Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening massive show tonight, breaking news
Speaker 2: that a woman from Gaza brought into Australia last year
Speaker 2: has been detained in dawn raids and deemed a security
Speaker 2: risk by AZIO. This unfolding story in a moment. Can
Speaker 2: Australians trust labor to back today's plan to combat anti Semitism?
Speaker 2: Jillian Siegel joins me live on the show tonight. SODA's
Speaker 2: shadow Attorney General Julian Lisa. Also on the show, Treasurer
Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers seeking special powers to tax more people. That's
Speaker 2: according to economics correspondent Matt Cranston.
Speaker 3: He has the details.
Speaker 2: Plus, is Wimbledon not exciting enough for star actor Hugh Grant.
Speaker 2: It's all coming up for first tonight. Today's landmark anti
Speaker 2: Semitism report from special En Jillian Siegel has recommended stripping
Speaker 2: funding from universities which spread anti Semitism and working with
Speaker 2: the public broadcasters to promote social cohesion. It has nine
Speaker 2: of the fifteen recommendations from our Sky News Anti Semitism Summit,
Speaker 2: including screening immigrants for anti Semitic views, stripping arts bodies
Speaker 2: and festivals of government grants if they condone hate and
Speaker 2: embedding anti Semitism in the school curriculum.
Speaker 4: The plan is not about special treatment for one community.
Speaker 4: It is about restoring equal treatment. And the plan's not
Speaker 4: about words. It is about actions by government, by regulators,
Speaker 4: by business, by universities, and by institutions.
Speaker 2: Alban Easy today welcomed this report, said he'd engage with it,
Speaker 2: but he stopped short of endorsing it. In fact, he
Speaker 2: didn't explicitly support a single recommendation, and he brushed off questions.
Speaker 3: About what he did commit to.
Speaker 2: Albanizi would only say that he'd consider them carefully.
Speaker 5: Will now carefully consider the report recommendation. There's a number
Speaker 5: of things in here that we are doing as a
Speaker 5: number of things can be implemented quickly. There are a
Speaker 5: number of things that will require work over a period
Speaker 5: of time.
Speaker 2: And he never did say what the things are that
Speaker 2: he feels can be implemented quickly. He could have also
Speaker 2: said that he endorsed Julian Siegel's plan and would support
Speaker 2: its implementation, but he didn't say that. But his comments
Speaker 2: are at least an improvement from his position after our
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism summit, when he refused to consider any of
Speaker 2: the recommendations we put forward, now he officially has to
Speaker 2: consider them. Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke was also specifically
Speaker 2: asked if these recommendations would be put in place within
Speaker 2: the year, and he was noncommittal.
Speaker 6: When we talk about funding being withdrawn over anti semitism,
Speaker 6: can we see that happening to arts bodies universities within
Speaker 6: the year.
Speaker 7: There are these issues get taken into account in different
Speaker 7: ways already by Creative Australia, and there are different principles
Speaker 7: that are expected in the cultural policy that already go
Speaker 7: to some of this. So to say will you see
Speaker 7: examples of it within a year, I think you will
Speaker 7: be able to. If you go back, you'll find we
Speaker 7: don't announce the ones we don't fund if I put
Speaker 7: it in those terms.
Speaker 2: So as you heard there, Tony Burke said, Creative Australia
Speaker 2: was already taking anti Semitism into account. But this can't
Speaker 2: possibly be true with the organizations that employ the hate
Speaker 2: preachers all receiving ongoing funding. I've done entire programs reports
Speaker 2: on this problem.
Speaker 3: So if Tony.
Speaker 2: Burke's attitude is that they're already doing this, well, I
Speaker 2: have little hope their responses today, we're far from ideal again.
Speaker 2: Neither the Prime Minister nor Tony Burke have committed to
Speaker 2: implementing Jillian Siegel's recommendations, and Jewish leaders today including Alex Ripchen,
Speaker 2: Colin Rubinstein and Jeremy Liebler, all said that this report
Speaker 2: has to be met with comprehensive action and enforcement.
Speaker 8: Prime Minister is correct in saying that it's not merely
Speaker 8: for him to implement, but at the same time, the
Speaker 8: federal government has a key role to play, both in
Speaker 8: terms of implementing the sections that are for it to implement,
Speaker 8: but also setting a tone throughout society, state governments, various
Speaker 8: institutions to basically set the tone and lead and say,
Speaker 8: this is the plan to rescue our country from the
Speaker 8: scourge of racism Director Jewish Australians, that is titush our
Speaker 8: intationally im into this fracturing our society, that is diminishing
Speaker 8: our democracy in our freedoms and set that expectation. I
Speaker 8: think that's critical and.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister needs to endorse this report, give it
Speaker 2: the authority so that university leaders, state governments and cultural
Speaker 2: institutions get on board and make the required changes. The
Speaker 2: Israeli ambassador and me and Maimon also echoed this sentiment.
Speaker 2: He said the real test now lies in swift and
Speaker 2: effective implementation. And by the way, Opposition leader Susan Lee
Speaker 2: hasn't committed to this report either giving the same line
Speaker 2: as Albanezi or a similar line that shall take the
Speaker 2: time to go through the report. I'll ask Julian Lisa
Speaker 2: about this when he's on the show a bit later,
Speaker 2: but I know I can tell you that Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: would have read it and immediately committed to it. The
Speaker 2: Coalition under Dutton, including James Patterson in the senior policy
Speaker 2: leadership role, wholeheartedly committed to our summit outcomes.
Speaker 3: But it's not all bad news.
Speaker 2: Were some positives from today's press conference. Albinisi and Burke
Speaker 2: spoke more forcefully about anti Semitism than they have in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 5: This is something that government needs to work with civil
Speaker 5: society on at all levels and each and every day,
Speaker 5: and every week, and every month and every year to
Speaker 5: make sure that any Semitism is pushed to the margins,
Speaker 5: to the fringes of extremism where it doesn't belong.
Speaker 2: And he also spoke about the pro Palestinian protesters who
Speaker 2: crashed the Melbourne restaurant on Friday night, and albin Esi
Speaker 2: described it as criminal behavior.
