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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Max Verstappen

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Speaker 1: wins his fourth consecutive World championship after finishing fifth behind

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Speaker 1: a dominant George Russell led Mercedes one two in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and General Motors is set to join the grid in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six with its Cadillac brand. Just don't call

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Speaker 1: it ANDRETTI. My name's Michael Lomonato, motorsport writer for Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Australia. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co host from Speed Cafe. He likes

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Speaker 1: to think of himself as the Cadillac of Australian motorsport journalists.

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Speaker 2: It's not gosh, I don't know quite what that means,

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Speaker 2: but we'll go it. Does that make me like the

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Speaker 2: luxury varieties, isn't it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I feel like. I mean, it only really applies in

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Speaker 1: America because I don't think Cadillacs are sold anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: But it's sort of like it's the answer to the

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Speaker 1: Rolls Royce, isn't it if you're a Cadillaca whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I like that. Yes, I'm the I'm the Cadillac

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Speaker 2: in Australian motorsport journalism just a bit in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, leather, interior, wood paneling probably, Yeah, you know, one

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Speaker 1: of those weird gearboxes that are on the side of

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Speaker 1: the steering column. They've understood that that's all about.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't drive it that they drive it. Could

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Speaker 2: you drive a stick, yes, versus a well what else

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that's an innovation they bring to Formula One in

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Speaker 1: two twenty six, so we will talk about that a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on. Let's catch you up though, before

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Speaker 1: we get into the Las Vegas Grand Prix title winning

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Speaker 1: antiques and of course the big news about the expansion

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Speaker 1: of the grid in twenty twenty six. To the five

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Speaker 1: top news stories you might have missed in the last week.

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Speaker 1: And let's start with a story close to home. It's

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Speaker 1: Jack Dowan who's confirmed the race number he'll be competing

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Speaker 1: with next year. He's adopting Kimmy reichen AND's former number

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Speaker 1: of seven, though that wasn't his first choice.

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Speaker 2: No, he wanted number twelve, didn't he, And that was

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Speaker 2: being taken by Kimmy Antonelli. You've got the paperwork in

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Speaker 2: first sofa rules, first come, best dressed. But I love

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Speaker 2: that doing has gone. That kim me such an idol

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be number seven. KIMMI chose seven because well,

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Speaker 2: that's the number that you already had.

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Speaker 1: So without I forgot about that. That's very good. Let's

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Speaker 1: go home at a Red Bull now. Well, Helmut Marco,

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Speaker 1: the Red Bull Motorsport advisor, has confirmed there'll be a

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Speaker 1: meeting of F one shareholders at the end of the

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Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to finalize the brand's four car

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Speaker 1: driver lineup. And this is of course with Sergio Peer

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Speaker 1: is still very much in the spotlight after another disappointing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't think frankcolor Pinto did

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Speaker 2: think his stocks dropped a little bit. Yeah, it's funny

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Speaker 2: that there's now where was where there was once really

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Speaker 1: Let's go over to Mercedes now and picking up off

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Speaker 1: something we mentioned last week, comments from Toto Wolf in

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Speaker 1: an official Mercedes Behind the Scenes book linking Lewis Hamilton's

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Speaker 1: short term contract and eventual departure to him nearing the

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Speaker 1: end of his shelf life. Toto Wolf's insisted those comments

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Speaker 1: he made everyone has a shelf life, including himself, and

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Speaker 2: you know, he briefly had a conversation with Toto Wolf

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Speaker 1: Yes, and can you imagine the hype Ferrari will be

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Speaker 1: Become a technical director for obvious you get there, all right,

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Speaker 2: Light that over. By early January you'll.

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Speaker 1: Be sorted and coming back close to the home. Former

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Speaker 2: Is it lego lego? This is this is the big one.

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Speaker 1: course the Formula one Lego sponsorship. You would have seen

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Speaker 1: and before we talk about, of course, the race itself,

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Speaker 1: to come out of Formula one's premier event is that

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Speaker 1: Max for Staffan is a four time world champions the

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Speaker 1: He is in the elite of the elite Formula One

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Speaker 2: All these three time world champions and three time champions

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Speaker 2: has nothing to seize that at all. Winning a Grand

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Speaker 2: Twenty one obviously very combative all the way through, had

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Speaker 2: It's just he's made the most of the opportunities he's

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Speaker 2: And if you look at it, he's definitely got a

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Speaker 1: He's clearly much more mature now. I've no doubt he

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Speaker 2: end of that range. So all the raw ingredients and

433
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Speaker 2: in hindsight look back on, it was obvious Mercedes was

434
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: always going to be fast there. I don't know why

435
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: I didn't consider them more seriously heading in, because once

436
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: you stepped back and realized what was happening, there's obviously

437
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Speaker 2: this place to what we saw in even sour Palla,

438
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: if you take the red flag out of it. There.

439
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: George was very quick cooler conditions given the rain in

440
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: Belgium it was cooler that weekend. Even the British Grand

441
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 2: Prix was cooler again, so there's a trend here. Now

442
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 2: we're going to Katar next weekend that's not going to

443
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 2: be cool and funnily enough, George still seems to think

444
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: it'll go well there, but that's a different one for Vegas.

445
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how we all missed it. It was

446
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 2: there right in front of us. That has been all

447
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: season for our Mercedes was going to absolutely decimate everyone

448
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: and we all, every single one of us. I feel,

449
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: mister Well to be fair. So did Mercedes. I say

450
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: this just because they seemed confused as the week went on.

