WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 15 April

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Charry.

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<v Speaker 2>This time tomorrow night immediate reaction to the next leader's debate.

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<v Speaker 2>We will have experts from inside and outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>house exactly this time tomorrow night. As always, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of fire up about this evening, including of course,

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<v Speaker 2>so count down to the election, and right now we

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<v Speaker 2>are now looking at what is it now? Just one

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<v Speaker 2>more sleep until another election debate, but eighteen days until

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<v Speaker 2>that federal election seven days a week from today the

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<v Speaker 2>very first votes will be cast, and tonight I can

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<v Speaker 2>start to show you the how to vote forms which

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<v Speaker 2>are popping up all over the place. They tell us

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<v Speaker 2>which way the preferences are going to fly on and

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<v Speaker 2>explain why preferences unsurprisingly mean more than ever before. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to be honest in this one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most boring elections any of us have ever lived through.

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<v Speaker 2>Today was a particularly boring day because they are preparing

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<v Speaker 2>their lines, they are rehearsing their zingers, filling their heads

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<v Speaker 2>full of facts, because they're doing debate prep at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant the most exciting thing the Prime Minister said

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<v Speaker 2>today and I just I mean who This is brave stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he defended veggiemite.

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<v Speaker 3>I can confirm here today that I am pro veggiemite,

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<v Speaker 3>and indeed I actually put a lot of veggiemrt on

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<v Speaker 3>my toast when I ate bread, so I love veggiemte.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I did hear the report on that it's rather odd

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<v Speaker 3>that they're letting marmite in, which is rubbish.

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin, shut up, shut up. I've got to just jabber.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that if I jabber, I'll beat the other guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Just say Petter Dutton's four names, four times, make a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to Donald Trump, point at the sign and you're

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<v Speaker 2>winning it seriously. Or this bloke, this bloke, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>more tickets on himself than Taylor Swift sells to a

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<v Speaker 2>concert because he thinks that he is plain sailing his

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<v Speaker 2>way through too. Well, another three years and I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>something to say about that in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Or two is time.

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<v Speaker 2>But no new spending today, But that's okay. He's done

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of spending since January.

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<v Speaker 3>A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty

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<v Speaker 3>seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,

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<v Speaker 3>two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,

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<v Speaker 3>four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point

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<v Speaker 3>four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>three million dollars, ten billion dollars, twenty four million dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>nine million dollars, fifteen million dollars, My goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>As for Peter Dutton, he was out and about today,

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<v Speaker 2>but again they went behind closed doors pretty quickly. Why

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing the debate prep getting ready for tomorrow that

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<v Speaker 2>have happens the hour before us tomorrow night. So no

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<v Speaker 2>matter where you are, you make sure you're here. You

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<v Speaker 2>should always be here anyway, but be here nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night. The best analysis in house ououse in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the people we're talking to, not the quality. Will

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<v Speaker 2>be here tomorrow night straight after the debates, and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure nine o'clock on the dot you are here regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of what's.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the attack from the opposition today, what's going after

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<v Speaker 2>the home ownership scheme and the fine details that unsurprisingly

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<v Speaker 2>the media didn't want to talk about with Labour's policy.

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<v Speaker 4>The Prime Minister is out there promising to build one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand homes for one hundred thousand dollars. It sounds

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<v Speaker 4>like something off one of the ABC skits.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a joke. It's not going to work.

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<v Speaker 4>And as Michael pointed out, the signature housing policy of

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<v Speaker 4>the Albanezi government hasn't built one single home. Australians have

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<v Speaker 4>lost the dream of home ownership under this government.

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<v Speaker 2>Constant message do not let the past few weeks distract

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<v Speaker 2>you from the past few years because the true cost

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<v Speaker 2>of holding onto labor is exactly as it follows. There

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<v Speaker 2>are fifty four thousand people who lost their job last month.

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<v Speaker 2>One point six midion homes are currently in mortgage stress.

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<v Speaker 2>Two out of three people can't afford the rent that

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<v Speaker 2>they are paying. Three million people are on the verge

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<v Speaker 2>of homelessness tonight. Three point seven million households will run

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<v Speaker 2>out of food before the end of this week. A

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<v Speaker 2>football stadium of businesses have gone bust, from the building

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<v Speaker 2>sector to the cafe sector of many others in between,

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<v Speaker 2>not just meaning that the people who took the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of owning those businesses, but the people who work for them,

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<v Speaker 2>all of it goes put. You've had to pay the

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<v Speaker 2>highest supermarket prices ever. You're paying the highest prices ever

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<v Speaker 2>on alcohol, where sixty three percent of a bottle of

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<v Speaker 2>Bundy rum is tax. Smoking taxes mean that people are

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<v Speaker 2>now buying illegal tobacco, and there's a crime wave sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>the country because of that. And don't forget fifty cents

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<v Speaker 2>in every leader of petrol.

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<v Speaker 1>Currently is tax.

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<v Speaker 2>The Opposition plans to cut that in its first year

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty five cents budget deficits.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Five, ten, fifteen, thirty, try out of the twenty sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>That's in a generational report. Not forget one point two

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<v Speaker 2>trillion dollars worth of debt. Now, often I will talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how the media spins things in certain directions, but

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to show you about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>genius tactics that some people in politics are using when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to social media at the moment as their

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<v Speaker 2>way of trying to get the message out, because, of

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<v Speaker 2>course if you simply just make stuff up and there's

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<v Speaker 2>some wild examples of it, or you just put scary

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<v Speaker 2>music over things. We know that the law says politicians,

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<v Speaker 2>well they don't have to tell the truth. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is on social media you can do whatever you want,

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<v Speaker 2>including the bloke who's playing Fortnite. This bloke is of

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<v Speaker 2>course a Greens senator.

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<v Speaker 1>Here he is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'll hit the GRITI five win election.

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<v Speaker 1>How are we going to find out?

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<v Speaker 5>Pological?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for asking.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to make new corporations and billionaires pay their

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<v Speaker 4>fair share of tax.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gone.

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<v Speaker 2>He would like more power in aus Training Parliament, and

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<v Speaker 2>if the Labor Party is in a minority, he will

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<v Speaker 2>definitely have it because they'll have the control downstairs. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's already got it upstairs. Remember Labor can't pass anything

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<v Speaker 2>without the support of the Greens. Meantime, the man who

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that he will be at least the puppet master

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<v Speaker 2>after the election, Adam Bant.

