WEBVTT - The nuclear debate goes global

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, November twenty just weeks after the government canceled

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<v Speaker 1>a space program worth seven billion dollars, it's been revealed

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk's SpaceX launched a satellite for the Australian Defense Force.

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<v Speaker 1>The secret communications device is part of a four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and five million dollar contract between the ADF and Optus.

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<v Speaker 1>Construction sites in Victoria could be subject to snap twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hour shutdowns in the coming days. Building unions say

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<v Speaker 1>they're concerned their offices could be targeted by bikis as

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<v Speaker 1>the fallout from the CFMEU scandal continues. Those stories alive

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<v Speaker 1>right now at the Australian dot com dot au. The

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<v Speaker 1>government has sidestepped urging by our orcus allies to give

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<v Speaker 1>civilians faster access to nuclear technology, and it's exposed a

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<v Speaker 1>deep irony in the Labour Party's position on nuclear in

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode, where the Government draws the line and how

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a golden opportunity for the opposition. On

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<v Speaker 1>Monday Night, at the United Nations Annual Climate Change Assembly,

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<v Speaker 1>the United Kingdom's Energy Secretary ed Milliband and the United

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<v Speaker 1>States Deputy Secretary of Energy David Turk signed an agreement

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<v Speaker 1>to pour billions of dollars into the research and development

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<v Speaker 1>of nuclear technology. It's part of a bigger plan to

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<v Speaker 1>cut carbon emissions and provide security for the energy industry

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<v Speaker 1>as it transitions from fossil fuels to renewable energy solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty one nations have already signed on to help triple

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear capacity before the end of the decade and make

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<v Speaker 1>new nuclear technology available by twenty fifty, and our UCUST

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<v Speaker 1>allies made it abundantly clear they expect Australia to get

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<v Speaker 1>on board. But on Tuesday Australia's Climate Change minister said

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<v Speaker 1>that's a hard no.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not unexpected that Australia would not support this

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear proposal. There was one at the last cop meeting

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<v Speaker 2>and we didn't support that. We are an observer.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Shenahan is The Australian's national editor.

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<v Speaker 2>But the real problem for the government in this case

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<v Speaker 2>was that Ed Miliband, the UK Energy Secretary, said we

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<v Speaker 2>were expected to sign it, and he referred to our allies,

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, our ORCUS partners with whom we have

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<v Speaker 2>a nuclear powered Submarine Agreement wanted US to join the

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<v Speaker 2>new Enhanced Development Program for civilian nuclear energy. Now okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the government decided not to do that in keeping with

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<v Speaker 2>its policy, but it was an ill prepared decision and

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<v Speaker 2>what it has done has highlighted the contradictory nature of

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<v Speaker 2>actually having a nuclear powered submarine program. And once again

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lack of preparedness in something that Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Bowen knew was coming. It happened at the last COP,

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to happen at this COP, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>we were caught flat footed and embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Bowen is in Azerbaijan for COP twenty nine and

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<v Speaker 1>a statement released by his office said more or less

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<v Speaker 1>that Australia doesn't need nuclear power because we have better weather.

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<v Speaker 1>It's being read by a voice actor.

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<v Speaker 3>Our international partners understand that Australia's abundance of renewable energy

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<v Speaker 3>resources makes new nuclear power an unviable option for inclusion

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<v Speaker 3>in our energy mix.

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<v Speaker 1>For decarbonization efforts, Labour is backing renewables like solar as

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<v Speaker 1>the path forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Put simply, London has only one thousand, six hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>thirty three hours of sunshine hours in an average year.

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<v Speaker 3>By comparison, Australia's least sunny capital city is Melbourne with

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand, three hundred and sixty two, while our sunniest

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<v Speaker 3>capital city is Perth has three thy two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The statement dropped in the midst of a ferocious attack

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<v Speaker 1>by Labor on the Liberal Party's nuclear policy. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>Acting Prime Minister Richard Miles in Parliament on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>For Australia, pursuing a path of nuclear energy would represent

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<v Speaker 4>pursuing the single most expensive electricity option on the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>Environment Minister tenure pl said nuclear energy takes too long

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<v Speaker 1>to develop, meaning millions of tons of carbon will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be pumped into the atmosphere in the meantime.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes the government look too ideologically driven and it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look at the making a serious decision about the

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<v Speaker 2>appeal from the US and the UK, oh and about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty other nations leading nations gluting Canada and France, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just makes it look like we are isolating ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not talking about some of the clearly very

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<v Speaker 2>serious issues, and not just the firming of energy, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what Ed Milliband was talking about, but also the

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<v Speaker 2>cutting of carbon emissions. So the UK and the US,

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<v Speaker 2>a labor government and a democratic government, we're asking Australian

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<v Speaker 2>labor government to join them in securing energy security and

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<v Speaker 2>cutting carbon emissions as part of the decarbonization of industry.