451
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: But to go back to those comments of George Russell,

452
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: at one point he was saying he didn't want to

453
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: take a new engine this weekend. He wanted to save

454
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: it for Katar because he didn't expect to be competitive.

455
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: He does expect to be competitive in Ktar because the

456
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: layout should suit the car, which is high speed and smooth.

457
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: Though the heat element is the big unknown there obviously,

458
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: or would appear not to be unknown, it wouldpep to

459
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: be known that it won't be good. But nonetheless he

460
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: seems to think it'll be okay this weekend. While the

461
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: cold conditions were in place, the layout shouldn't have suited

462
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Speaker 2: the car because it hasn't typically been good in these

463
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: sort of short duration traction zone, all that kind of stuff.

464
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: It's normally Ferrari territories. Isn't really where Mercedes has been competitive.

465
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: But it was cold enough that and they got the

466
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: set up right enough. That's the other element. They really

467
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: set the car up well. It's a little bit more

468
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: downforce but that turned out to be exactly what was

469
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: needed to print the tize from graining up in the

470
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Speaker 2: way Ferraris did that made the car work, So they

471
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Speaker 2: really did surprise themselves there. So don't don't feel you

472
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Speaker 2: are still the car lack of Australia.

473
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Speaker 1: You're okay. It's all right. Sadies didn't know either. What

474
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: was interesting about Mercedes winning this though, was that have

475
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: been Ferrari obviously did not recovered to third and fourth,

476
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Speaker 1: despite after qualifying sounding pretty confident both Carlos Science and

477
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Speaker 1: Charlotte Clair that they would win this race because for

478
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: all the reasons we expected them to be competitive here

479
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: that it was going to be well. The call was

480
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: actually the twist in this because they typically aren't not

481
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: as strong in cool conditions to see like they were

482
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Speaker 1: last year. But the layout should have been all Ferrari

483
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 1: in the same way that Baku was very much Ferrari race,

484
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: even monster similarities there because of all the high speed

485
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: nature of it, but couldn't manage the tires this weekend,

486
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't set up the car properly. Three and four is

487
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: still pretty good behind such a dominant Mercedes team, but

488
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: it means crucially that they did not outscore McLaren by

489
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Speaker 1: very much in the Constructors' Championship, was just twelve points

490
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: I think it was. It's what is the twenty odd

491
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: points now between them? Twenty four points with two rounds

492
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Speaker 1: to go, so damage still done. And in fact, if

493
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Speaker 1: you go back and look at how many points they've

494
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Speaker 1: outscored McLaren by in this America's leg the last four races,

495
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: it is twelve point seven points around I think. So

496
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: if they continue that trajectory, actually they will win the

497
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: constructors Championship. We do have two very different races coming

498
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: up compared to everything we've seen before. But what do

499
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: you feel like is the vibe around Ferrari after this weekend,

500
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: because it is in a sense job done. Did comfortably

501
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: outscore McLaren, not by as much as they would have accepted,

502
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: but it turns out that was never on the cards

503
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: because the ads were so good. But two more difficult

504
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: rounds coming up. How do you think they'll reflect on

505
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: this weekend and the points scored against McLaren.

506
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: I think we've got a really interesting insight into Ferrari

507
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: at the moment on the cool down lap and Charla

508
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: Clair's comments to his race engineer Brian Bozzi the response

509
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: to Carla science and disobeying team orders allegedly, but then

510
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: he refused to be joining it. It was bizarre. He's

511
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: had a long ran and then immediately afterwards Carlos has

512
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: been spoken about something completely different when when he was

513
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: asked why Charles might be unhappy, and then when Charles

514
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: was asked he refused to speak about it, So that

515
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: there's something bubbling away behind the scenes there. I wonder

516
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: if there's this growing sense that Carlos doesn't need to

517
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: drive for Ferrari anymore because he doesn't He's not going

518
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: to drive for Ferrari anymore, so he may as well

519
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: drive for Carlos and therefore he doesn't need to worry

520
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: about team orders, who just worry about Carlos orders. So

521
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: there's that winter of discontent bubbling away behind the scenes.

522
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: You know, those sort of comments from from Charles talking

523
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: about how you know, being the nice guy always screws

524
00:26:52,160 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: him of paraphrase, there tactical that's not the work of you.

525
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: That's not one on track pass, that's not one disobeyed

526
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: team order, that's the culmination of a number of them.

527
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: So I wonder if that's growing pressure, growing concern that

528
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: it is starting to slip away. They need to close

529
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: up on McLaren maybe a little bit more quickly than

530
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 2: they have done, to really make sure that they've got

531
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: a good shot of the Constructor championship. And also I

532
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: wonder if it's just a frustration thing that Carlos and

533
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Ferrari thought they would win that race and shot up

534
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: for that matter, thought that they would win that race

535
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: and then got their pants bean off them by by Mercedes.

536
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: So they was sort of bruised ego on a few

537
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: different fronts. Wrap that all together and you've got a

538
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: team that heading into the weekend had a degree of

539
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: swagger about it, coming out of the weekend just doesn't

540
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: feel like it's got that same confidence. And even though

541
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: it beat McLaren, you still look at McLaren, I think, yeah,

542
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: they're probably gonna be world champions, don't you.