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<v Speaker 1>What's he doing on the internet?

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<v Speaker 6>Chance is coming done?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the appropriate term is, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say it's cringe full.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Qringches In't it another example of the Greens in the

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<v Speaker 2>way that they are elevating the political discourse of Australia

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<v Speaker 2>outside of well the lowest common denominator. Meantime, the questions

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<v Speaker 2>that were asked of the party leaders, including the one

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<v Speaker 2>that will be propped up by Green's preferences no matter

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<v Speaker 2>what happens at this election, unsurprisingly elbow.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, what a barrage of tough things he had to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with today, Prime.

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<v Speaker 7>Minister, have you spoken to Premier Min's about getting the

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<v Speaker 7>rabbit O's Italian Stadium?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Premier mint is very aware of my.

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<v Speaker 2>View considering new step in to help save Marrittfield golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep that eighteen holes?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think that more Park of Fortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>Made eighteen months?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they even trying? They even trying anymore? It's there.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how it works, and you're starting to see

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<v Speaker 2>this by the way you're starting to see people getting

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<v Speaker 2>there one on one interviews with the Prime Minister. This

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<v Speaker 2>is all in exchange for not asking a tough question

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<v Speaker 2>at the press conference, for not rocking the boat, for

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<v Speaker 2>letting the Prime Minister say and do whatever he likes.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, they're keeping counter every time Peter Dutton goes

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<v Speaker 2>to a pedrol station.

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<v Speaker 1>No such thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to the endless lies about Medicare you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are paying attention?

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<v Speaker 1>Many people aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>And the people who are supposed to be paying attention

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<v Speaker 2>on their behalf the ones in this campaign representing us

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<v Speaker 2>in the media. Or they've got a side they like

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<v Speaker 2>and a side they don't, and Peter Dutton is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>the side they don't compare. Have you made a phone

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<v Speaker 2>call to the premiere of New South Wales to get

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<v Speaker 2>your football team back into the ground it used to

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<v Speaker 2>play in with this with.

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<v Speaker 8>The Greens to block Labour's cup and you're only vowing

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<v Speaker 8>to reduce the intake by another thirty thousand? Was it

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<v Speaker 8>really worth kicking the can down the road for another year?

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<v Speaker 9>Can we get some clarity around whether you will be

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<v Speaker 9>helping the kids out with a home deposit?

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<v Speaker 8>I'd Baton has tried to distance himself from your nuclear plan.

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<v Speaker 8>He says you won't have an opinion on it until

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<v Speaker 8>after the federal election.

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<v Speaker 5>Is this a problem?

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<v Speaker 2>I always love when I am naturally asking a question

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<v Speaker 2>that clearly has not been sent by anyone from head

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<v Speaker 2>offers now each way Albow It was just as true

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<v Speaker 2>before the last election, during this entire term of parliament

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<v Speaker 2>and into this election, and whatever the heck is going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen beyond perfect example of each way albow where

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<v Speaker 2>the rules apply differently. To the greatest politician of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>just ask him. He is greater the Matt rush the

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<v Speaker 2>presidents on Matt Rushmore in the United States, the finest

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<v Speaker 2>of labor leaders, right up there with John Curtin defending

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<v Speaker 2>Australia during World War Two. We all remember when Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Dudn't went on with Coylin Jackieoh, and he was asked

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<v Speaker 2>a question by Kyl and Jackio and he answered a

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<v Speaker 2>question by Kyle and Jackie O, would you.

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<v Speaker 1>Live in Kiribilly?

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<v Speaker 4>We would live in Kirabilly. It's a you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>love Sydney, you love the harbor. It's a great city.

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<v Speaker 4>And so yes, that's the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, one of two options of which he's

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<v Speaker 1>legally allowed to do. And he might do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, how did the Prime Minister of the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>the bad actors on social media and the get along

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<v Speaker 2>reporters deal with that? Well, we remember because it went

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<v Speaker 2>on for days and days and days.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair bit of humorous behind that comment. I think measuring

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<v Speaker 3>up the curtains. I don't take Australians for granted.

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<v Speaker 2>But why is the segment called each way Albot Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>Because let's compare Anthony Albigensi being asked a question and

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<v Speaker 2>answering a question on a podcast over on the Nightly

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<v Speaker 2>in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 7>You're telling me if the Nightly brings me up and

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<v Speaker 7>says Latika, will you come out and cover the campaign

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<v Speaker 7>in twenty twenty eight?

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<v Speaker 10>It's you that I'll be shadowing.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm successful on the third of May, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd be very welcome. I look forward and I'll guarantee

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<v Speaker 3>you another podcast during that campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>So a plan to run for a third term?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Anthony Abernezi, who said what he said about Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dunton being asked one of two logical questions. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>live in the paxent taxpayer funded mansion in Canberra or

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<v Speaker 2>the taxpayer funded mansion in Sydney?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? What's his response to.

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<v Speaker 2>Already, assuming he's going to win this election and getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to win the next election.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you cocky or confident ahead of the labor law?

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<v Speaker 3>I take nothing for.

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<v Speaker 2>Granted, except there's absolutely no chance that you would resign

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<v Speaker 2>or there'd be a change of leadership should.

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<v Speaker 1>You win this election. In fact, you'd be in it

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<v Speaker 1>to win it for the third election. Each way, how

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<v Speaker 1>by much anyone ready to call it out?

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<v Speaker 2>Any follow up questions for the people that are watching

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<v Speaker 2>us right now, as your Labor Party might have tucks

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<v Speaker 2>you into a hotel or motel bed somewhere on the

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<v Speaker 2>Alban Easy trail.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, but don't rock the boat. You won't be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get your one on one where you might be able.

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<v Speaker 2>To ask questions like have you spoken to the news

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<v Speaker 2>of OL's premier about whether your favorite football is Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>it's this easy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this easy for him.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One other obsession of the past a few weeks, and

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<v Speaker 2>I told you this months ago, was that if the

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<v Speaker 2>media tried to link the Australian election to the American

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<v Speaker 2>president over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 8>Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 8>President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, US President Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked Peter Darton questions about Donald Trump over and over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again, but those.

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<v Speaker 6>Remarks that you know you'd pledged to make Australia great again,

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<v Speaker 6>is that a message that you think is helpful to

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<v Speaker 6>the coalition At this point in.

