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Speaker 2: Mate? Oh, thank you, Mark, this is a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you could give us a little sketch on who

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Speaker 1: am I? Yeah, well we know what you do. I

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Speaker 2: No, sure. So my background mainly is a sort of

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Speaker 2: done a podcast about notorious nineteen eighties businessman Christopher Scase.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're going to talk about today because

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Speaker 1: I'm very I knew I didn't know him. I knew

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Speaker 1: everyone talking about him quite a lot, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: I remember going visiting some of his resorts and where

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Speaker 1: second But in terms of satire, what do you mean

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess it's sort of What I

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Speaker 2: was doing was two to three minute sketches and so

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Speaker 1: And in a committing sense.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So you know, obviously there was a rich

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Speaker 1: But I never used to understand they were talking about,

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Speaker 1: like when they used to get on. Sometimes I thought

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Speaker 2: Well, it was so dead pan and played so straight. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly right. And I'm so envious of them because

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Speaker 2: whereas you know, we were doing elaborate you know, sense

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Speaker 1: On Does that mean though, that you're sort of basically

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's absolutely fair.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think it's it exists in

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Speaker 2: I was really kind of, you know, putting across my

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Speaker 1: And I've always thought this to be interesting. And I've

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Speaker 1: heard lots of comedians talk about this, But your ability

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Speaker 1: be less offensive. Why is that? What is that that?

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Speaker 2: It's just a weird contract that we have with the audience.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of a convention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely right. I feel bad for journalists sometimes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's five episodes, you know, cameraing scates from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

440
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Speaker 2: And then and then he came in and really you

441
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 2: know it was under him that Home and Away started.

442
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: He got so he did some stuff.

443
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got Steve Weizard to come in and host

444
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: his late night show. He brought in Darren Hinch, who

445
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 2: I think at that point was doing radio, and paid

446
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: Darren a silly amount of money.

447
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Speaker 1: So is that how he got his people? Maybe when

448
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Speaker 1: you mentioned as loyalty, do you think the lord he

449
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: was as a result of the amount of dollars as Oh?

450
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like when with Warwick Kapper. I mean,

451
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 2: so Warick was playing for the Sydney Swans. Skase owns

452
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: the Brisbane Bears, so he takes Warwick up to Brisbane,

453
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: pays him one point nine million dollars in that day,

454
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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's about seven menion today, and

455
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: also gives Warwick a men's clothing store and a messuse.

456
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 2: So it's just you know, you could see why you

457
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: would be loyal to him, just like he was. You know,

458
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: he really looked after people.

459
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Speaker 1: Through money around Yeah, what problem wasn't his money? Yes,

460
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: So maybe you could talk about the whole the hotel

461
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: game when you started to playing, so you had the

462
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called the shown, but he

463
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: certainly had the resort.

464
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: Had the gold coast in Port Doug's Mirage. That's the

465
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Speaker 2: other extraordinary thing about this story is these names that

466
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: should be giving you a clue. It's called mirage. Like

467
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: the the the ads we play that there was a

468
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: song that was written for the ads for the mirage.

469
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: The song is called too Good to be True. Like

470
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Speaker 2: there's massive red flags.

471
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Speaker 1: But do you think that you think he was being cute?

472
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Speaker 2: I don't think so, but it's just something with hindsight,

473
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: you go, oh, maybe we should have play paid closer.

474
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Speaker 1: A mirage to Good to be True. And by the way, though,

475
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I heard I only heard

476
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: something I was sure not but I heard PICKSI had

477
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the interior decorational designs of

478
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: exactly right, and they were ahead of the time.

479
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think she clearly had an eye. Yeah yeah.

480
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: And look, you know the Sheridan as it is now

481
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: is still gorgeous. I mean, I think there was a

482
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: crocodile turned up in the pool this week this week,

483
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: but still you still see it and even though it's

484
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: thirty something years old, you know, it's still beautiful.

485
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Speaker 1: So would you call him a man a vision anyway? Oh?

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think, you know, I think in terms

487
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: of Port Douglas, you know, he as a very young man,

488
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: was on four Mile Beach and really had a vision

489
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Speaker 2: of what Port Douglas could be. And so you know,

490
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Speaker 2: I think we absolutely can credit him with making Port

491
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Speaker 2: Douglas into what it is today. Now. You can obviously

492
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: criticize the means by which he got there, but it's

493
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Speaker 2: undeniable that Port Douglas is now, you know, a huge

494
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: resort town and you know it just went gangbusters. So yes,

495
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 2: but that's that's yeah, that's a vision.

496
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Speaker 1: He was a visionary and we had a number of

497
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: visionaries during that period, in that eighties period, and because

498
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: it was very little regulation or regulatory environments, or maybe

499
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: less policing in the regulatory environments as well, we did

500
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: we got some people who were very creative, very innovative.

