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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another bloody installment of

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Speaker 1: the YOU Project. It's Harps. Who else would it be?

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Speaker 1: Same bloke that's been either last seven seventeen hundred or

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Speaker 1: something and fifteen times or something like that. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 1: back again. It's a Friday in the thriving metropolis. It's

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Speaker 1: just gone midday here. And the other day. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: week ago, maybe two weeks ago, a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: Fergus Watt's the great man, the Big Ferg, sent me

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Speaker 1: a message and said, there's this shifty, dodgy bloke that

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Speaker 1: I know. No, he didn't say that, he didn't say

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Speaker 1: kind of did No, he didn't. He said there's a

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Speaker 1: maid of mine who's got a really interesting story. And

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Speaker 1: he was not lying. And so I caught up with

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Speaker 1: this interesting bloke with an interesting story last week. His

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Speaker 1: name's DeAndre Rix. He's a good dude. And I went, mate,

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Speaker 1: let's jump on and have a chat on the U project,

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Speaker 1: because I think your story will resonate and your energy

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Speaker 1: will resonate. And here is hi, mate. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks Greg? Thanks me, I'm great. I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks thanks for being Thanks for being had mate.

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Speaker 1: I don't reckon, too many people would have had you

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Speaker 1: over the years. I reckon, You're pretty fucking quick on

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Speaker 1: your feet, weren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I would have been never convisioned

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Speaker 3: myself on the podcast or anything that much.

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Speaker 1: I'll look at you. Is this podcast one for you?

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Speaker 2: This is podcast one?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is this is your debut, mate, this is

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Speaker 1: your day. This has got and you started at the top.

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Speaker 1: Fucking hell, it's all, he says, humbly. So it's let's

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Speaker 1: start with. How do you know ferg so ferg of

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Speaker 1: course was He was the CEO of Reach and he's

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Speaker 1: still i think involved on the board. Fergus Watts the

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Speaker 1: great man and his dad was the boss. Did you

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Speaker 1: know that his bat dad, Jim was the CEO of

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Speaker 1: Sint Kilda Footy Club? Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: I had no idea that's how he got into the footy.

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Speaker 2: That's good to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day. And well he played footy

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Speaker 1: of course for Adelaide and he had a few injury

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Speaker 1: definitely a pretty solid player. Had a few injury problems,

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Speaker 1: but he's been all over the world and done a

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Speaker 1: lot of things alongside his brother Jack. How did you

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Speaker 1: two meet?

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Speaker 3: So he he'd messaged me from a Google lad that

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Speaker 3: I'd put up maybe a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 3: Now he actually thought that I was some other dude.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, but with like bald hair and

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Speaker 3: a mullet and tatoos all over his face, and for

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Speaker 3: I think he came down and got a big surprise

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Speaker 3: that it was me. I go, look, if you're going

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Speaker 3: to stay with me, I waka tatoo or me if

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Speaker 3: it makes you happy. But no, that's how I met him,

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Speaker 3: and then I started training him and three other blokes.

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Speaker 1: What's your general democrat? Like we were talking the other day. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've said this a lot over the years,

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Speaker 1: industry is saturated, personal training saturated. You can't you know,

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Speaker 1: there's too many trainers. There's not I'm like well, if

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Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing, you're going to be busy. Right. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised the number of cafes that open up in

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck are they busy? There's thirty

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Speaker 1: seven other cafes, but they're doing all right. And I

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Speaker 1: think that, you know, like any industry, there are good

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Speaker 1: trainers and bad trainers. There are good doctors and bad doctors,

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Speaker 1: good bricklayers and bad bricklayers, good taxi drivers and bad

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Speaker 1: taxi drivers. You know. So, but I said to you

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Speaker 1: the other day, so you work from your garage, which

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Speaker 1: not exactly a fitness first with ten million dollars worth

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Speaker 1: very humble as well. Right, I said, how many sessions.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about money, so don't panic,

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Speaker 1: but how many sessions a day do you do? And

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Speaker 1: I think you said to me about eleven.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, sometimes a little bit more if I'm

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Speaker 3: being cheeky, but yeah, just grind, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd like to answer your first question.

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Speaker 3: It's not about like how many fitness trainers there are,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't even on my head. It was like, this

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Speaker 2: Be this person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that you know that obviously shows in

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Speaker 1: So and it's like, I'm not going to tell anyone

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Speaker 1: what you earned, but I know what you earn, and

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Speaker 1: it's very good money. But you work very hard, lots

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Speaker 1: of hours. Your your rate is up there. And what's

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Speaker 1: a testament. And this ain't about money everyone, This is

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Speaker 1: about what you can do with not much. This is

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Speaker 1: what I love. So you work in your garage with

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Speaker 1: minimal equipment, and you do on average, eleven or more

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Speaker 3: I just started opening up, so started doing Sundays as well,

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Speaker 1: You know I love that. And you know, so with minimal,

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Speaker 1: You know, you're building this amazing business and you're and

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Speaker 1: you're about to open up a proper placematee like a

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Speaker 1: Man, how do you feel about because I did that.

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Speaker 1: When I did that was fuck nine ninety dude, So

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Speaker 1: When were you born?

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Speaker 2: Ninety one ninety one?

