1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: From the Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Harvey. Every decade has its own movie or 3 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: TV show which puts the fear of God into parents 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: and kids alike. In twenty twenty five, it's the Netflix 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: series Adolescence, which is jolting conversations about bullying, misogyny, the 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: impacts of digital media on our kids, and how parents 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: respond to all of the above. The reviews are in 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: and they're almost universally glowing, but they all say Adolescence 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: is a tough watch. Thankfully, Tim Douglas, editor of Review, 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: has watched Adolescents for us and joins me to help 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: decide whether it's worthy anxiety. Adolescence is a show I've 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: read a lot about. I've listened to podcas Us about it, 13 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: but I haven't actually taken a step to watch it 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: myself yet. Not because I'm too busy, but because I'm 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: scared of it. I'm the mother of an eleven year 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: old boy and a little girl. I know you're the 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: father of sons. Is this a show that's going to 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: make me totally despondent about this entire generation of kids 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: that we're raising. 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: It's a difficult question to answer. Short answer is yes, 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: Longer answer is no. Of course the kids are all right, 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: as they say. You know, you would have seen in 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: the news Kiostama and in the UK kind of advocated 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: that every child in Britain should watch this show. Now, 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 2: you know, I don't necessarily subscribe to that view because 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: I think a show like this might play into those fears, 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: might actually kind of prosthetize the idea that boys are 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: intrinsically violent or evil and the only salvation they have 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: absolution is to, if not self flagellate, then be flagellated 30 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: in public by the biggest TV show on the planet. 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: That said, I think as a parent it's certainly worth 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: seeing because it discusses a lot of issues, not less 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: of which is cyberbullying. And I think as parents of 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: gen Z's or I forget which generation it is now Alpha, 35 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: I think Alpha and whatever it is, it's probably the 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: prevailing narrative in our parenting careers, as it were, because 37 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: I think it's something it's always at the front of 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: my mind. How much are my kids seeing on their phones? 39 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: What are they looking at? I think it's a really 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: important notion for parents to be across. 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a tradition of dystopian television or film about 42 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: young men. 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: And we sat in the Corova Milk Bar trying to 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: make up our razukdocs what to do with the evening. 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: The Corova Milbar sold the milk plus. 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: A clockwork Orange is probably the most famous example of that. 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: This would sharpen you up and make you ready for 48 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: a bit of the old ultra violence. 49 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: I remember when I was in my early twenties, a 50 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: show called Kids came out which really made me feel 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: the spare for my own generation or the generation just 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: slightly after me. Of course, I'm surrounded by lovely, intelligent, 53 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: soulful kind men, and I know from my own real 54 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: life experience that neither of those generations, the Clockwork Orange 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: generation and the Kids generation were not awful people and 56 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: were not all kind of raping each other or committing 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: mass murder. But it is it seeps into your consciousness, 58 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: doesn't it, This idea that a generation is doomed. 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: Throughout history, much violence has been perpetrated by men, and 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: there is a real basis for this fictional show. 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: Convicted murderer Hassan Santami was seventeen years old when he 62 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: murdered Ellie and and I'm outside the shopping center in Croydon. 63 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: She was just fifteen years old. 64 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Let's start without breaking news from Liverpool, a fourteen year 65 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: old boy found guilty of the murder of schoolgirl Eva White. 66 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: The twelve year old was stabbed while out with friends. 67 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: Stephen Graham and Jack Thorne came up with this idea 68 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: after two girls were murdered in the UK by boys, 69 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: and you know, coincided with a rise in knife crime. 70 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: Apparently eighty three percent of teen murders done with a 71 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: blade in the UK. So they were inspired by that 72 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: idea to shine a light on this issue. But whether 73 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: it's alarmer store, whether it's ringing alarm bells, I think 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: they're two different things. It's been a little bit of 75 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: commentary in the last couple of days leaning towards the 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: ladder that it might be a little bit alarmist. That said, 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: this show is two weeks old. It feels like it 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: is the predominating conversation of twenty twenty five. Everyone's talking 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: about it. Claire, you might be one of the only 80 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: people that hasn't seen it. There sixty six million people 81 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: streamed this show in the first eleven days of being 82 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: on Netflix. It is on track to become the biggest 83 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: Netflix show in history. Stephen Graham, for him, this will 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: be a crowning moment in his career, and I think 85 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: we should expect award season that year to dominated by 86 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: this show. But I do think also the irony of 87 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: this show in its own way is that men will 88 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: be the ones that take home these awards. 