WEBVTT - 3. Just Harden Up and Do It 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:14.201 Apogee production. Ryan Whitwell Dwyer's sister murdered their granddad. She's 0:00:14.241 --> 0:00:17.681 currently serving twenty years for his murder, all to try 0:00:17.681 --> 0:00:20.561 and steal one hundred thousand dollars in cash that he'd 0:00:20.561 --> 0:00:23.961 stashed in his house. In the last episode, we heard 0:00:24.001 --> 0:00:27.721 how Brittany and another friend, Shelby, drove to Adelaide from Brisbane. 0:00:28.241 --> 0:00:31.601 They unsuccessfully tried to jump the fence and find cash 0:00:31.681 --> 0:00:35.321 hid in Robert shed. They left Adelaide empty handed. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:40.720 He really jumped into security mode and he actually had 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.201 all of his the color bond defences heightened. He actually 0:00:45.241 --> 0:00:46.240 had them all redone. 0:00:46.561 --> 0:00:49.080 So that was my last conversation with Dad. He was 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.001 talking about someone jumping into the backyard and that he 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:58.041 had noticed this car. He was saying it was like 0:00:58.281 --> 0:01:03.920 a suv, like a bigger piner car, but it was 0:01:04.041 --> 0:01:08.721 parked in this little lane way that Dad had near 0:01:08.801 --> 0:01:11.681 his brightney, his house, or the lane way that went 0:01:11.761 --> 0:01:14.961 through to the next brod. This car had actually parked 0:01:15.081 --> 0:01:17.481 in the lane way and he was saying, I've never 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.880 seen a car park in there before, and it had 0:01:21.721 --> 0:01:26.121 interstate number plates on it. And this was our last conversation, 0:01:26.441 --> 0:01:31.761 so little did we know that we're Brittany's doing. 0:01:31.961 --> 0:01:35.401 So did that and then also relocated the money? 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.200 Did he tell anyone that he was doing that? 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.640 He told us about the fences, Okay, didn't tell anyone 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:41.240 about the money. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.920 Yeah, so I'm guessing if he's told you about the fences, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.121 you've possibly mentioned it to your sister. 0:01:47.401 --> 0:01:50.201 Yeah, maybe someone, I think, because she wasn't living with 0:01:50.281 --> 0:01:52.241 us at that time, I actually don't think she knew 0:01:52.441 --> 0:01:55.721 that the fences had been done. Yea, it could have 0:01:55.761 --> 0:01:58.961 come up in conversation. I don't remember, but yeah, I 0:01:59.001 --> 0:02:00.121 obviously knew about it. 0:02:01.761 --> 0:02:04.841 This point is important because it now makes sense that 0:02:05.041 --> 0:02:08.161 when Brittany went back to Adelaide with Bernadette, this time 0:02:08.201 --> 0:02:11.601 to kill her granddad, she wouldn't climb a fence. She 0:02:11.601 --> 0:02:14.601 would ring the doorbell and a granddad would let her in. 0:02:15.201 --> 0:02:18.880 He'd be excited to see his granddaughter, and although surprised, 0:02:19.281 --> 0:02:22.721 he would invite her in and offer a breakfast. The 0:02:22.761 --> 0:02:26.001 person that accompanied Brittany down to Adelaide this second time 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.641 was Bernadette Burns. She was twenty two. In Facebook pictures, 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.161 Bernadette has tattoos on her arms and her neck. She's 0:02:34.161 --> 0:02:37.081 wearing a nose ring and is smiling in the selfie 0:02:37.161 --> 0:02:38.881 that she took in the front seat of a car. 0:02:40.881 --> 0:02:45.280 They met through gumdry of all places. 0:02:45.761 --> 0:02:47.281 How do you meet someone a gum tree. 0:02:47.321 --> 0:02:54.281 I think they were either there to buy something or 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:59.400 it was like a rental advertisement, and that's how they 0:02:59.481 --> 0:03:01.440 sort of connect. It is my understanding. 