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Speaker 2: I was in I was in the somewhere. I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably just hanging out weight and you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming for We'll talk about where you came

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Speaker 1: what have been the lessons for you building a business,

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Speaker 1: like building a brand literally starting from scratch with I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, So the lessons are, you can always

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Speaker 3: to put that work in. I think you can outwork

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Speaker 3: You just got to be put that working. I think,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was that that's the lesson.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of trainers around that are cheaper

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Speaker 1: interested in I've always been like even with what I do,

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Speaker 1: which my main job in inverted Commas is corporate speaking,

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's a very very big range. But

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Speaker 3: I think experience education. I've always up my education. I'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I moved on doing fifty bucks a

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Speaker 2: And then when I finished my bachelor, I was like, well, now.

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Speaker 2: I've got this education background.

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Speaker 3: I did, you know, not to blow my own tires,

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Speaker 3: but I got, you know, a Student of the Year awards.

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Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I am okay what I do.

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Speaker 3: So then I kept my prices up again, and then

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Speaker 3: again I just keep on backing myself and I just

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Speaker 3: keep on learning and growing, and I'm finding out the

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Speaker 3: more you know in this field and you yourself, the

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Speaker 3: to kind of things that you used to say and do,

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Speaker 2: Basic stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's how I set myself apart from everyone.

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Speaker 2: It's that it's my experience, it's my results.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've done this in different environments and I've

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Speaker 3: seen the same results. I've been in environments where you

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Speaker 3: It's funny because people get this like immediate kind of

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Speaker 3: As soon as you can start respecting your word again,

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Speaker 3: You know, a little bit of oil here, extra sauce here,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so you walk and you talk, so you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Now. Interestingly, only about four years before you started your

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Speaker 1: Now, so just over four years ago. People might know

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Speaker 1: I'm not pissing in your pocket. You're just a good dude.

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Speaker 3: I'm blushing, all right, short version, Okay, So I grew

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Speaker 2: It's me, my mom and my brother were kind of

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Speaker 3: Finally got out of that, went to six different schools,

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Speaker 2: Then I was going to.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, champ. You've got to tell everyone

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Speaker 3: The storyt Demi, my my fiance.

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Speaker 2: I haven't married her yet. She's going to kill me.

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Speaker 1: Getting your shit together? Can you marry that woman? Please?

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Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, I was.

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Speaker 1: Pulled away hang on champ all right, what hit the

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Speaker 1: pause button? Selling a quilo of what cokaine?

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Speaker 2: I got done with selling killer coke.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea about drugs. I'm the most boring

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Speaker 2: Now? About two hundred grand?

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Speaker 3: Fu?

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Speaker 1: Could he fuck? Batman? All right? So you had a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at a safe house, pills and guns and all

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Speaker 2: I did it, I had it, I was doing it.

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Speaker 1: And what's a safe house? What does that mean? Like

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Speaker 1: No, this is interesting. This is interesting and also skip

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, all right, So so you had a safe house,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so at a safe house is where you

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Speaker 2: Somewhere else and stuff like that. I got investigated for

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Speaker 1: That mean practically? What's happening? Like, how do you know?

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Speaker 3: It comes up in my brief right when I get arrested,

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Speaker 3: But it looks like you're paranoid because you're looking like

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Speaker 3: But is it you're tripping? Are you like, is it

436
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 3: the cocaine that you're snorting that you're tripping I on?

437
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 3: Or is it you actually people following you? And yeah,

438
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: so people follow me. They bugged my house, they bugged

439
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 3: my car.

440
00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: What else?

441
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 3: They bugged the safe house around that, so they could

442
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: see who was coming in. They had cameras cars set

443
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: up with cameras facing at the car. They've just leave

444
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: these cars there.

445
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was.

446
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: I was on all all views so and I was

447
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: just continue doing what I'm doing. I kind of had

448
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: a pretty good awareness that I was being followed at

449
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: the time, and I just, I don't know. I thought

450
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 3: I was being safer than I was. We had en

451
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: cryptid phones back then called blackberries. They've they've done now,

452
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: but were just you could say whatever you wanted on

453
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: them and never get caught. But yeah, you know those,

454
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 3: I was using those, and I wasn't going to the

455
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: safe house myself, and I thought I was doing everything safe,

456
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: but obviously not safe enough. It just takes one person

457
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: to say one thing and then the whole world comes down.

458
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, twenty sixteen November, I was two dudes in

459
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 3: high VI's uniforms came to my front door. I saw

460
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: them drive up the driveway. I was kicking back playing PlayStation.

461
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: I opened the door and his guys in HIVIS uniforms

462
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: with the battering round.

463
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: Behind them, freeze, you're an arrest.

464
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: And I kind of saw the battering ram so I

465
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: kind of knew I was being arrested already, and I

466
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: turned around already and they just grabbed me, you know,

467
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: went through my house. I thought I was sweet because

468
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 3: I didn't have anything at my house. And then they

469
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: started talking about the safe house.

470
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: And I was like, fuck, I'm done.

471
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I knew I was fucked, you know, and

472
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: you know, I went into jail.

473
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: I went to the map.

474
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: Tell people what that is.

475
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Tell people that's an assessment prison.

476
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 3: So they go there and they assess you whether you've

477
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: got mental health issues or you know, you know, you

478
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: don't fit in with the other crowds, and then they

479
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: send you to where you think you should go.

480
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: So they assessed me.

481
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: They thought it was a great idea to send me

482
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: to Port Phillip prisons. That's the worst where you want

483
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: to go, but that's where I went.

484
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: So, hey, I'm sorry, this is all interesting to us, right,

485
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: So tell us just thirty sixty seconds on Port Philip prison.

