WEBVTT - Sharri | 10 July 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.239 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:10.480 This is Sharry Good Evening massive show tonight, breaking news 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.040 that a woman from Gaza brought into Australia last year 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.320 has been detained in dawn raids and deemed a security 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:23.160 risk by AZIO. This unfolding story in a moment. Can 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.800 Australians trust labor to back today's plan to combat anti Semitism? 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.680 Jillian Siegel joins me live on the show tonight. SODA's 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.080 shadow Attorney General Julian Lisa. Also on the show, Treasurer 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.599 Jim Chalmers seeking special powers to tax more people. That's 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.440 according to economics correspondent Matt Cranston. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.840 He has the details. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:50.360 Plus, is Wimbledon not exciting enough for star actor Hugh Grant. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:55.000 It's all coming up for first tonight. Today's landmark anti 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.960 Semitism report from special En Jillian Siegel has recommended stripping 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.600 funding from universities which spread anti Semitism and working with 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:09.800 the public broadcasters to promote social cohesion. It has nine 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.760 of the fifteen recommendations from our Sky News Anti Semitism Summit, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:20.600 including screening immigrants for anti Semitic views, stripping arts bodies 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.959 and festivals of government grants if they condone hate and 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.080 embedding anti Semitism in the school curriculum. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.840 The plan is not about special treatment for one community. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.200 It is about restoring equal treatment. And the plan's not 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.080 about words. It is about actions by government, by regulators, 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.640 by business, by universities, and by institutions. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.880 Alban Easy today welcomed this report, said he'd engage with it, 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.880 but he stopped short of endorsing it. In fact, he 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:59.680 didn't explicitly support a single recommendation, and he brushed off questions. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:00.520 About what he did commit to. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.960 Albanizi would only say that he'd consider them carefully. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:11.520 Will now carefully consider the report recommendation. There's a number 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.520 of things in here that we are doing as a 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.720 number of things can be implemented quickly. There are a 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.519 number of things that will require work over a period 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:21.000 of time. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.520 And he never did say what the things are that 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.839 he feels can be implemented quickly. He could have also 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.280 said that he endorsed Julian Siegel's plan and would support 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.639 its implementation, but he didn't say that. But his comments 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:40.079 are at least an improvement from his position after our 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.960 Anti Semitism summit, when he refused to consider any of 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:48.560 the recommendations we put forward, now he officially has to 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:53.000 consider them. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke was also specifically 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.680 asked if these recommendations would be put in place within 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.000 the year, and he was noncommittal. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.520 When we talk about funding being withdrawn over anti semitism, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.720 can we see that happening to arts bodies universities within 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:08.119 the year. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.600 There are these issues get taken into account in different 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:18.760 ways already by Creative Australia, and there are different principles 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.760 that are expected in the cultural policy that already go 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.120 to some of this. So to say will you see 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:29.320 examples of it within a year, I think you will 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.640 be able to. If you go back, you'll find we 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.160 don't announce the ones we don't fund if I put 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:36.080 it in those terms. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.960 So as you heard there, Tony Burke said, Creative Australia 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.280 was already taking anti Semitism into account. But this can't 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.320 possibly be true with the organizations that employ the hate 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:54.520 preachers all receiving ongoing funding. I've done entire programs reports 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:55.480 on this problem. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:56.840 So if Tony. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.920 Burke's attitude is that they're already doing this, well, I 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.560 have little hope their responses today, we're far from ideal again. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.560 Neither the Prime Minister nor Tony Burke have committed to 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:15.720 implementing Jillian Siegel's recommendations, and Jewish leaders today including Alex Ripchen, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.440 Colin Rubinstein and Jeremy Liebler, all said that this report 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.960 has to be met with comprehensive action and enforcement. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.400 Prime Minister is correct in saying that it's not merely 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.039 for him to implement, but at the same time, the 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.960 federal government has a key role to play, both in 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.960 terms of implementing the sections that are for it to implement, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.800 but also setting a tone throughout society, state governments, various 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.520 institutions to basically set the tone and lead and say, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.640 this is the plan to rescue our country from the 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.600 scourge of racism Director Jewish Australians, that is titush our 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.160 intationally im into this fracturing our society, that is diminishing 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.640 our democracy in our freedoms and set that expectation. I 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.240 think that's critical and. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:05.800 That's exactly right. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.520 The Prime Minister needs to endorse this report, give it 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:14.000 the authority so that university leaders, state governments and cultural 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.760 institutions get on board and make the required changes. The 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.320 Israeli ambassador and me and Maimon also echoed this sentiment. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.680 He said the real test now lies in swift and 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:32.040 effective implementation. And by the way, Opposition leader Susan Lee 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.200 hasn't committed to this report either giving the same line 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.960 as Albanezi or a similar line that shall take the 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.359 time to go through the report. I'll ask Julian Lisa 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.200 about this when he's on the show a bit later, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.640 but I know I can tell you that Peter Dutton 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.640 would have read it and immediately committed to it. The 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:53.039 Coalition under Dutton, including James Patterson in the senior policy 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.440 leadership role, wholeheartedly committed to our summit outcomes. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.800 But it's not all bad news. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.200 Were some positives from today's press conference. Albinisi and Burke 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.560 spoke more forcefully about anti Semitism than they have in 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:10.120 the past. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.160 This is something that government needs to work with civil 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:20.120 society on at all levels and each and every day, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.760 and every week, and every month and every year to 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.919 make sure that any Semitism is pushed to the margins, 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.279 to the fringes of extremism where it doesn't belong. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.040 And he also spoke about the pro Palestinian protesters who 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.920 crashed the Melbourne restaurant on Friday night, and albin Esi 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.160 described it as criminal behavior. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:50.160 I saw on the ABC the other night a woman 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:57.880 who participated in the trashing and violence that occurred at 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:05.400 the restaurant in Melbourne justifying that, justifying it. There is 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:14.080 no justification for that whatsoever. And what's more, the idea 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:21.600 that somehow the cause of justice for Palestinians is advanced 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:30.080 by behavior like that is not only delusional, it is destructive. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.680 And I was surprised to see Tony Burke also speak 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.240 strongly about anti Semitism. He spoke about how Jewish arts 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.720 workers shouldn't have to worry about being canceled by a venue, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.240 or about graffiti attacks and Jewish school uniforms. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:52.160 Here he was we want people to be safe and 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:57.400 to feel safe. Being safe and feeling safe is something 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.800 which antisemitism flies in the face of. And while we 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.640 might think of this only in terms of some of 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.480 the more dramatic violent incidents which we've seen, feeling safe 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.040 and being safe goes deeper than that. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.520 So this is great, But the question is why the 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.840 sudden change in tone and can we trust that they're 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:22.840 going to act now? 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.960 Which is the crucial point. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.880 Now, there was only one decent question at today's press conference, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.120 and it came from the Jewish news journalist Carli Adno, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.920 and she raised this point precisely, said. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.520 The Jewish community has been experiencing these anti Semitic attacks 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.720 for closity years. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.600 Now, why is it, Why is it. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.640 That it took another arson attack on a synagogue to 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:50.559 adopt some of. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:55.400 These Well, it didn't. It's the answer to that. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:56.240 It didn't. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.840 Well, good on Carly for asking that in important question. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.800 Albanizi was defensive and Julian Siegul stepped in to defend him. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:07.760 But this is the point. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:13.360 Albanizi has done nothing but sit back and watch as 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.760 hatred fested under his leadership. He's made our country a 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.640 dangerous and unsafe place and. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.359 It's utterly unforgivable. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.800 And of course, Albinizi couldn't let the press conference go 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.479 without taking some more digs at Israel. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:35.840 And regarding legitimate criticism of Israel. As you'd be aware, 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.720 I have released statements with other leaders that have been 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.000 critical of the actions of the net Yahoo government. I 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:49.000 will continue to put forward a position that is consistent 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:56.839 with the position that we have taken on the Middle East. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:02.600 But you can put forward those views respectfully. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.160 And his only criticism of the Palestinians was not that 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.880 they voted for Hamas or that some took part in 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.400 the October seven attacks, just that the Palestinian authority hasn't 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:14.240 had elections. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:20.960 Criticism of Israel is legitimate, as is criticism of the 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.440 Palestinian authority and their failure to have democratic elections and 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.599 some of the corruption that has occurred. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:33.599 He didn't even criticize the Palestinian authority for funding terrorism. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.600 It has, as you probably know, a pay for sleigh policy. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.560 This means they give a salary to the families of 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.760 martyrs terrorists for life. This is an official government policy 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.880 that supports pays. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.040 For terrorism against Israel. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.360 But back to the Anti Semitism Plan, it is a 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.679 strong report and the bulk of our sky News Anti 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.480 Semitism Summit outcomes are included within a plan. In fact, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.959 nine of our fifteen outcomes are included in today's report, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.320 and they are a permanent policing cooperation between state and 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:15.000 federal governments to investigate threats and incidents and links to terrorism, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:21.080 embedding Holocaust and antisemitism education in the curriculum. A judicial 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.040 inquiry into antisemitism on campus, although Jullian Siegel says she'll 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:26.280 wait for the end. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.360 Of the year to see if this is needed. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.040 The investigation and disclosure of foreign funding to universities which 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:38.160 might drive extremist ideologies. Government grants to festivals and cultural 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:44.360 institutions should have terms of conditions that the recipient doesn't promote, facilitate, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:49.480 or deal or promote facilitate antisemitism, and that they also 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:54.520 deal effectively with it. Remove the deductible gift recipient status 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.439 from any charitable institution that promotes speakers or. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.520 Engagers in anti semotism. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:06.160 Also screen visa applicants for antisemitic views or affiliations, and 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:11.240 ensure that the Migration Act effectively facilitates visa refusals or 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:16.880 cancelations for antisemitic conduct, and retric antisemitism training for those 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:21.079 who are involved in processing the visa applications to make 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:26.800 sure they can assess antisemitism. Encourage Australian cultural institutions like 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.800 festivals to re engage with Jewish creatives and members of 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.560 the community. And those are the nine that crossed over 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.760 with our report. Now Jillian Siegel's report states that if 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:43.320 threats escalate, she'd recommend emergency coordination measures, including a standing 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.920 joint Task FORSS and potential national security declarations. And this 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.199 was the first recommendation from Alex Ripchen's list at our summit, 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.040 to declare a national emergency and establish a joint counter 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.640 Terror Task FORSS to mobilize all the relevant agencies to 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.640 gather in the fight against this hate before we have 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:04.400 a major. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.360 Terror attack in the country. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.480 But Jillian Siegul's report goes further with some new ideas 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.320 bold ideas. She wants to work with platforms to reduce 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.920 the presence or influence of bots that deliberately soew social 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.400 discord and to reduce the reach of those who pedal 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.240 hate behind a veil of anonymity, So that's a social 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:31.360 media recommendation. She also says she'll work with the publicly 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.440 funded broadcasters, the ABC and SBS to encourage them to 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.560 develop programs that add to social cohesion, and the one 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.640 that's generated all the headlines today, she suggested withholding government 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:49.880 funding from universities, programs or individuals within universities that facilitate, enable, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.920 or fail to act against anti semitism and as you know, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.120 that was what United States President Donald Trump has done. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.080 He's stripped funding from the likes of Harvard Universe. Now 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.840 I fully support this idea. We didn't suggest such a 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.640 move at our summit because it's unrealistic to think that 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.920 Albanezi would actually implement it. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.920 I mean, there's no world in which. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.560 The Prime Minister, who hasn't lifted a finger to deal 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.360 with the rampant anti Semitism at campuses, which has been 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.840 going on for nearly two years now, is suddenly going 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.640 to strip them of their funding over due hatred. You'll 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.720 never do it. He's no Donald Trump. Unfortunately. My only 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.560 criticism with the report. I think it's an excellent report. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.840 I commend Jillian Siegel for it. My only criticism with 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.800 it is that Siegel has worded many of the recommendations 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.480 so that the onus is on the envoy to implement 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:49.040 them rather than the government or the institutions alone. It's 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.040 an ambitious and strong document, as Jillian Siegel says. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.960 And it's not a symbolic document. It's an action plan, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:04.240 and it addresses antisemitism in many places in our laws, classrooms, universities, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:10.280 media workplaces, online spaces, and public institutions, and it calls 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.920 on government and society or leaders to support the initiatives. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.920 So she deals with anti Semitism in many different spaces, 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:24.040 but she puts the onus on herself to solve the problem, 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.240 to work with the social media companies, for example, instead 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.280 of saying this is what's needed and then allowing the 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.200 relevant minister to work with the social media companies. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:35.800 And in my view it's. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.040 Objectively far too much work for one individual and her team, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.040 and it would be more successful if the objectives were 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.960 not all the sole responsibility of the envoy. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.120 Or Jewish groups to implement. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.280 And yes, it is Seagel's report, but Albinizi says she's 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.320 his advisor on anti Semitism and this is the blueprint, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.560 this is the action plan the federal government is working from. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.440 So there should be more onus on specifically what it 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:09.320 can do, independently of her involvement. Because this is an 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.720 urgent crisis. We need immediate action, we need it yesterday. 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.680 And I'm worried the Prime Minister will use this report 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.920 as cover when the next violent attack happens, as we 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.400 know it will, Albanezi will simply say he's working with 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.720 the Envoy on the Anti Semitism Action Plan, and right 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.000 now it's all smoke and mirrors. He's had the report 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.040 for a full week before today's press conference, yet he 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.600 still couldn't bring himself to commit to a single idea 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:47.240 in it. How much longer must Jews weight to feel safe, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.920 Prime Minister? How many more attacks and abuse must Jews suffer? 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.960 When when Prime Minister, will you finally do the right thing? 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.640 And just to add to that, neither Alban Easy or 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.200 Tony Burke would come on my show tonight or any night, 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.800 despite the fact that this is about anti Semitism and 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.400 I'm the only Jewish television news host in the country. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.320 Now a massive show tonight, Julian Siegel, the Special Envoy 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.120 coming up, plus shadow at Toney, General Julian Lisa later 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:27.400 this hour, and Economics correspondent Matt Cranston. But first, let's 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.240 get to this breaking news about the woman from Gaza 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.960 who's been detained in dawn raids today. For more, let's 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.400 bring in National Senator Matt Canavan and Daily Telegraph journalist 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:39.880 James Willis. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:44.240 Welcome to you both. Now, this raid, this. 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:50.160 Woman being detained, has prompted a snap rally outside Tony 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.280 Burke's office tonight. She's a sixty one year old woman 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.840 from Gaza. Her home is in western Sydney. She was 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.520 raided this morning. She's been deemed a security reesk under 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.880 character grounds by AZO. This is according to the Daily Telegraph, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.200 which broke this story just a little while ago. James, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.439 starting with you on this because you're at the paper 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:11.560 that broke this story. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.359 What more can you tell us? 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.440 Well, Sharry, there's a lot that we're still working through 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.680 on this. But the story that's gone up this afternoon 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.520 from Lachland Leaming and Tom Sargan, as you say, a 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.560 sixty one year old grandmother from Gaza. There was a 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.600 dawn rate at Bankstown by ASIO. She's been taken to 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:33.199 Villawood Immigration Detention Center. The bridging visa canceled because of 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.720 failing the character test. What is what is alleged and 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.280 there's basically a little bit more information that talks about 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.240 the fact that this character that she did not pass 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.679 this character test. Now what's interesting is, as we know 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.800 there were a number of Palestinian people that were evacuated 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.800 from Gaza and there were some snap visas provided. From 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.520 what I can read and what we understand, we're not 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.760 sure if this lady is part of that. There's a 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.399 suggestion that she was visiting people in Saudi Ray and 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.800 then wasn't allowed to go back to Palestine after that 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.480 or Gaza after that, So it's a tricky one. Asio 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.160 are keeping quiet on this. But off the back of it, 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.399 which I find very interesting is the fact that you 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.160 have dozens of people that have gathered at Tony Burke's office. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.399 There's a big sign with what appears to be blood 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.680 on it. They were saying they were refusing to leave 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.439 until this woman was released, saying she's done nothing wrong. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.240 So it's a very tense situation unfolding Sydney Southwest this afternoon. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.240 And Matt Canavan, this was always going to be the 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.720 issue with the government rushing through visas with limited security checks. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:38.280 We just don't know what level of security checks were 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.480 done in this instance. We don't know what sort of 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.240 visa she was given. The telegraphs reporting that she arrived 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.520 here from Gaza though last year Tony Burke has said 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.199 previously that he wouldn't send anyone back to Gaza. So 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.040 this is now going to be very complicated for the government. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.480 It probably will be Shari's. James has said, we don't 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.840 really know all of the details of this specific case, 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:07.160 but this general issue has been there since the government 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.600 ram through the approval of a bunch of visas from 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.399 people from Gaza. Now, on their own admission, they couldn't 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.720 do the normal character tests on the ground. Obviously that 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.320 couldn't happen in the middle of a war zone, and 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.560 the government effectively imported a huge security risk to our country. 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:24.920 Now. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.479 I feel for many of the people in Gaza that 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.840 have had their lives turned upside down, some of them innocently, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.439 but we have to of course protect the security of 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.399 our own country first, and when taking refugees, we have 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.720 to have the ability to check and secure our interests. Now, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.920 as I say, I don't know enough about this case enough. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.639 It's an example here, but clearly there was an importation 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.760 of a risk and unnecessary risk last year the government 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.679 presided over and I hope just now the government stays strong. 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:53.560 If this is true, this person here is on a 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.919 bridging visa. On a visa, the Australian government has every 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.920 right to revoke that visa and return her, if possible, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.480 deport her from this country, just like we refuse Kanye West, 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.920 We're refused Titating coming to this country. We control our borders. 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.680 We can also refuse an activist from the Middle East 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.200 who may be a risk to the austrained people's safety. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.439 The issue is, of course, that she's already here and 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.000 it just makes it so complicated for what the government's 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:19.359 going to do. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:20.920 All right, let's turn to. 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.919 This exclusive story in the City Morning Herald that Australia 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.120 could pay more for submarines under the Orchest deal. Now, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.840 James Patterson has said that the Albanese government needs to step. 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.240 In and take control of this Orcht review that's going 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:36.960 on now. 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.600 James, the broad issue here is that Albanze could lose 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.320 Orcus altogether because he's just not engaging successfully with the 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:45.199 Trump administration. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.480 Well, firstly, as we know, there's a lot to do 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.400 on the relationship between the Albanese government and the Trump administration. 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.520 We've heard the stories about Kevin Rubb this week. I 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.840 think that is still a big problem. I note Barnaby 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.520 Joyce's called force some hard action there and Trump to 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.680 rud to be moved on. And I'm starting to think 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.920 that if there is a problem there, then it needs 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.400 to be addressed, and if it's impacting our relationship, then 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.760 something we'll have to give there eventually. On the wider issue, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.359 I'm not that concerned because I realized that, yes, this 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.040 is a lot of money. We're talking about more than 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.800 three hundred billion dollars, but because of the alliance, it's 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.359 the kind of thing with defense defense things blow out. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.440 There's some concerns here initially that it might be one 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:27.760 contribution as part of the plan, which works out to 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.440 be about five billion dollars in regards to jobs or manufacturing. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.840 So I'm not too concerned just yet, and I know 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.919 these projects blow out, but the wider relationship is deeply 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:38.040 problematic at the moment. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.760 Matt it does seem like there are now rocky widers. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.119 As part of this story, it suggests that the US 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:49.720 might also demand that Australia commit to using these submarines 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.800 on America's side if there is a conflict with China. 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.480 What do you think about this, look. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.359 I'd be concerned about such a provision, shar Area. I 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.480 think we must maintain our own country sovereignty. Obviously, we 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.960 have agreements with the United States that if they are attacked, 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.720 our alloy is attacked, we are already committed to help 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.480 defend them. We activated that after September eleventh. Obviously, the 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.680 situation in Taiwan, though, is not US territory, and we'd 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:22.280 be an additional obligation placed on Australia, so I'd be 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.520 wary about that. But this, to me does underline the 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.880 fact that we have probably put way too much pressure 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.240 and burden on the orcust agreement. I'd love to see 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.879 us get those nuclear submarines. It is very important, But 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:40.000 I think we've pursued that while and used that as 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.320 a shield to avoid hard questions about why we aren't 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.879 developing guided weapons, were developing cookbooks but not guided weapons, 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.800 why we're developing, why we're not developing drone technologies. All 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.560 these other things have to be prioritized now, just for 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.960 the case that we maybe orcast doesn't happen, we have 0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:01.600 to diversify our military prepared away from just one agreement. 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.119 Hmmm, No, one hundred percent agree with that. 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:04.959 Now. 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.800 Opposition leader Susan Lee has done a glam shoot with 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.560 The Women's Weekly where she's spoken about what seems to 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.240 be quite an unusual, maybe even far fetched story. She 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.480 claims she was on the road in central New South 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:21.480 Wales years ago, when she had pulled over for the night, 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:27.040 setting up her swag before a motorbike drove over. The 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.959 story says that Lee said she then pulled out a 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:33.879 semi automatic rifle bought legally from a Quibian gun shop 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.160 and told the rider, I'm here with my tall, skinny mate, 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:42.800 attributing the line to an unidentified movie from US action 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:50.040 star Clint Eastward James, I don't know. I struggle to 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.399 imagine a scenario in which a young woman would be 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.520