Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank
Speaker 1: you Charry.
Speaker 2: This time tomorrow night immediate reaction to the next leader's debate.
Speaker 2: We will have experts from inside and outside of the
Speaker 2: house exactly this time tomorrow night. As always, we've got
Speaker 2: plenty of fire up about this evening, including of course,
Speaker 2: so count down to the election, and right now we
Speaker 2: are now looking at what is it now? Just one
Speaker 2: more sleep until another election debate, but eighteen days until
Speaker 2: that federal election seven days a week from today the
Speaker 2: very first votes will be cast, and tonight I can
Speaker 2: start to show you the how to vote forms which
Speaker 2: are popping up all over the place. They tell us
Speaker 2: which way the preferences are going to fly on and
Speaker 2: explain why preferences unsurprisingly mean more than ever before. Now
Speaker 2: I've got to be honest in this one of the
Speaker 2: most boring elections any of us have ever lived through.
Speaker 2: Today was a particularly boring day because they are preparing
Speaker 2: their lines, they are rehearsing their zingers, filling their heads
Speaker 2: full of facts, because they're doing debate prep at the moment,
Speaker 2: which meant the most exciting thing the Prime Minister said
Speaker 2: today and I just I mean who This is brave stuff, right,
Speaker 2: he defended veggiemite.
Speaker 3: I can confirm here today that I am pro veggiemite,
Speaker 3: and indeed I actually put a lot of veggiemrt on
Speaker 3: my toast when I ate bread, so I love veggiemte.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing.
Speaker 3: I did hear the report on that it's rather odd
Speaker 3: that they're letting marmite in, which is rubbish.
Speaker 1: Franklin, shut up, shut up. I've got to just jabber.
Speaker 1: I know that if I jabber, I'll beat the other guy.
Speaker 2: Just say Petter Dutton's four names, four times, make a
Speaker 2: reference to Donald Trump, point at the sign and you're
Speaker 2: winning it seriously. Or this bloke, this bloke, he's got
Speaker 2: more tickets on himself than Taylor Swift sells to a
Speaker 2: concert because he thinks that he is plain sailing his
Speaker 2: way through too. Well, another three years and I'll have
Speaker 2: something to say about that in the moment.
Speaker 1: Or two is time.
Speaker 2: But no new spending today, But that's okay. He's done
Speaker 2: plenty of spending since January.
Speaker 3: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars,
Speaker 3: ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty
Speaker 3: seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
Speaker 3: two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,
Speaker 3: four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point
Speaker 3: four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars,
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars,
Speaker 3: three million dollars, ten billion dollars, twenty four million dollars,
Speaker 3: nine million dollars, fifteen million dollars, My goodness.
Speaker 2: As for Peter Dutton, he was out and about today,
Speaker 2: but again they went behind closed doors pretty quickly. Why
Speaker 2: he's doing the debate prep getting ready for tomorrow that
Speaker 2: have happens the hour before us tomorrow night. So no
Speaker 2: matter where you are, you make sure you're here. You
Speaker 2: should always be here anyway, but be here nine o'clock
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. The best analysis in house ououse in terms
Speaker 2: of the people we're talking to, not the quality. Will
Speaker 2: be here tomorrow night straight after the debates, and make
Speaker 2: sure nine o'clock on the dot you are here regardless
Speaker 2: of what's.
Speaker 1: Happening anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, the attack from the opposition today, what's going after
Speaker 2: the home ownership scheme and the fine details that unsurprisingly
Speaker 2: the media didn't want to talk about with Labour's policy.
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister is out there promising to build one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand homes for one hundred thousand dollars. It sounds
Speaker 4: like something off one of the ABC skits.
Speaker 1: It's a joke. It's not going to work.
Speaker 4: And as Michael pointed out, the signature housing policy of
Speaker 4: the Albanezi government hasn't built one single home. Australians have
Speaker 4: lost the dream of home ownership under this government.
Speaker 2: Constant message do not let the past few weeks distract
Speaker 2: you from the past few years because the true cost
Speaker 2: of holding onto labor is exactly as it follows. There
Speaker 2: are fifty four thousand people who lost their job last month.
