WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 17 September 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:07.640 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. How good 0:00:07.660 --> 0:00:09.840 was she today with Kyle Sandilands? I listen every day. 0:00:09.900 --> 0:00:12.270 I'm a paid-up and proud member of the Kyle Sandilands 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.470 Live community. It was good to see her in conversation 0:00:15.590 --> 0:00:17.210 with Kyle today in promotion of the book. 0:00:17.290 --> 0:00:19.550 Again, doing very, very well. Get one over the weekend. 0:00:19.590 --> 0:00:22.350 We've got an awful lot to get to tonight, including 0:00:22.850 --> 0:00:25.450 the kids who just are so much better than anyone 0:00:25.489 --> 0:00:28.190 who's even thinking about voting for One Nation. Wait till 0:00:28.210 --> 0:00:30.510 you hear some of the stuff that you haven't already 0:00:30.550 --> 0:00:34.560 heard tonight. The plans for a big Australia, this stretches 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.729 a little further than migration. 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Ourtownatnews24. com. au. So, the big news, the good news. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.819 Is that the Prime Minister and the Veterans Affairs Minister 0:01:17.140 --> 0:01:21.150 have finally had to do what was obvious the first 0:01:21.250 --> 0:01:25.759 day we heard about the allied health cap in the 0:01:25.819 --> 0:01:26.660 federal budget. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.600 Well, the Albanese government has caved to pressure from veterans. 0:01:32.819 --> 0:01:35.869 After intense pressure, the federal government has scrapped its plan 0:01:35.910 --> 0:01:39.030 to impose a cap on allied health support for veterans. 0:01:39.150 --> 0:01:41.429 The government has scrapped that plan. 0:01:42.170 --> 0:01:44.010 They should have done it a long time ago. We 0:01:44.330 --> 0:01:47.540 all know about how they were dragged, kicking and screaming, 0:01:47.620 --> 0:01:50.480 first to the meetings... then to getting rid of this 0:01:50.540 --> 0:01:53.940 ridiculous decision. A major part of it happened last week 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.030 when the Senate, all bar the Labor Party, voted to 0:01:57.060 --> 0:01:59.330 get rid of it and then they decided to kick 0:01:59.350 --> 0:02:02.810 it off until October. So all of those that have 0:02:02.850 --> 0:02:06.990 been fighting it, they spoke about the win for veterans today. 0:02:08.790 --> 0:02:09.990 The cap has been scrapped. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.320 And what we've done to back it up in there 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.560 is to make sure that in the future there'll be 0:02:15.660 --> 0:02:18.920 no more caps on our health when it comes to 0:02:19.020 --> 0:02:19.420 our health. 0:02:19.780 --> 0:02:20.760 That has to stop. 0:02:21.139 --> 0:02:23.770 They never had any answers on how veterans would get 0:02:23.790 --> 0:02:26.190 the help they need. They never had a solution to 0:02:26.210 --> 0:02:28.990 the veterans who said it's already too hard to get treatment. 0:02:30.190 --> 0:02:33.109 After months and months of campaigning from veterans, I want 0:02:33.130 --> 0:02:35.810 to give a shout out to Senator Lambie and her team. 0:02:36.350 --> 0:02:37.390 The connection they have with. 0:02:37.290 --> 0:02:39.609 The veterans community is really important to bring that to 0:02:39.630 --> 0:02:40.550 the floor of the parliament. 0:02:40.610 --> 0:02:45.020 With continued opposition from the veterans community, from the crossbench, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.859 from the coalition, they have now capitulated and said, OK, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.880 we're not going to do this. We have a contract 0:02:51.210 --> 0:02:54.149 with ADF. If you serve our country, if you put 0:02:54.190 --> 0:02:56.500 your body on the line, we will look after you. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.040 But let's be honest, it's not about politicians. It's about 0:02:59.060 --> 0:03:02.000 the veterans themselves. John Armfeld is a man who we 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.430 have spoken to many times, former Navy diver. He has 0:03:04.470 --> 0:03:06.870 been at the absolute front of this, along with his colleagues, 0:03:07.230 --> 0:03:10.730 his friends, his mates. 25,000 people they spoke on the 0:03:10.770 --> 0:03:13.130 behalf of, and they have finally got some fair care 0:03:13.150 --> 0:03:16.740 for veterans. He joins us now from the GC. Congratulations, mate. 0:03:16.780 --> 0:03:18.940 It shouldn't have taken this, but congratulations. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.560 Paul, firstly, I want to thank you on behalf of 0:03:22.580 --> 0:03:25.940 the veteran community and News 24, mate, for all your support. 0:03:26.380 --> 0:03:29.280 and rallying the nation behind the veteran community. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.480 We're truly grateful. 0:03:32.020 --> 0:03:37.020 Mate, Paul, it was great to see Senators Shoebridge, Pocock 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:42.400 and Lambie unite with the coalition. We thank everyone who 0:03:42.460 --> 0:03:46.000 supported the veteran community again. And most of all, we 0:03:46.030 --> 0:03:48.870 thank the veteran community and their families for allowing us 0:03:48.910 --> 0:03:50.910 to fight. And hopefully we did them proud. 0:03:51.370 --> 0:03:52.490 So what does it mean now? 0:03:52.550 --> 0:03:56.750 Does it mean that the anxiety disappears? Because obviously the 0:03:57.050 --> 0:03:59.890 Department of Veterans Affairs continues to be a massive punish 0:03:59.910 --> 0:04:02.500 for everyone who's engaged in it. But now that this 0:04:02.590 --> 0:04:06.380 cap is gone, for people like yourself that have had 0:04:06.420 --> 0:04:07.980 to use it, and again, we're talking about a whole 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.540 bunch of stuff that is virtually life and death, but 0:04:10.580 --> 0:04:13.200 it doesn't count as the life and death care. This 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.940 cap had to disappear. So does the anxiety disappear, at 0:04:17.860 --> 0:04:19.320 least on this front tonight? 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.540 Hey, Paul, definitely on this front, mate. I've had a 0:04:24.620 --> 0:04:26.620 lot of people reach out in the last month, but 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.920 let me just quickly tell you from a veteran himself, 0:04:28.980 --> 0:04:31.640 and it sort of reduced me to tears today. Mate, 0:04:31.660 --> 0:04:34.020 I just want to thank you personally. If I could 0:04:34.060 --> 0:04:36.440 give you a handshake and a hug, I would. Your 0:04:36.500 --> 0:04:39.250 efforts and those of the other veterans who have publicly 0:04:39.310 --> 0:04:42.950 fought for us have saved my life. I'm not dramatising this. 0:04:43.470 --> 0:04:47.770 I have complex PTSD, severe anxiety and severe antisocial disorder. 0:04:48.210 --> 0:04:50.810 I have chronic physical injuries that are all degenerative from 0:04:50.830 --> 0:04:54.099 my service as a 31-year infantry soldier, one of the 0:04:54.180 --> 0:04:55.820 toughest and most physical jobs. 0:04:55.660 --> 0:04:56.779 In the ADF. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.179 But the main thing he said is, also, my wife 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.500 is so relieved. She cried when she heard the news today. Wives, husbands, 0:05:04.620 --> 0:05:09.570 partners of veterans are also collateral damage. So, Paul, this 0:05:09.630 --> 0:05:13.140 man's thanked me. But he's also thanking you and the 0:05:13.180 --> 0:05:14.620 people who supported us. So thank you. 0:05:14.990 --> 0:05:15.510 Oh, good man. 0:05:15.550 --> 0:05:17.430 Look, it's the easiest thing to do because it is 0:05:17.470 --> 0:05:19.690 the social contract, right? It is the social contract that 0:05:19.710 --> 0:05:21.430 if you are willing to risk your life for the country, 0:05:21.750 --> 0:05:24.050 the country should be taking care of you. Now, again, 0:05:24.830 --> 0:05:27.410 what I smelt through all of this was that every 0:05:27.450 --> 0:05:30.510 department was told to find something to cut somewhere. Someone 0:05:30.570 --> 0:05:33.320 somewhere found this inside the Department of Veterans Affairs. It 0:05:33.339 --> 0:05:35.260 gets pushed up to the minister. Minister doesn't want to 0:05:35.300 --> 0:05:38.440 piss off the bureaucrats, so finds a way to defend, 0:05:38.450 --> 0:05:40.500 look the other way. And as we spoke about when 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.460 you guys actually got to talk to the Prime Minister, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.400 he wasn't really aware of the unnecessary block that was there. 0:05:48.460 --> 0:05:51.480 Let's be clear, obviously the decisions made by the Prime Minister, 0:05:51.540 --> 0:05:53.060 if you guys didn't get the chance to look him 0:05:53.100 --> 0:05:55.760 in the eye, we'd still be going around and around 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.860 and around in circles because the bureaucrats are going to 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.700 defend their decision. The Minister's going to have cover for 0:06:00.750 --> 0:06:03.010 the bureaucrats. There had to be a circuit breaker in 0:06:03.420 --> 0:06:06.810 And the second high-profile trip to Canberra is what has 0:06:06.900 --> 0:06:08.330 broken the circuit here. 0:06:10.170 --> 0:06:11.250 Exactly right, Paul. 0:06:11.810 --> 0:06:14.630 The fact that the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister's office, 0:06:14.690 --> 0:06:17.330 his staff, gave us the opportunity to meet and we're 0:06:17.370 --> 0:06:21.760 greatly appreciative. The fact that the veteran community got behind 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.000 us and spoke to their members, their federal members, and 0:06:25.060 --> 0:06:27.279 put the pressure on them. And the fact that this 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.980 was such a big story This is a voting issue. 