501
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Speaker 1: Do you think that if you look at today against

502
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: today's backdrop, do you think that in order to have

503
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: more innovation, more creativity, we probably have to have well,

504
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: by definition, therefore, you have to have less oversight.

505
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: It's a very dangerous question. I wouldn't dare weigh.

506
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: In on that because.

507
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, no, I think that's he Look, he was

508
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: a man of his time and that time. If he

509
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: were around today, what would he actually have gotten done?

510
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: Would Port Douglas be what it is? I mean, there's

511
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: just examples of things where you know, there were sand

512
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: dunes that had that were supposed to be preserved that

513
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: were suddenly suddenly disappeared overnight. You know e is Lavish

514
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: property called Bromley, which was he brought to Queenslanders. He

515
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: was specifically told you cannot.

516
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: Demolish these at Poor Douglas.

517
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: That was I don't rememb where it wasn't where else

518
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 2: that was in Queensland. But the point is it's just like, yes,

519
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: they disappeared. Yeah, so you know, yeah, how would he

520
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: have faed today? Probably not that well. So yeah, maybe

521
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: there is something to be said for more hands off approbate.

522
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: Because we often talk about, you know, innovation in Australia

523
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: and we want more innovation. Every country wants more innovation.

524
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: We talk about productivity. You know, you don't get productivity

525
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: without more innovation. Otherwise, if you don't have an innovation,

526
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: You just keep doing the same as you've always done

527
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: so and we don't really change that much. And sometimes

528
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: people like him, whilst we don't know the way he

529
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: does things, we sort of are thankful for what the

530
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: ultimate outcome is, because someone's probably gone to bought the

531
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: property for about a tenth of whatever it is he

532
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: invested in it in current terms and is renting it

533
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: out and people going and staying there enjoying themselves, and

534
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 1: families go other Christmas time. So you know, in some respects,

535
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: maybe some of the things he did was quite good

536
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: in terms of outputs.

537
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I totally understand that argument, and I think yes,

538
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: And of course there'll be people.

539
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: Who do you think that's how he justified How did

540
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: these people justify things in the moment?

541
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: That's really interesting. Yeah. Again, I'd love to take a

542
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: walk around inside his mind. What did he That's really interesting. Yeah,

543
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: And just because I think you get the sense from

544
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: what we've heard from his family members is that they

545
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: really felt that he was certainly for the last decade

546
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: of his life when he was in Spain, that he

547
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: was hounded and you know, unfairly, yes, and that all

548
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: sort of contributed to his because he died at fifty two.

549
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, really was it that young?

550
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: That young?

551
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: Wow?

552
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: It was strange as well because obviously for many years

553
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: there was his claims of being ill, which you know,

554
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: no one believed, and then suddenly one day he really

555
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: was ill, but you know, cried wolf so many times.

556
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: It was quite a shock when he actually did die.

557
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: So what what led to his final demise? It in

558
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: other words, you know, where he decided had to leave

559
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: the country.

560
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: So he had been reported to the corporate regulator because

561
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: he tried to get the Quintexs board to sign off

562
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: on a I think it was like a forty two

563
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: million dollar payment to him for quote unquote management fees.

564
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: And there was one member of the board, his name

565
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: was Ted Harris, who went the lawyer yes, well yeah,

566
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: and Ted Harris was just like a man of integrity.

567
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know him that I remembering, ye, I say.

568
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: And he was the one they went, well, I'm not

569
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: doing this. So he resigned and then reported him to

570
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: the corporate regulator. And so that sort of set the

571
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Speaker 2: wheels in motion.

572
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: And then it was Musk like because Musk is trying

573
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Speaker 1: to get a payment of a billion dollars or something,

574
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: all right, okay, his group.

575
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we see a lot of parallels now

576
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: to what is happening in America. I don't feel like

577
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: we have the same sorts.

578
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: Of moguls or you know, or characters exactly in this country.

579
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: Sadly, sorry, sadly, I don't know if that's the right

580
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: word for it, but.

581
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Well, from a satires's point, thank you, exactly right. Yeah, yeah,

582
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: it is sad, that's it.

583
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you want to get one clib.

584
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're right. In order to be a satiriss

585
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: you need characters like this, Oh my god.

586
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean I've built my career off Dane Toby Joyce,

587
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: like you know, it's just those those big characters you need.

588
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: The dull ones are an absolute punished.

589
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, you can't make it funny, you know, if they're

590
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: dogcau there's nothing to make funny.

591
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm quite relieved to not be doing that at the moment,

592
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: because I would say that the labors be Yeah, I

593
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: think the Labor Party has a bunch of people who

594
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: are quite ordinary, and you know, they go about doing.

595
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Their work and ordinary as in just normal people.

596
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: Exactly. Sorry, there's no judgment on the on their output,

597
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: but just rather they're not you know.