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<v Speaker 8>The campaign, there's a risk for a benefit being linked

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<v Speaker 8>to commentary that's linked to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, you said back in February that I'll say this

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<v Speaker 10>about Donald Trump, He's a big thinker and a deal maker.

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<v Speaker 10>He's not become the President of the United States by

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<v Speaker 10>being anything less than a shrewd. Do you stand by

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<v Speaker 10>those comments too much?

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<v Speaker 5>Later?

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<v Speaker 1>If they come in, will you blame Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>Albert used to use terms like build back better, but

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't get brought up right, that does it now?

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<v Speaker 2>I showed you on Sunday night and there's a version

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<v Speaker 2>of that up at sky news dot com. That are

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<v Speaker 2>you and up in our socials as well. Actually going

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<v Speaker 2>back over the nonsense when it came to how the

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<v Speaker 2>media skewered things in and around just internemperginper price. But surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>the talking point becomes a perception and perception potentially reality

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to an election. Because in the Resolve

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<v Speaker 2>poll which came out twenty four hours ago, that yet

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<v Speaker 2>again showed the Labor Party ever so slightly growing to

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<v Speaker 2>back where they were in the election. A couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago and the Liberal Party coming back to pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much where they were at the election three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That Trump was always going to be part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So put simply, the media badgering has actually worn off

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<v Speaker 2>on the Australian people.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because twenty two percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people so they're more likely to vote for Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Ebenezi because of the way that he's been dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. Twenty one percent so that they are less

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<v Speaker 2>likely the uncommitted voters that's the bottom left hand corner.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty four percent less likely, twenty four percent more likely.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a wash, right, what's the story? Pet It

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<v Speaker 2>udn't because thirty three percent of people say that they

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<v Speaker 2>are less likely, fourteen percent more likely, thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>less likely, fifteen percent more likely. If you say it

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over and over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what people start to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>It like they're going to cut medicare, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that on day one of the campaign, we'll match what

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<v Speaker 2>they're spending when it comes to medicare. Oh, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to cut cut medicare and not a reporter says heng On.

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<v Speaker 2>We've stood here for two weeks and you've lied every day,

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times a day for two weeks. No, No, Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister, have you spoken to the new Salon Labor

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<v Speaker 2>premiere about moving the football team that you love back

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<v Speaker 2>to the ground that you prefer to watch them in?

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<v Speaker 2>And I get it, I get it, the carmidates of

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<v Speaker 2>the Karma bus that's coming for me. But you need

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<v Speaker 2>to see how this sausage is made. And it is rotten,

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<v Speaker 2>rotten to the core. Worst election I have ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the overt viewing of the media. Now

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<v Speaker 2>do I have a strong opinion, Hell yeah, But is

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<v Speaker 2>that on the front of the restaurant? Do you not

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<v Speaker 2>know that that is what we do and have for

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years and fifteen to come and fifteen after that?

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<v Speaker 5>And you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I measuring the curtains for the future of this show?

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<v Speaker 1>Bloody oath. We ain't going anywhere. But oh, these are

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<v Speaker 1>the straight reporters.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the ones that laugh about Sky News in

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<v Speaker 2>primetime at press conferences. These are the ones who don't

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<v Speaker 2>follow up Verdick. But of course Trump tump tump, tump, tump,

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<v Speaker 2>tum tump. And again I love this right for one

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<v Speaker 2>of a better term the more trumpy people, including many

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<v Speaker 2>in the Australian media. They're saying he should be more

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<v Speaker 2>like Trump, and the reason he's losing is because he's

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<v Speaker 2>not trumpy enough.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality of the polling that I've told you.

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<v Speaker 2>As a person who's got the hat listens to Steve Bannon,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all in and understand Maga completely. I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump won that last election, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to pretend that the majority of Australians do not

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<v Speaker 2>I view so this idea of just saying he should

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<v Speaker 2>double down, triple down, quadruple down, because it really appeals

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<v Speaker 2>to the people we appeal to.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of Australians we have known since the last

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<v Speaker 2>election didn't like Donald Trump, which is why the Labour

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<v Speaker 2>Party desperately hoped that they would be able to operate

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute quilt of lies under the dark skies of

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and the media, knowing that they wouldn't upset

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<v Speaker 2>the apple cart because you definitely need that one on

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<v Speaker 2>one with the winning Prime minister, right, they wouldn't ask anything,

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't call him out on the lies. Well, what

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<v Speaker 2>a difference a few weeks make. Now, this is no

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<v Speaker 2>breaking news. It's evident to anyone and everyone about what's

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<v Speaker 2>gone up and what's gone down. First column, what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, Second column, what happened just a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago. Final column, what's happening right now? The

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<v Speaker 2>red is down, the Green is up. Most importantly, most

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<v Speaker 2>interestingly to me, one nation close to doubling their vote

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<v Speaker 2>in this poll in February, still above their vote. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you start to put together all of the different

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<v Speaker 2>averages and all of the different polling, when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to one nation, that is one of.

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<v Speaker 1>These stories of the election. And if you vote one.

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<v Speaker 2>Nation, what you do with the number two number will

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<v Speaker 2>be the difference between our by running away with it

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<v Speaker 2>or this thing being so close that there might be

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<v Speaker 2>some surprises happening on election night. And I loved our

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<v Speaker 2>time with Pauline Hanson last night. It was awesome to

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<v Speaker 2>be at Seagulls. I love the Mavericks pub test, which

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<v Speaker 2>should do more of them. I thought she was absolutely sensational,

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<v Speaker 2>as was Matt Canavan and Bob Catter as well. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>just to relive some of Pauline's best moments here they

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<v Speaker 2>were last night in our pub test and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>to everyone who watched and everyone who turned up.

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<v Speaker 9>A lot of these students are being scammed for the

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<v Speaker 9>vote and it's been rooted. So I brought it to

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<v Speaker 9>the tension of my member of Parliament there to actually

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<v Speaker 9>do something. I've spoken about it on the floor of Parliament,

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<v Speaker 9>but nothing's happened yet. We're going to force the issue, Paul.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not right, it's overspending. They can't manage the country.

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<v Speaker 9>They're absolute bloody hopeless. As far as I'm concerned, this

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<v Speaker 9>government needs to go.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a ripper and of all of the different voices

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere else, including you know, these little micro independents all together. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>quite consequential in terms of the number of people that

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<v Speaker 2>they have in Parliament. There is no single figure over

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<v Speaker 2>the past thirty years that has been as resilient or

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<v Speaker 2>as popular as she is right now according to these polls. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>are they about to sweep the Parliament of the whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of members in the Parliament like they did in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen ninety eight queens Own election.

