1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:24,321 Speaker 1: Approache production for the record. 2 00:00:24,521 --> 00:00:27,761 Speaker 2: Don't try and make you uncomfortable for the record. You 3 00:00:27,801 --> 00:00:30,241 Speaker 2: ain't try and world down stuff for your right. 4 00:00:30,241 --> 00:00:30,921 Speaker 1: For the record. 5 00:00:31,081 --> 00:00:34,201 Speaker 2: Lab on me going all the way way for the record. 6 00:00:34,321 --> 00:00:36,921 Speaker 2: Ain't trying to link, No trying to waste stuff for 7 00:00:37,001 --> 00:00:43,321 Speaker 2: the record, for the record, for the for the record, 8 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:52,241 Speaker 2: for the rate, for the record. 9 00:00:49,961 --> 00:00:50,561 Speaker 1: For the record. 10 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:52,121 Speaker 2: Don't try and make you uncomfortable. 11 00:00:52,921 --> 00:00:57,041 Speaker 3: Right, Welcome to the Clan Season seventeen. Thank you to 12 00:00:57,121 --> 00:01:02,681 Speaker 3: everybody who continues to download our wonderful podcast. I'll tell 13 00:01:02,721 --> 00:01:05,521 Speaker 3: you what, it has been an amazing season to date, 14 00:01:05,641 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: and we are doing something very different today. 15 00:01:08,561 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: I want to say a big shout out. 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,401 Speaker 3: Four K one g up here in Townsville myself and 17 00:01:14,441 --> 00:01:18,321 Speaker 3: today I have a co host, my traveling buddy, my 18 00:01:18,401 --> 00:01:23,321 Speaker 3: business buddy, the man that has walked with me together. 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,401 Speaker 3: We are walking through this journey and it's a journey 20 00:01:26,401 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: that we're both very passionate about and that is making 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,001 Speaker 3: a difference in community, especially with our young people. We 22 00:01:34,081 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: came up here on Sunday and we're invited up here 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: by a fantastic organization that works extremely hard with young 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,441 Speaker 3: people up here whom are under privileged troubled, struggling through 25 00:01:48,521 --> 00:01:52,081 Speaker 3: whatever it may be, through home life, DV, addiction. There's 26 00:01:52,121 --> 00:01:55,881 Speaker 3: so much that we'll go into and unravel through today. 27 00:01:56,521 --> 00:01:59,041 Speaker 3: But welcome Jeremy. Thank you very much. 28 00:01:59,081 --> 00:01:59,321 Speaker 1: Brother. 29 00:01:59,401 --> 00:02:01,121 Speaker 3: It's been an honor on this journey to do this 30 00:02:01,201 --> 00:02:03,281 Speaker 3: with you, and I'm proud of what we're achieving. 31 00:02:03,801 --> 00:02:06,601 Speaker 4: Thanks my brother, And yeah to one oh seven point 32 00:02:06,681 --> 00:02:09,361 Speaker 4: one or four K one G, which is the Murray. 33 00:02:09,161 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: Radio station up here. 34 00:02:10,801 --> 00:02:13,521 Speaker 4: Thanks for the leadership of d Eli that gave us 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: the spot to to record this. But you're right, brother, 36 00:02:17,121 --> 00:02:22,121 Speaker 4: you know here on on Bindle Country or wook Aruba Country. 37 00:02:22,561 --> 00:02:24,361 Speaker 1: It's been a journey, you know. 38 00:02:24,361 --> 00:02:26,681 Speaker 4: A little bit different to the conversation we had several 39 00:02:26,761 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 4: months ago when I first stepped on the Clink podcast 40 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,801 Speaker 4: with you, But this time it was a lived experience 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: that we were embarking on. As you mentioned, an incredible 42 00:02:36,041 --> 00:02:40,441 Speaker 4: organization gave us the opportunity to come to Townsville to 43 00:02:40,561 --> 00:02:44,281 Speaker 4: work with kids through the Alternative Education Program. And these 44 00:02:44,481 --> 00:02:46,921 Speaker 4: you know, these are young people that come from all 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,641 Speaker 4: walks of life, as you mentioned. You know, some were 46 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,201 Speaker 4: learning difficulties, some were just behavioral issues, some you know, 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,241 Speaker 4: coming from really disadvantaged demographics, and you know, the word 48 00:02:57,281 --> 00:03:00,241 Speaker 4: disadvantage probably doesn't do justice to it. Sometimes I don't 49 00:03:00,321 --> 00:03:02,321 Speaker 4: like it. It makes us feel fucking safe in our 50 00:03:02,761 --> 00:03:05,561 Speaker 4: you know, you know, in our humble homes. But the 51 00:03:05,641 --> 00:03:09,481 Speaker 4: reality is, and we've seen it, is that the issues 52 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,601 Speaker 4: here are poverty based. And in this lucky country, poverty 53 00:03:14,641 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: really shouldn't have a place, but it does. 54 00:03:17,361 --> 00:03:19,321 Speaker 3: I'm going to be straight down the line on this one. 55 00:03:19,921 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: This has been a fucking emotional rollercoaster, you know, So let's. 56 00:03:25,001 --> 00:03:26,801 Speaker 1: Take it back a bit, and Jeremy, I am going 57 00:03:26,841 --> 00:03:27,641 Speaker 1: to break this down. 58 00:03:27,841 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: We were approached the end of last year by a 59 00:03:31,001 --> 00:03:36,121 Speaker 3: wonderful organization. I'm just gonna identify a particular woman. Her 60 00:03:36,201 --> 00:03:38,521 Speaker 3: name is Mel, That's all I'm going to say. And 61 00:03:39,041 --> 00:03:45,481 Speaker 3: why we can't we can't mention these organizations, and we'll 62 00:03:45,521 --> 00:03:49,601 Speaker 3: explain why during this conversation. There is a lot of 63 00:03:49,601 --> 00:03:53,121 Speaker 3: bureaucratic bullshit, a lot of politics, and a lot of 64 00:03:53,201 --> 00:03:58,521 Speaker 3: things that unfortunately could jeopardize these wonderful humans out here 65 00:03:58,561 --> 00:04:02,681 Speaker 3: who am doing such amazing things up here. And you know, 66 00:04:03,041 --> 00:04:06,801 Speaker 3: the media has portrayed Townsfall to be this horrific place 67 00:04:06,841 --> 00:04:09,921 Speaker 3: of crime and the youth are out of control and 68 00:04:09,961 --> 00:04:11,041 Speaker 3: we'll send in our wrap. 69 00:04:11,081 --> 00:04:13,041 Speaker 1: The hit squad and the. 70 00:04:13,041 --> 00:04:17,601 Speaker 3: Media have blown it out of fucking proportion by miles, Like, look, 71 00:04:17,681 --> 00:04:20,321 Speaker 3: let's not be in denial of there is a problem 72 00:04:20,401 --> 00:04:23,841 Speaker 3: up here. There is a huge problem. But we have 73 00:04:24,001 --> 00:04:27,601 Speaker 3: spent since Sunday. It is now coming up to Thursday. 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,801 Speaker 3: We haven't stopped from sun up to sundown. We've done 75 00:04:31,801 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: pretty well. Is just sleep, eat and repeat. 76 00:04:35,681 --> 00:04:37,401 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we haven't even slept that much. 77 00:04:37,561 --> 00:04:41,161 Speaker 3: No, it's been very broken, unsettled, and we've pretty well 78 00:04:41,161 --> 00:04:46,321 Speaker 3: come out of a cyclone floods our own families at 79 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,881 Speaker 3: home with no power, and we took a voluntary opportunity 80 00:04:49,961 --> 00:04:54,081 Speaker 3: to bring ourselves to Townsville with the support of this 81 00:04:54,161 --> 00:05:03,201 Speaker 3: wonderful organization who does amazing things through providing clothes, food, education, listening, love, support. 82 00:05:03,481 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Like I could just go on safety. Safety. 83 00:05:07,401 --> 00:05:12,001 Speaker 4: Yeah, these young people walk through the gates and in 84 00:05:12,041 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 4: many cases, you know, we don't know, like, but you know, 85 00:05:14,561 --> 00:05:16,521 Speaker 4: for some of these kids, they walk from hell into 86 00:05:16,521 --> 00:05:20,801 Speaker 4: safety and it is you know, for however many hours 87 00:05:20,801 --> 00:05:24,561 Speaker 4: of that day the school operates. They know they have 88 00:05:24,601 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: a safe place. 89 00:05:25,761 --> 00:05:30,081 Speaker 3: But once it is, isn't it's I spoke to and 90 00:05:30,121 --> 00:05:31,361 Speaker 3: I'll just call her Auntie. 91 00:05:31,361 --> 00:05:34,561 Speaker 1: I won't identify exactly who I'm talking about. She'll understand 92 00:05:34,601 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: and know when this is heard. 93 00:05:35,801 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: But I sat on the floor with an elder Auntie 94 00:05:39,841 --> 00:05:42,241 Speaker 3: today and we had a yarn this morning, and you know, 95 00:05:42,401 --> 00:05:47,761 Speaker 3: it's it's really heartbreaking. We've spent two days with these 96 00:05:47,801 --> 00:05:51,441 Speaker 3: young people in different sort of workshops around. 97 00:05:51,121 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: What they do. 98 00:05:52,081 --> 00:05:57,201 Speaker 3: It's been phenomenal, so rewarding to watch the way that 99 00:05:57,241 --> 00:05:59,841 Speaker 3: these young people, and we're talking about twelve to seventeen 100 00:05:59,921 --> 00:06:03,601 Speaker 3: year olds that embraced us. I thank you all. If 101 00:06:03,601 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: you're listening to this, any of you, you are amazing. 102 00:06:06,281 --> 00:06:09,561 Speaker 3: Be proud of yourself. Keep believing in as Jeremy and 103 00:06:09,601 --> 00:06:14,041 Speaker 3: I spoke of. You know, you just got to dream, visualize, dream, 104 00:06:14,561 --> 00:06:18,561 Speaker 3: and chase it because you are so much better than what. 105 00:06:18,481 --> 00:06:19,801 Speaker 1: You are portrayed to be. 106 00:06:20,001 --> 00:06:24,681 Speaker 3: And people, you know, it doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter, 107 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,281 Speaker 3: just fucking be you. 108 00:06:27,281 --> 00:06:28,641 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I think that's one of the 109 00:06:28,641 --> 00:06:31,281 Speaker 4: beautiful parts about that school that we went to. But 110 00:06:31,801 --> 00:06:34,481 Speaker 4: you know, the multiple facilities, you know, because even the 111 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 4: street university that we attended today, it gives young people 112 00:06:38,681 --> 00:06:40,681 Speaker 4: permission to be them and a. 113 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:44,281 Speaker 3: Big shout out to the Street University. We can, yeah, 114 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,001 Speaker 3: we can basically we can identify them. 115 00:06:46,041 --> 00:06:48,241 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Street University, Townsville, which is part of a 116 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,161 Speaker 4: you know sort of it's one of I think ten 117 00:06:51,281 --> 00:06:54,161 Speaker 4: or fifteen different campuses around the country, the Street University, 118 00:06:54,161 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: which is a great initiative, an initiative of change because 119 00:06:58,681 --> 00:07:01,561 Speaker 4: you know, speaking to the brother there that runs that Scotti, 120 00:07:01,601 --> 00:07:04,241 Speaker 4: I think his name was Yes, that's correct, but you know, 121 00:07:04,281 --> 00:07:06,561 Speaker 4: he was telling me it's only been in operation for 122 00:07:06,601 --> 00:07:08,721 Speaker 4: a couple of years, that's engaged with over a thousand 123 00:07:08,841 --> 00:07:14,001 Speaker 4: kids or young people, and in that time there's been 124 00:07:14,161 --> 00:07:20,041 Speaker 4: a definitive reduction in crime and their factual evidence that 125 00:07:20,121 --> 00:07:22,921 Speaker 4: this program up there at the Street University, in collaboration 126 00:07:23,001 --> 00:07:26,361 Speaker 4: with some other amazing deadly services, is engaging with kids 127 00:07:26,401 --> 00:07:28,921 Speaker 4: and it really engages with them on the basis of 128 00:07:29,321 --> 00:07:31,881 Speaker 4: you know, sort of dealing with drugs and alcohol and 129 00:07:32,001 --> 00:07:35,881 Speaker 4: volatile substance misuse, which has been identified by some of 130 00:07:35,881 --> 00:07:37,361 Speaker 4: the kids that have been brave enough to talk to 131 00:07:37,441 --> 00:07:39,881 Speaker 4: us openly and candidly. 132 00:07:40,881 --> 00:07:42,761 Speaker 1: That that's a problem and that's been an issue. And 133 00:07:42,801 --> 00:07:44,121 Speaker 1: so we talk. 134 00:07:43,961 --> 00:07:46,841 Speaker 4: About, you know, a program that is really giving a 135 00:07:46,881 --> 00:07:48,761 Speaker 4: safe space for young people to come and just be 136 00:07:48,881 --> 00:07:50,281 Speaker 4: free to be them. 137 00:07:51,321 --> 00:07:56,481 Speaker 3: When you say that the openness of showing their vulnerability 138 00:07:56,521 --> 00:08:00,681 Speaker 3: and honesty, I really have to commend some of the 139 00:08:00,721 --> 00:08:04,761 Speaker 3: young people that we engaged with. They didn't know us nothing, 140 00:08:05,601 --> 00:08:11,161 Speaker 3: you know, they embraced us. They basically we're so happy, 141 00:08:11,201 --> 00:08:14,441 Speaker 3: I guess and refreshed to see men like us with 142 00:08:14,801 --> 00:08:19,201 Speaker 3: a story that we have, and they treated us no 143 00:08:19,281 --> 00:08:22,441 Speaker 3: diffult like it was just like we were instantly accepted. 144 00:08:22,481 --> 00:08:26,281 Speaker 3: And having them come up and say excuse me, I 145 00:08:26,321 --> 00:08:29,161 Speaker 3: just want to say thank you. You really had an impact. 