Speaker 5: I saw on the ABC the other night a woman
Speaker 5: who participated in the trashing and violence that occurred at
Speaker 5: the restaurant in Melbourne justifying that, justifying it. There is
Speaker 5: no justification for that whatsoever. And what's more, the idea
Speaker 5: that somehow the cause of justice for Palestinians is advanced
Speaker 5: by behavior like that is not only delusional, it is destructive.
Speaker 2: And I was surprised to see Tony Burke also speak
Speaker 2: strongly about anti Semitism. He spoke about how Jewish arts
Speaker 2: workers shouldn't have to worry about being canceled by a venue,
Speaker 2: or about graffiti attacks and Jewish school uniforms.
Speaker 7: Here he was we want people to be safe and
Speaker 7: to feel safe. Being safe and feeling safe is something
Speaker 7: which antisemitism flies in the face of. And while we
Speaker 7: might think of this only in terms of some of
Speaker 7: the more dramatic violent incidents which we've seen, feeling safe
Speaker 7: and being safe goes deeper than that.
Speaker 2: So this is great, But the question is why the
Speaker 2: sudden change in tone and can we trust that they're
Speaker 2: going to act now?
Speaker 3: Which is the crucial point.
Speaker 2: Now, there was only one decent question at today's press conference,
Speaker 2: and it came from the Jewish news journalist Carli Adno,
Speaker 2: and she raised this point precisely, said.
Speaker 4: The Jewish community has been experiencing these anti Semitic attacks
Speaker 4: for closity years.
Speaker 5: Now, why is it, Why is it.
Speaker 4: That it took another arson attack on a synagogue to
Speaker 4: adopt some of.
Speaker 5: These Well, it didn't. It's the answer to that.
Speaker 9: It didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, good on Carly for asking that in important question.
Speaker 2: Albanizi was defensive and Julian Siegul stepped in to defend him.
Speaker 3: But this is the point.
Speaker 2: Albanizi has done nothing but sit back and watch as
Speaker 2: hatred fested under his leadership. He's made our country a
Speaker 2: dangerous and unsafe place and.
Speaker 3: It's utterly unforgivable.
Speaker 2: And of course, Albinizi couldn't let the press conference go
Speaker 2: without taking some more digs at Israel.
Speaker 5: And regarding legitimate criticism of Israel. As you'd be aware,
Speaker 5: I have released statements with other leaders that have been
Speaker 5: critical of the actions of the net Yahoo government. I
Speaker 5: will continue to put forward a position that is consistent
Speaker 5: with the position that we have taken on the Middle East.
Speaker 5: But you can put forward those views respectfully.
Speaker 2: And his only criticism of the Palestinians was not that
Speaker 2: they voted for Hamas or that some took part in
Speaker 2: the October seven attacks, just that the Palestinian authority hasn't
Speaker 2: had elections.
Speaker 10: Criticism of Israel is legitimate, as is criticism of the
Speaker 10: Palestinian authority and their failure to have democratic elections and
Speaker 10: some of the corruption that has occurred.
Speaker 2: He didn't even criticize the Palestinian authority for funding terrorism.
Speaker 2: It has, as you probably know, a pay for sleigh policy.
Speaker 2: This means they give a salary to the families of
Speaker 2: martyrs terrorists for life. This is an official government policy
Speaker 2: that supports pays.
Speaker 3: For terrorism against Israel.
Speaker 2: But back to the Anti Semitism Plan, it is a
Speaker 2: strong report and the bulk of our sky News Anti
Speaker 2: Semitism Summit outcomes are included within a plan. In fact,
Speaker 2: nine of our fifteen outcomes are included in today's report,
Speaker 2: and they are a permanent policing cooperation between state and
Speaker 2: federal governments to investigate threats and incidents and links to terrorism,
Speaker 2: embedding Holocaust and antisemitism education in the curriculum. A judicial
Speaker 2: inquiry into antisemitism on campus, although Jullian Siegel says she'll
Speaker 2: wait for the end.
Speaker 3: Of the year to see if this is needed.
Speaker 2: The investigation and disclosure of foreign funding to universities which
Speaker 2: might drive extremist ideologies. Government grants to festivals and cultural
Speaker 2: institutions should have terms of conditions that the recipient doesn't promote, facilitate,
Speaker 2: or deal or promote facilitate antisemitism, and that they also
Speaker 2: deal effectively with it. Remove the deductible gift recipient status
Speaker 2: from any charitable institution that promotes speakers or.
Speaker 3: Engagers in anti semotism.
Speaker 2: Also screen visa applicants for antisemitic views or affiliations, and
Speaker 2: ensure that the Migration Act effectively facilitates visa refusals or
Speaker 2: cancelations for antisemitic conduct, and retric antisemitism training for those
Speaker 2: who are involved in processing the visa applications to make
Speaker 2: sure they can assess antisemitism. Encourage Australian cultural institutions like
Speaker 2: festivals to re engage with Jewish creatives and members of
Speaker 2: the community. And those are the nine that crossed over
Speaker 2: with our report. Now Jillian Siegel's report states that if
Speaker 2: threats escalate, she'd recommend emergency coordination measures, including a standing
Speaker 2: joint Task FORSS and potential national security declarations. And this
Speaker 2: was the first recommendation from Alex Ripchen's list at our summit,
Speaker 2: to declare a national emergency and establish a joint counter
Speaker 2: Terror Task FORSS to mobilize all the relevant agencies to
Speaker 2: gather in the fight against this hate before we have
Speaker 2: a major.
Speaker 3: Terror attack in the country.
Speaker 2: But Jillian Siegul's report goes further with some new ideas
Speaker 2: bold ideas. She wants to work with platforms to reduce
Speaker 2: the presence or influence of bots that deliberately soew social
Speaker 2: discord and to reduce the reach of those who pedal
Speaker 2: hate behind a veil of anonymity, So that's a social
Speaker 2: media recommendation. She also says she'll work with the publicly
Speaker 2: funded broadcasters, the ABC and SBS to encourage them to
Speaker 2: develop programs that add to social cohesion, and the one
Speaker 2: that's generated all the headlines today, she suggested withholding government
Speaker 2: funding from universities, programs or individuals within universities that facilitate, enable,
Speaker 2: or fail to act against anti semitism and as you know,
Speaker 2: that was what United States President Donald Trump has done.