598
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Well they're smart because they know not to be the

599
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: exactly right. They probably could be that person if if

600
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: time is allowed, and if the and if the you know,

601
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: the voting public liked it, paid attention. But now that's

602
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: not territory you want to be in. America is different.

603
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: Australia is totally opposite.

604
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the Abbot government was a

605
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: sort of golden age in my career. You know, I

606
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: think Abbot was certainly a character in his own right,

607
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: and then you had Yes, you had boundary Joys leading

608
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: the Nationals at that point. You have people like Christopher

609
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: Pine even who were sort of odd in their own way,

610
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: the fixer, and then you had Dutton and Morrison, and

611
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: then the rivalry between Turnbull and Abbit. There was a

612
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: lot going on there. I think labor is being a

613
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: bit more sort of okay, everyone just calmed down, let's

614
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: not draw attention to ourselves, let's just get on with

615
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: the job. And so for a satirists, it's a wasted.

616
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: So with case did he was he got put into

617
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: the regulator, which would have been in those days the

618
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: corporate fairs commission and what happened do they did the

619
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: world come tumbling down all of a sudden.

620
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then he had to get out and so,

621
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: which he managed to do. And there's all sorts of

622
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: I think what's extraordinary in the podcast that there must

623
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: be half a dozen times where it feels like the

624
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: net is going to drop on him and he's just

625
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: he's got one other you know, escape route or someone

626
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: on his side that's able to help him. Weird rules

627
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: about bankruptcy trustees, who is responsible for your passport? Things

628
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: like that it's up now that is completely clamped down on.

629
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: But again, there were all these loopholes that he was

630
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: able to squeeze through. He would have had to have

631
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: been Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He always he always seemed to

632
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: be two steps ahead.

633
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Of well advised.

634
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's interesting. Yeah, I mean I suppose so,

635
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: but I don't I don't get the sense that there

636
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: was any kind of I don't know, Svengali figure behind him,

637
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: pulling strings or anything. He seems to have survived on

638
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: his own wits.

639
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: He didn't have a respute and sort of seeing him

640
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: behind him, sort of saying this is the way you've

641
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: got to go.

642
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: No, not that, not that, not to my knowledge or.

643
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: A Mackie Velly talking to the Prince. Like what I'm

644
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: trying to get to is Mint apart from the Pixie.

645
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I think she is the other. I mean

646
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: not to pick wi yes, not to put too much

647
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: responsibility or guilt onto her, but yeah, she was absolutely

648
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, his partner and support network.

649
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't find the branding.

650
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: You think find the branding. Yes, absolutely, that seems to

651
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: be very much the case, especially when when it came

652
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: to like when he had this jewelry store, Pixie was

653
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: really useful at getting because for Skates to make his

654
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: connections in the business world, he'd want to get to

655
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: these men who didn't either didn't know who he was

656
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: or didn't respect him. But if he could get to

657
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: their wives using this jewelry store, then that was the way.

658
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: And so Pixie would have these you know, parties and events,

659
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: and these wives of businessmen would come along and they'd

660
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: get to take something home with them, and then they'd

661
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: go and talk to their husbands and say, Jesus, Christopher's

662
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: case guy is a bit of all right, And then

663
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: it sort of you know ingratiates himself in that way.

664
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: So I think she was very useful and you know that.

665
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: She's still around.

666
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: She just died last year year and she ultimately did

667
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: come back to Australia and just lived in a vent

668
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: before she died. Before she died, Yeah, I don't know

669
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: where Christopher's I don't know if Christopher ever made it

670
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: back here in Ash's former anything or if I'm not sure.

671
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Do you have a family, So Pixie had four daughters already.

672
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: He remarried, He married her when she'd already.

673
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: Been that's right, but they considered that he was he

674
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: was dad to those to those girls. And there is

675
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: again like when one of the daughters the family didn't

676
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: want to participate in this, but one daughter did submit

677
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: a letter just explaining, you know, the man that people

678
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: didn't get to see and what a wonderful father he was.

679
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: So I was he like as in stepfather or he

680
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: became the royal Lakers?

681
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's that. I think, yes, yes, technically

682
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: was a stepfather, but really became their their dad, And

683
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: so they're clearly again was love and loyalty there, you

684
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: know for those who knew him. But from the outside world,

685
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean it was extremely how loathed he was, and

686
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: that the the the extent to which the extent to

687
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: which the Australian public and then ultimately the government and

688
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: the authorities were invested in getting him home to face justice.

689
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 2: You know, there's an episode where we talk about how

690
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: Andrew Denton when he hosted a show ironically on Channel

691
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: seven and I think nineteen ninety five, I was looking

692
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: to hire a bounty hunter to bring Skace back from Spain.

693
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: And you know, he did a fundraising campaign and viewers

694
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: raised two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to put towards

695
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: this bounty hunter, until eventually someone came along to Dandrew,

696
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: this is illegal. We don't do that.

