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Speaker 1: I'll get at Welcome to another installing the show, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Denise Vaness, Doctor Tiffany Cook, and the shitkicker that is

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Speaker 1: me just here just rounding out the trio. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with doctor Cook, who's over there in her clinic. Good afternoon, Cookie,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I feel it lately you're priming me on the whole

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Speaker 2: doctor Cook thing so that one day I'll get attached

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Speaker 2: to it and go, I really want to be a doctor.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to get you to do your first degree,

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Speaker 1: and I think it is a beautiful time. You're smart,

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Speaker 1: You've got a bit of flexibility, You're your own person.

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Speaker 1: You don't have the emotional baggage of a husband or

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Speaker 1: a boyfriend or girlfriend or wife or whatever is your

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Speaker 1: current status.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I have the emotional baggage of what

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Speaker 2: is tiff Cook, though, and that is a heavy burden

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Speaker 2: to carry.

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Speaker 1: Ergo, ergo an undergrad degree in psychology. You're welcome. That

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Speaker 1: might open a couple of doors. Speaking of all the

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Speaker 1: degrees in the fucking world, the woman who's got more

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Speaker 1: degrees than a fucking thermometer, Doctor Denise for ness, Oh

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. It's been so long.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it's been a minute, as the

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Speaker 1: kids say. You know, the kids say when it's been

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Speaker 1: a while, they say it's been a minute.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're cool. They're cool. That's that's what cool

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Speaker 3: people say. Just willing, I was about to reel off

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Speaker 3: some things that my son, like, oh, all the young

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Speaker 3: ones are going to tell me I'm so wrong. It's

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Speaker 3: like skippity something, Harry, my twelve year old, like, they've

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Speaker 3: got this language and it's just it's stupid, of course,

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Speaker 3: but it's so cool in their world and it's like

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Speaker 3: skippity something. Anyway, we won't even go there because I'm

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Speaker 3: not even cool enough to repeat the words that my

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Speaker 3: twelve year old says that's cool in that genre, that

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Speaker 3: age bracket of teenagers.

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Speaker 1: Well, whether or not it's stupid or cool, I think

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Speaker 1: is about context. Like in their world it's cool and

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Speaker 1: hip and see nobody fucking says Hippi sixty year old people, right,

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Speaker 1: but you know in your world it's like, what the

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Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? Just use actual words, son, I.

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Speaker 3: Asked him, Like that is that a good word or

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Speaker 3: a bad word? Like are we we're saying something's cool

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Speaker 3: or we're saying it's shit basically, like that's there's such

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Speaker 3: strange words that you can't even work out. And the

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Speaker 3: first time I asked him, I shouldn't put any I

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Speaker 3: shouldn't say bad things about my son because he's the

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Speaker 3: most amazing boy in the world. But I don't think

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Speaker 3: he even understood. Like the first time I asked him,

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Speaker 3: he goes, oh, I think it's like a good thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you're saying it though, like that's crap, and

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Speaker 3: he goes, oh, no, actually means like really good. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: but the way that you say it in that sentence

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Speaker 3: doesn't actually mean that. So it's really interesting trying to

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's only twelve, and this is probably something

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Speaker 3: that older boys say as well, so I think they're

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Speaker 3: just grasping onto things they hear as well. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: let's get on with the podcast and not talk about

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Speaker 3: language that I don't even understand.

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Speaker 1: Yet well speaking, and then we'll move on. The other night,

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Speaker 1: I rode to the gym on one of my motorbikes,

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Speaker 1: which is probably the it's not the best one, but

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Speaker 1: it's probably the most impressive to a young man, and

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Speaker 1: there was a kid going into the gym who trains there.

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Speaker 1: Don't know his name, seem a bit, don't know his age.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying fifteen probably. I pull up and it's like

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Speaker 1: there and he's walking in. He just stops and looks

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Speaker 1: at it, and he goes to me, that's sick, and

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Speaker 1: I go, is it? He goes fully sick? I go

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Speaker 1: goodie gum drops like, okay, just myself, My black and

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Speaker 1: bloody fifteen year old Emilio that goes to the gym

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Speaker 3: like you know, it's sick man, like that's you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard that before. This is a

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Speaker 3: like they're almost doing a slight rap song or something. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: next time, I'm going to be back on soon and

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the words are. Everyone. For those

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Speaker 3: of you who are so interested in this, because.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking waits. You were telling us before we came

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Speaker 1: were telling us before we came on air. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this just for you audience. You're welcome. You

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Speaker 1: were telling us that your husband has resigned from his

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Speaker 1: job and you're very busy. You're traversing the globe doing

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Speaker 1: education and gigs and conferences and just enlightening the world

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Speaker 1: to think better, do better, live better, and be healthier.

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Speaker 1: But you were saying there was like when you're flat

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Speaker 1: can be a little tension in the household, although you

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Speaker 1: both love each other. But he's not working now, so's

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Speaker 1: there's some during the day sex happening. So that's good.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a paradox, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you said is it good? And I said, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's much better with him at home. And then I

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Speaker 3: mentioned the day sex, and as I said it, I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, I shouldn't say any of these things

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm sure everyone loves it, and everyone loves it. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm just tiff. Just just jump in and save me,

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Speaker 3: save me.

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Speaker 1: Well there was there was which you also did mention

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Speaker 1: the infamous quote from a previous episode where you were

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Speaker 1: talking about how well manicured your man's don't fucking shave

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Speaker 1: you shake your arms at me, well groomed and Denise

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Speaker 1: how well, hang on, how well groomed and manicured he

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Speaker 1: is and how unmanicured you are? Was that still the

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Speaker 3: No, you know what, And I'm happy to disclose that

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Speaker 3: I take better care of myself these days. And I

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Speaker 3: had laser, so I've not had laser since before I

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Speaker 3: had children. Things change, You have to get busy, you

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Speaker 3: just let it all go. I'm in a stage in

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Speaker 3: really happy. I'm tidy than I have been in a

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Speaker 3: long time. How's that for listeners? Is that educationabook?

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Speaker 1: Well? I think we can pretty much wrap it up there.