0:06:31.020 --> 0:06:32.880 It is political. We don't want it to be, but 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.120 unfortunately it is. And so together we do want to 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.880 thank the Prime Minister and the office. And I sort 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.660 of noticed today, Paul, I don't know if you did, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.670 it was actually Mark Butler who made the statement today 0:06:44.710 --> 0:06:45.690 and not Minister Keogh. 0:06:46.770 --> 0:06:49.810 Pretty crazy, right? And even sort of he has to 0:06:49.850 --> 0:06:53.800 get pushed to it later. Again, look, you know, they 0:06:53.830 --> 0:06:56.180 want to never admit a mistake, but this was such 0:06:56.220 --> 0:06:59.620 a massive one. Again, John, to you, to the organisation, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.620 to anyone who got you behind it, well done. As always, 0:07:02.820 --> 0:07:05.380 you've got the networks now, you know the numbers, you 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:06.760 know how to get in touch, and I have no 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.659 doubt that if you need to, you'll be on everyone's 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.340 doorstep straight away, mate. And, of course, keep an eye 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.380 up on faircareforveterans.com.au. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:14.360 Last one, John, go for it. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.150 Paul, obviously, Phil Thompson, Michael McCormick, thank you. And I 0:07:18.210 --> 0:07:20.570 promised on TV tonight, the last time potentially, I want 0:07:20.590 --> 0:07:22.330 to say hello to my two boys, Zach and Jake, 0:07:22.370 --> 0:07:22.850 who are watching. 0:07:22.890 --> 0:07:23.170 Thank you. 0:07:23.570 --> 0:07:25.530 Get on your boys, mate. You're welcome any time. Even 0:07:25.550 --> 0:07:27.510 if you just want to come back for a shout-out, John. 0:07:27.710 --> 0:07:29.170 Nice to see you, mate. You're welcome any time. 0:07:29.210 --> 0:07:31.750 Thank you, brother. All the best. Well done. 0:07:31.990 --> 0:07:34.430 Man who served his country and continued to serve his mates, 0:07:34.470 --> 0:07:35.880 serve the veterans, they got a win. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:36.600 They got a win. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.860 To any and anyone who's been watching the telly over 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.240 the past few months and has joined that website, has 0:07:42.340 --> 0:07:42.900 called their. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.560 Local MP, thank you, thank you, thank you. Because. 0:07:45.410 --> 0:07:47.770 It needed a straw to break the camel's back, but 0:07:47.810 --> 0:07:50.710 it needed to be like hay bales of straws before that. 0:07:50.770 --> 0:07:52.850 So any and every person who was a small part 0:07:52.870 --> 0:07:55.610 of that coalition, all of it together got the right 0:07:55.670 --> 0:07:58.060 thing done. And yes, thank you to the Prime Minister 0:07:58.140 --> 0:08:00.880 for finally turning around and yes, admitting a mistake. But 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.300 in the end, the admission has now been made. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:04.980 Thank goodness. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.860 Now, let's compare the people that serve the country to 0:08:09.100 --> 0:08:12.500 the next generation of people. As you know, today there 0:08:12.540 --> 0:08:15.200 was a few hundred, depending on what city you were in, 0:08:15.740 --> 0:08:20.980 of future socialists or already baked socialists, the socialist alternative, 0:08:21.020 --> 0:08:23.640 yet again out and about because they had to prove 0:08:23.690 --> 0:08:26.350 that they were better than Pauline Hanson, better than her supporters, 0:08:26.390 --> 0:08:29.590 better than anyone who's even thinking of agreeing with anything 0:08:29.610 --> 0:08:32.750 that Pauline Hanson has to say. Here's part of the 0:08:32.790 --> 0:08:34.550 fun they had while not being at school today. 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.059 Hundreds of students walked out of school today to march 0:08:38.100 --> 0:08:41.760 through Sydney's CBD in protest against One Nation and its leader, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:42.740 Pauline Hanson. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.090 Hundreds of students have walked out of classrooms and marched 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.110 through the CBD protesting against Pauline Hanson and the rise 0:08:50.170 --> 0:08:50.949 of One Nation. 0:08:52.950 --> 0:08:54.830 They just know more than us. That's what I like 0:08:54.870 --> 0:08:57.390 about these guys. They just know more than us. 0:08:58.130 --> 0:08:58.740 Example A. 0:09:00.420 --> 0:09:05.200 The majority of the country here are either queer, immigrants, 0:09:06.340 --> 0:09:07.680 like all the minorities. 0:09:08.220 --> 0:09:08.780 It's not fair. 0:09:08.820 --> 0:09:11.990 You're trying to single out an entire group of people, 0:09:13.490 --> 0:09:15.650 but then you're basically just trying to get rid of 0:09:15.670 --> 0:09:16.290 half the country. 0:09:16.570 --> 0:09:18.830 We've seen how America's going. This is just going to 0:09:18.870 --> 0:09:22.010 happen again. Don't make the same mistakes. 0:09:22.050 --> 0:09:24.510 We care about Australia and we care about rights. 0:09:33.550 --> 0:09:35.850 Pauline Hanson's politics are actually so toxic. 0:09:36.030 --> 0:09:37.910 Like, she's for racism and bigotry. 0:09:37.929 --> 0:09:40.780 I would say Pauline is the Australian version of Trump 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.900 and I don't think it's fair. 0:09:41.740 --> 0:09:42.300 What she does. 0:09:42.420 --> 0:09:43.100 I agree. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.340 I swore on telly, Mum. I swore on telly. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.620 Now, it wasn't just those that were there and willing 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.569 to speak to truth to power, man. 0:09:54.130 --> 0:09:55.650 There was a whole bunch of people who were given 0:09:55.690 --> 0:09:56.910 the ability to. 0:09:56.890 --> 0:10:01.420 Speak to the protesters and, again, they're all better than us. 0:10:01.460 --> 0:10:03.790 And I just think we should recognise that because clearly 0:10:04.070 --> 0:10:06.709 that's what they felt as they were picking up the pitchforks, sorry, 0:10:06.750 --> 0:10:09.520 signs today, that they are just better than us. 0:10:11.100 --> 0:10:12.300 I hope you know damn. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.450 Well that this protest isn't just against Pauline Hanson and 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.750 One Nation. It's against the entire political establishment. If you 0:10:18.770 --> 0:10:22.010 worked at a restaurant, would you say Pauline Hanson? 0:10:30.860 --> 0:10:34.100 And then there's the organisers as well. Remember, they're just 0:10:34.140 --> 0:10:34.770 better than us. 0:10:36.370 --> 0:10:39.709 You can't just look at it in terms of Victoria. Like, they, yeah, 0:10:40.070 --> 0:10:46.310 one secret harbour, Fowler, they've been building a vitriolic, hard, far-right, 0:10:46.410 --> 0:10:49.670 racist base. We can see Trump's America as well, where 0:10:49.850 --> 0:10:54.110 ICE kill people. She wants to bring ICE to Australia. So, yeah, 0:10:54.170 --> 0:10:55.450 we want to fight back against that. 0:10:56.630 --> 0:10:58.730 Just make it up, but I'm wearing high-vis, so, you know, 0:10:58.750 --> 0:10:59.969 it's really important. 0:10:59.990 --> 0:11:01.690 Wow. 0:11:02.970 --> 0:11:05.150 Everyone has the right to protest. Good luck to them, but. 0:11:06.030 --> 0:11:08.410 does anyone actually think that this moves a single vote, 0:11:09.130 --> 0:11:12.790 even for the socialists, right? Now, again, don't you love 0:11:12.809 --> 0:11:15.150 the organisation here, right? There's a Victorian election coming up 0:11:15.170 --> 0:11:18.290 and the Victorian socialists are literally running candidates in places. 0:11:18.309 --> 0:11:20.850 You would think they'd be focused on that as trying 0:11:20.890 --> 0:11:22.470 to get them, but no, no. 0:11:22.809 --> 0:11:26.730 We are Batman. She is the Joker. It goes on 0:11:26.770 --> 0:11:28.010 and on, round and around. 0:11:28.850 --> 0:11:30.890 And, of course, don't you love, though, that when they 0:11:30.950 --> 0:11:33.870 have a protest, there is no counter-protest? So, therefore, there 0:11:33.890 --> 0:11:36.329 is no confrontation. There is no nonsense that happens at 0:11:36.370 --> 0:11:38.850 these things. But, of course, anyone they disagree with has 0:11:38.890 --> 0:11:41.290 a protest. Well, they have to protest to have the counter-protest, 0:11:41.770 --> 0:11:44.680 like there's going to be one in Melbourne this weekend. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.380 And I reckon when we reconvene on Sunday night, there'll 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:48.780 probably be some problems. 0:11:49.140 --> 0:11:51.760 Not because of the original protest, but because of the counter-protest. Because, 0:11:51.780 --> 0:11:53.380 you know, they're better than us. 0:11:54.410 --> 0:11:57.170 And, yes, I do want to play that grab from 0:11:57.210 --> 0:11:59.349 the middle bit, the guy who just, you know, is 0:11:59.370 --> 0:12:00.710 so powerful and swearing. 0:12:01.030 --> 0:12:02.250 And what a call to action. 0:12:02.610 --> 0:12:05.490 If you work in a restaurant, would you serve Pauline Hanson? 0:12:05.910 --> 0:12:08.270 Would you serve anyone who votes for Pauline Hanson? 0:12:09.850 --> 0:12:10.330 One more time. 0:12:11.370 --> 0:12:13.630 I hope you know damn well that this protest isn't 0:12:13.650 --> 0:12:16.460 just against Pauline Hanson and One Nation. It's against the 0:12:16.500 --> 0:12:21.040 entire political establishment. If you worked at a restaurant, would 0:12:21.059 --> 0:12:22.220 you serve Pauline Hanson? 0:12:25.860 --> 0:12:27.040 Good on you, guys. 0:12:27.860 --> 0:12:32.040 Change the world. So let us talk now about the 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.280 social media ban, which is on its way. Now, we 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.990 have gone on quite the journey this week from me 0:12:38.050 --> 0:12:40.489 making the obvious observation that if what we're talking about 0:12:40.530 --> 0:12:42.729 here is a button to decide that you only follow 0:12:42.750 --> 0:12:44.750 who you follow or you end up seeing people you 0:12:44.790 --> 0:12:45.260 don't follow. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.000 which, of course, got the little shout-out in the parliament. 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.900 To the obvious problem with the laws being a big 0:12:50.940 --> 0:12:55.560 red button where the minister can simply decide that's harmful, boom, gone. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:57.300 Now, do you reckon any of the. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.479 People that you've just seen in the protest, if they 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.100 were able to create a pressure on a minister to say, 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.219 get rid of this because it's harmful, do you reckon 0:13:04.260 --> 0:13:06.359 the lefty minister will say no? 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.370 People have a right to say things, even things that 0:13:09.470 --> 0:13:12.189 are unpleasant. No, not illegal. No, not any of the 0:13:12.230 --> 0:13:14.229 lists that we read from the law before. No, of 0:13:14.290 --> 0:13:17.059 course not. But here's the deal. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:22.240 Of course, the reality is, is that there's plenty of 0:13:22.260 --> 0:13:24.860 people who've said that this legislation is not about the 0:13:25.140 --> 0:13:28.900 basic access to algorithm versus followers, that because of that 0:13:28.940 --> 0:13:32.330 big red button, we are hovering over a world of censorship. 0:13:33.750 --> 0:13:37.490 It's a pretty dangerous bill because it allows the government 0:13:37.610 --> 0:13:41.390 to impose political censorship. What the government needs to do 0:13:41.590 --> 0:13:44.819 is give confidence to the Australian community. that this isn't 0:13:44.860 --> 0:13:46.500 a backdoor pathway to censorship. 0:13:46.620 --> 0:13:50.980 The reality is it's providing a blank check for political 0:13:51.059 --> 0:13:53.780 censorship to the minister, to the government. 0:13:54.380 --> 0:13:58.809 But of course the government says, censorship? Censorship, please. 0:13:59.350 --> 0:14:01.550 We've listed all of the things that are terrible and 0:14:01.570 --> 0:14:03.209 then put a big asterisk at the bottom saying if 0:14:03.230 --> 0:14:05.709 the minister finds it terrible, she'll have the power to 0:14:05.809 --> 0:14:07.620 boot it without asking for parliament. 0:14:09.470 --> 0:14:12.770 It's not about censorship. It's about giving people control. 0:14:12.830 --> 0:14:16.430 What did these leading national organisations hear today from the 0:14:16.470 --> 0:14:17.390 Leader of the Opposition? 0:14:17.410 --> 0:14:17.469 No. 0:14:18.570 --> 0:14:20.990 No to your pleas. 0:14:21.750 --> 0:14:23.290 And what did these leading. 0:14:23.070 --> 0:14:23.810 National organisations hear? 0:14:23.830 --> 0:14:24.510 They heard no. 0:14:25.770 --> 0:14:28.410 They heard no and they heard a straw man argument 0:14:28.530 --> 0:14:29.820 about political censorship. 0:14:30.910 --> 0:14:33.850 By the way, a little bit of news about Annika Wells. 0:14:34.510 --> 0:14:36.850 She did go to the NFL, by the way, not 0:14:36.870 --> 0:14:40.100 in Queensland. Of course, was in Melbourne. And she went. 0:14:40.700 --> 0:14:44.380 And she went as a guest of the Nine Network, right? Because, 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.600 of course, she's the communications minister too. So glad to 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.980 see she's back in the game. How she flew, of course, 0:14:50.020 --> 0:14:52.600 from Canberra to... Melbourne or Brisbane to Melbourne. 0:14:52.820 --> 0:14:53.640 Who knows? Who knows? 0:14:53.660 --> 0:14:55.080 I mean, maybe it might be like the time she 0:14:55.100 --> 0:14:56.660 went to the Melbourne Cup and, you know, she had 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.360 all those meetings either side of having to go to 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.860 the Melbourne Cup. Or when she went to South Australia 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.340 and apparently had a meeting with the member of the government. 0:15:05.540 --> 0:15:08.800 Very, very close to a 40th birthday. But whatever, nothing 0:15:08.820 --> 0:15:13.490 to see here. Anyway, today the Greens have told us 0:15:13.500 --> 0:15:16.390 what's really going on. And why do the Greens matter here? 0:15:16.740 --> 0:15:18.980 Because the Coalition have said no, because the crossbench has 0:15:19.020 --> 0:15:21.200 largely said no, there's only one way through the Parliament, 0:15:21.220 --> 0:15:24.780 and that is with the Greens. The Greens have opened 0:15:24.820 --> 0:15:26.900 up the door, and they want a whole lot more 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.040 than what is currently on the table. Now, again, I 0:15:31.060 --> 0:15:36.200 remain completely cool with a conversation about a button where 0:15:36.220 --> 0:15:38.900 you only see who you follow versus access to who 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.810 you don't follow. That's choice, right? I don't Really, I'm 0:15:41.830 --> 0:15:43.690 not going to die on that hill. But I am 0:15:43.730 --> 0:15:46.130 going to make quite a point about the minister having 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.580 a big red button and a definition made up by 0:15:48.660 --> 0:15:52.120 her about what is considered to be harmful or to 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.280 be made up by the people who may pass the legislation. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.150 And what did they say today about the need. 0:15:59.170 --> 0:16:00.109 For the big red button? 0:16:01.630 --> 0:16:04.970 Every time you get Pauline Hanson come out and say, well, actually, 0:16:05.270 --> 0:16:08.770 she wants to promote hateful messages against First Nations peoples, 0:16:09.530 --> 0:16:13.700 or you get the Coalition coming out and saying that 0:16:13.740 --> 0:16:16.700 they want to promote genocide denial, I think it points 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.400 out we need digital duty of care so that those 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:21.900 messages aren't amplified. 0:16:23.870 --> 0:16:24.210 Sorry? 0:16:25.750 --> 0:16:29.390 Sorry, the genocide denial bit? Wow. 0:16:30.410 --> 0:16:32.130 You see, that is the tail that is going to 0:16:32.150 --> 0:16:35.070 wag the dog here. This is why I made my 0:16:35.110 --> 0:16:38.670 observation about when the Coalition should stand up and say no. 0:16:39.230 --> 0:16:41.000 Because if there was an opportunity to have a piece 0:16:41.010 --> 0:16:43.460 of legislation to remove the big red button, then there's 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.880 a different conversation. But if they're not going to remove 0:16:45.900 --> 0:16:47.360 the big red button, then the people who are going 0:16:47.380 --> 0:16:50.240 to decide what qualifies for the big red button are 0:16:50.860 --> 0:16:55.880 the crazy kids in the room, aka the Greens, or current. 0:16:55.570 --> 0:16:58.310 Or future Greens, like the ones before. 0:16:59.190 --> 0:16:59.290 Nah. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.220 Now, of course, let's talk about the economy, but let's 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.380 also talk about a really important report which is coming 0:17:08.460 --> 0:17:12.070 out next week, which gives us an indication about how 0:17:12.109 --> 0:17:13.990 bad things are going to get, not in the next 0:17:14.070 --> 0:17:17.560 two to five years, but in the next 10, 20, 30, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.780 40 years. Now, of course, they all assume they'll be 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.300 in power for all of that, so that's why we 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.100 show you this. I mean, they'll all eventually get the 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.240 chance to become Prime Minister. But I have shown you 0:17:27.340 --> 0:17:29.800 this graph for the best part of three years now. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.360 This came from a thing called the Intergenerational Report. It shows, 0:17:33.380 --> 0:17:35.369 and that's why we've got the red there, how many 0:17:36.010 --> 0:17:42.990 budget deficits are likely to happen between now and the 2060s. Now, 0:17:43.010 --> 0:17:45.270 as you can see, every single one of those is 0:17:45.430 --> 0:17:49.420 added on top of the already existing trillion dollars debt. 0:17:49.980 --> 0:17:53.120 So pretty obviously, that gets us pretty quickly towards 1.2, 1.5, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:59.729 T4 trillion dollars debt. Now, Jim Chalmers is the one 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.200 who is going to deliver this report because Peter Costello 0:18:02.220 --> 0:18:05.140 was the first to introduce the idea of the intergenerational report. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.740 A whole bunch of assumptions about what will be population, 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.280 what will be the budget, what will be how many 0:18:11.380 --> 0:18:12.379 old people, what will be the. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:13.500 Cost to government. 0:18:13.859 --> 0:18:19.400 This is really the roadmap beyond the electoral cycle. This 0:18:19.460 --> 0:18:23.190 is the insight into what the machine thinks is going 0:18:23.250 --> 0:18:25.850 to be our future. Now, of course, they can choose 0:18:25.910 --> 0:18:29.840 to give... rosy pictures they can decide to show us 0:18:29.900 --> 0:18:33.139 really dark pictures or they can show us the structural 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.330 problems that exist right now when there's not enough money 0:18:36.369 --> 0:18:39.389 coming into the government to match the promises that they 0:18:39.430 --> 0:18:43.710 have made in spending from this government and remember the 0:18:43.750 --> 0:18:46.730 assumption of them wanting to rule for not just the 0:18:46.770 --> 0:18:49.780 past four but for the next 10 then all of 0:18:49.820 --> 0:18:52.880 the current settings and problems and results will be amplified 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.409 into the future So Jim Chalmers was giving us a 0:18:56.510 --> 0:18:58.340 preview into a report that he already knows. 