146 00:08:29,201 --> 00:08:33,001 Speaker 3: And then sharing certain things which you know, respectfully, we 147 00:08:33,441 --> 00:08:36,081 Speaker 3: just won't talk about and we can't in honor of 148 00:08:37,121 --> 00:08:40,201 Speaker 3: the children the young people, I don't think it's right 149 00:08:40,241 --> 00:08:41,121 Speaker 3: of us to discuss that. 150 00:08:41,241 --> 00:08:44,321 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean some powerful conversations, but like you know, 151 00:08:44,401 --> 00:08:46,801 Speaker 4: two young men that I spoke to this morning, you know, 152 00:08:46,841 --> 00:08:48,641 Speaker 4: I've I've got a real gripe. You know when I 153 00:08:48,681 --> 00:08:50,961 Speaker 4: go into these places and often you know, they see 154 00:08:51,041 --> 00:08:55,481 Speaker 4: us as people of authority, and so their first instinct 155 00:08:55,561 --> 00:08:58,281 Speaker 4: is to call us hey, sir, hey, And really it 156 00:08:58,361 --> 00:09:00,521 Speaker 4: really fucking burns me. Brother, Like I don't want to 157 00:09:00,561 --> 00:09:02,881 Speaker 4: be called sir. You know that it reminds me of 158 00:09:02,921 --> 00:09:06,161 Speaker 4: what you know, the command that police officers as demand 159 00:09:06,201 --> 00:09:08,281 Speaker 4: of you. And I said to these young fellows is 160 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:10,801 Speaker 4: that you don't know me anything like you don't know me, 161 00:09:11,721 --> 00:09:14,681 Speaker 4: and respect is something that should never be demanded. That 162 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:18,321 Speaker 4: respect should be earned. And if I earn your respect, 163 00:09:19,161 --> 00:09:22,521 Speaker 4: then that's an incredible privilege. And then you know there 164 00:09:22,561 --> 00:09:24,841 Speaker 4: is a two way respect that goes on because if 165 00:09:24,841 --> 00:09:28,401 Speaker 4: I earn your respect, you also respect me. But I 166 00:09:28,441 --> 00:09:31,361 Speaker 4: can't I can't command it, I can't demand it upon you. 167 00:09:31,681 --> 00:09:34,521 Speaker 4: And these young these young fellows were so their ears 168 00:09:34,521 --> 00:09:37,321 Speaker 4: were so wide open because I wrote on the wall 169 00:09:37,921 --> 00:09:42,121 Speaker 4: at the Street University that if we if we can't listen, 170 00:09:43,241 --> 00:09:44,441 Speaker 4: then our kids can't be heard. 171 00:09:44,721 --> 00:09:47,201 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that, bro, and I've actually we 172 00:09:47,281 --> 00:09:49,881 Speaker 1: both put it up on our stories and I thought 173 00:09:49,921 --> 00:09:54,161 Speaker 1: that was so powerful. You know, it just has such 174 00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:55,841 Speaker 1: an impact, those. 175 00:09:55,681 --> 00:09:58,801 Speaker 3: Words, and you know that now will be read by 176 00:09:58,881 --> 00:10:01,121 Speaker 3: so many of you, by every by every young person 177 00:10:01,121 --> 00:10:03,721 Speaker 3: that walks in there, and even every adult, because every 178 00:10:03,721 --> 00:10:04,801 Speaker 3: adult needs a reminder. 179 00:10:05,761 --> 00:10:08,161 Speaker 4: Just because the kids are making noise, it doesn't mean 180 00:10:08,161 --> 00:10:10,721 Speaker 4: they feel seen. And one of the big things that 181 00:10:10,761 --> 00:10:13,161 Speaker 4: we're seeing in this in this town. You know, it's 182 00:10:13,201 --> 00:10:15,041 Speaker 4: pretty idyllic, you know, like when you think about the 183 00:10:15,041 --> 00:10:17,441 Speaker 4: Strand and you walk along the esplanade there, it's pretty beautiful. 184 00:10:17,441 --> 00:10:20,041 Speaker 4: It's palm trees, it's you know, it is the gateway 185 00:10:20,081 --> 00:10:23,201 Speaker 4: to the great barrier around this is This. 186 00:10:23,561 --> 00:10:26,321 Speaker 1: Town of Townsville is absolutely gorgeous. 187 00:10:26,401 --> 00:10:29,801 Speaker 3: It's stunning. You know, there's so much beauty to it. 188 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:33,561 Speaker 3: And as we've discussed in the last few days, it 189 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:35,441 Speaker 3: goes town it's fucking soulless. 190 00:10:36,201 --> 00:10:37,721 Speaker 1: I mean it's tragic. I mean, you walk up to 191 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:39,761 Speaker 1: the main city, there's no one any. 192 00:10:39,681 --> 00:10:41,801 Speaker 4: You walk up the main street and there are boarded 193 00:10:41,881 --> 00:10:45,601 Speaker 4: up businesses, There are empty shops, there are broken windows, 194 00:10:45,681 --> 00:10:49,481 Speaker 4: there are empty spaces. It really feels like someone sucked 195 00:10:49,481 --> 00:10:52,001 Speaker 4: the soul or the heart out of this the place. 196 00:10:52,121 --> 00:10:52,401 Speaker 1: Really. 197 00:10:52,841 --> 00:10:56,521 Speaker 4: I mean, we know that the cowboys, you know that 198 00:10:56,721 --> 00:10:59,321 Speaker 4: they're a big part of the heartbeat of this town. 199 00:10:59,561 --> 00:11:01,761 Speaker 3: Let's let's just touch on that for a second, because 200 00:11:01,761 --> 00:11:04,921 Speaker 3: we went for a wander the other night, and I'm 201 00:11:04,961 --> 00:11:07,881 Speaker 3: not going to lie, I've not personally seen such a 202 00:11:07,921 --> 00:11:11,361 Speaker 3: beautiful stadium. It is stunning. It is something that just 203 00:11:11,441 --> 00:11:12,761 Speaker 3: looks like every kid's dream. 204 00:11:12,881 --> 00:11:15,801 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Country Bank Stadium is the stadium that 205 00:11:16,161 --> 00:11:18,881 Speaker 4: every North Queens and kid, you know dreams of putting 206 00:11:18,881 --> 00:11:20,601 Speaker 4: a key a footy on a tee and being able 207 00:11:20,601 --> 00:11:23,241 Speaker 4: to kick it over the post, like like our incredible 208 00:11:23,281 --> 00:11:26,921 Speaker 4: brother JT. But it's it's the pride of it's the 209 00:11:26,961 --> 00:11:28,201 Speaker 4: pride of the town that place. 210 00:11:28,721 --> 00:11:31,921 Speaker 3: What's the good of having such a beautiful stadium with 211 00:11:32,201 --> 00:11:35,321 Speaker 3: a great training facility. But get around it, there's so 212 00:11:35,401 --> 00:11:39,481 Speaker 3: much poverty and so much hardache. Campaign like the contrast 213 00:11:39,521 --> 00:11:41,921 Speaker 3: between the two. You know, you walk on those papers, 214 00:11:41,961 --> 00:11:44,921 Speaker 3: you walk across that bridge, you stand there in awe, 215 00:11:45,081 --> 00:11:49,081 Speaker 3: you're looking at JT's statue and you're respecting and appreciating 216 00:11:49,241 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: a fantastic athlete and a great role model for the community, 217 00:11:53,241 --> 00:11:56,361 Speaker 3: you know, and then you walk away from it and 218 00:11:56,401 --> 00:11:59,881 Speaker 3: it just instantly goes back to that soulas that darkness 219 00:11:59,921 --> 00:12:03,241 Speaker 3: that it's it's just there's. 220 00:12:03,081 --> 00:12:04,321 Speaker 1: No other way to describe it. 221 00:12:04,321 --> 00:12:06,521 Speaker 4: It's I mean we were told, you know, that's that's 222 00:12:06,561 --> 00:12:09,681 Speaker 4: where a huge amount of homelessness and you know, people 223 00:12:09,721 --> 00:12:12,441 Speaker 4: that are affected by mental health, you know, are setting 224 00:12:12,521 --> 00:12:17,201 Speaker 4: up their camps and you know this is the trail 225 00:12:17,321 --> 00:12:20,201 Speaker 4: of tragedy, you know, or the you know, the tragic 226 00:12:20,281 --> 00:12:23,401 Speaker 4: trail that is so present in a in a really 227 00:12:23,441 --> 00:12:26,881 Speaker 4: small town. But you know, one of the saddest parts 228 00:12:26,881 --> 00:12:29,561 Speaker 4: for me is always poverty, the conversation of poverty, because 229 00:12:29,961 --> 00:12:32,441 Speaker 4: you know, poverty affected your life as a young kid, 230 00:12:32,601 --> 00:12:34,521 Speaker 4: poverty affected my life. 231 00:12:34,881 --> 00:12:37,001 Speaker 1: Poverty still exists. 232 00:12:37,041 --> 00:12:40,921 Speaker 4: And you know our media that they they love the word, 233 00:12:41,921 --> 00:12:44,881 Speaker 4: you know, so low socio economic It makes them feel 234 00:12:44,921 --> 00:12:47,721 Speaker 4: fucking safe and fancy. But the reality is, let's get 235 00:12:47,721 --> 00:12:50,321 Speaker 4: to the point, is that there is poverty that is 236 00:12:50,441 --> 00:12:51,721 Speaker 4: driving the root cause. 237 00:12:51,761 --> 00:12:53,001 Speaker 1: And this is not like. 238 00:12:52,921 --> 00:12:57,361 Speaker 4: Poverty is unbiased, sure, aberaging on Trustralia, on people more 239 00:12:57,401 --> 00:13:01,321 Speaker 4: heavily affected by the poverty. But the reality is poverty 240 00:13:01,361 --> 00:13:04,961 Speaker 4: is unbiased in a town like town here that low low, 241 00:13:05,401 --> 00:13:08,601 Speaker 4: you know, unemployment rates are pretty high. 242 00:13:08,681 --> 00:13:11,361 Speaker 1: You just look, let's just throw the cards on the 243 00:13:11,401 --> 00:13:11,961 Speaker 1: table here. 244 00:13:12,041 --> 00:13:15,321 Speaker 3: Let's look at the diversity within the school, like you know, 245 00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:17,161 Speaker 3: that holds one hundred and four or one hundred and 246 00:13:17,241 --> 00:13:19,681 Speaker 3: nine students I think it was, and I think a capacity. 247 00:13:19,721 --> 00:13:22,881 Speaker 3: Whilst we were there, we sixty two to sixty four 248 00:13:23,441 --> 00:13:26,681 Speaker 3: over the course of the two days. Now within this 249 00:13:27,041 --> 00:13:30,761 Speaker 3: small space that this fantastic school. 250 00:13:32,081 --> 00:13:38,721 Speaker 1: Is working. Its magic is just this. You've got to 251 00:13:38,801 --> 00:13:39,841 Speaker 1: see it to believe it. 252 00:13:39,921 --> 00:13:43,161 Speaker 3: Really, you can't really put it into words. Just the 253 00:13:43,281 --> 00:13:48,761 Speaker 3: diversity of young persons who are there. It is such 254 00:13:48,921 --> 00:13:53,001 Speaker 3: a mixed bag. Yet yet they're all in the same boat. 255 00:13:53,281 --> 00:13:55,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they sit on the same floor together, 256 00:13:55,201 --> 00:13:58,081 Speaker 4: they eat together, they converse together. You know, these are 257 00:13:58,161 --> 00:14:01,001 Speaker 4: kids that come from different worlds, but their worlds collide 258 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:05,401 Speaker 4: inside the safety and the sanctity of you know, this 259 00:14:05,481 --> 00:14:10,241 Speaker 4: alternative education place. And you know, it crosses every demographic 260 00:14:10,361 --> 00:14:14,441 Speaker 4: right because you know, there's there's young boys, young women, 261 00:14:14,721 --> 00:14:17,801 Speaker 4: there's you know, kids that are exploring all facets of 262 00:14:17,841 --> 00:14:21,481 Speaker 4: their identity, both sexually, you know, and how they how 263 00:14:21,521 --> 00:14:24,081 Speaker 4: they present. But you know also you know culturally, you 264 00:14:24,081 --> 00:14:28,961 Speaker 4: know Pacific Island, tors, straight, Aboridinal, you know, Anglo Australian. 265 00:14:29,161 --> 00:14:34,201 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's pretty well represented across the across 266 00:14:34,241 --> 00:14:36,241 Speaker 4: the demographics. And then you have a mix of teachers 267 00:14:36,361 --> 00:14:38,601 Speaker 4: that come from all walks of life. And then every 268 00:14:38,601 --> 00:14:42,121 Speaker 4: classroom are supported by a social worker. 269 00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:43,601 Speaker 1: And that's a really. 270 00:14:43,481 --> 00:14:46,481 Speaker 4: Beautiful initiative because you know, tragically, you know, one of 271 00:14:46,481 --> 00:14:49,681 Speaker 4: the one of the greatest challenges that the education of 272 00:14:49,841 --> 00:14:53,081 Speaker 4: young people effaces today is that you know, so many, 273 00:14:53,281 --> 00:14:56,841 Speaker 4: so many teachers burn out because of the social pressures 274 00:14:56,841 --> 00:14:59,201 Speaker 4: that teachers are, you know, that's put on teachers and 275 00:14:59,361 --> 00:15:02,521 Speaker 4: that they become have to become social workers. Often many 276 00:15:02,521 --> 00:15:04,561 Speaker 4: teachers don't get in the way of you know, into 277 00:15:04,561 --> 00:15:06,321 Speaker 4: the world of education because they want to be a 278 00:15:06,321 --> 00:15:08,961 Speaker 4: social worker, they want to be an educator. But they 279 00:15:09,001 --> 00:15:11,721 Speaker 4: find themselves, you know, spending forty percent of their day, 280 00:15:12,041 --> 00:15:14,601 Speaker 4: you know, like they're dealing with the pressures that live 281 00:15:14,681 --> 00:15:18,001 Speaker 4: outside of school. You know, they're responsible for the education 282 00:15:18,081 --> 00:15:21,441 Speaker 4: of our children between nine and three every day, but 283 00:15:21,721 --> 00:15:24,401 Speaker 4: they're dealing with the tragedy of what happens at home. 284 00:15:24,561 --> 00:15:26,601 Speaker 3: That's a better say, But what about also too when 285 00:15:26,601 --> 00:15:29,281 Speaker 3: they go home to their own families, husbands and children, 286 00:15:29,321 --> 00:15:32,441 Speaker 3: and you know, like we talk of how we're feeling 287 00:15:32,481 --> 00:15:35,721 Speaker 3: right at this moment, we've been so emotionally invested, and 288 00:15:36,321 --> 00:15:37,801 Speaker 3: you know people are going to say, oh, you know, 289 00:15:37,921 --> 00:15:41,081 Speaker 3: you you don't You've got to emotionally detach from this 290 00:15:41,161 --> 00:15:41,641 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. 291 00:15:41,681 --> 00:15:42,121 Speaker 1: All of my. 292 00:15:42,081 --> 00:15:44,481 Speaker 3: Attitude to you is fuck up because at the end 293 00:15:44,481 --> 00:15:46,401 Speaker 3: of the day, if you're not one hundred percent committed 294 00:15:46,401 --> 00:15:47,841 Speaker 3: to what you're doing. When it comes to this sort 295 00:15:47,841 --> 00:15:50,081 Speaker 3: of stuff and not emotionally connecting, you shouldn't be doing 296 00:15:50,081 --> 00:15:51,841 Speaker 3: it because if you think it's just a nine to 297 00:15:51,961 --> 00:15:54,801 Speaker 3: five to go in there and get paid, that's not 298 00:15:54,881 --> 00:15:58,441 Speaker 3: the job for you. You cannot be genuine unless you 299 00:15:58,481 --> 00:16:02,761 Speaker 3: are totally invested in what's going on. And I look 300 00:16:02,761 --> 00:16:05,361 Speaker 3: at you, and I know you said to me to unstairs, Bro, 301 00:16:05,481 --> 00:16:07,121 Speaker 3: you look tired, jose Mate, I'm shot. 302 00:16:07,721 --> 00:16:08,561 Speaker 1: You're the same man. 303 00:16:08,761 --> 00:16:12,281 Speaker 3: And we're dealing with not only what we've taken on here, 304 00:16:12,801 --> 00:16:17,681 Speaker 3: what we're processing, what we are now downloading and putting 305 00:16:17,721 --> 00:16:21,681 Speaker 3: into this podcast now to give you the listener the truth. 306 00:16:21,961 --> 00:16:25,201 Speaker 3: And this is why we're doing this, is because the 307 00:16:25,241 --> 00:16:28,401 Speaker 3: truth needs to be told. And let's let's just let's 308 00:16:28,401 --> 00:16:30,921 Speaker 3: just jump back for a second, because I. 309 00:16:30,841 --> 00:16:32,241 Speaker 1: Think this is important. 