Speaker 2: He's stripped funding from the likes of Harvard Universe. Now
Speaker 2: I fully support this idea. We didn't suggest such a
Speaker 2: move at our summit because it's unrealistic to think that
Speaker 2: Albanezi would actually implement it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no world in which.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, who hasn't lifted a finger to deal
Speaker 2: with the rampant anti Semitism at campuses, which has been
Speaker 2: going on for nearly two years now, is suddenly going
Speaker 2: to strip them of their funding over due hatred. You'll
Speaker 2: never do it. He's no Donald Trump. Unfortunately. My only
Speaker 2: criticism with the report. I think it's an excellent report.
Speaker 2: I commend Jillian Siegel for it. My only criticism with
Speaker 2: it is that Siegel has worded many of the recommendations
Speaker 2: so that the onus is on the envoy to implement
Speaker 2: them rather than the government or the institutions alone. It's
Speaker 2: an ambitious and strong document, as Jillian Siegel says.
Speaker 4: And it's not a symbolic document. It's an action plan,
Speaker 4: and it addresses antisemitism in many places in our laws, classrooms, universities,
Speaker 4: media workplaces, online spaces, and public institutions, and it calls
Speaker 4: on government and society or leaders to support the initiatives.
Speaker 2: So she deals with anti Semitism in many different spaces,
Speaker 2: but she puts the onus on herself to solve the problem,
Speaker 2: to work with the social media companies, for example, instead
Speaker 2: of saying this is what's needed and then allowing the
Speaker 2: relevant minister to work with the social media companies.
Speaker 3: And in my view it's.
Speaker 2: Objectively far too much work for one individual and her team,
Speaker 2: and it would be more successful if the objectives were
Speaker 2: not all the sole responsibility of the envoy.
Speaker 3: Or Jewish groups to implement.
Speaker 2: And yes, it is Seagel's report, but Albinizi says she's
Speaker 2: his advisor on anti Semitism and this is the blueprint,
Speaker 2: this is the action plan the federal government is working from.
Speaker 2: So there should be more onus on specifically what it
Speaker 2: can do, independently of her involvement. Because this is an
Speaker 2: urgent crisis. We need immediate action, we need it yesterday.
Speaker 2: And I'm worried the Prime Minister will use this report
Speaker 2: as cover when the next violent attack happens, as we
Speaker 2: know it will, Albanezi will simply say he's working with
Speaker 2: the Envoy on the Anti Semitism Action Plan, and right
Speaker 2: now it's all smoke and mirrors. He's had the report
Speaker 2: for a full week before today's press conference, yet he
Speaker 2: still couldn't bring himself to commit to a single idea
Speaker 2: in it. How much longer must Jews weight to feel safe,
Speaker 2: Prime Minister? How many more attacks and abuse must Jews suffer?
Speaker 2: When when Prime Minister, will you finally do the right thing?
Speaker 2: And just to add to that, neither Alban Easy or
Speaker 2: Tony Burke would come on my show tonight or any night,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that this is about anti Semitism and
Speaker 2: I'm the only Jewish television news host in the country.
Speaker 2: Now a massive show tonight, Julian Siegel, the Special Envoy
Speaker 2: coming up, plus shadow at Toney, General Julian Lisa later
Speaker 2: this hour, and Economics correspondent Matt Cranston. But first, let's
Speaker 2: get to this breaking news about the woman from Gaza
Speaker 2: who's been detained in dawn raids today. For more, let's
Speaker 2: bring in National Senator Matt Canavan and Daily Telegraph journalist
Speaker 2: James Willis.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Now, this raid, this.
Speaker 2: Woman being detained, has prompted a snap rally outside Tony
Speaker 2: Burke's office tonight. She's a sixty one year old woman
Speaker 2: from Gaza. Her home is in western Sydney. She was
Speaker 2: raided this morning. She's been deemed a security reesk under
Speaker 2: character grounds by AZO. This is according to the Daily Telegraph,
Speaker 2: which broke this story just a little while ago. James,
Speaker 2: starting with you on this because you're at the paper
Speaker 2: that broke this story.
Speaker 3: What more can you tell us?
Speaker 1: Well, Sharry, there's a lot that we're still working through
Speaker 1: on this. But the story that's gone up this afternoon
Speaker 1: from Lachland Leaming and Tom Sargan, as you say, a
Speaker 1: sixty one year old grandmother from Gaza. There was a
Speaker 1: dawn rate at Bankstown by ASIO. She's been taken to
Speaker 1: Villawood Immigration Detention Center. The bridging visa canceled because of
Speaker 1: failing the character test. What is what is alleged and
Speaker 1: there's basically a little bit more information that talks about
Speaker 1: the fact that this character that she did not pass
Speaker 1: this character test. Now what's interesting is, as we know
Speaker 1: there were a number of Palestinian people that were evacuated
Speaker 1: from Gaza and there were some snap visas provided. From
Speaker 1: what I can read and what we understand, we're not
Speaker 1: sure if this lady is part of that. There's a
Speaker 1: suggestion that she was visiting people in Saudi Ray and
Speaker 1: then wasn't allowed to go back to Palestine after that
Speaker 1: or Gaza after that, So it's a tricky one. Asio
Speaker 1: are keeping quiet on this. But off the back of it,
Speaker 1: which I find very interesting is the fact that you
Speaker 1: have dozens of people that have gathered at Tony Burke's office.
Speaker 1: There's a big sign with what appears to be blood
Speaker 1: on it. They were saying they were refusing to leave
Speaker 1: until this woman was released, saying she's done nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: So it's a very tense situation unfolding Sydney Southwest this afternoon.
Speaker 2: And Matt Canavan, this was always going to be the
Speaker 2: issue with the government rushing through visas with limited security checks.
Speaker 2: We just don't know what level of security checks were
Speaker 2: done in this instance. We don't know what sort of
Speaker 2: visa she was given. The telegraphs reporting that she arrived
Speaker 2: here from Gaza though last year Tony Burke has said
Speaker 2: previously that he wouldn't send anyone back to Gaza. So
Speaker 2: this is now going to be very complicated for the government.