543
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is a track that just absolutely didn't

544
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: suit McLaren and the next one absolutely will. Kat Arts

545
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: where Osco Piastre won the sprint last year, and Abi

546
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: Dhabi maybe I think might be a bit more of

547
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: a toss up the McLaren probably still just simply because

548
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: McLaren's been so good at so many tracks this year,

549
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: probably ahead, but could be a fascinating conclusion. The ferrari

550
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: thing for me. The more I've been thinking about it,

551
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: the more interesting I feel it is because there is

552
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: the team orders element. I think you're right, there's a

553
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: degree of Carlos science feels relatively unencumbered by team orders.

554
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: He didn't do it in any aggressive way. If he

555
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: in fact did ignore team orders, it's unclear. I had

556
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: gone back and looked through the on bards to try

557
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: and hear all the radio but there is an element

558
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: of that for me, though Charletclair's outburst, there's a little

559
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: bit of the fact that this has sort of happened before.

560
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: I think was it was it Silverston, I was earlier

561
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: this year. I have to go back and remember the

562
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: race where there was sort of a little bit of

563
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: unhappiness as well around the way that the drivers had

564
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: responded to team orders. So there's clearly something that's happened

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: before around Charlot Clair's under standing of whether or not

566
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Carlos has been obeying what he believes to be the

567
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: rules of engagement or whatever. Is that element of it.

568
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: But I think there's also a degree of and we

569
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: saw it a lot in this race from Carlos that

570
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: he's really able to take the race on himself, and

571
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: that includes the strategy role, the pit roll he saw

572
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: before Ferrari seemed to this was going to need to

573
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: be a two stop race. For Ferrari felt like he

574
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: lost time waiting for that to happen. Did execute a

575
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: team order, I thought really well by letting char Leclair

576
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: through while Lewis Hamilton was behind both of them without

577
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: letting Lewis through it it was really quite masterfully done

578
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: as much as a team order can be done. And

579
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: it seems like the unhappiness actually stems from the fact

580
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: that after Carlos signs had made so many of the

581
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: strategy calls, had sort of run the race for himself

582
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: emerged as the faster to kind of that last stint,

583
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: and when Charles was told he wasn't going to be passed,

584
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: just barged passed rather than lose lap time waiting to

585
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: be told he could go through, or waiting for Charles

586
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Ties to warm up after that pit stop. Part of

587
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: for me, part of that frustration we see from Charles

588
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: from time to time in relation to science is the

589
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't have that in his game, that

590
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Carlos Science may not be faster than him, although they're

591
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: pretty close, but let's say outright speed, he's not quite

592
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: as fast as him, be kind of better at managing

593
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: these complicated races where things don't go to plan, where

594
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: Ferrari can't just win the one two in the way

595
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: they expected them to. It's not surprising to me that

596
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: Carlos Science ended up ahead, even though Charlotte Claire was

597
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: ahead on that first lap and looked quicker. I think

598
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: the frustration is there and sort of and this is

599
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: maybe a question for us later in the year when

600
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: we do a season wrap up or look forward to

601
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: next year or whatever. But I'm also not sure that

602
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton is that guy either, And that's going to

603
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: make it a really interesting line up for me, because

604
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: how many times do we hear at Mercedes Lewis Hamilton

605
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: will occasionally argue back around strategy calls, but it's usually

606
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: after the factory he goes, ah, this was the wrong goal,

607
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: rather than in Carlos Seins's case, he'll tell them beforehand

608
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: and maybe nine times out of ten they'll change their

609
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: mind and do whatever he says, because they kind of

610
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: trust him. That's kind of interesting to me because I

611
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: do think that Ferrari was pushed to a two stop strategy,

612
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: that the strategy that ultimately got them the three to

613
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: three four OLO. I think they might have got it

614
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: anyway because of Carlos's insistence. If they don't have a

615
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: driver like that next year, they'll lack a little bit

616
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: I think for that. So I just thought that was interesting.

617
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: I think that just a real little bit of mindset.

618
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little bit of Charles also recognizing, and

619
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: he's very good at recognizing his weaknesses, that he'll be

620
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: lacking something next to your relative to Lewis. So I

621
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: find that that that situation sort of interesting in a

622
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: broader perspective. Let's just talk really quickly that I wrap

623
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: this up before we move on about McClaren, because this

624
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: was it was his worst qualifying performance of the year

625
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: by pure pace. I wasn't the lowest starting position, but

626
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: worse by pure pace. And then I think probably it's

627
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: least competitive race since bah Rain. Looking back at it,

628
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I have to go back and look at the numbers.

629
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: It was the first time they've gone two races in

630
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: a row without getting a podium, that's for certain. Since

631
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Bahrain and Saudi at the start of the year, they

632
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: are really talking about this being a one off and

633
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: in fact, weirdly bit of a profitable one because they learned.

634
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: They think why the car didn't work this weekend. Are

635
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: you confident that the last two races they can bounce

636
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: back or in this really weird and wild season where

637
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: we've seen form swing so dramatically for every team except McLaren, really,

638
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: is this the moment where McLaren's form starts to swing

639
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: a little bit?

640
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think firstly, let's not put too much on

641
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: a single result. Every team has an achilles heel. You know,

642
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: we saw Singapore last year for the all conquering red ball,

643
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 2: so let's keep it in context a little bit. We

644
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: know the guitar on paper should suit that, you know,

645
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: the McLaren so we should see an improved result. You know,

646
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: it was the team's worst result since round four. What

647
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: was that? Japan? Off the top of my head, Bahrain, Saudi, Australia, Japan.

