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Speaker 1: Seeing Whipper with Kate Richie podcast This.

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Speaker 2: Once for the Mums and Dads announcing new laws to

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Speaker 2: ban social media for kids under sixteen.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty four thousand signatures that we now have.

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Speaker 2: When you're fourteen, you're insecure and so you're just so vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: I want Paris to be able to say sorry, mate,

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Speaker 3: this against the law.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday was a really significant day in Canberra thanks to

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister who confirmed that there would be a

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Speaker 1: rise in the age that kids can join social media

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Speaker 1: from thirteen to sixteen, or as we have been campaigning

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Speaker 1: for that thirty six months. So yesterday we sat down

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Speaker 1: with the Prime Minister and first first, I feel really

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Speaker 1: bad because he did the decency of putting in a

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Speaker 1: phone call the night before to have a chat to me,

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Speaker 1: and I missed that I was out for Japanese. I

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Speaker 1: was having a bit of saki and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: the number, so I had to apologize for the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister some of a couple of saki bombs. But we met,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it was an emotional day because it

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Speaker 1: didn't feel like a moment of celebration, but more moment

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Speaker 1: of relief because as we sat down with the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister and also Michelle Roll and the Communications Minister. We

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Speaker 1: were there with Matt and Kelly who had lost their

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Speaker 1: daughter Charlotte, and also Rob Evans who was there with

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Speaker 1: his daughter live in spirit. So there was a heavy

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Speaker 1: feeling within the room and the Prime Minister confirmed his

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Speaker 1: commitment to raise the age to thirty six months. So

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Speaker 1: for the families that were there and everybody involved and

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Speaker 1: the two hundred and twenty five thousand parents that had

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Speaker 1: signed this petition, it came as such a large relief

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Speaker 1: to so many families and had ensured a better opportunity

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Speaker 1: for our kids in a healthy place for our kids

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Speaker 1: to grow up. Towards the end of the meeting though,

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Speaker 1: and we're about to speak to the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 1: I need to ask him more about this. It was

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Speaker 1: one of those moments where you're sitting there, you're deep

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Speaker 1: in the moment, and someone walked into the room and

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Speaker 1: you could tell there was a level of emergency around it,

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Speaker 1: and they whispered in the Prime Minister's ea, you need

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Speaker 1: to take a phone call, And then I could kind

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Speaker 1: of hear what was going on in the whispering and

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister and Anthony Albernez. He sort of turned to

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Speaker 1: his side and said, it's Donald Trump on the phone.

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Speaker 1: So in hearing that, I said to Albow, are you

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Speaker 1: going to ditch me for Dawn?

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Speaker 2: This is but it might have been. I thought it

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Speaker 2: might have been a tip for Oakster. Yes, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: But if you got to imagine the Prime Minister's trying

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Speaker 1: to juggle his schedule and speak to everybody that has

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Speaker 1: an important message, but he also had to take a

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Speaker 1: call from the new president of the United States. So

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister joins us now from Canberra. We want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you, but we also want to talk

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Speaker 1: about that phone call you had to run out to

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again, I think thanks, thanks Whipper. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I did speak to Donald Trump, and the difference between

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Speaker 3: our conversation yourself was not only do you not take

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Speaker 3: my call, you don't listen to the message.

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Speaker 1: To that, I'm sorry, mate, how rude.

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Speaker 3: He didn't even I said, mate, you get the message?

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Speaker 3: Oh I rang okay, Sorry I didn't know the number,

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Speaker 3: but no, no one can.

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Speaker 4: Get between him and he's sakia my true apology.

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Speaker 3: I understand that Caper. Do you think he might have

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Speaker 3: listened to the voicemail some basic curiosity. I wonder who

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Speaker 3: rang and left the message.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, he's a very busy man. And I have

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Speaker 4: to I have to say it has been admirable watching

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Speaker 4: Whipper and his dedication to this thirty six months, cause

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Speaker 4: he's been working. And it must have been true yesterday

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Speaker 4: where it was less about celebration and more of a

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Speaker 4: relief that we're heading in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I had spoken with that Kelly on the phone,

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Speaker 3: Charlotte's mum, and so it was very humbling to meet

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Speaker 3: these Australians in Matt and Kelly who lost Charlotte and

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Speaker 3: Rob who lost his daughter live and humbling that people

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Speaker 3: who had been through such a traumatic experience had turned

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Speaker 3: that into advocating so that no one else has to

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Speaker 3: go through that experience. And they are just great Australians

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Speaker 3: and I was very pleased to meet with them, even

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Speaker 3: though there's that immediate element of I wish we weren't

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Speaker 3: having to meet. I wish we weren't discussing these issues,

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Speaker 3: but it is something that does have to be dealt with.

