1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoge Production. 2 00:00:10,801 --> 00:00:12,441 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. 3 00:00:12,641 --> 00:00:15,401 Speaker 3: I am Neil the Muscle comments and in this episode 4 00:00:15,481 --> 00:00:18,601 Speaker 3: I speak with Kim Hollingsworth about corruption in the. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,521 Speaker 1: Cross and next thing, I'm not kidding, he shoves he's 6 00:00:22,521 --> 00:00:25,521 Speaker 1: erect penis right down my fucking throat and ejaculates. 7 00:00:25,681 --> 00:00:28,841 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so it was that bad with police coming 8 00:00:28,841 --> 00:00:30,201 Speaker 2: in to getting previews in the like around. 9 00:00:31,161 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the police ran the show that we're making much 10 00:00:33,441 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: more money than this is the twist. 11 00:00:35,441 --> 00:00:36,281 Speaker 2: This is awful. 12 00:00:36,361 --> 00:00:40,801 Speaker 1: It tasted so nice and sweet. I said, oh he's 13 00:00:41,321 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: he's out the front with this bunch of red roses. 14 00:00:44,721 --> 00:00:47,881 Speaker 1: I'm ah, fuck off. And he offered me twelve thousand dollars. 15 00:00:47,921 --> 00:00:50,081 Speaker 1: He wanted me to start a business, he wanted me 16 00:00:50,081 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: to get well, get out of hooking anything. And I 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,841 Speaker 1: just said, no, I'm going to the brothel. 18 00:00:58,241 --> 00:01:00,481 Speaker 2: Tell me about corruption in the in the brothels with 19 00:01:00,521 --> 00:01:00,961 Speaker 2: the council. 20 00:01:01,321 --> 00:01:03,481 Speaker 1: Oh, the council. So what happened was during the Wood 21 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:07,721 Speaker 1: Royal Commission the police. The police were banned from the 22 00:01:07,721 --> 00:01:11,241 Speaker 1: brothels because there was so much going on in brothels 23 00:01:11,441 --> 00:01:13,961 Speaker 1: and there was such a nexus between police and brothels. 24 00:01:14,321 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: So what they did was close that loophole. So police 25 00:01:16,801 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: now had to get a warrant to enter a brothel 26 00:01:19,961 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: where else they could go there on like a business check. 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: But you know, they kind of cut out most of it. 28 00:01:24,801 --> 00:01:28,041 Speaker 1: So what happened was the councils took over literally policing 29 00:01:28,041 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the brothels and it became a council issue. I do 30 00:01:32,441 --> 00:01:38,321 Speaker 1: know quite recently there were four council members sacked. One 31 00:01:38,321 --> 00:01:41,041 Speaker 1: of those council members was an ex New South Wales 32 00:01:41,081 --> 00:01:47,121 Speaker 1: police officer who was sacked. What these council workers would do, 33 00:01:47,601 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: and you know how everyone says council workers are lazy, 34 00:01:50,001 --> 00:01:53,241 Speaker 1: they just stand there and do nothing. Well, this lot 35 00:01:53,281 --> 00:01:57,441 Speaker 1: would take the council vehicle and they would drive to 36 00:01:58,001 --> 00:02:00,801 Speaker 1: normally an Asian brothel, and what they would do is 37 00:02:00,801 --> 00:02:03,041 Speaker 1: they'd stand over the brothels. So they'd go and say, well, 38 00:02:03,121 --> 00:02:04,681 Speaker 1: you know, we're from the council. We're going to shut 39 00:02:04,721 --> 00:02:09,521 Speaker 1: you down if we don't all get free sex. And 40 00:02:10,241 --> 00:02:13,361 Speaker 1: the Asian people were terrified because they knew the council 41 00:02:13,401 --> 00:02:16,041 Speaker 1: could shut them down, so they shunted them in rooms 42 00:02:16,081 --> 00:02:19,041 Speaker 1: with girls. So what it was just this wrought that 43 00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:22,921 Speaker 1: the council had gotten onto. So you closed that loophole 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,481 Speaker 1: with police, but you opened it up with counsel. So 45 00:02:25,481 --> 00:02:31,561 Speaker 1: it's corruption everywhere. Ah, I know it was going on 46 00:02:31,601 --> 00:02:36,641 Speaker 1: this year recently, very very recent, very very recent. And 47 00:02:36,761 --> 00:02:39,681 Speaker 1: last year yeah, this year and last year was going 48 00:02:39,721 --> 00:02:41,921 Speaker 1: on and for that long, Yeah, for that long, and 49 00:02:41,921 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: they had now been sacked, four of them, one's ex 50 00:02:44,921 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: New South Wales police. Wow, true story? 51 00:02:49,601 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: Was it? Was it worse? Was it worse back in 52 00:02:51,841 --> 00:02:54,001 Speaker 2: back when you were there or was it. 53 00:02:53,881 --> 00:02:55,681 Speaker 1: Not with the council because we weren't scared of the 54 00:02:55,721 --> 00:02:59,721 Speaker 1: council because council couldn't do anything, you know, we were 55 00:02:59,761 --> 00:03:02,201 Speaker 1: worried when the police came in. But the police were 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,161 Speaker 1: all corrupt, so you would you know that the. 57 00:03:05,161 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: Police police sometimes? 58 00:03:07,321 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 59 00:03:07,561 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a freebie once. 60 00:03:08,641 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: And I broke the bed from doing what. 61 00:03:11,361 --> 00:03:13,601 Speaker 1: On the bed with the cop for the free for fun? 62 00:03:14,161 --> 00:03:16,721 Speaker 2: So you actually did do it? Did you do? Yeah? 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: No, I did my. 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,561 Speaker 2: One that you didn't know? 65 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,561 Speaker 1: Why would I It was just fun. 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,761 Speaker 3: I don't understand yet how no one could figure out 67 00:03:29,921 --> 00:03:31,281 Speaker 3: your little scheme that you. 68 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,641 Speaker 1: Well, excuse me, Neil, but I testified in court and 69 00:03:35,761 --> 00:03:39,801 Speaker 1: I testified in the court in front of the police, 70 00:03:39,881 --> 00:03:42,241 Speaker 1: in front of everybody, in front of all the media. 71 00:03:43,041 --> 00:03:48,441 Speaker 1: How you do that? Because at the senior member, the 72 00:03:48,881 --> 00:03:51,721 Speaker 1: judge there, he just couldn't get his. 73 00:03:51,601 --> 00:03:53,601 Speaker 2: Head around I can't I'm trying to figure out. 74 00:03:54,081 --> 00:03:55,761 Speaker 1: So I had to show him. I was in the 75 00:03:55,761 --> 00:03:58,881 Speaker 1: witness stand and it was just full of media. It's 76 00:03:58,921 --> 00:04:01,681 Speaker 1: full of police, full of media, and outside there was 77 00:04:01,721 --> 00:04:04,561 Speaker 1: a lot of media and a lot of police witnesses. 78 00:04:05,161 --> 00:04:07,761 Speaker 1: And I remember being told by the solicitors, you know, 79 00:04:07,961 --> 00:04:11,881 Speaker 1: just tone yourself down a bit, because I was really 80 00:04:11,921 --> 00:04:15,041 Speaker 1: wild and everything, and I was angry the police had 81 00:04:15,041 --> 00:04:17,001 Speaker 1: done this to me. So they just said, you know, 82 00:04:17,081 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: just answer the questions. They didn't prepare me at all, 83 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: but they did say, don't go showing anyone that you 84 00:04:22,641 --> 00:04:25,401 Speaker 1: know blah blah blah. But then anyway, I had mentioned 85 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,801 Speaker 1: it while I was giving, I was on the I 86 00:04:27,841 --> 00:04:31,241 Speaker 1: was been cross examiner for four days then, and so 87 00:04:31,521 --> 00:04:35,241 Speaker 1: they'd asked about it, and then they accused the police 88 00:04:36,961 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: barrister accused me of being a fraud, committing fraud, and 89 00:04:41,961 --> 00:04:45,321 Speaker 1: then the senior member and he said, well, hang on 90 00:04:45,361 --> 00:04:47,481 Speaker 1: a minute, don't answer that question, because we're what are 91 00:04:47,481 --> 00:04:49,681 Speaker 1: we going to do? Charge every hooker, who's done this? 92 00:04:50,241 --> 00:04:52,841 Speaker 1: You know? And then and he said, oh, how did 93 00:04:52,841 --> 00:04:54,961 Speaker 1: you do it? I said, well, the only way I 94 00:04:55,001 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: can do it is show you. And I said, if 95 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,041 Speaker 1: I tell you it's you know, you're not going to know. 