648
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: Yet so it was the worst result since Japan, the

649
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: third worst result of the season fall and the worst

650
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: being the Bahrain grow on pre So it's been a

651
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: long time since I've had a performance like this, and

652
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: that's I think what's jarring, especially when you consider that

653
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Mercedes has often had up and down results. Ferrari to

654
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: an extent that has had up and down results. I've

655
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: been more consistent of late, of course, and Red Bulls

656
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: were very consistent in the side of the year, but

657
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 2: they've dropped off a little bit, so I've almost sort

658
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: of become accustomed to seeing swings from the other teams,

659
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: not McLaren. So now we see a little bit of

660
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: a wobble from McLaren It stands out to us, and

661
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: that's why I don't think we need to rate take

662
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: too much from it. They still scored fifteen points, so

663
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: they did go home empty handed, by by any stretch

664
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: of the imagination. They're still leading the Constructors Championship, still

665
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: comfortably in the points. You know, it's not like they

666
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: were scraping through in ninth and tenth. So if that's

667
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: one of the worst races of the year for them,

668
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: then you kind of take that, don't you.

669
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a it's a rare race in

670
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: which they were the fourth quickest car, but emphasizes that

671
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: it was a rare race and they're still didn't leader

672
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: the championship. They've still got some points to defend, so

673
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: not at but it'll be interesting to see how they

674
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: respond to what should be one of the strongest tracks

675
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 1: of the year for them in Kata. Let's change tack

676
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: now again, Matt, to wrap this up to the big

677
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: news of the week. In fact, just before we recorded

678
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: this it broke, so it gave us a good chance

679
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: to talk about all of the details, and that is

680
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: that Cadillac will be joining Formula One in twenty twenty six.

681
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: Is the eleventh team, don't call it Andretti, even though

682
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: that is the team that will be entering fundamentally, but

683
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: in a rearranged structure. And this is a couple of

684
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: different interesting elements to this one. I think it's worth

685
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: reminding people how we got to this point because this

686
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: team that will be entering has been that long running

687
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: saga that has been the Andretti squad for the last

688
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: couple of years. Really will be based out of Silverston,

689
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: the factory that Andrettie has been building up and hiring

690
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: people for and developing a car for. And I think

691
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: you wrote earlier this year that they're going to have

692
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: their first twenty twenty six shassis before the end of

693
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: the year, so they're well ahead of the curve on

694
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: that one. But it will now be a team owned

695
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: by General Motors, a critical difference worth thirty. Then Formula

696
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: One announcing this team, they did not mention the name

697
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Andretti at all. Is that what this is about, was

698
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: it Andretti the sticking point the entire time, The irritant

699
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: in the process for Formula One to accept this team

700
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: is that the change that was needed to be made.

701
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: There's a couple of different factors at play, and the

702
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: truth will probably be somewhere in a mix of all

703
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: of them. There is the Andrettie element. Michael Andretti, for

704
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: some reason had enemies, Greig Mafe, Liberty Media CEO notably

705
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: one of them. But if you remember back to when

706
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: Michael Antretti was an F one driver, he tried to

707
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: do it from the US. He'd jet in for events,

708
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: even though that's thirty years ago. Memories in in Formula

709
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: one along for whatever reason, him coming in being bright

710
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: and brash about all of this just it got people

711
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: off site. He didn't win any friends so that has

712
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: been a little bit anti Michael. But it's important also

713
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: to realize that Andretti Global and Michael Andretti was only

714
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: ever really a front for Dan Towers anyway. The Towers

715
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: is where the money is. He's Gamebridge and Group of

716
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: thousand and one and the rest of it. He's got

717
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: the money, he's got the connections. So by the restructure

718
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: that's taken place at Andretti in recent months, Michael's gone

719
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: off into a different advisory strategic sort of role. Towerist

720
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: is running at day to day, So basically where you

721
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: see TWG Group just superimposed Andretti Global over the top

722
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: of that. Because the same thing, there's also been a

723
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: little bit of window dressing happening about how this team

724
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: is structured. The entrant, i understand is still TWG Group.

725
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: That's the entrant that applied to the FAA and we

726
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: had its application approved. This isn't a new application. There's

727
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: not been a second expressions of interest process that's been opened.

728
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: That happened last February. Four applicants were received, one of

729
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: them the Andrette. The Andretti application that was approved last

730
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: October got passed on to Formula one for commercial approval.

731
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: We got rejected in January. Ten months on, it's now

732
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: been accepted. It is the same project. You can change

733
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: the name above the door, you can put a different

734
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: sticker of it, you can paint in the carr a

735
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: different color if you like, but it's the same project.

736
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Many of the reasons that Formula one said Andretti cannot

737
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: come into Formula one still exist. This is hypocritical of

738
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Formula one to be living the team in now rather

739
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: than ten months ago, and that speaks to me that

740
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: being a personal issue rather than any way commercially founded.

741
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: There's a whole Department of Justice investigation. There were FBI

742
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: agents on the ground in Vegas investigating this, right. There's

743
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: some serious stuff happening behind the scenes. In addition to this,

744
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: this is part of quelling some of the concern that

745
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: surrounds that Greg Mafey is leaving Liberty Media at the

746
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: end of the year. Year Who will be replaced by

747
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: John Malone, Liberty Media's founder. If I have been there

748
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: for nineteen years there is no replacement. That's odd, isn't it?