Speaker 11: It probably will be Shari's. James has said, we don't
Speaker 11: really know all of the details of this specific case,
Speaker 11: but this general issue has been there since the government
Speaker 11: ram through the approval of a bunch of visas from
Speaker 11: people from Gaza. Now, on their own admission, they couldn't
Speaker 11: do the normal character tests on the ground. Obviously that
Speaker 11: couldn't happen in the middle of a war zone, and
Speaker 11: the government effectively imported a huge security risk to our country.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 11: I feel for many of the people in Gaza that
Speaker 11: have had their lives turned upside down, some of them innocently,
Speaker 11: but we have to of course protect the security of
Speaker 11: our own country first, and when taking refugees, we have
Speaker 11: to have the ability to check and secure our interests. Now,
Speaker 11: as I say, I don't know enough about this case enough.
Speaker 11: It's an example here, but clearly there was an importation
Speaker 11: of a risk and unnecessary risk last year the government
Speaker 11: presided over and I hope just now the government stays strong.
Speaker 11: If this is true, this person here is on a
Speaker 11: bridging visa. On a visa, the Australian government has every
Speaker 11: right to revoke that visa and return her, if possible,
Speaker 11: deport her from this country, just like we refuse Kanye West,
Speaker 11: We're refused Titating coming to this country. We control our borders.
Speaker 11: We can also refuse an activist from the Middle East
Speaker 11: who may be a risk to the austrained people's safety.
Speaker 2: The issue is, of course, that she's already here and
Speaker 2: it just makes it so complicated for what the government's
Speaker 2: going to do.
Speaker 3: All right, let's turn to.
Speaker 2: This exclusive story in the City Morning Herald that Australia
Speaker 2: could pay more for submarines under the Orchest deal. Now,
Speaker 2: James Patterson has said that the Albanese government needs to step.
Speaker 3: In and take control of this Orcht review that's going
Speaker 3: on now.
Speaker 2: James, the broad issue here is that Albanze could lose
Speaker 2: Orcus altogether because he's just not engaging successfully with the
Speaker 2: Trump administration.
Speaker 1: Well, firstly, as we know, there's a lot to do
Speaker 1: on the relationship between the Albanese government and the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: We've heard the stories about Kevin Rubb this week. I
Speaker 1: think that is still a big problem. I note Barnaby
Speaker 1: Joyce's called force some hard action there and Trump to
Speaker 1: rud to be moved on. And I'm starting to think
Speaker 1: that if there is a problem there, then it needs
Speaker 1: to be addressed, and if it's impacting our relationship, then
Speaker 1: something we'll have to give there eventually. On the wider issue,
Speaker 1: I'm not that concerned because I realized that, yes, this
Speaker 1: is a lot of money. We're talking about more than
Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars, but because of the alliance, it's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing with defense defense things blow out.
Speaker 1: There's some concerns here initially that it might be one
Speaker 1: contribution as part of the plan, which works out to
Speaker 1: be about five billion dollars in regards to jobs or manufacturing.
Speaker 1: So I'm not too concerned just yet, and I know
Speaker 1: these projects blow out, but the wider relationship is deeply
Speaker 1: problematic at the moment.
Speaker 2: Matt it does seem like there are now rocky widers.
Speaker 2: As part of this story, it suggests that the US
Speaker 2: might also demand that Australia commit to using these submarines
Speaker 2: on America's side if there is a conflict with China.
Speaker 3: What do you think about this, look.
Speaker 11: I'd be concerned about such a provision, shar Area. I
Speaker 11: think we must maintain our own country sovereignty. Obviously, we
Speaker 11: have agreements with the United States that if they are attacked,
Speaker 11: our alloy is attacked, we are already committed to help
Speaker 11: defend them. We activated that after September eleventh. Obviously, the
Speaker 11: situation in Taiwan, though, is not US territory, and we'd
Speaker 11: be an additional obligation placed on Australia, so I'd be
Speaker 11: wary about that. But this, to me does underline the
Speaker 11: fact that we have probably put way too much pressure
Speaker 11: and burden on the orcust agreement. I'd love to see
Speaker 11: us get those nuclear submarines. It is very important, But
Speaker 11: I think we've pursued that while and used that as
Speaker 11: a shield to avoid hard questions about why we aren't
Speaker 11: developing guided weapons, were developing cookbooks but not guided weapons,
Speaker 11: why we're developing, why we're not developing drone technologies. All
Speaker 11: these other things have to be prioritized now, just for
Speaker 11: the case that we maybe orcast doesn't happen, we have
Speaker 11: to diversify our military prepared away from just one agreement.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, No, one hundred percent agree with that.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 2: Opposition leader Susan Lee has done a glam shoot with
Speaker 2: The Women's Weekly where she's spoken about what seems to
Speaker 2: be quite an unusual, maybe even far fetched story. She
Speaker 2: claims she was on the road in central New South
Speaker 2: Wales years ago, when she had pulled over for the night,
Speaker 2: setting up her swag before a motorbike drove over. The
Speaker 2: story says that Lee said she then pulled out a
Speaker 2: semi automatic rifle bought legally from a Quibian gun shop
Speaker 2: and told the rider, I'm here with my tall, skinny mate,
Speaker 2: attributing the line to an unidentified movie from US action
Speaker 2: star Clint Eastward James, I don't know. I struggle to
Speaker 2: imagine a scenario in which a young woman would be
Speaker 2: setting up swag on the side of a road and
Speaker 2: then pull a gun out at someone.
Speaker 3: It seems pretty unusual.
Speaker 1: Well, let's take her on face value, and if it happened,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. If there's a bit of mayo on top,
Speaker 1: so be it. I find it very hard to believe
Speaker 1: she would make it up from nothing. But equally, if
Speaker 1: it did occur in the way that we did, and yes,
Speaker 1: she said it was a legally purchased gun, well then
Speaker 1: kudos to her.
Speaker 3: She's pretty brave, and I have to say so far overall.
Speaker 1: I think what's impressed people the most is that she
Speaker 1: is someone that, unlike a lot of people in Canberra
Speaker 1: that are career politicians. She's done things in her life,
Speaker 1: She's got a bit of life experience, she's had jobs
Speaker 1: outside of the public sector, and so so far she's
Speaker 1: been pretty good. But I you know, if in a
Speaker 1: court of law you want to see the tape to
Speaker 1: know if it was true once and for all. I
Speaker 1: think there's a bit of mayo on that story, is mine?
Speaker 3: Matt, Yeah, what do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Matt?
Speaker 11: Oh, Look, I think this does happen, Shari. I mean,
Speaker 11: I spent time in a stock camp, and there are
Speaker 11: a lot of young women out there these days. In fact,
Speaker 11: the stock camp I was in was fifty to fifty.
