WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 1 July 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:07.600 Wait wait, general, Welcome to the Late Debates. Good evening 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.280 and welcome to the show. I'm Frey Leach, joined by 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.280 Holly Hughes and Joe Hildebrand filling in for Caleb Bond 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.439 and James McPherson. Here's what's coming up on the Late Debate. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.079 Pay rises kick in four millions of bossies, but so 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.720 do the Bills Council, backlash over a popular women's only 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.760 space being handed to one religious group, plus the UK 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:33.400 government's plan to put solar panels on lakes and locals 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.800 can't object. We start the show with good news tonight 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.680 for millions of Australian workers. From today, the Fair Work 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:45.320 Commission's decision to increase National minimum wage takes effect. The 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.600 minimum wage is going to be increased by three point 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.000 five percent, with the hourly rate rising to twenty four 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.160 dollars and ninety four cents. While this is undeniably great 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.160 news for the three million people working on the minimum wage, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.560 other things are also going up this financial year. Your 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.640 power bills, tax on your super the cost of sending letters, 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:12.679 internet prices and new vehicles thanks to Labour's ute tax. So, Holly, 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.200 while this is great news, is it really enough, and 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.520 you also think about the three years we've had where 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:23.120 we've seen declining living standards, falling real wages. Three point 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.120 five percent is nice, but it's. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.080 Nothing because it's really not competing with inflation in the 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.640 real world. And we know that we're saying increasing costs 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.360 across the board, whether it's at the checkout, whether it's 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.759 your energy bills or at the petrol bowser. Things are 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.040 just going up, up and up all the time, and 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.080 Australian families are really struggling. But what worries me about 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.240 this is there's been such a slump in productivity and 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.920 this wage increase hasn't been tied to it, and the 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:50.800 imposts that it's going to have on a particularly a 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.840 lot of small businesses that are struggling as it is 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.680 and battling with these costs, particularly their energy costs, that 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.920 this is just going to be another addition cost for 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:05.360 them without them necessarily saying boosts in productivity, cuts to 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.519 red tape, all of those things are just increasing for them. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:09.040 I think. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.080 I mean, you can say, all right, other things are 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.600 going up as well, but it's worse if they go. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.680 Up and the minimum wage doesn't go up. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.600 Surely, and again you can say that it's nothing really, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.320 but it's fifteen hundred bucks a year more one five 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.040 hundred dollars a year. That's going to be enough to 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.120 make up the difference in the increase in most people's 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.880 power bills, especially with the government things. So I think, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.960 you know, we can kind of get a bit too 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.480 doom and gloom. Oh everything's terrible, the government's ruined everything, 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.120 blah blah blah. Actually inflation has come right down in. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:39.840 The last figures. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.480 It's at the very bottom end of the RBA's target bandit. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.040 I think it was about two point one and the 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.920 bandmid's two point three two to three percent, So you 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.519 actually can't get a more perfect figure that is exactly 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.600 where the RBA wants it to be. And these are, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.480 you know, the lowest paid workers. They're often unskilled workers. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.880 There's probably not much scope for them to increase their productivity. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.400 They're they're slacing it out as hard as they can 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.079 as it is. It's probably the workers in the middlehood. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.680 So I think I think it's great. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.519 Yeah, show's optimistic. I love that, but I guess the 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.880 problem is here. The thing with inflation is that even 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.040 if inflation itself is not going up. That is just 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.480 the rate of change. The prices have still gone. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.600 And they're not going back down and they're not going 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:25.240 back down. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.960 And so when we did say those big jumps in inflation, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.040 we saw the prices went up, whether or it was 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.959 at the supermarket, we saw in energy bills. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.960 We're not seeing them come back down inflation. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.840 They might be growing at a slower rate now, but 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:37.720 they're still growing. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.240 So wage increases should be right. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.480 Look what totality and the reality is that. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.160 Can businesses afford because they're having their superannuation imposts go up, 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.360 they're having all the increases go up on the and 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.440 their energy bills, and we know many many businesses are 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.840 finding stresses under that, and that we know that these 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.920 businesses aren't getting the trade going through. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.120 And what's going to be then. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.480 And also exactly a good point and where are these 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.000 wage rises coming from? This is a centrally determined decision 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.640 by the Fair Work Commission. This is not coming from productivity, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.919 it's not coming from innovation. It's coming from from a 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.880 centrally determined wage setting, which means who's going to pick 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:26.400 up the slack fruit. We're already seeing record small business insolvencies. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.120 Many are operating on raizor thin margins even and and 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.279 labor costs are one of the costs that have gone 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.800 up substantially since the pandemic were a corresponding for in productivity. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.200 So it's great for some, but does it risk doing 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.040 more damage to the economy overall. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:44.960 Well, it's great for more than it's not great for. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.800 There are more people on the minimum wage than are 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.760 employing people on the minimum wage. So if you're looking 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.640 for the greatest good for the great. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.000 Those businesses can't operate, then they won't have jumbe. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.560 Yeah, but I think most of them do. And most 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.159 of all business are very resilient. And if you just 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.240 sort of say, you know, if. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.080 Your position is, they should be put to the test. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:00.800 But if you're saying, oh they should if no legal 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.880 minimum wage, it should just be whatever the market, you know, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.800 can bear market. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:06.760 I don't think. I don't think. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.240 I don't think anyone seriously thinks that. I think it's 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:10.919 good that we have a minimum wages while we have 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.120 such an advanced economy. The vast majority of business is 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.440 big and small can and will accommodate this, And I 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:18.400 think it's fantastic. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:18.919 Yeah. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.360 I think that the problem is it's so much broader 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.159 than one particular issue, and unless we start getting serious 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.080 about looking at the five thousand additional pieces of red 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.640 tape that this government's introduced, the cost of doing business 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:30.720 is out of control. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.360 And just adding. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.960 More to those bills for small business and medium sized 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.039 business owners. You know, you've got to make sure you 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.680 get those leavers right because the unemployment rates have been 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.520 really good, but that doesn't mean they're going to stay 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:41.839 that way. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.120 Exactly. So true. Well, a council run women's rest refuge 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:51.400 is being handed to an all male Islamic organization. Canterbury 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:56.200 Bankstown Council will pay the Lebanese Muslim Association to take 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.400 over the rest center. They're going to provide more culturally 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:06.280 appropriate services, including family mediation by a shaikh, reports The 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.400 Daily Telegraph. The center has been a safe space for 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.800 women to meet and care for their babies since the 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.200 sixties and more than one hundred and seventy women use 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.840 it each week now. For me, this decision raises a 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.760 number of concerns. Firstly, the Lebanese Muslim Association has links 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:28.039 with fundamentalist Islamic organization. His book to reer. They jointly 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.760 hosted an outrage rally on the one year anniversary of 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.479 the October seven terrorist attacks by Hermas, and that leads 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:41.200 to my second concern. Will the center under Islamic leadership 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.960 operate according to Islamic law? Under Sharia law, we know 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.120 a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.800 Women are not treated well. And then finally, ratepayer funded 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:58.680 women centers, surely they should be religiously neutral. This just 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.360 seems so wrong on so many levels. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.599 You read stories sometimes that just give you the eke, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.160 and this is one of them. And you know, I 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.640 really feel for the women that use this center. I'm 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.440 one of those terrible Western women who breastfeed my babies 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.840 when I was out for lunch or wherever, and you. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.280 Know, wasn't particularly fuss. 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.600 But we know, particularly Muslim women, those that are wearing 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.520 much more modest dress, they're not going to be particularly comfortable. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.000 I think if the shake's in. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.200 There somehow, breastfeeding the baby under the burker, I don't 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.080 know how that works, but you know, it is concerning 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:40.440 that a council funded place is going to start taking 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.920 on a religious flavor. And I think the fact that 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.400 it is a women's rest area, and that to me 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.600 says it all that this is a place that the 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.320 women go, and when you have babies and have children 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.720 running around, there's certain thing Mums want to talk to 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.560 each other about things that are going on with your 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.880 own body, with your own babies and different things, and 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.840 I don't think that losing that place is going to 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:04.920 help those women at all. 