749
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: Nineteen years or nearly two decades of service and you

750
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: don't future proof, you don't have a succession plan, you

751
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: just right off into the sunset. I don't think he's

752
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: riding off into the sunset at all. There's also been

753
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: changes that Liberty media is such as Formula one is

754
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: basically the only business left there. This stinks to me.

755
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: I've been across the story in great detail for a long,

756
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: long long time. I know more about this than I

757
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: know more about the Andretti story and everything else, and

758
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: I do my own children's birthdays. I really wish I

759
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: was joking when I said that this is a complicated thing.

760
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: What we've been sold this morning Australian time is fabulous news.

761
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: Formula one first and foremost. It is amazing to have

762
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: an eleventh team. We need it. An American team is

763
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: good news. It's a shame it's not gonna have the

764
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: in Jurney name because I think that would be a

765
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: good selling point. But it's gonna be general motives and

766
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: that's still amazing from Australia. We're gonna have GM versus

767
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: Forward in Formula one pretty soon, so we're gonna have

768
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: that red versus Blue rivalry sort of thing. This is

769
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: good news and Formula one because it will bring him

770
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: in new sponsors. Yes, it'll be competition for sponsors in

771
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: the market, but that's that's a free market economy. You

772
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: get that anywhere. But General Motive is going to pump

773
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: in some money. But you don't think it's going to

774
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: take up some tracks on advertising and some corporate hospitality

775
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: and the rest of it. Of course, it is what

776
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: do you think this is going to do for viewership

777
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: in America? Do you think TV figures just went up? Absolutely,

778
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: they did. The money that's going to come into Formula

779
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: while off the back of this, I think it's going

780
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: to be phenomenal. Hence I don't see the other team's

781
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: arguments against it. Winding back six or eight months. I

782
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: really want to see how this plays out. Don't get fulled.

783
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: This is not General Motives in Cadillac designing a Formula

784
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: one car and then in a couple of years time,

785
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: putting their own power in it and going racing. This

786
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: is Dan Towers and the Andretti project doing what they

787
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: were already doing, selling naming rights or however they've structured

788
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: that so that it looks like it's General Motors. It's

789
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: exactly the same project, and it pisses me off that

790
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: most people aren't seeing that and that there are people

791
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: who think that we're stupid enough not to see that.

792
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: You've summed it up well and it is. It's sort

793
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: of interesting because it's a little bit different to most

794
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Formula One teams. Isn't it the idea that you have

795
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: a brand that has actually another company operating the team.

796
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: It's maybe a little bit more familiar. I think it

797
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: happens in Formada a little bit. But certainly the World

798
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: Endurance Championship. In fact, Cadillac in the World Durance Championship

799
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: is chip Ganassi right like.

800
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: That, I disagree. Look at Mercedes, Yes, look I suppose,

801
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: isn't it Mercedes has run under license Aston Martin has

802
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: run under license Olpean it's turn by group when no,

803
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: but it's effectively its own entity running a Formula One

804
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: team on behalf of the of the factory, say most teams.

805
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: Most teams do it, so I would disagree with you

806
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: on that one.

807
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point, I suppose, But they are

808
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: their own. Where it's different is that it's not as

809
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: if Mercedes is licensing its name to a racing organization

810
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: that then that also does other stuff, right, It's not

811
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: licensing it to an independent specialist that then runs the

812
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: Mercedes car, right like Mercedes owns a percentage of the business.

813
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: That is Mercedes' Formula One team and its job is

814
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: to race Mercedes F one cars. It's not like in

815
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Wild Students Championship, Chip Nassi, which is a huge independent

816
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: racing organization, has been chosen to operate the Cadillac cars,

817
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: or even in again in week af course are running

818
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: the Ferrari car like. It's different in that way, is

819
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: what I mean? Is that what it is is that

820
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: General Motors has gone to market. Essentially, it happened actually

821
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: in the reverse of this way, but it's gone to market,

822
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: and said and Dreddi the team, the company and Dreddi Global,

823
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: which runs all these teams, is going to be the

824
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: independent race team that operates a car with our name

825
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: on it. And that's the way that I mean it

826
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: is a little bit different, because you're right, it is

827
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: for most manufacturers and formula it's not exactly what it

828
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: looks like. But this is a little bit different. Again,

829
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different model. And the

830
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: reason I emphasized that is that because that is how

831
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: this is essentially still exactly the same project that it

832
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: was last year with a little bit of tweaks, maybe ironically.

833
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: One of the tweaks is that it seems like the

834
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: power unit may come online later than twenty twenty eight.

835
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: That was the promise originally by Andretti, but now the

836
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: Cadillac press release is only by the end of the decades.

837
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: That gives it another I guess a year or two,

838
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: depending on your interpretation of what that means before it

839
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: builds its own power unit, which means one of the

840
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: major criticisms of Formula one in January and it denied

841
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: the team, which is that it would be a customer

842
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: and theref will bring no value. It still stands because

843
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: it will be a customer for a couple more years.

844
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: It also doesn't have, as it did last year, a

845
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: pre existing agreement as it did with Reno to supply

846
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: because Reno is folding its engine supplied year between twenty six.

847
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: It's now tipt to be Ferrari or the backup being

848
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: Honda of course, which is the supplying the fewest teams.

849
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: So I believe it will be high. There are two arguments.

850
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: If it's a Ferrari deal, it's a commercial agreement, and

851
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: TWG Group has gone out and secured that supply deal

852
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: with Ferrari. If it's Honda, it's obligation to supply of regulations.