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,721 Speaker 1: So I had I demonstrated it so that he could 97 00:05:03,761 --> 00:05:07,241 Speaker 1: see how it was done in every single position. And 98 00:05:07,281 --> 00:05:10,601 Speaker 1: then he was satisfied with that answer. And then the police, 99 00:05:11,721 --> 00:05:16,521 Speaker 1: they got the taxation department onto me. Yeah. Yeah, it 100 00:05:16,201 --> 00:05:21,041 Speaker 1: was in the Daily Telegraph back then, you know, so 101 00:05:21,041 --> 00:05:22,961 Speaker 1: so yes, Neil, it's true. 102 00:05:23,921 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: Excuse me, fuck, you've ripped off the coppers. 103 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,281 Speaker 3: You've ripped off the day of fucking America. 104 00:05:33,561 --> 00:05:35,801 Speaker 1: They started it, you know, So it was it. 105 00:05:35,801 --> 00:05:37,881 Speaker 3: It was that bad with police coming into getting freebies 106 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,561 Speaker 3: and like back in the day, they kind of run 107 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: the show. 108 00:05:42,561 --> 00:05:44,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, the police ran the show. They were making much 109 00:05:44,841 --> 00:05:46,641 Speaker 1: more money than us, would you. 110 00:05:46,641 --> 00:05:49,801 Speaker 3: Say, back in the day with the coppers being the 111 00:05:49,841 --> 00:05:53,681 Speaker 3: most corrupt, more than the the gangs. The underworld figures 112 00:05:54,361 --> 00:05:57,561 Speaker 3: that they also controlled the drug scene around the cross 113 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: the police. 114 00:06:00,681 --> 00:06:03,721 Speaker 1: Of course they did, because otherwise that nobody would have 115 00:06:03,801 --> 00:06:08,321 Speaker 1: gotten away with it. So the police were There was 116 00:06:08,361 --> 00:06:10,921 Speaker 1: a thing called the joke back then, the cross and 117 00:06:11,841 --> 00:06:15,241 Speaker 1: they were making money off the dealers, off the addicts, 118 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:18,561 Speaker 1: off everyone. You know that they didn't care as long 119 00:06:18,601 --> 00:06:20,161 Speaker 1: as they had the money. And it was actually in 120 00:06:20,241 --> 00:06:23,321 Speaker 1: brown paper bags. Back then, I did see a cop 121 00:06:23,361 --> 00:06:26,881 Speaker 1: in one brothel and he's putting his head down. I went, oh, fuck, 122 00:06:27,161 --> 00:06:29,041 Speaker 1: that smells a cop. And he's got the brown paper 123 00:06:29,041 --> 00:06:30,921 Speaker 1: bag and they put money in it for him. 124 00:06:31,401 --> 00:06:34,961 Speaker 2: So you know that was it really and the police 125 00:06:35,001 --> 00:06:37,801 Speaker 2: force who was corrupt? Or was it just the officers. 126 00:06:37,401 --> 00:06:40,121 Speaker 1: All the way at the top without hesitation. I can 127 00:06:40,161 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: say all the way the top, and I know that 128 00:06:41,521 --> 00:06:44,681 Speaker 1: one wow, all the way to the top. Why do 129 00:06:44,721 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: you think I got the sack? Yeah, because it was 130 00:06:48,481 --> 00:06:50,161 Speaker 1: all the way to the top. And I had a 131 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:52,201 Speaker 1: mouth on me and I was willing to talk, and 132 00:06:52,241 --> 00:06:54,641 Speaker 1: a lot of the things I didn't realize. I remember 133 00:06:55,041 --> 00:06:58,321 Speaker 1: walking along one day to court with the solicitor and 134 00:06:58,521 --> 00:07:04,481 Speaker 1: I just mentioned something and he went what And I went, yeah, 135 00:07:04,601 --> 00:07:06,361 Speaker 1: I said that told me which brothel to go to 136 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,601 Speaker 1: the Royal Commission And they go, what, you didn't tell 137 00:07:09,681 --> 00:07:11,801 Speaker 1: us this? And I said, I don't think it was 138 00:07:11,841 --> 00:07:14,641 Speaker 1: important because I was used to cops telling me which 139 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:17,801 Speaker 1: brothel to go to. And then they're on the phone 140 00:07:17,801 --> 00:07:20,041 Speaker 1: at the barrister and there was just all this commotion 141 00:07:20,441 --> 00:07:23,361 Speaker 1: and then they said, you know, we're going to ask 142 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:26,401 Speaker 1: you about this, and so yeah, went down in history. 143 00:07:26,401 --> 00:07:29,441 Speaker 1: That ended up in the paper and he lost his job. 144 00:07:30,321 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: Wow. 145 00:07:31,761 --> 00:07:34,961 Speaker 3: What about celebrities coming to your brothels? Did you meet 146 00:07:35,201 --> 00:07:37,241 Speaker 3: any of them? Like, did they have to comme or 147 00:07:37,441 --> 00:07:39,201 Speaker 3: they did not come in? It wasn't there things? 148 00:07:39,841 --> 00:07:42,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was something that came to my home. So yeah, 149 00:07:42,521 --> 00:07:43,441 Speaker 1: some celebrities came. 150 00:07:44,361 --> 00:07:45,801 Speaker 2: You would work from your home too? Yeah? 151 00:07:45,841 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: I worked from home. I saw clients from the brothel 152 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:48,761 Speaker 1: really Yeah. 153 00:07:48,841 --> 00:07:50,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, weren't you scared about that? 154 00:07:50,721 --> 00:07:53,201 Speaker 1: No, we were invincible. We didn't care. Yeah, they would 155 00:07:53,201 --> 00:07:54,961 Speaker 1: have killed us if they found out. But you know 156 00:07:55,401 --> 00:07:57,441 Speaker 1: that that was one of the things back then. We 157 00:07:57,481 --> 00:08:00,081 Speaker 1: all stole clients because we wanted all that money to ourselves. 158 00:08:00,081 --> 00:08:01,841 Speaker 1: We didn't want to give that cut to the pimp. 159 00:08:01,961 --> 00:08:02,161 Speaker 2: Yeah. 160 00:08:02,561 --> 00:08:04,721 Speaker 1: Yeah, except the King's Cross. I didn't. 161 00:08:06,161 --> 00:08:09,241 Speaker 3: You know because you said you worked at Okay, you 162 00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: worked at you worked at love Machine with Roger right. 163 00:08:11,601 --> 00:08:13,001 Speaker 2: Yes, but who was the pimp? 164 00:08:14,281 --> 00:08:14,441 Speaker 3: Ah? 165 00:08:14,681 --> 00:08:18,281 Speaker 1: Well I worked for Billy Bayer. So Billy Billy owned 166 00:08:18,361 --> 00:08:23,041 Speaker 1: Love Machine. Then so I guess Billy was the pimp 167 00:08:23,081 --> 00:08:26,681 Speaker 1: and Roger was managing it as my boss. I didn't 168 00:08:26,721 --> 00:08:29,481 Speaker 1: really know how it worked, didn't ask many questions. I 169 00:08:29,561 --> 00:08:31,041 Speaker 1: was too busy making money. 170 00:08:31,041 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to figure out. Then. Who 171 00:08:32,361 --> 00:08:32,881 Speaker 2: was the pimp? 172 00:08:33,201 --> 00:08:38,241 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah there was. I mean, Roger was always 173 00:08:38,561 --> 00:08:42,401 Speaker 1: looking after me in that sense. Roger was the manager 174 00:08:42,441 --> 00:08:46,001 Speaker 1: more than the Yeah, he was the manager. I know Billy. 175 00:08:46,081 --> 00:08:48,401 Speaker 1: I was working for Billy because I was introduced as 176 00:08:48,441 --> 00:08:52,721 Speaker 1: Billy being the boss. So, I mean, I guess we 177 00:08:52,761 --> 00:08:56,201 Speaker 1: didn't get involved in that side of things. We were 178 00:08:56,281 --> 00:08:58,481 Speaker 1: just happy to go home with thousands of dollars. 179 00:08:58,521 --> 00:09:00,521 Speaker 2: You know, what would you spend your money on. 180 00:09:01,161 --> 00:09:04,161 Speaker 1: I spent it on books. I loved books. I spent 181 00:09:04,241 --> 00:09:07,641 Speaker 1: it on dance lessons, horse riding lessons. 182 00:09:07,721 --> 00:09:10,241 Speaker 3: I can't believe that you weren't tempted by any of 183 00:09:10,241 --> 00:09:11,081 Speaker 3: the drugs back then. 184 00:09:11,401 --> 00:09:14,841 Speaker 1: No, not with what I saw. It was ugly. There 185 00:09:14,841 --> 00:09:16,401 Speaker 1: was a girl that touch a class, she died, She 186 00:09:16,441 --> 00:09:19,481 Speaker 1: odd in the bathtub. You know that. There were girls 187 00:09:19,561 --> 00:09:23,561 Speaker 1: dropping everywhere, and even even during jobs, there were girls 188 00:09:23,561 --> 00:09:26,761 Speaker 1: falling asleep and the client would try and do something. 