0:18:58.430 --> 0:19:00.100 Why? Because it was put together by Treasury. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.240 The very same people who, of course, put the budget together, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.780 and it is being released on Monday. Now, he is 0:19:06.820 --> 0:19:09.280 softening us up, which means you're going to see previews 0:19:09.619 --> 0:19:11.720 of this, be it the good or the bad news, 0:19:12.020 --> 0:19:14.750 over the next few days. He did a little bit 0:19:14.770 --> 0:19:16.649 of that in Question Time today. 0:19:17.750 --> 0:19:21.689 On Monday, the government will be releasing the intergenerational report, 0:19:21.710 --> 0:19:26.000 which is a really important snapshot. of the serious economic 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:31.060 challenges but also substantial economic opportunities that we will face 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.080 as a country over the course of the next four decades. 0:19:34.660 --> 0:19:36.780 And it's a good way to help us plan to 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.070 make sure that our people are beneficiaries of all of 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.710 this change that is accelerating in our society and in 0:19:42.830 --> 0:19:46.430 our economy rather than victims of that change, Mr Speaker. 0:19:47.470 --> 0:19:49.730 Now, what was the headline? 0:19:50.030 --> 0:19:52.490 That was given to us on the Thursday, before the Friday, 0:19:52.530 --> 0:19:55.050 before the Saturday, the Sunday, before it's released again on 0:19:55.090 --> 0:19:58.630 the Monday? The Treasury says half a billion dollars will 0:19:58.650 --> 0:20:01.220 be wiped off Australia's debt in the long run. So, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.760 hang on, we're currently in one T for trillion dollars debt. What, 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.540 they're going to get rid of half a trillion of that? 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:09.660 Well done. Well done, Jim. 0:20:09.940 --> 0:20:13.359 Only problem is, here's the asterisk, that is over the 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.740 next 40 years. So it's not starting at a trillion 0:20:17.780 --> 0:20:20.600 and then we go down. It's starting at a trillion 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.040 and trying to slow. 0:20:22.500 --> 0:20:25.470 The growth to 1.1, 1.2, 1.3. It's still going to 0:20:25.490 --> 0:20:27.889 do that because the structural deficit in the budget is. 0:20:32.550 --> 0:20:35.169 Means that unless they're going to do something really crazy 0:20:35.190 --> 0:20:37.469 with taxes, they are spending more than it is coming in. 0:20:37.820 --> 0:20:43.620 Because modern monetary theory, something that people like Albo, Chalmers, 0:20:43.700 --> 0:20:47.479 and virtually everyone in the establishment exists on now, which 0:20:47.540 --> 0:20:48.960 is we can rack up as much debt. 0:20:48.859 --> 0:20:50.919 As possible because nobody will ever call it in. 0:20:51.820 --> 0:20:57.120 And while that might be possible, of course, you still 0:20:57.140 --> 0:20:58.850 have to pay interest on the debt. You still have 0:20:58.869 --> 0:21:01.770 to service the debt. So it goes from being the 0:21:01.869 --> 0:21:05.400 20th biggest thing that you pay for, to the 15th, 0:21:05.420 --> 0:21:08.399 to the 10th, to the top five. That's exactly the 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.439 scenario playing out in Victoria right now. That's the price 0:21:11.859 --> 0:21:15.800 of this type of politics. So we will all find 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.740 out together what the roadmap for the next 40 years 0:21:18.810 --> 0:21:19.570 is going to be. 0:21:20.070 --> 0:21:22.429 But I promise you, the same people who were not 0:21:22.590 --> 0:21:23.590 able in this. 0:21:23.510 --> 0:21:26.230 Budget to be able to accurately talk about house prices, 0:21:26.710 --> 0:21:29.430 the same people who weren't accurately able to talk about rent, 0:21:29.940 --> 0:21:32.040 are going to do everything they possibly can to present 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.600 a potentially rosy future. But the best predictor of the 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.180 future is the past, and the most recent past under 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:38.660 this mob? 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:44.290 Yeah, I agree with you. Another example about planning for 0:21:44.310 --> 0:21:46.209 the long run is, of course, population. 0:21:46.810 --> 0:21:48.990 The Australian Bureau of Statistics has given us a very 0:21:49.070 --> 0:21:50.609 clear idea about where we go. 0:21:50.930 --> 0:21:53.620 In the next 20, 40 years. 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.840 They're saying that we're going to be, if we keep 0:21:56.900 --> 0:22:00.420 things at a high level of migration, we'll be at 0:22:00.420 --> 0:22:04.340 45 million people. A little bit less, a little bit less, 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.810 but still a lot more than we currently have now. And, 0:22:07.830 --> 0:22:10.690 in fact, today we actually got the, not just the 0:22:10.730 --> 0:22:14.550 population clock, but the actual scoreboard of the population right 0:22:14.570 --> 0:22:17.429 now as it stands. Middle of September, 27.9 million people. 0:22:17.450 --> 0:22:18.670 That's up 300 million. 0:22:21.950 --> 0:22:24.410 And 92,000 people in one year. And guess what? Not 0:22:24.470 --> 0:22:25.650 all of that was birth. 0:22:27.130 --> 0:22:29.360 As for New South Wales, it is up, but not 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:33.440 as much as others, but up to 8.6 million. Victoria, 7.2, 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.639 with 110,000. 0:22:36.220 --> 0:22:39.840 People that population has grown by. Again, it's not all 0:22:39.900 --> 0:22:43.580 from people having babies. It's from people coming into the country. 0:22:43.859 --> 0:22:46.260 But don't talk about that, right? That's racist. 0:22:48.850 --> 0:22:50.890 Even in South Australia, where it's less than 2 million people, 0:22:50.950 --> 0:22:53.990 it is 18,000. Unsurprisingly, one of the places where I 0:22:54.010 --> 0:22:56.810 think only, what, 4,000, 6,000 people ended up moving in 0:22:56.830 --> 0:22:58.530 the past 12 months would be the ACT. 0:22:58.790 --> 0:23:00.699 Where's the place where all the people make the decisions? Oh, 0:23:00.710 --> 0:23:03.300 that's right, the place where there's not a huge population growth. 0:23:03.619 --> 0:23:05.119 The people who get to turn around and say to 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.679 everyone else around the country, you don't know what you're living. 0:23:10.020 --> 0:23:12.179 So there, of course, was the announcement today from the 0:23:12.340 --> 0:23:16.840 Arts Minister, sorry, Home Affairs Minister, sorry, Immigration Minister, Tony Burke. 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.360 The government will reveal its migration overhaul today. 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.100 After six weeks of delays, the government is set to 0:23:25.140 --> 0:23:28.900 announce sweeping reforms to Australia's migration system. 0:23:29.460 --> 0:23:29.900 Sweeping. 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.000 I mean, when you hear the word sweeping being said, 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.960 that is not just a word that they just, you know, 0:23:34.510 --> 0:23:36.650 what's one we can throw into the sentence to make 0:23:36.690 --> 0:23:41.470 it seem more exciting. Sweeping means sweeping, means massive, crazy changes, right? 0:23:41.910 --> 0:23:44.250 Hundreds of thousands of people coming in, two million by 0:23:44.290 --> 0:23:45.630 the end of the next. 0:23:45.510 --> 0:23:47.890 Election, but, you know, what are the changes going to be? 0:23:48.580 --> 0:23:50.440 Hit me where it hurts, Minister. 0:23:52.100 --> 0:23:55.260 For international students, we will no longer be allowing the 0:23:55.300 --> 0:23:59.560 attaching of family members for international students or for graduate visas. 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:01.160 Wow! 0:24:02.410 --> 0:24:06.930 Everything just changed. Everything just changed, right? And what else 0:24:06.990 --> 0:24:09.250 are you going to do? Maybe the people who just 0:24:09.470 --> 0:24:11.390 visa hop all the time. So they turn up here 0:24:11.710 --> 0:24:13.950 on one visa and then they just sort of apply 0:24:13.970 --> 0:24:16.360 and then end up sticking around for so long. 0:24:16.420 --> 0:24:18.600 And because they end up having kids there, here, they 0:24:18.619 --> 0:24:20.320 get to stay because, well, we didn't want to upset 0:24:20.340 --> 0:24:21.960 the kids. What's going to happen there? 0:24:23.180 --> 0:24:26.379 Effectively, what we are going back to doing is simply 0:24:26.420 --> 0:24:29.080 being able to make sure that if you overstay, you 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.180 will not be able to say, well, there's no consequences 0:24:31.220 --> 0:24:32.780 as if they're ever going to make sure. 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:33.180 That I leave. 0:24:33.869 --> 0:24:36.580 We need, with the integrity of the program... to make 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.310 sure that we can go back simply to what we 0:24:39.350 --> 0:24:40.330 did before 2015. 0:24:40.330 --> 0:24:44.510 Yes, so they're going to hire, like, an extra 100 people, 0:24:45.550 --> 0:24:47.709 whose job it will be to double-check whether people's visas 0:24:47.750 --> 0:24:49.469 have expired or not, and then, of course, they will 0:24:49.490 --> 0:24:50.409 just send them a letter. 0:24:51.070 --> 0:24:52.050 Now, yes, there's a promise. 0:24:52.090 --> 0:24:55.450 There's a promise that somehow these people, if they self-report, because, 0:24:55.470 --> 0:24:57.350 of course, to go and get them would be considered 0:24:57.530 --> 0:25:01.740 Australia's version of ICE. as opposed to you agreed to 0:25:01.780 --> 0:25:04.379 turn up for X amount of days, weeks or months 0:25:04.740 --> 0:25:06.970 and you have now gone way past, perhaps in days, 0:25:07.010 --> 0:25:07.930 months or years. 