853
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: Obligation to supply regulations. Basically, any existing power unit manufacturer,

854
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: should a new team come in and not have a

855
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: power unit suppier, or an existing team and not have

856
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: a power unit supplier, has an obligation to supply that team. Now,

857
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: the FIA decides which manufacturer is that does that based

858
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: on a criteria that's outlined, which basically is the team

859
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: that supplies the least number. Honda is an existing supplier,

860
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: even though it's dressed up with RedBull power trains. At

861
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: the moment, it's still considered to be a Honda power

862
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: unit in the eyes of the FIA. In twenty twenty

863
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: six and beyond, its only team is Acid Martin, so

864
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: Honda will supply one team. It'll be interesting come to

865
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight should that change. But for twenty two

866
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: twenty six, when GM CADILEC comes in, if he is

867
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: obligation to supply, it will be a hond of power unit.

868
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: But every other manufacturer should be fighting tooth and narrator

869
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: get that supply deal because another team is more data,

870
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: and in a new power unit regulation cycle, data is

871
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: gold dust. It's why Mercedes is so smart in signing

872
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: our pen.

873
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: But there would be an interesting question there because you

874
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there are obviously a lot of

875
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: intellectual property, fireworlds and all that kind of thing. But

876
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: if you know you're entering a two year deal and

877
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: General Motors is going to be the team that takes

878
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: over the power unit supply, there, I wouldn't blame another

879
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: manufacturer from being a little bit worried that all you're

880
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: doing is giving people two year access to how your

881
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: new power unit works. It's not forget, it's not the

882
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: current power units where everyone kind of knows what's going on.

883
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: Essentially a brand you've very similar but brand new formula

884
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty six. There is that element of it

885
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: there which I do think is interesting. This is a

886
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: final note before we wrap up and move, of course,

887
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: to the Alternative Championship. I was thinking about driver lineups

888
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: because training twenty six, fifteen months away to the first

889
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: race or probably we don't know what the country is,

890
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: probably fifteen months ago. Probably a January start now, won't it,

891
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: which is even sooner til the first race of twenty

892
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty six. Next year, in contrast to this year, actually

893
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: quite a low key contract year for drivers. In fact,

894
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: I counted only four drivers who are out of contract

895
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: next year. The two Mercedes drivers, George Russell and Chimi Antonelli,

896
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: who will almost certainly be resigned. There's the best risk

897
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: over whether the Maxim staff joined is very hypothetical, so

898
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: that's not worth thinking about. Jack Douan is the other.

899
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: But if he is not resigned by Alpine, we can

900
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: probably take it as read that he's not going to

901
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: be on the market because he hasn't seized his f

902
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: one chance. We all hope that's not the case and

903
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: he gets retained by Alpine. The only one really is

904
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: Yuki Sonoda, which certainly tallies with the idea that maybe

905
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: it becomes a Honda supplied team. It's the only driver

906
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: I think has the reputation to go to market and

907
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: actually be sought out. Who may well be on the

908
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: market because the Hondre engine deal with the Red Bull

909
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: teams ends at the end of next season. He's a

910
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: Honda backed driver doesn't necessarily mean you can't continue there

911
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: or potentially at Red Bull Racing. Since he's really still

912
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: pushing hard to replace the pairs with and all that

913
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: that happens. He's really the only driver who emerges as

914
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: an active, experienced F one candidate to become one of

915
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: Andretti's drivers. Then after that you have to look at

916
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: drivers who've either recently retired or drivers from outside the sport,

917
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: So it does put them in a little bit of

918
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: a difficult position.

919
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: I yeah, to an extent, but looking around that there's

920
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: a really good driver, experienced choice. We are on the

921
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: sidelines next year battery Botas.

922
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he's a good choice. He would be

923
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: a good choice.

924
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: You know, what a new team wants is some experience

925
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: to just bring a little bit of calmness to the

926
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: garage and to help settle down what's going to be

927
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: a chaotic place at times. And then it's an American team,

928
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: it's going to want an American driver. You know, you

929
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: go out there and you try and get someone like

930
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: a Jack Crawford. I think he's tied up with Williams Disney,

931
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: but he's looking at doing Formula two next year. You know,

932
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: thinking ahead to kids who are in Formula three this year,

933
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, I'll be looking at some of the Americans,

934
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: maybe even somebody the the IndyCar Kids, a Colon Herder.

935
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: There's a Max Esterston. I don't know much about Max,

936
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: and that I don't know much about him suggests that

937
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: he's probably not high on that that that list, but

938
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: you could. Hurd has been long linked with a move

939
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: into Formula one. Need didn't give a super license for

940
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: I didn't qualify for a super license when they tried

941
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: to get him one before so and then could they

942
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: go on could they go and raid the cupboard elsewhere

943
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: and bring them like a Patoy Award, someone who's got

944
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: some some good but clarity experience. So there's some some

945
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: experience out there, and there's some American with Asterix options

946
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: out there as well that I don't think that they

947
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: will be coming into Formula one with a couple of wabblers.

948
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: All right, Alternative Championship time. This episode's going on. Funny,

949
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: longest championship winning episode's gone on pretty long, the Alternative

950
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: championshpcause we're heading towards the final weeks. In fact, this

951
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: could be there. We could only have more two more

952
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: weeks after this of the Alternative Championship.