189 00:09:26,801 --> 00:09:28,561 Speaker 1: If you were in a double and you'd have to 190 00:09:28,561 --> 00:09:32,121 Speaker 1: protect that girl because she's just you know, one. 191 00:09:32,001 --> 00:09:35,921 Speaker 3: Of the girls, because like odeed, Yeah, and you could 192 00:09:36,041 --> 00:09:39,401 Speaker 3: revive them. Would the bodies just be dealt with? 193 00:09:39,961 --> 00:09:40,161 Speaker 2: Well? 194 00:09:40,241 --> 00:09:42,001 Speaker 1: Yeah, normally that would you. 195 00:09:41,921 --> 00:09:43,881 Speaker 3: Call the ambulances or would you just go, no, we 196 00:09:43,921 --> 00:09:45,681 Speaker 3: can't have this, just fuck the body off somewhere. 197 00:09:45,721 --> 00:09:48,921 Speaker 1: Well, normally the ambulance service didn't care. So you try 198 00:09:48,961 --> 00:09:50,601 Speaker 1: not to make a triple O call so that the 199 00:09:50,601 --> 00:09:52,921 Speaker 1: police didn't come. Yeah, So you try to call the 200 00:09:52,961 --> 00:09:57,641 Speaker 1: ambulance directly, and because if you call Triple O, the 201 00:09:57,641 --> 00:09:59,921 Speaker 1: police are going to attend. Yeah. So the girls were 202 00:09:59,921 --> 00:10:03,041 Speaker 1: worried about what they'd take and everything, and that that 203 00:10:03,121 --> 00:10:04,801 Speaker 1: was the question. I'd always ask them, what if you 204 00:10:04,841 --> 00:10:08,681 Speaker 1: take tonight in case something happens, you know. So it 205 00:10:08,721 --> 00:10:14,521 Speaker 1: was and I hadn't like narcan for opioid overdose. Yeah, 206 00:10:14,561 --> 00:10:20,041 Speaker 1: so I kept training in that cookedon Road would do 207 00:10:20,121 --> 00:10:23,081 Speaker 1: that for free because I was just waiting for the 208 00:10:23,161 --> 00:10:25,681 Speaker 1: day that I had to use it. Unfortunately I never 209 00:10:25,801 --> 00:10:28,641 Speaker 1: had to use it. But it's just something that can 210 00:10:28,681 --> 00:10:31,801 Speaker 1: save lives. So it's terribly important if you're in that 211 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:35,601 Speaker 1: drug world to just have some Narcan there. And it's 212 00:10:35,641 --> 00:10:37,921 Speaker 1: just a nasal spray. Now, Yeah, it used to be 213 00:10:37,961 --> 00:10:40,561 Speaker 1: a needle. You used to have to stab it through 214 00:10:40,561 --> 00:10:43,921 Speaker 1: the clothes to revive people. Yeah, and then they didn't 215 00:10:43,921 --> 00:10:45,681 Speaker 1: get up again. The ambos on the way, you know, 216 00:10:45,841 --> 00:10:49,921 Speaker 1: do it again. Yeah, you have been assaulted by a claim, 217 00:10:50,841 --> 00:10:55,601 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, sexual assaulted, assaulted, anything when you've been booked 218 00:10:55,601 --> 00:10:57,281 Speaker 1: and they've just got a bit rough for anything like that. 219 00:10:57,801 --> 00:11:00,761 Speaker 1: This is a gross story. It's got a horrible twist 220 00:11:00,801 --> 00:11:03,641 Speaker 1: at the end, but I'll tell it. So when I 221 00:11:03,761 --> 00:11:08,721 Speaker 1: was twenty twenty one, I was twenty one. I was 222 00:11:08,761 --> 00:11:12,601 Speaker 1: working for VP Escorts and this client had rang up 223 00:11:12,641 --> 00:11:15,601 Speaker 1: and said he was from the Hilton Hotel in the city, 224 00:11:16,001 --> 00:11:20,161 Speaker 1: and he said, send me youngest freshest girl. And that's 225 00:11:20,161 --> 00:11:22,761 Speaker 1: all he would see was the young fresh ones. So 226 00:11:22,841 --> 00:11:26,801 Speaker 1: of course they sent me, and so I didn't know 227 00:11:26,841 --> 00:11:28,361 Speaker 1: what was going to happen. So I got all dressed 228 00:11:28,441 --> 00:11:31,601 Speaker 1: up and I remember, I'm pretty sure there were stairs 229 00:11:31,641 --> 00:11:33,881 Speaker 1: to walk up to the Hilton then, and the dorman 230 00:11:34,041 --> 00:11:36,001 Speaker 1: knew us all, you know, he knew the hooker was city. 231 00:11:36,041 --> 00:11:39,801 Speaker 1: Oh good evening, you know, And I was told that 232 00:11:39,881 --> 00:11:46,041 Speaker 1: this guy will be wearing a blue Safari suit like vomit. 233 00:11:46,161 --> 00:11:48,641 Speaker 1: You know, he got yuck, a blue Safari suit and 234 00:11:48,681 --> 00:11:50,841 Speaker 1: he'll be waiting in the foyer for you. So I 235 00:11:50,921 --> 00:11:53,841 Speaker 1: walk in and I see this blue Safari suit. Right. 236 00:11:54,161 --> 00:11:56,841 Speaker 1: I just said hi, you know, oh, are you my girl? 237 00:11:56,841 --> 00:11:57,841 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I'm your girl. 238 00:11:57,921 --> 00:11:58,121 Speaker 3: Yep. 239 00:11:58,161 --> 00:12:00,961 Speaker 1: So we went up in the lift. He paid the money. 240 00:12:01,081 --> 00:12:04,441 Speaker 1: That was no problem. Now this guy looked like your 241 00:12:04,441 --> 00:12:07,841 Speaker 1: friendly grandma pa, right he was. I mean I was 242 00:12:07,881 --> 00:12:11,041 Speaker 1: twenty one and he would have been I don't know, 243 00:12:11,041 --> 00:12:13,201 Speaker 1: maybe sixty something. Yeah. 244 00:12:13,321 --> 00:12:13,561 Speaker 2: Yeah. 245 00:12:13,561 --> 00:12:17,281 Speaker 1: They wanted young girls, and so he looked terribly old 246 00:12:17,281 --> 00:12:20,001 Speaker 1: to me. But anyway, I was there to do a job, 247 00:12:20,081 --> 00:12:23,201 Speaker 1: and so he said, oh, I've just got this really 248 00:12:23,281 --> 00:12:26,081 Speaker 1: simple fantasy and all be over, all be over. And 249 00:12:26,721 --> 00:12:29,121 Speaker 1: he kept calling me a little girl. It's like, oh, 250 00:12:29,201 --> 00:12:31,681 Speaker 1: you're a good little girl. Yeah, it'll be over soon. 251 00:12:31,721 --> 00:12:31,921 Speaker 3: You know. 252 00:12:32,281 --> 00:12:34,401 Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, oh, yeah, this is this is going 253 00:12:34,481 --> 00:12:37,001 Speaker 1: to be really easy. So I remember laying down on 254 00:12:37,041 --> 00:12:42,361 Speaker 1: the bed and he just said, I just need you 255 00:12:42,401 --> 00:12:44,561 Speaker 1: to shut your eyes. You know, I'm just going to 256 00:12:44,801 --> 00:12:46,921 Speaker 1: you know, look at your body laying there, you know, 257 00:12:46,961 --> 00:12:51,961 Speaker 1: with your eyes shut. And I said, oh, okay, And 258 00:12:52,001 --> 00:12:55,121 Speaker 1: I was kind of like peeking through my lashes and 259 00:12:55,321 --> 00:12:57,401 Speaker 1: he wasn't doing anything right, so I thought, oh, well, 260 00:12:57,441 --> 00:13:03,561 Speaker 1: he seems pretty trustworthy. And then he said, oh, just 261 00:13:04,001 --> 00:13:06,601 Speaker 1: you know, I just have this fantasy and you know, 262 00:13:06,681 --> 00:13:09,041 Speaker 1: spread your legs a little and just open your mouth 263 00:13:09,041 --> 00:13:12,601 Speaker 1: a little. So I did that right, And then I'm 264 00:13:12,641 --> 00:13:15,521 Speaker 1: just really closing my eyes right because I'm thinking, oh, 265 00:13:15,721 --> 00:13:18,041 Speaker 1: he probably wants like a blow up doll fantasy and 266 00:13:18,041 --> 00:13:21,801 Speaker 1: he doesn't want me to look at him, so I thought, okay, 267 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:24,921 Speaker 1: I'll do that. And then next thing, I'm not kidding, 268 00:13:24,961 --> 00:13:28,001 Speaker 1: he shoves he's erect penis right down my fucking throat 269 00:13:28,001 --> 00:13:28,801 Speaker 1: and ejaculates. 270 00:13:29,841 --> 00:13:30,721 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 271 00:13:30,881 --> 00:13:33,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the twist. This is awful. It 272 00:13:34,001 --> 00:13:39,881 Speaker 1: tasted so nice and sweet. I hate him saying it 273 00:13:39,881 --> 00:13:44,521 Speaker 1: it's awful, so sweet. It was just a bit of 274 00:13:44,601 --> 00:13:50,401 Speaker 1: sweet moment where I've just been sexually assaulted and he's there, Oh, 275 00:13:50,481 --> 00:13:53,481 Speaker 1: you're a good girl. You swallowed the lot, and I 276 00:13:53,641 --> 00:13:57,561 Speaker 1: just put my clothes on and walked out. So it 277 00:13:57,601 --> 00:14:01,641 Speaker 1: was my mind saying it just tasted sweet, that that 278 00:14:01,801 --> 00:14:06,841 Speaker 1: was the awful thing. I mean, when you think about it, 279 00:14:08,041 --> 00:14:09,881 Speaker 1: I'm laughing now, I wasn't at the time. 280 00:14:10,001 --> 00:14:13,481 Speaker 2: Now, so it's anotherful. 281 00:14:14,441 --> 00:14:17,841 Speaker 1: Literally like it was down there. I swear it was like, well, 282 00:14:18,121 --> 00:14:23,921 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, shut didn't I But I 283 00:14:24,001 --> 00:14:28,001 Speaker 1: trusted him and and that was that was just just 284 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:33,401 Speaker 1: this awful moment where I'd been assaulted, but you could 285 00:14:33,481 --> 00:14:35,041 Speaker 1: taste it and it was sweet. 286 00:14:35,361 --> 00:14:40,361 Speaker 2: Jesus. So tell me what about stalkers any stalkers? 