Speaker 2: One point six midion homes are currently in mortgage stress.
Speaker 2: Two out of three people can't afford the rent that
Speaker 2: they are paying. Three million people are on the verge
Speaker 2: of homelessness tonight. Three point seven million households will run
Speaker 2: out of food before the end of this week. A
Speaker 2: football stadium of businesses have gone bust, from the building
Speaker 2: sector to the cafe sector of many others in between,
Speaker 2: not just meaning that the people who took the risk
Speaker 2: of owning those businesses, but the people who work for them,
Speaker 2: all of it goes put. You've had to pay the
Speaker 2: highest supermarket prices ever. You're paying the highest prices ever
Speaker 2: on alcohol, where sixty three percent of a bottle of
Speaker 2: Bundy rum is tax. Smoking taxes mean that people are
Speaker 2: now buying illegal tobacco, and there's a crime wave sweeping
Speaker 2: the country because of that. And don't forget fifty cents
Speaker 2: in every leader of petrol.
Speaker 1: Currently is tax.
Speaker 2: The Opposition plans to cut that in its first year
Speaker 2: to twenty five cents budget deficits.
Speaker 1: Forget the next.
Speaker 2: Five, ten, fifteen, thirty, try out of the twenty sixties.
Speaker 2: That's in a generational report. Not forget one point two
Speaker 2: trillion dollars worth of debt. Now, often I will talk
Speaker 2: about how the media spins things in certain directions, but
Speaker 2: I also want to show you about some of the
Speaker 2: genius tactics that some people in politics are using when
Speaker 2: it comes to social media at the moment as their
Speaker 2: way of trying to get the message out, because, of
Speaker 2: course if you simply just make stuff up and there's
Speaker 2: some wild examples of it, or you just put scary
Speaker 2: music over things. We know that the law says politicians,
Speaker 2: well they don't have to tell the truth. Well, the
Speaker 2: reality is on social media you can do whatever you want,
Speaker 2: including the bloke who's playing Fortnite. This bloke is of
Speaker 2: course a Greens senator.
Speaker 1: Here he is.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'll hit the GRITI five win election.
Speaker 1: How are we going to find out?
Speaker 5: Pological?
Speaker 1: Thanks for asking.
Speaker 4: We're going to make new corporations and billionaires pay their
Speaker 4: fair share of tax.
Speaker 1: I'm gone.
Speaker 2: He would like more power in aus Training Parliament, and
Speaker 2: if the Labor Party is in a minority, he will
Speaker 2: definitely have it because they'll have the control downstairs. But
Speaker 2: he's already got it upstairs. Remember Labor can't pass anything
Speaker 2: without the support of the Greens. Meantime, the man who
Speaker 2: thinks that he will be at least the puppet master
Speaker 2: after the election, Adam Bant.
Speaker 1: What's he doing on the internet?
Speaker 6: Chance is coming done?
Speaker 2: I don't know what the appropriate term is, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say it's cringe full.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: Qringches In't it another example of the Greens in the
Speaker 2: way that they are elevating the political discourse of Australia
Speaker 2: outside of well the lowest common denominator. Meantime, the questions
Speaker 2: that were asked of the party leaders, including the one
Speaker 2: that will be propped up by Green's preferences no matter
Speaker 2: what happens at this election, unsurprisingly elbow.
Speaker 1: Oh, what a barrage of tough things he had to
Speaker 1: deal with today, Prime.
Speaker 7: Minister, have you spoken to Premier Min's about getting the
Speaker 7: rabbit O's Italian Stadium?
Speaker 3: I think Premier mint is very aware of my.
Speaker 2: View considering new step in to help save Marrittfield golf course.
Speaker 1: Keep that eighteen holes?
Speaker 5: Do you think that more Park of Fortunate.
Speaker 2: Made eighteen months?
Speaker 1: Are they even trying? They even trying anymore? It's there.
Speaker 2: This is how it works, and you're starting to see
Speaker 2: this by the way you're starting to see people getting
Speaker 2: there one on one interviews with the Prime Minister. This
Speaker 2: is all in exchange for not asking a tough question
Speaker 2: at the press conference, for not rocking the boat, for
Speaker 2: letting the Prime Minister say and do whatever he likes.