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a chance that they are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to increase the amount of senators they have? Yeah, probably,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can't deny what is happening right now, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that either disaffected liberals or annoyed labor supporters are

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<v Speaker 2>saying bugger this. I'm with Pauline because again, can I

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<v Speaker 2>show you five percent of the twenty twenty two election.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what one nation got.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the current essential poll, that's the one that

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<v Speaker 2>comes out in the Turnbul Times the Guardian What Nation

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<v Speaker 2>support is at nine percent, almost double the Yugov report

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<v Speaker 2>which first showed us the Libs are up at seventy

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<v Speaker 2>something seats. Now it's Labor seventy something seats. But guess

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<v Speaker 2>what doesn't change. Support for paul En Hansen News Poll

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<v Speaker 2>up three points on where they were at the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Resolve and Morgan a little more skeptical that there's been

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<v Speaker 2>any significant growth, but one thing is obvious. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a rise in the one nation vote, which means just

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<v Speaker 2>as important as it was in twenty nineteen. If you

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<v Speaker 2>are going to vote for something other than a major party,

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<v Speaker 2>what you do with the number two matters. It really matters,

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<v Speaker 2>because yes, your vote can go off on a long journey,

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<v Speaker 2>a long magical journey of other micro parties or independence

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<v Speaker 2>with no chance, and then eventually picking between the lesser

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<v Speaker 2>of two evils, or you can make an absolute statement

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<v Speaker 2>about who you want to vote for fe first in

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<v Speaker 2>the lower House, then in my view, you should pick

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<v Speaker 2>an you think the government should be with your second.

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<v Speaker 1>But where you can also have that maximum.

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<v Speaker 2>Power for things like One Nation is number one in

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate because one of the reasons why a party

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<v Speaker 2>like One Nation is running in every single seat everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>is not just about their ability to play a major

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<v Speaker 2>role and give you an option outside of traditional political

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<v Speaker 2>parties at this election in the lower House, it means

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<v Speaker 2>that they are able to collect statewide votes for those

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<v Speaker 2>Senate spots. So Malcolm Roberts is the one up in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that Lee Hanson, Pauline's daughter, is a massive

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<v Speaker 2>shot of the last place in the Senate race in Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember smaller population but still the same number of senators.

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<v Speaker 2>It means you don't need as many people to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>you still need a significant percentage. The same of course,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to South Australia, where already there is

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<v Speaker 2>a one Nation Upper House MP Western Australia as well,

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<v Speaker 2>which it has had One Nation members and by the

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<v Speaker 2>state and federal parliament before so preferences matter. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to say this a lot over the next few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>because it's game time. It is now the time not

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<v Speaker 2>just for deciding, but for you to own your vote,

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<v Speaker 2>to not just say bugger them all and then spend

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<v Speaker 2>the next three years rolling your rise and complaining about

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<v Speaker 2>the government that we get.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point you have to choose Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Your first preference is I would like insert party to

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<v Speaker 2>be the next government of Australia. If that doesn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>which of the two that are more likely to get

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<v Speaker 2>the most number of seats, Which of those two do

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<v Speaker 2>you believe is headed in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the wrong direction?

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<v Speaker 2>Majority of polls, majority of demographics in the country, seat

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<v Speaker 2>in the wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 1>What you do with that preference is the king maker,

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<v Speaker 1>the queen maker, the they maker to be very politically correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And today in Victoria we started to see what is

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen when it comes to the how to

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<v Speaker 2>vote cards. Now Labor has not published theirs, even though

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<v Speaker 2>votes of course they start seven days from now, but

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<v Speaker 2>we did see what both the Liberal Party and One

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<v Speaker 2>Nation are going to be doing when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>their preferences. So in a scenario where the primary vote

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<v Speaker 2>of the Liberal Party has gone from having a four

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<v Speaker 2>in front of it, which means it would most likely

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<v Speaker 2>win a conventional election, to now falling back to in

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<v Speaker 2>and around where they were three years ago, the preferences

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<v Speaker 2>of one nation which did go their way along with

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<v Speaker 2>the UAP and others in twenty nineteen save Scott Morrison's

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<v Speaker 2>backside when they deserted them. You've got Albo in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. What will you do in twenty and twenty five? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the how to votes which are starting to pop up

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<v Speaker 2>now via the Victorian candidates. This is the Liberals Emelia Hammer,

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<v Speaker 2>who we hope he is able to knock off doctor Ryan,

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<v Speaker 2>who by the way, took three days to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with a proposal when it comes to paid influences. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the bloke who's running in the seat of

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<v Speaker 2>Aston which the Liberal Party previously held then they lost

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<v Speaker 2>today by election. But as you can see on both

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<v Speaker 2>of those who got the green paper, they mentioned only

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party by name, everyone else only by name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit cute.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there is the Senate voting that is underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe very late tonight there's been something out of

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>New South Wales. But let's just focus here on Victoria

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.880
<v Speaker 2>because I've got to say I find it curious where

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party is placing some of its preferences here,

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.880
<v Speaker 2>because while there are lots of smaller parties that will

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>have pockets of support somewhere else, the only one that

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 2>is currently pulling it almost double what they did to

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the last election, almost breaking into double digit figures, is

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>One Nation. But let's have a look here the Liberal

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Party preferences in the Senate in Victoria. They want you,

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and remember they go above the line who you've only

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>got to vote one, two, three, four, five six, Okay,

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.879
<v Speaker 2>below the line every single person who is on the

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 2>ballot paper. Yes, I'm one of those supernerds. Yes it

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 2>takes some time, but jis I enjoy putting certain people

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty sixth absolutely obviously Liberals first, then

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 2>family first, then libertarian then One Nation now libertarians. Of course,

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the former Liberal Democrats. They have representation with David Limbrick

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>in the Upper House in Victoria, so they are not

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 2>without representation. Family first, a little more culturally focused when

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the right wing. Maybe that's the logic,

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 2>and then you get into one Nation, Sustainable Australia and

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.680
<v Speaker 2>the Australian Democrats. Now, of course Liberal Party preferences are

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 2>only going to trickle down to people who have not

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 2>already been knocked out of the race. So maybe the

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 2>theory here, and remember all of this is in return, right,

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 2>we put you higher, you give us what you have.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe.

