to I've gotten to

885
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: this lodge and I would just like really pick and

886
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: choose who came into my lodge. Right, because you can

887
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: get all sorts of human beings in jail, unfortunately, and

888
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: I would really nail down who went into my lodge,

889
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: so I used to cut it. I used to get

890
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: veggies because we usually get ida spend there. I'd get

891
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: all my veggies and I'd cut all my veggies up

892
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: into small pieces and I'd put them into a crisper.

893
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: So with every whenever I had chicken, i'd do veggies

894
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: and chicken. Handful of veggies chicken. It'd all be in

895
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: my crisper and the fridge. And I would always try

896
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: to pick people who weren't going to fucking be pigs.

897
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: And people would come to me and ask me, can

898
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: I come to your lodge? I want to lose weight

899
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: coming to your lodge. I want to build muscle. Can

900
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: I comment to your lodge? I want to do this.

901
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: I'd get some people that would come in and they

902
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: just couldn't handle it, and it'd be a bit of

903
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: a because you know, you're trying to build something and

904
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: some people were just fucking pissing your pocket.

905
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: A little bit.

906
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, how many? How many not necessarily stabbing people, thankfully,

907
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: but how many or how often did you get into

908
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: some kind of heated exchange in prison once a week,

909
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: once a day, once a year, like where it could have.

910
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: You know, there was a minor altercation, maybe.

911
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: Like once every couple of months. At the starter was

912
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: pretty close, like I was in there four years. You

913
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: get pretty good at removing yourself from confrontation over time.

914
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was probably once every couple of months,

915
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: like I said, at the start, was probably once every

916
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and then I got better at it.

917
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: But again, it it all boils down to like who

918
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: you hang around. Like obviously when you get to see

919
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: you writing, you a lesser around fuck it.

920
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, do you reckon that? Not that we'd

921
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: recommend anyone follow your path or go to prison, but

922
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: do you think that being in prison made like you

923
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: have a big work ethic. You work a lot, and

924
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: you work, you work a lot of hours, but also

925
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: what you do is intense because you are with you know,

926
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of clients all day and that is a

927
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: very psychologically and emotionally and physically demanding job. It's not

928
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: like you're doing a job that doesn't require a lot

929
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: of intention or focus or commitment, like to I, as

930
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: much as anyone in the world. I understand how hard

931
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: it is to train people all day, back to back,

932
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: because with every person you've got to build connection and rapport,

933
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: and you've got to have great energy, and you've got

934
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: to make them feel like they're the only fucking client

935
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: you train today and all that stuff, right, I get it.

936
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: Did Like, because prison is hard, did that make what

937
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: you do how easier?

938
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: I think so? I think so.

939
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: I think learning how to this all comes down to

940
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: speaking to people and being around people and getting people

941
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: to do it you want.

942
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: Like, people in prison are really good at getting what

943
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: they want. They come into your like.

944
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: If they want a slice of bread, right, they will

945
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: come with what's going on?

946
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Pray?

947
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: How are you brother? Love your shoes?

948
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: Bro?

949
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: Like they do all the right communication things to get

950
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: what they want right, really good at it.

951
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: Right.

952
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: I think learning how to be around people.

953
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: And how to connect with people in jail and how

954
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: to you know, it's I think you do some medicognition

955
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: stuff as well, Is that right?

956
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

957
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 3: I think kind of a little bit of that as

958
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: well goes a long way, and I think it has

959
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: definitely transferred into my into my personal training.

960
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: Tell us about your new place so you're opening a

961
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: and this is a blatant plug everybody, So back down

962
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: the hatches. So you're opening a commercial. You're getting out

963
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: of the garage where the doors opening on the new place.

964
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: Doors will be open on the sixteenth of December. That's right,

965
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 2: just gonna soft open.

966
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Then. Yeah, I've opened, like I've obviously started putting stuff

967
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: in there. I've started training a couple of clients out

968
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: of there.

969
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: I've got some squad racks there.

970
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: Obviously, just flashed rain the other day, so it was

971
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: a massive waterfall happening, which was interesting. The whole place

972
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: got flooded, which really a lot different to what I

973
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: kind of what happens in the garage. There's a lot

974
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: of problems that I wasn't really ready for. So it's

975
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: definitely been pulling me in all sorts of directions.

976
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: Just being good.