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Speaker 1: Hey one, that's Denise vanessisiro train molecular geneticist. But to us,

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Speaker 1: she's just the chick who just had her bloody bit slazered. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: see you next time.

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Speaker 3: It was Harry for a really long time because I

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Speaker 3: was just too busy. Because that's life, people, that's life.

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Speaker 3: Priorities change before you have children and before you get married,

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Speaker 3: and before you're busy. You take such good care of

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Speaker 3: yourself and then you just let it all go for

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Speaker 3: a really long time.

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Speaker 1: See. If I feel like you want to chime in,

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Speaker 1: you look like you're biting your bottom lip.

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Speaker 2: I just thought Finess was a really apt last name

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Speaker 2: for this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Finess All right, Well, a little finesse sometimes you need

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Speaker 3: a lot finesse. Do you remember that ad? No?

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Speaker 1: I do not, I do not, Thanks for thanks for

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Speaker 3: It's an ad.

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Speaker 1: You're the best I love. Do you know what I

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Speaker 1: love about you?

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Speaker 3: More?

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Speaker 1: Than maybe any other guest, is that you don't have

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Speaker 1: a filter. And I think that's that's for somebody who

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Speaker 3: It's so true. It's so true. But I'm learning to

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Speaker 3: embrace it. I think not only am I sharing all

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Speaker 3: the last few years, I'm learning to be me kind

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Speaker 3: Tash Corbyn. I've got a business coach who's like Adhd

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Speaker 1: But you're exactly right. I was thinking it before you

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Speaker 1: this door on this kind of subject matter that for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, me included at times, is pretty

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Speaker 1: fucking alien and confusing and unfamiliar. But everybody's got genetics,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's got a body, right, and everybody's got DNA.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 1: glamorous bit, yeah, and it's it's you know, I get it,

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Speaker 1: but it's yeah, sometimes they're the ones doing the real grind.

429
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, even when the kids were babies, and

430
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Speaker 3: initially he used to travel with me, particularly when they

431
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 3: were little breastfeeding stuff. He had no choice, but towards

432
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 3: the end he just said, I can't travel with you

433
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: anymore once they're a little bit older. He says, it's

434
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Speaker 3: just not fun for me being in a hotel room,

435
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: like you're out there, you know, having dinners with people,

436
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: conference dinners, and I'm you know, with the kids. So

437
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: then he was, you know, staying home and I was

438
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: traveling on my own. But even the traveling, you know,

439
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: I can say yes to an event. So next year

440
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: is so busy. We're definitely we've recovered from COVID, Like

441
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: it's taken a long time for me to really be

442
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 3: booked so far in advance, Like before COVID, i'd be

443
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 3: booked at least six, if not twelve months ahead for

444
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: a conference coming that only really this year did things

445
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: start to pick up. And now next year I'm booked

446
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 3: through t October, which is exciting. But almost every month

447
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: I've got well every month I do have something not international,

448
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: but I've had to say no to a few things,

449
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: which is exciting only because I've had to. I'm not

450
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Speaker 3: good at saying no, but balancing out, like I'm in

451
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: New York in feb and then I've got you know,

452
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 3: Europe and the UK, and then I've been asked to

453
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Speaker 3: go to the UK for something else, and it's already

454
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Speaker 3: within two months of going to London. It's like, I

455
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 3: can't go back to London. But I can only do

456
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 3: that because he's at home and that doesn't put pressure

457
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Speaker 3: on the kids and us, and like you said, with

458
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Speaker 3: all the tech stuff as well, Like Ryan's always been

459
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Speaker 3: my tech person. And even when I went to Jubai,

460
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: I had five talks and he could see that I

461
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Speaker 3: was kind of flipping out or leave things to the

462
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Speaker 3: last minute. It's like can I help? And I say, well,

463
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Speaker 3: can you format all of these slides just done? You know,

464
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: like in a couple of that. And he does things

465
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: that different his attention to detail because he's a very

466
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: different personality and he comes from like audio visual background,

467
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: so used to you know, make music, DJ and stuff,

468
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: and so he's really into that. So everything just looks amazing.

469
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, having that little team behind you,

470
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Speaker 3: but like you said, where the face. So everyone just

471
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: sees me and there's just an assumption that you know,

472
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Speaker 3: rhymes at home not really doing anything. It's like, actually

473
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Speaker 3: he's picking up the pieces everywhere with the house, with

474
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Speaker 3: the kids, with the business, and also, as I said,

475
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Speaker 3: is now has a newfound love of LinkedIn. If anything,

476
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know if you have to put

477
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Speaker 3: that many videos of me on LinkedIn?

478
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Speaker 1: Ah, tell him this is what I reckon he should

479
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Speaker 1: do for you. How many followers do you? Can you

480
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Speaker 1: have a look how many followers Denise has on Instagram?

481
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Speaker 1: And tell me TIV do you know I have to

482
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Speaker 1: top your head, doc or you're not off?

483
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Speaker 3: But I don't do LinkedIn? Oh sorry, I don't do Instagram.

484
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Speaker 3: I do, but he doesn't. Ryan doesn't touch Instagram, doesn't

485
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: like Facebook. I have a va who does my Instagram.

486
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Speaker 3: But I think we've got a few thousand people.

487
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Speaker 1: You know what I reckon would be good for you?

488
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Speaker 1: Like this to me fucking coaching you in the middle

489
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Speaker 1: of a show.

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Speaker 3: Do it?

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Speaker 2: Do it?

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Speaker 1: I reckon fifteen to thirty second grabs of you saying

493
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Speaker 1: something profound, no longer than thirty, no shorter than ten.

494
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: You know where You're just telling us something because your

495
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: your delivery is great. And I mean this with respect.

496
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Speaker 1: You look good, you sound good, your energy is good,

497
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Speaker 1: your content's good. It's like very very like very very good.

498
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Speaker 1: Product for that platform, and even though you don't like Instagram,

499
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Speaker 1: I mean I would be putting it on both, like

500
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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be one or the other. Like

501
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Speaker 1: if you've got you know, I've got thirty something thousand

502
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Speaker 1: on my personal Facebook, similar on my private or business

503
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: and then thirty two or three on Insta and then

504
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: a bunch on you.