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>One percent of people vote family first, They're not going

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>to get a Senate seat, but the preferences get added

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 2>as one full point maybe back onto the Libs. The

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Libertarians probably will do much better, certainly in certain areas,

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 2>much better than Family First, and then one Nation is

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:16.680
<v Speaker 2>going to do a lot better than all of those.

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.639
<v Speaker 2>But I would have thought at an election where currently

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.400
<v Speaker 2>the Poles say that one nation is running as well

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:23.919
<v Speaker 2>as it is, that it should be as high as

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<v Speaker 2>possible on its ticket, and vice versa. Now, I know

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>there'll be some lefty Liberals who don't like it, the

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.399
<v Speaker 2>press gallery won't like it, the Prime Minister won't like it.

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>But guess what, Almost ten percent of Australia currently is

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 2>saying that they are willing and wanting to vote for

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 2>one nation. Why would you not try to harness those

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>people as high and as fast as possible. Now we

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard from many of the other smaller parties, but

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 2>One Nation and what they are doing in Victoria. And remember,

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>yes Victoria is different than Queensland, different than other places

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>around the country. But this is how the preferences are

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 2>starting to flow back and forth. One nation first, then

0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 2>family first, then libertarians see the pattern. It then breaks

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 2>for shooters, fishes and farmers, the trumpet of patriots and

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>then at number six the Liberal Nationals. So the Liberals

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 2>are being a little bit they're holding their preference back

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 2>one Nation, really holding their preference back when it comes

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>to the Senate, the theory being that name might be

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.959
<v Speaker 2>able to get somebody else elected after a one nation senator,

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and then if they had to pick any after that,

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 2>then it'd be the Liberals. But before people start winging

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 2>about what to one Nation is doing, what are the

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Liberals doing? They're putting them not second, not third, but

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 2>they've decided to put them forth. And let's have a

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>look at the how to vote card in the seat

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 2>of Aston Now again, this is one that at the

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>federal election last time the Liberal Party was able to

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>hold on. Then it's MP bolted at a pretty bad time.

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 1>For the party.

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>But let's have a look when Paul Enhanson, Liberal Democrats

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.159
<v Speaker 2>and United Australian Party are on the ballot. That is

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 2>what three to nine eleven percent eleven percent that was

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>out there when it came to pre diferences. That's why

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party was able to go from a primary

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>vote of forty three percent on top of the Labour

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Parties thirty two percent, the Greens twelve percent before you're

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 2>able to get to United Australian Party, Paul and Hanson,

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Liberal Democrats between them eleven points at eleven points to

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>forty three points.

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Guess what happens?

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>The Liberal Party wins when Paul and Hanson, the Liberal

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Democrats and the United Australian Party or trumpet Patriots as

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>we be called now, did not turn up to assist

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>when it came to preferences at the by election.

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Guess what happened.

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Forty three percent becomes forty percent for the Sorry, thirty

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 2>two percent becomes forty percent for the Labor Party, forty

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>three percent becomes thirty nine percent, and then the Independent,

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Fusion and Greens give all of their preferences, meaning the

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Labor Party wins the seat.

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 1>That's what happened.

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 2>So this vote of minor parties matter, This vote of

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 2>preferences really matters.

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>It is the difference to winning and losing.

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And in the same way that there is no Labor

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>party without Green's preferences, there is no successful liberal party

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 2>without the preferences of one Nation, libertarian, trumpeter, patriots. Now

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 2>we know that Clive Palmer, when it comes to his advertising,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>has made it very clear it's bugger them all. He's

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>running the same message that he was in twenty twenty two.

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 2>We know what happened to the liberals and those preferences

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>at that election. One nation polling higher than it did

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, but a much stronger message of

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>saying buger elbow. That's why I'm focusing in great detail tonight,

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>because this is the game. You pay attention to the detail.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I do too, and you can see the games that

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 2>people are playing. The liberal preferences in the seat of aston.

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Remember without UAP or trumpets as it's called now, without

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 2>one nation, without the libertarians, they lose the seat. What

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>are they doing with their preferences? Liberal first, then family first,

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>then libertarian, then a local independent, then one nation. Seriously,

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>this is the I'm talking about the organist wing of

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party, not petty doudn't the organ How the

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>heck would you put one nation that low down when

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>you need its votes to win that seat. Honestly, as

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>for one nation in return, what are they doing the Libertarians,

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>then the trumpet of patriots, then family.

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>First, then the Liberals.

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>If the Liberals do not win the seat of Aston,

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>those how to vote forms will be one of, if

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 2>not the reason why it happened. Because when the government

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>was when the Liberal Party was losing office in twenty

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, it was able to hold onto that seat.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Why because of.

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Those preferences eleven percent of them. When it was a

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>by election and they were there, the seat was lost.

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 2>And now at the first opportunity to win the seat back,

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>they failed to do the deal that will actually save

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 2>their backside. You cannot help people who will not help themselves.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>That said, I am not suggesting give up. I am

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 2>not suggesting that the Labor Party victory is inevitable. I

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>am not suggesting that we should not be meeting here

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 2>each and every night to fire up going to pretend

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 2>that that's not what hundreds thousands of people are going

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>to get in the elector who are not paying attention

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>as strongly as we are. James Ashby is inside the

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>One Nation machine. I'll talk to him about some of

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the decisions here. I don't know that they're different in

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 2>different states, but I'm curious to see if anything he

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>might be able to tell us about how that preference

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 2>sausage is made. Now, away from politics, we are coming

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>back to Western Australia for our town. We'll be doing

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>so in just a couple of weeks time. Not this Sunday,

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>which is east of Sunday. It is the Sunday after that,

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the final Sunday in April, and we're going to a

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>ripper of a joint. I've never been here in my life.

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I've dreamt of going. It's the home of Kevin Bloody

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Wilson Mining. I know that just up the road there's

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the Nullaboorn Muster that's going to be taking place out

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>back Truckers, Ossie gold Hunters.

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>This is Super Australia, caw Goooley. Not this next Sunday.

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Can you get there? Our town at skynews dot com

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>dot au. Ourtown at skynews dot com dot Au.

0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I want as many people watching the show right now

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>to join us, the people who are willing to fly

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>up from Perth.

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>You do it.

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>You want to come across from Adelaide, come down from Darwin,

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>start walking now from Sydney, not this next Sunday, our

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>town Cowgooley, Western Australia. It's going to be one of

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the best we've ever done. I just know it feeling

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>in my bones. It's going to be a massive show.