Speaker 11: A lot of tough, tough jill rouse out there who
Speaker 11: would find themselves perhaps in those sort of situations. Look,
Speaker 11: so I'm not one to judge. I do think I
Speaker 11: agree with James that Susan has had a rich history. Look, ultimately, though,
Speaker 11: I think all these things are great, and she looks fantastic.
Speaker 11: Probably a good thing. I wasn't made Nationals leader. I
Speaker 11: would not look as good in a glam photo shoot
Speaker 11: as Susan Lee. Good luck to it.
Speaker 3: But we're going to get back.
Speaker 11: To developing policies ultimately tell people are going to judgeus
Speaker 11: on what we're going to do for them, not these
Speaker 11: stories and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So no, true, it would be good.
Speaker 2: And on that note, it would be good to hear
Speaker 2: about a few coalition policies because they have been non existent.
Speaker 2: In fact, I don't think we've had a single new
Speaker 2: policy from the coalition.
Speaker 1: They've gone too far the other way and they're worried
Speaker 1: about making everyone happy and giving everyone a say, let's
Speaker 1: not making some calls you please, we need an opposition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, you've got to fire them up. That's why
Speaker 3: you're on the backbench, so you can speak.
Speaker 7: Out, all right.
Speaker 1: Pok great in a photo shoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the Women's Weekly they star you anyway,
Speaker 2: it'd be here, yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: And there's like, you know, there's half truths in there
Speaker 1: and it sounds a true.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: We can see you all right, Jillian Siegel coming up
Speaker 2: live in the show shortly. But now let's bring in
Speaker 2: the economics correspondent at The Australian, Matthew Cranston.
Speaker 3: Matt, good to see you.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Trump is announced a massive two hundred percent import tax
Speaker 2: on foreign pharmaceutical goods.
Speaker 3: Also on copper.
Speaker 2: You've written an interesting piece in the OS today with
Speaker 2: that the chairman of the country's biggest drugs manufacturer in
Speaker 2: Australia says that the White House's concerns over the PBS
Speaker 2: are not actually unreasonable, And you're quoting the CSL chairman
Speaker 2: Brian mcnamie. He urged the Albanezi government to make the
Speaker 2: PBS more efficient and allow innovative American drugs into Australia faster.
Speaker 2: Matthew talk us through the issues here and how Albanezy
Speaker 2: could give a little during the negotiations on this point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Brian was making a point that higher tariffs
Speaker 6: are going to have a have be a problem for CSL,
Speaker 6: but he's thinking more broadly about the strategy, which is
Speaker 6: that if you just give a little and take a
Speaker 6: little on this, you could actually have a negotiation with
Speaker 6: Trump and find that he drops the tariff just with
Speaker 6: something small, for example, accelerating the PBS Pharmaceutical Benefit scheme
Speaker 6: to approve drugs from America faster, not giving away any
Speaker 6: of the integrity, but just improving it and also just
Speaker 6: maybe thinking about the pricing mechanism on this as well,
Speaker 6: and his point was that for decades, the Americans have
Speaker 6: invested massively in drugs and got the innovation, and all
Speaker 6: these other countries have benefited from it. So it's sort
Speaker 6: of like a little bit like defense. A lot of
Speaker 6: countries benefit from America's investment and defense technology and its defense,
Speaker 6: and maybe it's the same with pharmaceuticals as well.
Speaker 2: Matt, you were the first to start reporting on the
Speaker 2: unrealized capital gains tax plans, which no one seemed to
Speaker 2: know that was an actual plan of the Albanezy government
Speaker 2: when you were reporting on it. You've today reported in
Speaker 2: The Australian that the Treasurer is seeking special powers that
Speaker 2: would allow him to net more people with his planned
Speaker 2: super tax hike without parliamentary approval. You're saying it's a
Speaker 2: little known clause in his bill to tax the unrealized
Speaker 2: capital gains of high value funds, and you've actually said
Speaker 2: it's known as the Henry the eighth clause.
Speaker 3: Tell us what the plan is.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, this is amazing. I couldn't believe that this
Speaker 6: hadn't been touched on in the last three years. But
Speaker 6: I got a little tip off that someone would challenge
Speaker 6: this super tax plan in court, they would try and
Speaker 6: challenge it legally and part of it could be unconstitutional.
Speaker 6: So I went to some of Australia's top constan titutional
Speaker 6: lawyers and they both said, yeah, well, this is what's
Speaker 6: called Henry the AIDH clause. Basically chari It's just they
Speaker 6: passed an Act of Parliament and then after they've passed it,
Speaker 6: the Treasurer can then go and tinker or change some
Speaker 6: of the parameters on the supertax afterwards without further parliamentary approval.
Speaker 6: So it's like amazing that this can actually happen.
Speaker 11: I must say.
Speaker 6: The Treasurer has defended this by saying, well, look, this
Speaker 6: is standard. This is pretty much what liberal governments did
Speaker 6: with some legislation before me. But the thing is these
Speaker 6: constitutional lawyers are saying, well no, actually the wording is
Speaker 6: very different and it allows you for wider powers afterwards.
Speaker 6: So this is really important because obviously Labor is trying
Speaker 6: to introduce an unrealized capital gains tax, which is just
Speaker 6: a tax on the appreciation of any.
Speaker 3: Of your assets.
Speaker 6: It's before you've sold it, and it starts at three million,
Speaker 6: but he can change that to make a two million
Speaker 6: or something. Else and that could net far, far more
Speaker 6: people in it. So we'll just have to wait and see,
Speaker 6: but I think that there could be some legal challenges
Speaker 6: coming for that one.
Speaker 2: Fascinating and amazing reporting is always Matt. Thank you very
Speaker 2: much for joining us, and literally no one realized that
Speaker 2: was an issue until Matt started his journalism.
Speaker 3: Now Jim Chalmers is.
Speaker 2: Seeking Oh we've just covered that story. Apologies, all right,
Speaker 2: Still to calm the Albaneze government is under pressure to
Speaker 2: support today's anti semitism plan.
