1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, November twenty just weeks after the government canceled 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: a space program worth seven billion dollars, it's been revealed 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Elon Musk's SpaceX launched a satellite for the Australian Defense Force. 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: The secret communications device is part of a four hundred 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: and five million dollar contract between the ADF and Optus. 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Construction sites in Victoria could be subject to snap twenty 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: four hour shutdowns in the coming days. Building unions say 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: they're concerned their offices could be targeted by bikis as 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: the fallout from the CFMEU scandal continues. Those stories alive 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com dot au. The 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: government has sidestepped urging by our orcus allies to give 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: civilians faster access to nuclear technology, and it's exposed a 14 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: deep irony in the Labour Party's position on nuclear in 15 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: today's episode, where the Government draws the line and how 16 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: it could be a golden opportunity for the opposition. On 17 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Monday Night, at the United Nations Annual Climate Change Assembly, 18 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom's Energy Secretary ed Milliband and the United 19 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: States Deputy Secretary of Energy David Turk signed an agreement 20 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: to pour billions of dollars into the research and development 21 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: of nuclear technology. It's part of a bigger plan to 22 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: cut carbon emissions and provide security for the energy industry 23 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: as it transitions from fossil fuels to renewable energy solutions. 24 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Thirty one nations have already signed on to help triple 25 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: nuclear capacity before the end of the decade and make 26 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: new nuclear technology available by twenty fifty, and our UCUST 27 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: allies made it abundantly clear they expect Australia to get 28 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: on board. But on Tuesday Australia's Climate Change minister said 29 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: that's a hard no. 30 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: It was not unexpected that Australia would not support this 31 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: nuclear proposal. There was one at the last cop meeting 32 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: and we didn't support that. We are an observer. 33 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: Dennis Shenahan is The Australian's national editor. 34 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: But the real problem for the government in this case 35 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: was that Ed Miliband, the UK Energy Secretary, said we 36 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: were expected to sign it, and he referred to our allies, 37 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: in other words, our ORCUS partners with whom we have 38 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: a nuclear powered Submarine Agreement wanted US to join the 39 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: new Enhanced Development Program for civilian nuclear energy. Now okay, 40 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: the government decided not to do that in keeping with 41 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: its policy, but it was an ill prepared decision and 42 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: what it has done has highlighted the contradictory nature of 43 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: actually having a nuclear powered submarine program. And once again 44 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: there was a lack of preparedness in something that Chris 45 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: Bowen knew was coming. It happened at the last COP, 46 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: it was going to happen at this COP, and yet 47 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: we were caught flat footed and embarrassed. 48 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Chris Bowen is in Azerbaijan for COP twenty nine and 49 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: a statement released by his office said more or less 50 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: that Australia doesn't need nuclear power because we have better weather. 51 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: It's being read by a voice actor. 52 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: Our international partners understand that Australia's abundance of renewable energy 53 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: resources makes new nuclear power an unviable option for inclusion 54 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: in our energy mix. 55 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: For decarbonization efforts, Labour is backing renewables like solar as 56 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: the path forward. 57 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Put simply, London has only one thousand, six hundred and 58 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: thirty three hours of sunshine hours in an average year. 59 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: By comparison, Australia's least sunny capital city is Melbourne with 60 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: two thousand, three hundred and sixty two, while our sunniest 61 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: capital city is Perth has three thy two hundred and 62 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: twenty nine. 63 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: The statement dropped in the midst of a ferocious attack 64 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: by Labor on the Liberal Party's nuclear policy. Here's the 65 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Acting Prime Minister Richard Miles in Parliament on Tuesday. 66 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: For Australia, pursuing a path of nuclear energy would represent 67 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 4: pursuing the single most expensive electricity option on the planet. 68 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: Environment Minister tenure pl said nuclear energy takes too long 69 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: to develop, meaning millions of tons of carbon will continue 70 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: to be pumped into the atmosphere in the meantime. 71 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: It makes the government look too ideologically driven and it 72 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: doesn't look at the making a serious decision about the 73 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: appeal from the US and the UK, oh and about 74 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: thirty other nations leading nations gluting Canada and France, and 75 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: it just makes it look like we are isolating ourselves 76 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: and we're not talking about some of the clearly very 77 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: serious issues, and not just the firming of energy, which 78 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: is what Ed Milliband was talking about, but also the 79 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: cutting of carbon emissions. So the UK and the US, 80 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: a labor government and a democratic government, we're asking Australian 81 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: labor government to join them in securing energy security and 82 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: cutting carbon emissions as part of the decarbonization of industry. 