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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome to healthy Ish. Thanks for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Body and Soul podcast. I am Felicity Harley, your

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Speaker 1: host and joining me well on our online studio today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're not in the real one. We will be back

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Speaker 1: in there next week. Is our fabulous digital editor Holly Berkleman,

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Speaker 1: and we are chatting through the three hottest topics in

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Speaker 1: the health and wellness world this week. Ps, we are

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Speaker 1: talking about Trump. Oh how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm well, How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to healthy Ish. How's your week being?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Week's been good. Actually, I was in Melbourne last week

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Speaker 3: with Nike to watch the tennis, which was an absine trade.

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Speaker 3: I'd never been to the AO before and I'd always

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Speaker 3: wanted to go, so that was amazing. The atmosphere did

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Speaker 3: not do so point. I got to see the women's

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Speaker 3: semi final and I interviewed Arena Sabalanka like the other week,

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Speaker 3: and then I got to see her play, which was incredible, excellent,

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Speaker 3: but it was amazing. How has your week been.

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Speaker 1: You're just settling back in but already to well. I

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Speaker 1: guess what. I put another half marathon in my diary,

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Speaker 1: so I've become that person.

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Speaker 2: She's a runner.

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Speaker 1: I know so well, I'm actually doing the Women's another

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Speaker 1: shout out to Nike the Women's half marathon in Sydney

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Speaker 1: in after dark one on April twelve. So I couldn't

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Speaker 1: say no. I had to say yes. So this week

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Speaker 1: I've just been managing what my training will look like,

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Speaker 1: how my exercise looks, where I'm going to tap into yoga,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And the kids are back at school,

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Speaker 1: so it's a bit easy and.

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Speaker 2: Now amazing, Wow, back into the training, I know.

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Speaker 1: Here we go again. Anyway, back onto Body and Soul online.

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Speaker 1: What's been happening this week?

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to talk about a story actually that

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Speaker 3: I rode, which is the first time I've done that,

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Speaker 3: so I think I'm allowed a little, but I'm out

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Speaker 3: of this one. So it's about the full bush in

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Speaker 3: a bikini trend online and the headline is is the

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Speaker 3: full bush in a bikini trend really enough to undo

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Speaker 3: years of shame? So have you heard about this trend?

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Speaker 1: I have spotted, well, I've heard murmurs of it or

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Speaker 1: seen it on social media, but I'd love to hear more,

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Speaker 1: so tell me.

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Speaker 3: So basically, it started because this one creator on TikTok,

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Speaker 3: was like, hang on a second, why am I shaving

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Speaker 3: my volver before going to the beach, Like, let's just

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Speaker 3: be let's just embrace the full bush.

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Speaker 1: Why are we shaving.

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Speaker 3: It's very like kind of beauty standards positivity. Women just

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Speaker 3: let it hang out exactly, let it all hang out.

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Speaker 3: And I from the get go was like, totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I think it's great that, you know, women should absolutely

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Speaker 3: just embrace their bodies no matter what they look like.

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Speaker 3: But from a more journalistic perspective, I kind of got

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Speaker 3: thinking about it and I couldn't stop thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about it in the shower. I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about it on the way to work.

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Speaker 1: And I hope in the shower not you know, shaving

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Speaker 1: your bikini line or anything.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the ceiling.

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Speaker 3: That yeah, And I couldn't stop thinking about it because

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Speaker 3: I just think that making trends around appearance, and obviously

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Speaker 3: that's what half the trends that you see on TikTok

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Speaker 3: and on social media are about appearance. Whether it's like

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Speaker 3: Tomato girls summer or whatever stuff like that. It's always

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Speaker 3: kind of about beauty and things. But I do think

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Speaker 3: that making trends about women's bodies and appearance and things

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Speaker 3: like that is a little dangerous, especially because the goalposts

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Speaker 3: change so often so often, and for years and years,

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Speaker 3: it's been like, you should be totally nude down there,

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Speaker 3: look like a teenager basically, and like, never have stray

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Speaker 3: hair hanging out over your bikinis. And now suddenly it's

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Speaker 3: kind of been declared that it's we're not doing that anymore,

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Speaker 3: we're growing it out, and to me, it feels quite unsafe,

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Speaker 3: and from the conversations I had with people, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of like, okay, but like one of my friends she

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Speaker 3: messaged me and was like, I've been getting laser since I.

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Speaker 2: Was twelve because I didn't you know, I was about to.

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Speaker 3: Have pushed down there, and she's like, I'm not about

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Speaker 3: to stop doing that because some twenty year old on

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Speaker 3: TikTok has been like it's cool now.

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Speaker 2: And I think my thing.

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Speaker 3: As well, is that it feels unsafe to participate in

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Speaker 3: this because what happens when it switches back again, and

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Speaker 3: it'll switch back again, and like, I think it's great

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Speaker 3: that people have learnt or have this maybe awareness if

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Speaker 3: they weren't thinking about it before, about what it means

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Speaker 3: when the changes again and then we're left there feeling

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Speaker 3: like we were foolish partaking in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Well, I personally can't partake in that bush out of

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Speaker 1: my bikini line trend because I did have my Bikinia

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Speaker 1: because at the time I decided that's what I want.

