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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel

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Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: That's me story checks out and every week we pull

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Speaker 2: apart the main yarns that are getting Australia all hot

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Speaker 2: under the collar. And this week it's that old doozy

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Speaker 2: the penny that keeps coming back. Is Australia a racist country?

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Speaker 2: A big warm shout out to Laura Tingle. We are

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Speaker 2: going to get right into it, right in among the

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Speaker 2: weeds of what it was that the ABC's chief political

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Speaker 2: correspondent said at the Sydney Writers Festival, Where it came from,

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Speaker 2: what was the point of it and is it true.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to find out what is Direction ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: which has surely got to be the most ominous government

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Speaker 2: order since well you know the one I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, Execute Order sixty six.

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Speaker 2: Also, did you know we have just been formally endorsed

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Speaker 2: by Media Watch. Well kind of get to that too.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Immigration Minister, Andrew Giles, if indeed

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Speaker 2: he is still the Immigration Minister by the time you

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Speaker 2: hear this. Andrew Giles, as everybody knows, has had an

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Speaker 2: absolutely stellar first term as a Minister of the Crown,

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Speaker 2: he has been in the newspapers almost constantly, which as

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Speaker 2: a minister is usually a great thing if you're doing

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Speaker 2: your job and getting stuff done, but in his case

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Speaker 2: is all about the staff that he's not getting done,

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Speaker 2: including of course the release of dozens and dozens of

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Speaker 2: criminal detainees who got out of detention due to a

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Speaker 2: High Court order that the Judge of the High Court

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Speaker 2: actually flagged was most likely going to happen. It then

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Speaker 2: turned out that Andrew Giles and the Government didn't actually

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Speaker 2: have a plan for that happening, despite them being told

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Speaker 2: this is going to happen, right, you guys are ready

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Speaker 2: for this. And in the six months since that has

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Speaker 2: happened and they have done nothing about it. They have

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Speaker 2: done nothing about it to stop it from happening again,

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Speaker 2: to the point where many of the people released have

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Speaker 2: allegedly or otherwise reoffended. And it now appears that a

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Speaker 2: direction that Andrew Giles gave in the first part of

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Speaker 2: last year is being used by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal

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Speaker 2: to keep other criminals in Australia even after they have

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Speaker 2: committed the most heinous crimes. I'm talking about rape killing,

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Speaker 2: domestic violence. They are being released because of something called

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Speaker 2: direction ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: This was a visa that was canceled and remained canceled

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Speaker 1: by my department in line with Ministerial Direction ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: under Ministerial Direction ninety nine, Ministerial Direction ninety nine, Direction

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, Direction ninety nine, Direction ninety nine, Ministeral Direction

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, Direction ninety nine in line with Ministerial Direction

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Speaker 1: ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: So that was Andrew Giles in question time, defending himself

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Speaker 2: over case after case of foreign criminals who couldn't be

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Speaker 2: deported because of Direction ninety nine. And again, this is

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Speaker 2: the direction that he invented that made it harder for

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Speaker 2: criminals to be deported if they had strong ties to Australia.

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Speaker 2: So even when the Minister himself tries to deport them,

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Speaker 2: the Administrative Appeals Tribunal overturns the minister's decision based on

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Speaker 2: the minister's own direction. You're keeping up, But why call

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Speaker 2: something direction ninety nine in the first place. Direction ninety

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Speaker 2: nine does sound very sinister. In fact, it sounds kind

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Speaker 4: The time has come execute Order sixty six.

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Speaker 2: But I digress. The point is Direction ninety nine was

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Speaker 2: something come up with by Immigration Minister Andrew Giles before

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Speaker 2: the detainee debacle that said, before you deported someone from Australia,

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Speaker 2: community ties. And this has then been used by the

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Speaker 2: Administrative Appeals Tribunal to keep people who have done horrendous

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Speaker 2: him stay. Even leaving all that aside, the Minister for

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Speaker 2: to overturn his own decisions. Another great lilian I came

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Speaker 2: across this week was in the day Daly mail which

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Speaker 2: accused our Prime Minister Anthony Alberanzi of being out of

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Speaker 4: I understand that Australians are doing it tough right now,

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Speaker 4: and I certainly haven't forgotten what it's like to struggle

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Speaker 4: to wonder if you'll get the opportunity to pursue your aspirations.

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Speaker 4: That's my life story and the life story of so

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Speaker 2: Now. I love the Daily Mail. It was a great

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Speaker 2: little gotcha. PM eating lobster is almost as good as

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Speaker 2: PM spending half a billion dollars on private jets. And

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that later. But the point is that

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Speaker 2: the PM actually does, unlike most pms, know what it's

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Speaker 2: like to do it tough. We all know he grew

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Speaker 2: And so what is actually wrong with him saying that

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Speaker 2: he knows what it's like to do it tough when

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Speaker 2: he has done it tough and he knows what it's like. Well,

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Speaker 2: apparently it's a big surprise to a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that our Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi isn't living in a

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Speaker 2: and yes he gets paid a fair whack of money,

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Speaker 2: probably more than you r I, definitely more than I.