89 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: Men are the ones that pronominate in the show. 90 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: Katie, the young girl isn't really seen in real time 91 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: in the show. It's only really the boys and the men, 92 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: and so really kind of interesting takeaway is that men 93 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: will come out on top of the show that actually 94 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: is about women. 95 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 96 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: So, Stephen Graham is one of the most thoughtful and 97 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: interesting creatives working today. He's capable of playing men who 98 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: are walking a line between sort of violence and aggression 99 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: and deep sensitivity. I've heard him talking about how in 100 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: real life he is a crier and he's very sensitive. 101 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: He's a hugger, and he's constantly sort of lavishing his 102 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: children with hugs and kisses. But he wanted in adolescence 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: to play a father who was not really like that, 104 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: very hard working kind of self made man runs a 105 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: successful plumbing business out all day and is coming to 106 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: the sort of realization that his son is being influenced 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: by others outside of the home. Just tell me about 108 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: the premise of adolescence. What happens? 109 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: The story revolves around thirteen year old Jamie, who's raised 110 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: in a working class suburban English home by The series 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: begins with the police in a dawn raid outside the house, 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: knocking the door down, very dramatic scenes kind of arresting 113 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: this teenager in his bedroom. The show then shows him 114 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: taken to the police station where he's processed and eventually 115 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: charged with murder, and then the show basically deals over 116 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: the next three episodes with the fallout from the family 117 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: and where that story takes us. 118 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: Ask your watch, Okay, no matter what happen, did you 119 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 5: do it? 120 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: Ultimately it finishes with the embodiment of exactly what you 121 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: said about Stephen Graham and the character he plays in 122 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: this film. He's a very hard working man who at 123 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: the end he crumbles. It's an astonishing performance. 124 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: You know. 125 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: One of the final scenes, without giving too much away, 126 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: is that he basically, you know, puts his head in 127 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: his child's pillow. 128 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: And says, I fail you. I should have done better. 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: And I think that's a really interesting idea on modern fatherhood. 130 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: Even talking to a lot of my friends, I feel 131 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: like we want to do so much for our children. 132 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: We want the world for them. We try to be 133 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: great dads, and there's still the subtext among them a 134 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: lot of dads that you know, he's still the authoritarian 135 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: in the family. And I think that balance is really 136 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: kind of well defined by someone like Stephen Graham, who, 137 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: as you say, is a very gritty character, but he 138 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: does crumble. It's that kind of male fragility that I 139 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: think most modern dads are walking that. 140 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 4: Tirape, and I think he really articulates it perfectly. 141 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 5: But do do you sometimes think we should have stopped 142 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 5: he seeing it and stopped her wet later. It's not 143 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 5: our faults. I can't blame ourselves, but we made them. 144 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: He and his wife are talking about the choices that 145 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: they've made as parents, and Stephen Graham's character says, my 146 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: dad beat me black and blue, and I didn't do that. 147 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: I promised myself I wasn't going to do that. That 148 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: is the big picture of the way humans have evolved. 149 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: I think we are getting better generation upon generation. You know, 150 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: we are kinder and gentler parents than our parents were. 151 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: They didn't make the mistakes that their parents did, you know. 152 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: And now we're in an age in the twenty first 153 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: century where we all have the opportunity to be kind 154 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: of warm, loving parents, lavishing the kids with hugs and kisses. 155 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: So this is a harsh assessment of parenting as well, isn't. 156 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: It's not just about the failures of teenage boys. 157 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: It is, and in fact, it really is a show 158 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: for the parents, not just because of the way your 159 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: parent in the way your parents did it. 160 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: It's these outside influencers. 161 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: And this is a big part of what this show 162 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: deals with, the so called mano sphere or the man 163 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: of verse, you know, one of the ugliest portmanteaus in 164 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: recent linguistic history. But you know, this is a controversial 165 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: sub genre of male dominated influences, people like Andrew Tate 166 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: who advocate men's rights and basically oppose feminism. 167 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: So I think my sister is her husband's property. 168 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 5: Yes, When a bride is walking down the aisle to 169 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 5: marry the groom, the father walks next to her and 170 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 5: gives her away true or false. 171 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: And So it's this idea that you might be fighting 172 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: against those inner demons to be the most loving dad 173 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: you can be and to kind of you reverse the 174 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: sins of your own father. But there are these outside 175 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: influencers that are even more evil and insidious that you 176 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: don't have control over. And I think that is the 177 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 2: most important part about this show, is that we need 178 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: to know what our kids are watching. 