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<v Speaker 2>So it seems pretty obvious that at least we should

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it, and so I think the way the

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<v Speaker 2>government has gone about it, declaring its outlawed and using

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<v Speaker 2>an argument that oh the Perth and Melbourne, even Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>is sunnier than London and makes it look a bit puole.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the British government's nuclear sized gift to Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in June, Opposition leader Peter Dutton announced his party's

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<v Speaker 1>plan to establish nuclear reactors at seven locations around Australia

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<v Speaker 1>if the coalition gets up at the next election.

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<v Speaker 5>We know that the government has a renewables only policy

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<v Speaker 5>which is just not fit for purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>The announcement was the centerpiece of a radical newsstands on

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<v Speaker 1>energy policy that could see the government's legislated twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 1>emissions reductions target scrapped.

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<v Speaker 5>No other country in the world can keep the lights

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<v Speaker 5>on twenty four to seven with the renewables only policy.

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<v Speaker 5>We need to make sure that hospitals can stay on

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<v Speaker 5>twenty four to seven. We need to make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>cold rooms can stay on twenty four seven. We need

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<v Speaker 5>to make sure that our economy can function twenty four

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<v Speaker 5>to seven, and we can only do that with a

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<v Speaker 5>strong base low power.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the US and the UK urged Australia to

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<v Speaker 1>join that global movement towards nuclear it gave Peter Dunnen

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<v Speaker 1>a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>What they've done is put out a perfectly logical, perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable approach to expanding civilian nuclear energy around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>working to get with a whole range of other nations,

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<v Speaker 2>including China, to actually reduce carbon emissions and provide more

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<v Speaker 2>secure and cheaper energy to industry. Now this seemed perfectly reasonable,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet Australia is now being seen to reject it utterly,

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter Dutton immediately picked up on it and said

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is now isolating itself and he used the term

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<v Speaker 2>we're embarrassing ourselves on the world stage. Now here's Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 2>leader of the Coalition, saying that the Labor Party is

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassing itself on the world stage over what climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Coalition has been vague on the details, refusing

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<v Speaker 1>to release detailed costings of the nuclear scheme, which would

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<v Speaker 1>see a mix of smaller modular nuclear reactors and full

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<v Speaker 1>size facilities built on the sites of existing power stations.

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<v Speaker 2>So he is fudging on his own costings, the details

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<v Speaker 2>of his own policy, and yet today has given him

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<v Speaker 2>another excuse to attack Labor over climate change and nuclear energy.

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<v Speaker 2>It turned around in twenty four hours. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>good politics. It helps Dutton and it helps him slip

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<v Speaker 2>out from under once again on not having to provide

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<v Speaker 2>the detail of his own policy, which he should be

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<v Speaker 2>providing and which people are saying he should provide, but

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<v Speaker 2>Labour gives him another excuse to avoid it.

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<v Speaker 1>And with the cost of living front of mind for

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<v Speaker 1>most voters in the run up to next year's federal election,

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<v Speaker 1>the major parties are keen to pitch their solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>What Labor is trying to do is reduce the nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>argument to one of cost, and what they are saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that Peter Dutton's nuclear policy will cost more than

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<v Speaker 2>their renewables policy. One of the other reasons, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>is they can't use the old argument about nuclear being

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous because they're actually buying eight nuclear reactors from the

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<v Speaker 2>UK for the submarines. The problem for them in why

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing this is that Dutton has pursued the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living and the cost of energy and at the

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<v Speaker 2>last election Anthony Albanasi promised on more than ninety occasions

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<v Speaker 2>that people's power bills would drop by two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five dollars and come January one, that's an officially

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<v Speaker 2>broken promise. So yes, the cost of living will be

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<v Speaker 2>the main element, but energy will be at the heart

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<v Speaker 2>of that, not just on the cost, but on what

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<v Speaker 2>plans you have to address it. Dutton's argument is if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have nuclear in the mix, you can't have

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<v Speaker 2>reliable and you will have more expensive renewable energy because

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<v Speaker 2>of transmission costs. So it is a fight over the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living, it's a fight over the cost of energy,

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<v Speaker 2>and nuclear is the vehicle with which the two sides

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to have it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's National editor. You can read

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