Speaker 1: Forty five funks. Patrick Crips didn't just break the previous
Speaker 1: Brownlow record, he obliterated it and even though Nick Dakos
Speaker 1: betted it too, he was the length of the straight
Speaker 1: behind in second? Was Crips that good in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four as a Brownlow jump to Shark. Hello and welcome
Speaker 1: to the Herald Sun Footy Podcast. I'm Andy Blaise and
Speaker 1: Glenn McFarlane will join me coming up to chat Monday
Speaker 1: night's stunning result. And you may have heard It's Grand
Speaker 1: Final Week where the artists formerly known as South Melbourne
Speaker 1: and Fitzroy will meet for the first time in the
Speaker 1: decider since the nineteenth century. We'll have a look at
Speaker 1: all things GF. Here's mccos and here on the Herald
Speaker 1: Sun Footy Podcast. Well, it is the morning after the
Speaker 1: night before a historic Brownlow medal. I'm Andy Blaise and
Speaker 1: I'm joined by Glenn McParland mcagaday.
Speaker 2: Andy, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm going all right? It was quite a stunning and
Speaker 1: almost unbelievable thing that happened last night. Mac of forty
Speaker 1: votes to win the brown Low Medal, way way above
Speaker 1: anything we've ever seen before.
Speaker 3: Forty five votes I know. That's incredible, isn't it. That's
Speaker 3: two seasons of Browlau for a winner of recent times.
Speaker 3: Mind you, we have gravitated into the thirties, and there
Speaker 3: was always going to be a situation where we maybe
Speaker 3: hit forty but not forty five.
Speaker 2: So I think they got the right winner.
Speaker 3: Whether they got the right number of votes for the
Speaker 3: winner and the runner up, I'm not so sure, but
Speaker 3: certainly they got the right I'm comfortable with the winner.
Speaker 3: Just interesting to see what happens next, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's almost an old fashioned the way that it played out.
Speaker 1: Other than the forty five votes, the fact that Patrick Cripps,
Speaker 1: you know, the Blues were there and there about, but
Speaker 1: they just snuck into the eight. They weren't the dominant
Speaker 1: one of the dominant teams. He was the dominant player.
Speaker 1: It was almost a Bobby Skilton career. The day win,
Speaker 1: the Swans would finish mid to low table, and he
Speaker 1: was the only you know, he was the dominant player
Speaker 1: in any game.
Speaker 3: Well you look at that, you look at forty five
Speaker 3: from Patrick Cripps, then you have to go down twenty
Speaker 3: nine votes to the next one, Sam wol sixteen, which
Speaker 3: is a creditable sixteen and then you go down to
Speaker 3: six Harry McKay amazing, and you think of the two
Speaker 3: all Australians at Carlton. You've got Patrick Cripps forty five,
Speaker 3: You've got Jacob Witering zero votes. So it is, you know,
Speaker 3: And I look back at a couple of counts in
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties and they were winging at being a
Speaker 3: midfield as medal back then. So it is very much
Speaker 3: a midfield as metal and we understand that. I love
Speaker 3: the romance of the Umpires still doing it. I know
Speaker 3: there's some people who this morning are saying maybe that's
Speaker 3: not the.
Speaker 2: Right way to go.
Speaker 3: We've all got our different thoughts, but maybe they do
Speaker 3: need a little bit of help.
Speaker 2: But I would be sticking with the Umpires.
Speaker 1: My first thought was, jeez, has the Brownlow jumped the shark?
Speaker 1: You know? Is this sort of a bit ridiculous? But no,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. It's always been the Umpires medal,
Speaker 1: So whether or not, I mean, it's up to the
Speaker 1: people and it's up to the league, and it's up
Speaker 1: to us as fans whether we take we see this
Speaker 1: as the glittering prize above all others. You know, we've
Speaker 1: got Coaches Award, we've got the Players Association awards, things
Speaker 1: like that. But I think we've decided and it'll never
Speaker 1: change it. The Brownlow is the one, I think. So
Speaker 1: Brownlow's voted on by the umpires. I think there's some
Speaker 1: changes that could be made.
Speaker 2: What would we do?
Speaker 3: So, I personally think the umpires should have access to
Speaker 3: the stats. Now, I'm sure it's their decision as much
Speaker 3: as anything else. I think they've been given the other opportunity.
Speaker 3: They prefer not to do that. Everyone else who votes
Speaker 3: on any award, whether it be the Coaches Association, whether
Speaker 3: it be you know Players who you know Players Award
Speaker 3: as well, whether it be our own Herald Sun Footy
Speaker 3: Award or whatever, we actually have access to the stats.