0:03:02.321 --> 0:03:04.401 What else do you know about Bernadette has. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.761 Had some trouble in the past. She's a single, She 0:03:06.841 --> 0:03:10.201 was a single mum, didn't really work or anything like that, 0:03:10.561 --> 0:03:14.761 had some troubles with her ex partner, cust the issues, 0:03:15.561 --> 0:03:16.240 that sort of thing. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.521 Your sister and Bernadette. Were they in a relationship? 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.400 We believed, so, Yeah, there was a lot that sort 0:03:24.401 --> 0:03:26.561 of came out in the letters that I that I 0:03:26.641 --> 0:03:29.680 communicated with Brittany with through when she was in jail. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.160 And again from what Brittany had said to me, it's 0:03:33.481 --> 0:03:36.081 it seemed like the story to change. 0:03:35.801 --> 0:03:36.321 A fair bit. 0:03:36.481 --> 0:03:39.601 It was yes, they were, No, they weren't. They were 0:03:39.641 --> 0:03:42.121 just friends. The time when she was living with me, 0:03:42.681 --> 0:03:47.081 there was conversations around moving and moving into like a 0:03:47.081 --> 0:03:50.401 better house and up in the North side of Brisbane. 0:03:50.721 --> 0:03:52.521 You know, She's like, oh, you know, we can rent 0:03:52.561 --> 0:03:55.761 this four bedroom, double story house. It's only eight hundred 0:03:55.841 --> 0:03:58.121 a week and all of this, and I think they 0:03:58.121 --> 0:04:01.001 weren't going to go back to Shelby's. Potentially Shelby was 0:04:01.041 --> 0:04:04.881 going to move in with Brittany into the sharehouse, and 0:04:05.121 --> 0:04:07.401 I think that all sort of fell through, and that's 0:04:07.441 --> 0:04:10.441 where sort of Bernadette came in handy. Whether or not 0:04:10.481 --> 0:04:13.481 they actually ever moved into this house, I'm not sure. 0:04:15.361 --> 0:04:17.601 As we sort of figure out, there was a lot 0:04:17.601 --> 0:04:21.041 of lies of where they did, didn't live, what they 0:04:21.081 --> 0:04:24.881 were doing, to what was told to us, but I 0:04:24.961 --> 0:04:27.440 know that Brittany did live in a shower home and 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:28.481 Bernadette lived there. 0:04:28.801 --> 0:04:29.721 They were using drugs. 0:04:30.081 --> 0:04:32.760 They were using a lot of drugs. Apparently what sort 0:04:32.801 --> 0:04:37.041 of drugs what came out in the court case was 0:04:37.481 --> 0:04:43.161 a substantial amount of cocaine. There was references to ice 0:04:43.281 --> 0:04:44.201 as well. 0:04:44.481 --> 0:04:47.640 Which is okay, not a cheap drug, not a cheap 0:04:47.681 --> 0:04:50.841 drug at all. No, how were they acquiring you know, 0:04:50.921 --> 0:04:54.201 those sort of Class A drugs that are reasonably expensive. 0:04:55.361 --> 0:04:58.520 There was a lot that sort of came out in 0:04:58.561 --> 0:05:01.481 the letters that I that I communicated with Brittany with 0:05:01.641 --> 0:05:05.880 through when she was in jail, and money was being 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:12.041 made through prostitution and dealing drugs on behalf of people, 0:05:13.041 --> 0:05:15.361 you know, to then get I guess free stock. 0:05:16.241 --> 0:05:19.721 Let's just go to that. The prostitution piece. This is 0:05:19.761 --> 0:05:22.921 something that was revealed in court, and I guess this 0:05:23.001 --> 0:05:26.041 now makes sense or made sense to you at the 0:05:26.081 --> 0:05:29.161 time when it was revealed. Although it was a revelation, 0:05:29.561 --> 0:05:34.881 this was essentially Brittany's domino's job and you're picking her 0:05:34.921 --> 0:05:37.601 up from strip clubs. What was she using the strip 0:05:37.641 --> 0:05:39.561 clubs for? Do you think, I think. 