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Be there in person, otherwise we'll see you on the

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.239
<v Speaker 2>other side of the telly in a moment of two's time.

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Ple need to fire up about We'll get to that

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>in a moment here on Paul Murray life. Always looking

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 2>forward to a chat with these two lovely Linda Scott

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>of course is here labor of the brute straps, despite

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the fact.

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>You're sitting a slight green message. All preferences have begun.

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Preferences have begun.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>And James Ashby, of course, he was there in Seagulls

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>last night doing his bit.

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>For One Nation. Where are you tonight? Made you damp

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>back down in Hobart.

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, mate, back down in Hobart right by me is

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 7>the casino there? And Paulie enough to wind me up

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 7>if you want my hands out of my pockets tonight.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>All right, Linda, feel free to just just go that

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>five seconds longer and I reckon they'll come out and

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>start firing up. All right now, James, I'm going to

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>spend some time not to buter you up, but to

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about what is happening right now, which is regardless

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of what is apparently happening to the Liberal Party, one

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 2>nation has remained very steady growing depend on your poll

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and I know that you know you want to be

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>a political realist, so you say, oh, look, if we

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 2>can do what we did last.

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Time, that's great.

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 2>But a couple of Poles say one point, couple of

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Poles say two points, couple of Poles say almost a

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>doubling in your vote.

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>This is pretty extraordinary. Do you see it? What's an

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>example of it? Have you seen an.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Increase in members, donations, candidates? How do you see it

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 2>as different than last time?

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 5>Well, all of the above. We do have more members

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 5>on board.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 7>We are getting better donations from mum and dad people, though, Paul,

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 7>we're not reliant on those big corporate donations like the

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 7>major parties, But I think one are the big driving

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 7>factors at this election. Why people have been driven We

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 7>know that the major parties are on the nose. But two,

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 7>I think we put out a policy suite in February,

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 7>so we've actually given people time to digest the plans

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 7>that we put forward. You know, it's so easy for

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 7>a lot of these other minor parties to winge and

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 7>say the other guys.

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 5>Are doing a bad job.

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 7>But unless you've got solutions for the country, what's the

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 7>point inviting for another minor party. So that's why we

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 7>put a suite out of policies in February, so that people,

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 7>as I say it, can digest them, pick them apart.

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 7>I don't care the media haven't haven't had one negative

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 7>thing to say about one nation's policies. The other point

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 7>I'll add to this two point, all those computer geeks

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 7>back at headquarters there are able to dissect the detail

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 7>of how many people are actually visiting our website and

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 7>it is double what most of the two major parties

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 7>are getting.

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 5>So these interests people are taking the time.

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 7>So for those parties that don't have a website with

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 7>their policies listed on it, well maybe you should do it.

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 5>And I'll know this Labor and the liberal party.

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 7>Neither of them put their policies online until they've started

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 7>rolling them out only since the election campaign started.

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good point, Linda.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>We'll get into the preference game in a second with James,

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>because this is so important, it's so statistically relevant, it

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>matters in terms of the results here. Why do you

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 2>think One Nation, according to some poles, is almost double

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 2>where it was three years ago.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 8>Well, look, I think election after election in Australia, we've

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 8>seen votes moving to minor parties. Obviously that's spreading pretty widely.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 8>So we're seeing you know, people voting for the Teals,

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 8>for the Greens, for One Nation, splitting off to the

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.919
<v Speaker 8>left and the right of the political spectrum. But Paul,

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 8>I think voters are thinking differently this election. I mean

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 8>I spoke to a voter on the weekend. I was

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 8>door knocking in Sydney and she told me she'd been

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 8>a lifelong Liberal voter, but this election she was voting

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 8>Green and then preferencing Liberal. So you know, I think

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 8>people are looking around and trying to understand how they're

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 8>vote is going to be best placed. But the reality

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 8>is this actually for both the Greens and One Nation.

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 8>The Greens leader tonight again on the ABC, has confirmed

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 8>that he will never vote for Peter Dutton as leader,

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 8>and James has repeatedly On Your Show, Paul admitted that

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 8>One Nation will never last night, it's a risk, it's

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 8>a risk, it's a risk to vote for these minor parties.

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 8>Australia needs a government that is stable in unstable times.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 8>It's a risk to vote for these minor parties when

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 8>in reality Australia does need a stable government in unstable times.

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 8>And if you're going to place your vote with one

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 8>Nation and then they're going to vote for Peter Dutton anyway,

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 8>you have to ask what's the point. Why would you

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.240
<v Speaker 8>risk your vote when you could place it with Labor

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 8>and form a stable government for Australia.

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 5>James, He's the thing.

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 7>We've been in a position where we've held that balance

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 7>of power, or at least shared balance of power in

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 7>the past Lender and never once where we relied upon

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 7>by the coalition.

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 5>At that stage.

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 7>Now we went through a phase where we had Malcolm

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 7>turbul and then we had Scott Morrison. Never ever, ever

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 7>did they ever imagine they could rely on our vote.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 7>We turn them down on a number of issues when

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 7>they were so passionate get to get legislation passed through.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 7>So we look at legislation based on its merits and

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 7>that is something that the Australian public realized. You know,

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 7>that's not an easy feat to be able to turn

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.399
<v Speaker 7>down a coalition piece of legislation. But once we didn't

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 7>agree with we amended in order to help them pass

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 7>it if we didn't agree with it in its entirety.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 7>There was some shocking legislation that was passed. But I'll

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 7>tell you what, nothing worse than labor legislation. And we

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 7>have had to turn down support for most labor legislation,

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 7>not because we're anti labor, because it's bloody terrible legislation.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 7>And that's the point to it constantly going through when

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 7>a coalition or conservative government come in fixing poor legislation

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 7>that was drafted by your mob and just waved through.

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 5>By the Greens and other left groups like Jackie Lamby.

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to give a preview to tomorrow night's debate again,

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 2>full analysis and first analysis will be here at nine

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>o'clock astraight in Eastern time. Make sure, regardless of what's

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>happening in the dying seconds of the debate. You are

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>here for the hot takes, lots of people talking about it,

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 2>but James, just quickly and again I've only got a

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 2>couple of minutes. But still the preference decisions, right, am

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I right in suggesting here that essentially one nation, Libertarian

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>family first, maybe Christians, maybe Trumpets, you all swap it

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 2>amongst yourselves before you start to throw it towards a

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 2>major party. In reverse, the Libs are making you wait

0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>till fourth in some places before you get a preference.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Who's the one playing the dangerous game here?