977
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: It's a journey, right, So I'm just trying to embrace

978
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: the mountain, as you said to me once. I try

979
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: to just keep running up that mountain and see what

980
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: happens on the way. So it's been, it's been. It's

981
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: been fun.

982
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: Would you ever think about going back as a visitor

983
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: to prison to I don't know, every now and then

984
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: do some work with the guys.

985
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, Yeah, I would, I would definitely do that.

986
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: I think I think there's a lot, a lot to

987
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: be that can be done in prison. I think people

988
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: can get really really good in prison whatever it is

989
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: they want to do, if they have the right mind.

990
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: Like I said, like, you can either work or you

991
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: can study. And you'll be surprised how many people just

992
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: want to work for six dollars a day.

993
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: It's just it's crazy.

994
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: No one's studying in jail, and it's like it is

995
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: the perfect environment, besides not having the internet, to just

996
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: be able to like stop, apply yourself, get really fucking

997
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 3: good at something for fucking as many hours as you want,

998
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: as many days of the week, and just come out

999
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: of jail a fucking beast.

1000
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: But people choose not to do that for now.

1001
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: Obviously, you know, three kids working, you know, eleven hours.

1002
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: It's like for me to sit down and do my

1003
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: study in the morning's fucking hard, you know, But I

1004
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: could do that all day, Like you could imagine the

1005
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 3: compound effect of that if you could do that every

1006
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: single day for.

1007
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: X amount of years. I'm not saying go to jail

1008
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: and stuff I can study.

1009
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying, if you are in jail or you

1010
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 3: are facing jail, I think it's a definitely good time

1011
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: to grab yourself some textbooks and what you want to

1012
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: do and start getting to work.

1013
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Tell us about so apart from the you know, when

1014
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I said to you before what stops people? And you

1015
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: spoke about physiology and genetics and hormones, tell us about

1016
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: the psychology from your perspective of like how you deal

1017
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: with people, how you coach people, the way that you

1018
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: communicate with them, and you know, I was talking to

1019
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: somebody yesterday about this and I basically said, you know,

1020
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: like most people who think they're training at a nine

1021
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: out of ten are training at a four or five. Right,

1022
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Most people don't really And that's generalized, I know, and

1023
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: that's my experience, but most people don't train very hard,

1024
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: but they think they train very hard. And a lot

1025
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: of people want to train with you until they train

1026
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: with you and then they're like, oh, this is too hard.

1027
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: You know, how do you how do you navigate the

1028
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: psychological and emotional component of helping people change?

1029
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said before, it's definitely different with everyone,

1030
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: but it definitely starts with that building up that word

1031
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: for yourself again and working with the client to try

1032
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: and respect their word again, and then taking that one

1033
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: step at a time and building that up to the

1034
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: training as much as they like. People come in and

1035
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: they see a couple of videos and they're like, oh,

1036
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: I want to fucking be as ripped as that guy.

1037
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: I want to train six days a week, and you

1038
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 3: see it. You see it heaps, and then out of nowhere,

1039
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: they're training six days a week, but the last two

1040
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: weeks and then they're back down in the gutters again

1041
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: and they're thinking, fuck, this is too hard.

1042
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to do.

1043
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: It's like because you just started at the wrong capacity.

1044
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 3: So I definitely I'm.

1045
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: A big, big, big believer.

1046
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: In starting in starting small and slow, getting yourself some

1047
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 3: sort of accountability, whether it's coach or friend or whatever,

1048
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: and just slowly working your way up. And I always

1049
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: do with everyone. I start them off with you know,

1050
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: one two days a week. I get results from one

1051
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: two days a week. You can get results from two

1052
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: days a week. You've seen it, and then work into three.

1053
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: You don't have to go straight out of nowhere and

1054
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: never trained before, and then work trained five days a week.

1055
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: Most of people, it doesn't work in this not in

1056
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: this stone age.

1057
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: And as you said, you know, most people who go

1058
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: from zero to sixty don't maintain it. You know, it's like,

1059
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: not only do you not need to do five days

1060
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: a week, the chances of you doing a whole lot

1061
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: of training and maintaining that different if you build up

1062
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: over time. But it's it's almost like you know those

1063
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, those body transformation programs MATE where people start

1064
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: on day one and they fucking they change fifty things. Now,

1065
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm not drinking any booze, I'm not doing this. I'm running,

1066
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm lifting, I'm taking all these supplements. I've halved my food,

1067
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: I've steamed this and roasted that and fuck that. And

1068
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: the whole time they're waiting for it to be over

1069
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: because it's a finite period of time. And then they firstly,

1070
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: most people don't last the duration, but the ones that do,

1071
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, like a long one is a twelve week

1072
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: one and eighty four day one, and then on day

1073
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: eighty five they're eating shit and sitting on the couch. Gone,

1074
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: I did that.