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:06.960 Yeah, that's an interesting one. I think. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.200 I cannot wait to see how this plays out. But 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.280 I think that to be honest, the more banal store 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.320 I think it is, Canory Banks down is pretty cash strapped, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.560 and they felt that it was just cheaper to let 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:22.000 someone else run this center. I'm not sure how intensively 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.560 used it was, and I very much think it's not 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.480 really going to be a women's center for very long. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.560 I think the words that they've sort of used, oh yes, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.160 we're going to have a focus on women's stuff, but. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.600 Family mediation that sort of sounds like a nice word 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:36.760 for shari divorce. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:38.920 Yeah, but I think it'll just be a sort of 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.440 broader sort of community center that will kind of morph 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.480 into something that I suspect won't be particularly when's focused. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.400 But I cannot wait for Just think about all the 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.959 future controversies that go. I mean personally, you know, how 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.079 are the women who use the place going to be treated? 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.800 They're going to be able to breastfeed? Are they going 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.120 to be able to you know, if they're going to 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.000 have women's only spaces they go, what happens if a 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.959 trans woman decides that she wants to be able to 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:03.280 use this. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.000 I'm not sure that's going to be but I think 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.600 someone this is going to be the ultimate quiz for 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.280 Palestine ben diagram. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.839 This is where the rubber hits the road. It is 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:15.400 all going. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.800 You need to know these people, Joe, because you know, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.120 the Labor Party. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:21.640 I don't know about a couple of calls. 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.320 And I'm sure you could probably get much. Maybe we 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:24.040 should get them out. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:28.680 They're very much more green than a labor But again, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.160 you know, there's this idea that oh no, you know, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.920 everyone's you know, and there's one big progressive omni cause 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.280 and we're all on the same page. The women said 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.320 to run by the Lebanese Muslim Association, I think is 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.880 the perfect Petri dish, to the perfect experiment. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:45.880 To see if all of this works. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.920 And I just think throwing a few trans issues just 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.520 to help first century. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.760 You know, I think there's also another element here where 0:09:55.480 --> 0:10:00.880 multiculturalism only works if we have a shared culture, shared values, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:05.760 shared experiences, shared community. And the risk here as we 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:11.360 see cities moving in frankly, a more segregated direction, where 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.080 you have people indifferent, be they religious, be their ethnic 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:19.480 communities that are separate from one another, you will start 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.880 to see a breakdown in that social fabric. And I 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.360 think it's so important for our country and our city 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.720 that we have opportunities to meet with one another, especially 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.520 as women, as new mothers, and if you have an 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:37.640 overtly rate payer funded religious women center, you risk losing 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:38.200 that well. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.560 I think, you know, when you talk about multiculturalism, I'm 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.719 not one hundred percent sure multiculturalism has actually worked. When 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.320 you think about some of the first wave, whether you know, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.480 we've got a lot of Italians and the Greeks, and 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.480 then in the Vietnamese that came through after Vietnam War, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.880 there was more of an assimilation that came through. They 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.520 bought their culture, but also introduce their culture much more 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.080 I think to the Australian population and it's become a 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.280 part of our culture. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.559 But at the time, that is exactly what people said 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.080 about the Vietnamese and the Greeks and the Italians. They said, 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.400 they don't belong here, They're not like us. You know, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.760 they're just going to start gang wars and everything. I remember, 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.640 I remember when you know, the Vietnamese gang wars were 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:20.719 destroying Sydney. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:21.360 And Terian paperata. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.600 We're saying the exact same gal there, and a generation 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.880 later that that problem has been ameliorated. And people said 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.319 the same thing about the Lebanese that came here and 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:33.679 that will go away as well. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.120 And again they're not religious. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.640 This is a religious point of difference, and I think 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.760 that's a really significant difference here. We're not talking about 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.360 cultural in the sense of the country that you're coming 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.559 from and bringing traditions from your your country's culture. You're 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.560 actually talking about religion, and you're looking at them trying 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.400 to bring you know, converts across the radicalization of the youth. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.160 It's actually religion. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:56.559 That's a normal. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.760 I think the religious side of it is very dangerous. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.680 Any can I decide that women Santa was already excluding men, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.360 so it wasn't actually very fours started with, well. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.840 It will be interesting to see how the Council navigates 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.920 this one. But a world leaning study from Edith Cowan 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.480 University has found that certain migrant communities are having more 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:21.960 sons than daughters, suggesting it's likely due to sex selective abortions. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.400 It's been reported in the Australian that Indian and Chinese 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.800 mothers have a substantially higher abortion rate in early pregnancy 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.360 than their Australian born counterparts. For third children, Indian born 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.640 mothers gave birth to one hundred and eighteen boys for 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.679 every one hundred girls, while for Chinese born mothers they 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.400 had one hundred and fifteen boys for every one hundred girls. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.360 Australian born mothers had a much more normal distribution of 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:56.600 genders at one hundred and five boys for every hundred girls. Now, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.360 when you're undergoing things like IVF, you can't sell elect 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.960 for sex. But now most parents or many parents find 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.280 out the gender of the baby at around ten weeks, 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.120 and in most states you can access abortion for any 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:16.800 reason up to twenty four weeks. That window there when 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.760 parents know the gender of the baby and then can 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.840 access abortion for any reason whatsoever, And there are no 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:28.640 safeguards around sex selective abortions before twenty four weeks. That 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.840 opens up this can of worms that is seeing thousands 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:37.800 of girls go unborn in Australia. Now, Joe, this is 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.640 a really hard one because obviously a born is a 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.320 very hotly debated ethical issue. But I think whether you 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.920 are a pro life or pro choice, surely, as a 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:55.280 matter of women's equality of equal rights to life, boys 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.120 and girls should have equal chance at being born, and 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.559 sex selective caution is just evil. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.440 I think it is. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.440 Actually, I think it's pretty sick, although I think from 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.679 the cultural viewpoint of where a lot of these people 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.640 have come from, it would seem very very normal. We 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.559 know that the ancient Spartans used to take female babies 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.959 and leave them to the elements, and so they could 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:23.880 have a race of warrior warrior, a warrior cast In China, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.480 of course, you had the one child policy, and that 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.480 meant that if your one and only child was a girl, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.840 then you were much less likely to be able to 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.840 rely on because of the way the society was structured, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.680 you were less likely to be able to rely on 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.360 that girl being able to grow up into someone who 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:43.920 would be able to earn enough money to take care 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.400 of parents. In old age, and so you had these 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:52.840 huge you had this huge, almost industrial scale thing where 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.960 you know, female infanticide or abortion, and they were just disappearing. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.840 And of course this suited the government perfectly well. But 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.600 more boys would also help control and slow the population great. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.960 So I think it is really really creepy. Where do 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.800 you draw the line. Do you then say, all right, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.200 you know, I want a baby with blue eyes and 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:11.880 blonde hair so they can go off and join the 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.320 Hitler youth. I mean, once you start playing god like this, 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.560 I think it's a really slippery scores exactly. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.800 And there are now thirty million fewer women in China 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.080 than men because of sex leftive abortion. It got so 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.800 bad that even as far back as the nineties, in 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.520 the early two thousands, the Chinese government actually banned pre 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.760 natal gender screening for non medical purposes because this was 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.240 such an issue and they knew where this would lead demographically. Obviously, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.000 human trafficking is now an issue. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:41.360 People. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.240 You have all these men who are literally like searching 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.640 for a wife. They will not be able to have 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.200 their own families. This seems just shocking that this is 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.560 coming to Australia. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.120 And again this is talking in the similar vein to 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.920 what we were just talking about when the cultures come 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.520 here and really assimilating as a part of our culture, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.920 because you know, we do like women have the same 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.680 opportunities and should have the same opportunities as boys. There's 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.720 plenty of successful women out there. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.280 Sorry, do you know what? 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:11.720 I actually missed what you said? 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.520 And I'm starting. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:20.640 Party. Got Susan there, Susan there. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.560 Look, sorry, you know, uncalled for on the day of Shade, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.120 my first day of freedom. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.560 I know, happy, happy, happy liberation. 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.600 But no, I mean, look, this is. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.280 Where the cultures aren't aren't blending and aren't yelling because 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.400 you know, there should be as much value, of course 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:39.960 put on the life of a baby girl as a 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:44.120 baby boy. They're beautiful when they're teenagers, it's a whole 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:44.720 different matter. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:50.160 But you know, culture jelling just because this happened is terrible. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.520 That part of it that they're bringing that culture. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.360 And that belief that boys are somehow going to look 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.280 after the family, boys are going to do not all 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:00.840 boys are going to but. 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.880 It's at a level that is statistically significant, and in 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.520 home countries, in China and in India, you now have 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.840 a generation of missing women millions that don't exist. So 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.640 I mean, yeah, we have to make much more so. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.000 Than over here, which is suggests that they are assimilating. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.040 Yes, but we can't. We can't let this go unchecked. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.080 I need to call it out where we see it. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.359 And I would also argue put in more safeguards to 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.800 make sure sex selective abortions. 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.920 One hundred percent spot on either those gender reveals in 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.120 the in the ultrasounds, so you know, you could. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.560 Be maybe you just have no one get to know, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.640 don't get to know every single is a surprise. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.560 Well that's what they tried in China and it did 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.000 reverse the trend a little bit. But we've talked on 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.240 this show a fair bit about AI and how it's 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.880 going to revolutionize the way we do so many things. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:58.080 But one magazine in Europe has found this out, particularly 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.760 the Belgian editions of El and Marie Claire and a 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.760 bunch of other popular women's magazines have been using AI 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:11.200 to write hundreds of articles that they then published under 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.199 the names of fake journalists. One of their journalists is 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:20.080 Sophie Vermullin, who's written a whopping four hundred and three 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:25.199 articles for l Online just this year. Four articles in 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.720 six months. Her profile says she's always ready to inspire 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:34.360 you with fascinating stories and practical tips. The only problem 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.800 is her profile, her photo, and all of her four 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:43.040 hundred articles are completely AI generated and none of this 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:44.320 was disclosed. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.600 Holly, that's the dangerous part. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.080 I think if people are open and honest and say, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.720 you know, my husband and I went and looked at 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.959 a house on the weekend and it said in the 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.800 ad that it was AI generated photos. Yeah, it was 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.399 pretty significant in the way the photo had been altered 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.359 and didn't look anything in real life versus the AI 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.959 was very, very different. But you've got to be upfront 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.000 with that that this is AI generated. When we look 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.000 at AI, this is the next industrial revolution. If we're 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.160 not preparing ourselves for what change is going to come 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.320 and how it's going to impact in the white collar 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.439 jobs more and more, this is where we're going to 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.960 see the change, where those jobs are going to disappear. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.920 And this is a great example of what could happen. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.800 I mean, you and I were on something the other 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.520 day and I had to do a description and asked 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.560 to give it ten words on me, and it was incredible. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.720 I mean, look I'd almost hire myself reading. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.800 Don't find that profound I find that profoundly disturbed. Like, firstly, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.400 to be honest, I think it's actually almost the middle 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.240 class has come up, because typically the middle class has 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.800 been the last people kind of hit by massive industrial change, 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.240 and it's always been the working class who are the 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.399 ones who've had to be put out of work with 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.280 the massive climate change at zero transformation, it's overwhelmingly working 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.560 class people who are being forced to sacrifice their jobs 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.119 on the altar of progress or whatever it's called. And 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.200 now it's our turn, and I think we're seeing how 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:08.320 scary it can birt. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.720 Well, it's interesting that you bring up the white collar 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:15.359 jobs because a one psychonic Dutch car navigation company, Tom Tom, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.199 is laying off ten percent of their workforce, which is 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.760 three hundred jobs, so they can embrace AI. It does 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.040 raise the question is this the beginning of mass unemployment 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.640 in white collar jobs. The co founder of Magellan, which 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.240