486
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: What is that like and why is that the worst

487
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: place to go?

488
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: A rated A rating, a security rating.

489
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: So it means that you know, you've everything's really segregated,

490
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: all right, So because there's you can't you know, this

491
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: unit can't contact with this unit because someone will get stabbed.

492
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: Not to mention that people are getting stabbed almost every

493
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: second day in jail anyway, in their little unit because

494
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, someone's fought over drugs or whatever. But yeah,

495
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: that's that's Port Philip Prison. It's really segregated. It's where

496
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 3: all the murderers and stuff go that don't want to conform,

497
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: they don't want to get better.

498
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: But I was on remand here two years. I was

499
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: awaiting my case to happen.

500
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: So because it was conceived to be a big case,

501
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: they just left me in Port Philip Prison. So I

502
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: go and I didn't get sentenced for about nine months.

503
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: I was on remand for nine months to gauge, which

504
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: was slucked because you're always thinking what's going on. But yeah,

505
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: I kind of was the day I got arrested. Man,

506
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: to be honest, when I got to jail, I was

507
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: kind of like I was a bit relieved, right because

508
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: at that time, like I said, I was like looking

509
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: over my shoulder.

510
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: I was paranoid. You know.

511
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: I was always on the phone, just like messaging, sending

512
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 3: people everywhere. Like I was hustling, like I was, I

513
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: was grinding every second just like I am now, I

514
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: was actually grinding right, it just wasn't in the right

515
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: field unfortunately.

516
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: And you know that relief was gave me.

517
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: A chance to reflect on my life like I'd never

518
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: had a time to like sit down and reflect. Like

519
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: I said, from twelve years old, I was punching on

520
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: and again in the fights and drinking and like I

521
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: was just everything was just like a big snowball all

522
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: the time. And that moment for me was finally like, oh, heymnd,

523
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: let's chat, let's think of so.

524
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: Wow and you you, I mean, it seems to me

525
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: like it was just ongoing chaos. And you never really

526
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: as you said to me when we had a chat

527
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: at the cafe, it's like you said the same thing

528
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: you said when I got to jail. It was like

529
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: you could take a big breath. And because you never

530
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: were not busy or it was never not chaotic or

531
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: especially in the years leading up to JAU, you were

532
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: never not worried or looking over your shoulder or thinking

533
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: about who can I trust, who should I, who can't I,

534
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: Who's going to come through? Like that is not you know,

535
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: as you now know for ones, because you're an exercise scientists,

536
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: that's not great for a person's nervous system or mental

537
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: health or emotional health. And I mean, well, you deserved it.

538
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: You're a fucking drug dealers. I don't feel.

539
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: Sorry for you.

540
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, yeah, that's that's going to happen.

541
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: So was it. I mean it sounds silly, but it's

542
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: almost like it was a relief to get busted.

543
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was a massive relief.

544
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: Like I didn't want to I didn't want to sell drugs,

545
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 3: Like I actually didn't want to do that completely. I

546
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: was stuck in the game. I had so much supply

547
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: it and I was like, this has to go and

548
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: people owe you money and you just it's a constance

549
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: like people owe your money, they haven't paid you enough back,

550
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: so I have to get a little bit of supply

551
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: to support them. Then you end up with a little

552
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: bit more supply and it just builds, just like this

553
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: constant thing. And I was like, fuck, this is ever

554
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: going to end it up. I was trying, but it

555
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: just wasn't vast enough.

556
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I find interesting, And we'll learn

557
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more about your time in prison in

558
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: a minute, but like not in a good way. In

559
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: a bad way, but also on a level, you were

560
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: learning about business and transactions and people, and you know,

561
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: like I wish you had chosen a better field initially,

562
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: but I mean, if you can do that under that pressure,

563
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: like you clearly all bit misplaced, but you had a

564
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: good work ethic, right, and now you've kind of just

565
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: transferred that to something legit. I mean it's more than that,

566
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: but on a level, you've kind of used that same

567
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: hustle and tenacity and energy for good not evil grasshopper.

568
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I guess so I guess

569
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: you get a little bit better at speaking to people

570
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: as well. Like I've been held at gunpoint before that

571
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: to talk my way out of it, you.

572
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

573
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: Like wow, So like wow, being in that.

574
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: Position and just being how to have like the power

575
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: of the tongue somehow, which I never thought I did

576
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: have any sort of skill like that, it definitely transfers

577
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 3: into what I'm doing.

578
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: Now, how Like?

579
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: And then how long did you spend in prison?

580
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: So?

581
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: I did four years in jail and then I got

582
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: sent So I got sentenced to six years and three

583
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: months in prison. I wanted to get out three years,

584
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: nine months that kept me over a month or two,

585
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: and then I was released just a month after my

586
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: daughter's birthday.

587
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: She was annoying because I wanted to get up on

588
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: her birthday and I didn't.

589
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: And So tell us about adjusting. Tell us about the

590
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: first week months, a few months being in prison, understanding

591
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do, the culture, the language,

592
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: fucking safety danger. Tell us about that.

593
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the first day I got into prison,

594
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: the first day I got into a poor philip. Let's say,

595
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: I go up there. I go up to my cell.

596
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: It's a three cell. I walk up there and three

597
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: blokes in there. They go, hey, it's going on, brother,

598
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: shake my hand, we're going to go run up on

599
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: this guy. And I'm like okay, and I put my

600
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: bag down and there's a group of plagues and they

601
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: all open up this.