Speaker 3: Jillian Siegel will join me live after the break that's
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 2: Welcome back with a wide ranging plan to tackle anti
Speaker 2: Semitism has today been unveiled after twenty one months of
Speaker 2: attacks on Jewish Australians, and I'm pleased to welcome Australia's
Speaker 2: Special Envoy to combat anti Semitism, Jillian Siegu. Jillian, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for joining us tonight, and a huge
Speaker 2: congratulations on today's thorough and thoughtful report. You've done extremely
Speaker 2: hard work putting it all together. Are you disappointed the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister hasn't committed to any of the recommendations that
Speaker 2: you proposed.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Shari, and thank you for all the
Speaker 4: wonderful work that you've been doing over this period. I
Speaker 4: think that the plan is mine and it was always
Speaker 4: going to be mine as the envoy, and there's a
Speaker 4: lot of work for different parties to do. There's support
Speaker 4: I will need from the federal government, but also from
Speaker 4: state governments, also from leaders in society, leaders of cultural institutions,
Speaker 4: chancellors and vice chancellors at universities, and so I will
Speaker 4: be looking to the government, the federal government really the
Speaker 4: subject of your question, for.
Speaker 3: Support where I need it.
Speaker 4: I did not expect the government to say, well, this
Speaker 4: is something we full we support and will endorse and
Speaker 4: will act on, because not all of it is for
Speaker 4: them to act on. But we will take it step
Speaker 4: by step, and I'll certainly be you know, I'm not backward.
Speaker 4: I will be putting them to the task of supporting
Speaker 4: me when I need federal government support. But I'll equally
Speaker 4: I'll be looking to state governments to support educational initiatives,
Speaker 4: and I'll be good looking to universities to continue what
Speaker 4: has been very cooperative stance from them in moving towards
Speaker 4: initiatives to combat antisemitism on campuses. So I'll be looking
Speaker 4: for our whole society response, including government. But I think
Speaker 4: you know, as we go along, and as I said
Speaker 4: today when launching it with the Prime Minister, that I'll
Speaker 4: be reporting on it at the end of the first year,
Speaker 4: and if I haven't had cooperation from everyone whom I
Speaker 4: need to have cooperation from, I'll be calling it out.
Speaker 2: But this is and I understand you will absolutely hold
Speaker 2: them to account in your report in a year's time,
Speaker 2: But this is, as you know, an urgent problem. Surely
Speaker 2: we don't have the time for the Prime Minister to
Speaker 2: slowly consider this, would.
Speaker 3: You like him?
Speaker 2: Or has he given you a time frame for when
Speaker 2: he'll come back and say whether he will endorse some
Speaker 2: of the recommendations that do fall in the Federal government's remit.
Speaker 4: Well, I think obviously the Prime Minister's are off right
Speaker 4: now to China, but already there has been support. I
Speaker 4: just don't think that it's fair to say, look, there's
Speaker 4: no support indicated. The Education Minister has said he's really
Speaker 4: happy to look at education and he's agreed to convene
Speaker 4: the next meeting of all education ministers to have me
Speaker 4: speak to them. So there's work happening on education. I'm
Speaker 4: in touch with him and TEXA in relation to universities
Speaker 4: and there's full cooperation there. That's a very big area
Speaker 4: of work. The other areas where I need engagement and
Speaker 4: work is in relation to Victoria and their task force
Speaker 4: that has been established and I would like to contribute
Speaker 4: to that. So you know, those are some of the
Speaker 4: areas where I think there'll be immediate action and certainly
Speaker 4: strong support to start talking about initiatives in the cultural
Speaker 4: space with Minister Burke. So I'm hopeful of making progress
Speaker 4: every single day and that's what we've been working.
Speaker 3: On over the last few months as well.
Speaker 4: It's not just from today, it's just that we finally
Speaker 4: put it together in a strategic plan.
Speaker 2: You said today that you'll look at whether it's necessary
Speaker 2: to strengthen hate crime legislation, including provisions relating to incitement
Speaker 2: and vilification. Don't we know by now that we desperately
Speaker 2: need stronger laws when community groups.
Speaker 3: Like ECJ are left to deal with the hate preachers
Speaker 3: instead of the police.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, we've seen a raft of
Speaker 4: new legislation and all of that's gone out for consultation
Speaker 4: and we have responded to it and put in our
Speaker 4: views and new legislation has been passed, some of it
Speaker 4: not as strong as we certainly advocated for, and some
Speaker 4: of it, you know, very good.
Speaker 3: We have very good, you know, a.
Speaker 4: Nazi symbol legislation and doxing legislation. But I agree, I
Speaker 4: think some of the legislation in relation to hatred needs
Speaker 4: to be strengthened. But the argument is that it's new
Speaker 4: legislation and it should be tested. And my point is
Speaker 4: you need strong laws, but you also need police to
Speaker 4: do the policing, and prosecutors to prosecute, and then judges
Speaker 4: to sentence. So that's where I think there is a
Speaker 4: chain of you know, perhaps lack of understanding about what
Speaker 4: is anti Semitism, how it is this evil that eats
Speaker 4: weighed our society and that will undo us all if
Speaker 4: we don't push it to the margins. So my next
Speaker 4: series of initiatives that I've already started on but I
Speaker 4: need to continue working with others on, is to educate,
Speaker 4: educate the police, educate the prosecutors, and educate the judiciary.
Speaker 4: And not that they're uneducated, of course they're not, but
Speaker 4: they haven't been exposed to understanding antisemitism. I think sufficiently
Speaker 4: they've had a lot of other training, but now it's
Speaker 4: time to consider what is antisemitism, how it should be
Speaker 4: dealt with, and how to recognize it.
Speaker 2: I'm just keen to ask you about a couple of
Speaker 2: the other suggestions you put forward today. One of them
Speaker 2: is one that we also had at our Anti Semitism summit,
Speaker 2: revoking grants of funding for organizations that promote antisemitism, and
Speaker 2: of course taxpayer funds shouldn't be used to spread this hatred.
Speaker 3: This demand's immediate action.
Speaker 2: This is something the government can act on now if
Speaker 2: it agreed to it, isn't it Well?
Speaker 4: I think it is, and I think there are a
Speaker 4: couple of test cases out there at the moment. We
Speaker 4: need to see about the funding of a you know,
Speaker 4: particular academic and her ARC grant, and I agree. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's one of the clear recommendations that funding should not
Speaker 4: be given to promote academic spreading hate or institutions spreading hate.
Speaker 4: But that's got to be done on a case by
Speaker 4: case basis. That's not a silver bullet where the government
Speaker 4: says this is a new law.