Speaker 2: Of course, they're keeping counter every time Peter Dutton goes
Speaker 2: to a pedrol station.
Speaker 1: No such thing.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the endless lies about Medicare you
Speaker 2: and I are paying attention?
Speaker 1: Many people aren't.
Speaker 2: And the people who are supposed to be paying attention
Speaker 2: on their behalf the ones in this campaign representing us
Speaker 2: in the media. Or they've got a side they like
Speaker 2: and a side they don't, and Peter Dutton is definitely
Speaker 2: the side they don't compare. Have you made a phone
Speaker 2: call to the premiere of New South Wales to get
Speaker 2: your football team back into the ground it used to
Speaker 2: play in with this with.
Speaker 8: The Greens to block Labour's cup and you're only vowing
Speaker 8: to reduce the intake by another thirty thousand? Was it
Speaker 8: really worth kicking the can down the road for another year?
Speaker 9: Can we get some clarity around whether you will be
Speaker 9: helping the kids out with a home deposit?
Speaker 8: I'd Baton has tried to distance himself from your nuclear plan.
Speaker 8: He says you won't have an opinion on it until
Speaker 8: after the federal election.
Speaker 5: Is this a problem?
Speaker 2: I always love when I am naturally asking a question
Speaker 2: that clearly has not been sent by anyone from head
Speaker 2: offers now each way Albow It was just as true
Speaker 2: before the last election, during this entire term of parliament
Speaker 2: and into this election, and whatever the heck is going
Speaker 2: to happen beyond perfect example of each way albow where
Speaker 2: the rules apply differently. To the greatest politician of all time,
Speaker 2: just ask him. He is greater the Matt rush the
Speaker 2: presidents on Matt Rushmore in the United States, the finest
Speaker 2: of labor leaders, right up there with John Curtin defending
Speaker 2: Australia during World War Two. We all remember when Pete
Speaker 2: Dudn't went on with Coylin Jackieoh, and he was asked
Speaker 2: a question by Kyl and Jackio and he answered a
Speaker 2: question by Kyle and Jackie O, would you.
Speaker 1: Live in Kiribilly?
Speaker 4: We would live in Kirabilly. It's a you know, we
Speaker 4: love Sydney, you love the harbor. It's a great city.
Speaker 4: And so yes, that's the answer.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one of two options of which he's
Speaker 1: legally allowed to do. And he might do that.
Speaker 2: Now, how did the Prime Minister of the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: the bad actors on social media and the get along
Speaker 2: reporters deal with that? Well, we remember because it went
Speaker 2: on for days and days and days.
Speaker 3: Fair bit of humorous behind that comment. I think measuring
Speaker 3: up the curtains. I don't take Australians for granted.
Speaker 2: But why is the segment called each way Albot Paul,
Speaker 2: Because let's compare Anthony Albigensi being asked a question and
Speaker 2: answering a question on a podcast over on the Nightly
Speaker 2: in Western Australia.
Speaker 7: You're telling me if the Nightly brings me up and
Speaker 7: says Latika, will you come out and cover the campaign
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 10: It's you that I'll be shadowing.
Speaker 3: If I'm successful on the third of May, then yeah,
Speaker 3: you'd be very welcome. I look forward and I'll guarantee
Speaker 3: you another podcast during that campaign.
Speaker 1: So a plan to run for a third term?
Speaker 2: Now, Anthony Abernezi, who said what he said about Peter
Speaker 2: Dunton being asked one of two logical questions. Do you
Speaker 2: live in the paxent taxpayer funded mansion in Canberra or
Speaker 2: the taxpayer funded mansion in Sydney?
Speaker 1: Okay? What's his response to.
Speaker 2: Already, assuming he's going to win this election and getting
Speaker 2: ready to win the next election.
Speaker 5: Are you cocky or confident ahead of the labor law?
Speaker 3: I take nothing for.
Speaker 2: Granted, except there's absolutely no chance that you would resign
Speaker 2: or there'd be a change of leadership should.