505
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: Know on Instagram. Are you? Are you cool on Instagram? God,

506
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm such a judgmental b arch. I would never have

507
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: thought you'd before.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Instagram, I reckon as the best. Like

509
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Speaker 1: I've got I think thirty I don't know, thirty just

510
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: under thirty three thousand, and that's yeah, yeah, yeah, I

511
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: probably get more work from Instagram than anywhere. No way,

512
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: definitely definitely.

513
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Speaker 3: Are you on TikTok No? Yeah, no, I'm not there either, and.

514
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Speaker 1: I am on OnlyFans so with your I podcasts in

515
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: the dude and yeah, and we just filmed from I'm

516
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: not going to say it, ah fuck.

517
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Speaker 3: Because what's going to happen is I'm going to start

518
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: talking shit with you because I would bounce off you.

519
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: And I actually even call myself and was like, we're

520
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: not going to go there.

521
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: We're not going to go there.

522
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: Yes, all right here, that's too far.

523
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your actual work a little bit, you know,

524
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: just before we wrap up after having spoken far from

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Speaker 1: now about nothing in particular. So what's new in the

526
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: world of you and research? Like, what do you know

527
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: now that you didn't know a year or two ago.

528
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: What's got your interests, what's got your attention? What are

529
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: you excited about?

530
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Speaker 3: Oh God, I'm so excited about so many things. So

531
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: the world is finally changing, I think when it comes

532
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: to medicine. I mean, what I do has been happening

533
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: for a long time, but I don't fit the mainstream

534
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: medical model. When people come and see me, they have

535
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: to spend a lot of money on testing. You know,

536
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: nothing's covering on Medicare sort of. This integrative medical model

537
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: is fantastic in the set. Of course, I'm biased and

538
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: all the genetic testing, but it's just I haven't really

539
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: been able to see if and when this will integrate.

540
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: But this year has been a game changer. I was

541
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Speaker 3: in read so I was invited by the Ministry of

542
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Speaker 3: Health of Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

543
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Speaker 3: to go over to a conference which, by the way,

544
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Speaker 3: I thought was a scam. I was like, as if,

545
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm not even going to answer that email, and Lucky

546
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: Ryan was like, I think you should answer this, and

547
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's a scam because I get

548
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: so many emails to ten conferences and half of them

549
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: are just your dodgy.

550
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: Have you had any sorry to interrupt, Have you had

551
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: any of those where they invite you to speak and

552
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: they want you to speak for free or they want

553
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: you to pay for a spot.

554
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: So that's what I mean when I say I get

555
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: invited to speak at conferences and their dodgy. So they

556
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: invite you and then they say, oh, you'll have to

557
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: pay the registration fee. You know, maybe we can give

558
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: you one night hotel, but you know we're not covering

559
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: any expenses. It's just like, why would I becoming number one?

560
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: What is your conference? So their money? They are people

561
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: behind the scenes who I think are exploiting those that

562
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: want to do public speaking or want to be seen.

563
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: So you pay to go over, you pay for for everything,

564
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: and then you can say, you know, I spoke at

565
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: this event. Now in saying that as an academic, and

566
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: you probably know this too. Craig as an academic. You know,

567
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: I did pay even if I was a speaker. You know,

568
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: my organization might pay registration or I wasn't getting a

569
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: speaker fee because I was employed by the hospital or CSIRO.

570
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: But these were legitimate, big, you know events. These are

571
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: not big, legitimate events that you know, the top the

572
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: head of you know whatever. These are private organizations putting

573
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: on conferences that I think are just trying to make

574
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: money from them. But yes, I do, I get I

575
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: get a few of those. And again talking about Ryan

576
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: being home because he's now seeing all these things come through,

577
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: is helping my admin with all the emails. He said,

578
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: you're just ignoring all these conference things. I said, they're dodgy,

579
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: I said, I said, I just tell FJ unless they

580
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: actually know something about me or there's certain things. If

581
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: it's just a random one, I said, we just ignore them.

582
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: We don't have time. But now we've created a template

583
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: that actually goes back to the person and actually says

584
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: watch your speaker fee da da da da da da,

585
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: like just all these questions, and then that means we're

586
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: getting that response. And then when we get the response,

587
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: we can either just say, you know, we respectfully decline

588
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: or like with Saudi, I can go, oh, wow, this

589
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: is actually the real deal, because I would have let

590
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: it slide like I do all the others. And it

591
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: was amazing, amazing. I for the first time in my

592
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: life think I've had true imposter syndrome. And now people

593
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: talk about that. I think in my world because I've

594
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: been doing this for so long, and you know, just

595
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: I could be at any conference and I just feel

596
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: like I'm in my element. But this was a different

597
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: kind of event. This was the Global Health Summit. There

598
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: were politicians and royals and it was huge and it

599
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: was about changing healthcare. So by two thousand and thirty

600
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: they want to move to a preventative health model from

601
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: a reactive. So in Australia, if you get.

602
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Speaker 1: The Saudis, yes, yes, wow, they already do DNA testing already.

603
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: At a population level. So if you're going to get married,

604
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: if you get engaged. Now I'm not saying I agree

605
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: with this, I'm just sharing information that I learned.

606
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: I know what you're about to say. Yeah.

607
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they have to, by law go and get

608
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: genetic testing done, and if they are found to have

609
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: genetic mutations or variations associated with you know, conditions, they

610
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: can't get married. Apparently, I'm just reallying information that I

611
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: was heard, but apparently sixty percent of marriages have been stopped.