953
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's it's been a thing. It's it's been

954
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: a roller coaster, it's been. It's been my favorite part

955
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: of the the pod half of your intros, which get

956
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: more and more elaborate every week. I do see here,

957
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: as you're doing the intro, I want to what's the

958
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm Australia's leading hot air balloonist or something. Yeah, the

959
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: complish swords swallower. Right, So alternative championship where we just

960
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: give random points for random reasons, because why not. So

961
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm going to start positively nice. So I'm

962
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: going to give fifty points to Simon Lesmbie. Oh okay,

963
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: the sky Scary off One host for describing the Las

964
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: Vegas Strip circuit as spider pigs. That I genuinely laughed

965
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: at that. I thought, you know what, there's some points

966
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: right there, Son, You've deserved that.

967
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Like because the outline does look like a little bit

968
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: like the silhouette of a pig. I do like that.

969
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: In some people's minds, circuits can't be rotated like it

970
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: could just be a regular sided pig. It doesn't have

971
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: to be upside out. You just turned it around.

972
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: I like it, but it's hungry. He's a camel.

973
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Oh Okay, that's interesting. Thought about that one. Okay, you've

974
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: never really kind that's what.

975
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: There's the hump. I don't know what his legs are doing,

976
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe it's riding a surfboard or something.

977
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, I kind of do. Said, yeah, yes,

978
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: the legs are a bit of a question mark, but

979
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: it's not the craziest one I've seen. Yeah, okay, that's good.

980
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: The only one I really can really think of is

981
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: that Monza and Monza and Hockenheim have always looked like

982
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: a sock to me. It's not very exciting out like.

983
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: It's a fairly sort of ambiguous shape. Sock can really

984
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of look like anything.

985
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: Well, it sort of makes sense because Italy is a boot.

986
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there you go. It's all continues in that

987
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: feet realm. All right, I'm going to start well, in fact,

988
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm exclusively taking points off today. I really should think

989
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: more positively, but I feel like it has to be done.

990
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm starting with a big one, four million points of

991
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: chief F one, Chief Operating Officer Emily Praser, first entry.

992
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: I believe it feels harsh, but there's a reason for it.

993
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: For saying that Las Vegas doesn't need a sprint because

994
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: it's already so fast, even though it's not even the

995
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: fastest race in Formula one, and notably neglected that it

996
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: would have nothing that it might have, although apparently would

997
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the reported four million US

998
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: dollar hosting fee for a sprint. Of course, the F

999
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: one is the promoter of Las Vegas can't charge itself

1000
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: that money, obviously can't, and we'd have to take that

1001
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: money out of the kitty from some other race. So

1002
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that the four million dollars off, Maybe I'll

1003
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: just take it off F one. I feel bad taking

1004
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: it off as specific person.

1005
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lot less exciting, but okay.

1006
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean just go for F one. Just

1007
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: take it off F one, because I do think that

1008
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: Las Vegas would be an obvious and good candidate for

1009
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: a sprint. I think this particularly if you looked at

1010
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: some of the shots of the attendance, the audience in

1011
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: any of the practice sessions. I know they're just practice sessions,

1012
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: but even qualifying was not sold out this year the

1013
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: race they was year. Yes, well, obviously improvement, improvement is improved.

1014
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: You can't argue with that, But I look, I say

1015
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: the argument that it's only practiced and it's ten pm,

1016
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: but it's ten degrees outside. Who wants to be sitting

1017
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: around watching that? But if it's a sprint, people will

1018
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: be motivated to go and you might sell those last

1019
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: tickets that weren't sold. But of course you can't charge

1020
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: Las Vegas is for a sprint SOT it probably never happen.

1021
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, yeah, basically when you can fleece some

1022
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: other promoter for them, why wouldn't you. I'm being positive

1023
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: here again.

1024
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: Good if we never need maybe that's how we can

1025
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: stick with that. You can be positive.

1026
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm giving seven points to Jack Dowan for having a

1027
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: reason to choose number seven because it's the first time

1028
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: at number seven has been used in Formula one for

1029
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: a legitimate reason, even if the reason is I'm doing

1030
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: it because the last bloke didn't have a win. I

1031
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 2: thought it was but he was cool.

1032
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: It's a real pity, isn't it that Elphane dropped the

1033
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: ball at the paperwork again? Did not get that because

1034
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: Jack Dowan was obviously long ago confirmed for as a

1035
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: driver for next year, they should have just got in

1036
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: ahead of Andrea Kimi Antonelle, who rocked up late and

1037
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: just said, yeah, I want that number, and.

1038
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: He got it. It's that German efficiency, is what it is. Yeah,

1039
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: well is it?

1040
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: Or is it alphane? Anyway, I'm going to continue by

1041
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: taking three hundred and fifty two points off Toto Wolf.

1042
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Undred fifty two points is the page number of the

1043
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Inside Mercedes F one book, and I take the points

1044
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: off for claiming, as we mentioned earlier, that the comments

1045
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: he made about Lewis Hamilton were taken out of context,

1046
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: despite the fact this was a heavily authorized and surely

1047
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: approved book, that the marketing material would have been approved

1048
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: ahead of time, probably by Toto Wolf himself. I just

1049
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: thought it was rather a little bit silly for him

1050
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: to walk back, try to walk back comments that he knew,

1051
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: he knew what he was saying now, probably in a

1052
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: formal interview and everything, trying to walk them back slightly

1053
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: to take some of the heat off. I think the situation,

1054
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: particularly as they came the week after probably Lewis's worst

1055
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: race of the year.