0:05:39.401 --> 0:05:43.841 To potentially meet people to then go and do it. 0:05:43.961 --> 0:05:47.201 I don't think it really ever happened at the strip clubs, 0:05:47.241 --> 0:05:51.121 but you were sort of able to wiazle your way 0:05:51.121 --> 0:05:54.320 in and then sort of go a, you know, we 0:05:54.361 --> 0:05:56.520 can do this, and then off we go. 0:05:56.761 --> 0:06:00.601 She got a captive audience, right, yeah, yeah, prime target. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.520 How did you feel when you heard that about your sister? 0:06:05.561 --> 0:06:09.880 Disappointed? Just some people have said to me. Or did 0:06:09.921 --> 0:06:12.681 you feel ashamed or did you feel embarrassed? No? Not really. 0:06:12.761 --> 0:06:19.601 It was more just I felt so sad that at 0:06:19.641 --> 0:06:23.320 any time she could have come and spoke to any 0:06:23.361 --> 0:06:26.880 of us, any of us, you know, and talk about 0:06:27.801 --> 0:06:30.760 how to get out of this or money or whatever 0:06:30.801 --> 0:06:34.400 the case might have been, and she didn't feel like 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.801 she could for some reason, and to have to go 0:06:36.841 --> 0:06:45.961 down that path is just so awful, just troubling. In 0:06:46.001 --> 0:06:49.440 the letters, we spoke about this and it seemed like 0:06:49.481 --> 0:06:53.681 she'd been doing this for a long time. There was 0:06:53.961 --> 0:06:56.161 days at high school that she was doing. 0:06:56.001 --> 0:07:02.241 This prostitution at what age in high school. 0:07:02.561 --> 0:07:06.361 I can't pinpointed exactly. That she does talk about in 0:07:06.361 --> 0:07:11.161 the letters about you know, meeting with people and that 0:07:11.201 --> 0:07:12.921 sort of thing, and you sort of have to read 0:07:12.961 --> 0:07:15.001 in between the lines a little bit with that. 0:07:16.201 --> 0:07:19.121 I think that all the drugs that they were using, 0:07:20.121 --> 0:07:29.881 or she was using, and the prostitution, she wasn't living 0:07:29.921 --> 0:07:33.401 at home, but she would tell me that that Shelby 0:07:33.881 --> 0:07:38.361 worked in the strip club and that's why they went 0:07:38.401 --> 0:07:40.881 to the strip club a lot. Either she was picking 0:07:40.881 --> 0:07:43.921 Shelby up from work or dropping her off or whatever. 0:07:44.481 --> 0:07:46.801 Not that I would mind that they go to places 0:07:46.801 --> 0:07:50.121 like that, but she just had to lie to me 0:07:50.241 --> 0:07:51.681 all the time. I think. 0:07:53.761 --> 0:07:56.441 Across the years Brittany has been in jail, Ryan has 0:07:56.521 --> 0:07:59.321 communicated with his sister. He told me that part of 0:07:59.361 --> 0:08:01.961 it is trying to find out what happened and part 0:08:02.001 --> 0:08:04.401 of it is trying to understand why she did it. 0:08:05.121 --> 0:08:08.521 Ryan's mom, Tanya, hasn't spoken to her daughter Brittany since 0:08:08.561 --> 0:08:09.601 she murdered Robert. 0:08:12.081 --> 0:08:16.561 So this letter was actually sent to my mom via 0:08:16.681 --> 0:08:22.841 me on the eighteenth of December of twenty nineteen. So 0:08:22.881 --> 0:08:26.721 it says to Mum, I am so sorry that it 0:08:26.761 --> 0:08:29.201 has been so long since I wrote you. The last 0:08:30.001 --> 0:08:33.041 letter Ryan mentioned that you needed time and that you 0:08:33.121 --> 0:08:35.641 hadn't read any of the last letters that I had sent. 0:08:36.121 --> 0:08:38.561 I'm so sorry that I couldn't be the daughter you 0:08:38.681 --> 0:08:42.241 and Dad deserved to have. I did not mean to 0:08:42.281 --> 0:08:45.521 live this life, or to continue lying to both of 0:08:45.521 --> 0:08:48.241 you about having a job, a house, and committing a 0:08:48.241 --> 0:08:52.081 crime to live. Once I moved out of home, my 0:08:52.841 --> 0:08:56.721 life started to spiral downwards, and I was ashamed to 0:08:56.761 --> 0:09:01.201 come to you for help. I became highly dependent on 0:09:01.281 --> 0:09:05.321 alcohol and ice. Honestly, I did not think I think 0:09:05.441 --> 0:09:08.441 that you would understand. For years, you made me feel 0:09:08.481 --> 0:09:10.481 like I had to live up to Ryan, and I 0:09:10.601 --> 0:09:14.001 just couldn't. I was never enough. I knew that if 0:09:14.041 --> 0:09:17.441 I had come clean that our relationship would have become 0:09:17.521 --> 0:09:20.641 more distant, and all I ever wanted was to feel 0:09:20.681 --> 0:09:24.280 loved by you and have a healthier mother daughter relationship. 