612
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: The reason that came about, though, is not so much

613
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: because they want to move to a preventative health model,

614
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 3: which is what they are moving towards. That is because

615
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: they actually do have a higher frequency, a higher rate

616
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: of rare genetic diseases in their population because there's a

617
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: lot of people coming together and breeding because they want

618
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: to keep bloodlines and families. So they've realized now that's

619
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: not okay. So they do have a high risk of

620
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: certain genetic diseases compared to other populations. So they already

621
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: have that in place. If you get engaged, you're going

622
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: to get married, you have to do genetic testing. If

623
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: a couple has both of these genetic disorders, they are told,

624
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, well, if you have children, you're going to

625
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: get these diseases. So that's already happening. But they want

626
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: to do whole genome sequencing on the entire population, in

627
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: the sense of doing even like what I do nutral

628
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: genomics or just looking at chronic disease. I think I

629
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: think this is where I come in. I'm trying to

630
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: learn still how I was invited to this prestigious event,

631
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: because there were times that I was like, how the

632
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: hell am I here? Like do they make a mistake?

633
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 3: You know, when people are meeting me, they're like, what

634
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: do you do? I'm like, Oh, I run a business,

635
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: And you can see their face light up, and I'm

636
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 3: thinking my business is from home, seeing patients online and

637
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: doing a bit of education. These are people at a

638
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: very different level to where I'm at.

639
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Well, you could say I'm an award winning medical researcher

640
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: with a PhD in molecular genetics, or you could say

641
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: that that's a much better start.

642
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, they actually sent me a couple of lines

643
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: and I did do it on LinkedIn, though I was

644
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 3: quite late. They asked me to do it, you know,

645
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: the second I got the invite and I accepted. But

646
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: they put me as a global expert, you know, like

647
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: the world leader in this kind you are, And in

648
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: all honesty, there's probably not a lot of people that

649
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: have done what I've done ten years as a scientist

650
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: and now twelve years as a practitioner actually doing this

651
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: with patients in the real world. So there's not a

652
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: lot of us. Mind you. I met other geneticists, clinical

653
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: geneticists that are still working in a medical practice doing

654
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: what I do, which was amazing because we don't have

655
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: that here in Australia just yet. I think it's coming.

656
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: But what it just showed me is so they invested.

657
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: They're investing thirteen a billion, not million billion dollars into

658
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: changing healthcare. It's genetics AI tech and it's exciting and

659
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: what we will see in the future. I don't think

660
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: Australia will adopt this as early, but these countries will

661
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: lead the way and we will start having what I

662
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: do as a more mainstream approach to identifying are you

663
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: at risk of cardiovascular disease or type two diabetes or

664
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: you know where where do we need to optimize your nutrition?

665
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: What are your genetic strengths and susceptibilities, you know, giving

666
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: people that information. So we are definitely moving towards it

667
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: because we have the knowledge. It's just not it's just

668
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: not part of the medical model here in Australia as yet.

669
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 3: So that's super exciting everyone.

670
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: It is like I mean, I love it, I love it.

671
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, proactive not reactive preventative, you know, so we're

672
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: so we're encouraging habits and behaviors and lifestyles and resources

673
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: that will means we're going to prevent people getting sick

674
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: versus having, you know, a little health model versus a

675
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: sickness management model, right, which is what we're currently in

676
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: trying to manage sickness. But the problem with the current

677
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: sickness management model that Australians live in is that it's

678
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: very fucking profitable.

679
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean there's also another issue. I don't necessarily agree,

680
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: even though I love what they're doing over in the

681
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: Middle East, and by the way, I've been doing a

682
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: bit of work in Dubai for the last two years.

683
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: It's another exciting thing. It might be a whole other podcast,

684
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: maybe doing some research with universities out in Abudwi and Dubai.

685
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: But the other thing is I don't agree with everyone

686
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: having their whole genome sequenced. I think it should be

687
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: a choice. Yeah, because someone like me, maybe someone won't

688
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 3: take that information. Knowing that I have the strongest genetic

689
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: respector for Alzheimer's and dementia, I take that on board

690
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: and I appreciate knowing that because it gives me a

691
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: bit of motivation when life is busy and crazy, to

692
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: just remind myself, this is what you've been dealt. We

693
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: need to we need to keep this in check. And

694
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: someone else might actually not react that way. That could

695
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: be more of a stress, more anxiety. And not everyone

696
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: wants to make the changes. I mean, this is what

697
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: you do, Craig. You're there trying to get people to

698
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: make change. Now. I use genetics for that because I

699
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: feel like when people understand their DNA, that's, you know,

700
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: that really helps them feel like they should be doing

701
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: these things. It's not just generic advice. This is about me.

702
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: I can see that this potentially is really going to

703
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: help me. But not everyone is wanting to make those

704
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: changes for whatever reasons. They're not going to change their diet,

705
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: they're not going to exercise, they're not going to you know.

706
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 3: So it's got to be the people that actually want

707
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 3: the information and that are willing or interested in living

708
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: that particular lifestyle. And that's not everyone.

709
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: And another moral slash ethical question that arises in my

710
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: little head anyway, is if we're and dating this that

711
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: everybody has to have it. Now, let's say like your

712
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: genetic predisposition to Alzheimer's what Let's say you didn't want

713
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: anyone to know that, and you're very brave and very

714
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: open and authentic, so you just tell us everything, right,

715
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: including the laser. Thanks for that, But you know, like

716
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: all and then all of that information is going somewhere.

717
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: Who's controlling all of that information and who's controlling the

718
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: safety of that and you know the privacy of that.

719
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I think there's anyway, let's not get political, but.

720
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: No, there's a lot of stuff around Saudi They only

721
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: want to do so that level of DNA testing. They

722
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: do not want that out of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

723
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: They don't want anyone else having that data. All this

724
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: stuff is talked about. They'll bring people like myself in

725
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: to help with that foundation, educating them on these risk factors,

726
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: the genetics to look for for chronic disease. But they

727
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: want everything in house within their country. They don't want anything,

728
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: you know, so nothing. They do not want any of

729
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: their data potentially being accessed or breached by anyone else. So,

730
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: and it's a very important question in the sense of

731
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: well what happens if someone does get this information. So

732
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: things are changing in Australia for those of you who've

733
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: had DNA testing, or if you're thinking about it, or

734
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: if you had it and this wasn't explained to you.

735
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: Because even back in the day when I did research

736
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: and we were doing genetic testing on all of our

737
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 3: patients in the recurrent miscarriage clinic or the hardest clinic,

738
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: trying to work out, you know, was there a genetic

739
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: component to the stillbirth or the preclamsy or whatever it was.