Speaker 3: They've got those.
Speaker 4: Powers in most grant documents and most other federal government
Speaker 4: contracts and it's a matter then of exercising them.
Speaker 3: So it's certainly something will be focused on and.
Speaker 4: You know, agitating for as the cases arise.
Speaker 2: Just finally, you spoke briefly about the role of the
Speaker 2: public broadcasters in your report. What are your concerns with
Speaker 2: the media coverage of the ABC.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that.
Speaker 4: You know, the public broadcasters, again consistent with what we
Speaker 4: were just discussing, are using public money and they are
Speaker 4: very important vectors of cultural development in the country and
Speaker 4: we need to see them being very balanced and putting
Speaker 4: a case for a particular viewpoint and then in a
Speaker 4: civil way the case the alternative case. And I've had
Speaker 4: a lot of feedback from members of the community, both
Speaker 4: the Jewish community and the non Jewish community that they
Speaker 4: don't see that what we see on the ABC is
Speaker 4: necessarily balanced, and so it's something that I want to
Speaker 4: look at and monitor and talk to the ABC about
Speaker 4: and see what we can do to ensure that the
Speaker 4: Australian public are getting a fair look at any issue
Speaker 4: from both sides. And that is not to stop civil debate,
Speaker 4: and it's not to in any way restrict what journalists do,
Speaker 4: but it's to say, let's look at it from the
Speaker 4: different perspectives, because then we have a robust democracy and
Speaker 4: that's what we want in this country.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Julian Siegel, thank you so much for your time tonight,
Speaker 2: and once again it's admirable that you dedicate your life
Speaker 2: and your current role to thinking about and dealing with
Speaker 2: this crisis.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, thank you, Sharion, thank you. I have
Speaker 4: to thank you and and Sky for your summit, which
Speaker 4: was a very important opportunity to hear lots of different
Speaker 4: views and all had impact in putting the plan together.
Speaker 3: So thank you really appreciate that. Thank you so much, Julian.
Speaker 2: All right, still to calm high level meetings by Keir
Speaker 2: Starmer and Emmanuel mccron on Europe's migrant crisis. Hugh Grant
Speaker 2: has an expensive nap at Wimbledon, and I'll ask Julian
Speaker 2: Lisa if the Coalition will back the anti Semitism plan.
Speaker 3: It's coming up.
Speaker 2: Welcome back and joining us now is Shadow Attorney General
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa.
Speaker 3: Julian, great to see you.
Speaker 2: Look, let's start with the breaking news tonight that a
Speaker 2: woman from Gaza has been after concerns raised by Asio
Speaker 2: the Daily Telly reporting that she arrived from Gaza last year. Now,
Speaker 2: without making any comment about this individual, it's a statement
Speaker 2: of fact to say that Gaza is a terrorist hotspot
Speaker 2: controlled by her musk So, Julian, does the government need
Speaker 2: to be transparent about this and explain exactly what security
Speaker 2: processes it went through before this visa was issued.
Speaker 9: Well, we've been very critical of the government for allowing
Speaker 9: people into Australia from the terrorist war zone, particularly the
Speaker 9: last term of Parliament, without adequate security checks, and there
Speaker 9: was several thousand people that the government granted tourist visas
Speaker 9: to without adequate security checks. I don't want to comment
Speaker 9: on this individual case, but it raises these questions that
Speaker 9: I think the government has to handle. It's the first
Speaker 9: duty of government to keep Australian safe and we need
Speaker 9: to be very selective about who we let into this country.
Speaker 9: We particularly need to be we need to ensure that
Speaker 9: we're not letting people into this country that would do
Speaker 9: this country harm. The fact that a person has had
Speaker 9: an adverse security assessment and that they've been detained is
Speaker 9: something that the government will need to explain.
Speaker 2: Indeed, now I want to turn to the anti Samitism
Speaker 2: report today. What's your view on Jillian Seagull's report you
Speaker 2: would have just heard her on the show and also
Speaker 2: the government's response to it.
Speaker 9: Well, we welcome Jillian Seagulls report. It's a very good report.
Speaker 9: We've recommitted. I should say to the fifteen point plan
Speaker 9: that came from the Executive Council of Australian Jury through
Speaker 9: the sky New summit that you hosted, Charry, and that
Speaker 9: is clearly and you could hear it in Jillian's comments
Speaker 9: to you. It's clearly been highly influential in her report.
Speaker 9: But this report is an action plan for the Special Envoy.
Speaker 9: It's not a commitment from government. And while you were
Speaker 9: right to say that the Prime Minister's language and his
Speaker 9: tone and Tony Burke's language in his tone today were
Speaker 9: much better, none of it amounts to a commitment. We
Speaker 9: want to see the Prime Minister up the front helping
Speaker 9: lead the fight against anti Semitism, particularly when the Jewish
Speaker 9: community is telling us that Australia's reputation is such that
Speaker 9: we have become one of the world's hotspots for anti Semitism,
Speaker 9: given the number of fire bombings that we've had, the
Speaker 9: number of anti Semitic incidents that we've taken. So we
Speaker 9: think it's all very well to listen to the anti
Speaker 9: semitism or envoy, but the Prime Minister needs to be
Speaker 9: up the front and he needs to commit to some
Speaker 9: of these actions.
Speaker 2: And Julian, what about the coalition? Will the coalition support
Speaker 2: Julian Siegel's plan?
Speaker 9: Well, first, as I said, we've recommitted to the fifteen
Speaker 9: point plan that came to the Sky News summit, and secondly,
Speaker 9: we've committed to hold the government's feet to the fire
Speaker 9: to implement these plans here. So we want to see
Speaker 9: the government committing to it. We're not in government in
Speaker 9: the next three years, but we want to make sure
Speaker 9: the government, the government goes ahead and implements Julian Seagal's plan.
Speaker 3: So you therefore do agree you are supporting the plan.
Speaker 9: We think this is the plan from the envoy and
Speaker 9: it's our job to hold the government to account to
Speaker 9: ensure that they are following her instructions.
Speaker 2: All right, It just finally reports that Harmas has agreed
Speaker 2: to release ten hostages as part of these ongoing ceasefire talks. Nadignya,
Speaker 2: who's obviously been in Washington, but don't we need to
Speaker 2: see at this point all of the hostages released. If
Speaker 2: Israel is going to withdraw not a withdrawal just for
Speaker 2: half of the remaining living hostages.