0:09:25.001 --> 0:09:27.081 I don't want you to blame yourself. I know that 0:09:27.121 --> 0:09:29.241 you did the best you could, and you always made 0:09:29.241 --> 0:09:35.041 sure that we never went without. I have been broken 0:09:35.201 --> 0:09:38.201 and dealing with my demons for years and years, and 0:09:38.241 --> 0:09:41.201 I eventually became very good at keeping them a secret 0:09:41.201 --> 0:09:45.121 from everybody. Once I became addicted to the drug Eyes, 0:09:45.281 --> 0:09:48.641 I could no longer control the flashbacks and pain. This 0:09:48.721 --> 0:09:55.081 led to my imprisonment. I regret each and every action 0:09:55.321 --> 0:09:58.081 that I ever did. I live with the remorse and 0:09:58.121 --> 0:10:00.761 the regret every day, and I just want you to 0:10:01.081 --> 0:10:04.001 know that I'm completely and utterly sorry for all of it. 0:10:04.281 --> 0:10:06.321 You and the rest so the family did not deserve 0:10:06.401 --> 0:10:08.921 to feel pain for an action that I regret deeply, 0:10:09.081 --> 0:10:12.201 and I'm so sorry for the for inflicting that sort 0:10:12.201 --> 0:10:15.521 of nightmare onto you all. And I understand that sorry 0:10:15.761 --> 0:10:20.041 in quotations simply does not go back and change the 0:10:20.081 --> 0:10:22.321 past that I have created. But I miss having you 0:10:22.401 --> 0:10:25.001 in my life, Mum, and I need you to know 0:10:25.121 --> 0:10:27.881 that what I did torments me every day, and if 0:10:27.881 --> 0:10:30.961 I could go back, I would go back, but I can't, 0:10:31.001 --> 0:10:34.201 and I can't change anything that I've done. You're still 0:10:34.281 --> 0:10:36.841 my mother, and I honestly need you now more than ever. 0:10:37.441 --> 0:10:41.681 Every occasion, every birthday, every Christmas that goes by without 0:10:41.761 --> 0:10:44.601 hearing from you honestly is killing me inside. I know 0:10:44.721 --> 0:10:47.801 that I have not been the daughter you deserve to have, 0:10:47.881 --> 0:10:50.921 but I am honestly so broken without my mum. I 0:10:50.961 --> 0:10:54.281 cannot start moving on with my life in here without you. 0:10:54.841 --> 0:10:57.121 I truly do not expect your forgiveness, and I do 0:10:57.201 --> 0:11:00.281 not believe that I deserve such leniency, but I do 0:11:00.361 --> 0:11:02.921 need my mum being in my life. I love your mum. 0:11:03.321 --> 0:11:12.841 Brittany, how did you feel reading that for the first time? 0:11:13.801 --> 0:11:16.441 Oh, it actually makes me want to cry. To be fair, 0:11:18.121 --> 0:11:26.121 it's you know, I it's I didn't realize. You know, 0:11:26.441 --> 0:11:30.481 I haven't read that letter for a long time, and 0:11:30.521 --> 0:11:33.001 actually that was the first time I physically read it 0:11:33.041 --> 0:11:37.201 in years, since twenty nineteen. And to be fair, I 0:11:37.241 --> 0:11:40.201 think I blocked a lot of that out because in 0:11:40.561 --> 0:11:44.641 my communication with her, I didn't ever really feel like 0:11:44.721 --> 0:11:47.761 she was properly remorseful. And then I read that the 0:11:47.841 --> 0:11:52.241 original time, and it made me feel like she was 0:11:52.281 --> 0:11:55.801 sorry because it was convenient for her to be sorry 0:11:55.841 --> 0:11:59.121 and she needed something out of that, which you know 0:11:59.441 --> 0:12:03.681 is mum to communicate to her. But reading that again, now, 0:12:04.001 --> 0:12:06.561 you know, it does make me, you know, quite emotional, 0:12:07.281 --> 0:12:08.481 very hard to read. 0:12:12.561 --> 0:12:17.081 There was a portion in the letter that felt a 0:12:17.121 --> 0:12:21.481 little like victim blaming where she said she didn't use 0:12:21.521 --> 0:12:26.001 these words, but I'm paraphrasing, and you know, the standards 0:12:26.841 --> 0:12:30.081 for her were so high because of you and Ryan. 0:12:31.121 --> 0:12:33.961 How did that make you feel? I sort of went, oh, wow, 0:12:34.041 --> 0:12:36.441 that sounds like she's going, hey, listen, I did this, 0:12:36.481 --> 0:12:38.481 and really it's a bit of your fault too. 0:12:39.841 --> 0:12:43.481 Yeah, I certainly feel that as well reading that. 0:12:45.641 --> 0:12:48.081 Have you read any of her letters? 