740
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 3: We I wasn't told then that this information legally back

741
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 3: then has changed. But back then, if you had done

742
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: any genetic testing and you want to get life insurance,

743
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: you had to disclose that you'd had genetic TIS testing

744
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: done and potentially, depending what was in that, it could

745
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: affect your life insurance. So that's also a huge problem.

746
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Thankfully it's taken a long time. That is no longer

747
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: the case in Australia, and part of that has always

748
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: been around, well, if that's the case, you're you're going

749
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: to prevent people doing research, us learning improving what we

750
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: know with genetics if it's going to basically hinder people

751
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: or it's going to have some sort of negative effect

752
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: on them. So things were changed a few years ago.

753
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: For example, if you had the brackagenes, you still could

754
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 3: get life insurance up which is associated with breast cancer

755
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: up to a certain amount like five hundred thousand, but

756
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: not the higher amounts. But now it's all changed. You

757
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: don't have to disclose that. Yeah, so things are changing

758
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: around privacy with DNA testing and genetics. In Europe, it's

759
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 3: always been much more for the consumer. So in Europe,

760
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: you know, they can't discriminate, they can't use that information.

761
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: But in Australia it was a little bit different. The

762
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 3: other thing is a lot of people have just given

763
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: their DNA away. They've gone and done twenty three and

764
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: me they've gone and done ancestry and they're like, great

765
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: for one hundred bucks on ninety bucks, I can get

766
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: all of this stuff done. They don't read the consent form.

767
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: They don't realize that all their information is their things

768
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: at one point were being sold to pharmaceutic companies. I

769
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: mean it should all be what we call de identified,

770
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: like what you would do with your research prey. You know,

771
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: we're not using personal details, but it's there. And I

772
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: think twenty three meters had a breach. But a lot

773
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: of people have given their data away, just like they

774
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: do on social media, and probably don't understand the consequences

775
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: potentially to that. But it's changing as we are moving

776
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 3: towards this as a potentially more conventional approach. I think

777
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: the regulations, the laws will get stronger and stricter to

778
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: protect us so that it can't come back and cause

779
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: any issues. But yeah, these are things that we almost

780
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: need to be in sort of catch up mode because

781
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: it's happening so quickly, and people have jumped in head first,

782
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: as I said to online DNA testing companies without seeing

783
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: a practitioner, without really knowing what they're doing, and having

784
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: their lots of people have done whole I have patients

785
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: that come to me that have done whole genome sequencing.

786
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: Now it can be done for less than one thousand dollars,

787
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: And then I have to say to them, I can't

788
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: interpret that you need to hold buy informatics team, you

789
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: need someone else, like unless I was still in a

790
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: lab and this was my assessment. But sometimes people don't

791
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: even really know what they're signing up for and what

792
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: they're getting, and they spend money and they don't even

793
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: know how to use the information.

794
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: And what would that have cost twenty years ago two

795
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: hundred grand.

796
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh, it wouldn't have even been available to the everyday person.

797
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: More than that, I would say, back in my do

798
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: in the olden days, when I used to don my

799
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: lab coat and do PCA and sequencing and DNA testing,

800
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: I used to test one snip that means one ale,

801
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: one little base pair change in a gene at a time.

802
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: So in the ten years I was in the lab,

803
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: we went from doing you know, one snip to you

804
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: could do hundreds on like a snip chip and micro

805
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: rays and all sorts of things. But it's come so far,

806
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean, nagin doing the whole whole genome and stuff.

807
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's it's definitely a lot more affordable,

808
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: a lot quicker. But the issue at the moment today

809
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, I'm guessing this will

810
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: come out next year, seeing we are only the way

811
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas. Everyone is like Christmas basically, right, Merry Christmas.

812
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: It's that it's the interpretation that's that's the biggest thing

813
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: at the moment, is about interpreting the information correctly. That's

814
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 3: where we need to do a lot of work.

815
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: Right now, what are the chances TIF of doing two

816
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: back to back podcasts completely coincidentally with Geneticists. We just

817
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: did we just yeah, we just did an episode just

818
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: before You, Denise with a guy called doctor Bill Sullivan.

819
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: I'll read you a bit of his bio. He's the

820
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: author of Please to Meet Me, Jeans, Germs, and the

821
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Curious Forces that make Us who we are. He's an

822
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: award winning professor at the Indiana University School of Medicine,

823
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: where he studies and teachers genetics and infectious diseases. Received

824
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: his PhD in CELA molecular biology from University of Pennsylvania.

825
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. He's been on CNN and Bloody a

826
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Million TV. Yeah, and you guys are You're different but

827
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: in the same wheelhouse.

828
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, I'll have to listen to that one. You

829
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: can connect us, Craig.

830
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, you would love him. He's In fact, I

831
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: thought after I got off the call with doctor Bill,

832
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: I thought, what would be a stellar chat would be

833
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: an hour and a half with both of you. Yeah,

834
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: because you'd want to ask him stuff, he'd want to

835
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: ask you stuff. I could just get myself a coffee,

836
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: sit in the bean bag. TIF could just play with

837
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: her fucking animals, and then we'd just come back eighty

838
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: minutes later and see how the both of you have gone.

839
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, and then just you know, do a little

840
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: bit of editing. That would be awesome. I would love it.

841
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: As I said, I was so excited when I was

842
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: in Read to meet these other geneticists because here in Australia,

843
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: my people, if I'm going to put it like that,

844
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: you know, with this integrated medicine community mainly GPS or naturopaths.

845
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: You know, I'm on the faculty education faculty with ACNUM,

846
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: SO with the Australian College of Nutrition Environmental Medicine, so

847
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: we teach. I teach genetics epigenetics to used to be

848
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: mainly GPS or doctors wanting to bring this into clinic

849
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: because some do more so these days, even naturopaths, nutritionists,

850
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: but there's not a lot of geneticists they are actually

851
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: doing this. I'm teaching doctors and practitioners how to do it.

