WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 9 January 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome to the Late Debates. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.560 Welcome to the Late Debate. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.640 I'm Caroline Marquez, joined tonight by Sky News contributors Joe 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.239 Hildebrand and Louise Roberts. Now we start tonight with our 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.840 delusional prime minister who reckons he'd be better placed than 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:26.960 Peter Dutton to forge a productive relationship with Donald Trump. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.320 Dalim's dreaming. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:32.280 Quality. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.160 Anthony Albernizi argues. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.320 It's his close ties with Indo Pacific leaders which makes 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.280 him valuable to the incoming US president, telling the Australian 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:48.839 newspaper Peter Dutton has not developed relationships with other people. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.400 Around our region and around the world. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.640 Well, I guess Albo's hoping Trump won't have noticed comments 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.160 he made during Trump's first presidency. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.960 A lines with the US, we're going to deal with him. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.600 But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it. He 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:11.360 scares acad of me, and I think it's some concern 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.280 that the leader of the free world thinks that you 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.800 can conduct politics through one hundred and forty characters on Twitter. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:26.080 So between Anthony Albanisi and Ambassador to the US Kevin Rudd, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.600 Luise I frankly don't know how Albo. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.559 Will be able to brown nose his way out. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.119 Of this one, but I'm sure he'll try. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.759 But I mean, this sort of mazing waiting routine he's 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.000 trying to strike up is absolutely laughable because Trump's whole 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.560 brand is you know, personal rapport, and he's also got 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.600 a very long memory, particularly for insults, as you said, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.200 so he'll remember that, he remember Rudd having a crack 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.000 at him as well. And I just don't think he 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.640 sees Albanesi as a world statesman in the same way 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.920 he views himself as well as somebody who can carry 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.720 on to in the next election. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.200 Even beyond that as well, no one sees him. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:01.680 As well. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:04.720 Wants as a world statesman. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:09.080 I know, Albo John Trump that is Look, I actually 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.040 don't think there's a problem with this as well. Donald Trump, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.680 for all the people go on about how you know 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.120 he's you know, he'll destroy everyone. In his past, Donald 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.240 Trump has proven himself time and time again to be 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.720 incredibly magnanimous. He's been there's virtually, you know, no one 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.440 on the planet who hasn't been critical of him. I mean, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.079 he's been critical of himself. He's had that many different positions. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.000 He was a Democrat and he was a Republican. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.560 And you know his running mate jd Vance famously was 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.440 extremely critical of him and then said, well, I've changed 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.800 my mind. Joe Scarborough the Morning Joe People on MSNBC. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.240 Who you know, like if you look up nauseating East 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.799 Coast elites in the Oxford Dictionary, it has a picture 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.919 of those two. But they were invited to Mary Lago 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.240 and Jen. Trump says, look, come and show you know. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.200 This is what you got wrong, this is what you're 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.440 missing out on. And the day, to their credit, went 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.200 to find out how they had completely miss the American 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.280 people misread the mood of the nation of the election. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.120 So Trump is shown that I don't think he knows 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:11.000 or particularly cares who almost anyone outside his immediate inner 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.600 circle is. So I don't I think somebody actually need 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.040 to sit down and explain who. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.320 Kevin Rudd was aware of, who he said. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.320 He was, he was, well, he was told who Kevin 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.440 was told who he said he was told who Kevin 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.160 Rudd was. And as often happens, this is why he's 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.720 so much fun. As often happens, when Trump gets told 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.440 something said oh yeah, yeah, that he's nasty, he's nasty. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.760 She told him that's that's right, so. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.120 He can't hold brudgers. But you're right, there have been 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.240 cent not if people. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.480 But not if people say they have to do enough. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.040 They have to do enough sucking up the ring. They 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.440 have kissed the ring. And I don't know. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.560 Will be exactly what value does album is you hold 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:52.840 for him? 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.200 And he's sort of it's not you know, he's not 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.160 hosting something called a networking event. He's got to have 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.480 legitimate value to Trump to be part of that in 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:00.240 a circle. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.320 I think if Albo can give Trump, and this is 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.560 what he's saying, if Albo can give Trump access and 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.920 insight to what he needs to do to operate in 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.920 the specific region in order to counter the influence of China, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.720 which is Trump's number one priority. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.200 Despite what he says about. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.760 Canada and Mexico, China is the only credible sort of 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:26.000 rival to or threat to the US, and China is 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.960 building its own empire, a soft power empire, which you 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.960 know in China is pretty hard power in the a 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.320 specific regions then, and that is why we've got a 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.479 football team in Papua New Guinea now to stop China 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.120 from buying it off. With hundreds of millions of dollars. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.039 That's why we've entered deals with the Solomon Islands to 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.640 stop China parking its warships there. So I think I 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.440 think Albo can offer that kind of insight and then 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.080 again with anything to Trump and say, look, this is 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.840 what you need to know, this is how you can 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:57.640 go and do all this. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.279 These are the players. This is what you're saying, John, how. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:02.960 To be a handsome boy. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:08.200 Then hands together, that's right. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.280 Look. Meantime, Anthony Alberizi appears to. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.240 Be trying on Trump's tough guy persona precize in an 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.080 interview with the Daily Telegraph, the PM has ripped into 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:24.200 both the Greens and the Coalition, blaming both for housing. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.200 And migration issues. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:29.560 Now he's blamed the Coalition for manipulating the migration system, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.119 saying that COVID visas was still in place when Labor 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.920 came into office, and he's accused the Greens of opposing 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.359 every one of his government's housing measures. Joe, do you 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.240 think that this tough language works well for Albo? 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.400 Shows he's scene the light and so he's doing the 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.080 classic sort of you know, the classic sort of reverse 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.960 for the Row Chambeau where he's kicking the coalition in 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:57.240 the nuts over being too soft on migration and so that, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.240 of course, and also to to sort of you can 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.600 little and lock down about COVID. Oh these guys, they 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.320 still had COVID visas. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.560 When we came to power. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.440 Labor States during Absolutely, look. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.960 I was incredibly critical of the Labour States response during 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.479 COVID and absolutely ferociously so. And they were insane, and 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.039 I was believed or not. I went crooked at Albow 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:25.600 for for reintroducing COVID tests for Chinese visitors coming here, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.280 which was done as a kind of diplomatic way to 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:30.040 put pressure on. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.240 Where that latest outbreak was. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.320 But of course I was doing live talkback radio at 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.080 the time, and I had all these people saying, oh 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.960 my god, COVID's out there again, COVID out there again. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:39.400 We need to shut the borders, shut the borders. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.480 I'm like, holy crap, this is just repeating the exact 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.200 same mistakes that we are now still trying to recover from. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.520 But having said all that, you know, that's done and dusted, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.520 that's the past. He is now trying to outflank the 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.160 Coalition on the right, and he's also smashing the Greens, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.840 these humorous little trots who were the most anti Semitic, repulsive, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:06.240 anti economic, horrible, you know, literal, unreconstructed leftist forced this 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.000 toxic sort of scurge in Australian politics, and he has 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.320 been smashing them up. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:11.680 Say what you like about the guy. I have no 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:12.600 argument there. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.120 About the Greens day. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.200 Yes, he might talk tough, Joe, and no argument from 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.400 me about your characterization of the Greens. But Luis Albanezi 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.440 has refused to say whether he would put it, refuse 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.920 to rule out preference deals with the Greens, So all 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.800 of that means very little at the end of the day. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.600 Well, I think most people know if you vote labor 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.360 sometimes you vote may end up including the Greens as well. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.640 So but I don't know. I agree with what you're saying, Joe. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.200 But at the same time I think that Albanezi, by 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.600 blaming the Greens and the Coalition was doing a bit 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.080 of a dog gate my homework routine, like not really 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.600 taking responsibility of something which he could have been more 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:49.400 effective about. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.720 How's yeah, But the thing is he can't conjure up 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.000 he can't conjure up a majority. 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:55.200 In the Senate. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.720 You know, he can't pretend that he's got a majority 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.760 and just pass things through. He does need to rely 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.120 on either coalition or the Greens. And yes, of course 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.840 every government in the world is going to blame you know, 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.920 the crossbench or the opposition. And you know you could say, well, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.679 why didn't he win more seats in the first place, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.680 But I'm just saying it is just so good refreshing 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:18.600 to see labor acting tough on things like migration, acting 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.960 not like crazy chicken littles on COVID, and just toweling 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:22.480 up the Green. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.920 Yes, it was so easy, I feel, to act like 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.800 not like chicken little now on COVID when we're like, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:29.400 well over the pandemic. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:31.760 Therese are lessons that a lot of us, and you 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.440 were among them, were saying at the time, people, Oh, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:34.760 we did. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.560 As I told you, because she told you. You were 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:40.560 told you did know. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.600 You were just cowardly fools who refused to believe it 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.959 and thought you're all about the science. But it turns out, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.400 according to every review, since you were complete and utter 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.120 COVID denial us, well, all of the story. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.040 I think we can call them that roll of the story. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.480 They need to listen to us more often, starting right now. Look, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.440 a day after saying he wouldn't rule out using military 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.000 force to. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:06.600 Take over Greenland and the Panama Canal, Trump has said 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.360 that he worked will out using economic force to take 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.439 over Canada. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.000 Are you also considering a military force to. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:20.000 An exit acquired no economic force? Because Canada and the 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.000 United States? That would really be something? 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.720 And now Trump supporters are pushing him to seize control 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:34.160 of another country closer to home ours. This tweet from 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:39.440 conservative US journalist Chadwick Moore was retweeted thousands of times. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.600 It said I don't want to give Trump any more ideas, 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.720 but these guys don't have guns anymore. And the responses 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:53.400 included enthusiasm for the idea from some Australians to remind 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.720 us that we are the country that produced raygun. Look, Joe, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.840 I would take Trump over ALBANUZI any day. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.520 I know you won't. Why not? 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.240 But I have to say I do hate this idea 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.160 that we are somehow poorer in Australia because of our 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:10.840 gun laws. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.920 I mean, the US is obviously a very. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.240 Different place to US with its right to bear arms, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.720 but I think most Australians would agree the fact we 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.559 have farmer shootings here. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.240 It makes us a better. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.280 Place, not when America invades us and makes us it's 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.319 the military. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:27.960 Still has them. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.240 They need to remember. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.160 When New Zealand basically got rid of all its military 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.160 and everyone in Australia just went right doing the rounds 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:37.920 and you know it had some poor little guy sitting 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.920 in a diggy, you know, over a little water pistol. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.520 This is the New Zealand coastcard. I just love this 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.520 all so much. I love the fact that you know, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.120 Donald Trump and the Graby showed there. So do you 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.080 seriously be you know, we're seriously saying we're going to 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.120 take over Canada and make it our fifty first state 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.880 U seeing military force and trucks. 0:10:55.080 --> 0:11:01.680 No, not military force, economic force, all right, serious, fantastic. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:03.520 It's just hilarious. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.280 And that is actually the same way I feel about 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.480 our brothers and sisters in New Zealand, because I reckon 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.160 Australia and New Zealand should become the one country of 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.960 Australasia and we could all share in the bounties of 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.280 you know, whatever it is New Zealand has to offer. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.080 And our stuff we've got sheep, that's right, we eat 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:28.120 in Australia, but you know that's fine. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.080 Don't go earlier times love eight pm snaijo, not the 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.959 usual ten o'clock for those kinds of sheep jokes. Louise, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.440 should we become the fifty third US state? 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.680 And some people look, it's a nice idea, but it 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:41.360 was clearly a joke. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.800 But what I thought was interesting is the take up 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.040 it got a lot of people are very enthusiastic about 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.240 more American involvement with Australia, and I look on more 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.400 for strengthening ties with Trump obviously as you are too so, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:58.360 but yeah, actually becoming fifty third stay probably not well. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.400 Make the Greenland then are yes? 