1075
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: So common it becomes more of a like, oh look

1076
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: at me, look at your dad. When he was, you know,

1077
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: when he.

1078
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: Was thirty five. I used to be that rip. I

1079
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: used to do this.

1080
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 3: You know, you're a mad example of staying in good

1081
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: shape for your whole life.

1082
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: It's a it's a journey. Everything is a journey, just

1083
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: going to keep rolling.

1084
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: Like so many people I know that have been on

1085
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: these crazy they see these people online, they go, they

1086
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: chuck them on sixteen fifteen hundred calories and they're, you know,

1087
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: the their maintenance is like two five hundred, two eight hundred,

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Speaker 3: and they're like over one thousand calories deficit, and they

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Speaker 3: do it for like eight months, and then they're so

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Speaker 3: depleted that they don't want to train. They don't want

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Speaker 3: to be in a deficit anymore. I get so many

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Speaker 3: clients coming from these online dudes that are putting people

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00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: on such load calories and they're just hormonally fucked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're hormonally fucked. They're emotionally and mentally fucked because

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00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: they hate their life. And also their brain doesn't work

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00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: because they're not getting enough glucose and your brain runs

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Speaker 1: on glucose, and they're dehydrated and your brain and your

1098
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: blood's ninety percent water or water. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just like the thing about doing something that's not

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Speaker 1: maintainable is that it's not maintainable exactly. So why the

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Speaker 1: fuck you know? I did this thing? Mate? It was

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Speaker 1: about two or three years ago at I had six

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy people at Deacon University for an event,

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Speaker 1: and I said, don't overthink this. The room holds six seventy.

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Speaker 1: That's why I know how many people. I said, don't

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Speaker 1: overthink this, but how many of you would like to

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Speaker 1: be fitter, leaner, lighter, like indifferent shape? And nearly every handwinner,

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Speaker 1: maybe six hundred out of six seventy. And I said, now,

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Speaker 1: what if there was a program? And I designed a

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Speaker 1: program for you and it was ten weeks and it

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00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: was one hundred bucks, so it's ten dollars a week.

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Speaker 1: And what you got from me was, in this hypothetical

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: you got a multitude of different fitness programs, stretching programs,

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00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: strength programs, you know, all graduated for different levels of

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00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: fitness and different ages, and you've got great recipes and

1116
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: some every day there was a new inspirational video from me,

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00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, And so I kind of virtually

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00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: coached you for ten weeks and it's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: one hundred bucks. How many of you would be in?

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Speaker 1: And nearly every hand went up again, right, And I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: now here's option two, Option two, and you have to

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00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: be honest with me. Option two is the same as

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Speaker 1: option one, except it's free. But you can't stop once

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00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: you start, but you have to keep doing it forever.

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Speaker 1: How many of you are in? Hi fucking three people?

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Speaker 1: Because everyone wants to be able to stop. Everyone wants

1127
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: to get out of jail card.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's literally the problem. That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: That's why I say it slow something that you can

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Speaker 3: sustain for the rest of your life and find the

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: energy in training.

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Speaker 2: Don't remove the energy from in training.

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Speaker 1: You know, hey, mate, I love chatting to you. You're

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Speaker 1: a ripper. We're going to stay in touch. We might

1135
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Speaker 1: do another chat down the track. How do people find

1136
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: you and connect with you? And yeah, let people know

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00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: how they can contact you if they want to be,

1138
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: if not now one day in the future connected with

1139
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: you or get some advice or coaching. How does that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, so.

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Speaker 3: Iron Monk Fitness on Instagram or you can search me

1142
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: up on Google or you can just come down to

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Speaker 3: the new gym nine to six Tunipean Highway and I'll

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Speaker 3: be there. I'm not going to be anywhere for a

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Speaker 3: long time, so he'll be.

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Speaker 1: There twenty six hours a day. Everyone. He'll be the

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Speaker 1: exhausted looking bloke in the corner. We'll say goodbye, Affair,

1148
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: but well done. Nice debut, nice podcast debut, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Craig