310 00:16:33,161 --> 00:16:37,601 Speaker 3: We come up here because the media put up that 311 00:16:37,641 --> 00:16:42,161 Speaker 3: there was massive issues up here with troubled youth. They 312 00:16:42,241 --> 00:16:46,281 Speaker 3: needed a hand from some strong people who have lived 313 00:16:46,321 --> 00:16:49,921 Speaker 3: experience to be able to come and try and connect 314 00:16:49,961 --> 00:16:54,481 Speaker 3: with our young people. Brother, can I can I ask 315 00:16:54,561 --> 00:16:59,881 Speaker 3: you what what's your opinion of this media portrayment of 316 00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:03,881 Speaker 3: an emergency of youth that they need to fucking fund 317 00:17:03,921 --> 00:17:05,761 Speaker 3: a whole heap of coppers and send them up here 318 00:17:05,761 --> 00:17:08,201 Speaker 3: with a hit squad to run through doors and you know, 319 00:17:08,281 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: absolutely just terrorize families and throw kids into a shitty 320 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,641 Speaker 3: place called Cleveland. That mind you, these young young offenders. 321 00:17:16,681 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: And look, we're not here saying that it's okay. There's 322 00:17:19,441 --> 00:17:20,681 Speaker 3: consequences for actions. 323 00:17:21,001 --> 00:17:21,761 Speaker 1: We all know that. 324 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: But there's a way of dealing with things, and there's 325 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,401 Speaker 3: a way that shouldn't be. What we can tell you 326 00:17:28,521 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: is the way that these young people are being treated 327 00:17:30,681 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: and how they are treated locked up is disgusting. 328 00:17:33,681 --> 00:17:37,081 Speaker 1: When you're an adult and they short staff, naturally, they 329 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,321 Speaker 1: lock the jail down. You do time. 330 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,161 Speaker 3: You could be there for a day, two, three times. 331 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,521 Speaker 3: Whatever you're in your cell, you don't get out. It's 332 00:17:44,561 --> 00:17:48,761 Speaker 3: hard enough as an adult to process that. You're talking about. 333 00:17:48,521 --> 00:17:50,321 Speaker 1: Twelve year old thirteen forteen year. 334 00:17:50,201 --> 00:17:53,921 Speaker 3: Old boys and girls who already are traumatized and broken, 335 00:17:54,201 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: who are just left in cells. The place smells like piss, 336 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: it stinks like shit. It is absolutely riddled with just 337 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: you know, fucking diseases that shouldn't be. That it's an 338 00:18:06,281 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: unsafe and an unclean place. They have this beautiful oval. 339 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,921 Speaker 3: They don't get to use it, like they have these 340 00:18:13,041 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: education programs that aren't even delivered because there is a 341 00:18:17,241 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: lack of staff. But yet their first thing is to 342 00:18:20,321 --> 00:18:21,521 Speaker 3: lock these kids up. 343 00:18:21,481 --> 00:18:22,321 Speaker 1: Through them in there. 344 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,361 Speaker 4: And you know, for the listener, let's we haven't actually 345 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: been inside Cleveland this trip. We haven't been afforded that opportunity, 346 00:18:30,961 --> 00:18:33,921 Speaker 4: which is totally fine. But you know, I have been 347 00:18:33,921 --> 00:18:37,321 Speaker 4: into Cleveland on a number of occasions, you know, in 348 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,561 Speaker 4: the last well not in the last two years, but 349 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,681 Speaker 4: certainly I was spending a fair bit of time doing 350 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 4: some work at one point up there. I have seen 351 00:18:46,001 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 4: the reflections of the words of people that, you know, 352 00:18:48,481 --> 00:18:50,201 Speaker 4: we're brave enough to sit down with us and talk 353 00:18:50,201 --> 00:18:52,561 Speaker 4: to us about this place. But you know, the tragedy 354 00:18:52,561 --> 00:18:57,561 Speaker 4: of this is that we keep seeing these statistics that 355 00:18:57,761 --> 00:19:00,481 Speaker 4: you know, even today, as early as today, New South 356 00:19:00,481 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: Wales had a news article that you know, the incarceration 357 00:19:04,201 --> 00:19:06,321 Speaker 4: of young people was by twenty percent, and it's almost 358 00:19:06,321 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: said like a celebratory statement. I mean, yeah, I mean, 359 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,081 Speaker 4: like the fuck, like, no, not one prison sentence that 360 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,721 Speaker 4: you did that I faced, or anyone I know actually 361 00:19:18,761 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 4: made or contributed to making us or them a better person. 362 00:19:23,801 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: In fact, these places hit like a hammer and fucking 363 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 4: ingrain trauma into you deeper and deeper every day. And 364 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 4: segregation destroys humanity because as humans, we are meant to engage, 365 00:19:42,481 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 4: We are meant to sit together. And when you have 366 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,281 Speaker 4: segregation in you know, and you are put in isolation, 367 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,481 Speaker 4: it is so traumatic. 368 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Let's just talk about that for a second. 369 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,641 Speaker 3: And I want to talk on the fact of our 370 00:19:57,721 --> 00:20:01,041 Speaker 3: young Indigenous that are incarcerated there, which is which is 371 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: quite high. 372 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: Let's not let's look better around the bush. I think 373 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: it's eighty percent. 374 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: Well there you go, so eighty percent, and we know 375 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 3: that they're already struggling to lock them in a cell. 376 00:20:14,321 --> 00:20:16,161 Speaker 3: The mental trauma that they would be. 377 00:20:16,321 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: Enduring is not okay. He's not okay for anybody. But 378 00:20:22,201 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: I just specifically want to just touch. 379 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,881 Speaker 4: On that with our first nations because I mean, statistically 380 00:20:29,921 --> 00:20:31,041 Speaker 4: around the country. 381 00:20:30,761 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: We see a lot of trauma and a lot of 382 00:20:32,441 --> 00:20:33,561 Speaker 1: suicide come from that. 383 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean look around the country. I think our 384 00:20:36,561 --> 00:20:39,321 Speaker 4: rates are about seventy eight percent of the population in 385 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,281 Speaker 4: all juvenile detensions around this country are made up of 386 00:20:42,321 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: Aboriginal trustrail on people. I think in the Northern Territory, 387 00:20:46,441 --> 00:20:49,321 Speaker 4: at one point last year, one hundred percent of the 388 00:20:49,441 --> 00:20:53,801 Speaker 4: kids incarcerated were black, and when you go across into 389 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,681 Speaker 4: Wa it doesn't decline that much more. 390 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,041 Speaker 1: So, what we do know. 391 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,001 Speaker 4: Is that statistically, Aboriginal Toro austrail And kids are five 392 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,561 Speaker 4: times more likely to be sentenced than a non indigenous 393 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,761 Speaker 4: kid for the same crime. And so what we you 394 00:21:06,761 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 4: know in this narrative of an incarceration nation, is a 395 00:21:11,961 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: narrative that is fucking very true when that is the 396 00:21:15,801 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: alternative in this lucky country. And I keep saying this 397 00:21:18,481 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: because Australia is coined as a lucky country and for 398 00:21:21,801 --> 00:21:24,001 Speaker 4: some people it is lucky, but not for everyone. 399 00:21:24,961 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to agree with that. 400 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 4: And look, and don't get me wrong, I fucking love Australia. 401 00:21:29,761 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Oh mate, We're blessed. 402 00:21:30,761 --> 00:21:33,201 Speaker 3: We live in a beautiful, beautiful place, you know, where 403 00:21:33,241 --> 00:21:35,481 Speaker 3: we were not struggling from war. 404 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,281 Speaker 1: We don't sort of have We do have poverty, obviously, 405 00:21:39,321 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: but we don't have the poverty levels of some of 406 00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: these war torn countries where you know, like you just 407 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,321 Speaker 1: couldn't imagine. But people are living and. 408 00:21:47,321 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 3: They're smiling, and they're getting up every day and finding 409 00:21:50,201 --> 00:21:54,121 Speaker 3: a way here. I just think that the way that 410 00:21:54,201 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 3: things are portrayed, the things that are put into the media, 411 00:21:58,921 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: and how it's actually delivered is so far from the truth. 412 00:22:03,561 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: Once again, there is no denial that there is an 413 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: issue up here with youth crime, but there's no denial 414 00:22:09,681 --> 00:22:10,961 Speaker 3: that that's anywhere in Australia. 415 00:22:11,041 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we I mean, you flipped me an 416 00:22:12,681 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 4: article today about you know, a tragic story about you know, 417 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,041 Speaker 4: four young girls in Upper Kumera, just up the road 418 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,921 Speaker 4: for me and yourself on the Gold Coast that you know, one. 419 00:22:21,761 --> 00:22:23,201 Speaker 1: Critically injured in the stolen car. 420 00:22:23,281 --> 00:22:26,121 Speaker 4: It was a conversation yesterday that I had is that 421 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,161 Speaker 4: you know, this will never leave you. 422 00:22:28,321 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a very That's why I sent it 423 00:22:30,761 --> 00:22:33,721 Speaker 3: to you because it was a very very relevant. 424 00:22:34,001 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't leave you, you know, whether it 425 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 4: you know, as a young person, whether it be you know, 426 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,321 Speaker 4: the death of you know a friend who was on 427 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: a motorbike and fucking flies up the road and you know, 428 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,721 Speaker 4: lays it on the side and his head hits the 429 00:22:46,761 --> 00:22:48,881 Speaker 4: back of a park car and you know pretty much 430 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,761 Speaker 4: you know, takes his head off as a young kid, 431 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,681 Speaker 4: or you know, sort of a couple of young kids. 432 00:22:52,801 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 4: I remember walking past Manley West Public School when I 433 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,241 Speaker 4: was you know, maybe twelve or thirteen, and a few 434 00:22:57,241 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 4: of the brothers. They pulled up in a stolen car 435 00:22:59,441 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 4: and for whatever reason that day, I didn't jump in it. 436 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,201 Speaker 4: But the car only got two hundred and fifty meters 437 00:23:04,281 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 4: up the road, up you know, up to Condomine Street, 438 00:23:06,681 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 4: and they wrapped the car around them. 439 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,121 Speaker 1: You know, I heard it. I ran to it. 440 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 4: I was the first one there and then had to 441 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,961 Speaker 4: run away from it because you know, I wasn't involved 442 00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:17,241 Speaker 4: in the car, but I didn't want. 443 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't want the fact that well. 444 00:23:19,241 --> 00:23:22,241 Speaker 3: There was there was repercussions for you even going to assist, 445 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: wasn't there. Yeah, police try and you know, pinging on 446 00:23:25,281 --> 00:23:27,161 Speaker 3: you that you were involved in the car when all 447 00:23:27,201 --> 00:23:29,961 Speaker 3: you were trying to do is actually assist in some way. 448 00:23:30,001 --> 00:23:30,921 Speaker 1: And what can you do though? 