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Speaker 1: But back to your point, how I'm with you. I

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Speaker 1: think using, you know, women's bodies and basing trends around

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Speaker 1: of beauty standards, whether you want the bush out or

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Speaker 1: the bush in, and so if we can just work

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Speaker 1: out what feels comfortable for us and be okay with that.

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Speaker 1: I do think though it perhaps for younger people, it

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Speaker 1: normalizes a bit of pubic hair, which is what we're

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Speaker 1: designed to have for some reason from an evolutionary standpoint.

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Speaker 1: So I think, work out what works for you and

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Speaker 1: be confident that what you're doing is perhaps the most

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Speaker 3: I completely agree, completely agree, and I think it's great

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Speaker 3: to get the conversation out there for younger people, like

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see where this one goes.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the commentary i'd seen

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Speaker 3: was just a bit like, I think we're lacking a

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Speaker 1: We should talk about the trend of exercise. It's a

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Speaker 1: bit more fluid that I saw a story on the Cart.

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Speaker 1: I think many of us read the Cart and perhaps

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Speaker 1: you read this one as well, Hole, but it was

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Speaker 1: all about how women in the US are using endorphins

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Speaker 1: or harnessing their endorphins to cope with what's going on

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Speaker 1: with the world right now. I don't know about how

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Speaker 1: like double wow. But anyway, this story, which I loved,

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Speaker 1: going to happen and all that trepidation, they're channeling this

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Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of them are setting new

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Speaker 1: have to get through the next four years. And there's

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Speaker 1: a few people on social media who are jumping on.

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Speaker 1: I love this one from writer, sociologist and professor Tresi

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Speaker 1: Milan Cotton. Now that's an American name for you, isn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And she helped on Instagram to share a new personal

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Speaker 1: lifting record at the gym, and in her clip, she says,

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Speaker 1: don't let Trump win, encouraging her followers followers to go

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Speaker 1: out and set their own personal records. So they're doing

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Speaker 1: all sorts of things like line dancing, long walks, swim squads, HARKing,

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Speaker 1: like all sorts of things. But they're channeling that energy

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Speaker 1: into jumping out, because jumping outside in the gym, because

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Speaker 1: as we all know, exercise can be a powerful antidote

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Speaker 1: for mental angst, the magic pill to perhaps get through

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Speaker 1: the next four years.

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Speaker 3: I love this story so much because I think, on

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Speaker 3: one hand, it's kind of like you're biohacking yourself almost

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Speaker 3: into like, you know, into generating these endorphins to make

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Speaker 3: yourself feel better. But it's also like, through doing exercise

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Speaker 3: you're getting stronger physically and mentally probably, And I love that.

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Speaker 3: There's something so like, you know, super and yeah, kind

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Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, absolutely. And look for those who

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Speaker 1: support Trump, there are also well I'm sure I don't

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Speaker 1: know for sure, but I'm sure there are also groups

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Speaker 1: of pro Trump supporters, you know, who are running running.

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Speaker 1: All these people will be popping up around America no less.

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Speaker 1: And there you guys write a story about this online

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Speaker 1: how to avoid news overwhelm, and a few well perhaps

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Speaker 1: tips from that. If we are feeling a bit overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: throughout the day when we jump online, when we look

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Speaker 1: at social media, things like boundaries, routine sensory based activities

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Speaker 1: like breath work, cold pungs. There are plenty of other

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Speaker 1: ways that you can channel your angst, your apprehension, trepidation

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Speaker 1: and feeling very depressed.

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Speaker 2: I love it. But the number one piece of advice

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Speaker 2: is put the phone down.

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Speaker 1: I love that outside exactly now, just quickly before we go,

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Speaker 1: give us a quick rundown of the most clicked story

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Speaker 3: Most clicked of the week is a little dating story,

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Speaker 3: which is the most common red flags people miss, according

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Speaker 3: to a dating expert. So I like this one because

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Speaker 3: it's not seeing a dating profile and the man's holding

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Speaker 3: a fish or something, and you're like, that's a red flag.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit more insidious. It happens, so oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: FLI yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: Been a long time, yeah, or just you know common

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Speaker 3: tropes that you're like, yes, anyway, but these ones are good.

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Speaker 3: So the first one is excessive attention, and so that's

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Speaker 3: the kind of love bombing thing where it's like, you know,

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Speaker 3: see me and spend so much time with me, but

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Speaker 3: that's not always a good thing, as you can read

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Speaker 3: more in the article. The next one is witty banter,

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Speaker 3: which like obviously everyone wants to have like great rapport

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Speaker 3: and everything, but it if it passes over into the

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Speaker 3: kind of pay attention to it.

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Speaker 2: And then also, and this one I.

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Speaker 3: Think is a great one, is oversharing, which is like

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Speaker 3: kind of weaponizing vulnerability a little bit to be like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm so open and this is everything you

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Speaker 3: need to know about me, But it can sometimes also

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Speaker 3: act in that same way of like love bombing, where

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Speaker 3: you tell people so much and then.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing left to say and then you're like, who,

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Speaker 1: that's enough exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good one.

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Speaker 3: You want to read more about those three things, then

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Speaker 3: you can visit bodysol dot com dot you and read.

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