Speaker 3: So I would have absolutely no problem. It may not
Speaker 3: change the way the vote goes, because, as I said,
Speaker 3: I think the right winner one and I think the
Speaker 3: runner up was absolutely could.
Speaker 2: Have been the winner as well.
Speaker 3: Sure, but I just wonder whether they you know, that
Speaker 3: percentage of forty five and thirty eight votes might just
Speaker 3: come back a bit if you have a look at
Speaker 3: some of the stats.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I quite like the romance of no stats like that
Speaker 1: no stats. I quite like the idea of, you know,
Speaker 1: the umpires coming to the room after the game and
Speaker 1: then say, oh so who was who was best? But
Speaker 1: I actually think.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a way we have you got have
Speaker 2: you got a solution?
Speaker 1: My solution is, I think all four umpires should before
Speaker 1: they come together, they give their three two one in
Speaker 1: isolation each of them, and then they take an average
Speaker 1: of the vote.
Speaker 3: So that's like the norm Smith. So that's the way
Speaker 3: we do a normal Smith. There's four generally four or five.
Speaker 3: I think mostly there's five now norm Smith voters, and
Speaker 3: they collate. They don't confer at all. If they collate independently,
Speaker 3: and they bring together the actual and then there's a
Speaker 3: there's a judge at the top of it who can
Speaker 3: overrule it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a senior umpire of the of the
Speaker 1: four in any one game, who can, you know, give
Speaker 1: the deciding for a tie. But I think that gives
Speaker 1: you full coverage of the interesting So that means that
Speaker 1: you know, the center bounds umpire who's giving Patrick Cripps
Speaker 1: three votes. Well, maybe there's the umpire who's looking after
Speaker 1: the Blues back line in the second quarter, well, Jacob
Speaker 1: Wiedering played, well, I'm going to get votes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it is amazing when you think of the
Speaker 3: year that he had he didn't get a vote. So
Speaker 3: it is one of those ones. I don't think we'll
Speaker 3: see any imminent change. I really don't, because the AFL
Speaker 3: covert this award and it is an extra I mean,
Speaker 3: the history of this award is remarkable, as we know,
Speaker 3: you know, one hundred years now, it's one hundred years
Speaker 3: since Cargi Greave's got, you know, the first medal, and
Speaker 3: you go back only a few years ago, not that
Speaker 3: many years ago. I think the Dipper was seventeen votes,
Speaker 3: and I think Gavin Wanganeen might have been eighteen votes.
Speaker 3: Tore was eighteen votes, so we've now more than double that.
Speaker 3: So what it says to me in the umpires, under
Speaker 3: enormous pressure they always have been, is that they revert
Speaker 3: to the seemingly obvious in front of them more than
Speaker 3: they've ever done. And whether that's the right thing or
Speaker 3: the wrong thing, I'm not sure. But as I sort
Speaker 3: of said, I'm really comfortable with Patrick Crips. There were
Speaker 3: a few that I think, you know, always look at
Speaker 3: the brownlow my fascination of the Brownlow is you're looking
Speaker 3: to see who's going to win it next year, or
Speaker 3: who's going to win it. You look at the guy
Speaker 3: who's poled out of his skin, you know, and could
Speaker 3: be the one coming.
Speaker 2: Through next year.
Speaker 3: Is it a Matt Rowel, Is it a Caleb so Wrong?
Speaker 3: Is it a Zach Butters who's going to win one
Speaker 3: at some stage soon? But gee, Patrick Crips, you look
Speaker 3: at him now, he's at the top of his game.
Speaker 3: We talked about Lockie Neil winning three. Can Patrick Cripps
Speaker 3: win three?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I think he can.
Speaker 1: He probably can.
Speaker 2: I'm on forty five votes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely well. And then you look at the players
Speaker 1: who probably pold fewer votes. Then you know, for all
Speaker 1: the Patrick Crips who polled far more than anyone ever predicted,
Speaker 1: you've got a Marcus Bond and Pelly who, personally I
Speaker 1: still consider him the benchmark in the competition. I think
Speaker 1: he's the best player that we've seen over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, and he's going to It looks to
Speaker 1: be the case that he might become one of those,
Speaker 1: you know, Lee Matthews, Wayne Kerry, Gary Ablett, the best
Speaker 1: players we've ever seen not winning.
Speaker 2: A medal, and that happens.
Speaker 3: We know that happens, and that's the situation with the
Speaker 3: Brown Levy from his own club, Scott Scott West came
Speaker 3: so close on so many occasions to winning this award,
Speaker 3: and personally I thought Bonk would win it last year.