602
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Part in the shower. It's like this little plastic and

603
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: they all pull out shifts.

604
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: So tell people, I'm sure half no, that's.

605
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: A made up night, right. They give me one, they

606
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: give everyone else one, And I'm not going to say no.

607
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to look like a bitch. We're on,

608
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: you know, because I think that's a key point to

609
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: like show yourself.

610
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: I was. I was like, fuck, I don't want to

611
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: do this. I don't want to do this. I don't

612
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: want to do this.

613
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: And I was like walking down the steps with this

614
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: shift down my pants, ready to go and get this guy.

615
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: For the reason I have no idea, right, but the

616
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: group is and I don't want to be left out.

617
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to get pulled on. I don't want

618
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: you know, bad.

619
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: Things happen if you pull out of situations like that

620
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: in jail, and I'm like I walk in there, I'm like, sure,

621
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: you want to do this, like we're ready, Like what

622
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: did you do?

623
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: I'm trying to ask questions and.

624
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, is there another way? Fellas?

625
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: And I get down to the to the cell and

626
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: these boys are right in front. I'm right at the back, man,

627
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm right at the back. So these guys run in

628
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: there and just start attacking this dude. This dude's eyes

629
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: falling out of his head like they've absolutely bad at him.

630
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. I kind of walk really slowly. I

631
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: didn't make it in there in times by coincidence, and

632
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: this guy comes flying out, you know, all these screws

633
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: come out. Screws are just like prison officers. It's like

634
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: they've got doggies as well, which are like they're like

635
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: heavy duty.

636
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Prison officers will.

637
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: Call them special Operations group, like.

638
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever you want to call them.

639
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: And they they come in and they start grabbing everyone,

640
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: pulling everyone to their cells.

641
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: I've launched this ship.

642
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: I've launched it outside in this time, and I'm getting

643
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: put into my cell and I'm like, fuck, if there's

644
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: any more ships in there. I'm in the slot for

645
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: three months. I'm not getting visits from my kids, Like

646
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: this is my first day.

647
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: You fucked up? What's wrong with you? You know? Like I'm

648
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: talking to myself by this.

649
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: I go up there, I look in the flask and

650
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 3: there's no more ships, so the boys are taking them

651
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: all and I'm in there by myself, and I'm like,

652
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: thank fucking God, Like that would have been a turning point.

653
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: For me in jail.

654
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: If I'd been caught with that, where I would have

655
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: ended up in the slot, I would have met around.

656
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: I would have been around more heavier people that are,

657
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, interested in that stuff. I would have kind

658
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: of been around those type of people as well, doing

659
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: the stuff that they're doing.

660
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: But instead I was saved. I guess we'll call it.

661
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: And from that moment on, I know definitely treaded a

662
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: lot more lightly in jail.

663
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Ah. So do you feel like if in that moment

664
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: because you've just got in jail, like proper jail, grown up,

665
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: big boy, fucking terrifying jail, and these blokes go all right,

666
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: here's a ship. You're with us, We're going to do this.

667
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: So you're like, on the one hand, you don't want

668
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: to go do that because you don't want to stab

669
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: someone anyway and you don't know who they are and

670
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: you've got no reason to. But also you in your words,

671
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to be a bitch. Right, this is

672
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: this is a fucking this is a psychological dilemma? Yeah,

673
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: how many how many of those did you have to

674
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: deal with? Like where you kind of want to you

675
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: need to kind of fit in, but you don't want

676
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: to be doing bad shit but you're in prison.

677
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where I kind of like, because not

678
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: done man, to be honest, Like when I got locked up,

679
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: that was rock bottom for me for me getting locked

680
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: up like away from my kids. I've done all that.

681
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: Like like I said, I was when I was twelve

682
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: years old. I was punching on rubbing ceiling, Like I've

683
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: been through that already, Like I've grown up. I've grown

684
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: up from that era already, Like I was done with it,

685
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: Like I became a carp and I dropped out of

686
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: school and became a carp and I met Demi and

687
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: all that, Like I was already on the way up

688
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: until I breacked my leg.

689
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: So I had this. I was already finished with that

690
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: life right And I was put back.

691
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: In here from obviously the dealing, and I was then

692
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: exposed to it again and a new people. And when

693
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: I was in jail, like I started reading my first

694
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: I read my first book in there, I started reading

695
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 3: you know, men's health magazines and applying it and then

696
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: you know, using it and training people in there. So

697
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: I started to build my identity in there that I

698
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: am going to now help people.

699
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to now be I was.

700
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: Already put in my head that I was going to

701
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: train people when I was getting out. This was when

702
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: I first got in because I finally found a love

703
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: and a passion for fitness whilst I was in there,

704
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: got myself fit. You know, I was always a FACTI

705
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: growing up and got my self fit, got others fit,

706
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: and I became. I made that identity for myself, right,

707
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: I wasn't, but I made it. I created it, And

708
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: it was the identity for me that allowed me to

709
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: escape those situations because I had people knew me as

710
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: I was like training double murderers and stuff like that,

711
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: yelling at them, tell them to get on the floor

712
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So and they came to me

713
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: for help and advice, so they knew that thought I

714
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: was about. They saw me walk to my cell with

715
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: a stack of books and a pen and a paper,

716
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: and I was going to sit in my cell all

717
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: day and read and write and do all that stuff.