Speaker 9: Well, we've always been clear on this that there's only
Speaker 9: one way for the conflict to end, and that is
Speaker 9: for all the hostages to be released and for Hamas
Speaker 9: to play no further part in the future of Gaza.
Speaker 9: That's always been our view in relation to this. There's
Speaker 9: still forty nine hostages there, a number of them are dead.
Speaker 9: We want to see all the hostages returned home.
Speaker 2: The US has also, and specifically Secretary of State Marc Rubio,
Speaker 2: has imposed sanctions on the United Nations. Francesca Albanesi. She's
Speaker 2: been not just the critic of Israel, but she's pushed
Speaker 2: inaccurate propaganda about Israel. Now Marco Rubio says that Albanesi
Speaker 2: is speaking about Francesca Albanesi.
Speaker 3: I need to clarify again, not the Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: Francesca Albanese's campaign of political and economic warfare against the
Speaker 2: United States and Israel will no longer be tolerated. We
Speaker 2: will always stand by our partners in their right to
Speaker 2: self defense. Julian this is a great move by the
Speaker 2: United States. Do you think Australia should consider this as well?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 9: The United States has their own sanctions regime and it's
Speaker 9: a matter for them. But I can say what we
Speaker 9: won't be doing on the sanctions regime is following Anthony
Speaker 9: Albanesi's lead, which is to sanction people for public comments
Speaker 9: that they've made, as he sanctioned to Israeli cabinet ministers,
Speaker 9: which we don't think our sanctions regime was ever ever
Speaker 9: designed to ever designed for. So this is a matter
Speaker 9: for the United States on this particular regime.
Speaker 3: All right, Julian Lisa, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And up next, Kiir Starmer and Emmanuel mccron look to
Speaker 2: tackle the migration crisis in Europe.
Speaker 3: Plus Hugh Grant.
Speaker 2: Was on the edge of the seat during Wimedon's men's
Speaker 2: quarterfinal Spiked Onlines. Tom Slater will joined me right after this.
Speaker 2: Welcome back in with us now is Spiked Online editor.
Speaker 2: Tom Slater, Great to see you. So now mccron has
Speaker 2: met with Kiir Starmer. They're collaborating on a policy to
Speaker 2: address Europe's migrant crisis. Tom, the world is changing if
Speaker 2: this left wing pair admit there's a migration crisis now.
Speaker 12: Even that is a sign of progress compared to a
Speaker 12: couple of years ago. But lo and behold, the proposal
Speaker 12: that they come up with is barely really going to
Speaker 12: touch the sides. This was originally pitched to us as
Speaker 12: a one in one out deal, so if someone enters
Speaker 12: the UK across the English Channel illegally, they would be
Speaker 12: swapped out for a more legitimate asylum claim from France,
Speaker 12: thus trying to break the kind of business model of
Speaker 12: the smuggling gangs. And yet what we're reading now in
Speaker 12: the French press and in the British press is that
Speaker 12: it's going to be a lot less ambitious than that.
Speaker 12: But one in every seventeen migrants you make the crossing
Speaker 12: will likely be returned, sending back only about fifty migrants
Speaker 12: per week, when given the fact that the numbers of
Speaker 12: illegal crossings are sky high at the moment, I mean,
Speaker 12: there's been forty four thousand who have made that perilous
Speaker 12: journey since Labour on the general election last July. I
Speaker 12: think people are distinctly unimpressed by this. I mean, as
Speaker 12: you say, at least the debate and the Overton window
Speaker 12: has moved a little bit on this question, but the
Speaker 12: policies certainly aren't there to deal with it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Indeed, obviously at one point the UK was looking to
Speaker 2: Australia for our own backs policy. But I suppose they're
Speaker 2: not quite at that point of turning back the boat.
Speaker 3: So I mean that doesn't seem to be discussed at
Speaker 3: the moment.
Speaker 12: No, not in the slightest and I think there's a
Speaker 12: big failure of political will. There's also a failure to
Speaker 12: look at how we're hammed strung legally by dint of
Speaker 12: our membership of the European Convention and Human Rights. Purely
Speaker 12: because that organization, that treaty has the word human rights
Speaker 12: in it. People are terrified. Politicians certainly are terrified of
Speaker 12: going near it. But it's created a nonsensical and dangerous
Speaker 12: situation in which if people can run the gauntlet of
Speaker 12: smuggling gangs all across North Africa and into Europe, if
Speaker 12: they can take this perilous crossing, which is one of
Speaker 12: the busiest crossings in the world, if they get through
Speaker 12: all of that, then they might have a chance to
Speaker 12: get to the UK and work in the black market.
Speaker 12: I mean it's a situation that doesn't serve anyone particularly well.
Speaker 12: But because of the fact that it might involve looking
Speaker 12: again at some of these post war agreements, they don't
Speaker 12: want to touch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Tom, I want to get to this
Speaker 2: hilarious footage of Hugh Grant falling asleep at the final
Speaker 2: quarter final at wimbled And so the match wasn't riveting
Speaker 2: enough for him.
Speaker 3: It's seem apparently not.
Speaker 12: I mean it is worth rememberen Hugh Grant, even though
Speaker 12: he doesn't look at it. Sixty four years of age,
Speaker 12: so you know, a nice day sat out in the sun,
Speaker 12: maybe a few glasses of champagne and some strawberries and cream.
Speaker 12: You're ready for a little sleep after that. It's just
Speaker 12: unfortunately in his case, he's going to be caught on.
Speaker 2: Camera when the chairs just looked too uncomfortable to fall asleep.
Speaker 3: But I definitely couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I mean there's you know, there's not a head rest, nothing,
Speaker 2: No exactly.
Speaker 12: Let her out a snaw next to Camilla Parker bowls.
Speaker 8: It's not an ideal situation.
Speaker 3: She should have just wait, nudged him to wake him up.
Speaker 3: All right, Tom, Great, we'll see you and that's all.
Speaker 2: We have time for tonight. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your company this week. My holidays are a bit mixed
Speaker 2: in match, so I'm actually taking next week off.
Speaker 3: I'll be back in a couple of weeks. See you then.
Speaker 3: Stay safe, and here's Paul Murray and the Man Cave.