697
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: You can't do that.

698
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: You can't do that. In America it would have been fine,

699
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: but but here that's a little bit too reckless.

700
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: So he escaped I think to Spain was New York. Yes,

701
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: So he escaped Spain. And what's the reason for that?

702
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: Is it because we didn't have an extra distal treaty

703
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: with Spain?

704
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: Is that I was they now they ultimately they were

705
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: able to arrange. I think we did have arrangements there,

706
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: but I think there was just too many oh gosh,

707
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry because.

708
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: We also remember Mark Robert Trombali went to Spain.

709
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh yes, from the I remember the name. You'll have

710
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: to remember.

711
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Robert was the legedly the mafia guy from Griffith who

712
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: they say was responsible for the murder of one of

713
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: our politicians down there, and because you know, allegedly he

714
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: was growing illegal substances down there and you know, marijuana

715
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: or whatever was anyway, but Tromboli escaped to Spain, I think,

716
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: first Island, then in Spain because of some extradition rules

717
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: said he allowed him to stay there.

718
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I think the Spanish authorities ultimately did go along

719
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: with the extradition attempts. But it was then the medical

720
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: issues that became stopped it. So Skace saying that he

721
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: had emphysema, and so he managed to find I think,

722
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: with six or seven medical experts who all came along

723
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: and said, yeah, yeah, he's too sick to travel. But

724
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: then when the Australian government sent there represented to go

725
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: and investigate, his feeling was this is not true, this

726
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: is not an issue at all. So yes, there were

727
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: efforts made, but there was always again sort of a

728
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: get out of gel.

729
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Were there any any suggestion that he sent money over

730
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: there to support himself.

731
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, I mean, yes he had, he would

732
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: have funneled it through. My understanding is that I think

733
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: was Pixie's father was used to help funnel some of

734
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: this money out, and then they had all the they

735
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: also sent it over all the antiques and the furniture

736
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: and all that stuff was there as well. So but look,

737
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: you know, he was living a lavish lifestyle in Spain.

738
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: But it would have been I think it would have

739
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: actually been deeply depressing because you're you're you're on the

740
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: run for ten years, and you know that you're always

741
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: looking over your shoulder. So it wouldn't have been a

742
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: great life.

743
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: So because I remember seeing footage of him during that period,

744
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: I think it would have been the nineties with it, yeah,

745
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair and with a face mask on, and

746
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: it was always attached to it looked like an oxygen tank. Yeah,

747
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: and it was always sort of it looked didn't look good.

748
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: He was sort of slumped over and and I also

749
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: think of himself. I just wondered, as soon as the

750
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: camera's off him, is he just up about sprightly walking around?

751
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Was there something in any of the episodes around the Stuy.

752
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the sense that we have is that that

753
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: was really put on and you know, maybe maybe it'll

754
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: be generous. Maybe he had some mild respiratory difficulties, but

755
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: certainly not to the extent that he was portraying publicly,

756
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: because then he would be photographed getting out and about and.

757
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: There was photographs of him being around the place.

758
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: That's it, And I mean that's my memory of him

759
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: is just like long legs footage of him in a pool,

760
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: just like that's all I remember growing up, just going

761
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: who's this guy that every few years were checking in

762
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: on and waiting for him to come home?

763
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: Did he have some like sort of like palacial digs in?

764
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty good, it was. It was pretty good.

765
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: But again, like I don't know, I don't know how

766
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: you feel about that of just like what sort of

767
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: lifestyle is that. Yes, it's a beautiful home, but you

768
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: can't come back to Australia, you know, the authorities are

769
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: after you.

770
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Was he had he been charged or like.

771
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, so there were yes, So there were Gosh,

772
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: there's too many details me to try and recount them all,

773
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: but yes, there were charges, so but ultimately for nothing.

774
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: And Amanda Vanstone is actually in the podcast and she

775
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: was you know, part of the Howard government at that

776
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: time and desperately trying to get him back. And you know,

777
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: she talks about the efforts to you know, canceling his

778
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: passport and revoking citizenship and just forcing them into increasingly

779
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: desperate situations to try and get a result.

780
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: Well why were they so desperate? Again? But what was

781
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: the situation where? Why are they want of sort of showcases?

782
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: So, I mean because ultimately, in terms of what quintex

783
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: owed I think it was one and a half billion dollars,

784
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Scace personally owed one hundred and seventy million dollars, there

785
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: was the feeling that this guy had not faced the music. Now,

786
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: Alan Bond for all his faults at least went to jail.

787
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: And I think that's the core difference.

788
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the face music.

789
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: That's it. I think because Case never did. There is

790
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: that extra element of loathing of just like, you know,

791
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: you did wrong, just deal with exponding. Ultimately bounced back.

792
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, sort of to an extent, you know

793
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: it was.