449 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,721 Speaker 4: And it doesn't it It destroys your life like death 450 00:23:34,761 --> 00:23:37,321 Speaker 4: destroys you, you know, and you know, tragically, both you 451 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,841 Speaker 4: and me have you know, we've been confronted with it, 452 00:23:39,921 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 4: you know, time and time again, over multiple you know, 453 00:23:42,201 --> 00:23:45,441 Speaker 4: whether it's through tragic accidents, whether it's through suicide, whether 454 00:23:45,481 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 4: it's through murder. You know, like it's like it's fuck, 455 00:23:48,441 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 4: it's it's it's a tragedy. And you know, like as humans, 456 00:23:52,761 --> 00:23:58,521 Speaker 4: we're meant to love and care for each other, and. 457 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,521 Speaker 1: It destroys you. 458 00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:59,281 Speaker 4: It takes a little bit from your heart every time 459 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: you know, something like that happens. And you know, for 460 00:24:02,761 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 4: these young kids that we were working face to face with, 461 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: you know, that was the big thing that is trying 462 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,521 Speaker 4: to flip the script on this is having real life 463 00:24:08,521 --> 00:24:11,041 Speaker 4: conversations that I think yesterday I said that if you 464 00:24:11,041 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 4: can't say it, you'll never see it. 465 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,921 Speaker 1: If you can't see it, you'll never be it. 466 00:24:14,561 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 4: And you know, that's a big part of the narrative 467 00:24:16,681 --> 00:24:18,521 Speaker 4: of what I want to tell these kids is that 468 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,041 Speaker 4: you know, it's never too late to change your life around, 469 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: or turn it around, or change the trajectory of your life. 470 00:24:24,281 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: I believe that you and me are both living proof 471 00:24:26,761 --> 00:24:30,201 Speaker 4: of that. You know that as you know, forty year 472 00:24:30,241 --> 00:24:31,961 Speaker 4: old old men, you know, fifty. 473 00:24:31,801 --> 00:24:33,521 Speaker 1: Year old I love the way you said that forty 474 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,041 Speaker 1: year old man. We've been telling everyone were almost fifty, 475 00:24:36,041 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: which well we are. Let's let's be honest. 476 00:24:37,961 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm closer to let me tell you, 477 00:24:39,721 --> 00:24:41,521 Speaker 4: I'm closer to fifty that I am forty. You look 478 00:24:41,561 --> 00:24:44,201 Speaker 4: at Yeah, I'm actually older than you, especially a couple 479 00:24:44,241 --> 00:24:45,761 Speaker 4: of days with you like my age. 480 00:24:46,241 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to try fucking hanging around with this 481 00:24:51,241 --> 00:24:52,961 Speaker 3: play mister add on steroids. 482 00:24:53,001 --> 00:24:56,321 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Yeah, it's like a tap dancy party everywhere 483 00:24:56,321 --> 00:24:56,481 Speaker 4: I go. 484 00:24:56,681 --> 00:24:56,881 Speaker 1: Yeah. 485 00:24:56,921 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 3: But you know what I really want to say this, 486 00:25:00,001 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: Jeremy and I really organically came together on this project, 487 00:25:05,521 --> 00:25:10,041 Speaker 3: the wonderful organization, And once again I'll just use this 488 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,521 Speaker 3: lovely lady's name and thank you. 489 00:25:11,521 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: A big shout out to you, Mel. You have gone 490 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,681 Speaker 1: over him above in. 491 00:25:15,761 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: Every possible way to make sure that we were accommodated. 492 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: We got here, you know, through the flood, the cyclone. 493 00:25:23,761 --> 00:25:25,881 Speaker 1: You know, everybody just went out of their way. 494 00:25:26,001 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: So we need to really say thank you because the 495 00:25:29,281 --> 00:25:32,041 Speaker 3: appreciation goes so far and above for the efforts. 496 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,281 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we also can't we can't not acknowledge 497 00:25:36,281 --> 00:25:39,801 Speaker 4: the young fellow who you know, became a diehard listener 498 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,801 Speaker 4: of the Clink podcast. 499 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: You know what I think today was. 500 00:25:42,321 --> 00:25:44,561 Speaker 4: Today was a really fucking special day for that young 501 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: follow because like a lot. You know, even though it 502 00:25:47,801 --> 00:25:49,921 Speaker 4: was Mel who put this together and orchestraate it brought 503 00:25:49,921 --> 00:25:50,521 Speaker 4: it all together. 504 00:25:50,561 --> 00:25:51,561 Speaker 1: We'd love to mention his. 505 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,801 Speaker 3: Name, but he is a young person and we we 506 00:25:53,961 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: are going to respect here on this. 507 00:25:56,441 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: He knows who he is. 508 00:25:57,281 --> 00:25:59,281 Speaker 4: He does know who he is, and you know, he 509 00:25:59,321 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 4: became a massive fan of you and as a result, 510 00:26:02,721 --> 00:26:03,721 Speaker 4: you know, drove it to Mel. 511 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,681 Speaker 1: Mel became fascinated with the stories. 512 00:26:05,721 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 4: She heard our story where our young and as a result, 513 00:26:09,241 --> 00:26:12,961 Speaker 4: you know, as a result, this organically turned into an opportunity. 514 00:26:13,721 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: And so from that, from that very point, today was 515 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:23,401 Speaker 4: a great, great celebratory experience because you know, for those 516 00:26:23,441 --> 00:26:27,561 Speaker 4: that don't know, Simo is a rap extraordinary. You know, 517 00:26:28,201 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 4: in fact, I'm now calling him eminemed. 518 00:26:31,921 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: Out two versus and a chorus. 519 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: He can put some beats down and he can lay 520 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: some bars. And I'm not talking about the picnics that 521 00:26:40,961 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: we've had every day. But the reality is, did you 522 00:26:43,801 --> 00:26:45,481 Speaker 1: actually think that that was all right? Seriously? 523 00:26:45,561 --> 00:26:49,161 Speaker 3: Like I'm being straight up, like straight up, was it okay? 524 00:26:49,201 --> 00:26:51,521 Speaker 1: Because you are that is your gig, that's your jam, 525 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,201 Speaker 1: you are a music man, and like, yeah, I. 526 00:26:54,201 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 4: Just have such deep respect for anyone that can that 527 00:26:58,521 --> 00:27:02,161 Speaker 4: can that can sing into a microphone. So because when 528 00:27:02,201 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 4: you when you're faced to rap or whatever, you sing whatever, 529 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,721 Speaker 4: you very vulnerable because there's nothing, there's no holes back 530 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 4: like you're being recorded. So you know, I have a 531 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 4: huge amount of respect for it. And the fact is 532 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: that we were telling a story for the young people, 533 00:27:17,321 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 4: you know, like and that was it, you know, for 534 00:27:19,001 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 4: this young fellow next to you. I didn't necessarily, you know, 535 00:27:23,921 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 4: at first care to even listen to the words that 536 00:27:27,281 --> 00:27:31,521 Speaker 4: you were saying because I was so enthralled with the 537 00:27:32,041 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: happiness on his face. I mean, this young fifteen year 538 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:38,041 Speaker 4: old kid was being heard, he has been listened to, 539 00:27:38,321 --> 00:27:43,041 Speaker 4: he was being loved, was we were paying attention to him, 540 00:27:43,441 --> 00:27:45,801 Speaker 4: you know, and there was so much pride in him. 541 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,001 Speaker 4: And you know, for me, yeah, sure, I've made a 542 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,561 Speaker 4: living as a musician, as an artist, you know, collective, 543 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,001 Speaker 4: you know, as a poet. You know, when I was 544 00:27:53,041 --> 00:27:54,921 Speaker 4: locked up as a kid, I was you know, I 545 00:27:54,961 --> 00:27:57,001 Speaker 4: was a rapper because I was too embarrassed to say 546 00:27:57,041 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 4: that I was a poet. But the reality is is 547 00:27:58,921 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 4: that you know, like the sadness and the trauma and 548 00:28:01,441 --> 00:28:04,041 Speaker 4: all of those things, they they give us the ability 549 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 4: to betic expressionists. 550 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,201 Speaker 1: I'm actually excited and just quietly. 551 00:28:09,281 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: Guys, we left our last workshop today and as a 552 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: little moment because this young man that he's really doing 553 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 3: well and he's got his life on track. He's a 554 00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:24,281 Speaker 3: role model as far as I'm concerned for the younger mob. 555 00:28:25,321 --> 00:28:27,241 Speaker 1: He's a passionate artist. 556 00:28:28,241 --> 00:28:31,041 Speaker 3: And we were like, what can we do, you know, 557 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,921 Speaker 3: what can we do to make him feel special? Anyway, 558 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: Jeremy is an amazing musician with his ditch and his 559 00:28:38,361 --> 00:28:40,681 Speaker 3: flute just phenomenal. 560 00:28:41,001 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: Anyway, we got in there and I said, let's lay. 561 00:28:42,841 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: Some tracks down, let's get let's get the ditch, we 562 00:28:45,561 --> 00:28:48,041 Speaker 3: get the flute, and then the gentleman there who was 563 00:28:48,081 --> 00:28:51,121 Speaker 3: looking after the mixing and everything started putting a beat 564 00:28:51,161 --> 00:28:53,641 Speaker 3: behind it. Next minute was sitting in there and I 565 00:28:53,681 --> 00:28:56,881 Speaker 3: reckon ten fifteen minutes, we'd written out what three to 566 00:28:56,921 --> 00:29:00,721 Speaker 3: four verses and a chorus that you know, was all 567 00:29:00,801 --> 00:29:04,521 Speaker 3: relative to why we're here, and it just it was 568 00:29:04,601 --> 00:29:06,961 Speaker 3: like it was meant to happen in the way it didn't. 569 00:29:07,001 --> 00:29:11,161 Speaker 3: It just flowed and look like I say, for for us, 570 00:29:11,681 --> 00:29:13,481 Speaker 3: it was an honor. It's a pleasure, and I think 571 00:29:13,521 --> 00:29:17,681 Speaker 3: it'll sound fucking great and it's called for the young'uns. 572 00:29:18,161 --> 00:29:23,281 Speaker 3: So that's we even got a title like shut the 573 00:29:23,281 --> 00:29:28,241 Speaker 3: Gates Mate. It's ready to send out to Spotify and Apple. Absolutely, 574 00:29:28,321 --> 00:29:29,361 Speaker 3: you know, so it was pretty deadly. 575 00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: You need to be able to record some did wed amazing, 576 00:29:32,481 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 4: you know, and put some flute onto it. But not 577 00:29:35,041 --> 00:29:37,601 Speaker 4: only that, you know, be a parting gift too, because 578 00:29:38,081 --> 00:29:41,921 Speaker 4: you know, these guys that are dedicating their lives to 579 00:29:41,961 --> 00:29:44,841 Speaker 4: the young people at the Street University in the studios, 580 00:29:45,521 --> 00:29:48,481 Speaker 4: teaching the kids to write beads, teaching them to express themselves. 581 00:29:49,641 --> 00:29:51,801 Speaker 4: You know that they're searching for samples. So to be 582 00:29:51,801 --> 00:29:54,201 Speaker 4: able to go in there and provide them live samples 583 00:29:55,041 --> 00:29:57,841 Speaker 4: of my music and say, brothers, just use. 584 00:29:57,681 --> 00:30:00,641 Speaker 3: It, which he did openly, openly, just gifted that to 585 00:30:00,721 --> 00:30:02,961 Speaker 3: them to be able to have and that that right 586 00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: there is from you know, a professional or. 587 00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:06,961 Speaker 1: Person is phenomenal. 