Speaker 1: You win this election. In fact, you'd be in it
Speaker 1: to win it for the third election. Each way, how
Speaker 1: by much anyone ready to call it out?
Speaker 2: Any follow up questions for the people that are watching
Speaker 2: us right now, as your Labor Party might have tucks
Speaker 2: you into a hotel or motel bed somewhere on the
Speaker 2: Alban Easy trail.
Speaker 1: Oh, but don't rock the boat. You won't be able
Speaker 1: to get your one on one where you might be able.
Speaker 2: To ask questions like have you spoken to the news
Speaker 2: of OL's premier about whether your favorite football is Yep,
Speaker 2: it's this easy.
Speaker 1: It's this easy for him.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: One other obsession of the past a few weeks, and
Speaker 2: I told you this months ago, was that if the
Speaker 2: media tried to link the Australian election to the American
Speaker 2: president over and over and over.
Speaker 8: Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, Donald Trump,
Speaker 8: President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, US President Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And if they.
Speaker 2: Asked Peter Darton questions about Donald Trump over and over
Speaker 2: and over again, but those.
Speaker 6: Remarks that you know you'd pledged to make Australia great again,
Speaker 6: is that a message that you think is helpful to
Speaker 6: the coalition At this point in.
Speaker 8: The campaign, there's a risk for a benefit being linked
Speaker 8: to commentary that's linked to Donald Trump.
Speaker 10: Well, you said back in February that I'll say this
Speaker 10: about Donald Trump, He's a big thinker and a deal maker.
Speaker 10: He's not become the President of the United States by
Speaker 10: being anything less than a shrewd. Do you stand by
Speaker 10: those comments too much?
Speaker 5: Later?
Speaker 1: If they come in, will you blame Donald Trump?
Speaker 2: Albert used to use terms like build back better, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't get brought up right, that does it now?
Speaker 2: I showed you on Sunday night and there's a version
Speaker 2: of that up at sky news dot com. That are
Speaker 2: you and up in our socials as well. Actually going
Speaker 2: back over the nonsense when it came to how the
Speaker 2: media skewered things in and around just internemperginper price. But surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: the talking point becomes a perception and perception potentially reality
Speaker 2: when it comes to an election. Because in the Resolve
Speaker 2: poll which came out twenty four hours ago, that yet
Speaker 2: again showed the Labor Party ever so slightly growing to
Speaker 2: back where they were in the election. A couple of
Speaker 2: years ago and the Liberal Party coming back to pretty
Speaker 2: much where they were at the election three years ago.
Speaker 2: That Trump was always going to be part of it.
Speaker 2: So put simply, the media badgering has actually worn off
Speaker 2: on the Australian people.
Speaker 1: Why because twenty two percent.
Speaker 2: Of people so they're more likely to vote for Anthony
Speaker 2: Ebenezi because of the way that he's been dealing with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Twenty one percent so that they are less
Speaker 2: likely the uncommitted voters that's the bottom left hand corner.
Speaker 2: It's twenty four percent less likely, twenty four percent more likely.
Speaker 2: So it's a wash, right, what's the story? Pet It
Speaker 2: udn't because thirty three percent of people say that they
Speaker 2: are less likely, fourteen percent more likely, thirty five percent
Speaker 2: less likely, fifteen percent more likely. If you say it
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over enough.
Speaker 1: Guess what people start to believe.
Speaker 2: It like they're going to cut medicare, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that on day one of the campaign, we'll match what
Speaker 2: they're spending when it comes to medicare. Oh, they're going
Speaker 2: to cut cut medicare and not a reporter says heng On.
Speaker 2: We've stood here for two weeks and you've lied every day,
Speaker 2: multiple times a day for two weeks. No, No, Instead,
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, have you spoken to the new Salon Labor
Speaker 2: premiere about moving the football team that you love back
Speaker 2: to the ground that you prefer to watch them in?