0:25:08.470 --> 0:25:11.369 But you can't do that. It's Australian ice, remember? It 0:25:11.410 --> 0:25:16.129 all sort of links back to those kids, doesn't it? So, okay, sweeping. 0:25:16.510 --> 0:25:18.189 Sweeping was the announcement. 0:25:19.100 --> 0:25:23.080 So exactly how many people in the headline number is 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.080 going to change? 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:27.179 They didn't have one? 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.580 Nothing? 0:25:28.940 --> 0:25:29.220 Nothing? 0:25:30.390 --> 0:25:31.990 There is no change in the headline number from what 0:25:32.010 --> 0:25:35.830 the current system is. So the budget has just predicted, okay, look, 0:25:35.869 --> 0:25:40.220 it was this and then maybe to here, right? So, okay, 0:25:40.340 --> 0:25:42.900 what's the number, right? Because the number is apparent. There's 0:25:42.940 --> 0:25:46.760 no number. There's no new number. Let's just look back 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.139 to the budget documents that didn't get it right about rents, 0:25:49.500 --> 0:25:51.879 didn't get it right about house prices. You trust them, 0:25:52.500 --> 0:25:55.369 the ones that Jim's trying to make it seem like 0:25:55.380 --> 0:25:56.990 they're going to pay off half the debt. 0:25:57.030 --> 0:25:58.669 Come on. Come on. 0:26:00.450 --> 0:26:02.950 Now, remember, this was the policy that's, what, six weeks 0:26:03.109 --> 0:26:05.870 after the first announcement, and either there was an announcement 0:26:05.890 --> 0:26:07.330 that was going to be made six weeks ago and 0:26:07.369 --> 0:26:11.730 nothing's happened, or the announcement back then has been stopped, 0:26:11.750 --> 0:26:13.090 which means there's no real announcement. 0:26:13.109 --> 0:26:13.690 There's some fiddle. 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:15.520 There's some fiddle, and there's a couple of changes that 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:17.980 I don't have a problem with the partner thing when 0:26:18.020 --> 0:26:20.580 it comes to the students, but that's not the major 0:26:20.619 --> 0:26:24.980 problem right now. Now, of course, Angus Taylor and the 0:26:25.020 --> 0:26:29.300 opposition are pilloried by the government because their immigration policy is, 0:26:29.340 --> 0:26:32.240 guess what? You have to build more houses and the 0:26:32.290 --> 0:26:33.920 number of houses that are built in any one year 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.669 is how many people can come in because, you know, 0:26:35.910 --> 0:26:42.130 they need to live somewhere. Well, the analysis was that 0:26:42.170 --> 0:26:47.850 that's kind of the point. Tony Burke has actually sort 0:26:47.890 --> 0:26:51.530 of said, yeah, it's kind of true. Migration and housing, yeah, 0:26:51.730 --> 0:26:53.409 it's kind of linked, right? 0:26:55.830 --> 0:26:59.540 In fact... Let me show you him saying the quiet 0:26:59.580 --> 0:27:00.520 part out loud. 0:27:01.940 --> 0:27:04.659 Immigration will need to be part of the solution to 0:27:04.700 --> 0:27:08.800 help provide some space for housing supply to catch up. 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.300 Unsurprising, Pauline Hanson, who said, yeah, let's pause it all 0:27:12.619 --> 0:27:15.800 for three years, let the housing catch up, and then 0:27:15.820 --> 0:27:22.580 have only 130,000 people, unsurprisingly, unimpressed by the nothingness of today. 0:27:23.820 --> 0:27:26.560 We are still planning to bring it in. I've had 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.560 talks with the tourism industry. 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.480 They are furious. They're not allowing the right workers in. 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.870 They're slowing down visa applications. And a lot of these 0:27:36.930 --> 0:27:39.330 tourist operators don't know whether they're going to get the 0:27:39.390 --> 0:27:41.910 workers to come in and fill the spots that they 0:27:41.950 --> 0:27:45.570 desperately need. So Labor, again, has lied to the people. 0:27:45.790 --> 0:27:49.310 They've sat on their hands. One Nation has forced them 0:27:49.450 --> 0:27:52.850 to reduce this immigration policy, but it's not going to work. 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.820 So it's all smoke and mirrors. And again, Labor continues 0:27:56.980 --> 0:27:59.420 to lie to the people with a hidden agenda. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.280 To the United States, because apparently everything that happens there 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:08.650 definitely happens here, right, kids? Now, as you know, inflation, 0:28:08.670 --> 0:28:10.550 massive problem around the world. Of course, it's a massive 0:28:10.570 --> 0:28:12.910 problem in the United States for all the obvious reasons. 0:28:14.390 --> 0:28:17.189 And petrol is particularly bad in the United States right now, 0:28:17.230 --> 0:28:19.189 despite the fact that we keep being told that, you know, 0:28:19.210 --> 0:28:21.120 they can drill, drill, baby, drill, and they've got their 0:28:21.170 --> 0:28:22.820 own energy independence and all the rest of. 0:28:22.859 --> 0:28:23.100 It, right? 0:28:23.470 --> 0:28:25.750 Petrol, in particular, is going through the roof. 0:28:26.230 --> 0:28:27.830 One of the reasons that Donald Trump was able to 0:28:27.869 --> 0:28:29.629 get a second crack at being president was because of 0:28:29.690 --> 0:28:32.710 how high petrol was under the inflation of Joe Biden. 0:28:33.650 --> 0:28:35.310 So even people who used to. 0:28:35.330 --> 0:28:40.470 You know, storm the barricades, metaphorically, for Donald Trump, who 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.980 are now well and truly out of the Trump camp, 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.979 are calling Trump out for petrol prices. 0:28:45.980 --> 0:28:50.800 8.49 for diesel in California. 0:28:50.820 --> 0:28:52.160 Let me tell you something. 0:28:52.740 --> 0:28:56.940 It's... $ 6. 0:28:52.940 --> 0:28:55.950 59 in Georgia. 0:28:56.330 --> 0:28:59.890 I don't care if it's Georgia or California. It's way 0:29:00.190 --> 0:29:01.110 too high. 0:29:01.850 --> 0:29:02.880 This is ridiculous. 0:29:02.930 --> 0:29:07.240 Look, everything you buy, your food, your supplies, all of 0:29:07.300 --> 0:29:09.980 your goods gets delivered by diesel. 0:29:10.860 --> 0:29:13.040 The war in Iran has got to stop. 0:29:13.300 --> 0:29:14.340 This is Trump's fault. 0:29:14.820 --> 0:29:16.160 This should not be this high. 0:29:16.500 --> 0:29:17.320 It needs to end. 0:29:18.140 --> 0:29:18.680 Ridiculous. 0:29:19.570 --> 0:29:21.690 It's the same problem here, but, of course, 52 cents 0:29:21.730 --> 0:29:23.890 of every litre that is sold here is taxed for 0:29:23.910 --> 0:29:26.770 the federal government because, you know, they're paying off half 0:29:26.810 --> 0:29:31.070 of the debt. As for the president himself, he keeps 0:29:31.110 --> 0:29:33.590 going back to something that, even if, like me, you're 0:29:33.610 --> 0:29:35.810 a Trump fan, you very much would still vote for 0:29:35.850 --> 0:29:37.830 him over Kamala, right? And you're very glad that he's 0:29:37.870 --> 0:29:39.580 back in the Oval Office You're very glad the woke 0:29:39.620 --> 0:29:41.320 and all the rest of it, right? But he keeps 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.340 saying something that is going to sink Republicans in November. 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.920 This matters because if they lose the Senate, he will 0:29:47.940 --> 0:29:50.380 lose the capacity to get any judges that he wants, 0:29:50.740 --> 0:29:52.940 that he will lose the capacity to replace any members 0:29:52.980 --> 0:29:55.570 of the Cabinet that he wants. If they lose the House, well, 0:29:55.590 --> 0:29:57.710 then guess what? We're back to the whole impeachment game 0:29:58.050 --> 0:30:01.070 for the next two years. But he keeps saying this. 0:30:02.510 --> 0:30:06.030 It's a very inexpensive price to pay for what we've done. 0:30:06.210 --> 0:30:09.810 Remember that. It's a little more. It's even if it was, frankly, 0:30:09.910 --> 0:30:12.330 even if it was a lot more. But that's going 0:30:12.350 --> 0:30:14.210 to come tumbling down. That's going to be like a 0:30:14.290 --> 0:30:21.420 rocket ship in reverse. Like very tepid, tepid, right? That's 0:30:21.500 --> 0:30:22.440 the home crowd. 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:24.940 As for those that are right of centre, that are 0:30:24.980 --> 0:30:27.380 observing things, well, they see what I see. 0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.280 This business with prices is just killing this administration. 0:30:34.900 --> 0:30:37.180 And just in case, and this is the horrible thing 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.360 because the Democrats have chosen a whole bunch of far-left crazies, 0:30:40.940 --> 0:30:43.840 in the same way that inflation was absolute political death 0:30:43.860 --> 0:30:45.780 for the Democrats, it's going to be for the Republicans. 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.380 This is currently Trump's approval rating when it comes to inflation. 0:30:49.810 --> 0:30:53.590 When he was elected, he had positives. He now has 0:30:53.650 --> 0:30:56.450 a 70% disapproval on that subject. 0:30:57.270 --> 0:30:59.250 Wait, watch and see. Lots more of that between now 0:30:59.370 --> 0:31:01.030 and the first week of November. 0:31:01.070 --> 0:31:01.250 Why? 0:31:01.270 --> 0:31:01.950 Because it matters. 0:31:02.350 --> 0:31:05.150 Because you want an American president that we like to 0:31:05.170 --> 0:31:06.710 be able to have a Congress that he can work 0:31:06.770 --> 0:31:09.580 with as opposed to a system that will just shut 0:31:09.630 --> 0:31:11.520 up shop for a whole two years. Imagine what that 0:31:11.580 --> 0:31:12.980 does to the rest of the world. 0:31:13.380 --> 0:31:14.840 Quick break. Back with more. Lots to discuss. 0:31:14.860 --> 0:31:16.660 Who's the winner and loser of the week? Jump out 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.459 to our socials and, yeah, we'll have a little more 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:25.540 fun analysing the greatest... protest in Australian history. Where were 0:31:25.580 --> 0:31:28.570 you on the day that they promised to never serve 0:31:28.630 --> 0:31:30.000 Pauline Hanson in a restaurant? 