588 00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:07,201 Speaker 3: Yeah. 589 00:30:07,241 --> 00:30:08,401 Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, I just 590 00:30:08,441 --> 00:30:10,041 Speaker 4: want to see these kids shine. I want to see 591 00:30:10,041 --> 00:30:14,521 Speaker 4: these kids win. And you know, there's this is the 592 00:30:14,561 --> 00:30:19,441 Speaker 4: thing is that you know, the beauty of the way 593 00:30:19,481 --> 00:30:23,361 Speaker 4: this organically came to life. Mother, Is that sure? The 594 00:30:23,521 --> 00:30:26,601 Speaker 4: alternative education platform was part of the reason why this 595 00:30:26,681 --> 00:30:27,321 Speaker 4: came to life. 596 00:30:28,121 --> 00:30:29,161 Speaker 1: But we came up on our. 597 00:30:29,041 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 4: Own terms and you know that a part of me 598 00:30:31,081 --> 00:30:33,681 Speaker 4: is very grateful for that in a way, because we've 599 00:30:33,761 --> 00:30:37,361 Speaker 4: been able, we have been able to dictate the terms 600 00:30:37,361 --> 00:30:39,641 Speaker 4: of our engagement. As a result of that, you know, 601 00:30:39,681 --> 00:30:43,081 Speaker 4: sometimes when I'm contracted, which you know is quite common, 602 00:30:43,161 --> 00:30:45,681 Speaker 4: you know, for me to be contracted to consultative work 603 00:30:46,361 --> 00:30:49,121 Speaker 4: in remote communities or remote parts of Australia, there are 604 00:30:49,121 --> 00:30:52,281 Speaker 4: caveats to my engagement, absolutely, and you are restricted to 605 00:30:52,401 --> 00:30:54,321 Speaker 4: what you can and can't do and see exactly right, 606 00:30:54,361 --> 00:30:57,801 Speaker 4: But we've we've funded our trip and it hasn't been 607 00:30:57,841 --> 00:31:00,441 Speaker 4: on the funding, you know, terms of someone else. 608 00:31:00,481 --> 00:31:02,041 Speaker 1: And it meant that we had a free reign. 609 00:31:02,161 --> 00:31:03,841 Speaker 4: It meant that we could engage with the school and 610 00:31:03,881 --> 00:31:05,841 Speaker 4: ensure that we gave value to the young people at 611 00:31:05,841 --> 00:31:08,281 Speaker 4: the school. But it then also meant that we could 612 00:31:08,321 --> 00:31:11,241 Speaker 4: engage with everyone in the community that was brave enough 613 00:31:11,281 --> 00:31:13,801 Speaker 4: to sit with us. And you know, this is this 614 00:31:13,881 --> 00:31:17,081 Speaker 4: is a little bit harder to talk about because there 615 00:31:17,161 --> 00:31:18,161 Speaker 4: is a lot to be heard. 616 00:31:18,201 --> 00:31:20,001 Speaker 1: There's a lot of voices that need to be heard 617 00:31:20,081 --> 00:31:20,481 Speaker 1: up here. 618 00:31:21,441 --> 00:31:24,241 Speaker 3: But unfortunately there's a lot of gatekeepers that are keeping 619 00:31:24,241 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: people quite holding their jobs over their heads, making them 620 00:31:27,761 --> 00:31:31,401 Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable that if they were to speak out that 621 00:31:31,481 --> 00:31:37,641 Speaker 3: there would be repercussions. This is just like we've seen 622 00:31:37,681 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: it firsthand. And we had sat down with several amazing people. 623 00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:49,321 Speaker 3: These people had information and stories and truths about what 624 00:31:49,961 --> 00:31:55,041 Speaker 3: is truly happening here in Townsville, so informative, some you 625 00:31:55,081 --> 00:32:00,601 Speaker 3: know just wow, quite quite hard hitting stories that really 626 00:32:00,641 --> 00:32:01,481 Speaker 3: needed to be heard. 627 00:32:02,481 --> 00:32:04,521 Speaker 1: But then the moment we open. 628 00:32:04,361 --> 00:32:08,001 Speaker 3: Up that dialogue and that opportunity for them to be 629 00:32:08,081 --> 00:32:11,361 Speaker 3: here right now in studio, we did have a goal 630 00:32:11,441 --> 00:32:13,921 Speaker 3: that we wanted to lock down at least three prominent 631 00:32:13,961 --> 00:32:17,521 Speaker 3: guests that could bring a lot of value to why 632 00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:20,801 Speaker 3: we're here and have a voice on such a you know, 633 00:32:20,921 --> 00:32:23,921 Speaker 3: a big platform of you know, nearly five million downloads 634 00:32:23,921 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: here at the clink, we really felt the pressure of 635 00:32:29,001 --> 00:32:32,761 Speaker 3: these beautiful people because when that time came for them 636 00:32:32,841 --> 00:32:36,921 Speaker 3: to be invited onto the show, it was almost like 637 00:32:37,001 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 3: a red light of oh, I'd love to, but I 638 00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:50,401 Speaker 3: yeah no, And it becomes the gaggled. Everyone's muzzled, they're 639 00:32:50,441 --> 00:32:53,401 Speaker 3: not allowed you. The truth can't come out. And this 640 00:32:53,561 --> 00:32:56,881 Speaker 3: is a major issue, and here we are the beauty 641 00:32:56,921 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 3: about Like what Jeremy was just saying is there is 642 00:33:00,281 --> 00:33:03,281 Speaker 3: nobody muzzling us. There's nobody shutting us up. There is 643 00:33:03,321 --> 00:33:05,641 Speaker 3: nobody telling us what we can and can't say. So 644 00:33:06,361 --> 00:33:08,761 Speaker 3: I just want to speak on behalf of We have 645 00:33:09,481 --> 00:33:12,281 Speaker 3: definitely the fact of what we're talking when we're speaking 646 00:33:12,321 --> 00:33:15,681 Speaker 3: of these were amazing people that had the courage to 647 00:33:15,761 --> 00:33:17,881 Speaker 3: want to come on but felt that if they did 648 00:33:18,961 --> 00:33:21,641 Speaker 3: that it could. 649 00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:23,721 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean jeopardize their family, employment, their family and 650 00:33:23,841 --> 00:33:27,801 Speaker 4: the community. And this is a really daunting thing, right 651 00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:35,841 Speaker 4: because in an apparent demographic democratic society where people should 652 00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:41,241 Speaker 4: be able to have their own opinions, they've been they've 653 00:33:41,241 --> 00:33:44,521 Speaker 4: been they've been told no, that doesn't align with the organization. 654 00:33:44,921 --> 00:33:46,921 Speaker 4: So now you're not allowed to think like that. 655 00:33:46,841 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: As a massive political movement around it. And it all 656 00:33:50,241 --> 00:33:52,401 Speaker 3: comes down to funding, right, because. 657 00:33:52,881 --> 00:33:55,561 Speaker 1: School, we lose the funding and you're sacked. Yeah. 658 00:33:55,961 --> 00:33:58,681 Speaker 4: But you know, here's one of the biggest things, right 659 00:33:58,881 --> 00:34:02,161 Speaker 4: I've spoken about, and this is very directed at first 660 00:34:02,241 --> 00:34:04,681 Speaker 4: Nations people as as you know, sort of an ambassador 661 00:34:04,761 --> 00:34:08,081 Speaker 4: for Nations, you know, advocacy around the country and around 662 00:34:08,121 --> 00:34:10,241 Speaker 4: the world, you know, because I've sat on you know, 663 00:34:10,281 --> 00:34:12,601 Speaker 4: the Declaration of Human Rights for First Nations people at 664 00:34:12,641 --> 00:34:17,801 Speaker 4: the United Nations is that that policies do not fit 665 00:34:18,001 --> 00:34:22,521 Speaker 4: us correct, that the boxes that you need to tick 666 00:34:23,201 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 4: for your funding does not work. In fact, the only 667 00:34:26,041 --> 00:34:28,881 Speaker 4: fucking box that I've ever seen a First nation person 668 00:34:28,921 --> 00:34:30,841 Speaker 4: fit into is the coffin that you bury them in 669 00:34:31,081 --> 00:34:34,081 Speaker 4: as a result of your failed policy. And that to 670 00:34:34,121 --> 00:34:36,121 Speaker 4: me breaks my heart because if we if we're not 671 00:34:36,201 --> 00:34:40,441 Speaker 4: brave enough to start delivering policy that is designed by 672 00:34:40,441 --> 00:34:42,561 Speaker 4: the voices that need it the most. 673 00:34:43,121 --> 00:34:43,721 Speaker 1: And this is the. 674 00:34:44,121 --> 00:34:46,081 Speaker 3: How can we ever break the silence? So we talk 675 00:34:46,081 --> 00:34:48,481 Speaker 3: about survivors and survivors speaking. 676 00:34:48,201 --> 00:34:49,841 Speaker 1: Up, you know what I mean, break the silence? 677 00:34:49,841 --> 00:34:52,961 Speaker 4: How we we have a government you know here in 678 00:34:53,041 --> 00:34:55,401 Speaker 4: Queensland this is talk. You know, David chris a fully 679 00:34:55,401 --> 00:35:00,521 Speaker 4: he shut down the Truth telling and Inquiry and so 680 00:35:01,041 --> 00:35:04,641 Speaker 4: this truth telling inquiry that was established for First nation 681 00:35:04,801 --> 00:35:09,361 Speaker 4: voice to be spoken about about the true history of 682 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,961 Speaker 4: this country he's shut down as one of his first 683 00:35:12,441 --> 00:35:16,361 Speaker 4: liberal commitments. You know that we you know, and as 684 00:35:16,401 --> 00:35:19,201 Speaker 4: a result, you know, all right, so what we've got 685 00:35:19,521 --> 00:35:22,601 Speaker 4: we've got a state that's not interested in the truth. Well, 686 00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:25,001 Speaker 4: what's become very apparent up here in Townsville. To me 687 00:35:25,481 --> 00:35:27,921 Speaker 4: is the truth is not necessarily what they want, no, 688 00:35:28,281 --> 00:35:29,921 Speaker 4: and that is that is the facts. 689 00:35:30,001 --> 00:35:33,281 Speaker 3: And you know, we have this ability to be able 690 00:35:33,321 --> 00:35:36,721 Speaker 3: to deliver the truth. And I am so grateful that 691 00:35:36,761 --> 00:35:40,201 Speaker 3: we've been able to come up here. And as Jeremy said, 692 00:35:40,241 --> 00:35:42,721 Speaker 3: we're obliged to know one. You know, we're up here 693 00:35:42,761 --> 00:35:44,601 Speaker 3: on our own. We're not getting paid to be here, 694 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:48,841 Speaker 3: We're not contracted to be here. Yes, we have built 695 00:35:49,041 --> 00:35:52,921 Speaker 3: and are building something amazing that we're going to take nationwide. 696 00:35:53,241 --> 00:35:55,921 Speaker 1: Jeremy and myself, we have a vision, we have. 697 00:35:56,601 --> 00:35:59,521 Speaker 3: A belief, we know what we have will work, and 698 00:35:59,561 --> 00:36:02,121 Speaker 3: we are networking with some amazing people and a big 699 00:36:02,161 --> 00:36:04,001 Speaker 3: shout out to all you orgs out there that we. 700 00:36:03,961 --> 00:36:05,041 Speaker 1: Connected with up here. 701 00:36:05,361 --> 00:36:08,561 Speaker 3: We truly cannot wait to have that opportunity to continue 702 00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:11,801 Speaker 3: the growth and the positivity around what we want to 703 00:36:11,801 --> 00:36:17,001 Speaker 3: deliver and help community with and it goes far and wide. 704 00:36:16,721 --> 00:36:20,081 Speaker 3: The biggest thing, and I'll say it again and we're 705 00:36:20,121 --> 00:36:23,641 Speaker 3: going to keep saying, is the fucking silence here in 706 00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:27,721 Speaker 3: Townsville is fucking disgusting from a point of view of 707 00:36:27,761 --> 00:36:31,841 Speaker 3: what people can and can't say, because they feel threatened 708 00:36:31,841 --> 00:36:34,761 Speaker 3: and intimidated by the bigger people, the people that are 709 00:36:34,761 --> 00:36:38,441 Speaker 3: making the payments every week to their accounts, the gatekeepers 710 00:36:38,521 --> 00:36:42,481 Speaker 3: of each organization that's too fucking scared that they may 711 00:36:42,561 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 3: lose funding if some truth comes out. 712 00:36:44,721 --> 00:36:47,241 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it would be devastating. 713 00:36:47,281 --> 00:36:50,561 Speaker 4: Even organization that was delivering a frontline service was defunded 714 00:36:50,561 --> 00:36:54,281 Speaker 4: as a result of an opinion because the opinions because 715 00:36:54,441 --> 00:36:58,081 Speaker 4: people a fucking egos getting the way right, we're missing 716 00:36:58,121 --> 00:37:02,881 Speaker 4: the point that this is about frontline delivery service for 717 00:37:03,041 --> 00:37:05,921 Speaker 4: addressing the social concerns of this town. 718 00:37:06,361 --> 00:37:06,641 Speaker 1: Correct. 719 00:37:07,281 --> 00:37:09,041 Speaker 4: And you know, one of the biggest things as well 720 00:37:09,161 --> 00:37:12,241 Speaker 4: is that you know that let's be straight, like I 721 00:37:12,761 --> 00:37:16,041 Speaker 4: live I live on the Gold Coast. I've got family 722 00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:20,241 Speaker 4: in Townsville. I've got family on Palm Island. I've got 723 00:37:20,401 --> 00:37:24,561 Speaker 4: family all up in North Queensland. The narrative of the 724 00:37:24,641 --> 00:37:31,201 Speaker 4: social media around Townsville is fucking racist. Yeah, you know, 725 00:37:31,361 --> 00:37:35,641 Speaker 4: like the racial prejudice that exists in this town. That is, Oh, 726 00:37:35,681 --> 00:37:38,281 Speaker 4: it's okay to say whatever I want on that platform, 727 00:37:39,481 --> 00:37:41,521 Speaker 4: and that's it. Look, I'm not I'm not I'm not 728 00:37:41,601 --> 00:37:44,841 Speaker 4: discrediting the fact that you know, if your house has 729 00:37:44,881 --> 00:37:48,721 Speaker 4: been broken into, it's sad because it's an incredible invasion 730 00:37:48,761 --> 00:37:52,641 Speaker 4: of your privacy, disgusting, it is, it's ship they're like people, 731 00:37:52,921 --> 00:37:53,721 Speaker 4: it's not okay. 732 00:37:53,881 --> 00:37:55,081 Speaker 1: So I'm not condoning it. 733 00:37:55,121 --> 00:37:58,321 Speaker 4: You know, these kids are not criminals, Brus. They're not 734 00:37:58,361 --> 00:38:00,561 Speaker 4: trying to make an earn. They're not These kids are 735 00:38:00,641 --> 00:38:01,761 Speaker 4: just hungry. 736 00:38:01,881 --> 00:38:03,561 Speaker 3: And this is the thing, and I think what people 737 00:38:03,601 --> 00:38:06,321 Speaker 3: need to realize is we have been out there in 738 00:38:06,401 --> 00:38:07,841 Speaker 3: these fucking red zones. 739 00:38:07,881 --> 00:38:09,801 Speaker 1: We have been in the trenches. We have walked it 740 00:38:09,841 --> 00:38:11,761 Speaker 1: at night, we have put ourselves out there. 741 00:38:11,601 --> 00:38:15,201 Speaker 3: We have spoken to people on the streets, We've spoken 742 00:38:15,241 --> 00:38:18,041 Speaker 3: to the security guards, We've had to engage with fucking 743 00:38:18,041 --> 00:38:22,721 Speaker 3: watching police go around like they're fucking anyway, not having 744 00:38:22,761 --> 00:38:23,961 Speaker 3: any get on that bandwagon. 745 00:38:24,081 --> 00:38:27,881 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is this is fact. What we 746 00:38:27,921 --> 00:38:29,721 Speaker 1: are saying. This is no bullshit. 747 00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:32,081 Speaker 3: And the beautiful thing about it is no one's going 748 00:38:32,161 --> 00:38:34,761 Speaker 3: to fucking silence us about it. 749 00:38:34,761 --> 00:38:35,281 Speaker 1: It's wrong. 