287 00:14:40,481 --> 00:14:46,841 Speaker 1: Yes, stalkers were apart from boyfriends. It was client stalkers 288 00:14:46,841 --> 00:14:50,041 Speaker 1: if we're talking about Yeah, that's where you've got to 289 00:14:50,081 --> 00:14:52,281 Speaker 1: be careful. If you're going to steal clients from a brothel, 290 00:14:52,721 --> 00:14:57,201 Speaker 1: just watch yourself. Because I had one. He was a 291 00:14:57,561 --> 00:15:02,961 Speaker 1: perfect client, right, and he used to come every Sunday 292 00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:05,881 Speaker 1: and he pay the money. He's see me in my house. 293 00:15:05,921 --> 00:15:07,961 Speaker 1: So I stolen from the Golden Apple, see me in 294 00:15:08,001 --> 00:15:11,281 Speaker 1: my house, pay the money and leave. That was it easy. 295 00:15:12,201 --> 00:15:16,281 Speaker 1: So he did that, I think for eight months, and 296 00:15:16,321 --> 00:15:18,481 Speaker 1: then I decided I'm sick of this. You know, I 297 00:15:18,521 --> 00:15:21,721 Speaker 1: don't want to see people from home anymore. And so 298 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:24,201 Speaker 1: I just kind of politely told him, look, you know, 299 00:15:24,241 --> 00:15:25,841 Speaker 1: I'm not going to see people from home anymore, but 300 00:15:25,881 --> 00:15:28,081 Speaker 1: I'll see you in the brothel, you know, come back 301 00:15:28,081 --> 00:15:33,081 Speaker 1: to the Apple and he lost it, lost it. You 302 00:15:33,201 --> 00:15:35,481 Speaker 1: left this message on my answering machine. Back then, it 303 00:15:35,521 --> 00:15:37,801 Speaker 1: was like, I've spent five thousand dollars on you, you 304 00:15:38,001 --> 00:15:41,921 Speaker 1: fucking slut. How dare you fucking do this to me? 305 00:15:42,481 --> 00:15:45,521 Speaker 1: You know you love me? All this sort of stuff, right, 306 00:15:45,921 --> 00:15:52,161 Speaker 1: And so I was like really scared because what happened 307 00:15:52,241 --> 00:15:53,681 Speaker 1: was new ye' Eve. I got dressed up, you know, 308 00:15:53,721 --> 00:15:57,281 Speaker 1: you go out new z Eve and trying to get 309 00:15:57,281 --> 00:16:01,921 Speaker 1: out the door, and I think my sister came around 310 00:16:02,361 --> 00:16:05,161 Speaker 1: and she said, oh, he's out the front with this 311 00:16:05,321 --> 00:16:09,681 Speaker 1: bunch of red roses. I'm oh, fuck off. So we 312 00:16:09,721 --> 00:16:12,521 Speaker 1: couldn't we couldn't go out. Yeah, we couldn't go out. 313 00:16:12,561 --> 00:16:15,441 Speaker 1: That news Eve was stuck in the house. And so 314 00:16:15,521 --> 00:16:18,561 Speaker 1: then what happened was I was seeing the copper at 315 00:16:18,601 --> 00:16:21,161 Speaker 1: the time, the married copper. Yeah, and so I told him. 316 00:16:21,201 --> 00:16:24,161 Speaker 1: So he came over and we invited him around, and 317 00:16:24,201 --> 00:16:27,521 Speaker 1: he got rid of him forever. Yeah, that was the 318 00:16:27,521 --> 00:16:30,361 Speaker 1: way you did things back then. Well he's alive. Yeah, 319 00:16:30,561 --> 00:16:31,081 Speaker 1: he's alive. 320 00:16:31,241 --> 00:16:32,001 Speaker 2: That was my next question. 321 00:16:32,081 --> 00:16:34,681 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was a staircase, yeah evolved. 322 00:16:34,721 --> 00:16:36,801 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was the only stork you really had. 323 00:16:38,881 --> 00:16:41,681 Speaker 1: There was, Oh, there was another one I remember at 324 00:16:41,721 --> 00:16:43,641 Speaker 1: Touch of Class when I worked at Touch of Class, 325 00:16:43,721 --> 00:16:48,601 Speaker 1: and this guy booked me for twelve hours, twelve hours, 326 00:16:48,601 --> 00:16:53,041 Speaker 1: twelve hours talk to me. Because he's penis. I put 327 00:16:53,041 --> 00:16:55,001 Speaker 1: my little finger next to it, and I've got nails. 328 00:16:55,041 --> 00:16:57,921 Speaker 1: But if you look at my finger, that's how big 329 00:16:57,921 --> 00:16:58,681 Speaker 1: his penis was. 330 00:16:58,841 --> 00:17:00,681 Speaker 2: I never forget that's the guy you needed. When that 331 00:17:00,761 --> 00:17:01,801 Speaker 2: went down your throat. 332 00:17:01,801 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 5: No, yeah, off, I should have picked it off, you know, 333 00:17:07,481 --> 00:17:10,521 Speaker 5: with hindsight, I think that because it was so quick 334 00:17:10,561 --> 00:17:12,481 Speaker 5: it was over, and I was just gurgling. 335 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: I was gurgling. I had to swallow because it couldn't 336 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: come up. 337 00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:18,001 Speaker 2: Yeah. 338 00:17:18,041 --> 00:17:22,001 Speaker 1: Back to the little finger. So I remember putting my 339 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: finger next to his dick, and he had children, and 340 00:17:24,241 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, that's really weird. How does he have 341 00:17:26,241 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: children with a dick that small? That's it was the 342 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,121 Speaker 1: smallest dick I've ever seen in my life. Right, I've 343 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: seen a lot of dick's neil anyway. 344 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 5: So. 345 00:17:36,241 --> 00:17:39,321 Speaker 1: This this guy just thought booked me, booked me, book me, 346 00:17:39,441 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: kept extending for hours. Twelve hours later he left and 347 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,041 Speaker 1: it was finished, and you know, we'd been talking and 348 00:17:47,201 --> 00:17:50,441 Speaker 1: no sexual activity. It was just talking, right, So then 349 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,801 Speaker 1: I went home. I was living at four Clues at 350 00:17:52,801 --> 00:17:55,681 Speaker 1: that time, and I went home and then I got 351 00:17:55,681 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: ready for the next shift, to go on the next shift, 352 00:17:58,241 --> 00:18:05,281 Speaker 1: and I remember I was getting in a cab on 353 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,321 Speaker 1: Old south Head Road and there he was and he goes, 354 00:18:12,321 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: I've been knocking on your door. I said, what the fuck? 355 00:18:16,521 --> 00:18:19,601 Speaker 1: How do you know where I live? So back then 356 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: what he'd done was because we'd have twelve hours of conversation, 357 00:18:24,681 --> 00:18:27,041 Speaker 1: and you know, I eventually trusted him. I was very young, 358 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,321 Speaker 1: and I told him, yeah. I told him I'd grown 359 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,281 Speaker 1: up in Melbourne, and I told him what primary school 360 00:18:32,281 --> 00:18:35,521 Speaker 1: I went to. From that, he rang the school, believe 361 00:18:35,521 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: it or not, pretending to be an ex student and 362 00:18:38,921 --> 00:18:40,921 Speaker 1: da da da dadah. From that he got my surname, 363 00:18:41,681 --> 00:18:43,801 Speaker 1: so we already had my real name because they always 364 00:18:43,801 --> 00:18:45,561 Speaker 1: want yeah, they always want to know your real name. 365 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: What's your real name? Who are you really? 366 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:47,801 Speaker 3: You know? 367 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,521 Speaker 1: So after twelve hours, you know, it's a long time 368 00:18:50,561 --> 00:18:53,281 Speaker 1: to talk to someone. So we got on really well. 369 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,721 Speaker 1: So from that call to the school, he then had 370 00:18:57,801 --> 00:19:01,961 Speaker 1: my full name. So then he rang a friend at 371 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: what was then Telecom now Telstra. He ran and said, 372 00:19:06,481 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: can you look up the address and the phone number. 373 00:19:10,201 --> 00:19:12,961 Speaker 1: I had a silent number, still got it and there 374 00:19:13,001 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: he found exactly where I live. So people have got 375 00:19:15,201 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: to be very careful. And he offered me twelve thousand dollars. 376 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: He wanted me to start a business. He wanted me 377 00:19:20,281 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: to get well, get out of hooking anything, and I 378 00:19:23,281 --> 00:19:25,961 Speaker 1: just said no, I'm going to brothel, got in the cabin, 379 00:19:26,001 --> 00:19:27,921 Speaker 1: went to the brothel. Never saw him again. 