718
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: So for me, as my time in jail went on,

719
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: people didn't expect that from me anymore, So it was

720
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: it was pretty yeah all in that sense?

721
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: Was there A that's great, mate? I love that. I

722
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: love that in the middle of an environment that's completely

723
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: not conducive to learning and studying and self improvement, it's

724
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: like the fucking opposite, right, and in the middle of

725
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: the shitfest. So to my listeners, you know, I love you,

726
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: but also you can do amazing shit in the middle

727
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: of the worst, you know, obviously, So was there, Like,

728
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: what's the term was there?

729
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: Like?

730
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: Was there a tipping point? Like did something happen? I

731
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: mean other than you got put inside right?

732
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Well?

733
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: Was that it? Or did you go one day fuck this,

734
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to be this anymore? Or did you

735
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: have a picture of yourself being a thirty five year

736
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: old fucking loser? Like what did something? Like for a

737
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: lot of people, the turning point is some kind of

738
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: internal switch.

739
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I said it was probably being locked up

740
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: to be honest, Like the day I was like, fuck,

741
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: I have two kids, you know, a missus crying. My

742
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: kids are gonna I'm going to miss my kids birthdays

743
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: from you know, I missed the lyrics birthday.

744
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: From one till five. I got out and went to

745
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: his first birthday when he was five years old. Like

746
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: that was that was enough for me? That was your

747
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: fuck up? You know?

748
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: So I owed everything every day in jail to be

749
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: a little bit better every single day. I had to

750
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: make use this time so I could come out and

751
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: be a better person, better human.

752
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: And that was it.

753
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: Like from day one, I was down on the ground

754
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: doing push ups, reading books, calling you know, reading books,

755
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: not just on exercise sise but like how to build

756
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: better relationships like like that, just so that I could

757
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 3: be a better dad, how I could be a better

758
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: person in general, so that I could give back when

759
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: I got out.

760
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: Did you have anyone that supported you or encouraged you

761
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: or mentored you anyone?

762
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: Nah?

763
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: Not really not whilst I was in jail. The people

764
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: that were obviously Demi and the kids and my family,

765
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: and I've got good friends in there as well. But yeah,

766
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: when you're in there, it's kind of like the people

767
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: that I knew in there were just a rating motherfuckers,

768
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So they wanted to do

769
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: bad shit.

770
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

771
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a whole lot of people in jail

772
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: who don't have an agenda of some sort, right.

773
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, that's exactly right.

774
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So and I know that, well,

775
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: since you came out of prison, you've been rolled in

776
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: university and you've finished a degree in exercise science, and

777
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: I know you've been I think you've been accepted to

778
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: do a master's that you're putting on hold. By the way,

779
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: Its fucking well done, so amazing. But you also started

780
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: a business degree when you're in jail as well.

781
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I started a construction management degree. You get

782
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: two options in jail, right, your option to either study

783
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: or work, and there was no way I was working

784
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: in jail, but I have the option to do. There

785
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: was a business diploma I did. It's very small, but

786
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: you know, it was something to get your mind rolling.

787
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: And then I did a construction management degree. I got

788
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: into year three and then I realized, like, this is

789
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: kind of I'm kind of wasting my time here because

790
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: this is not what I want to be. I was

791
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: just studying for the sake of studying at one because

792
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: I didn't want to work for the jail. Really good

793
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: studying skills, but it wasn't I didn't want to come

794
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: out and be chippy anymore. I didn't want to.

795
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: Come out and be a builder anymore. I didn't. I

796
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: didn't want that, and I knew what I wanted to do.

797
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: So it was cool.

798
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: Teach me how to study, teach me how to get resources.

799
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: Not that we could access Google or anything like that

800
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: while you're in jail, but it taught me how, you know,

801
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: to read textbooks and not get brain dead.

802
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: Just out This is quite a disparate kind of direction.

803
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: But do you have like I'm always telling people to study, right,

804
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm always you know, not necessarily formal study, but what's

805
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: your study protocol? Like how do you learn best? Do

806
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: you write? Do you highlight shit in books because you

807
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the internet, as you said, and then take

808
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: notes off that, or like how do you you just

809
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: finished excise science degree a while ago, how do you

810
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: learn in progressive?

811
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: For me, it's been a progressive like that start as

812
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: when I started, I used to literally like we couldn't

813
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: get Google in there, like I said, We'd just get

814
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: all these textbooks and all these papers that our officer

815
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: would send it for us, and I would sit there

816
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 3: and write every single.

817
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: Page of it.

818
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: It would take me hours, and it was just it

819
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: was almost psychotic, the shit I was doing in there,

820
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: Like you'd come in and mysell the screws would come

821
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: into my cell in the morning, and I'd be sitting

822
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 3: there at five to thirty am and from five thirty

823
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: am scribbling on a piece of paper. I don't know

824
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: if any of that sticked, because I don't remember it anymore.

825
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: But that's where I start.

826
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: And then as you start to get a little bit better,

827
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: I think it was kind of when I got out

828
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: of jail, to be honest, where I started getting a

829
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 3: little bit better.

830
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: I started playing video games to study.

831
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: There's a purpose made games on anatomy where I'd have

832
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 3: to like name the bones.

833
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: And the muscles and stuff like that, and that was

834
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: really cool. That was awesome.

835
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: And then I would watch YouTube videos and I would

836
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 3: write down what was good. I would do mind map,

837
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: I'll teach my kids, I'll teach my clients for me.