0:12:48.241 --> 0:12:50.361 Don't I did. 0:12:50.801 --> 0:12:53.681 I think Ryan kept them from me for a while, 0:12:53.801 --> 0:12:56.761 knowing that I couldn't handle them back in the day. 0:12:57.401 --> 0:13:01.401 But there came a time when I just said to Ryan, 0:13:02.281 --> 0:13:04.801 can I have those letters? I want to read those 0:13:06.121 --> 0:13:09.201 and you know, you just know that you're going to 0:13:09.201 --> 0:13:12.761 cry for a few days because you know that's my 0:13:12.921 --> 0:13:17.881 daughter and it is but I did. I cut through. 0:13:18.041 --> 0:13:20.441 There was a pair few letters and cards. There was 0:13:21.481 --> 0:13:28.361 Mother's Day card and birthday cards, and then it was 0:13:28.401 --> 0:13:32.601 probably a year after I read those letters that I 0:13:32.761 --> 0:13:38.121 decided to write her a letter. So I did write 0:13:38.121 --> 0:13:43.081 her a letter, and that was about eighteen months ago, 0:13:43.281 --> 0:13:46.401 and I haven't heard. I never got a response from 0:13:46.441 --> 0:13:49.881 my letter, so I really don't even know if she 0:13:49.921 --> 0:13:54.201 actually got it in jail or if she just has 0:13:54.241 --> 0:13:56.761 written me off and doesn't want anything to do with me. 0:14:01.041 --> 0:14:04.201 Bernadette Burns is Britney's co accused. As we heard, they 0:14:04.241 --> 0:14:06.881 met on gum Try and lived together in a sharehouse. 0:14:07.321 --> 0:14:11.801 It's unclear if they were romantically together. The story seems 0:14:11.801 --> 0:14:15.321 to differ across a few different people. Bernadette had a 0:14:15.401 --> 0:14:19.401 child at seventeen that she battled for custody on She 0:14:19.521 --> 0:14:22.041 told Brittany that's why she needed the money. 0:14:22.761 --> 0:14:27.441 Honestly, that part I sort of have not thought about 0:14:27.561 --> 0:14:30.201 a great deal. There's a lot of anger for me 0:14:30.361 --> 0:14:33.601 with her, and I think she got off way too lightly, 0:14:34.561 --> 0:14:37.201 saying with Shelby when all of that stuff was coming 0:14:37.241 --> 0:14:39.881 out about having a hard life, I didn't care because 0:14:39.921 --> 0:14:42.801 I think you can either be the victim and play 0:14:42.841 --> 0:14:46.881 the victim, or be a survivor and change her own path. 0:14:47.121 --> 0:14:49.561 And for me that was a bit of a similar thing. 0:14:49.601 --> 0:14:52.801 But yeah, I had heard that she was also bullied 0:14:52.801 --> 0:14:55.561 at school, and she had sort of turned to drugs 0:14:55.641 --> 0:14:57.321 and all of that sort of stuff. 0:14:57.361 --> 0:15:00.121 But she was a New Zealand citizen. Yeah, and so 0:15:00.161 --> 0:15:02.441 her parents were over from New Zealand. I'm guessing. 0:15:02.721 --> 0:15:03.481 Yeah. 0:15:03.521 --> 0:15:07.881 The judge took into account her obviously early plea, her 0:15:08.161 --> 0:15:11.841 guilty lee liking that they did. Your sister. She talked 0:15:11.881 --> 0:15:15.481 about to a psychologist that she'd had difficulties at school, 0:15:15.801 --> 0:15:19.601 being bullied. She left in year eleven. Apparently the family 0:15:19.761 --> 0:15:23.121 was devastated by floods and they moved, and then she 0:15:23.161 --> 0:15:25.801 gave birth to her child when she was seventeen, amid 0:15:25.961 --> 0:15:30.321 a volatile relationship with her father. She apparently had unemployment, homelessness, 0:15:30.361 --> 0:15:34.681 and significant drug use, and she had attempted suicide. So 0:15:34.761 --> 0:15:38.601 she had a rough young life. But that doesn't admonish 0:15:38.961 --> 0:15:43.161 her behavior. If your sister had never met Bernadette, she 0:15:43.201 --> 0:15:44.681 thinks she would have murdered your grandad. 