380 00:19:28,321 --> 00:19:28,761 Speaker 2: Wow. 381 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,921 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of money back then, twelve thousand, Yeah, 382 00:19:32,001 --> 00:19:32,721 Speaker 1: a lot of money. 383 00:19:33,761 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: Did you have any did you have any like clientele 384 00:19:36,961 --> 00:19:40,161 Speaker 3: like from I said before, like you know, celebrities and 385 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:41,041 Speaker 3: on the wall figures. 386 00:19:41,041 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: But what about the biking scene? 387 00:19:43,681 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 3: Like did he do any shows or go to any 388 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,601 Speaker 3: of the club houses. 389 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,561 Speaker 1: I've been to a clubhouse as a hooker. Yeah, I 390 00:19:50,561 --> 00:19:53,721 Speaker 1: didn't strip there. But I got called out and again 391 00:19:53,761 --> 00:19:55,001 Speaker 1: I was just given the address. 392 00:19:55,521 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: Was the address? Well, do you don't tell us? Sorry, 393 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,321 Speaker 2: can not tell me? Like where it is? Is it 394 00:20:04,321 --> 00:20:04,841 Speaker 2: in Sydney? 395 00:20:05,281 --> 00:20:12,921 Speaker 1: Yes? So yes, yes, okay, I'll say that much. There 396 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: you go, and I hate you. 397 00:20:17,921 --> 00:20:19,201 Speaker 2: I want to be there. I wanted the. 398 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: Top right, So I got called out and it was 399 00:20:25,561 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: I was just given an address and then anyway, I 400 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: can confirm it was not Bexley, but it was out west. 401 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: So so I rock up there and I'm kind of 402 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: looking and then there's this big bikey guy standing there 403 00:20:45,681 --> 00:20:48,561 Speaker 1: and then he kind of looked at me and said, oh, 404 00:20:48,561 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: you're the girl, and I said, yeah, i am, and 405 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: he goes, look, don't be scared. It's a clubhouse and 406 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,561 Speaker 1: we're all in there. And I've just been warned so 407 00:20:59,681 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: much about bikeies and don't go into the clubhouse. And 408 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: he said, look, we're not going to do anything to 409 00:21:03,961 --> 00:21:06,521 Speaker 1: hurt you, but we have someone and it was I 410 00:21:06,521 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: think his birthday and we want to get him a 411 00:21:10,681 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: girl for his birthday. And I said, oh, you know, 412 00:21:13,761 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm scared now, you know, and he goes, don't worry. 413 00:21:17,201 --> 00:21:20,041 Speaker 1: You know, all the guys are being spoken to. Nobody 414 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:20,761 Speaker 1: will touch you. 415 00:21:20,921 --> 00:21:21,161 Speaker 2: Right. 416 00:21:21,481 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm thinking, oh my god, these bikes are 417 00:21:23,681 --> 00:21:25,561 Speaker 1: going to hurt me. H And I forget to get 418 00:21:25,561 --> 00:21:30,321 Speaker 1: the money up front. So I'm up upstairs and then 419 00:21:30,321 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: I'll walk in and there's this little bikey guy and 420 00:21:34,281 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: he was so sweet and he was so kind, and 421 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: he swore me to secrecy as to what happened during 422 00:21:41,001 --> 00:21:45,481 Speaker 1: the hour, and I said, okay, don't don't worry. That's 423 00:21:45,561 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: that's fine. And I said, yeah, yeah, they were all 424 00:21:50,201 --> 00:21:54,361 Speaker 1: all in there. I'll give you a clue. It had 425 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: black black and then he yeah, so I was sworn 426 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: to secrecy. And then I realized, oh my god, I 427 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: haven't got the money, and I was so uncomfortable and 428 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,641 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. And then he just said, oh, 429 00:22:09,721 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, you can go now, and I said okay. 430 00:22:12,521 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: So I went downstairs and I just there was like 431 00:22:14,481 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: a bathing there and all the guys are there and 432 00:22:17,761 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: they're just not looking at me that it was just 433 00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:21,721 Speaker 1: like their eyes were all averted. 434 00:22:21,721 --> 00:22:23,281 Speaker 2: It was like you didn't exist. 435 00:22:23,681 --> 00:22:23,921 Speaker 4: Yeah. 436 00:22:24,001 --> 00:22:25,841 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even exist. And I'm like, oh, this 437 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,401 Speaker 1: is strange because I'm I would have expected them. 438 00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:30,801 Speaker 2: You should have expected all of them to train. 439 00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah and grabbed me, yeah, maull me and things like that. 440 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,001 Speaker 1: And so anyway, I saw the guy that i'd met 441 00:22:38,001 --> 00:22:39,561 Speaker 1: at the door and he said, oh, how much do 442 00:22:39,681 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: we owe you love? And I went oh, and I 443 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: think it was two fifty and he paid the money 444 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, don needs to get you a 445 00:22:49,681 --> 00:22:51,681 Speaker 1: cab or anything. And I said, oh no, I'll be right. 446 00:22:51,721 --> 00:22:54,041 Speaker 1: Thank you. Though he goes, oh, thank you so much. 447 00:22:54,281 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: How do you treat you? And I said, oh beautiful. 448 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,001 Speaker 1: You know, there's no problem, and that was it. So 449 00:22:59,281 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: for me, it wasn't a scary experience. But I do 450 00:23:02,761 --> 00:23:04,801 Speaker 1: know of girls that have been trapped in there, and 451 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,041 Speaker 1: Lisa said, we just want the girls out. Send the girl, 452 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,281 Speaker 1: you know, let us get the girls. So you still 453 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:14,721 Speaker 1: have to be careful. But I've never had a bad 454 00:23:14,761 --> 00:23:18,561 Speaker 1: experience with the bike here. I remember one well, someone came, 455 00:23:19,201 --> 00:23:20,681 Speaker 1: brothers for life. Are they biking? 456 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,081 Speaker 2: It's an organized gang? 457 00:23:23,441 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well what happened was I was in the 458 00:23:26,241 --> 00:23:28,481 Speaker 1: brothel one day and there was a big guy there 459 00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: and he goes, you, I want to see you, and 460 00:23:31,961 --> 00:23:33,681 Speaker 1: I just took one look at him and I went 461 00:23:33,761 --> 00:23:35,801 Speaker 1: because I didn't like to see the kind of better 462 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,321 Speaker 1: looking guys. I didn't like that and I wanted them 463 00:23:38,321 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: really ugly, so I didn't care, right, And then he goes, 464 00:23:42,481 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: I want to see you, and I said I can't. 465 00:23:44,681 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: Fuck no, the answer is no, and I'll go to 466 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: walk away. He goes, no, no, no, I really want to 467 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: see you. And I said I'm not seeing you. I 468 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: can tell you're a cunt and I'm not seeing you. 469 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,441 Speaker 1: That's it. Go and see someone else. I don't