Speaker 2: Didn't lock in Neil one.
Speaker 3: We know that, and I thought he'd polled really well
Speaker 3: this year and he did. Let's be honest, nineteen in
Speaker 3: you know, twenty thirty years ago would win you the medal,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't win your medal now. And I was
Speaker 3: surprised that he didn't get in the mid to late
Speaker 3: twenties at least, So I'd love to say that he's
Speaker 3: going to win one time. It probably wasn't as good
Speaker 3: as his year this year, probably wasn't as good as
Speaker 3: his year last year, but it was a far off
Speaker 3: correct And I thought it was awesome to see Adam
Speaker 3: Trelaw get some you know, finally get some cutos and
Speaker 3: poll twenty six votes was outstanding and you could see
Speaker 3: he was a bit awkward there, ad sitting right near
Speaker 3: Bonk thinking I'm taking votes off you, but he absolutely
Speaker 3: deserved that. It was fantastic to see what he could do.
Speaker 1: Going back to the fact that they're not using the
Speaker 1: stats this year, I wonder if you know, a bit
Speaker 1: of the older always said back in the day that
Speaker 1: Peter Hudson never won one because when he kicked eight
Speaker 1: goals instead of twelve, the umpires would judge him harshly
Speaker 1: because he didn't play as well. I wonder if a
Speaker 1: bit of that comes into it. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: the bond wasn't quite as good as we expected him
Speaker 1: to be, so we give it to trelaor or you know,
Speaker 1: we mark him.
Speaker 3: Down maybe, which is weird because you look at someone
Speaker 3: like Cripson Cripple was getting votes in games, you thought, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe not. So it's to me, it's the romance of
Speaker 3: we don't know what the hell they're going to do.
Speaker 2: Generally, they get the right winner generally.
Speaker 3: So I'm not a person that would ever want to
Speaker 3: change it because I love the romance of it. I
Speaker 3: got to say, I've been watching him for decades and
Speaker 3: I still love Brownlow Metal Night. There's a bit of
Speaker 3: magic and a bit of romance about it. But it
Speaker 3: is going to be interesting. I don't think there will
Speaker 3: be any imminent change because even with the eligibility, and
Speaker 3: that would have been a bit would have become a
Speaker 3: really big issue if Isaac heen he hadn't have lost
Speaker 3: by seventeen. Can I say that again seventeen But there's
Speaker 3: no scope to change that. The AFL are really confident,
Speaker 3: they don't want to be doing anything like that. Likewise,
Speaker 3: I think that'll be the same with the umpires.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think the only thing the AFL probably
Speaker 1: might have pause this morning about is that it was
Speaker 1: decided so early in account. Channel seven may not have
Speaker 1: been particularly happy people. I wonder if they found people
Speaker 1: switching off once they you know, because Monday night to
Speaker 1: workdays Tuesday. You wonder if people are like, oh, crips,
Speaker 1: one bang off and missed the last couple of round.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they would have much preferred to
Speaker 1: come down to them and let's give them, give it
Speaker 1: to and we so decide, Hey, Macca, it's Grand Final week.
Speaker 1: There are two traditional teams, but for victorians interstate teams
Speaker 1: in the Grand Final, why don't we take a break,
Speaker 1: come back and have a bit of a look here
Speaker 1: on the Herald Sunfooty podcast, I'm Andy Belaiz. Glen McFarlane
Speaker 1: is joining me Maca. The Lions and the Swans will
Speaker 1: face off in the Grand Final. I'm actually really excited
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 3: I think they're two very, very worthy sides and we're
Speaker 3: going back, you know, something like one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: five years since the Lines and Swans have played in
Speaker 3: the Grand Final together, ninety nine and amazing. I did
Speaker 3: a really good look back yesterday on that particular game.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. I didn't cover it.
Speaker 3: It's not true, but at the Junction over, yeah, the
Speaker 3: Junction Oval, there was a there was a wrangling over
Speaker 3: of where it should be played, and there were threats
Speaker 3: of clubs not playing and then there was nearly a
Speaker 3: flood that day. South Melbourne didn't want to play at
Speaker 3: Fitzroy did. So there's a lot in that particular game.
Speaker 3: But I think these two teams, they've been you know,
Speaker 3: the fact that they've had Grand Final heartache over the
Speaker 3: last two years. You go back to I think sort
Speaker 3: of might have been like ninety five may have been
Speaker 3: the last time. I think, wasn't it that the two
Speaker 3: teams from the previous two Grand Finals we lost ninety three? Yeah,
Speaker 3: four in that particular game, and I think this has got,
Speaker 3: you know, the potential to be an outstanding Grand Final.