852
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: So I was so excited when I went to Read

853
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: that I was with other geneticists that had been trained

854
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: in genetics that were also taking this on board. Because

855
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: when I was in my bubble of academia. I didn't

856
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: even know this was happening in the world. And I

857
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: am sure that we've discussed this on an earlier podcast,

858
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: but I gave a talk for ACNEM was twenty and twelve,

859
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, and I said, I think we're ready for

860
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: this in clinical practice. You know, we had an eighty

861
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: percent success rate in the recurrent miscarriage clinic. And that

862
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: wasn't just genetics. You know, there was a team, we

863
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: had sonographers looking for structural abnormalities in uterus. You know,

864
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: there's a whole team of people. But we had great success.

865
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 3: The genetics was a huge part of it, identifying certain things.

866
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: And I said, you know, we should be doing this

867
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: out in the real world, not just in a research sense.

868
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: And they kind of, you know, link my arm after

869
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: I've finished the presentation and they take me out and

870
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: there we go. When we're looking at all the sponsors,

871
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: three of them are genetic testing companies, and it was

872
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: already happening. And in my little world, I thought only

873
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: did this in a research sense. I had no idea

874
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: there were commercial companies and people could just do DNA testing,

875
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: which was great because I ended up obviously leaving and

876
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: then becoming a practitioner myself, and now I use places

877
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: like this because I don't have a lab anymore. But

878
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: that's the interesting thing. When you are an academic, you

879
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: just don't know that these things are actually happening in

880
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: the real world. So yeah, it was exciting to meet

881
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: other geneticists that were embracing this and people saying to me,

882
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 3: you know clinical geneticists that still run medical genetics clinics

883
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: and going, oh, methylation is so important, and they're bringing

884
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: this in medical model that they are truly bringing it together. Exciting.

885
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble with any GPS,

886
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: but GPS are correct me if you think I'm wrong.

887
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: But largely trained in treating and managing sickness, not in

888
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: promoting health per se. I mean they do, but indirectly, right, so,

889
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: which is that's what they're trained for. But obviously integrated

890
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: medicine and preventative medicine is a different models to spend.

891
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: Their own money, their own time, investing in themselves in

892
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: different ways, and many of them, you know, it's it's hard.

893
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: It's hard for some of these doctors. Some of them,

894
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: for example, my mentor, he's just such a he's in

895
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: his eighties, still working as a GP at the clinic

896
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: that you know, Craig down the road from you where

897
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: I used to be. He's up for the fight, you know,

898
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: in the sense of he'll he'll, he'll go up against

899
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: the medical board and things like that. But sometimes these things,

900
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: like you know, nutritional medicine was based was sort of

901
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: classified as complementary medicine. At one point, gps were potentially

902
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: losing their medical license for practicing complementary medicine or not

903
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: not doing exactly what the guidelines say. So for some

904
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: of these gps, not only is it money and time

905
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: to learn about nutrition, environmental toxins, the impact of stress,

906
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: the impact of genetics, you know that, they're also putting

907
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 3: themselves on the radar as well. So it's but things

908
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 3: are changing. Someone called Penny cold to Cott and a

909
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: huge team of people but led the way with you know,

910
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: working with the politicians the medical boards to try to

911
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: protect integrative doctors and also try to, I guess show

912
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: the differences between evidence based you know, what we do,

913
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: which is based on science, compared to sometimes some other

914
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: things that may not be so safe. A lot of

915
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: that been put in place now so there's a little

916
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: bit more protection. But at one point doctors were losing

917
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: their license pretty quickly if they were doing things that

918
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: were seen to be outside the scope. So that's that's

919
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: a bit sad, but that's because there's a model exactly

920
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: like what you said. It's based on, you know, waiting

921
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: for that diagnosis, that pharmaceutical model give those medications. And

922
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: I think it'll be quite a while before it changes

923
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: here in Australia, but it is happening.

924
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: I think also people perhaps maybe they realized, but they

925
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: probably don't think a lot that doctors are not trained

926
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: in nutrition. Doctors are not trained in exercise, prescription, doctors

927
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: are not trained in a lot of these things which

928
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: are just fundamentals of health, you know. And imagine if

929
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: we had a medical training paradigm where people go in

930
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: to do medicine and before we throw drugs, depending of

931
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: course on the issue or the condition, but imagine if

932
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: the first strategy was changing food, or was addressing sleep,

933
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: or was addressing you know, exercise or movement or you know,

934
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: all of these other things before we just start chucking

935
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: drugs at it. Now, I know that's not appropriate for

936
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: every condition, you know, but there are a lot of

937
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: conditions where you know, maybe the starting point is not

938
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: a drug. Maybe the starting point is that you have

939
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: lest you know, you've got anxiety. Let's cut out caffeine,

940
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: Let's cut out nicotine. Let's try and get some sleep.

941
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Let's do some movement, because we know that that promotes,

942
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, dopamine and turns on your parasympathetic nervous system

943
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: and will calm you down potentially depends, you know, Let's

944
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: do some other shit that's going to change what's happening

945
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: in your body biochemically before we go. Well, here's a

946
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: pill that doesn't actually fix anything. It just changes a

947
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: symptom temporarily, you know.

948
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: And then when you exercise, then you're more likely to

949
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: drink more water, and like you said, it affects that

950
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: parasympathetic system, so they're a bit calmer, they might sleep

951
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 3: better often after exercise. You might then choose a healthier food.

952
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: Like it's this kind of positive vicious cycle whereas you know,

953
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: getting them out of those habits and exactly what you said, Craig,

954
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: the medications. Although I'm not anti medication, you know, I've

955
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: had graves. Being on medication saved my life. You know,

956
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: I love the integrative model where we are utilizing this

957
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: you know this, the medicines and the pharmaceuticals that are

958
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: out there, because it can actually be life saving. And

959
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: I think medicine is amazing with emergency medicine, but when

960
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: it comes to the chronic health conditions, it's not working.

961
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: And we can say it without me bagging any doctors.

962
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: They are amazing GPS, even those that aren't even integrated.