care. 470 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,881 Speaker 1: He goes, no, I want you. And so anyway, I 471 00:24:01,041 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: negotiated with him and then he said, well, what if 472 00:24:03,441 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: you just give me a massage. I said, you touch me, 473 00:24:05,201 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you. And I said, this is 474 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,961 Speaker 1: not about touching this. You know, you've got to pay 475 00:24:08,961 --> 00:24:11,561 Speaker 1: full price, even though I'm just massaging you, and that's 476 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: all you're getting. You're getting nothing. It's not rub and tug, 477 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,801 Speaker 1: it's just a massage. He said that, you know, I'm 478 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,561 Speaker 1: fine with that. I just want to see you though, 479 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: So I said okay. So went into the room. He 480 00:24:21,481 --> 00:24:24,761 Speaker 1: takes off his shirt and he lays down and I 481 00:24:24,801 --> 00:24:28,201 Speaker 1: see his brothers for Life tattoo, and I'm like, oh 482 00:24:28,281 --> 00:24:30,801 Speaker 1: my god. So I gave him the best massage he's 483 00:24:30,801 --> 00:24:33,281 Speaker 1: ever had in his life. I was shitting myself. Yeah, 484 00:24:33,441 --> 00:24:36,481 Speaker 1: didn't touch me, didn't do anything wrong. Said time must 485 00:24:36,561 --> 00:24:38,281 Speaker 1: be almost up, and I said we've got five more 486 00:24:38,281 --> 00:24:40,481 Speaker 1: minutes and he said, oh, yeah, no, that's fine, we can. 487 00:24:40,761 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: I can finish now, and just left. Well, yeah, so 488 00:24:44,521 --> 00:24:47,761 Speaker 1: it's you hear of all these bad things that about them. 489 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,681 Speaker 2: Yeah, but usually they're just the polite and nice people 490 00:24:50,761 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: some of them. I'm respectful. 491 00:24:52,561 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never had a bad experience with a bikey 492 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: with you know this Brothers for Life with that. There 493 00:25:00,761 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: was another instance in the brothel where somebody who who 494 00:25:05,481 --> 00:25:10,081 Speaker 1: raped a squad got very recently this year. And what 495 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: had happened was they were in the brothel, there were 496 00:25:12,241 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: two of them, and they were I was asleep in 497 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: one of the rooms, you know, because I was this 498 00:25:16,441 --> 00:25:18,641 Speaker 1: lazy hooker, you know, I don't really want to work. 499 00:25:18,681 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to sleep, and I heard this commotion upstairs. 500 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,721 Speaker 1: And what happened was I came out and the Asian 501 00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:33,041 Speaker 1: girls are just going nuts, and there's one he'd been 502 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: one of the guys had been punching on with another guy. 503 00:25:36,281 --> 00:25:39,321 Speaker 1: Another guy been grabbed by the neck and put up 504 00:25:39,321 --> 00:25:42,561 Speaker 1: against a wall. And then I walk up into this 505 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: commotion and the brothel this shit everywhere, right, They've just 506 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: trashed the place. And they just looked at me and 507 00:25:50,281 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: I thought, oh fuck, what are they going to do 508 00:25:52,241 --> 00:25:54,081 Speaker 1: to me if this is what they've done? And then 509 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: they go, oh good, you know, And I think it 510 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: was that kind of a female Western face thing, I think, 511 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: and they could tell their stories. So, you know, guys, 512 00:26:05,321 --> 00:26:07,801 Speaker 1: I'm like open handed, like trying to make something real 513 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,001 Speaker 1: little I have ad guys, you know, don't you know 514 00:26:11,041 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: who I am? Like, No, I don't, and I seriously didn't. 515 00:26:15,281 --> 00:26:17,041 Speaker 1: And then they told me who they were, and they 516 00:26:17,041 --> 00:26:20,761 Speaker 1: were bikey guys, right, and a cocaine deal had gone wrong, 517 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,961 Speaker 1: so the Asian girl had tried to rip them off, 518 00:26:24,961 --> 00:26:29,801 Speaker 1: and so they were few furious and going nuts and everything. 519 00:26:29,961 --> 00:26:35,321 Speaker 1: And anyway, eventually they left and they were just like 520 00:26:35,441 --> 00:26:37,481 Speaker 1: really nice to me. And then I saw them in 521 00:26:37,521 --> 00:26:40,721 Speaker 1: the media quite recently. Really yeah, they're in jail now, 522 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:41,841 Speaker 1: both of them. 523 00:26:42,041 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 3: Wow. 524 00:26:42,521 --> 00:26:45,321 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were nice to me that they did 525 00:26:45,521 --> 00:26:47,561 Speaker 1: nothing to me. But then I'm not involved in the 526 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: drug world. Yeah, see that all goes on around me. No, well, 527 00:26:53,281 --> 00:26:55,801 Speaker 1: you know, he told me what had happened, and then 528 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: the Asian girl confirmed it, and yeah, she knocked it 529 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: out of his hand and he just went nuts. Yeah, 530 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,521 Speaker 1: so that's where you know, you're you'll see the violence 531 00:27:06,561 --> 00:27:08,841 Speaker 1: and everything, but it kind of all happened around me. 532 00:27:09,241 --> 00:27:12,001 Speaker 1: It was never inflicted upon me by by kis. 533 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,321 Speaker 2: Never lawyers and solicitors. 534 00:27:15,921 --> 00:27:19,481 Speaker 1: Oh, you want to go into corruption on them. 535 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: I've got it written down just in case. 536 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: Okay. I've got lots of stories about lawyers who are 537 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:32,161 Speaker 1: still practicing. I still got their practicing certificate. There's one 538 00:27:32,321 --> 00:27:38,561 Speaker 1: story there was a there's a huge cold case in court. 539 00:27:39,961 --> 00:27:44,561 Speaker 1: And so what happened was one day I'm walking into 540 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,561 Speaker 1: the Downing Center and the lifts opened and this famous 541 00:27:49,561 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: solicitor came walking out and he's coming straight for me, 542 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, okay, he knows who I am, 543 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's going to say something nice 544 00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:03,121 Speaker 1: to me about my case and what happened and you're 545 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,201 Speaker 1: doing law and all this, and and he just literally 546 00:28:07,521 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: didn't didn't touch me, but like that, and as he 547 00:28:10,961 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: walked past, because he knows the CCTV everywhere, he said, 548 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,281 Speaker 1: nobody likes fucking dogs and he just kept walking on, like, 549 00:28:20,001 --> 00:28:22,761 Speaker 1: oh my god, I could not believe that. I just 550 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: heard that, and it's all on CCTV, it happening right, 551 00:28:27,561 --> 00:28:30,361 Speaker 1: and I'm just going, oh my god, I was really flustered. 