838
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: When I got out of jail, it was really easy

839
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: to take my UNI stuff and then teach it to

840
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: my clients in a small like it obviously in a

841
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: bite sized version, and.

842
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: That me was like learning.

843
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: Doing teaching was probably the most kind of like cemented.

844
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: Learning skill that I could do. Was just like, right, let's.

845
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 3: Learn this from UNI. Let's do it, and let's teach

846
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: you to our clients who we're doing it. And that

847
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: was kind of like on repeat. You know, someone would

848
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 3: ask me about, you know, how do we break down glucos,

849
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: I'll take take them in a small version.

850
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: If someone teach me how.

851
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: Do we build muscle, and I've taken through a small version,

852
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: you know, and I'll just keep doing that. Then I'll

853
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: be passionate about it, Like I'm really passionate about so

854
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: that helps as well. Now my studying skills is I'll

855
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: actually watch a YouTube video, I'll copy and paste the

856
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: text from the YouTube video. I will put it into

857
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: chat ept and I'll say quiz me, although quiz me

858
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: thirty questions on this video interactive style, one question at

859
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 3: a time, and that makes me cement stuff like no other.

860
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: So how that that is such a that's such a

861
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: clever idea, and it's like so purpose built for you.

862
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, it's great. It really works.

863
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: And I do the same with text if I have

864
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: to read a research paper or I'm like, I'll read

865
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: the research paper once.

866
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: Then I'll just bank it in and I'll be like,

867
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: quiz me thirty times. So it really helps. It really works.

868
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: If anyone's listening out there that's in any sort of education,

869
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: definitely works.

870
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: Give it a shot.

871
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: This is a weird question, but what was the upside

872
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: of prison for you?

873
00:40:51,960 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: The upside of prison was time, the ability learning to reflect, meditate,

874
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: and helping people in jail. I think I helped a

875
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: lot of people in jail come off methadone, all sorts

876
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: of drugs that you know, jail just feeds them. I

877
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: helped them with training and nutrition and purpose. You know,

878
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: I feel like I did. Anyway, I've seen people one

879
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: hundred and forty kilos on one hundred miles of methadone

880
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: or so, and I've seen them wean right off and

881
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: be six percent body fat, And that to me was

882
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: fucking amazing, Right, that was awesome.

883
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have made you a reasonably sought after

884
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: resource in the prison system like that, did you? You

885
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: would have been recently plot pillar, wouldn't you.

886
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

887
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 3: Eventually I had Like when I got to C rating,

888
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: I just lodge as a four man lodge, four people

889
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: in the one joint.

890
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: What does that mean? What does it say?

891
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: Man? Open jail, It's.

892
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: Less segregated, you get more activities to do, you can

893
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: go out to society and work. There's less restrictions. There's

894
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: knives and stuff in there, you know, so it's pretty open.

895
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: Visits are a lot longer. So I worked my way

896
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: up the SEA rating and when I got there as

897
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: a four man, so a four man lodge, and I

898
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: used to I've gotten to this.

899
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: Lodge and I would just like really pick and choose

900
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: who came.

901
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: Into my lodge, right, because you can get all sorts

902
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: of human beings in jail, unfortunately, and I would really

903
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: nail down who went into my lodge, so I used

904
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: to cut it. I used to get veggies because we

905
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: usually get ida spend there. I'd get all my veggies

906
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: and I'd cut all my veggies up into small pieces

907
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: and I'd put them into a crisper. So with ever,

908
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: whenever I had chicken, i'd do veggies and chicken. Handful

909
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: of edges. Chicken had all be in my crisper and

910
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 3: the fridge. And I would always try to pick people

911
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: who weren't going to fucking be pigs. And people would

912
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: come to me and ask me, can I come your lodge.

913
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: I want to lose weight coming to your lodge. I

914
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: want to build muscle. Can I coming to your lodge?

915
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: I want to do this?

916
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: And I'd get some people that would come in and

917
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: they just couldn't handle it, and it'd be a bit

918
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: of a because you know, you're trying to build something

919
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 3: here and some people were.

920
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: Just fucking pissing your pocket a little bit.

921
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, how many how many not necessarily stabbing people, thankfully,

922
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: but how many or how often did you get into

923
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: some kind of heated exchange in prison once a week,

924
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: once a day, once a year, like where it could

925
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: have You know, there was a minor altercation, maybe.

926
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: Like once every couple of months. At the starter was

927
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: pretty close like I was in there four years. You

928
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: get pretty good at removing yourself from confrontation over time.

929
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was probably once every couple of months,

930
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, at the start, was probably once every

931
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: couple of weeks.

932
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: And then I got better at it.

933
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: But again, it all boils down to like who you

934
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: hang around, Like obviously when you get to see you writing,

935
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: you a lesser round fuck it.

936
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, do you reckon that? Not that we'd

937
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: recommend anyone follow your path or go to prison, but

938
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: do you think that being in prison made like you

939
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: have a big work ethic. You work a lot, and

940
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: you work, you work a lot of hours, but also

941
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: what you do is intense because you are with you know,

942
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of clients all day and that is a

943
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: very psychologically and emotionally and physically demanding job. It's not

944
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: like you're doing a job that doesn't require a lot

945
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: of intention or focus or commitment like to I as

946
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: much as anyone in the world. I understand how hard

947
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: it is to train people all day, back to back,

948
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: because with every person you've got to build connection and rapport,

949
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: and you've got to have great energy, and you've got

950
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: to make them feel like they're the only fucking client

951
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: you train today and all that stuff, right, I get it.