794
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I think that's what that's why why

795
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: there was there was such a feeling in the in

796
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: the community as represented by that Denton thing. So the

797
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: government felt like it had to keep pursuing this guy because, yeah,

798
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: the public wasn't ready to let it go.

799
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that people like that during that period,

800
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: like something like him, and I don't know, I presume

801
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: you would have had some supporters around him, probably had

802
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: security and everything else. Do you think that people like that, who,

803
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: given the demise of him, actually today lay down a

804
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: blueprint for anybody else who may be considering doing something

805
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: on that, like taking advantage of the system. In other words,

806
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: don't do it, because that's what you're getting up.

807
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I suspect that's probably true.

808
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean I don't make an example of him.

809
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it didn't impact you at all.

810
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I didn't do any of that, but so well, But

811
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be it because I definitely thought to myself

812
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: at the time, because I was around the eighties working

813
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: in a profession environment. I remember thine himself, my god,

814
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: that would be the worst. I wasn't thinking in context

815
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: of should I copy it, but I just think to myself,

816
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: that would be the worst way to live. I just

817
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: can't imagine that that lifestyle. As you say, you're effectively

818
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: incarcerated in your home. Yes, in Spain it's blake me

819
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: and jail.

820
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's house arrested.

821
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: You can't go anywhere, and after you walked around the

822
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: joint a half a dozen times, you're you're exactly so.

823
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: Trying not to be too sympathetic to the guy, but

824
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: I just feel like, I just don't think that was

825
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 2: would have been a great life.

826
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: No, And I'm not sympathy sympathy for him, but understanding

827
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: how he might have felt. I tried. I tried to

828
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: at the time, and I remember seeing himself that would

829
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: not be anything I'd want to do. And in terms

830
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: of the terrence for the future, I mean, sure they

831
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: tighten up all the regulatory environments so it shouldn't happen

832
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: in the first place. But let's say things away slip

833
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: between the cracks. I'd say most people today would not

834
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: want to leave that life. And you know, if they

835
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: do do it, people still do the wrong thing, but

836
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: they sort of do it undercover now, whereas he was

837
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: way out there.

838
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what you feel,

839
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: what the public appetite would be for someone so ostentatious

840
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: these days.

841
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was ostentatious too. They both were.

842
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: And my gut feeling is today you know, you won't get.

843
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: Away with that flashing it.

844
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: Was and somehow Australia has become more conservative. Well what's

845
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: acceptable is a lot a lot less.

846
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would breed resentment that that style

847
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: of living that they were, you know, showcasing.

848
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: What is the when the ABC wants to do this,

849
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: he goes out to do something like this, what is

850
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: the objective? Is it just because it's an interesting yarn?

851
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I do think that is it. Because so

852
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: this this podcast falls under the umbrella of a group

853
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: called ABC Rewind and so they've previously done it was

854
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: like the Waterfront Dispute from the nineteen ninety so they're

855
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: looking at stories from that era that for those who

856
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: lived through them, it's a sort of refresher and a

857
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: kind of deep dive into some stuff and maybe that

858
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: didn't know or had forgotten. But then for younger people

859
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: like myself, you know, things that were sort of in

860
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: the background of our lives that we didn't understand really

861
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: what was going on. And so that's the I think

862
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: the ABC's sort of ambition with this is just to.

863
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: A social comment though, No.

864
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean you can draw, you can you can make observations.

865
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: About you know, excess.

866
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: The excess and being sucked in by you know, billionaires

867
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: who maybe are not being completely upfront about the questions.

868
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: Was ever a billionaire?

869
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: Like, well, exactly, yeah, that's it. I mean, that's that

870
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: was actually one of the most frustrating parts of the

871
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: podcast of writing it was. I think at certain points

872
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of do a sort of status report

873
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: of what his worth was, but it was because there

874
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: was so much borrowing involved in smoking mirrors just like, well,

875
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: this is the figure that we were kind of able

876
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: to find, but we don't know really if that's if

877
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: that's true. So whether he ever was a billionaire, yes,

878
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: that's open to interpretation.

879
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: He did end up only seven.

880
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he bought seven. Melbourne and Sydney I think

881
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: were the two parts that he bought. And yes, but

882
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't get into the weeds of just how the

883
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: seven ownership was broken up into different cities.

884
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: But then and then he had a children MGM student.

885
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, so he wanted to go into get

886
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: into Hollywood and he flies over there and so yeah,

887
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: he's up against Murdoch and whether or not Murdoch really

888
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: was that serious about it or whether he just wanted

889
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: to see how far he could push skate because Murdoch

890
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: ultimately didn't didn't end up buying it once case fell no,

891
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: so but he got it, but he well, he won

892
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: the bid because Kirk Kuchory and who owned MGM, said sure,

893
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: I'll take two billion dollars again that kind of packer

894
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: bond thing of like if you're if you if you're

895
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: willing to pay that amount of money, sure I'll take it.