0:15:45.681 --> 0:15:53.201 Yeah. I think it goes back to Shelby. Brittany needed 0:15:53.241 --> 0:15:58.761 somebody to support her through doing this, and I think 0:15:58.761 --> 0:16:00.881 if it wasn't Bernadette, it STI would have been someone else. 0:16:01.361 --> 0:16:04.801 I don't think that makes me think anything differently of Bernadette. 0:16:04.801 --> 0:16:07.601 I think think she had the ability to say something 0:16:07.921 --> 0:16:11.761 and stop all of this, and as did Shelby. They didn't, 0:16:12.241 --> 0:16:16.121 So there is much to blame. But if those two 0:16:16.121 --> 0:16:19.121 had never met Bernadette and Brittany, Brittany would have found 0:16:19.161 --> 0:16:20.801 someone else or did it by herself. 0:16:22.601 --> 0:16:25.921 In August of twenty sixteen, Bernadette and your sister Brittany 0:16:26.601 --> 0:16:32.881 leave Brisbane for Adelaide by car again. They took the 0:16:32.921 --> 0:16:37.761 same bag that Brittany had taken with Shelby in the 0:16:37.961 --> 0:16:44.601 April of that same year. Do you know what happened 0:16:44.681 --> 0:16:47.601 on the way down in that drive with Bernadette. 0:16:48.121 --> 0:16:52.921 A lot of conversations between them. I know that they 0:16:52.961 --> 0:16:56.321 were pretty much rushing to get down. They weren't doing 0:16:56.361 --> 0:16:59.321 a lot of stopping. There was indications that they were 0:16:59.361 --> 0:17:03.321 certainly on something to get there. 0:17:03.761 --> 0:17:07.080 You made drugs, yeah, keep them alert, speed or something. 0:17:07.201 --> 0:17:10.120 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I would have thought. 0:17:10.201 --> 0:17:13.601 And then again it was all very clear her intention. 0:17:14.001 --> 0:17:18.041 You know, they paid for cash for the petrol stations, 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.401 and they you know, they paid cash at the They 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.880 did stay at a motel. You know, they knew that 0:17:24.001 --> 0:17:28.041 they didn't want to be tracked, except they did have 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.001 one thing that was very much their undoing. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.721 But what was that thing? Their phone, both of their 0:17:34.721 --> 0:17:35.801 mobile phones. 0:17:35.561 --> 0:17:38.321 Yeah, ping to their locations, and they weren't shy of 0:17:38.441 --> 0:17:40.401 sending text messages, so. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.001 They were sending text messages while traveling from Brisbane to Adelaide. 0:17:44.441 --> 0:17:49.200 They were obviously very clear about what they need to 0:17:49.241 --> 0:17:51.121 do to stay off the radar, but then to have 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.120 the phone on them was little little ridiculous. 0:17:58.561 --> 0:18:01.880 You mentioned there were lots of conversations from the court docks. 0:18:01.961 --> 0:18:04.640 We learned that one of those conversations was a lot 0:18:04.681 --> 0:18:06.720 of stations around having second thoughts about it. 0:18:08.241 --> 0:18:14.681 I think, particularly when Brittany was in the house, was 0:18:14.721 --> 0:18:19.041 the most shocking one where she said I don't think 0:18:19.041 --> 0:18:22.841 I can go through with this, and then the return 0:18:23.120 --> 0:18:26.600 text message saying, you know, just harden up and do it. 0:18:27.241 --> 0:18:29.321 That text message is from Bernadare. 0:18:28.921 --> 0:18:30.840 Yeah in reply. 0:18:38.761 --> 0:18:42.840 What we do know is that this time your sister 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:51.081 hadn't planned just to rob your granddad. She had planned 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.600 this time to kill him, yeah, and make it look 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.561 like a robbery, like she'd told numerous people before she 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:02.801 got there. In court, it was also said that Bernadette 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.400 didn't think your sister would kill your granddad. She thought 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.321 that maybe they could get the money and get out 0:19:11.961 --> 0:19:14.640 and not have a problem. There was a lenience in 0:19:14.721 --> 0:19:17.761 Bernadette's sentence because of that. Yeah, how do you feel 0:19:17.761 --> 0:19:18.201 about that? 