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:01.920 And Panama Canada? 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:03.640 Yeah, I thought he was just one of the water 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:05.480 in Panamas a whole lot. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:06.640 It sounds like it. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.320 Who knows, who honestly knows? Make Australia cronic? 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.440 Can I say? Look? 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.320 Staying on Trump and the Mexican president has responded to 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.679 the US leader's intention to rename the Gulf of Mexico 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.880 the Gulf of America. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.200 Mammos America a Mexican. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.600 She wants to call it Mexican America. In case you 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.680 couldn't read it then subtitles underneath the captions and watching 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.120 that President Trump's just plonked a seventy five percent tariff 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.520 on Mexican imports. I'm told Louise, I mean, I don't 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.480 think anyone can do Trump like Trump can do Trump. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.480 And when they tried, it is a little bit sad. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.360 Look, I think she wanted this to be her micro 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.720 drop moment. So she was saying to Trump, if you 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.760 think you're going to take over and rewrite history, forget it. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.880 Here I am with the map which proves that we're separate, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.960 engesting you can't take us own, and had a bit 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.480 of a joke herself in renaming America. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.560 So, yeah, Trump does Trump. I look, those tariffs are 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:08.520 going to be absolutely crippling. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:10.880 That's the thing is that Trump does Trump, and he 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.000 does all the all the sort of big song and 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.079 dance routine, all the bright shining lights, look over here, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.000 and then he just bang something over there. And we 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:20.960 saw this with all a lot of the announcement of 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.720 his cabinet, and you know, he throws in one guy 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.679 who he knows is never going to get over the line. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.880 Everyone's hyperventilating about him. The new Attorney General I think 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.520 it was. And in the meantime he gets just everything 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.120 else he wants all through. And so again people four 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.599 for this kind of what they think, people on the 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:38.800 left for what they. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.000 Think is this kind of buffoonery. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.640 But while he's talking about all this stuff, he is 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.600 just smacking these tariffs on it. And what is you know, 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.840 what is going to happen here? They will say, so 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.440 say all right, all right, all right, just cut the 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.800 tariffs to fifty percent or cut in twenty five percent. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.080 Yeah you know, And Canada is all right, all right, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:55.559 we'll give you. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.520 We'll do thirty percent tariffs, but please don't invade us 0:13:58.520 --> 0:13:59.760 and make us kick you first. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.959 It works, doesn't it. It's all about the art of. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.520 The deal, and he has really shown that to be 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.440 his forte. He's a wellness, he's a billionaire, exactly, He's. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.439 One of the world's greatest negotiators. He's proven that time 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:12.920 master time. But the fact that he's back in the 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.120 White House, that's a testament to that, doesn't it. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:15.520 Again? 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.440 But again, like if he went to Canada or Mexico 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.480 and said, all right, twenty five percent tariffs, I would say. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.360 Are you if he's kidding me? 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.560 You create twenty five No, absolutely, no way, blah blah 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.920 blah blah. And he just goes right in, drops this 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.920 giant bomb, and I can guarantee you'll have you'll have 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.840 Mexico saying, you know what, call it the Gulf of America. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.160 Just leave us with twenty five percent, please exactly. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.360 And you know what, it is already having an impact 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.600 because Mexico has been working hard to break up migrant 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.840 caravans that are heading to the US border already ahead 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.440 of Trump's inauguration, in order to avoid that threatened. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.720 Twenty five percent tariff on goods. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.960 Now, the Mexican government has been dispersing migrants across the 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.640 country to keep them as far away from the US 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.920 border as possible, including dropping them off at the once 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:20.960 famous Moorist destination of Acapocook Who Comes the Sun. Look, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.840 it's not so much an Elvis film set anymore. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.240 It's more of an organized crime spot and one of the. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.720 Highest homicide rates in the world there. But authorities are 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.600 dropping off bus loads of migrants there under this new 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.520 policy of dispersion and exhaustion. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:37.320 Joe. 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.120 You know, as I. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.080 Said, Trump hasn't even got into office already, and this 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.400 strong talk is already working. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.600 Yeah, exactly. And again it's this sort of madman diplomacy. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.880 It's like, holy god, you know, this guy's crazy. We 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.760 don't know what he's going to do. We better all 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.680 behave I keep saying. It's like when you've been you know, 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.280 fighting with your brother and sister all day and making 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.960 absolute you know, wrecking the house, and then you know, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.040 your dad's coming home is really angry and something. 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.240 We're better, you know, we don't know what he's going 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:04.720 to do. We better for our best behavior. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.320 And half lately exactly right. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.200 Your mum's coming home, which is really angry. I'm the pushover. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.760 But again, it's like and it's just like what the 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.040 southern governors and mayors did when they you know, what 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.880 Ronda Sanders did in Florida when he said, right, okay, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.920 you're not going to you're not going to shut our borders, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.640 you're not going to protect our borders. We're going to 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.200 fly all these guys to Martha's vineyard see if you're 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.520 like it there. And it is amazing how quickly the 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.280 nature of the debate changes when you have these sort 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.440 of you know, again, these affluent East Coast elite progressive 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.960 suddenly have this migrant crisis right on their own doorsteps. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.000 Suddenly it's intolerable. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.120 Suddenly, no, no, no, this is not my dog, This 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:47.960 is not what meant at all. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.640 Oh no, this is outrageous behavior. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.440 This is Remember when they tried to take some of 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:56.120 them to Saint Martha's beenyard. It was a completely I 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.920 shouldn't say safe, but it was Martha's been in and 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:00.920 they just wouldn't have bar But would. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.440 They absolutely that's a very exclusive, you know, weekend of 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.600 bolthole straight out of New York. So the fact that, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.600 as Joe says, championing their calls and raising funds and 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.119 having all these beautiful lavish dinners to you know, put 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.760 the kids through school, et cetera, when it was. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.040 On their doorsteps, they were mortified. They did not they 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.040 would not leave the city. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.600 You put them in Akapolca or cankun. I reckon, it's 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.119 got to be be a bit worried right now. And 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:22.440 were you next guy? 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.399 And suddenly you will find something can get done. Suddenly 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.840 this is intractable problem that we all have to work 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.760 live with if you live in ol Paso, but not 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:31.480 anywhere else. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.639 And next the wall. It's coming, folks. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.720 And meanwhile, Trump has blamed California Governor Gavin Newsom for 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:44.119 the widespread havoc caused by the California wildfires. Five people 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.199 are dead and more than eleven hundred buildings have been 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.520 destroyed by out of control wildfires burning around Los Angeles. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:58.800 Trump posted to his platform truth social governor newscom news cumcum, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.440 I gotta say, I got to keep this clean, Governor 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.080 new scum, this spelling intended. Refused to sign the water 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.600 restoration Declaration that would have allowed millions of gallons of 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.960 water to flow daily into many parts of California, including 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.120 the areas that are currently burning in a virtually apocalyptic way. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.120 He wanted to protect an essentially worthless fish called a smelt. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.040 He is to blame for this. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:33.720 In fact, Trump warned about this sacrifice in California water 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.960 for this fish, the smelt, back when he did the 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.760 Joe Rogan podcast weeks before the election. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:45.280 In order to protect atony little fish, the water up 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.920 north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.600 of gallons of water gets poured. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:19:00.600 Now, a Newsome spokesperson has heaped back accusing Trump of politicized. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.479 As the fires. But I mean, doesn't look left already 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:03.879 do that. 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.639 I mean, all this talk about climate change being responsible for. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.119 It, I thought the time to talk about it was now. No, 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.600 this is the time to talk about didn't the fire 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:14.960 hydrants actually run out of water? 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:15.560 They did? 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.680 They did? Yes, how does that happen? I don't. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.960 California's already run out of power multiple times as constant brownouts. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.840 But again, if a fire hydrant runs out of water, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.960 that seems to me a pretty like that is as 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.800 big a failure of government service as you can possibly get. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.320 I mean, I don't know much about firefighting, but I 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.520 do know that the one thing a firefight hydrant is. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:40.840 Meant to have in it is water. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.960 And I would not have believed Trump's crazy story about 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.359 the fish were it not, of course, that the exact 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.120