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.320
<v Speaker 7>Well, I look to their credit in some states that

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.800
<v Speaker 7>the Liberals have put us second, like in Queensland for example,

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 7>which we appreciate. And I think I haven't seen how

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 7>to vote card, but I heard a whisper that they

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 7>may have done it in Tasmania too, which is a

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 7>good sign. They obviously see merrit in, Leigh Hanson, who's

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 7>running down here, Pauline's daughter and Tazzy for the Senate.

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 7>But look, we've had now almost nine years in that parliament.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 7>We've been able to see which minor parties are willing

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 7>to work with us, knock on our door, come and

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 7>have discussions. You know, there's so much similarity, and a

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 7>lot of these minor parties, a lot of them just

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 7>can't get their act together and they can't get the

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 7>money together to run in every seat like we have.

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 7>So that's why over nine years we've been able to say, well, look,

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 7>you know, Family First are a decent mob. We've been

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 7>able to say that, you know, the Libertarians are equally

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 7>good and if we aren't strong enough to get a

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 7>seat in our own right, we'd rather one of them.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 7>But I'll tell you this, Paul, lasts or the last

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.280
<v Speaker 7>couple of elections, we've never really put a major party

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 7>on our how to vote cards for the Senate. This time,

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 7>it's so important to get it right because we need

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 7>to change the balance in the Senate and that is

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 7>why we don't want our votes to exhaust.

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 5>And the Liberal or Liberal National Party have gone at six.

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 7>So your votes in the Senate for one nation, and

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 7>if you follow our how to vote card, they won't

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 7>be wasted. You will go to another conservative party even

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.720
<v Speaker 7>if it does end up with the Liberals, because honestly,

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 7>it's going to be distraates for this country if we

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 7>end up with Labor and the Greens controlling both the

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 7>lower House and the Senate.

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just thinking that the Western Australian Liberal Party

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>goes themselves first National, second, one Nation third.

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to work on the Tasmanian one as we speak.

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 1>But let's turn two. All of this matters again. All

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>of this mats matters.

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.399
<v Speaker 2>All of this details matters, and we're trying to unpack

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>it for you before somebody else writes an article somewhere

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>does There's been Holst Teddy in the numbers and some

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.720
<v Speaker 2>of the participants as well. All Right, this debate tomorrow night, Linda.

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>If it's a draw, it's a win for Anthony Uberneasy.

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Why because he's currently in front. That said, if the

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>most important thing he said to day was that he

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>backs Veedgi, might is he just put the qu in

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the rack a little bit too early.

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 8>Look, i think it's really important that people watch these

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 8>debates like they did with the Sky News one. I know,

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 8>you know, it rated really well and I think it's

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 8>the first time many Australians have engaged to be honest

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 8>with Peter Dutton and actually considered him to be an

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 8>alternative prime minister. And the more they look, the more

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 8>they see the false promise that nuclear power is, that

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 8>he still won't put a cost on it, that he

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 8>still is unable to account for its danger, that labor

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 8>has a real plan, that he has that that Anthony

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 8>Abnez he has a real plan to relieve people's cost

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 8>of living with practical measures, tax cuts in the budget,

0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:44.879
<v Speaker 8>practical measures like help for free taste childcare, the things

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 8>that actually matter to normal Australians, James, unlike your group,

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 8>which of course the majority of the Australians don't support

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 8>cost of living naked taxes and efferent people's lives.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.400
<v Speaker 7>For the kind of debate old tax, we'll see you

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 7>tax fuel tax and you'll do it eighteen times in

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 7>the next term of Parliament, the same way you've done

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 7>eighteen increases through excise tax to every Australian. You haven't

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.839
<v Speaker 7>made their lives any better. And your pitdly little five

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 7>bucks will go nowhere when another eighteen of those taxes.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 7>Think single early.

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 8>But that's a lot of money for many Australians in

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 8>their pockets.

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.720
<v Speaker 5>Do you know what I did today? Five bucks?

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 7>Five five bucks got me a trolley to lug my

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 7>luggage around at the at the airport today.

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 5>It buys you nothing correct.

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I just double checked the Tasmanian preferences.

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.799
<v Speaker 2>You are right, unsurprisingly, James on this at Liberals first,

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>one Nation two, which is I want to.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 8>Say, paul this really is breaking news. This is massive news.

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>What's breaking news.

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 6>What's the first time we've.

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 8>Seen since the existence of One Nation in Australia when

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 8>they launched onto the scene with Pauline Hanson as the

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 8>party of racism. This is the first time we've seen

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 8>a major party doing.

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>A preference deal with the party that's rating.

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 8>Racist party like John Howard did. The honorable thing in

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 8>the Green.

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 5>Is what happened, and that is what Peter.

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 8>I'm so sorry, James, but you have dramatically at minorities

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 8>in this country and when you look in.

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 7>And you are balancing them above anybody else, the greatest

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 7>racists are the Greens, followed by the divisive Labor Party.

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, those are the preferences. They're starting to

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 2>come in. We'll know more about them tomorrow. Thank you, Linda,

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you James. We'll resume the pleasantries this.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Time next week. So he's got his hands out of

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 1>his pocket. So it was a good chat, all right.

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Quick break back with more Angus Taylor shadow treasure for

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.439
<v Speaker 2>the Libs, and I'll check out some more of these

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.879
<v Speaker 2>preferences as they are unfolding before our eyes. Thank you, Linda,

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 2>breaking years. That'll make the Primo season. Thank you so

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>much for watching every single night. I show you the

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:16.280
<v Speaker 2>list the true cost of holding onto the Labor Party.

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.800
<v Speaker 2>In fact, if we can show it again all right, Like,

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>more than fifty thousand people lost their job in the

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>last month according to Australian Bureau Statistics. That's a football

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 2>stadium pople lost their jobs gone. How many people in

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 2>housing stress one in six, one in three can't pay

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 2>their rent right now. There's three million people that are

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 2>this close to homelessness, three point seven million that will

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:44.280
<v Speaker 2>run out of food, thirty thousand businesses that have gone bust,

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the high supermarket prices you've ever had to pay because

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>of the taxes, the taxes on alcohol, smoking at petrol

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 2>forget ten years of budget deficits. The Intergeneration Report says

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 2>budget deficits for the next forty years.