Speaker 2: And I get it, I get it, the carmidates of
Speaker 2: the Karma bus that's coming for me. But you need
Speaker 2: to see how this sausage is made. And it is rotten,
Speaker 2: rotten to the core. Worst election I have ever seen
Speaker 2: in terms of the overt viewing of the media. Now
Speaker 2: do I have a strong opinion, Hell yeah, But is
Speaker 2: that on the front of the restaurant? Do you not
Speaker 2: know that that is what we do and have for
Speaker 2: fifteen years and fifteen to come and fifteen after that?
Speaker 5: And you know what?
Speaker 1: Am I measuring the curtains for the future of this show?
Speaker 1: Bloody oath. We ain't going anywhere. But oh, these are
Speaker 1: the straight reporters.
Speaker 2: These are the ones that laugh about Sky News in
Speaker 2: primetime at press conferences. These are the ones who don't
Speaker 2: follow up Verdick. But of course Trump tump tump, tump, tump,
Speaker 2: tum tump. And again I love this right for one
Speaker 2: of a better term the more trumpy people, including many
Speaker 2: in the Australian media. They're saying he should be more
Speaker 2: like Trump, and the reason he's losing is because he's
Speaker 2: not trumpy enough.
Speaker 1: The reality of the polling that I've told you.
Speaker 2: As a person who's got the hat listens to Steve Bannon,
Speaker 2: I'm all in and understand Maga completely. I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump won that last election, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to pretend that the majority of Australians do not
Speaker 2: I view so this idea of just saying he should
Speaker 2: double down, triple down, quadruple down, because it really appeals
Speaker 2: to the people we appeal to.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 2: The majority of Australians we have known since the last
Speaker 2: election didn't like Donald Trump, which is why the Labour
Speaker 2: Party desperately hoped that they would be able to operate
Speaker 2: an absolute quilt of lies under the dark skies of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the media, knowing that they wouldn't upset
Speaker 2: the apple cart because you definitely need that one on
Speaker 2: one with the winning Prime minister, right, they wouldn't ask anything,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't call him out on the lies. Well, what
Speaker 2: a difference a few weeks make. Now, this is no
Speaker 2: breaking news. It's evident to anyone and everyone about what's
Speaker 2: gone up and what's gone down. First column, what happened
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, Second column, what happened just a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago. Final column, what's happening right now? The
Speaker 2: red is down, the Green is up. Most importantly, most
Speaker 2: interestingly to me, one nation close to doubling their vote
Speaker 2: in this poll in February, still above their vote. But
Speaker 2: once you start to put together all of the different
Speaker 2: averages and all of the different polling, when it comes
Speaker 2: to one nation, that is one of.
Speaker 1: These stories of the election. And if you vote one.
Speaker 2: Nation, what you do with the number two number will
Speaker 2: be the difference between our by running away with it
Speaker 2: or this thing being so close that there might be
Speaker 2: some surprises happening on election night. And I loved our
Speaker 2: time with Pauline Hanson last night. It was awesome to
Speaker 2: be at Seagulls. I love the Mavericks pub test, which
Speaker 2: should do more of them. I thought she was absolutely sensational,
Speaker 2: as was Matt Canavan and Bob Catter as well. In fact,
Speaker 2: just to relive some of Pauline's best moments here they
Speaker 2: were last night in our pub test and thank you
Speaker 2: to everyone who watched and everyone who turned up.
Speaker 9: A lot of these students are being scammed for the
Speaker 9: vote and it's been rooted. So I brought it to
Speaker 9: the tension of my member of Parliament there to actually
Speaker 9: do something. I've spoken about it on the floor of Parliament,
Speaker 9: but nothing's happened yet. We're going to force the issue, Paul.
Speaker 9: It's not right, it's overspending. They can't manage the country.
Speaker 9: They're absolute bloody hopeless. As far as I'm concerned, this
Speaker 9: government needs to go.
Speaker 2: She's a ripper and of all of the different voices
Speaker 2: everywhere else, including you know, these little micro independents all together. Yes,
Speaker 2: quite consequential in terms of the number of people that
Speaker 2: they have in Parliament. There is no single figure over
Speaker 2: the past thirty years that has been as resilient or
Speaker 2: as popular as she is right now according to these polls. Now,
Speaker 2: are they about to sweep the Parliament of the whole
Speaker 2: bunch of members in the Parliament like they did in
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety eight queens Own election.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Is there a chance that they are going to be
Speaker 2: able to increase the amount of senators they have? Yeah, probably,
Speaker 2: but you can't deny what is happening right now, which
Speaker 2: is that either disaffected liberals or annoyed labor supporters are
Speaker 2: saying bugger this. I'm with Pauline because again, can I
Speaker 2: show you five percent of the twenty twenty two election.
