1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, October twenty nine, twenty twenty five. Lock up 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: your daughter's devices. That's the warning from Australian Federal Police 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Commissioner Chrissy Barrett. She will today make a speech warning 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: parents that young men and boys are hunting, stalking and 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: grooming teenage girls online, forcing them to perform acts of violence. 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: A few questions about the Albanese government's ability to deliver 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: on its promise to fix housing. The flagship ten billion 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: dollar Housing Future Fund will be audited and treasuries design 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: of the scheme will be scrutinized. The fund was supposed 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: to build forty thousand new homes for low income workers, 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: but so far has built only the equivalent of about 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: eight houses. That story's life now at the Australian dot 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: com dot a you Tech success story Wise Tech weathered 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: allegations of sexual drama. Now it's being raided by the cops. 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: What's going on at Australia's most dramatic company. That's today's episode. 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: First it was sex. 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: I didn't hear from him. 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: I heard from his wife who told me in a 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: text message not. 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: To contact her husband ever again. 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Mendez. I'm a journalist with the Australian. 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: Why have you resigned today? 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm not talking. Are you concerned that that more women 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: are going to come out this night? 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Then it was board chaos li chairman and three board 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: members of the software company wise Tech. 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: We'll step down this week due to disagreements over the 29 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: ongoing role of the founder, Richard White. 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Now it's the fuzz us in. 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: Federal police and the Financial Services Regulator have rated the 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: offices of software giant wise Tech in Sydney. Officers executed 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: a search warrant to seize documents. 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Wise Tech is a legit business founded by Richard White, 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: a former guitar technician and lighting engineer who grew a 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: billion dollar business out of his suburban Sydney garage. White's 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: a great example of the attractions of enormous wealth. He's 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: a charmingly scruffy kind of guy with a huge guitar collection, 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: who still lives where he grew up, in the unassuming 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: Sydney suburb of Bexley. But everywhere he turns there are uber, 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: glamorous women and drama. White is married to a woman 42 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: named Zena Nassa. Last year, he settled a messy financial 43 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: battle with another woman, Linda Rogan. A third lady named 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: Jenna Riches has gone public about their romantic entanglements, and 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: he was dragged into an ugly public dispute between politician 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Mark Latham and his ex girlfriend. There were never any 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: allegations of criminality against White, but on Monday the dramas 48 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: turned from romance to shareholdings. Angelicas Snowden is a business 49 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: reporter with The Australian and she swung on to the 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: biggest story in business right now. It's what's going on 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: at Wisetich which was raided on Monday by corporate watchdog 52 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: ASSEK and the Australian Federal Police and what is allegedly 53 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: going on at Wisetich, Claire. 54 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: What we know has happened is Wistech's headquarters was raided 55 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: on Monday along with a number of other addresses. We 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: don't know where they are at this stage. We also 57 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: know that this is part of an alleged insider trading 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: investigation that the Federal Police and the Australian Securities and 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: Investments Commission are investigating. 60 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: Okay, let's have a look at insider trading first, what is. 61 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: That Insider trading is a criminal offense. Perhaps you're a 62 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: member of the public or an executive. You obtain information 63 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: that is not public and you use that information to 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: either buy or sell shares in a company. It's considered unfair, 65 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: which is why ASK the corporate watchdog is casting a 66 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: very very close eye on any allegations of this type. 67 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: It's been identified as one of the regulator's key enforcement 68 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: priorities this year. 69 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Now, Wisetek's a really interesting company. It's a logistics business 70 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: based in Sydney, founded by a former guitar technician and 71 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: rody called Richard White, who's himself a very colorful character. 72 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 1: It's a public company, which means people can own shares 73 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: in it. They've released a statement revealing this raid. Why 74 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: did they do that? 75 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: They are obliged to do that. It's interesting to note, however, 76 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: they disclosed the raids about twenty four hours after they happened. 77 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: I've been told that the announcement to the market could 78 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: have occurred earlier. 