952
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: Did Like, because prison is hard, did that make what

953
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: you do how easier?

954
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: I think so? I think so.

955
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: I think learning how to this all comes down to

956
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 3: speaking to people and being around people and getting people

957
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: to do what you want. Like, people in prison are

958
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: really good at getting what they want.

959
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: They come into your like if they want a slice

960
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 2: of bread, right, they will come with what's going on, bray,

961
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: how are your brother? Love your shoes?

962
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: Bro?

963
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: Like?

964
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: They do all the right communication things to get what

965
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: they want right, really good at it, right.

966
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: I think learning how to be around people.

967
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: And how to connect with people in jail and how

968
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: to you know, it's I think you do some medicognition

969
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: stuff as well, Is that right?

970
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

971
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 3: I think kind of a little bit of that as

972
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: well goes a long way, and I think it has

973
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: definitely transferred into my personal training.

974
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: Tell us about your new place, so you're opening a

975
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: and this is a blatant plug everybody, So that down

976
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: the hatches. So you're opening a commercial, you're getting out

977
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: of the garage. When are the doors opening on the

978
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: new place?

979
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: Doors will be open on the sixteenth of December, that's right,

980
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: just gonna soft open. Then. Yeah, I've opened, like I've

981
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: obviously started putting stuff in there. I've started training a

982
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: couple of clients out of there. I've got some squad

983
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: racks there. Obviously, just flash rain the other day, so

984
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: there was a massive waterfall happening, which was interesting. The

985
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: whole place got flooded, which really a lot different to

986
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: what I kind of what happens in the garage. There's

987
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: a lot of problems that I wasn't really ready for.

988
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: So it's definitely been pulling me in all sorts of directions.

989
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: Just being good.

990
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: It's a journey, right, So I'm just trying to embrace

991
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: the mountain, as you said to me once. I try

992
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: to just keep running up that mountain and see what

993
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: happens on the way. So it's been, it's been. It's

994
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: been fun.

995
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: Would you ever think about going back as a visitor

996
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: to prison to I don't know every now and then

997
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: do some work with the guys.

998
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, Yeah, I would.

999
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: I would definitely do that. I think I think there's

1000
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot to be that can be done

1001
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: in prison. I think people can get really really good

1002
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: in prison whatever it is they want to do, if

1003
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: they have the right mind. Like I said, like you

1004
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: can either work or you can study. And you'll be

1005
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 3: surprised how many people just want to work for six

1006
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: dollars a day.

1007
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: It's just it's crazy.

1008
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: No one's studying in jail, and it's like it is

1009
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: the perfect environment, besides not having the internet, to just

1010
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: be able to like stop, apply yourself, get really fucking

1011
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 3: good at something for fucking as many hours as you want,

1012
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: as many days of the week, and just come out

1013
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: of jail a fucking beast. But people choose not to

1014
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: do that for now. Obviously, you know, three kids working,

1015
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, eleven hours. It's like for me to sit

1016
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: down and do my study in.

1017
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: The morning's fucking hard, you know, But I.

1018
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: Could do that all day, Like you could imagine the

1019
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 3: compound effect of that if you could do that every

1020
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: single day for X.

1021
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: Amount of years. I'm not saying go to jail and

1022
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: stuff I can study.

1023
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying, if you are in jail or you

1024
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: are facing jail, I think it's a definitely good time

1025
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: to grab yourself some textbooks and what you want to

1026
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: do and start getting to work.

1027
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Tell us about so apart from the you know, when

1028
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I said to you before what stops people, and you

1029
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: spoke about physiology and genetics and hormones, tell us about

1030
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: the psychology from your perspective of like how you deal

1031
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: with people, how you coach people, the way that you

1032
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: communicate with them, and you know, I was talking to

1033
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: somebody yesterday about this and I basically said, you know,

1034
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: like most people who think they're training at a nine

1035
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: out of ten are training at a four or five. Right,

1036
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: Most people don't really And that's generalized, I know, and

1037
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: that's my experience, but most people don't train very hard,

1038
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: but they think they train very hard. And a lot

1039
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: of people want to train with you until they train

1040
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: with you and then they're like, oh, this is too hard.

1041
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, how do you how do you navigate the

1042
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: psychological and emotional component of helping people change?

1043
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said before, it's definitely different with everyone,

1044
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: but it definitely starts with that building up that word

1045
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: for yourself again and working with the client to try

1046
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: and respect their word again, and then taking that one

1047
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 3: step at a time and building that up to the training.

1048
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: As much as they like.

1049
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: People come in and they see a couple of videos

1050
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, I want to fucking be.

1051
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: As ripped as that guy. I want to train six

1052
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: days a week, and you see it.

1053
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: You see it heaps, and then out of nowhere, they're

1054
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: training six days a week, but the last two weeks

1055
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: and then they're back down in the gutters again and

1056
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: they're thinking, fuck, this is too hard. I don't want

1057
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: to do it. It's like because you just started at

1058
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: the wrong capacity. So I definitely I'm a big, big,

1059
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: big believer in starting in starting small and slow, getting

1060
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 3: yourself some sort of accountability, whether it's coach or friend

1061
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, and just slowly.

1062
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: Working your way up.

1063
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 3: And I always do with everyone. I start them off

1064
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: with you know, one two days a week. I get

1065
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: results from one two days a week. You can get

1066
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 3: results from two days a week. You've seen it, and.