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:25.001 Angry? Because like outside of looking in anybody could see that, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.321 you get a message like the one Britney saying I 0:19:29.360 --> 0:19:33.321 can't and you reply do it. I don't care what 0:19:33.441 --> 0:19:37.680 anybody says. Clearly she knew what was going to happen, 0:19:37.801 --> 0:19:42.001 and she was egging Brittany on. The plan was set 0:19:42.041 --> 0:19:45.081 from the time that they left and to go. Oh, 0:19:45.120 --> 0:19:47.881 I don't think she went actually went through it load 0:19:47.921 --> 0:19:48.201 of ship. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.160 Who do you think was the controlling force in the 0:19:55.201 --> 0:19:57.240 relationship between Brittany and Bernadette. 0:19:57.281 --> 0:19:59.480 You know, it's funny. I've really gone back and forth 0:19:59.561 --> 0:20:04.080 in my head about this, and obviously, with the love 0:20:04.120 --> 0:20:08.201 of true crimes, people love to make up their own 0:20:08.321 --> 0:20:11.200 narratives and sort of play detective. I think a lot 0:20:11.241 --> 0:20:13.960 of people will tend to say it's Brittany, that she 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.161 was the controlling one, but I actually don't think that's 0:20:16.201 --> 0:20:20.001 the case. I think maybe at the beginning, sure, but 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.840 I think Bernadette had it, saw an opportunity and ran 0:20:23.921 --> 0:20:27.401 with it, and I think she was really controlling the narrative. 0:20:29.321 --> 0:20:32.321 So they arrive at your granddad's house in the morning 0:20:33.201 --> 0:20:36.321 after a really long drive from Brisbane straight through. They've 0:20:36.321 --> 0:20:39.480 obviously had some sort of drugs to keep them awake. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:41.840 Tell me what happens next. 0:20:43.921 --> 0:20:51.200 She and Bernadette were talking about how they'll go about this. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.201 So they pull up at the at my grandfather's house. 0:20:55.321 --> 0:20:56.721 And whose car are they in? 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.880 Their housemates the silver Captiva. So Brittany drove her hold 0:21:02.921 --> 0:21:07.121 an Astra and yeah, that was still in Brisbane. 0:21:06.761 --> 0:21:09.801 And the silver Captaver, I'm guessing has Queensland plates. 0:21:09.481 --> 0:21:13.880 On it it does. They pull up and they park 0:21:13.921 --> 0:21:17.481 out the front or in the side street. I actually 0:21:17.521 --> 0:21:21.961 think it was still in the side street. They were 0:21:22.001 --> 0:21:25.801 talking about how it's going to happen, and Bernadette said 0:21:25.921 --> 0:21:30.200 that she would like to come in and watch my 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:38.160 grandfather be killed, and Brittany said no, and that you 0:21:38.281 --> 0:21:41.520 were to wait in the car. And so Bernadette did 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:48.120 stay in the car doing a makeup and weird stuff 0:21:48.120 --> 0:21:50.880 like that to pass time. Brittany went to the front 0:21:50.921 --> 0:21:55.920 door and my grandfather came to the door and was 0:21:56.001 --> 0:21:57.561 surprised to see my sister. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.921 They hadn't arranged it. No, like your granddad had no idea, 0:22:03.001 --> 0:22:04.641 and I obviously knew your sister lived in. 0:22:05.281 --> 0:22:09.161 And so you know, mid morning, mid morning, and it 0:22:09.241 --> 0:22:12.360 was a bit odd for her to obviously do that. 0:22:12.481 --> 0:22:15.241 But like myself, I've done that in the past. I 0:22:15.281 --> 0:22:17.600 traveled a lot for work and so I happened to 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.041 be in Adelaide and I'd go and surprise him. So, 0:22:20.681 --> 0:22:23.241 you know, for her to do that, whilst she didn't 0:22:23.241 --> 0:22:26.801 really ever travel to Adelaide, it's not totally crazy that 0:22:26.801 --> 0:22:29.521 that would have happened. And so my grandfather was surprised 0:22:29.561 --> 0:22:32.441 but really happy about it, invited her in. 0:22:32.761 --> 0:22:36.921 He doesn't realize at the time that she's wearing gloves. No, 0:22:37.041 --> 0:22:39.801 and she's also got a knife with her. No, she's 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.921 hidden that from his view up personally. Yeah, so she's 0:22:42.921 --> 0:22:46.400 holding the knife in her jacket. Hidden't but she's wearing 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:48.200 gloves as well. What sort of gloves were they. 0:22:48.360 --> 0:22:50.561 I think they were just normal gloves. I don't think 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.001 they were. I think it was just so that would 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.880 look into gloves that might look a bit weird. But 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:56.880 we're talking August in. 0:22:56.921 --> 0:23:01.921 Adelaide, Yeah, which is cold cold, right, So so like nothing. 0:23:02.241 --> 0:23:05.281 Not crazy and she wore a lot of normally, she 0:23:05.321 --> 0:23:11.081 wore a lot of very baggy, oversized sweaters, hoodies, that 0:23:11.120 --> 0:23:14.400 sort of thing. So again, not totally uncommon. You know, 0:23:14.481 --> 0:23:17.120 if I had opened the door and saw her and gloves, yeah, 0:23:17.201 --> 0:23:21.201 probably a bit strange. But to my grandfather again because 0:23:21.201 --> 0:23:25.120 he didn't see a lot of each other, you know, 0:23:25.241 --> 0:23:26.481 not uncommon. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.521 So they walked down that long corridor past the front 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:37.920 room into the kitchen. In the kitchen there's a dining 0:23:37.961 --> 0:23:44.481 table and your granddad's cooking brecky, cooking breakfast. 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:49.001 I think prior to him starting to cook breakfast, he 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.721 went and got photo a photo album as he would 0:23:52.801 --> 0:23:57.041 always and start flicking through photos while he was cooking breakfast. 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.360 Brittany would go through the photos of like our family 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:04.321 growing up and whatnot. And then yeah, they he finished 0:24:04.360 --> 0:24:07.200 having cooking breakfast, and they sat down and they ate 0:24:07.241 --> 0:24:11.200 it together and then back on the couch and flicking 0:24:11.201 --> 0:24:13.080 through photos for quite some time. 0:24:14.201 --> 0:24:17.721 So this seems very normal. This seems like a granddaughter 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.920 going to see her poppaea sitting in the kitchen. Grandad's 0:24:21.961 --> 0:24:27.761 making brecky. After a long drive for Brittany reminiscing about 0:24:28.041 --> 0:24:34.761 photos of great times together, probably remembering, as you said earlier, 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.321 the lineage of your family and how important that was 0:24:38.360 --> 0:24:43.001 to your granddad. Yeah, and then what happens. 0:24:43.921 --> 0:24:48.600 That's when she sends the text message to Bernadade to say, like, 0:24:48.921 --> 0:24:52.521 I can't go through with this. And that's when Bernadette 0:24:52.521 --> 0:24:55.481 replied and said, you know, harden up and just get 0:24:55.481 --> 0:25:01.281 it done. So Brittany says, I've got to go, and 0:25:01.441 --> 0:25:05.600