179 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: There's also some interesting things too. 180 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: I mean, we had an email exchange yesterday, Claire where 181 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: I sent an emoji and jokingly kind of said, I 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: hope this means what I think it means, you know, 183 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: because I'm never required across it. But that's a key 184 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: part of this show too, because the protagonist, Jamie is 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: well allegedly bullied by some of the females at his school. 186 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: And you know, some of the emojis are quite adatying 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: to the police when they read them, but it's not 188 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: until a child comes and articulates exactly what those things 189 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: mean that the pieces of the puzzle for the police 190 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: start to become clear. So it's a real generation gap too. 191 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: I suppose it's been ever thus between parents and children, 192 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: but I think it is a really interesting kind of 193 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: line that they prosecute with respect to communication and how 194 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: kids talk to each other. 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Coming up adolescence is definitely alarming, But is that enough 196 00:10:50,679 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: to make it really great television? Tim, you made a 197 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: distinction a little earlier between alarmism and ringing alarm bells. 198 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: Adolescence has chosen to go to the extreme. I mean, 199 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: this is not about an attempted murder or a fight 200 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: in the playground. This is actually a murder. Somebody dies. 201 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: So can we talk a little bit about that choice. 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: Would it have been as effective if it hadn't been 203 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: quite so catastrophic? Would it have been more real if 204 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: it hadn't been quite so alarmist? 205 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: They clearly, as you say, went to that nth degree. 206 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: Their creative choices were very clear. They wanted to shock 207 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: people here. They wanted to go and make a point. Also, 208 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: they don't just allude to Andrew. Andrew Tat is mentioned 209 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: in cell culture, you know, in cells, of course, being 210 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: this network of men dominated by alpha type personalities. 211 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: And who say if you're an involuntary celibate that it's 212 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: women's fault. 213 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: That's right. 214 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Those views are expressed subtly through the protagonists and his friends. 215 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, there's a real conscious choice because 216 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: you know, there is a very clumsy moment in the 217 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: dialogue where Stephen Graham's character says, oh, you know, I 218 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: was just looking through my phone and some guy came 219 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: on telling me how much I should hate women, and 220 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: I was just trying to find something for the gym. 221 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: It's a very kind of clumsy sort of moment, almost 222 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: as clumsy as the way I rearticulated it just now. 223 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: But you know, they are very conscious choices made so 224 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: that you know who we're talking about. 225 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it as a piece of storytelling. Britain 226 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: specializes in very bleak crime procedurals, usually focused on the 227 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: victim and then the investigators. This one's focused on the 228 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: family and the alleged perpetrator. How do you think that works? 229 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: Do they pull that off? 230 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: I think they pull it off. 231 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: We focus on the child in the first episode and 232 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: then the family for the rest of them. Devastating kind 233 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: of finale is focused almost exclusively on the parents and 234 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: the father and mother who feels kind of sidelined by 235 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: the relationship between the men in the house. 236 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: You are a good one. Maybe I took me off 237 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 5: the ball alone what's a good ball. She was. 238 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: But I think one of the strongest characters is actually 239 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: the cinematography. I mean, this is shot in one take. 240 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: If there's a mistake, they go back and start it again. 241 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: So every episode was filmed at least ten times. And 242 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: when you realize how this thing is shot, it's basically 243 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: on a handheld gimbals. They passed to each other, so 244 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: you know, the opening scene we showed the police storming 245 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: up the stairs, and you feel like you're bobbing like 246 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: a cork on the surface of the action. It was 247 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: a very claustrophobic way of filming something. We finished this 248 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: first episode and my wife kind of sat there devastated 249 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: on the couch. I couldn't tell she was devastated by 250 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 2: what she'd seen, or that i'd introduced it to her. 251 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: In fact, we still haven't had a conversation. You're in 252 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: trouble and so yeah, it really is. The anxiety is 253 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: real and you should be prepared for it. 254 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Well, I might watch ADO lessons, but then I'll be 255 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: straight afterwards watching The Great British break Off to make 256 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: myself feel better. 257 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 4: That's good, it'd be like getting the bends. 258 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: But good luck with that just have some oxygen handy. 259 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: Tim Douglas is editor of Review in the Weekend Australian. 260 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: You can find it wherever you buy the payper and 261 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: online at Beaustralian dot com dot au slash review. Thanks 262 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: for joining us on the front. Our team is Kristen Amy. 263 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: It's Stephanie Coombs, Joshua Burton, Lea Tamerglue, Tiffany Dimak, Jasper 264 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: League and me Claire Harvey.