896
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: But then when it came to pain that first I

897
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: think it was a fifty billion dollar deposit case, he

898
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: missed it. He missed that first deposit and so.

899
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: It deals off fell over Yeah, oh wow, Yeah, I

900
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. And were there many other people in

901
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: the story like he's like he's lieutenants or his generals

902
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: or apart from people like you know, people evolved with him,

903
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: like in the TV leg during Hint et cetera. But

904
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: whether did he have like a right hand man or

905
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: woman And.

906
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: There was also a turncoat. There's an episode where we

907
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: talk about how one of his essentially, I guess you'd

908
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: say potential sons in law. So who was you know,

909
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: with one of Skase's daughters. He got brought into the company,

910
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: was essentially a right hand man. And then when the

911
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: relationship with the daughter fell apart and the whole thing

912
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: fell apart, he came back to Australia with a bunch

913
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: of documents and said, right, well, here's what i've got on.

914
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: Skate really yeah, and he ended to regulate.

915
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's part of it. That's the thing.

916
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: There's so many different avenues to this story. It is

917
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: much more fascinating and complex than I expected. I say that,

918
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm here to plug it. I

919
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: genuinely recommend it.

920
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: But do you think that's do you think this case?

921
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he would know because you're not in his head.

922
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: But do you think just from observation that he regretted

923
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: in the end what happened, what he did, or how

924
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: we went perhaps how we went about it.

925
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: That's really tough to say. I think I think there

926
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: was some remorse, Yes, I think that. My understanding is

927
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: there was an element of remorse, But I don't really

928
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: know what, if what he would thinks he would have

929
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: done differently. I think he's certainly aware of the damage

930
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: that he'd done, and also I think aware of the

931
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: damage that he'd done to his family like that was not.

932
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: So what was the outcome of that in terms of his family.

933
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean because they were left with nothing, that's our understanding,

934
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: you know, and they're tarnished by that name and so

935
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: Pixie for a long time. It took ages for the

936
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: government to eventually agree to let Pixie come back so

937
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: she could just ye live out her days.

938
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: And met his daughters.

939
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure where they're scattered now, but like

940
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: one of his daughters who had been living over in

941
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: Spain with them, they were left with nothing. And because

942
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 2: her husband had been her husband, Tony Larkins, had been

943
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: part of the business, then everyone came after him as well.

944
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: So you know, Scase was dead, but the family still

945
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: had to deal with the fallout of it. Yeah, it

946
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: was they didn't They didn't do well out of it.

947
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: So you say he died at fifty two, that's very young.

948
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: And I recall you thinking back, you always look pretty young.

949
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: He had a young look to him. But what did

950
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: he die from?

951
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: It was cancer?

952
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but cancer.

953
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: And cancer, and it was the family's belief that it

954
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: was the stress of being on the run for ten years.

955
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: And the family openly blamed the Australia in government for

956
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: Scas's death. But you know, I think you need to

957
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: could go a bit further back as to you know

958
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: why it was.

959
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: So he was on the run for ten years. He

960
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: lived in Spain, was a ten.

961
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: Years, Yes, that's right. Yeah.

962
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: So so he effectively must have left you like at

963
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: forty two.

964
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he bought Channel seven when he

965
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 2: was like thirty eight.

966
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: Wow.

967
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

968
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: So when you think about it, like having the strength

969
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: of character or personality or whatever the case may be,

970
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe just bored ambition to go from bout thirty eighty

971
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: gone by? Oh yeah, what would have been then? In

972
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: those days Channel seven was a big business, like, yeah,

973
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: relatively speaking compared to day because you know, like audiences

974
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: dispersed these days that was nine and seven were the

975
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: big intent But nine and seven and ten probably in

976
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: that order, were big businesses. And for a thirty eight

977
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: year old to go and knock one of those off,

978
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: oh man.

979
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: I mean I worked briefly at Channel seven last year

980
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: and I was thirty eight. But I was just doing

981
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: a little comedy sketches. I didn't own the building business.

982
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: But like, because you imagine those sitting over top of

983
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: it crazy did did do some of the people interview?

984
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: They did? They tell you? Was he micromanager?

985
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: Was he?

986
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: What stolid manager? Was he?

987
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: That's really I don't I don't get that sense, because

988
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: I did wonder about that because you know, you take

989
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: like a Murdoch for example, and there's very much a

990
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: kind of worldview that he has and you can see

991
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: it come out in terms of the content, but you

992
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: don't really get that sense other than he's interested in

993
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: what's going to work. And so he felt like, yeah,

994
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: Steve Wizard was a good, you know, viable comedy option

995
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: because obviously done fast forward and what have you said?