0:31:30.020 --> 0:31:31.320 Not in a sec. 0:31:34.870 --> 0:31:35.650 Oh, how good's this? 0:31:35.690 --> 0:31:38.030 Lovely to have everyone in the same man cave tonight, 0:31:38.070 --> 0:31:40.130 none other than Linda Scott, labour to her bootstraps, but 0:31:40.170 --> 0:31:42.209 she's free to speak her mind on whatever she wishes. 0:31:42.730 --> 0:31:44.650 And, of course, Lisa Goddard, who's dead down the centre 0:31:44.670 --> 0:31:46.180 of the Dhoni media. Lovely to see you. 0:31:46.190 --> 0:31:46.690 Lovely to see you. 0:31:46.950 --> 0:31:49.600 All right, so did the Greens bell the cat a 0:31:49.620 --> 0:31:53.040 little bit about the reality and scope and dreams of 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.740 the social media changes that are coming? Again, I've copped 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.260 it from both sides all week and I don't care, is. 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:00.620 That the idea of. 0:32:01.370 --> 0:32:04.550 Algorithm versus followers, we can all understand that. The list 0:32:04.590 --> 0:32:06.410 of things that should be banned, again, I read the 0:32:06.470 --> 0:32:09.270 legislation on air. I've got no problem with that. Or 0:32:09.310 --> 0:32:11.450 whatever the minister wants. That's my problem here. 0:32:12.230 --> 0:32:12.620 What do you think? 0:32:13.150 --> 0:32:15.300 Well, I think this is exactly what the Greens don't want. 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.100 They don't want One Nation having a voice and that's 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:19.060 what they want, a silence. 0:32:19.100 --> 0:32:20.820 And you're right, they did bell the cat on this. 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.080 But really, if the algorithm could stop stupidity. 0:32:24.100 --> 0:32:25.060 Sorry. Sorry. 0:32:25.810 --> 0:32:28.930 But if the algorithm could stop stupidity, I think that 0:32:28.970 --> 0:32:30.630 would be a win for us because we wouldn't hear 0:32:30.670 --> 0:32:31.590 the Greens' lunacy. 0:32:31.690 --> 0:32:33.570 Hey, hey, hey, I need that segment of Wiley we're 0:32:33.610 --> 0:32:35.390 working each and every day where the politicians go off 0:32:35.410 --> 0:32:39.460 and make those cringey social media videos. Look, again, you know, 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.050 my dear friend Peter Credlin... makes a great point, and 0:32:42.070 --> 0:32:43.830 it's in one of our promos, right? There's the politics 0:32:43.870 --> 0:32:47.880 and the policy, right? The politics of social media and 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:49.860 cracking down on the evils of big tech, like it's 0:32:49.900 --> 0:32:52.780 going to poll 99%, right? 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.870 The policy, though, matters about how it's going to be 0:32:58.190 --> 0:33:00.490 put on the table. And that's my concern. 0:33:00.550 --> 0:33:02.970 Not the obvious politics, which is lots of people are 0:33:02.990 --> 0:33:04.830 going to be into the idea of save our children, 0:33:04.910 --> 0:33:06.430 even though I thought our kids had already been saved 0:33:06.710 --> 0:33:09.710 by this government. But, Linda, what am I missing here? 0:33:09.730 --> 0:33:12.450 Why does the Minister deserve a list of things that 0:33:12.470 --> 0:33:14.540 everyone agrees with, but then whatever she wants? 0:33:15.140 --> 0:33:18.100 Look, I mean, I don't think anyone takes the Greens seriously. 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.719 including you and I, it's about the only thing we 0:33:20.770 --> 0:33:23.030 agree on. So we can just put that to one 0:33:23.070 --> 0:33:25.970 side and move on. But the digital duty of care 0:33:26.030 --> 0:33:28.770 is an important principle, right? I think it is good 0:33:28.850 --> 0:33:33.000 policy because it is a worry when people are, you know, 0:33:33.260 --> 0:33:36.080 themselves scrolling or seeing their children scrolling through their phones 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.440 and that there is absolutely no obligation on the companies 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.350 that are developing these algorithms to keep people safe, to 0:33:42.410 --> 0:33:46.460 keep them feeling like they're not exposed to dangerous things. 0:33:46.580 --> 0:33:49.740 And I think if you want confidence, Paul, in technology, right, 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:51.900 if you want people to buy phones, if you want 0:33:51.940 --> 0:33:53.740 them to use the internet, if you want them to 0:33:54.100 --> 0:33:57.510 engage in technology that creates productivity, that you can use 0:33:57.570 --> 0:34:00.990 in new and innovative ways, then having a digital duty 0:34:01.010 --> 0:34:03.950 of care is a good thing. So actually I've seen 0:34:04.090 --> 0:34:07.810 lots of people into technology who are really embracing protections. 0:34:08.190 --> 0:34:11.070 You've got the global, you know, founders of AI calling 0:34:11.110 --> 0:34:14.480 for regulation because they know that Only when these kinds 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.729 of businesses are properly regulated and kept safe can they 0:34:19.090 --> 0:34:21.330 make money, can they actually be innovative. 0:34:21.550 --> 0:34:24.530 But, OK, Leigh, sorry, your response and then I've got 0:34:24.830 --> 0:34:27.510 my dead cat on the table. 0:34:28.050 --> 0:34:30.870 No, my point is, though, think of what you like 0:34:30.890 --> 0:34:33.040 about Instagram or Facebook, but they've already put it in 0:34:33.100 --> 0:34:34.900 place now. You have to be over 18 to be 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:39.180 able to access certain apps. Being over 18, otherwise you. 0:34:39.060 --> 0:34:39.560 Have all these. 0:34:40.250 --> 0:34:42.870 restrictions on you about what you can do in terms 0:34:42.910 --> 0:34:45.969 of parental controls, et cetera, there are already safeguards in 0:34:46.010 --> 0:34:49.000 place without the government stepping in and making a decision 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:50.400 about what they think is hazardous. 0:34:50.580 --> 0:34:52.180 Okay, here's the dead cat on the table. Bang. 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.700 The government, thankfully, doesn't have a rule about how much 0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:01.299 booze you can buy. They literally say, okay, they have 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.279 no rule that you can just go to your local 0:35:03.510 --> 0:35:05.870 big box store, fill up the thing and fill yourself 0:35:06.210 --> 0:35:07.790 as much full of booze as possible, right? 0:35:08.790 --> 0:35:11.469 The principle of choice. 0:35:11.590 --> 0:35:14.630 Is fine, that I'll buy into, but the idea of 0:35:15.730 --> 0:35:20.670 the mystery power underneath, that's what's not being engaged with 0:35:20.710 --> 0:35:24.469 here in the conversation, is that I don't trust. 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.529 Particularly this minister, but let's imagine there was a Greens 0:35:28.550 --> 0:35:32.810 government one day. David Shoebridge is the communications minister, or 0:35:32.850 --> 0:35:36.049 you may say One Nation and David Farley. 0:35:35.790 --> 0:35:36.830 Is the communications minister. 0:35:37.110 --> 0:35:40.130 Do you want them to have a power to declare 0:35:40.190 --> 0:35:42.010 something to be harmful? They don't have to go back 0:35:42.050 --> 0:35:44.380 to anyone, don't have to check with anyone. 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.140 It's up to them to decide. 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.740 And as we all know, if it's decided by the Greens, 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.460 and again, can we roll what they said today? Again, 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.259 imagine if the tail becomes the dog. 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.920 Every time you get Pauline Hanson come out and say, well, actually, 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.900 she wants to promote hateful messages against First Nations peoples, 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.660 or you get the Coalition coming out and saying that 0:36:08.700 --> 0:36:11.650 they want to promote genocide denial, I think it points 0:36:11.810 --> 0:36:15.370 out we need digital duty of care so that those 0:36:15.430 --> 0:36:16.870 messages aren't amplified. 0:36:18.850 --> 0:36:20.210 Lindy, can't pretend he didn't say it. 0:36:20.410 --> 0:36:22.930 Can't pretend the Greens' vote isn't necessary to get it passed. 0:36:23.489 --> 0:36:25.090 I can also not agree with the Greens. 0:36:25.860 --> 0:36:26.980 Okay, but do you put a safety. 0:36:27.260 --> 0:36:30.259 So why not just simply remove the minister's capacity to 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.049 invent what she believes, or in this case, he in 0:36:33.090 --> 0:36:34.529 another time, they in another time? 0:36:34.550 --> 0:36:36.670 I mean, to be fair, I think I have acknowledged 0:36:36.710 --> 0:36:39.069 in the past, I don't think it's unreasonable to have 0:36:39.110 --> 0:36:41.580 a stronger set of checks and balances on that. But 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:42.840 it has to be more than one person. 0:36:42.980 --> 0:36:43.219 Correct. 0:36:43.380 --> 0:36:46.580 Yeah, yeah, I think having that separate from an elected 0:36:46.620 --> 0:36:48.980 representative is just good governance. 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:49.280 Correct. 0:36:49.820 --> 0:36:51.920 So I don't personally have an issue with that. 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.069 And that's my issue, right, is that if you want 0:36:54.090 --> 0:36:56.170 to go back to the parliament, get the majority support 0:36:56.190 --> 0:36:58.969 to say that, you know, I don't know, insert is 0:36:59.010 --> 0:36:59.570 the new harm. 0:37:00.550 --> 0:37:03.109 So they took to the streets today, man, and didn't 0:37:03.130 --> 0:37:04.130 they change everything? 0:37:04.590 --> 0:37:07.250 The kids against Pauline Hanson, I don't know about you, 0:37:07.310 --> 0:37:09.629 but they have completely changed my mind. 0:37:09.690 --> 0:37:09.989 Have a look. 0:37:11.580 --> 0:37:16.360 The majority of the country here are either queer, immigrants, 0:37:17.500 --> 0:37:18.839 like all the minorities. 