Speaker 1: That's what one nation got.
Speaker 2: But in the current essential poll, that's the one that
Speaker 2: comes out in the Turnbul Times the Guardian What Nation
Speaker 2: support is at nine percent, almost double the Yugov report
Speaker 2: which first showed us the Libs are up at seventy
Speaker 2: something seats. Now it's Labor seventy something seats. But guess
Speaker 2: what doesn't change. Support for paul En Hansen News Poll
Speaker 2: up three points on where they were at the election.
Speaker 2: Resolve and Morgan a little more skeptical that there's been
Speaker 2: any significant growth, but one thing is obvious. There is
Speaker 2: a rise in the one nation vote, which means just
Speaker 2: as important as it was in twenty nineteen. If you
Speaker 2: are going to vote for something other than a major party,
Speaker 2: what you do with the number two matters. It really matters,
Speaker 2: because yes, your vote can go off on a long journey,
Speaker 2: a long magical journey of other micro parties or independence
Speaker 2: with no chance, and then eventually picking between the lesser
Speaker 2: of two evils, or you can make an absolute statement
Speaker 2: about who you want to vote for fe first in
Speaker 2: the lower House, then in my view, you should pick
Speaker 2: an you think the government should be with your second.
Speaker 1: But where you can also have that maximum.
Speaker 2: Power for things like One Nation is number one in
Speaker 2: the Senate because one of the reasons why a party
Speaker 2: like One Nation is running in every single seat everywhere
Speaker 2: is not just about their ability to play a major
Speaker 2: role and give you an option outside of traditional political
Speaker 2: parties at this election in the lower House, it means
Speaker 2: that they are able to collect statewide votes for those
Speaker 2: Senate spots. So Malcolm Roberts is the one up in Queensland.
Speaker 2: We know that Lee Hanson, Pauline's daughter, is a massive
Speaker 2: shot of the last place in the Senate race in Tasmania.
Speaker 2: Remember smaller population but still the same number of senators.
Speaker 2: It means you don't need as many people to vote,
Speaker 2: you still need a significant percentage. The same of course,
Speaker 2: when it comes to South Australia, where already there is
Speaker 2: a one Nation Upper House MP Western Australia as well,
Speaker 2: which it has had One Nation members and by the
Speaker 2: state and federal parliament before so preferences matter. I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this a lot over the next few weeks
Speaker 2: because it's game time. It is now the time not
Speaker 2: just for deciding, but for you to own your vote,
Speaker 2: to not just say bugger them all and then spend
Speaker 2: the next three years rolling your rise and complaining about
Speaker 2: the government that we get.
Speaker 1: At some point you have to choose Yes.
Speaker 2: Your first preference is I would like insert party to
Speaker 2: be the next government of Australia. If that doesn't happen,
Speaker 2: which of the two that are more likely to get
Speaker 2: the most number of seats, Which of those two do
Speaker 2: you believe is headed in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Or the wrong direction?
Speaker 2: Majority of polls, majority of demographics in the country, seat
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: What you do with that preference is the king maker,
Speaker 1: the queen maker, the they maker to be very politically correct.