79 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: And what's Wistek's saying about the allegations that are at 80 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: the center of the raid. 81 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: Wistech is saying it understands no charges have been laid. 82 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: It has said in its statement that the documents police 83 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: were seeking were regarding alleged trading in wise Tech shares 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: by Richard White and three Wise Tech employees during the 85 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: period of late December to early January this year. 86 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: Okay, now that brings us to the juicy part. Most people, 87 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: if they know anything about wis Tech, know that late 88 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: last year Richard White, the founder who's a big personality 89 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: in Australian tech. He's a real advocate for homegrown tech businesses. 90 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: His campaigned very strongly for women to get jobs in tech. 91 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: Allegations were raised last year publicly that he had met 92 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: some women on LinkedIn and offered them business advice or 93 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: tips or perhaps mentoring in exchange for sex. Where did 94 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: all that end up in terms of what Richard White 95 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: was alleged to. 96 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: Have done, Perhaps I could start with Linda Rogan. In 97 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: the middle of last year, a Sydney based entrepreneur, Linda Rogan, 98 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: sued mister White in the Federal court. She was seeking 99 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: to have a bankruptcy noticed set aside he had tried 100 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 3: to bankrupt her overclaims that she was seeking ninety thousand 101 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: dollars worth of luxury furniture for her house. What emerged 102 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: was Richard White had allegedly bought Linda Rogan a thirteen 103 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: million dollar mansion in Sydney as part of an arrangement 104 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: where they would have sex and he would provide her 105 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: with business advice. Following that court case, a number of 106 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: other women came forward alleging very similar things happened to 107 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: them with mister White, including the business advice in exchange 108 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: for sex. Packed wise TEC's board began an investigation. Two 109 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: law firms, in fact, were asked to investigate these claims, 110 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: and in February this year, parts of our report into 111 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: that investigation were released. It did find mister White had 112 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: misled the board twice over his intimate relationships with some 113 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: women who had overlapped in their time with wis Tech. 114 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: But ultimately mister White stepped back from his job and 115 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: resigned from wis Tech for a period of several months. 116 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he stepped back a CEO, accepted a new title, 117 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: which was founding CEO that came with a million dollar salary. 118 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: But it seemed like the board of Wistech, you know, 119 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: wasn't really coping. Several members of the board resigned. Now 120 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: there are allegations that it was during that period when 121 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: he was ostensibly standing back, that he traded these shares. 122 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: If he did do that, what would be the problem 123 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: with that? 124 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: If he did do that, that was during what's called 125 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: a blackout period. This is a period where key personnel 126 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: of a company are not allowed to engage in any 127 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: selling or buying of shares, and that is in large 128 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: part to prevent alleged insider trading from occurring. 129 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: Coming up where to from here. It's a really interesting 130 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: example of something they call founder risk, isn't it, Particularly 131 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: in startups where the founder is a big character. Often 132 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: they're an entrepreneur, they're a visionary. Sometimes that comes with 133 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: colorful behavior and a dramatic life, but their presence is 134 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: integral to the success of the business. In this case, 135 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: he built it from nothing to a forty bill dollar company, 136 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: and when he stepped back, the share price fell. It 137 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: seems to me like any way he handled this it 138 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: would have been bad for Wisetich because just not having 139 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: him there as the boss, the shareholders didn't like it. 140 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: Yes, Indeed, I think it's fair to say that over 141 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: the last twelve or so months, the company has performed well. 142 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: You know, we've had an AI boom. It's certainly performed 143 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 3: well off the back of that. However, we have observed 144 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: in periods where the court case and those other allegations 145 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: were occurring, there has been dives in the share price 146 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: and indeed, on Tuesday about five billion dollars has been 147 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: shaved off Wisetech's market value as a result of subsequent allegations. 148 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: It might be a good time to buy and if 149 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: you've got any cash lying around, perhaps what do we 150 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: think of the next steps from here? 151 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: It's an interesting question ask doesn't take these actions lightly. 152 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: Insider trading is the most serious offense according to the 153 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: Corporations Act. It tracks a penalty of fifteen years jail 154 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: for individuals who are found guilty of insider trading. Weistek 155 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: only used to get great publicity, but it seems that 156 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: the drama is here to stay now. 157 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: Angelica Snowden is a business reporter with The Australian. This 158 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: is a big story and you can read all our 159 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: reporting and analysis right now at The Australian dot com 160 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: dot au