963
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 3: You know, they're working their butts off. They've only got

964
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: two seconds. Of course I'm exaggerating, but you know, two

965
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: seconds to see each patient deal with all this stuff.

966
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 3: But the reality is these medications are fixing a symptom

967
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: like blood pressure medication so well, you know, we can

968
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: actually do so much and in most cases you probably

969
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: could turn around that hypertension through diet and lifestyle. I

970
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: mean with mine, I was told you'll never recover for

971
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: an autoimmune disease. You have to have your thire removed

972
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: or radioactive eye died, can't be near your baby, can't

973
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: be near your husband, can't go through traveling and all

974
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: these things. And you're like, that doesn't sound good. You

975
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: know I'm going to be radioactive. I can't be him

976
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: a child, and then we can give you hormone. It's okay,

977
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: because we can treat you. We've actually got something to

978
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: give you. It's fine. We can give you hormones and

979
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: replace what your thyroid does and you'll be okay. It's

980
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: actually common for women. It's fine. And you're like, that

981
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 3: does not sound fine, and so many people don't have.

982
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 3: I guess the background that I had and the support

983
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: again from my husband to question that, because when I

984
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: did question it, and we've definitely talked about this before,

985
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: but when we did question it, the endocrinologist said, well,

986
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: you'll die early, you won't have any more children. You know.

987
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: I'm leaving in tears. Came home just crying, an absolute mess,

988
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: saying to Ryan, I just just doesn't feel right. I

989
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 3: don't want to go down this path. And he came

990
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: with me to the next appointment. We asked for a

991
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: second opinion. We then see another top end of chronologist

992
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: who says, oh, no, I would never do that for

993
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: a reproductive age woman. He said, you'll stay on medication

994
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: anti thire medication. Then once you've had a child, because

995
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: you've had aggressive graves and you won't recover. So Simil

996
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: a message, but different treatment. He said, we will remove

997
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: your thyroid or you'll have the radiodivider after you've finished

998
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: having your children, because if we do this now, it'll

999
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: affect your fertility. An you're thinking, these are mainstream doctors,

1000
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: evidence based giving me different information. It's crazy, But I recovered,

1001
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: as you know. I mean, that was really my path

1002
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: into integrative medicine as well. And I'm so blessed that

1003
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: I do understand genetics and ne epigenetics, because I thought,

1004
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 3: this doesn't make sense. You know, we're not stagnant beings

1005
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: just because you get a diagnosis right now, you've got

1006
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: diabetes or hypertension or on autoimmune disease, something's triggered. That

1007
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: was it stress virus, nutrient deficiencies, genetic susceptibility. It's likely

1008
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: it was all of them. It's never just one thing,

1009
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: you know, lots of things have to come together for

1010
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 3: you to have that perfect storm and then get really sick.

1011
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: And depending on what manifests, that foundation is your genetics.

1012
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 3: So for me, I have all the genes for Graves disease,

1013
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: the autoimmune staff, I've got the HLA's with celia. I

1014
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: don't have celiac, but you know, there's a lot of

1015
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: things that are sort of all linked in that autoimmune stuff,

1016
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: mind you, fertility stuff no surprise, you know, babies and

1017
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: no ivf isshues or whatever. It's a strong point for me.

1018
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 3: But we all have these sort of strengths and these

1019
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: susceptibilities and predispositions, and if we're not living a certain

1020
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: kind of lifestyle, you know, a disconnection from our genetics

1021
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: and what our body needs. We can get sick. That's

1022
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: our body telling us something's wrong. But that's not a

1023
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: forever state. You don't stay sick forever. That's it unless

1024
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: you keep doing the same thing. If you change that environment,

1025
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: you change your diet, you change your exposures, you get

1026
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: out of that toxic relationship that whatever it is. You know,

1027
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: all the things that are coming in that are triggering

1028
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: all those negative effects. You change all that, you're going

1029
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: to get a different response. Now, I can't say to

1030
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: every single person you'll totally recover, but I can guarantee

1031
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: you'll get much much better. Depending on the level of

1032
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 3: damage to your body or certain tissues, you might still

1033
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: have to rely on a medication or there might be

1034
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: some thing, but you can one hundred percent get well

1035
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: and in extreme cases, I've even heard from a practitioner,

1036
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 3: a functional medicine doctor in the US, someone that had

1037
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: their thyroid removed it actually grew back. So yes, so

1038
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, the body's pretty amazing. I mean, we even

1039
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: just talking to my mother in law this morning about

1040
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: angiogenesis like the creation of new blood vessels because she's

1041
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: got a blockage and deciding whether she has surgery and

1042
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: going through all that with her and letting her know

1043
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: how much the body can heal and are if you're

1044
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: putting the right things in. But for everyone listening, you know,

1045
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: even if you are on a there's nothing against medication.

1046
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 3: You might need it to save your life. If you

1047
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: are experiencing something really severe, maybe it's a temporary fix

1048
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: while you then you know a bit of symptom relief,

1049
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: try to start to think about, well, what is going on,

1050
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: what got me here? And then what can I do

1051
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: to start to pull me out of this? And you

1052
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: may actually find that, you know, you're no longer reliant

1053
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: on medication to have a diagnosis, because that is fact

1054
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: that you are not just the same person forever in

1055
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: a day, we're constantly evolving. You sells all that stuff.

1056
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: So yesh, yeah, I love it, and I always encourage

1057
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: people to, you know, not with anything drastic, but do

1058
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: your own research. And what I mean by that is,

1059
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, try something like if you don't walk, then

1060
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: do thirty minutes of walking a day for thirty days

1061
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Or you know, really common miight

1062
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: I've done with at least. I actually did this on

1063
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: sen which is a radio station in Melbourne that I

1064
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: may or may not have talked to you on once,

1065
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Speaker 1: but yes we did. Yeah, I did a project with

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Speaker 1: listeners and we had a couple of hundred get involved,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure half of them dropped out. But so

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Speaker 1: I did a show then called the High Performance Show,

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Speaker 1: and I said, I was talking about this idea, and

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Speaker 1: the idea, it's the simplest idea ever, is just don't

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Speaker 1: drink any calories for a month. Right, So that's the

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Speaker 1: only change. So eat what you normally eat. Let's just

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Speaker 1: change one thing, but all of the calories that you take.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I spoke to many people who

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Speaker 1: have I would say most people have between five hundred

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Speaker 1: and one thousand calories a day of liquid. If you

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Speaker 1: add up like a fruit juice here and there, or

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Speaker 1: a couple of coffees or a beer or a whatever

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Speaker 1: milk on their thing or you know. And then so

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Speaker 1: I spoke to a guy who had we figured out

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Speaker 1: it was about nine hundred a day, and you go, well,

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Speaker 1: that's twenty seven thousand calories in a thirty day period

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00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: on top of your food, like, on top of your meals.