552 00:28:30,441 --> 00:28:35,001 Speaker 1: So fast forward a few years, right, and that shook 553 00:28:35,041 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: me up, and it always it will forever. You know 554 00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:41,201 Speaker 1: that that person said that to him. And fast forward 555 00:28:41,241 --> 00:28:47,761 Speaker 1: a few years and this guy, uh, this famous lawyer 556 00:28:47,841 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: has a legal firm, and so an informant goes to 557 00:28:56,281 --> 00:29:00,321 Speaker 1: their legal firm and says, I want to try and 558 00:29:00,321 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: get off these charges and need help. We've got this 559 00:29:02,561 --> 00:29:07,841 Speaker 1: information about a cold case. And so the lawyers are 560 00:29:07,841 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: told everything to solve this cold case. Everything. What happened 561 00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:19,201 Speaker 1: was the informant was then jailed and instead, I mean, 562 00:29:19,241 --> 00:29:21,881 Speaker 1: in jail, you can go and visit as a lawyer. 563 00:29:21,881 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: It's all Proofly's right, So there was no problem that 564 00:29:24,241 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: they could have gone there didn't turn up, let him 565 00:29:26,521 --> 00:29:31,841 Speaker 1: rotten jail. So he comes out of jail and contacts me. 566 00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:36,001 Speaker 1: Now I did not believe this story, right, I just said, oh, yeah, 567 00:29:36,041 --> 00:29:41,521 Speaker 1: this is too incredible to be true. And I said, yeah, 568 00:29:41,561 --> 00:29:45,561 Speaker 1: I know of that cold case. What do you got 569 00:29:46,521 --> 00:29:48,361 Speaker 1: And he's giving me more and more and more, and 570 00:29:48,401 --> 00:29:50,881 Speaker 1: I said, well, I need evidence of that. I said, 571 00:29:50,921 --> 00:29:54,521 Speaker 1: I need evidence. You told these lawyers bang in writing. 572 00:29:54,881 --> 00:29:58,201 Speaker 1: I saw the evidence and I'm just going, what the hell? 573 00:29:58,401 --> 00:30:03,121 Speaker 1: Then next thing, I see that the police tapes the 574 00:30:03,201 --> 00:30:08,121 Speaker 1: transcript sorry, and that's where he said he's got information 575 00:30:08,201 --> 00:30:13,041 Speaker 1: on a murder as well, cops ignored him, the lawyers 576 00:30:13,441 --> 00:30:16,481 Speaker 1: ignored him. He went to jail and he came out. 577 00:30:17,201 --> 00:30:19,801 Speaker 1: So he's got no faith. He hates cops, now, he 578 00:30:19,881 --> 00:30:22,801 Speaker 1: hates lawyers, he hates everyone. He's been to jail and 579 00:30:23,001 --> 00:30:27,361 Speaker 1: he's just fuming. So anyway, I said, well, you know, 580 00:30:27,401 --> 00:30:28,761 Speaker 1: we've got to tell the police. You can't tell me 581 00:30:28,801 --> 00:30:31,521 Speaker 1: this shit, and you know you've got to be ready 582 00:30:31,561 --> 00:30:33,521 Speaker 1: to go to the police and tell them all this. 583 00:30:33,641 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: And then that led to oh, well, yeah, I know 584 00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:39,441 Speaker 1: about another murder. I'm like, what the fuck? So they 585 00:30:39,441 --> 00:30:41,841 Speaker 1: tell me about that that wasn't so much of a 586 00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:46,401 Speaker 1: cold case, but this other one is huge. And anyway, 587 00:30:46,561 --> 00:30:49,361 Speaker 1: I was smart enough to get it all in writing 588 00:30:49,441 --> 00:30:52,601 Speaker 1: in case he retracted what he said. So I've got 589 00:30:52,601 --> 00:30:55,481 Speaker 1: all this in writing and I'm ready to go. So anyway, 590 00:30:55,681 --> 00:30:57,481 Speaker 1: got hold of the police. I put him in touch 591 00:30:57,561 --> 00:31:00,721 Speaker 1: with some really good police and they took over. So 592 00:31:00,761 --> 00:31:06,681 Speaker 1: my bit was done and cold case is going through court. 593 00:31:07,161 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 594 00:31:07,601 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, huge. So this lawyer who said to me and 595 00:31:12,321 --> 00:31:16,721 Speaker 1: I thought back, he told me nobody likes fucking dogs, 596 00:31:17,161 --> 00:31:21,641 Speaker 1: all right, So he had all that information to solve 597 00:31:21,681 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: this cold case. And it's a very emotional cold case 598 00:31:26,201 --> 00:31:31,161 Speaker 1: that everyone wanted to see solved, and now it's solved 599 00:31:31,361 --> 00:31:33,801 Speaker 1: not because of what I did, but because you know, 600 00:31:34,401 --> 00:31:38,161 Speaker 1: these errors and it ended up in my hands and 601 00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:41,681 Speaker 1: the police did that. The police did great work, great 602 00:31:41,721 --> 00:31:47,641 Speaker 1: work in getting this person. So yeah, huge, So lawyer. 603 00:31:48,481 --> 00:31:53,641 Speaker 1: Another story about corrupt lawyers is, you know, so they're 604 00:31:53,721 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: not solving cold cases which could be solved. So you know, 605 00:31:57,321 --> 00:31:59,401 Speaker 1: you've got to watch it if informants tell you things. Now, 606 00:31:59,441 --> 00:32:03,081 Speaker 1: I didn't believe him either, and I tested everything, and 607 00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:06,361 Speaker 1: I went, fuck, this is got to be true, because 608 00:32:06,521 --> 00:32:08,681 Speaker 1: you know, you get a story off someone and then 609 00:32:08,721 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: you leave it for a while and then you come 610 00:32:10,761 --> 00:32:12,361 Speaker 1: back and go, oh, what'd you say about that? And 611 00:32:12,361 --> 00:32:14,081 Speaker 1: they say exactly the same thing, and you go, well 612 00:32:14,081 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, it ended up true. So there's another 613 00:32:17,761 --> 00:32:23,921 Speaker 1: thing with with corrective services, like jail's right. So there 614 00:32:24,001 --> 00:32:31,521 Speaker 1: was a person addicted to Heroine who was jailed. Right. 615 00:32:32,121 --> 00:32:35,241 Speaker 1: So they're in jail and they ring this very high 616 00:32:35,241 --> 00:32:38,801 Speaker 1: profile different different lawyer, this time very high profile lawyer, 617 00:32:39,641 --> 00:32:43,881 Speaker 1: and they say, you know, can you come and visit me? Right? 618 00:32:44,401 --> 00:32:47,841 Speaker 1: And so in jail you've got two types of visits. 619 00:32:47,921 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: You've got you know, the l O the loved ones. 620 00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:54,201 Speaker 1: And then you've got the legal visits which are privilege 621 00:32:54,321 --> 00:32:58,481 Speaker 1: and and you've also got the avls for both. But anyway, 622 00:32:58,841 --> 00:33:01,161 Speaker 1: as for an in person visit, so this lawyer has 623 00:33:01,201 --> 00:33:06,281 Speaker 1: gone there and taken in the close and half a 624 00:33:06,441 --> 00:33:09,521 Speaker 1: ball of heroin I'm not kidding, half a ball of 625 00:33:09,601 --> 00:33:13,521 Speaker 1: heroin into the jails, got through with it, gave it 626 00:33:13,561 --> 00:33:16,641 Speaker 1: to the client. So the client has been they're in 627 00:33:16,721 --> 00:33:19,241 Speaker 1: jail because they've been refused bail by the coppers. Right, 628 00:33:19,481 --> 00:33:21,361 Speaker 1: so they say, you know, I just want to get 629 00:33:21,401 --> 00:33:24,601 Speaker 1: out of jail. So this lawyer got a huge legal 630 00:33:24,641 --> 00:33:28,041 Speaker 1: aid grand because of that taking on this case. And 631 00:33:29,241 --> 00:33:35,761 Speaker 1: so the lawyer then gets their corrupt psych mate to 632 00:33:35,961 --> 00:33:40,161 Speaker 1: write a pack of lies to get the client bail. 633 00:33:40,681 --> 00:33:48,601 Speaker 1: Now it gets worse. The sich was paid with three 634 00:33:48,881 --> 00:33:51,641 Speaker 1: grams of cocaine. Wow, it was meant to be three 635 00:33:51,641 --> 00:33:54,561 Speaker 1: point five, but they took away. Yeah, they stole point 636 00:33:54,561 --> 00:33:56,281 Speaker 1: five and gave him three. Yeah. 637 00:33:57,441 --> 00:33:57,601 Speaker 5: Yep. 638 00:33:57,841 --> 00:34:02,241 Speaker 1: These people are still practicing, still practices, still practicing. Yep. Yeah. 639 00:34:02,721 --> 00:34:08,361 Speaker 1: I actually saw one of them on TV very recently. Yeah, 640 00:34:08,401 --> 00:34:11,841 Speaker 1: I've seen both on TV. Yeah, very high profile people 641 00:34:12,721 --> 00:34:17,601 Speaker 1: both practicing. Yeah. Yeah, that there's a love machine needs 642 00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:22,041 Speaker 1: to be. There's a lawyer still practicing who would who's 643 00:34:22,041 --> 00:34:25,281 Speaker 1: a big ice freak, and they would go into love 644 00:34:25,321 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: machine and supply the girls with ice. The girls loved ice. 645 00:34:30,161 --> 00:34:33,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd supply himself to the girls. 