750 00:38:35,481 --> 00:38:37,681 Speaker 4: Well you know, I'm going to refuse to be so 751 00:38:37,841 --> 00:38:39,401 Speaker 4: you know, I guess the beauty of the of the 752 00:38:39,761 --> 00:38:40,721 Speaker 4: of the life that I. 753 00:38:40,761 --> 00:38:42,321 Speaker 1: That I live today, Brus. 754 00:38:42,521 --> 00:38:44,841 Speaker 4: You know, like being able to you know, deliver artistic 755 00:38:44,921 --> 00:38:47,801 Speaker 4: murals and insulations and public speaking is that you know, 756 00:38:47,881 --> 00:38:49,521 Speaker 4: everything I speak is my own opinion. 757 00:38:49,841 --> 00:38:51,721 Speaker 1: It's my opinion, right why should it not be? 758 00:38:52,001 --> 00:38:55,041 Speaker 4: And and I'm not I don't have to adhere to 759 00:38:56,001 --> 00:39:00,081 Speaker 4: you know, an employee, because I employ myself. But the 760 00:39:00,081 --> 00:39:02,281 Speaker 4: one thing that I won't stay silent on is that 761 00:39:02,361 --> 00:39:05,841 Speaker 4: if there is a way to fix a problem, So 762 00:39:06,121 --> 00:39:10,801 Speaker 4: if there is a solution keyword, because there. 763 00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:11,841 Speaker 1: Has to be solutions. 764 00:39:11,841 --> 00:39:15,121 Speaker 4: And right now, I look at the social media outlets 765 00:39:15,321 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 4: here that surround the townsvill local you know, community, there's 766 00:39:19,001 --> 00:39:23,481 Speaker 4: frustration and rightly so right like people people deserve to 767 00:39:23,521 --> 00:39:25,081 Speaker 4: be you know, because cars have been stolen. 768 00:39:25,121 --> 00:39:25,881 Speaker 1: They're just written off. 769 00:39:25,961 --> 00:39:27,881 Speaker 4: Like these kids are not doing what we were doing, 770 00:39:27,881 --> 00:39:28,801 Speaker 4: which was stealing a car. 771 00:39:28,961 --> 00:39:31,321 Speaker 3: This is not like Sydney Sydney in Melbourne where you're 772 00:39:31,321 --> 00:39:33,481 Speaker 3: getting a hottie and ram raiding, or you're getting an ATM, 773 00:39:33,601 --> 00:39:35,161 Speaker 3: or you're using the car to pull up and go 774 00:39:35,241 --> 00:39:37,361 Speaker 3: and running on a bank and jump a bank counter, 775 00:39:37,561 --> 00:39:40,481 Speaker 3: or you know you're ram raiding tobacconists or country road 776 00:39:40,521 --> 00:39:43,361 Speaker 3: again or whatever the fuck have we did. This is 777 00:39:43,401 --> 00:39:45,881 Speaker 3: not the crime that we're talking about where it's just 778 00:39:46,681 --> 00:39:50,081 Speaker 3: the crime is it's petty. It is petty chrome Like, 779 00:39:50,081 --> 00:39:52,001 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, there is times there where there 780 00:39:52,041 --> 00:39:55,361 Speaker 3: has been some very serious crime, and let's not be fooled, 781 00:39:55,721 --> 00:39:58,881 Speaker 3: but this happens everywhere the way that it's been portrayed 782 00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:01,561 Speaker 3: up here, and who they're blaming and saying that is 783 00:40:01,601 --> 00:40:04,881 Speaker 3: the issue and the problem. It's not the true facts 784 00:40:05,241 --> 00:40:08,921 Speaker 3: of what's actually taking place up here. It's, as far 785 00:40:08,961 --> 00:40:12,081 Speaker 3: as I'm concerned, it's a political agenda. And they just 786 00:40:12,161 --> 00:40:14,721 Speaker 3: made it look like it's an absolute shit fight up here. 787 00:40:15,161 --> 00:40:17,721 Speaker 3: Send in a fucking hit squad, put it all over 788 00:40:17,761 --> 00:40:19,281 Speaker 3: the news, make it all look pretty. 789 00:40:19,281 --> 00:40:21,361 Speaker 1: We've cleaned it all up. Blah blah blah blah. 790 00:40:21,401 --> 00:40:24,241 Speaker 3: Lock this boke up, that kid, This kid kicked in 791 00:40:24,281 --> 00:40:27,881 Speaker 3: this door, ran through this family's house, Like, fuck life. 792 00:40:28,881 --> 00:40:32,121 Speaker 4: Yep, what have you done? Locked up four or five people? Yeah, 793 00:40:32,121 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 4: I mean you haven't fixed a solution of you know. 794 00:40:35,281 --> 00:40:35,481 Speaker 3: Have you? 795 00:40:35,761 --> 00:40:36,921 Speaker 1: What have you done about the problem? 796 00:40:37,041 --> 00:40:39,921 Speaker 4: Yeah, you haven't given a solution, right, Like, so incarceration, 797 00:40:40,121 --> 00:40:41,641 Speaker 4: well that's a wonderful solution. 798 00:40:42,921 --> 00:40:46,201 Speaker 1: And to lock them up the way that they're locked when. 799 00:40:46,121 --> 00:40:48,121 Speaker 3: They're going to rebel even worse when they do get 800 00:40:48,121 --> 00:40:50,361 Speaker 3: out because of the fucking amosity that they're going to have, 801 00:40:50,961 --> 00:40:54,241 Speaker 3: because of the way that they've been treated. They fucked up. Yes, 802 00:40:54,281 --> 00:40:56,721 Speaker 3: there should be consequences here. 803 00:40:56,801 --> 00:40:57,361 Speaker 1: It is right. 804 00:40:57,681 --> 00:41:01,281 Speaker 4: The receivitism rate in this country is fucking putrid. You know, 805 00:41:01,721 --> 00:41:04,601 Speaker 4: the chances that if you've been incarcerated as a juvenile, 806 00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 4: I think it's about forty percent fifty percent that you'll 807 00:41:08,921 --> 00:41:10,681 Speaker 4: end up in an adult for a prison. 808 00:41:11,041 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: I thought it would be a little bit higher, you know, as. 809 00:41:12,921 --> 00:41:15,521 Speaker 4: An as an as a First Nations person, if you've 810 00:41:15,561 --> 00:41:18,001 Speaker 4: been incarcerated, I think it goes up to seventy eight 811 00:41:18,041 --> 00:41:20,881 Speaker 4: percent or something, you know, around eighty percent, you know, 812 00:41:20,921 --> 00:41:24,721 Speaker 4: but the recivitism rate is seventy percent. Once you've been incarcerated, 813 00:41:24,721 --> 00:41:26,561 Speaker 4: the chance that you're going to be going back is 814 00:41:26,601 --> 00:41:29,521 Speaker 4: around eighty percent. There's only twenty percent chance that you're 815 00:41:29,561 --> 00:41:31,841 Speaker 4: actually going to survive once you get out. If we 816 00:41:31,881 --> 00:41:35,121 Speaker 4: look across at the difference in Scandinavia, where they invest 817 00:41:35,201 --> 00:41:37,201 Speaker 4: into human life, right they have it. They have a 818 00:41:37,281 --> 00:41:40,241 Speaker 4: three I think between a three and seven percent recivitism 819 00:41:40,521 --> 00:41:43,441 Speaker 4: phenomenal because if you get incarcerated there, they build the 820 00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:45,641 Speaker 4: capacity of the individual if you are a. 821 00:41:45,681 --> 00:41:47,681 Speaker 1: Literate, they help you learn to read and write. 822 00:41:47,721 --> 00:41:49,641 Speaker 3: They give you the load of the life skills that 823 00:41:49,681 --> 00:41:53,321 Speaker 3: you require to be a law abiding citizen. Enough absolutely 824 00:41:53,321 --> 00:41:56,681 Speaker 3: feel like you're an underprivileged, fucking scum that's struggling to 825 00:41:56,761 --> 00:41:59,761 Speaker 3: keep clothes on their back and food in their belly. Like, 826 00:42:00,441 --> 00:42:03,241 Speaker 3: you know, like, let's not let's not be blinded by 827 00:42:03,241 --> 00:42:06,241 Speaker 3: the reality. This organization that we've had the privilege of 828 00:42:06,281 --> 00:42:10,241 Speaker 3: being up here and working with is just phenomenal. They 829 00:42:10,401 --> 00:42:14,721 Speaker 3: have a kitchen, they serve these beautiful young kids. They 830 00:42:15,081 --> 00:42:18,761 Speaker 3: may and we're talking about completely broken young. 831 00:42:18,641 --> 00:42:22,481 Speaker 1: Souls that may. It brought tears to both O. 832 00:42:22,961 --> 00:42:27,121 Speaker 3: We're both dads, we're both very passionate dads, and we're 833 00:42:27,161 --> 00:42:31,161 Speaker 3: both being those children that we have worked with. Now, 834 00:42:31,921 --> 00:42:36,121 Speaker 3: the smiles and the joy of them being in that compassionate, 835 00:42:36,361 --> 00:42:41,481 Speaker 3: safe place, and let's emphasize that word safe, it's just 836 00:42:41,601 --> 00:42:42,201 Speaker 3: next level. 837 00:42:42,681 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: You could see the. 838 00:42:43,401 --> 00:42:47,201 Speaker 3: Shoulders drop, the frowns start to come towards the end 839 00:42:47,241 --> 00:42:49,481 Speaker 3: of the day because they knew that they had to 840 00:42:49,521 --> 00:42:55,441 Speaker 3: go back to face what is just so traumatic for them, 841 00:42:56,121 --> 00:42:59,481 Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, Okay, they can have their clothes washed 842 00:42:59,521 --> 00:43:02,841 Speaker 3: if they need clothes they provide them with clothes, especially 843 00:43:02,841 --> 00:43:03,561 Speaker 3: for the young women. 844 00:43:03,561 --> 00:43:05,881 Speaker 1: They're able to assist them in the set cities. 845 00:43:06,241 --> 00:43:08,601 Speaker 3: Which is I think a fantastic thing. The young men 846 00:43:08,681 --> 00:43:11,761 Speaker 3: can you know, speak up and get help. Their bellies 847 00:43:11,761 --> 00:43:15,121 Speaker 3: are full. But is that enough? Like you've said before, 848 00:43:15,121 --> 00:43:17,601 Speaker 3: and the whole time we've been up here, the services 849 00:43:17,641 --> 00:43:22,321 Speaker 3: that are required during the day are here. There is 850 00:43:22,361 --> 00:43:24,921 Speaker 3: services here, and they're doing a bloody good job. 851 00:43:25,521 --> 00:43:29,041 Speaker 4: But there is enough services that from five that's where 852 00:43:29,081 --> 00:43:30,881 Speaker 4: I am, there is nothing. 853 00:43:31,041 --> 00:43:32,961 Speaker 1: So you know, the door is shutting. These kids have 854 00:43:33,001 --> 00:43:34,201 Speaker 1: got fucking nothing, that's right. 855 00:43:34,281 --> 00:43:37,321 Speaker 3: The sun's setting and all they're thinking about is fuck, 856 00:43:38,241 --> 00:43:40,081 Speaker 3: I've got to go home to this ship, or where's 857 00:43:40,121 --> 00:43:43,041 Speaker 3: mum and dad or where's you know. And as we've 858 00:43:43,081 --> 00:43:47,321 Speaker 3: talked about, especially in community, the wonderful grandmother's out there 859 00:43:47,681 --> 00:43:51,721 Speaker 3: that are raising their children's children, you know, and they've 860 00:43:51,721 --> 00:43:55,081 Speaker 3: got like as we know we know factually from being 861 00:43:55,161 --> 00:43:57,681 Speaker 3: here and also you as a man who's lived in 862 00:43:58,041 --> 00:44:03,361 Speaker 3: around community, they've got four, six, eight, ten, ten children 863 00:44:03,361 --> 00:44:05,641 Speaker 3: and they're raising from all their own children. 864 00:44:06,761 --> 00:44:10,721 Speaker 4: Our grandparents are trauma. They're trauma fatigued, bro trauma fatigued 865 00:44:10,801 --> 00:44:13,961 Speaker 4: because it's been trauma. It's been a traumatic life that 866 00:44:14,001 --> 00:44:16,481 Speaker 4: they've had to live to get to becoming an elder. 867 00:44:16,721 --> 00:44:21,041 Speaker 4: And that's in traumatic, you know, seeing what's happened to 868 00:44:21,081 --> 00:44:25,601 Speaker 4: their children with alcoholism or drug addiction or incarceration. And 869 00:44:25,601 --> 00:44:28,401 Speaker 4: then it's even more traumatic that now their children are 870 00:44:28,401 --> 00:44:30,601 Speaker 4: not even living that they have to raise their children, 871 00:44:31,201 --> 00:44:33,721 Speaker 4: and so they're not getting the joy of being a 872 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:37,081 Speaker 4: grandparent where you love and you care, because they're having 873 00:44:37,121 --> 00:44:42,801 Speaker 4: to raise their grandchildren because of this ingrained dysfunction and 874 00:44:42,881 --> 00:44:48,121 Speaker 4: this generational trauma which is driven by generational poverty, you know, 875 00:44:48,241 --> 00:44:50,961 Speaker 4: and this is the heartbreaking thing that I've seen the 876 00:44:51,081 --> 00:44:56,201 Speaker 4: tears fall from grandmother's eyes because they just don't have 877 00:44:56,321 --> 00:44:56,881 Speaker 4: the energy. 878 00:44:57,201 --> 00:44:58,801 Speaker 1: Strong, strongest people. 879 00:44:58,841 --> 00:45:03,081 Speaker 3: Honestly, I just to everybody out there that's raising your 880 00:45:03,121 --> 00:45:07,721 Speaker 3: grandchildren and your great grandchildren, we love you, be proud 881 00:45:07,801 --> 00:45:11,081 Speaker 3: and if you hear this, you are the super women 882 00:45:11,121 --> 00:45:15,361 Speaker 3: of this world, because you know they are. It's like 883 00:45:15,441 --> 00:45:19,081 Speaker 3: I understand, there's pops and ends and credit to everybody 884 00:45:19,081 --> 00:45:22,721 Speaker 3: out there. I mean, my own father and my mother 885 00:45:22,761 --> 00:45:25,561 Speaker 3: are raising two beautiful young girls at seventy something years 886 00:45:25,601 --> 00:45:27,881 Speaker 3: of age that they're taking care of that we're in 887 00:45:27,921 --> 00:45:31,201 Speaker 3: foster care and in some terrible, horrific positions. 888 00:45:31,241 --> 00:45:33,081 Speaker 1: Now I get that personally. 889 00:45:33,161 --> 00:45:35,441 Speaker 3: I see what it does to my dad, you know, 890 00:45:35,881 --> 00:45:38,201 Speaker 3: and he won't give up on these young young girls 891 00:45:38,241 --> 00:45:44,241 Speaker 3: because they deserve better. We talk about, you know, just community. 892 00:45:44,361 --> 00:45:49,761 Speaker 3: Grandma's like, bruh, there they are. They are the glue. 893 00:45:50,681 --> 00:45:54,521 Speaker 4: They are the glue. But unfortunately they're fading, right they are, and. 894 00:45:54,481 --> 00:45:57,801 Speaker 3: Their respect for them is going out the window, like 895 00:45:58,281 --> 00:46:02,521 Speaker 3: the young people because of let's touch on the fact too, 896 00:46:02,761 --> 00:46:05,161 Speaker 3: that yes, there is a nice problem up here and 897 00:46:05,201 --> 00:46:07,801 Speaker 3: we're talking, you know, eleven twelve year old kids roaming 898 00:46:08,241 --> 00:46:11,561 Speaker 3: on ice, and it's very prominent up here that. 899 00:46:11,601 --> 00:46:14,081 Speaker 1: It's like it's getting worse. 900 00:46:15,921 --> 00:46:18,561 Speaker 3: That that side of it is very real and very sad, 901 00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:23,081 Speaker 3: which then affects the home life. Disrespect, you know, honesty. 902 00:46:23,601 --> 00:46:26,521 Speaker 3: They're not being who they need to be to their 903 00:46:26,561 --> 00:46:31,321 Speaker 3: grandmother or they're raising mother, whoever's there to do the 904 00:46:31,361 --> 00:46:32,401 Speaker 3: best they can for them. 905 00:46:33,961 --> 00:46:38,401 Speaker 4: I spoke to a young family, a young couple, not family, 906 00:46:38,441 --> 00:46:41,801 Speaker 4: but a couple of young kids. You're young people yesterday 907 00:46:42,561 --> 00:46:44,561 Speaker 4: in the classroom during the break we'll have a lunch. 