83 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: So it seems pretty obvious that at least we should 84 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: talk about it, and so I think the way the 85 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: government has gone about it, declaring its outlawed and using 86 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: an argument that oh the Perth and Melbourne, even Melbourne 87 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: is sunnier than London and makes it look a bit puole. 88 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: Coming up the British government's nuclear sized gift to Peter Dutton. 89 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Back in June, Opposition leader Peter Dutton announced his party's 90 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: plan to establish nuclear reactors at seven locations around Australia 91 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: if the coalition gets up at the next election. 92 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 5: We know that the government has a renewables only policy 93 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 5: which is just not fit for purpose. 94 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: The announcement was the centerpiece of a radical newsstands on 95 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: energy policy that could see the government's legislated twenty thirty 96 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: emissions reductions target scrapped. 97 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 5: No other country in the world can keep the lights 98 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 5: on twenty four to seven with the renewables only policy. 99 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 5: We need to make sure that hospitals can stay on 100 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: twenty four to seven. We need to make sure that 101 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 5: cold rooms can stay on twenty four seven. We need 102 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 5: to make sure that our economy can function twenty four 103 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 5: to seven, and we can only do that with a 104 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 5: strong base low power. 105 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: So when the US and the UK urged Australia to 106 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: join that global movement towards nuclear it gave Peter Dunnen 107 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: a gift. 108 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: What they've done is put out a perfectly logical, perfectly 109 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: reasonable approach to expanding civilian nuclear energy around the world, 110 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: working to get with a whole range of other nations, 111 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: including China, to actually reduce carbon emissions and provide more 112 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: secure and cheaper energy to industry. Now this seemed perfectly reasonable, 113 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: and yet Australia is now being seen to reject it utterly, 114 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: and Peter Dutton immediately picked up on it and said 115 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: Australia is now isolating itself and he used the term 116 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: we're embarrassing ourselves on the world stage. Now here's Peter Dutton, 117 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: leader of the Coalition, saying that the Labor Party is 118 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: embarrassing itself on the world stage over what climate change. 119 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: But the Coalition has been vague on the details, refusing 120 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: to release detailed costings of the nuclear scheme, which would 121 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: see a mix of smaller modular nuclear reactors and full 122 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: size facilities built on the sites of existing power stations. 123 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: So he is fudging on his own costings, the details 124 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: of his own policy, and yet today has given him 125 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: another excuse to attack Labor over climate change and nuclear energy. 126 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: It turned around in twenty four hours. This is not 127 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: good politics. It helps Dutton and it helps him slip 128 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: out from under once again on not having to provide 129 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: the detail of his own policy, which he should be 130 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: providing and which people are saying he should provide, but 131 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: Labour gives him another excuse to avoid it. 132 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: And with the cost of living front of mind for 133 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: most voters in the run up to next year's federal election, 134 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: the major parties are keen to pitch their solutions. 135 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: What Labor is trying to do is reduce the nuclear 136 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: argument to one of cost, and what they are saying 137 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: is that Peter Dutton's nuclear policy will cost more than 138 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: their renewables policy. One of the other reasons, of course, 139 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: is they can't use the old argument about nuclear being 140 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: dangerous because they're actually buying eight nuclear reactors from the 141 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: UK for the submarines. The problem for them in why 142 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: they're doing this is that Dutton has pursued the cost 143 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: of living and the cost of energy and at the 144 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: last election Anthony Albanasi promised on more than ninety occasions 145 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: that people's power bills would drop by two hundred and 146 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: seventy five dollars and come January one, that's an officially 147 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: broken promise. So yes, the cost of living will be 148 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: the main element, but energy will be at the heart 149 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: of that, not just on the cost, but on what 150 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: plans you have to address it. Dutton's argument is if 151 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: you don't have nuclear in the mix, you can't have 152 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: reliable and you will have more expensive renewable energy because 153 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: of transmission costs. So it is a fight over the 154 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: cost of living, it's a fight over the cost of energy, 155 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: and nuclear is the vehicle with which the two sides 156 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: are trying to have it out. 157 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's National editor. 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