1067
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: Then work into three.

1068
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: You don't have to go straight out of nowhere and

1069
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: never trained before, and then work trained five days a week.

1070
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: Most of people, it doesn't work in this not in

1071
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: this stone age.

1072
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: And as you said, you know, most people who go

1073
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: from zero to sixty don't maintain it. You know, it's like,

1074
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: not only do you not need to do five days

1075
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: a week, the chances of you doing a whole lot

1076
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: of training and maintaining that different if you build up

1077
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: over time. But it's it's almost like you know those

1078
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, those body transformation programs MATE where people start

1079
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: on day one and they fucking they change fifty things. Now,

1080
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm not drinking any booze. I'm not doing this. I'm running,

1081
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm lifting, I'm taking all these supplements. I've had my food,

1082
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: I've steamed this and roasted that and buck that. And

1083
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: the whole time they're waiting for it to be over

1084
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: because it's a finite period of time. And then they firstly,

1085
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: most people don't last the duration, but the ones that do,

1086
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, like a long one is a twelve week

1087
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: one and eighty four day one, and then on day

1088
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: eighty five they're eating shit and sitting on the couch.

1089
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: Gun I did that.

1090
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: So common it becomes more of a like, oh look

1091
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Speaker 3: at me, look at your dad when he was, you know,

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Speaker 3: when he was thirty five.

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Speaker 2: I used to be that rip. I used to do this.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're a mad example of staying in good

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Speaker 3: shape for your whole life. It's a it's a journey.

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Speaker 3: Everything is a journey. You just got to keep rolling.

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Speaker 3: Like so many people I know that have been on

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Speaker 3: these crazy they see these people online, they go, they

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Speaker 3: chuck them on sixteen fifteen hundred calories and they're you know,

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Speaker 3: they're their maintenance is like two five hundred twenty eight hundred,

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Speaker 3: and they're like over one thousand calories deficit, and they

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Speaker 3: do it for like eight months, and then they're so

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Speaker 3: depleted that they don't want to train. They don't want

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Speaker 3: to be in a deficit anymore. I get so many

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Speaker 3: clients coming from these online dudes that are putting people

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Speaker 3: on such load calories and they're just hormonally fucked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're hormonally fucked. They're emotionally and mentally fucked because

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Speaker 1: they hate their life. And also their brain doesn't work

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Speaker 1: because they're not getting enough glucose and your brain runs

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Speaker 1: on glucose, and they're dehydrated and your brain and your

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Speaker 1: blood's ninety percent water or water.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like the thing about doing something

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Speaker 1: that's not maintainable is that it's not maintainable exactly. So

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Speaker 1: why the fuck?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I did this thing? Mate? It was about two or

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Speaker 1: three years ago at I had six hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: people at Deacon University for an event, and I said,

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Speaker 1: don't overthink this. The room holds six seventy. That's why

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Speaker 1: I know how many people. I said, don't overthink this,

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Speaker 1: but how many of you would like to be fitter, leaner, lighter,

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Speaker 1: like indifferent shape? And nearly every handwinner, maybe six hundred

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Speaker 1: out of six seventy. And I said, now, what if

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Speaker 1: there was a program and I designed a program for

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Speaker 1: you and it was ten weeks and it was one

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Speaker 1: hundred bucks, so it's ten dollars a week. And what

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Speaker 1: you got from me was, in this hypothetical you got

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Speaker 1: a multitude of different fitness programs, stretching programs, strength programs,

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Speaker 1: you know, all graduated for different levels of fitness and

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Speaker 1: different ages, and you've got great recipes and some every

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Speaker 1: day there was a new inspirational video from me, and

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and so I kind of virtually coached

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Speaker 1: you for ten weeks and it's you know, it's one

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Speaker 1: hundred bucks. How many of you would be in? And

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Speaker 1: nearly every hand went up again? Right, And I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: now here's option two. Option two, and you have to

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Speaker 1: be honest with me. Option two is the same as

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Speaker 1: option one, except it's free. But you can't stop once

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Speaker 1: you start, but you have to keep doing it forever.

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Speaker 1: How many of you are in? Hi fucking three people?

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Speaker 1: Because everyone wants to be able to stop. Everyone wants

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Speaker 1: to get out of jail card.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: That's literally the problem. That's the problem. That's why I

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Speaker 3: say it slow something that you can sustain for the

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Speaker 3: rest of your life and find the energy in training.

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Speaker 3: Don't remove the energy from in training.

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Speaker 1: You know, hey mate, I love chatting to you. You're

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Speaker 1: a ripper. We're going to stay in touch. We might

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Speaker 1: do another chat down the track. How do people find

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00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: you and connect with you? And yeah, let people know

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Speaker 1: how they can contact you if they want to be

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Speaker 1: if not now one day in the future connected with

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Speaker 1: you or get some advice or coaching. How does that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, so.

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Speaker 3: Iron Monk Fitness on Instagram or you can search me

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Speaker 3: up on Google, or you can just come down to

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Speaker 3: the new gym at nine to six Tunipean Highway and.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be anywhere for a long time, so.

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Speaker 1: He'll be there twenty six hours a day.

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Speaker 2: Everyone.

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Speaker 1: He'll be the exhausted looking bloke in the corner. We'll

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Speaker 1: say goodbye, Affair, but well done. Nice debut, nice podcast debut,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Craig