0:37:19.380 --> 0:37:19.939 It's not fair. 0:37:19.980 --> 0:37:23.140 You're trying to single out an entire group of people, 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.870 but then you're basically just trying to get rid of. 0:37:26.830 --> 0:37:27.450 Half the country. 0:37:27.750 --> 0:37:29.989 We've seen how America's going. This is just going to 0:37:30.030 --> 0:37:33.170 happen again. Don't make the same mistakes. 0:37:33.210 --> 0:37:35.670 We care about Australia and we care about rights. 0:37:44.700 --> 0:37:47.020 Pauline Hanson's politics are actually so toxic. 0:37:47.180 --> 0:37:49.090 Like, she's for racism and bigotry. 0:37:49.219 --> 0:37:51.930 I would say Pauline is the Australian version of Trump, 0:37:52.030 --> 0:37:53.430 and I don't think it's fair what she does. 0:37:56.090 --> 0:37:59.010 You must be excited, Linda. I mean, the furries, right, right? 0:37:59.030 --> 0:38:01.730 I love these kids, you know. So many of them 0:38:01.750 --> 0:38:05.930 can't vote and they're out there, they're protesting, they're making 0:38:05.950 --> 0:38:08.149 their views clear because they're not old enough, right? 0:38:08.210 --> 0:38:11.090 They're not old enough. So they can't. 0:38:10.790 --> 0:38:12.290 Take it out in the ballot box. 0:38:12.510 --> 0:38:14.140 I love it. I love it. 0:38:14.430 --> 0:38:18.620 I love debating with my, you know, teenage sons and 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.480 all their friends. I think we had 27 teenagers over 0:38:21.500 --> 0:38:24.800 at my house the other... Love you all, you beautiful 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.880 young people. But they all sit around and debate the issues. 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.840 They watch the news. They read the newspaper. They care 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.830 about the issues. I think that's great. Of course their 0:38:34.110 --> 0:38:37.170 views aren't perfectly formed and, of course, they can't get 0:38:37.210 --> 0:38:40.009 a good grab out on television. Yes, some of them 0:38:40.050 --> 0:38:40.989 are wearing burly masks. 0:38:41.010 --> 0:38:41.790 Take their head off first. 0:38:42.150 --> 0:38:42.969 But you know what? 0:38:43.010 --> 0:38:44.569 Like, good on them. They're young people. 0:38:44.610 --> 0:38:45.210 They're passionate. 0:38:45.430 --> 0:38:47.420 This is what we need. And, Paul Murray, let me 0:38:47.460 --> 0:38:53.570 say this. Pauline Hanson... You know, drove so many people 0:38:53.750 --> 0:38:56.509 of my era 30 years ago when she entered politics 0:38:57.110 --> 0:39:00.310 into progressive politics. And you know what? She's doing the 0:39:00.330 --> 0:39:04.370 same thing. She is helping people understand that if you 0:39:04.410 --> 0:39:07.069 have politicians like this who have far-right views, they are 0:39:07.110 --> 0:39:10.730 dangerous and they get involved in left-wing movements, they join 0:39:10.750 --> 0:39:11.950 the unions and. 0:39:12.010 --> 0:39:14.469 You know... So you're happy because it's a recruiting tool? Well, 0:39:14.930 --> 0:39:16.549 I'm not happy because it's a recruiting tool. 0:39:16.570 --> 0:39:20.920 I'm happy because... 30 years ago when she started in politics, 0:39:21.340 --> 0:39:23.670 a lot of people joined the Labor Party. I don't 0:39:23.690 --> 0:39:26.730 like her. I condemn her politics. But these young kids. 0:39:26.510 --> 0:39:27.480 Good on the kids, hey? 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.080 Strangely, those politics are shaping a lot of what the 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.320 Liberal Party and the Labor Party are now putting forward, 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.839 by the way, especially look at the immigration policy today, but, hey, 0:39:34.860 --> 0:39:35.700 take that off the table. 0:39:36.060 --> 0:39:38.819 Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.009 Get back into the classrooms and learn. I agree with you, Linda, 0:39:42.050 --> 0:39:42.390 on one thing. 0:39:42.410 --> 0:39:43.810 Do it on the weekend. I don't care if they 0:39:43.830 --> 0:39:44.290 do it on the weekend. 0:39:44.310 --> 0:39:45.950 But the one thing that you said that was correct 0:39:45.989 --> 0:39:48.410 is that you sit down and you have an informed debate. 0:39:48.820 --> 0:39:49.100 with. 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:50.140 These teenagers, right? 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.580 They read the news. Goodness knows if any of those 0:39:52.660 --> 0:39:55.040 kids who are out there today have actually read a 0:39:55.100 --> 0:39:58.200 newspaper or watched a bulletin or tried to understand. 0:39:58.219 --> 0:39:59.790 Newspapers? What a boomer of us. 0:39:59.930 --> 0:40:02.410 But, hey, you're right, there were furries there. So I 0:40:02.430 --> 0:40:05.270 think Cory Bernardi and the videos that he did, right? 0:40:05.290 --> 0:40:07.390 So these kids went into this today going, I need 0:40:07.410 --> 0:40:09.669 to protect my identity. I'll make a statement as well, 0:40:09.730 --> 0:40:12.010 so I'll stick on a head to a costume. 0:40:12.170 --> 0:40:16.390 So these glasses, the so-called smart glasses that have got 0:40:16.410 --> 0:40:20.000 a couple of cameras either side, right, plenty of local 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:21.780 councils are coming out and saying, not at the pool, 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:23.520 not at the gym, not at all the rest of it, right? 0:40:23.739 --> 0:40:26.859 Because they can be used for creeping, no question. 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.990 But that's not their exclusive purpose, Linda. Your thoughts? 0:40:31.110 --> 0:40:34.069 Should they be banned for sale or just we have 0:40:34.110 --> 0:40:36.130 to put up signs about where they can't be used? 0:40:36.330 --> 0:40:38.930 Because last time I checked, it's illegal to film in 0:40:39.010 --> 0:40:39.890 any of these places. 0:40:41.330 --> 0:40:45.150 As a mum, I don't want people... filming my kids swimming, 0:40:45.250 --> 0:40:47.110 you know, and I want to be able to go 0:40:47.690 --> 0:40:52.900 for a swim without being filmed, Paul. I think that 0:40:52.940 --> 0:40:56.319 the majority of people wear and use these glasses responsibly, 0:40:56.380 --> 0:41:00.260 but the problem is finding the minority who don't for 0:41:00.700 --> 0:41:04.740 these AI glasses is so difficult. As you say, councils 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.920 can't do it. State governments can't do it. We can't 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.360 expect our police to be doing it. I do think 0:41:10.469 --> 0:41:13.360 they should be banned. I support banning these glasses and 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:15.480 I think it's an important step forward that the federal 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:16.380 government should take. 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:16.860 Lisa? 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.820 I agree with Linda. I think the number of times 0:41:20.860 --> 0:41:23.259 you could walk into a public space and not know, 0:41:23.300 --> 0:41:25.770 if you put those glasses on now, how would I 0:41:25.830 --> 0:41:29.210 know if they are recording? I think it's Queensland and 0:41:29.230 --> 0:41:32.870 the Northern Territory where only one party has to be 0:41:33.230 --> 0:41:36.359 aware that it's being recorded, it's carte blanche everywhere else 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:36.980 in this country. 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:38.960 Look, I am not finding any sort of backdoor way 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.360 for creeping with these glasses. I will just say one 0:41:41.410 --> 0:41:44.310 of the advantages, right, in terms of the use of 0:41:44.350 --> 0:41:46.549 them is if you've got WhatsApp, you know, he can 0:41:46.590 --> 0:41:48.670 do a video call every now and then, right? So 0:41:49.070 --> 0:41:51.130 often I'll be driving in regional areas, I'll put them 0:41:51.210 --> 0:41:53.610 on and then I can show the kids the countryside 0:41:53.630 --> 0:41:56.390 as we're driving, right? But then if I post anything 0:41:56.450 --> 0:41:59.549 online that says shot with metaglasses, the number of my 0:41:59.590 --> 0:42:01.069 friends who go, why do you have those? 0:42:01.090 --> 0:42:01.330 Yeah. 0:42:01.570 --> 0:42:02.250 Get rid of them. 0:42:02.590 --> 0:42:05.410 Don't advertise the creepiness of them. So I'm so glad 0:42:05.450 --> 0:42:06.850 I spent those hundreds of dollars. 0:42:06.870 --> 0:42:07.890 I mean, here is one purpose. 0:42:07.910 --> 0:42:09.810 I can tell you, as a former A Current Affair reporter, 0:42:09.870 --> 0:42:11.549 I can tell you they would have been very, very 0:42:11.610 --> 0:42:14.469 handy when you're doing the undercover special investigation. 0:42:14.489 --> 0:42:16.390 I won't bring them to our Christmas drinks. Thank you. 0:42:16.410 --> 0:42:18.609 But people do think you're creepy if you wear them, 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:19.109 don't they? 0:42:19.140 --> 0:42:19.509 No, no, no. 0:42:20.070 --> 0:42:21.540 I'm sorry to say that, Paul. 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.540 Yeah, I get it. You're not. All right. Thank you, ladies. 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.040 All right, no creeping. I get it. I get it. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.040 Thank you, guys. Do appreciate it. Quick break. Back with more. 0:42:28.060 --> 0:42:30.360 Colin Flynn joins us straight after the break and he's 0:42:30.380 --> 0:42:40.810 talking Oprah next. Colin Flynn is a beautiful face, a 0:42:40.850 --> 0:42:42.589 lovely voice, and he joins us each and every week 0:42:42.610 --> 0:42:44.350 because we want to end with a smile, all right? 0:42:44.370 --> 0:42:46.580 This is my gift to you after having to see 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:47.859 this ugly mug for the whole week. 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:49.220 And he joins us now to talk. 0:42:49.100 --> 0:42:51.400 About, among other things, Oprah Winfrey, brother. 