Speaker 2: And today in Victoria we started to see what is
Speaker 2: going to happen when it comes to the how to
Speaker 2: vote cards. Now Labor has not published theirs, even though
Speaker 2: votes of course they start seven days from now, but
Speaker 2: we did see what both the Liberal Party and One
Speaker 2: Nation are going to be doing when it comes to
Speaker 2: their preferences. So in a scenario where the primary vote
Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party has gone from having a four
Speaker 2: in front of it, which means it would most likely
Speaker 2: win a conventional election, to now falling back to in
Speaker 2: and around where they were three years ago, the preferences
Speaker 2: of one nation which did go their way along with
Speaker 2: the UAP and others in twenty nineteen save Scott Morrison's
Speaker 2: backside when they deserted them. You've got Albo in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. What will you do in twenty and twenty five? Well,
Speaker 2: the how to votes which are starting to pop up
Speaker 2: now via the Victorian candidates. This is the Liberals Emelia Hammer,
Speaker 2: who we hope he is able to knock off doctor Ryan,
Speaker 2: who by the way, took three days to come up
Speaker 2: with a proposal when it comes to paid influences. Also,
Speaker 2: this is the bloke who's running in the seat of
Speaker 2: Aston which the Liberal Party previously held then they lost
Speaker 2: today by election. But as you can see on both
Speaker 2: of those who got the green paper, they mentioned only
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party by name, everyone else only by name.
Speaker 1: It's a bit cute.
Speaker 2: And then there is the Senate voting that is underneath.
Speaker 2: I believe very late tonight there's been something out of
Speaker 2: New South Wales. But let's just focus here on Victoria
Speaker 2: because I've got to say I find it curious where
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is placing some of its preferences here,
Speaker 2: because while there are lots of smaller parties that will
Speaker 2: have pockets of support somewhere else, the only one that
Speaker 2: is currently pulling it almost double what they did to
Speaker 2: the last election, almost breaking into double digit figures, is
Speaker 2: One Nation. But let's have a look here the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party preferences in the Senate in Victoria. They want you,
Speaker 2: and remember they go above the line who you've only
Speaker 2: got to vote one, two, three, four, five six, Okay,
Speaker 2: below the line every single person who is on the
Speaker 2: ballot paper. Yes, I'm one of those supernerds. Yes it
Speaker 2: takes some time, but jis I enjoy putting certain people
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty sixth absolutely obviously Liberals first, then
Speaker 2: family first, then libertarian then One Nation now libertarians. Of course,
Speaker 2: the former Liberal Democrats. They have representation with David Limbrick
Speaker 2: in the Upper House in Victoria, so they are not
Speaker 2: without representation. Family first, a little more culturally focused when
Speaker 2: it comes to the right wing. Maybe that's the logic,
Speaker 2: and then you get into one Nation, Sustainable Australia and
Speaker 2: the Australian Democrats. Now, of course Liberal Party preferences are
Speaker 2: only going to trickle down to people who have not
Speaker 2: already been knocked out of the race. So maybe the
Speaker 2: theory here, and remember all of this is in return, right,
Speaker 2: we put you higher, you give us what you have.
Speaker 1: So maybe.
Speaker 2: One percent of people vote family first, They're not going
Speaker 2: to get a Senate seat, but the preferences get added
Speaker 2: as one full point maybe back onto the Libs. The
Speaker 2: Libertarians probably will do much better, certainly in certain areas,
Speaker 2: much better than Family First, and then one Nation is
Speaker 2: going to do a lot better than all of those.
Speaker 2: But I would have thought at an election where currently
Speaker 2: the Poles say that one nation is running as well
Speaker 2: as it is, that it should be as high as
Speaker 2: possible on its ticket, and vice versa. Now, I know
Speaker 2: there'll be some lefty Liberals who don't like it, the
Speaker 2: press gallery won't like it, the Prime Minister won't like it.
Speaker 2: But guess what, Almost ten percent of Australia currently is
Speaker 2: saying that they are willing and wanting to vote for
Speaker 2: one nation. Why would you not try to harness those
Speaker 2: people as high and as fast as possible. Now we
Speaker 2: haven't heard from many of the other smaller parties, but
Speaker 2: One Nation and what they are doing in Victoria. And remember,
Speaker 2: yes Victoria is different than Queensland, different than other places
Speaker 2: around the country. But this is how the preferences are
Speaker 2: starting to flow back and forth. One nation first, then
Speaker 2: family first, then libertarians see the pattern. It then breaks
Speaker 2: for shooters, fishes and farmers, the trumpet of patriots and
Speaker 2: then at number six the Liberal Nationals. So the Liberals
Speaker 2: are being a little bit they're holding their preference back
Speaker 2: one Nation, really holding their preference back when it comes
Speaker 2: to the Senate, the theory being that name might be
Speaker 2: able to get somebody else elected after a one nation senator,
Speaker 2: and then if they had to pick any after that,
Speaker 2: then it'd be the Liberals. But before people start winging
Speaker 2: about what to one Nation is doing, what are the
Speaker 2: Liberals doing? They're putting them not second, not third, but
Speaker 2: they've decided to put them forth. And let's have a
Speaker 2: look at the how to vote card in the seat
Speaker 2: of Aston Now again, this is one that at the
Speaker 2: federal election last time the Liberal Party was able to
Speaker 2: hold on. Then it's MP bolted at a pretty bad time.