996
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: That's that. Darren Hinch was very popular on radio, So

997
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: that's that. So I don't think that he I don't

998
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: get the sense he was. I don't think the sense

999
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: he was a micromanager, but was certainly was certainly on

1000
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: top of things and certainly had a vision. But one

1001
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: spoke quite highly of him from the seventh like Jennifer Kite, newsreader,

1002
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 2: really speaks quite glowingly of him.

1003
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: So so he maybe he was just a good owner,

1004
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: because some people just like to own everything. Yes, yeah,

1005
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: so he the lines that it was what did you

1006
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: do in the AFL.

1007
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the Brisbane Bears is the teens people. Yeah,

1008
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: and so.

1009
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: He had the Bears, he had Channel seven, he had the.

1010
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Mirage results, Mirage what else, and then there would have

1011
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: been a bunch of other things under quintechs.

1012
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: Quintext whatever Quintex is doing, which he took over. Yeah,

1013
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: as I recall, Quintex was a big public company, a

1014
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: big list of public company. There you're controlled. So and

1015
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: then it was quite amazing that so he must have

1016
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: it was forty two, fifty forty two many left, so

1017
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: he had done all this between the age of let's

1018
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: call it twenty two and forty two. Yeah, that's a

1019
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: lot of stuff to accumulate.

1020
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, it is, it is.

1021
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: There's probably no other way you could do that as

1022
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: you borrow money.

1023
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: Yes. So yeah, he had people that backed him and

1024
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: believed him, believed in him, and you know and Andy, Yeah,

1025
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: and he was you know, he made a success of

1026
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: the things that he did until he didn't until until

1027
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: he just kind of.

1028
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: Well Channel seven would have been successful just so he

1029
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: probably couldn't pay.

1030
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: The interesting yeah exactly.

1031
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah was a good company, but he just pro could

1032
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: pay the interest bill and then and then Marja, the

1033
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: results are great results, but they probably just can't play

1034
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: the interest and.

1035
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: Then but just also just the wasteed, just just the

1036
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: absolute waste of expenses.

1037
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: For the excess of indulgence. Well, maybe I'm just sort

1038
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: of getting a sense of the guys you talk to me.

1039
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: But maybe he was smart to be able to identify

1040
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: good assets because it wasn't if he tried to build

1041
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: a business that never made any money. No, exactly, they

1042
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: were good assets. Yes, he's undoing might have been his

1043
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: indulgent lifestyle, but also of recklessness around how am I

1044
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: going to service the debt?

1045
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: Yes, it is the classic flying too close to the

1046
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: sun sort of thing.

1047
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: Icorous.

1048
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so wings the exactly.

1049
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it's very interesting. And so he died from cancer ultimately,

1050
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: And where do you finish off this this what's last episode?

1051
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: Well, that's yeah, so the very final bits is talking

1052
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: about some of the changes that were made and in

1053
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: terms of like what you talked about regular sciatory stuff,

1054
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: and just yeah, where his some of his family members

1055
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: ended up, and just generally just some of the recollections

1056
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 2: of people who still who still felt loyal to him

1057
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: after all these years. And it's I think it's quite

1058
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: a gentle ending in the sense of we read out

1059
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: a letter that one of his daughters sent to us,

1060
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: and so we do take you know, we're not you

1061
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: know exactly that's it. It really is going. Okay, look,

1062
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: obviously he did these things, but at the end of

1063
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: the day, he was still a family man and a

1064
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: father and people loved him, and we try, we try,

1065
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: and you know, yeah.

1066
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: Fascinating and just reminder with my comedy episodes, we're talking about.

1067
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 3: The five episodes available on so yeah on all the apps,

1068
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 3: but yeah, exact all the apps, and I think ABC

1069
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: probably would love you to listen to it on the

1070
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: ABC Listen app, but otherwise Spotify is fine.

1071
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: Well that's fascinating and any more projects coming.

1072
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: Up, so I'm doing so if you'd like to listen

1073
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: every Saturday evening, I'm doing ABC Radio on ABC Local Radio.

1074
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: I just did a documentary earlier this year about the

1075
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: housing crisis, which is on Binge that's called sold Who

1076
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: broke the Australian dream, so please consume that if you

1077
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: still have binge.

1078
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, some people do, Yeah exactly, we get as

1079
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: part of the packages.

1080
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: Now anyway, I must have binge that lost a lot

1081
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: when HBO Max came along.

1082
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: Yeah yah yeah, but it's up on binge. But any

1083
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: new projects coming up?

1084
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: And then what is the next thing? In twenty twenty

1085
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: six doing a review at the Ensemble Theater in Sydney.

1086
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: So it's myself, Chris Taylor and Andrew Hansen from The

1087
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: Chaser and Christy Wieling and Brown who.

1088
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: Used to be on as Live.

1089
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we don't go to do a live show

1090
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: and it's scary probably too.

1091
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: How do you feel about being live?