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:52.340 What are we talking about here? 0:42:53.810 --> 0:42:56.489 Paul, you are one of the most, if not the most, 0:42:56.530 --> 0:42:59.810 handsome broadcasters in Australia. Don't fool yourself. You know that, buddy. 0:43:00.150 --> 0:43:05.220 Yeah, on this channel at 9pm. I get it. The caveat. 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.560 Out of all the broadcasters on News 24 right now 0:43:07.620 --> 0:43:09.680 in the hosting chair, you were the most handsome. 0:43:09.700 --> 0:43:12.089 Yeah, I'm in the top three. All right. What's happening 0:43:12.110 --> 0:43:13.390 with Oprah? What's happening with Oprah? 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.200 Yeah, okay, last week when we were talking, I was 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.109 listening to the panel before me, and you were talking 0:43:18.140 --> 0:43:20.850 about government handouts, and you said, look, this isn't Oprah, 0:43:20.890 --> 0:43:24.510 this is the government. And it actually reminded me, because 0:43:24.550 --> 0:43:26.850 I was watching the Oprah podcast the other day, that 0:43:27.370 --> 0:43:31.620 this month, September 2026, she is marking 40 years since 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.540 the first ever national Oprah Winfrey show here in the 0:43:35.580 --> 0:43:36.900 United States, September 1986. 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:36.980 Wow. 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.239 And to tell you how much of a big deal 0:43:40.300 --> 0:43:42.890 this was, Paul, of course, you know, working in broadcasting 0:43:42.930 --> 0:43:46.170 that the Oprah Winfrey show became the most watched television 0:43:46.210 --> 0:43:48.850 show on the face of the planet. Millions of people 0:43:48.890 --> 0:43:52.250 were watching it every single day. It has been broadcast 0:43:52.270 --> 0:43:55.790 in 145 countries across the globe, and she became a 0:43:55.810 --> 0:43:57.290 broadcasting superstar. 0:43:57.730 --> 0:43:58.830 But what makes her story. 0:43:58.870 --> 0:44:01.989 Paul, even more remarkable is, you know, she grew up 0:44:02.430 --> 0:44:06.030 to a single teenage parent in a very poor family 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.640 in rural Mississippi. She came from nothing at a time 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.220 when there were no black broadcasters, really, especially in prime 0:44:13.260 --> 0:44:17.010 time on American television, let alone black women in broadcasting. 0:44:17.550 --> 0:44:19.549 And she was only 17 years of age when she 0:44:19.590 --> 0:44:22.110 joined her local radio station. She was still in high school. 0:44:22.150 --> 0:44:25.300 She was determined, then went to a small local television 0:44:25.580 --> 0:44:28.700 channel reading the news. 1984 is when she got her 0:44:28.739 --> 0:44:32.030 big break. She went to Chicago. Because here in America, traditionally, 0:44:32.050 --> 0:44:34.690 if you want to make it in broadcasting, you start 0:44:34.730 --> 0:44:36.730 small at a local market and then you go to 0:44:36.790 --> 0:44:39.610 one of the big three, New York, Los Angeles or Chicago. 0:44:40.010 --> 0:44:43.169 There was a show there called AM Chicago, The Breakfast Show. 0:44:43.730 --> 0:44:46.390 She went and auditioned with a guy called Brian Swanson. 0:44:46.430 --> 0:44:49.590 He was the media executive and he took a chance 0:44:49.630 --> 0:44:52.310 on her. She took a show that was failing in 0:44:52.330 --> 0:44:52.830 the ratings. 0:44:52.910 --> 0:44:53.610 It was bombing. 0:44:53.730 --> 0:44:55.569 She took it to number one within a few months 0:44:55.730 --> 0:44:59.070 and she became this sensation. But then a few years later, 0:44:59.739 --> 0:45:03.250 Everything changed when she got her national break because the 0:45:03.290 --> 0:45:07.589 show then changed from AM Chicago, 1986, September this month, 0:45:07.989 --> 0:45:10.350 it went to the Oprah Winfrey Show, and it went 0:45:10.410 --> 0:45:12.950 across the United States. Here's a clip, Paul, of her 0:45:13.090 --> 0:45:15.819 introducing that first show 40 years ago. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.460 Hello, everybody. 0:45:28.620 --> 0:45:28.900 Thank you. 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:32.040 I'm Oprah Winfrey, and welcome to the very first national 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:38.509 Oprah Winfrey Show! 0:45:39.130 --> 0:45:41.510 It's just brilliant when you see that clip. Of course, 0:45:41.910 --> 0:45:44.610 as they say, the rest is history. The show snowballed. 0:45:44.770 --> 0:45:46.820 It soon went to number one in the United States 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.720 and then right around the world. Huge moments like in 1993, 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.480 she interviewed Michael Jackson in his Neverland ranch. 90 million 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.840 Americans watched it. She started the book club, her famous show, 0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:00.989 her favorite things. And then of course, that iconic moment 0:46:01.030 --> 0:46:03.770 when she gave 300 people in the audience a car each. 0:46:03.810 --> 0:46:06.510 You get a car and you get a car. In 2010, 0:46:06.510 --> 0:46:09.170 she brought 300 of her audience members to Australia. They 0:46:09.210 --> 0:46:11.710 did a show from the Sydney house. But there was 0:46:11.730 --> 0:46:14.410 a beautiful moment years later when she was really an 0:46:14.489 --> 0:46:18.009 astronomical star. She went back and surprised that very man, 0:46:18.050 --> 0:46:20.510 Brian Swanson, the person who had given her the job. 0:46:20.910 --> 0:46:22.989 She surprised him live in the show. Here's a clip. 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:25.660 How you doing, Dennerue? 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.250 Yeah, I'm doing real good. Not as well as you, 0:46:28.350 --> 0:46:28.950 but real good. 0:46:32.230 --> 0:46:34.830 And I thought, there's no way you're gonna hire a 0:46:34.850 --> 0:46:35.630 black woman. 0:46:35.969 --> 0:46:36.969 There's no way you were. 0:46:36.910 --> 0:46:39.430 Gonna let me do it without a co-host. And I 0:46:39.510 --> 0:46:41.120 sat in that meeting and I said to you, you 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.620 know I'm overweight. And you said, so what? 0:46:44.700 --> 0:46:45.350 So am I. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.080 And I said, and I'm black, you know, and that 0:46:49.100 --> 0:46:50.700 ain't gonna change. And you said, yeah, I know, I'm 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:51.219 looking at you. 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.460 If you can lose weight, so can I. Hey, you 0:46:57.500 --> 0:46:59.280 look good. You look good. 0:47:01.260 --> 0:47:03.739 So many great and beautiful moments. Well, Paul, after 25 0:47:03.739 --> 0:47:06.870 years of that show becoming number one all over the 0:47:06.910 --> 0:47:10.710 world in 2011, she said goodbye to her TV audience. 0:47:10.750 --> 0:47:11.150 Here it is. 0:47:12.390 --> 0:47:16.310 From you, whose names I will never know, I learned 0:47:16.370 --> 0:47:21.670 what love is. You and this show have been the 0:47:21.750 --> 0:47:23.350 great love of my life. 0:47:24.700 --> 0:47:25.609 I won't say goodbye. 0:47:26.650 --> 0:47:32.660 I'll just say, until we meet again, to God be 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:33.080 the glory. 0:47:35.030 --> 0:47:37.270 I always felt for Stedman when she said that. You know, 0:47:38.300 --> 0:47:41.460 the great love of her life was the TV show. But, yeah, 0:47:41.500 --> 0:47:43.759 she has, I mean, she's one of those figures, right? 0:47:43.780 --> 0:47:45.200 Like I've got to say, I was a Jerry Springer 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.820 fella and obviously whenever I had time off school I 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.430 was just loving the madness of that show. But, again, 0:47:52.530 --> 0:47:55.509 people need to remember, if they weren't living it, 40 0:47:55.510 --> 0:47:58.830 years ago she was a revolutionary figure on television because 0:47:58.850 --> 0:48:00.339 people didn't look like her on television. 0:48:01.780 --> 0:48:02.300 Absolutely. 0:48:02.540 --> 0:48:04.900 And what she said there at the end, until we 0:48:04.940 --> 0:48:07.299 talk again, the amazing thing I find about Oprah too, 0:48:07.340 --> 0:48:10.920 from moving from radio to television to syndication, she now 0:48:10.980 --> 0:48:14.020 has a hugely successful podcast that's staying relevant and is 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:17.960 still broadcasting 15 years after saying goodbye to her TV audience. 0:48:18.700 --> 0:48:21.300 So you're right in saying that she broke the mold, 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.239 she paved the way for so many others. And it 0:48:23.300 --> 0:48:25.620 was at a time when the airwaves were dominated by 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.930 those figures that who didn't look or sound like her. And, again, 0:48:28.989 --> 0:48:32.230 coming from Mississippi, rural Mississippi, the odds were stacked against her, 0:48:32.550 --> 0:48:34.390 and look what she achieved and look what she became. 0:48:34.650 --> 0:48:36.489 Good stuff. Colm, thank you so much. I look forward 0:48:36.510 --> 0:48:38.590 to another 40 years of our end to the week. 0:48:38.610 --> 0:48:39.339 You get a car. 0:48:39.570 --> 0:48:40.410 You get a car. 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.640 You get a matchbox. You get a matchbox, but you've 0:48:42.660 --> 0:48:44.790 still got to buy your own. Thank you, mate. Appreciate it. 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.960 That's our show. One more thing before we're done here 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:54.600 on Paul Murray Live. Thank you so much for watching. 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:56.440 All right, let us get to, while you were working, 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.160 the social media videos made by the politicians and the 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.410 staffers that you pay for while you're working. 0:49:01.450 --> 0:49:02.589 First, the Australian Greens. 0:49:04.230 --> 0:49:09.510 Have a wonderful weekend. 0:49:09.610 --> 0:49:13.270 Go Tigers, go Yankees.