908 00:46:45,081 --> 00:46:46,961 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, how bad are the drugs 909 00:46:46,961 --> 00:46:49,321 Speaker 4: in everyone, Like there's drugs everywhere? 910 00:46:49,401 --> 00:46:52,241 Speaker 1: Is that? How hard is it to get yarndie or marijuana? 911 00:46:52,441 --> 00:46:56,801 Speaker 1: You know, gunja it's so easy? Yeah, how hard is 912 00:46:56,801 --> 00:47:01,041 Speaker 1: it to get ice? So easy? You know? 913 00:47:01,121 --> 00:47:05,441 Speaker 4: And that's you know, the devastation of fucking methamphetamines gurge 914 00:47:05,441 --> 00:47:09,441 Speaker 4: in our society, you know, like i'ves we grew up 915 00:47:09,441 --> 00:47:11,801 Speaker 4: in in Redfern or in the city of Sydney in 916 00:47:11,841 --> 00:47:14,801 Speaker 4: the nineties. You know where this you know where the 917 00:47:14,841 --> 00:47:16,321 Speaker 4: heroine epidemic is u. 918 00:47:16,321 --> 00:47:18,081 Speaker 3: Wirst you'd see them as in the gutter on the 919 00:47:18,161 --> 00:47:20,681 Speaker 3: not or Parol Spiel and somewhere down a lane way. 920 00:47:20,761 --> 00:47:25,201 Speaker 4: But the atrocity of the crimes being committed by people 921 00:47:25,601 --> 00:47:28,921 Speaker 4: that are sleep deprived, you know, gassed up on. 922 00:47:28,961 --> 00:47:31,761 Speaker 1: Gear, schizophrenic, psychotic. 923 00:47:31,601 --> 00:47:36,521 Speaker 4: It's it's it is frightening and that as a society, 924 00:47:36,561 --> 00:47:39,561 Speaker 4: if we don't call it out because it has to 925 00:47:39,601 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 4: get here somewhere, I guarantee you there is not it's 926 00:47:43,001 --> 00:47:44,481 Speaker 4: not been cooked here in Townsville. 927 00:47:44,481 --> 00:47:45,801 Speaker 1: It's been brought up here, you know. 928 00:47:45,881 --> 00:47:47,641 Speaker 4: And the thing is that the only way to get 929 00:47:47,641 --> 00:47:49,121 Speaker 4: it out is to stop bringing up And I know 930 00:47:49,161 --> 00:47:51,481 Speaker 4: it's easier said than done, because drugs. There are a 931 00:47:51,481 --> 00:47:54,001 Speaker 4: scourge on society everywhere, and you know on the bottom 932 00:47:54,001 --> 00:47:56,241 Speaker 4: feed is feet on it, you know, but you know 933 00:47:56,321 --> 00:47:58,801 Speaker 4: the thing is the bottom feet is feet feed on 934 00:47:58,921 --> 00:47:59,681 Speaker 4: selling it to the. 935 00:47:59,601 --> 00:48:01,201 Speaker 1: People that are dying as a result of it. 936 00:48:01,281 --> 00:48:05,401 Speaker 4: You know, like it's it's just it's fucking frightening that 937 00:48:05,961 --> 00:48:09,161 Speaker 4: we are going to lose a generation of people as 938 00:48:09,161 --> 00:48:14,041 Speaker 4: a result of drug addiction, and that this is not 939 00:48:14,161 --> 00:48:16,361 Speaker 4: just something that you play around with, you know, like 940 00:48:17,041 --> 00:48:22,241 Speaker 4: it's poison that is actually taking lives because they're the crimes, right, 941 00:48:22,401 --> 00:48:24,721 Speaker 4: the crimes that have been committed by the people that 942 00:48:24,761 --> 00:48:27,201 Speaker 4: are fucking high on methamphetoma. 943 00:48:29,041 --> 00:48:32,961 Speaker 3: Their whole thought patterns are just fucking not even They're 944 00:48:33,121 --> 00:48:36,761 Speaker 3: like they're numb in the brain. Their reactions are just go, 945 00:48:38,041 --> 00:48:41,081 Speaker 3: you know, hyper sensitive, fucking boom, it's on. You know, 946 00:48:41,121 --> 00:48:43,361 Speaker 3: they see a flashing light where on we're getting a chase, 947 00:48:43,441 --> 00:48:46,361 Speaker 3: next minute, boom, Okay, it's all over the news. Two three, four, 948 00:48:46,401 --> 00:48:49,801 Speaker 3: young teens in a stolen car, crash into a house 949 00:48:49,921 --> 00:48:51,441 Speaker 3: or hit a pole and one dies. 950 00:48:51,561 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: Like things like this. 951 00:48:53,721 --> 00:48:58,081 Speaker 3: It's becoming, yes, a lot more common, and it's unacceptable. 952 00:48:58,201 --> 00:49:02,801 Speaker 3: The crimes that are being committed through these induced I 953 00:49:02,801 --> 00:49:07,241 Speaker 3: guess psychosis, which that's what it is, isn't it broad 954 00:49:07,281 --> 00:49:12,761 Speaker 3: on from drug addiction. But the whole thing is is, yes, 955 00:49:12,801 --> 00:49:17,041 Speaker 3: it is a national problem, but you know, the age 956 00:49:17,121 --> 00:49:22,241 Speaker 3: that it's being fed to and the generation that's coming 957 00:49:22,321 --> 00:49:25,361 Speaker 3: from it. 958 00:49:24,041 --> 00:49:28,321 Speaker 1: Is just sad. Bro. Yeah, I don't have an answer 959 00:49:28,361 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: for it, you know, because. 960 00:49:29,161 --> 00:49:31,961 Speaker 3: Well we don't, and we're not here to give answers 961 00:49:32,001 --> 00:49:33,881 Speaker 3: because we can't. What we're here to do is find 962 00:49:33,921 --> 00:49:37,601 Speaker 3: solutions and ways of I guess finding a better way 963 00:49:37,881 --> 00:49:39,801 Speaker 3: and finding a vision. 964 00:49:39,881 --> 00:49:41,521 Speaker 1: That is one of the positive. 965 00:49:41,681 --> 00:49:43,641 Speaker 4: Here's the thing is that we've been so open and 966 00:49:43,681 --> 00:49:47,361 Speaker 4: honest ever since we got here. Oh that we can't 967 00:49:47,441 --> 00:49:50,321 Speaker 4: fix the societal issues in three days. And I don't 968 00:49:50,321 --> 00:49:52,681 Speaker 4: think anyone was under the illusion that we are you know, 969 00:49:52,761 --> 00:49:54,681 Speaker 4: the you know, the be all and end all to 970 00:49:54,961 --> 00:49:56,961 Speaker 4: you know, all the solutions back, you know, and we 971 00:49:57,041 --> 00:49:58,441 Speaker 4: came up here and said, just let us have a 972 00:49:58,481 --> 00:49:58,801 Speaker 4: look at it. 973 00:49:58,841 --> 00:50:01,481 Speaker 1: We'll give you our opinion. Well here's our opinion. Is 974 00:50:01,481 --> 00:50:02,121 Speaker 1: it right now? 975 00:50:02,121 --> 00:50:04,921 Speaker 4: That there's a lot of fucking conversations happening, but no 976 00:50:05,081 --> 00:50:07,321 Speaker 4: one's actually addressing the problem. I can tell you a 977 00:50:07,361 --> 00:50:09,681 Speaker 4: couple of ways that these kids would thrive and you 978 00:50:09,681 --> 00:50:13,241 Speaker 4: would see a reduction in the crime one. Anybody that 979 00:50:13,361 --> 00:50:19,041 Speaker 4: has jobs that could employ young teenagers. Go to Street University, 980 00:50:19,081 --> 00:50:21,041 Speaker 4: walk into that door and say that I want to 981 00:50:21,041 --> 00:50:23,481 Speaker 4: give some kids. A couple of kids an opportunity in 982 00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:25,561 Speaker 4: a panelty to shop, give a couple of kids a 983 00:50:25,641 --> 00:50:28,961 Speaker 4: job in a mechanics place. The kids that's stealing cars, 984 00:50:28,961 --> 00:50:31,881 Speaker 4: they want to learn about cars, We'll give them the opportunity. 985 00:50:32,161 --> 00:50:34,321 Speaker 4: The other thing is if they are if they are 986 00:50:34,361 --> 00:50:37,401 Speaker 4: damaging the walls or doing the graffiti, employ them, get them, 987 00:50:37,681 --> 00:50:41,121 Speaker 4: you give them, give them a job. Not only that, 988 00:50:41,201 --> 00:50:43,481 Speaker 4: but just like you know that there's lines that have 989 00:50:43,561 --> 00:50:45,721 Speaker 4: been drawn painted on the roads, you know, get the 990 00:50:45,801 --> 00:50:48,721 Speaker 4: kids into into line writing in all of these different things. 991 00:50:49,081 --> 00:50:53,201 Speaker 4: You know that the kids need purpose, the kids need employment, 992 00:50:53,441 --> 00:50:55,041 Speaker 4: the kids need money. 993 00:50:55,841 --> 00:50:57,761 Speaker 3: You know, here, up here, I'm seeing a too hard 994 00:50:57,801 --> 00:50:59,481 Speaker 3: basket and it's fucking overflowing. 995 00:50:59,601 --> 00:51:02,121 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but that's that's the easiest option, right 996 00:51:02,121 --> 00:51:04,281 Speaker 4: because then we can say too hard, too hard, too hard. 997 00:51:04,521 --> 00:51:07,321 Speaker 4: The government problem, the governments problem. The government, Well, guess what. 998 00:51:07,761 --> 00:51:10,321 Speaker 4: Government has never fixed poverty anywhere in the world. The 999 00:51:10,361 --> 00:51:13,241 Speaker 4: only thing that will fix poverty is people because people go, 1000 00:51:13,401 --> 00:51:15,881 Speaker 4: I've had enough, but we can do something about it. 1001 00:51:15,961 --> 00:51:18,161 Speaker 4: But the other part of it is is right now, 1002 00:51:18,361 --> 00:51:20,881 Speaker 4: you know, with everything that we're giving up for in Brisbane, 1003 00:51:20,921 --> 00:51:23,401 Speaker 4: you know, with the Olympic Games and whatnot, you know, 1004 00:51:23,441 --> 00:51:26,321 Speaker 4: there's about to be a huge influx of people. What 1005 00:51:26,361 --> 00:51:29,081 Speaker 4: they did down Sydney, they'll clean out like Redfern, Glee 1006 00:51:29,121 --> 00:51:33,401 Speaker 4: Waterloo place, sent them all the kemps and tweed and everywhere. 1007 00:51:33,521 --> 00:51:35,201 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. What happened. 1008 00:51:35,321 --> 00:51:37,801 Speaker 4: They put big fences up so people couldn't look down 1009 00:51:37,801 --> 00:51:40,001 Speaker 4: Everly Street. They send everyone on the North coast, Yeah, 1010 00:51:40,241 --> 00:51:42,081 Speaker 4: but you know or out west. And then they said, 1011 00:51:42,081 --> 00:51:45,241 Speaker 4: oh we we fixed the crime problems of Redfern. 1012 00:51:45,561 --> 00:51:47,081 Speaker 1: No you didn't. You picked it up and put it 1013 00:51:47,121 --> 00:51:48,001 Speaker 1: out in Western Sydney. 1014 00:51:48,241 --> 00:51:49,841 Speaker 4: You picked it out and put it and you know, 1015 00:51:49,921 --> 00:51:53,321 Speaker 4: so like the reality is is that right now with 1016 00:51:53,521 --> 00:51:55,681 Speaker 4: you know, like I think the Singapore you know, Singapore 1017 00:51:55,721 --> 00:51:58,401 Speaker 4: Military I heard is about to send two thousand people 1018 00:51:58,401 --> 00:52:01,001 Speaker 4: out to Townsville. You know, you've got an increase or 1019 00:52:01,121 --> 00:52:04,001 Speaker 4: influx of people doing training and everything out here. You 1020 00:52:04,041 --> 00:52:06,281 Speaker 4: know that there's a lot of economy being spent in 1021 00:52:06,361 --> 00:52:09,761 Speaker 4: bringing people here well as a return of investment, while 1022 00:52:09,801 --> 00:52:12,601 Speaker 4: don't you invested into fixing some of the social problems 1023 00:52:12,601 --> 00:52:15,001 Speaker 4: in your local area where you're bringing all these people 1024 00:52:15,041 --> 00:52:20,481 Speaker 4: into Yes, it's a little bit of logic behind it, 1025 00:52:20,521 --> 00:52:24,041 Speaker 4: Isn't it Like the realization of what needs to happen 1026 00:52:24,081 --> 00:52:24,601 Speaker 4: to what is. 1027 00:52:24,521 --> 00:52:26,241 Speaker 1: Happening is so far fetched. 1028 00:52:26,561 --> 00:52:29,201 Speaker 4: But you know, the reality is is that somebody with 1029 00:52:29,281 --> 00:52:36,401 Speaker 4: some fucking brains and somekhunas and some finances needs to 1030 00:52:36,481 --> 00:52:39,761 Speaker 4: back themselves and say I have a solution, you know, 1031 00:52:39,881 --> 00:52:41,481 Speaker 4: and here it is. I'm going to invest I'm not 1032 00:52:41,481 --> 00:52:43,081 Speaker 4: going to wait for the government to fund me. I'm 1033 00:52:43,081 --> 00:52:45,521 Speaker 4: not going to wait for anybody else but create a 1034 00:52:45,601 --> 00:52:48,801 Speaker 4: cohort of change. You know, collective minds will create a 1035 00:52:48,801 --> 00:52:51,921 Speaker 4: collective movement. You know, if the shopping centers are getting 1036 00:52:52,081 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 4: you know, bashed that you know, you know, if there's 1037 00:52:54,041 --> 00:52:56,801 Speaker 4: violence around it, who's look, who's got the security contracts. 1038 00:52:56,841 --> 00:52:59,121 Speaker 4: Let's give some kids some jobs. Let's get them accredited 1039 00:52:59,121 --> 00:53:02,041 Speaker 4: as security officers, let them, you know, start looking after 1040 00:53:02,081 --> 00:53:05,641 Speaker 4: the place. I remember when there was a new building 1041 00:53:05,721 --> 00:53:07,681 Speaker 4: like it was built, you know, right up in cans 1042 00:53:07,681 --> 00:53:09,161 Speaker 4: and they were having some problems with some of the 1043 00:53:09,201 --> 00:53:11,241 Speaker 4: homeless mob up there, or you know, with some of 1044 00:53:11,281 --> 00:53:12,001 Speaker 4: the crime. 1045 00:53:11,761 --> 00:53:12,721 Speaker 1: And things like that. 1046 00:53:12,961 --> 00:53:15,081 Speaker 4: And I said to them, why don't you give some 1047 00:53:15,121 --> 00:53:18,801 Speaker 4: people some jobs like common sense? And all of a sudden, 1048 00:53:18,841 --> 00:53:21,521 Speaker 4: the crime stopped happening in the car park because as 1049 00:53:21,721 --> 00:53:25,081 Speaker 4: First Nations people, we take a pride of place, you know, 1050 00:53:25,321 --> 00:53:27,601 Speaker 4: and we say to the nephews and the nieces and 1051 00:53:27,641 --> 00:53:30,241 Speaker 4: the cousins and the aunties and the uncles, don't go 1052 00:53:30,361 --> 00:53:33,081 Speaker 4: mucking up here. This is where I work, you know, 1053 00:53:33,161 --> 00:53:35,721 Speaker 4: and people respect that, you know, like this where I live, 1054 00:53:35,801 --> 00:53:37,921 Speaker 4: this where I work in the backyard. 1055 00:53:37,961 --> 00:53:38,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, and all of it. 1056 00:53:38,681 --> 00:53:41,961 Speaker 4: But right now, nobody's given these kids a chance, you know, 1057 00:53:42,041 --> 00:53:44,041 Speaker 4: and the moment they've got ten you know, sort of 1058 00:53:44,521 --> 00:53:47,841 Speaker 4: historic records of you know, criminality on their record, all 1059 00:53:47,881 --> 00:53:49,561 Speaker 4: of a sudden you're telling these kids and oh, you 1060 00:53:49,601 --> 00:53:51,601 Speaker 4: can't have a job here now because you're a criminal. 1061 00:53:52,001 --> 00:53:52,641 Speaker 1: No no, no, no. 1062 00:53:53,681 --> 00:53:55,681 Speaker 3: I'd like to actually look at to the fact of 1063 00:53:56,161 --> 00:54:00,721 Speaker 3: we are around lots of mining. There's plenty of money 1064 00:54:00,721 --> 00:54:02,801 Speaker 3: out there, plenty of good jobs. Why are they not 1065 00:54:03,001 --> 00:54:06,761 Speaker 3: doing skills and up skilling these young people whom are 1066 00:54:06,881 --> 00:54:10,121 Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen coming into nineteen, which is people that we've 1067 00:54:10,121 --> 00:54:14,001 Speaker 3: been around, even into the twenties that we've met, Why 1068 00:54:14,041 --> 00:54:18,241 Speaker 3: are they not these services providing tickets and allowing them 1069 00:54:18,321 --> 00:54:22,641 Speaker 3: to be upskilled to go into these pathways of the minds, 1070 00:54:22,721 --> 00:54:27,241 Speaker 3: earn good money, you know, have that discipline of structure 1071 00:54:27,561 --> 00:54:31,001 Speaker 3: getting up every day, like there is so much work 1072 00:54:31,641 --> 00:54:34,481 Speaker 3: and it's not far from here, Like there might not 1073 00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:37,321 Speaker 3: be much in town, but on the outskirts of town 1074 00:54:38,161 --> 00:54:41,121 Speaker 3: there is opportunity. 