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Speaker 1: That's twenty seven thousand calories. And when you realize that

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Speaker 1: three and a half thousand calories equates to a pound

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Speaker 1: of fat, or seventy seven hundred calories equates to a

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Speaker 1: kilo of stored fat, because fat's just energy, blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah whatever. Right, I know it's not exactly that, but

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Speaker 1: just the idea of saying, well, let's remove twenty seven

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Speaker 1: thousand calories, keep your food the same, keep your movement

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Speaker 1: the same, keep your lifestyle the same. So that guy

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Speaker 1: did that and lost just over four k's And he

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Speaker 1: didn't exercise anymore, he didn't eat any less, but he

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Speaker 1: lost over four k's. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing that

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Speaker 1: you can. You know, you don't need to be Denise,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to be me. You don't need to

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Speaker 1: be a bloody physician. You can say, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: what I'm going to go from four coffee in the

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Speaker 1: day to one and I'll just see what happens. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do strength training twice a week for

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and that's the only change. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to do it for three weeks. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give up. I'm going to do it for six months,

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Speaker 1: two days a week, no matter what, and then see

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Speaker 1: what happens. You know, it's like we can run our

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Speaker 1: own experiments in an intelligent, safe.

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Speaker 3: Way and it's never too late. I remember when my

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Speaker 3: dad was still here, and you know, he was a smoker. Well, eventually,

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Speaker 3: in the end he wasn't a smoker because he couldn't

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Speaker 3: go and buy himself cigarettes. But while he still could

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Speaker 3: buy him self cigarettes, I was sort of suggesting that maybe,

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Speaker 3: seeing that he was having a lot of lung problems

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Speaker 3: and breathing problems, he should stop smoking. And he said,

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Speaker 3: I said, oh, it's too late for me, even spoke

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Speaker 3: to the cardiologist. Whatever, it doesn't matter now, I said, actually, Dad,

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Speaker 3: in a year's time, it'd almost have bloody, brand new

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Speaker 3: lungs like you know those cells are going to die

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Speaker 3: and to get new ones. Even with our liver, I've

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Speaker 3: had people say to me, I've kind of drunk my

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Speaker 3: whole life, or I took drugs when I was young.

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Speaker 3: This it's like, no, no, no, Your liver regenerates really quickly.

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00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 3: We can take a biopsy out of chunk and it

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Speaker 3: will grow back pretty quickly. So you start putting the

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Speaker 3: good nutrients in plenty of water, doing the right things,

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Speaker 3: those old cells die and then you get new cells

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Speaker 3: that are healthier. So it is never ever too late.

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Speaker 3: And I know, you know, I'm not sure what you

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Speaker 3: think about this, but kind of rounding off, I know

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Speaker 3: you've got I've got one more patient and then that's

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Speaker 3: it for Christmas. I wasn't going to work today, but

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Speaker 3: of course we love our business. We fit everything in

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Speaker 3: and you've got one other person. But new Year's goals.

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Speaker 3: I know, it's sort of one of those things you think, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, new Year's resolutions or goals. But one thing,

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Speaker 3: like you said, Craig, one small thing, because often that

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Speaker 3: one positive thing, if you can nail, that will lead

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Speaker 3: into something else, and it'll lead into something else. But

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Speaker 3: just and super simple doesn't have to be complicated, a

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Speaker 3: whole overhaul, just choosing one thing. So for me, everyone,

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Speaker 3: I'm putting this out there because it helps. For me.

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Speaker 3: It's committing to the gym. Even though I have a

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Speaker 3: full set up at home, I don't use it. I

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Speaker 3: have to go to the gym, and I tend to

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Speaker 3: prioritize everything else. Even this week meeting to the US

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Speaker 3: in the morning, patients fitting them in, and it was

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Speaker 3: a sign from the universe because the US meeting got canceled.

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Speaker 3: Something happened in the lab that I was meant to

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Speaker 3: meet another one patient's results wasn't ready. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I've pushed the gym aside to fit in these really

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Speaker 3: early morning meetings, trying to help people out, and they're

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Speaker 3: getting canceled anyway. So one thing, one thing, and for me, everyone, exercise.

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Speaker 3: Next time you see me. I'm going to be fit.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting my muscles back doing as everyone.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tell everybody how they can find you and

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01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: connect with you. Not that you need any more business

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Speaker 1: or any more work, but no.

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Speaker 3: Tell everyone, I have thirty thousand people like you on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: If you're on Instagram, make me cool, join me on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: I do my amazing assistant put stuff up there. So

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Speaker 3: if there's events or I have a Facebook group, I

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Speaker 3: pop in and I answer questions. We hang out. So

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Speaker 3: it's your Genes and Nutrition community. If you're a practitioner GP,

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Speaker 3: you know, registered practitioner. I have launched the Precision Health

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Speaker 3: Academy where I'm now teaching genetics epigenetic stuff. It's like

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Speaker 3: the most exciting thing in my life right now. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I will be seeing a lot more of you

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. Tiff Craig and Melissa, I know

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Speaker 3: you're listening there somewhere in the background.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're very excited. I'm excited to discover what the

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Speaker 1: intersection of your work and my work might be in

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Speaker 1: the book that we're going to write next year. So

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Speaker 1: we'll say goodbye for now. We'll say goodbye fair in

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Speaker 1: a minute, doctor Denise, doctor Tiff, thanks for your time. Bye,