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty evenly matched.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw their game earlier in
Speaker 3: the year when they played not many weeks ago up
Speaker 3: at the GABA and Brisbane prevailed in that it was
Speaker 3: a classic game. And you know when you got a
Speaker 3: player like Isaac Heeney at the top of his game
Speaker 3: and we saw Cam Rainer who's got the potential to
Speaker 3: get to that level. I think it's a really exciting
Speaker 3: Grand Final. And the two coaches got a lot of time.
Speaker 3: For both of those coaches. I think Chris Fagan's just
Speaker 3: a remarkable story and John Longmire, this bloke we're doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing a story with Ralphie for later in the
Speaker 3: week on the heartbreak kid who had a bit of
Speaker 3: heart black break as a player, and he's had a
Speaker 3: bit of heartbreaking Grand finals other than the twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: which was one of the great ones.
Speaker 1: A long time ago.
Speaker 3: Seems like a long time for particularly he's lost game
Speaker 3: at three since Yeah, would you look at that? He
Speaker 3: It's got great narratives around all this. You know, there's
Speaker 3: some really great stories around this and I got to say,
Speaker 3: as a Victorian, I don't care that these two teams
Speaker 3: maybe based outside. There's a lot of I spoke to
Speaker 3: someone from the Brisbane lines this morning and they got
Speaker 3: ten thousand Melbourne members.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: That's a lot more than Fitzroy finished with.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and the Swans have got a great base here
Speaker 3: as well, so plenty of great narratives.
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I think I think the Lions. I'd
Speaker 1: love to see the Lions win because I really like
Speaker 1: the way they play. I think Oscar MacKinnon, he's a
Speaker 1: big I just think I think Heathbreaking he's a very
Speaker 1: he's a dominant ruck and he's a really important player
Speaker 1: for them. I mean Darcy Fort, good luck to him.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.
Speaker 3: Thirty five games hasn't played since Anzac Day this year,
Speaker 3: when you think that long ago. But the good news
Speaker 3: for Brisbane is that they did play in the VFL
Speaker 3: for laid into the final series, so there's he's got
Speaker 3: enough around him. But gee, it's going to be a
Speaker 3: you know, Brodie Grundy, who I think he's part of
Speaker 3: the great storyline. I mean, he was I remember the
Speaker 3: twenty and eighteen Grand Final. He could barely walk that
Speaker 3: night after the game. He was that soare came so
Speaker 3: close twenty eighteen to a premiership and then missed it
Speaker 3: by heading off to Well, he had to head off,
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, he had to head off.
Speaker 2: To Melbourne and you know wasn't playing.
Speaker 3: And I think he was doing some sort of exam
Speaker 3: or a course on Grand Final day last year or
Speaker 3: as this time, he'll be there in the middle of
Speaker 3: the mcg and he might just hold the key to
Speaker 3: the game in his own hand.
Speaker 1: He might have. You got a tip for us, Mackie
Speaker 1: got a normous tip for us.
Speaker 3: This is really hard. I've agonized and agonized, but I
Speaker 3: did tip Sydney at the start of mid midway through
Speaker 3: the season, and I tipp him at the start of
Speaker 3: the final series.
Speaker 2: So I won't jump off now.
Speaker 3: But I think Sydney by a point this will be
Speaker 3: a classic and Isaac Keeney. No one is playing as
Speaker 3: dynamic as Isaac Keeny at the moment, so I'd be
Speaker 3: taking the soft option. Sydney by a point, certainly by
Speaker 3: under a goal, and Isaac Keeny to win the medal.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to go the other way. I
Speaker 1: think little lines by let's say eight points a little
Speaker 1: over a goal Joe Danaher.
Speaker 3: Which I wouldn't that be a great story too. So
Speaker 3: all I'll say is I am really looking forward to
Speaker 3: this game. It's going to be an absolute.
Speaker 1: Cracker, absolutely Macca. Thank you and thank you for all
Speaker 1: your time through the season.
Speaker 2: Thanks Andy, Nowhayes.
Speaker 1: I'll do us on today's Heralds on Footy podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Andy Belaiz and my thanks to Glenn McFarlane for joining
Speaker 1: me today. Make sure you keep an eye out for
Speaker 1: our moneyball on Wednesday morning, all the Grand Final lead
Speaker 1: up coverage through the week, live coverage of the Big
Speaker 1: One on Saturday, and of course robos can't mistackle on
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Have a great Grand Final week. I'll catch
Speaker 1: you next time.