1092
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: I love it. To get that immediate response from an

1093
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: audience is wonderful. There's something about you know, because a

1094
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: sketch that I've made in the past, you put them

1095
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: out online, you get likes, retweets, shares, whatever. It doesn't

1096
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: feel the same as that wave of a laugh washing

1097
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: over you. So the live stuff is fantastic, But yes

1098
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: it's much more of a high wire act and of

1099
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: course inevitably there's one night where it goes it's just

1100
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: it's not working.

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00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't know how you guys do it.

1102
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: I really honestly don't know how to comedian can do it,

1103
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: especially sent in front of an audience, live audience, and

1104
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: run the risk of stuff and things up.

1105
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: But you must have done some many live speeches.

1106
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: And yes speeches, yes, but it's controlled like I'm not

1107
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: looking for a response. I'm looking for a clap at

1108
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: the end, but and I am looking at the audience

1109
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: for them to be engaged, but to get them.

1110
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: To laugh, just sprinkle some jokes. Isn't that do you?

1111
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: No?

1112
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. Occasionally do but it's very very rare.

1113
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: Mine's usually about the economy or something like that, but

1114
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: pretty dry. I can't make your jokes about some parts

1115
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: of the economy, but they get But your whole show

1116
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: is about getting people's you know, laughter. That would be tough.

1117
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 2: That's the joy. The risk of it is the joy.

1118
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: I think that's and also sometimes acknowledging when it doesn't work's.

1119
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Go what do you say? What do you say when

1120
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: that happens?

1121
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 2: So well? I do, I do a lot. I also

1122
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: do a lot of corporate gigs, so I host a

1123
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: lot of awards nights and things, and sometimes I'll go

1124
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: for something and I'll get a oh what have you?

1125
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: And I'll just say I took a risk. I just

1126
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: like I'll be honest with you. I just I didn't

1127
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: know if you were ready for that. I put it

1128
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: out there. That's fine.

1129
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: Well, Mark Humphrey's a comedian, satirist, writer, actor, and as

1130
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: you say, best known for your satirical political rhetoric. I

1131
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: could be your joke, right, I probably need one, And look,

1132
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: good luck with the series Christmas Case. I find I'm

1133
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: glad someone's actually done something about him finally, because he's

1134
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: sort of one of the forgotten corporate guys from the eighties.

1135
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: For some reason, he got forgotten.

1136
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's it.

1137
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: All the others get still get talked about, but he

1138
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: got forgotten and most people don't know it was the

1139
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: eighties in this country was mental. People think that things

1140
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: are wild now eighty from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety

1141
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: something early nineties, when the interest rates really kicked up

1142
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: harder than at which point everybody no one survived. But

1143
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: that eighties period was fueled by excess cash, indulgence, excess

1144
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: everything lunches. Friday lunches. Famous story about al Bonnie Scatter

1145
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: a restaurant in Perth on Fridays called the med and Mediterranean,

1146
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: and he would be surrounded by his entourage, some of

1147
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: whom no longer with us, and including himself, and every Friday,

1148
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: if he was in town, every Friday lunch started at

1149
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: twelve and went through to midnight. And that was normal.

1150
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: That was normal.

1151
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: And that's the sense I get from the advertising world

1152
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: as well.

1153
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the advertisers do the same thing that the advertising

1154
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: agents or what you've called the guys around worked in

1155
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: advertising agencies, you know, like that movie that Serious Suits,

1156
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: That's what the sort of all about, and that actually happened.

1157
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: And now on Miami vice thing. That world existed because

1158
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: I was arouseding by thirty during that period, and I

1159
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: remember it. I remember people were like, WHOA, what's going on?

1160
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: And the and I remember one of the ways that

1161
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: the government tried to stop it was introduced the fringe

1162
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: benefits tax for entertainment. So you you, if you were

1163
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: somehow claiming a tax reduction for the expense, you, the

1164
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: people who got the benefit of it had to pay tax.

1165
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: The individuals who got funded to go that for that

1166
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: for that event. And then what they did then is

1167
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: they just completely wiped out all entertainment expenses. No more

1168
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: so if you put on a fund a fun day,

1169
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I should say, on a Friday afternoon, you paid a

1170
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: lot of people come along to your event, and you

1171
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: were putting lunch on. No tax reduction and that that,

1172
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: and of course it killed the restaurant industry because the

1173
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: restaurant industry was surviving off the back of these days.

1174
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: Friday was the day they made all the day because

1175
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: I was selling booze, and the booze the more boos

1176
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: because you're going to eat once in that period from

1177
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: twelve to twelve we might have twice, but once maybe.

1178
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: But one thing you did do is you kept drinking,

1179
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: and that's where the money was made.

1180
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: Do you miss it?

1181
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: No, I don't miss it. I don't drink, so I

1182
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: don't miss it at all. But like and it was

1183
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: the greatest waste of time of all kinds my country,

1184
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: Thanks very much,