1075 00:54:41,201 --> 00:54:42,161 Speaker 1: But they get shut down. 1076 00:54:42,561 --> 00:54:46,961 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, because opportunity is not even something 1077 00:54:47,001 --> 00:54:49,401 Speaker 4: that is in the vision of the kids, you know, 1078 00:54:49,441 --> 00:54:51,401 Speaker 4: So like having an aspiration to go off to the 1079 00:54:51,481 --> 00:54:54,721 Speaker 4: mines is not even a conversation they're afforded at home. 1080 00:54:54,681 --> 00:54:56,401 Speaker 1: Fucking started because it should be. 1081 00:54:56,521 --> 00:54:59,361 Speaker 3: And you know what, actually, let me just put this 1082 00:54:59,401 --> 00:55:02,601 Speaker 3: in perspective, so I won't say her name. There was 1083 00:55:03,121 --> 00:55:06,801 Speaker 3: a young woman whom we we're both introduced to yesterday, 1084 00:55:07,361 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 3: whom has been in and out of the girl's home. 1085 00:55:13,681 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: She come up and spoke to us, a. 1086 00:55:16,321 --> 00:55:20,321 Speaker 3: Bit of a dominant, strong young woman, youngish but very 1087 00:55:20,841 --> 00:55:25,441 Speaker 3: you know, strong in her presence. She was telling me 1088 00:55:25,721 --> 00:55:28,241 Speaker 3: herself her dad works in the minds, and her dad 1089 00:55:28,241 --> 00:55:31,801 Speaker 3: worries about her, you know, but she's she takes herself 1090 00:55:31,801 --> 00:55:34,081 Speaker 3: to the police station. She does this, she does that, 1091 00:55:34,201 --> 00:55:37,201 Speaker 3: and she does it all on her own. Her dad 1092 00:55:37,281 --> 00:55:40,761 Speaker 3: worries because he's away working for the family. Now he's 1093 00:55:40,841 --> 00:55:44,481 Speaker 3: my point, her dad's away working in the minds. 1094 00:55:45,841 --> 00:55:47,041 Speaker 1: Exactly what I've just said. 1095 00:55:47,161 --> 00:55:51,561 Speaker 3: So why is there not more opportunity given to people 1096 00:55:51,601 --> 00:55:56,161 Speaker 3: in this township first nation people, non first nation people 1097 00:55:56,921 --> 00:55:59,921 Speaker 3: to help them up skill because it is not cheap 1098 00:56:00,201 --> 00:56:02,561 Speaker 3: and it costs thousands of dollars to get your tickets 1099 00:56:02,841 --> 00:56:05,761 Speaker 3: to even hopefully get a foot in the door, But. 1100 00:56:05,841 --> 00:56:09,241 Speaker 1: It is more expensive to incarceraate a kid. Ah, it's ease. 1101 00:56:09,401 --> 00:56:13,521 Speaker 4: It's fucking piece, you know, like honestly, like I think 1102 00:56:13,561 --> 00:56:16,001 Speaker 4: it's it's something like it's something exhabited. 1103 00:56:16,001 --> 00:56:16,881 Speaker 1: I don't even know the figure. 1104 00:56:16,881 --> 00:56:19,001 Speaker 4: I think it's seventy six hundred and six hundred and 1105 00:56:19,081 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 4: seventy thousand dollars per person per young person incarcerated every year. 1106 00:56:26,601 --> 00:56:27,921 Speaker 1: So if you give me ten. 1107 00:56:29,441 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 4: And give me six and a half million bucks, I'll 1108 00:56:31,481 --> 00:56:33,841 Speaker 4: show you what I do with these kids. Yeah, you know, 1109 00:56:33,921 --> 00:56:37,441 Speaker 4: it changed their lives forever. That's I'd expose them to. 1110 00:56:37,841 --> 00:56:45,001 Speaker 4: You know, One love, second, boundaries. Third opportunity. Fourth, here's 1111 00:56:45,161 --> 00:56:48,681 Speaker 4: here is an open care, a blank canvas to dream. 1112 00:56:49,161 --> 00:56:51,801 Speaker 4: Whatever it is that you are brave enough to dream, 1113 00:56:52,361 --> 00:56:56,281 Speaker 4: we can make happen. Yeah, you know, and they're four things. 1114 00:56:56,681 --> 00:57:01,641 Speaker 4: But that's six and a half million bucks. You so 1115 00:57:01,961 --> 00:57:06,881 Speaker 4: right now, Cleveland haspacity of one hundred and four kids, 1116 00:57:08,561 --> 00:57:12,481 Speaker 4: that's what. Mathematically, what's that? That's sixty million bucks. That's 1117 00:57:12,481 --> 00:57:15,041 Speaker 4: a lot of fucking money, you know, that's sixty million bucks. 1118 00:57:15,081 --> 00:57:18,401 Speaker 4: And I guarantee you there is no return of investment 1119 00:57:18,561 --> 00:57:19,801 Speaker 4: in sixty million bucks. 1120 00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:23,721 Speaker 3: You know, imagine the change that you could make with 1121 00:57:23,761 --> 00:57:28,241 Speaker 3: that and those numbers, the reduction in those numbers in 1122 00:57:28,281 --> 00:57:35,081 Speaker 3: that center by having somebody back that and actually physically 1123 00:57:35,241 --> 00:57:38,721 Speaker 3: fucking put funding into something that's constructive. 1124 00:57:38,361 --> 00:57:39,161 Speaker 1: That will work. 1125 00:57:39,681 --> 00:57:43,401 Speaker 3: And the beauty about it is there's people like ourselves 1126 00:57:43,601 --> 00:57:44,961 Speaker 3: who are out here. 1127 00:57:45,481 --> 00:57:47,561 Speaker 1: Who believe in what we do. We know we're not 1128 00:57:47,641 --> 00:57:50,641 Speaker 1: going to change everybody. Look, it's impossible, but. 1129 00:57:50,641 --> 00:57:53,641 Speaker 3: If we can change the life of a few that 1130 00:57:53,721 --> 00:57:57,481 Speaker 3: then changes the life of many, then that, right. 1131 00:57:57,361 --> 00:57:59,201 Speaker 1: There is a success. 1132 00:57:59,481 --> 00:58:01,201 Speaker 3: I always said when I started the clink, if I 1133 00:58:01,201 --> 00:58:05,201 Speaker 3: could save one life, that would be worth doing. You 1134 00:58:05,241 --> 00:58:08,441 Speaker 3: know what, I mean and we're well beyond that. It's 1135 00:58:08,481 --> 00:58:12,441 Speaker 3: something that I feel that we as a society need 1136 00:58:12,481 --> 00:58:17,241 Speaker 3: to start to really accept that there is better ways solutions. 1137 00:58:17,721 --> 00:58:20,241 Speaker 1: We've just got to start as a collaborative work together. 1138 00:58:20,881 --> 00:58:22,961 Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest thing about like and as 1139 00:58:22,961 --> 00:58:25,721 Speaker 4: we continue to explore this journey, because this is just 1140 00:58:25,761 --> 00:58:28,881 Speaker 4: the first of many where we walk in the worlds 1141 00:58:28,881 --> 00:58:31,721 Speaker 4: of the wounded, and this is the first of many, 1142 00:58:31,721 --> 00:58:36,041 Speaker 4: but we we just keep this narrative of you know, 1143 00:58:35,801 --> 00:58:38,721 Speaker 4: we set about our business or you said about your 1144 00:58:38,721 --> 00:58:41,121 Speaker 4: business with the Clink podcast to change one life or 1145 00:58:41,161 --> 00:58:44,561 Speaker 4: to save one life. And we know firsthand from the 1146 00:58:44,561 --> 00:58:47,521 Speaker 4: conversations that have been fed back that you've affected many. 1147 00:58:47,921 --> 00:58:50,361 Speaker 4: Every time I stand on stage or create an artistic 1148 00:58:50,441 --> 00:58:53,841 Speaker 4: you know, sort of portrait of a landscape of an environment, 1149 00:58:54,041 --> 00:58:57,881 Speaker 4: it creates a conversation. And you know, the countless you know, 1150 00:58:57,961 --> 00:59:00,441 Speaker 4: lives that I've been able to affect change in as 1151 00:59:00,441 --> 00:59:03,001 Speaker 4: a result of the work that I do is an 1152 00:59:03,041 --> 00:59:07,401 Speaker 4: incredible privilege. And there's I don't take it for granted. 1153 00:59:07,721 --> 00:59:09,841 Speaker 4: I don't take it for granted the impact that the 1154 00:59:09,881 --> 00:59:13,881 Speaker 4: work has that we do, and I never will I 1155 00:59:14,161 --> 00:59:16,041 Speaker 4: you know, speak of it in my family, you know, 1156 00:59:16,201 --> 00:59:19,801 Speaker 4: just at you know, at I really say to my kids, 1157 00:59:19,921 --> 00:59:22,921 Speaker 4: I hope you realize that the absolute level of privilege 1158 00:59:22,921 --> 00:59:24,601 Speaker 4: that you live in as a result of the work 1159 00:59:24,601 --> 00:59:24,961 Speaker 4: that I do. 1160 00:59:25,121 --> 00:59:28,121 Speaker 3: And it's hard work, because you are a hard working man. 1161 00:59:28,161 --> 00:59:30,641 Speaker 3: And I've seen it with my first my eyes, my head. 1162 00:59:30,681 --> 00:59:33,881 Speaker 4: I like, yeah, And so I think that we, you know, 1163 00:59:34,001 --> 00:59:36,041 Speaker 4: like the kids, you know, my kids need to know 1164 00:59:36,801 --> 00:59:39,481 Speaker 4: like that, you know, the level of privilege that's afforded 1165 00:59:39,481 --> 00:59:42,441 Speaker 4: as a result of the work that I dedicate my 1166 00:59:42,521 --> 00:59:45,841 Speaker 4: life to. And I think this is just you know, 1167 00:59:45,921 --> 00:59:48,001 Speaker 4: simply the beginning, you know, like once upon a. 1168 00:59:47,961 --> 00:59:50,121 Speaker 1: Time when you feel when you recorded the first of. 1169 00:59:50,081 --> 00:59:52,281 Speaker 4: Your Clink podcasts, I don't think you could have ever 1170 00:59:52,361 --> 00:59:55,481 Speaker 4: anticipated the depths and the level that it would grow to. 1171 00:59:55,961 --> 00:59:57,681 Speaker 4: And I think this is it, you know, walking in 1172 00:59:57,681 --> 01:00:01,041 Speaker 4: the worlds of the wounded, you know, is something we're 1173 01:00:01,081 --> 01:00:03,321 Speaker 4: on our first journey. We've done four days into it. 1174 01:00:03,361 --> 01:00:07,561 Speaker 4: I think it is the first of many experiences. I'm 1175 01:00:07,721 --> 01:00:10,041 Speaker 4: you know, you know, tragically we've caught it all on 1176 01:00:10,041 --> 01:00:12,721 Speaker 4: on on our phones this time. Yeah, I think, but 1177 01:00:12,801 --> 01:00:14,481 Speaker 4: this is a series that we need to tell that 1178 01:00:14,521 --> 01:00:16,361 Speaker 4: this is something that people need to visually be able 1179 01:00:16,361 --> 01:00:18,441 Speaker 4: to watch and not just listen to. And I think 1180 01:00:18,481 --> 01:00:21,641 Speaker 4: that's the that's the the evolution of the journey we're 1181 01:00:21,681 --> 01:00:22,281 Speaker 4: on right now. 1182 01:00:22,521 --> 01:00:25,081 Speaker 3: And look, you know, before we wind this up today, 1183 01:00:25,641 --> 01:00:28,801 Speaker 3: I have to totally agree. And you know, from here on 1184 01:00:28,921 --> 01:00:30,921 Speaker 3: out we are on a mission. We are on a 1185 01:00:31,001 --> 01:00:34,401 Speaker 3: journey and to any organization out there that would like 1186 01:00:34,481 --> 01:00:37,601 Speaker 3: to reach out to us, we are open to any 1187 01:00:37,681 --> 01:00:42,641 Speaker 3: gal any dialogue or any conversation whatsoever. You know, Jeremy 1188 01:00:42,641 --> 01:00:45,961 Speaker 3: touched on that first episode of The Clink. I had 1189 01:00:45,961 --> 01:00:48,761 Speaker 3: a dream and you've been really strong about, you know, 1190 01:00:48,881 --> 01:00:52,681 Speaker 3: giving our young people vision of dreaming. I had a dream, 1191 01:00:53,201 --> 01:00:55,321 Speaker 3: I made a pat that I would be the best 1192 01:00:55,521 --> 01:00:57,801 Speaker 3: at what I was doing and The Clink would be 1193 01:00:57,841 --> 01:01:02,241 Speaker 3: the best podcast in Australia. Whether you choose to agree 1194 01:01:02,321 --> 01:01:04,441 Speaker 3: or not, that's your own opinion and I respect that 1195 01:01:04,521 --> 01:01:08,641 Speaker 3: either way. But I know what I bring to the table, 1196 01:01:08,681 --> 01:01:10,801 Speaker 3: what we bring to the table, what every guest that 1197 01:01:10,841 --> 01:01:13,881 Speaker 3: has come on here has brought to the table. And 1198 01:01:14,601 --> 01:01:19,241 Speaker 3: you know, Townsville, we are here to help Australia. 1199 01:01:19,281 --> 01:01:20,241 Speaker 1: We are here to help. 1200 01:01:20,961 --> 01:01:23,521 Speaker 3: We love you, Townsville, and we want to say a 1201 01:01:23,641 --> 01:01:27,481 Speaker 3: massive thank you to all you young mob, keep believing 1202 01:01:27,521 --> 01:01:31,161 Speaker 3: in yourself. Remember the words that we had, the conversations, 1203 01:01:31,241 --> 01:01:34,081 Speaker 3: the lasts, the moments that you shared with us, because 1204 01:01:34,121 --> 01:01:37,721 Speaker 3: we are forever grateful that you entrusted us in those 1205 01:01:37,761 --> 01:01:41,281 Speaker 3: conversations and know that you have our contacts. We are 1206 01:01:41,361 --> 01:01:45,001 Speaker 3: reachable and we will be back to the staff. You're 1207 01:01:45,001 --> 01:01:48,041 Speaker 3: doing an amazing job to the community. Pick your fucking 1208 01:01:48,121 --> 01:01:48,561 Speaker 3: act up. 1209 01:01:49,521 --> 01:01:53,401 Speaker 4: One last thing. One oh seven point one four K 1210 01:01:53,441 --> 01:01:57,721 Speaker 4: one G. Thank you for the ability to use your studios. 1211 01:01:58,001 --> 01:02:00,361 Speaker 4: You've been incredibly grateful in terms of letting us use 1212 01:02:00,361 --> 01:02:01,121 Speaker 4: these facilities. 1213 01:02:01,361 --> 01:02:03,041 Speaker 1: Thank you, Mob, beas Big. 1214 01:02:02,841 --> 01:02:08,601 Speaker 3: Love, Pod Shape, m Sideways Surf always. Thank you for 1215 01:02:08,681 --> 01:02:11,721 Speaker 3: being beside me on this journey. We can't do this 1216 01:02:11,801 --> 01:02:14,161 Speaker 3: without you. And to you the listener, thank you for 1217 01:02:14,241 --> 01:02:16,201 Speaker 3: taking the time to listen to this episode. It is 1218 01:02:16,241 --> 01:02:18,121 Speaker 3: a different one, but there will be more of these 1219 01:02:18,681 --> 01:02:20,041 Speaker 3: in each season. 1220 01:02:20,161 --> 01:02:20,961 Speaker 1: Jeremy and I. 1221 01:02:20,841 --> 01:02:24,641 Speaker 3: Will be definitely working very hard to bring change and 1222 01:02:24,881 --> 01:02:27,681 Speaker 3: I can guarantee you we're not stopping. Thank you everyone 1223 01:02:27,721 --> 01:02:29,961 Speaker 3: out there, Stay safe and always remember being the best. 1224 01:02:30,641 --> 01:02:33,921 Speaker 2: Don't try and make you uncomfortable for the record. You 1225 01:02:33,921 --> 01:02:37,041 Speaker 2: can try and world and stuff for your fort record 1226 01:02:37,201 --> 01:02:40,321 Speaker 2: lab on me going hard the way for the record, 1227 01:02:40,441 --> 01:02:48,561 Speaker 2: ain't trying to Lenk, No, trying to waste for the forged, 1228 01:02:49,521 --> 01:02:53,201 Speaker 2: for the rate, for the regged, for the reg