646 00:34:33,921 --> 00:34:37,681 Speaker 1: Yeah, party time, you know, because that's hooker slang for 647 00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:40,361 Speaker 1: you know, partying is a girl who does drugs with 648 00:34:40,401 --> 00:34:42,641 Speaker 1: you with the client. It doesn't it doesn't mean there's 649 00:34:42,641 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: ten people. It can mean you know that there's one 650 00:34:45,481 --> 00:34:47,441 Speaker 1: girl and one guy and that's still a party. You know, 651 00:34:47,521 --> 00:34:49,401 Speaker 1: you're a party girl. Do your party? That was always 652 00:34:49,401 --> 00:34:54,921 Speaker 1: a question, do your party? Yeah? And yeah, so's it's 653 00:34:55,681 --> 00:35:00,041 Speaker 1: it's going on. People. People think that, you know, the 654 00:35:00,081 --> 00:35:04,521 Speaker 1: stuff getting into jails has to be because corrective services 655 00:35:04,521 --> 00:35:09,601 Speaker 1: are corrupt or the jail wives of bringing it in. Hey, 656 00:35:10,161 --> 00:35:13,841 Speaker 1: look at the lawyers, mate, look at the lawyers. Look 657 00:35:13,841 --> 00:35:14,521 Speaker 1: at the lawyers. 658 00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:19,081 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, huge, talk about that. 659 00:35:20,561 --> 00:35:23,761 Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on the Royal Commission, the wood Raw 660 00:35:23,801 --> 00:35:27,721 Speaker 1: Commission into police corruption. I think it was good for 661 00:35:27,841 --> 00:35:33,041 Speaker 1: us to have somebody who could that we could go 662 00:35:33,081 --> 00:35:38,041 Speaker 1: to to tell and we would be believed normally if 663 00:35:38,041 --> 00:35:40,841 Speaker 1: we proved that it was true. So that's why I 664 00:35:40,841 --> 00:35:43,721 Speaker 1: did the undercover stuff because there was a lot of 665 00:35:43,721 --> 00:35:46,921 Speaker 1: my word against yours back then. I think the police 666 00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:51,761 Speaker 1: secondered to the wood Raw Commission. There was a lot 667 00:35:51,801 --> 00:35:56,161 Speaker 1: of fuck ups. I think witness protection was a joke. 668 00:35:56,801 --> 00:36:01,241 Speaker 1: It was an absolute joke. I heard that there was 669 00:36:01,321 --> 00:36:04,081 Speaker 1: somebody of their lips were sewing together and they were 670 00:36:04,081 --> 00:36:09,321 Speaker 1: in in protection, you know. So it's I mean, I 671 00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:14,401 Speaker 1: never had anyone do anything nasty to me, but certainly 672 00:36:15,081 --> 00:36:17,561 Speaker 1: they just left you out, like threw you away once 673 00:36:17,561 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: they finished with you. Yeah, I was just thrown away. 674 00:36:19,761 --> 00:36:21,521 Speaker 1: I didn't realize at the time, you know, but I 675 00:36:21,561 --> 00:36:24,841 Speaker 1: was very, very depressed. They did send a psychiatrist to 676 00:36:24,881 --> 00:36:27,241 Speaker 1: see me because I was very depressed about it all. 677 00:36:27,321 --> 00:36:32,201 Speaker 1: But you know, soon as soon as I said, you know, 678 00:36:32,321 --> 00:36:34,601 Speaker 1: I'm coming back to Sydney and I'm going to sue 679 00:36:34,601 --> 00:36:37,281 Speaker 1: your asses off. That's why I said it. I remember 680 00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:39,241 Speaker 1: being on the phone and they said, well, you can't 681 00:36:39,401 --> 00:36:42,921 Speaker 1: come back to Sydney. It's too dangerous. So they just 682 00:36:42,921 --> 00:36:46,921 Speaker 1: thought they'd gotten rid of me and the six months 683 00:36:46,921 --> 00:36:50,121 Speaker 1: of stewing on this, and then I went, fuck the 684 00:36:50,241 --> 00:36:53,441 Speaker 1: lot of you. And that that was the night the 685 00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:55,681 Speaker 1: brothel was raided. So they were trying to stop me 686 00:36:56,361 --> 00:36:58,481 Speaker 1: from making the airfair. But I already had the airfair. 687 00:36:58,481 --> 00:37:03,241 Speaker 1: I just wanted extra money, and yeah, so I got 688 00:37:03,321 --> 00:37:05,281 Speaker 1: scared though I never went back to the broth I want. 689 00:37:05,281 --> 00:37:08,281 Speaker 1: I just caught the plane to Sydney and soe their 690 00:37:08,281 --> 00:37:08,841 Speaker 1: ass off. 691 00:37:10,881 --> 00:37:14,041 Speaker 2: So before we go, hmm, I've loved that. This has 692 00:37:14,081 --> 00:37:15,921 Speaker 2: been a good interview. I've loved it. 693 00:37:16,121 --> 00:37:16,681 Speaker 1: You're welcome. 694 00:37:18,401 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: But there's one more thing I need to know, no, not, 695 00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:26,801 Speaker 2: I need to know before we finish. Was there a 696 00:37:26,881 --> 00:37:28,721 Speaker 2: thing between you and John? 697 00:37:29,801 --> 00:37:29,881 Speaker 5: Like? 698 00:37:30,001 --> 00:37:33,601 Speaker 1: What thing? Was there? 699 00:37:33,601 --> 00:37:36,321 Speaker 2: A twinkle in the eye? Was there a secret relationship 700 00:37:36,361 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: with you and John? 701 00:37:37,441 --> 00:37:37,641 Speaker 3: Was there? 702 00:37:37,721 --> 00:37:39,441 Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't be a secret if I told you, 703 00:37:39,481 --> 00:37:40,241 Speaker 1: would it? Oh? 704 00:37:40,281 --> 00:37:44,121 Speaker 2: You are going to tell me? Thank you? Was there? 705 00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:46,641 Speaker 2: Did you? Okay, then let's let's let's put let's put 706 00:37:46,641 --> 00:37:47,681 Speaker 2: the cards down on the table. 707 00:37:48,321 --> 00:37:51,001 Speaker 1: All right, let's not put the cards down on the door. 708 00:37:51,081 --> 00:37:54,161 Speaker 3: I remember, I remember when you said to me you 709 00:37:54,201 --> 00:37:55,161 Speaker 3: were going to come on my show. 710 00:37:55,241 --> 00:37:57,201 Speaker 2: I said, is there anything you would not like me 711 00:37:57,281 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 2: to ask you? And I'm an open book? You said, 712 00:38:02,001 --> 00:38:02,881 Speaker 2: I'm an open book. 713 00:38:03,041 --> 00:38:03,841 Speaker 5: Yes, So I'm. 714 00:38:03,681 --> 00:38:07,521 Speaker 2: Asking you the question before we go. Did you have 715 00:38:07,561 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: a relationship with John. 716 00:38:09,121 --> 00:38:12,121 Speaker 1: I did not have a relationship with John Ibraham. 717 00:38:12,441 --> 00:38:17,001 Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that's that's it. That's that's the final statements. 718 00:38:17,081 --> 00:38:20,721 Speaker 2: Not no kiss and tell, no nothing, no no hanky banky. 719 00:38:23,361 --> 00:38:24,641 Speaker 2: Didn't you didn't You didn't know? 720 00:38:24,761 --> 00:38:24,881 Speaker 5: Do you? 721 00:38:24,921 --> 00:38:25,161 Speaker 2: John? 722 00:38:25,201 --> 00:38:25,441 Speaker 1: With the. 723 00:38:30,841 --> 00:38:31,481 Speaker 2: That one real. 724 00:38:33,881 --> 00:38:34,361 Speaker 3: I got you. 725 00:38:37,561 --> 00:38:40,561 Speaker 2: In the next episode of Secrets of the Underworld. 726 00:38:40,321 --> 00:38:41,081 Speaker 1: I was pulling on. 727 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,721 Speaker 4: I was never had the confidence to fire back. I 728 00:38:43,761 --> 00:38:45,921 Speaker 4: never had the confidence to stand up for myself. I 729 00:38:45,961 --> 00:38:47,961 Speaker 4: was always just crying or just shut up. And then 730 00:38:47,961 --> 00:38:51,241 Speaker 4: then I've started talling on people. A little kid put it, 731 00:38:52,001 --> 00:38:55,641 Speaker 4: put the post code on about forty cans. If you're 732 00:38:55,641 --> 00:38:57,761 Speaker 4: a drug dealer and the mate says you, hey, I've 733 00:38:57,801 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 4: just been raided by the police. I need to get 734 00:38:59,481 --> 00:39:01,801 Speaker 4: stuff off you. I'll be like, fuck off, can't you 735 00:39:01,961 --> 00:39:02,481 Speaker 4: come near me? 736 00:39:02,881 --> 00:39:03,321 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 737 00:39:03,441 --> 00:39:04,161 Speaker 4: Color your red hot? 738 00:39:04,201 --> 00:39:06,161 Speaker 2: But see he said that to me, and I took 739 00:39:06,201 --> 00:39:06,401 Speaker 2: it to. 740 00:39:06,401 --> 00:39:08,121 Speaker 4: Heart because some of the drugs that were in my 741 00:39:08,161 --> 00:39:09,121 Speaker 4: house weren't even mine. 742 00:39:09,601 --> 00:39:10,401 Speaker 1: I've put the. 743 00:39:10,401 --> 00:39:12,081 Speaker 2: Mvy about of botk in MD wasn't mine. 744 00:39:12,081 --> 00:39:13,481 Speaker 1: I'm drinking wrapped that, you know. 745 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:15,721 Speaker 4: And I was just like and the guy that it was, 746 00:39:15,801 --> 00:39:16,601 Speaker 4: I vested him 747 00:39:18,521 --> 00:39:18,561 Speaker 5: M