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.280
<v Speaker 1>And one point two tree million dollars stead. Angus Taylor

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>is the shadow treasurer.

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 2>He's the man who will be trying to fix this

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 2>mess should there be a change of governent in just

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks time. And I had the chance

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>to talk to him from Perth a little bit earlier.

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 2>We began by talking about how Labour says they feel

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>your pain, but they're also the cause of your pain.

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Paul.

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 11>Even worse than that, they pat themselves on the back

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 11>and they tell themselves that it's all getting better, and

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:24.839
<v Speaker 11>it's not. We've sent the biggest collapse in our living

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 11>standards in history, bigger than any peer country around the world.

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 11>Young Australians are losing hope of owning a home, losing

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 11>hope of starting a business, and of course, as you

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 11>rightly said, we've got budget deficits as far as the

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.240
<v Speaker 11>eye can see. We're heading towards one point two trillion

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 11>dollars of debt, one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 11>of debt and interest payments by the end of the

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 11>next term of labor. And they will not restore our

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 11>standard of living back to where it was when we

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 11>were last in power until twenty thirty or beyond. That's

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 11>on the Reserve Bank's own numbers. So this is disaster

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 11>and it's why disastros, it's why we have to beat

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 11>inflation by cutting waste and slashing red tape. It's while

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 11>we've got a boost growth by backing small business and

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 11>getting investment going again. And fix energy and housing, Paul,

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 11>and these are essential imperatives and just over the weekend

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 11>we are now it's an important step towards fixing housing.

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 11>On top of getting more supply into the market by

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:24.919
<v Speaker 11>busting infrastructure bottlenecks, we'll also make it easier for young

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 11>homeowners to get into our home ownership for the first time.

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.440
<v Speaker 11>This is restoring the Australian dream. We must do that

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 11>because it's so central to what it is to be Australian.

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 11>And that'll allow them to deduct the interest payments on

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 11>their mortgage up to twelve thousand dollars. We'd expect a

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 11>young first homeowner to gain in terms of being able

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 11>to buy a home. And this is new homes only,

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 11>so it'll get more supply into the market and this

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 11>is incredibly important.

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>We need new supply. We also need affordability.

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about this compared to what Labour's offered now

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to go and this is many of their

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 2>economic policies, and certainly the way that they're running their election,

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 2>which is if they can put a nice title on something,

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:08.240
<v Speaker 2>forget the detail, forget the asterisks, forget the footnotes, forget

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<v Speaker 2>the delays. As long as there's a little sticker that

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<v Speaker 2>they can put on something, then they can shove it

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<v Speaker 2>into an ad give us an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, clearly you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Focusing on helping people when it comes to the repayments.

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<v Speaker 2>They're focusing when it comes to the deposit. Your answer

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<v Speaker 2>to the deposit is access to super and of course

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to that time in their life to

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<v Speaker 2>sell the house, well, you most likely have plenty more

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<v Speaker 2>money than you took out of your super, however many

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<v Speaker 2>years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's talk about the detail of labors.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the fine print that's missing in their deposit based

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<v Speaker 2>attempts to win this issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not going to be enough. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day.

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<v Speaker 11>Young homeowners are not going to be able to get

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<v Speaker 11>into the market through just paying less on the deposit.

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<v Speaker 11>They've also got to be able to service the loan

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<v Speaker 11>and there's got to be new houses coming onto the

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<v Speaker 11>market to make that possible. And that's why we've put

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<v Speaker 11>aside the five billion dollar housing infrastructure Fund, Paul. And

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<v Speaker 11>it's also why we're making interest payments tax deductible for

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<v Speaker 11>first home owners for new houses. But the other part

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<v Speaker 11>I'd make about Labor's policy is this they're spending now

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<v Speaker 11>forty two billion dollars and that program, which has been

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<v Speaker 11>in place, their programs have been in place since soon

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<v Speaker 11>after coming into government, has not delivered a single house yet.

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<v Speaker 11>That the Treasurer last night when I was debating him,

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<v Speaker 11>confirmed that we have not got a single family living in.

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<v Speaker 10>One of these houses.

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<v Speaker 11>Their policies have absolutely failed. Right at the heart of

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<v Speaker 11>the policies is that government will own part of the house,

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<v Speaker 11>that there'll be an owner of the house. I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>this is a ridiculous idea. It's not working, it's not

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<v Speaker 11>delivering more houses. And at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 11>we see the Australian dream evaporating in front of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if Labour ends up.

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<v Speaker 2>In a scenario where it is returned in minority or

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<v Speaker 2>frankly even in jority government, the Greens are necessary either

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<v Speaker 2>to get them over the line downstairs or'll get anything

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<v Speaker 2>passed upstairs. There's claims in the Press today that you've

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<v Speaker 2>got some modeling what sixty billion dollars worth of extra

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<v Speaker 2>taxes get dropped on us if the Greens end up

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<v Speaker 2>as the puppet masters, which they already are.

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<v Speaker 11>Actually it's closer to two hundred billion. And Nick McKinnon

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<v Speaker 11>confirmed that this morning. Again I was with him, debating

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<v Speaker 11>him and he confirmed this two hundred billion. Now let's

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<v Speaker 11>go through what it is capital gains tax on the

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<v Speaker 11>family home, getting ready of negative gearing, going after family

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<v Speaker 11>businesses with extra taxes and going after your superannuation. They're

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<v Speaker 11>going to reduce the threshold on the tax that label

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<v Speaker 11>already wants to bring in to tax unrealized capital gains,

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<v Speaker 11>and to increase the taxes on superannuation. But the Greens

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<v Speaker 11>want to go further and in total, we calculate that

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<v Speaker 11>to be about two hundred and fifteen billion dollars of taxes.

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<v Speaker 11>Nickim not disputing that this is a huge attack on

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<v Speaker 11>Australian's hardened wealth, their homes, their investments, their superannuation. This

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<v Speaker 11>is what Labour's coming after and if they get into

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<v Speaker 11>coalition with the Greens, because they'll have no choice, this

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<v Speaker 11>is what the Greens are going to be asking for

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<v Speaker 11>Paul and the most dangerous thing we could have is

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<v Speaker 11>a green labor coalition. I think it's a very real

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<v Speaker 11>prospect if we're not able to win with a majority,

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<v Speaker 11>and we should all be deeply concerned about that prospect.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Taylor is the Shadow treasure right now. A reminder

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