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Speaker 3: It's I think a major topic of conversations outside every

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Speaker 3: school pickup on the sideline of every netball court or

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Speaker 3: footy field or cricket over parents are talking about these issues,

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Speaker 3: and we want to get young people off their devices

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Speaker 3: wherever possible and into actually interacting with each other as

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Speaker 3: humans and talking with each other and engaging and playing

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Speaker 3: with each other and having fun with each other. Actually, Anthony,

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Speaker 3: can I just so important?

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Speaker 2: Can I just say the words that you said yesterday?

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Speaker 2: And I know we've been pushing for this quite a while,

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Speaker 2: but that is for every parent, a majority of parents

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Speaker 2: out there, those words of just saying to your child, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: you can't go on social media now, it's against the law.

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Speaker 2: And there's something as basic as that, but that is

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Speaker 2: very very powerful because when your child is saying to here, Mum, dad,

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Speaker 2: everybody's got this at school, everybody is on it, and

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Speaker 2: that's really hard to have an answer for that. But

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Speaker 2: now something as simple as well, unfortunately you're going to

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Speaker 2: wait until you're sixteen because it is against the law,

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Speaker 2: is very powerful for every parent.

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Speaker 3: It sure is, FITZI, and that is one of the

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Speaker 3: things that we're trying to do here. We don't pretend

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Speaker 3: that this will solve all the issues. We also don't

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Speaker 3: assert that some people will find their way around it.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that society shouldn't send a message by

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Speaker 3: establishing rules, which is basically what laws are. Rules that

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Speaker 3: reflects society's values, then reflect our common interests, and we

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Speaker 3: ban people under the age of eighteen from alcohol from

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Speaker 3: a range of activity with good reason. And yes, occasionally

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Speaker 3: people find their way around that. This weekend centers up,

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Speaker 3: there'll be some people who are under eighteen who get

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Speaker 3: access to alcohol. That doesn't mean you say, oh well,

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Speaker 3: we'll just let it rip and not worry about that,

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Speaker 3: And that is really what this is about. We have

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Speaker 3: consulted experts, parents, youth organizations, academics. I've been speaking with

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Speaker 3: the premiers and chief ministers individually this week and this

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Speaker 3: morning I'll convene the National Cabinet because one of the

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Speaker 3: things that I want to make sure is that there's

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Speaker 3: uniformity here. I don't want any different rules operating in

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Speaker 3: different states. I want there to be uniformity and for

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Speaker 3: there to be agreement and then for us to continue

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Speaker 3: to work on this will give when the legislation is passed,

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Speaker 3: it will allow for a minimum twelve month implementation period,

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Speaker 3: but we will establish the law will mean that platforms

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Speaker 3: will have to meet these requirements under the law. The

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Speaker 3: onners won't be on parents, and we think that's important.

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Speaker 3: I noticed some pushback from some of the platforms always

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Speaker 3: this morning. We expect that, but guess what they in

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Speaker 3: social media need a social life and social licenses come

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Speaker 3: from society's values. And thank you for us now apologies

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Speaker 3: for asserting Australian values, tore I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much. Thank you. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And just quickly, Prime Minister, how was that conversation with

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was very constructive, it was warm, it was engaging.

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Speaker 3: I congratulated him as a significant achievement.

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Speaker 2: Did he bring you, Anthony, Yeah, well.

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Speaker 3: We gave we gave the US my mobile number, which

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Speaker 3: he has now. He rang from from Florida where he

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Speaker 3: is setting up his new administration. Of course that he

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Speaker 3: doesn't get sworn in till January. So that was the.

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Speaker 2: First thing he said to you. What was the first

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Speaker 2: thing he said?

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Speaker 3: Look, I won't go into a word for word thing

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Speaker 3: that that's the way that you build relationships.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: But it was it was really warm, it was engaging.

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Speaker 3: We spoke about the common interest that we have. Australia

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Speaker 3: and the United States are great friends, and we reaffirmed

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Speaker 3: that and we look forward to We spoke about catching

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Speaker 3: up together face to face and we certainly will do

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Speaker 3: that and it was a very good beginning to what

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Speaker 3: will be an important relationship.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you on behalf of all the parents and

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Speaker 1: families kids. Also, we thank you for your holding the

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Speaker 1: line on sixteen. We really appreciate it. It means a lot,

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Speaker 1: so thank you so much. Fits In Whipper with Kate

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