1056
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all a little bit awkward that it's

1057
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: going to shelf lap her outside milk. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1058
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: he can try and explain that one away all his likes,

1059
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: but he put it in print a Mercedes book less

1060
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: Mercedes say his book. All right, I'm joining the negative club.

1061
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and if you knocked them over, I'm kicking

1062
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: them while I'm down. Oh you hit F one with

1063
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: four million, I'm taking two hundred million off them.

1064
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, that's huge.

1065
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: I'm taking the anti dilution fee from Formula one for

1066
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: allowing the Andrette entry in now when ten months ago

1067
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: it wouldn't and the project basically hasn't changed. So I'm

1068
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: taking the anti dilution fee from them. It seems quite serious. Actually,

1069
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: now I do this, these are all imaginary points. Keep

1070
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: your mind.

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00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: Yes, they won't have to pay, but.

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00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that.

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00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Probably end up paying more than that as well, I suspect,

1074
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: because depending on whether or not they're paying the new

1075
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: anti dilution fee after the new Concorde agreement comes to

1076
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: effect or a negotiated fee, I think there are reports

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: from the BBC that it'll be somewhere in the middle.

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00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've read those as well. I don't see how

1079
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: it could be something in the middle, because you sign

1080
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: up to a Concord agreement. The probably is at the

1081
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: moment they can't sign up. You can't sign up to

1082
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six because the entries haven't opened. So it

1083
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: can be approved to enter, but it can't actually enter

1084
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: because entries haven't opened for twenty twenty six yet. And

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00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: part of that also means that the Concord agreement needs

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00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: to be in Concord agreements. There's not one, there's there's

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00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: two agreements. There's a regular trend commercial side. That document

1088
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: needs to be in a position to be signed at

1089
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: the moment. We know conversations ongoing. They're going to be

1090
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: resolved reasonably soon. But until that's resolved, they can't, you know,

1091
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: they don't actually know what they're on the hook for.

1092
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: So let's go with what we know, which is the

1093
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 2: two hundred million dilution fee for the moment, and everyone

1094
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: should count themselves lucky. Then it's not twenty twenty six already,

1095
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: and I've not taken six hundred million off them.

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00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: Yes, imagine that they'd have no hope at all. And finally,

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00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to take just a minor twenty seven points

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00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: off the Las Vegas Grand Prix organizers. I know that

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00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: is technically formula one. Well that's create a difference here

1100
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: and that's for every minute between the end of the

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00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: race and the podium ceremony, because this year, contrary to expectations,

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00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: they persisted with that silly car ride to the fountains

1103
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: out the front of the hotel, and it just killed time.

1104
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: I think it kills the vibe, kills a little bit

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: of the like hype of the thing. They didn't even

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00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose that you could look at it

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00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: two ways. At least this time they didn't all stop

1108
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: and look at the fountain like they did last year,

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00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: so they saved a bit of time, but it still

1110
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: was just some massive delay. Just do the interviews somewhere

1111
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: else like it it's not necessary, or do them after

1112
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: the podium, take them, make it a PostScript. I just

1113
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: thought that was a bit of just I found it

1114
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: to be a bit of a mood killer, But I

1115
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: am pleased. I can't get points with this already done

1116
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: my three and I hadn't thought about this earlier that

1117
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: they did include Max with Staffan and all of it.

1118
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: So I do think it's always been quite an awkward

1119
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: and frustrating thing for Formula One when the title winner

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00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: wins not on the podium. You just don't really see

1121
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: or hear from them for the rest of the night.

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00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: And I think that's always been underwhelming. Brother, So I'm

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00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: glad they did that, but god, they could have goodness,

1124
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: they could have done it a little bit quicker.

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00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a really awkward thing to watch,

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00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: particularly when you've got Max and GP. You know, you

1127
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: got look, w's a table and then you've got the

1128
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: three other blokes huddled together, you know, without room to

1129
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: swing a cat in there in their car. And then

1130
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: they drove a walking speed like seriously, they could have

1131
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: gotten there. They could have had that by driving twice

1132
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: as fast, and they.

1133
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: Should have got managed to drive the other podium finishes

1134
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: would have been good, wouldn't it. I would have been

1135
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: supportive of that.

1136
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: I reckon what the is the thing? What they need

1137
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: is the winner of the support category gets to drive

1138
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: the F one winners to the interviews. But then I think,

1139
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: here we go. We need to get more vegas on this.

1140
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: Just having even walk up to the fountains, that's not

1141
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: good enough. We need some red carpet, we need we

1142
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: need a big line of photographers there. We need to

1143
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: be asking them who they're wearing. These are the questions

1144
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: that aren't being asked. If we're going to do this

1145
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: American style, we're going to do it properly. Let's let's

1146
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: let's turn that into some sort of reality TV show

1147
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: for the chance to be in the support race to

1148
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: drive the winners to that and then have this big

1149
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: long red carpet thing and awards ceremony at the end.

1150
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: There maybe envelopes. I like it. The envelopes a bit

1151
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: of Billy Crystal Rickey Chavas. Let's do this properly, Vegas,

1152
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: stop half asking it.

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00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: Yees. So well, there you go. I like that a lot.

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: Advice for next year. Now, no, no, that is all

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Speaker 1: the time. We have a bit talk today. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week to wrap up all the action from

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Speaker 1: me Michael Lomonato. Thanks very much for your company. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you next week.