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Speaker 2: And he got a couple of nice houses too, one

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Speaker 2: in Sydney. Been there a couple of times. It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: They always ask me to leave. Still, Albo's the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Yes he's going to go out with rich Peace, Yes

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Speaker 2: he's going to have fancy lunches. Yes he still knows

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Speaker 2: what it's like to do it tough. And I know

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Speaker 2: what it's like to do it tough as well, because

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Speaker 2: I grew up poor. I grew up with a single

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Speaker 1: Not me.

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Speaker 2: I have to keep clarifying, the point being you can

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Speaker 2: actually get out of those situations and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: So I just don't understand this whole thing where we

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Speaker 2: expect our prime minister to support aspirational voters and support

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Speaker 2: That's the great Australian dream. That's a great migrant dream,

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Speaker 2: that's the great working class dream. And yet when you've

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Speaker 2: we say, oh see he doesn't know. Look, he's out

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Speaker 2: of touch. He's elitist and out to touch. At least

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Speaker 2: And again, as nevill Rand said, the whole point of

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Speaker 5: Say to people, hey, come on down, the weather's fine.

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Speaker 5: You want to say, no, we're gonna get out, and

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Speaker 5: we're gonna help you get out. We're going to make

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Speaker 5: a beautiful thing in Australia called aspiration, a wonderful, wonderful thing.

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Speaker 5: And maybe, just maybe, if you get it, you can

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Speaker 5: get your own set of Boeing seven three sevens.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It turns out you can't even buy yourself

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Speaker 2: a couple of Boeing seven three sevens these days without

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Speaker 2: what Albo found out when it turned out that the

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Speaker 2: government had purchased two Boeing seven three sevens for official

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Speaker 2: all for a whopping four hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I reckon, that's a bit of

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Speaker 2: them for an absolute steal. Always say you've got to

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Speaker 2: government was actually going to lease to aircraft for five

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars for twelve years, and then

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Speaker 2: they just rust apart on the runway. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: that's the sort of bargain that my mum would be

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Speaker 2: proud of. Our family motto was never pay full retail,

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Speaker 2: although she did shoplift batteries. And this is the point

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Speaker 2: that so many people seem to either miss or willfully

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Speaker 2: ignore about this story. The government is actually saving money.

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Speaker 2: Unless you want the PM to wander around on an

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Speaker 2: going to need a plane and so he might as

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Speaker 2: well get the best value for money plane that the

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Speaker 2: government can get. And that is what I tried to

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Speaker 2: for my old friend Paul Barry on Media.

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Speaker 6: Watch, as The Australian noted, but almost no one else did.

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Speaker 6: Buying the planes had actually reduced the bill for taxpayers

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Speaker 6: because the cost of leasing them had blown out.

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Speaker 2: Due to foreign exchange movements and was due to hit

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Speaker 6: Appoint that Joe Hildebrand, who did read the article, was

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Speaker 2: That was actually cheaper to buy these two jets at

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Speaker 2: jet jest UTCHJBT. Yes, that's right, Media Watch, just real

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Speaker 2: storied the real story set your watchers, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: because yet another high for lutint type has accused Australia

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Speaker 2: of being racist. This time it was, of course, Laura Tingle,

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Speaker 2: who is the August Chief Political correspondent for the August

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Speaker 2: seven point thirty program on the August Australian Broadcasting Corporation,

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Speaker 2: and she told the Sydney Writers Festival a few days

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Speaker 2: ago her thoughts on Peter Dutton's budget reply. Have a

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Speaker 2: listen for a major political.

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Speaker 7: Leader to be saying, you know everything that's going wrong

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Speaker 7: in this country is because of migrants. And you know

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Speaker 7: this sudden flash of people turn out to try to

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Speaker 7: rent a property or at an auction and they look

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Speaker 7: a bit different. What have you defined different as that?

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Speaker 7: Basically he has given them license to be abused. I

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Speaker 7: mean we are a racist, fulet's face it. We always

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Speaker 7: have been and it's pretty depressing. But to give license

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Speaker 7: like that I find profoundly depressing.

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Speaker 2: So there you have it. By listening to Peter Dunnan's

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Speaker 2: budget reply and then imagining a racist scenario in her head,

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Speaker 2: Laura Tingle has decided that Australia is and always has

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Speaker 2: been a racist country, But which Australia do she means?

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Speaker 2: Was it the people in the room with her? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know that Sydney Ryder's festival is whiter than a

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Speaker 2: polar bear and a snowstorm, But that's no way to

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Speaker 2: speak to your crowd, Laura, Come on, was it the

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Speaker 2: panel itself? From what I could gather, it was four people,

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Speaker 2: one of whom identified as Indigenous and the other three

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Speaker 2: of whom were well, I don't know how to put

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Speaker 2: this white. That seems to me a pretty blancmange representation

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Speaker 2: of a multicultural country that has a huge percentage of

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Speaker 2: maybe it was just the people out of the room

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Speaker 2: those others well, Laura Tingle didn't really say She just

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows the sky is blue, and according to a

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Speaker 2: know what another racist country is? All of them? Yes,

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Speaker 2: very strong supporter of this referendum campaign. I was a

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Speaker 2: Everything's okay. But we did get a window into how

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Speaker 2: very very sorry to say Marsha Langton have listened to

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Speaker 2: So there you have it, yet again, evil Peter Dutton

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Speaker 2: It wasn't because the campaign was the most dysfunctional and

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Speaker 2: And it goes on and on Banks sixty one point

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Speaker 2: that note, it's time for me to leave you. Thanks

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