Speaker 1: For the party.
Speaker 2: But let's have a look when Paul Enhanson, Liberal Democrats
Speaker 2: and United Australian Party are on the ballot. That is
Speaker 2: what three to nine eleven percent eleven percent that was
Speaker 2: out there when it came to pre diferences. That's why
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party was able to go from a primary
Speaker 2: vote of forty three percent on top of the Labour
Speaker 2: Parties thirty two percent, the Greens twelve percent before you're
Speaker 2: able to get to United Australian Party, Paul and Hanson,
Speaker 2: Liberal Democrats between them eleven points at eleven points to
Speaker 2: forty three points.
Speaker 1: Guess what happens?
Speaker 2: The Liberal Party wins when Paul and Hanson, the Liberal
Speaker 2: Democrats and the United Australian Party or trumpet Patriots as
Speaker 2: we be called now, did not turn up to assist
Speaker 2: when it came to preferences at the by election.
Speaker 1: Guess what happened.
Speaker 2: Forty three percent becomes forty percent for the Sorry, thirty
Speaker 2: two percent becomes forty percent for the Labor Party, forty
Speaker 2: three percent becomes thirty nine percent, and then the Independent,
Speaker 2: Fusion and Greens give all of their preferences, meaning the
Speaker 2: Labor Party wins the seat.
Speaker 1: That's what happened.
Speaker 2: So this vote of minor parties matter, This vote of
Speaker 2: preferences really matters.
Speaker 1: It is the difference to winning and losing.
Speaker 2: And in the same way that there is no Labor
Speaker 2: party without Green's preferences, there is no successful liberal party
Speaker 2: without the preferences of one Nation, libertarian, trumpeter, patriots. Now
Speaker 2: we know that Clive Palmer, when it comes to his advertising,
Speaker 2: has made it very clear it's bugger them all. He's
Speaker 2: running the same message that he was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: We know what happened to the liberals and those preferences
Speaker 2: at that election. One nation polling higher than it did
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, but a much stronger message of
Speaker 2: saying buger elbow. That's why I'm focusing in great detail tonight,
Speaker 2: because this is the game. You pay attention to the detail.
Speaker 2: I do too, and you can see the games that
Speaker 2: people are playing. The liberal preferences in the seat of aston.
Speaker 2: Remember without UAP or trumpets as it's called now, without
Speaker 2: one nation, without the libertarians, they lose the seat. What
Speaker 2: are they doing with their preferences? Liberal first, then family first,
Speaker 2: then libertarian, then a local independent, then one nation. Seriously,
Speaker 2: this is the I'm talking about the organist wing of
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, not petty doudn't the organ How the
Speaker 2: heck would you put one nation that low down when
Speaker 2: you need its votes to win that seat. Honestly, as
Speaker 2: for one nation in return, what are they doing the Libertarians,
Speaker 2: then the trumpet of patriots, then family.
Speaker 1: First, then the Liberals.
Speaker 2: If the Liberals do not win the seat of Aston,
Speaker 2: those how to vote forms will be one of, if
Speaker 2: not the reason why it happened. Because when the government
Speaker 2: was when the Liberal Party was losing office in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, it was able to hold onto that seat.
Speaker 1: Why because of.
Speaker 2: Those preferences eleven percent of them. When it was a
Speaker 2: by election and they were there, the seat was lost.
Speaker 2: And now at the first opportunity to win the seat back,
Speaker 2: they failed to do the deal that will actually save
Speaker 2: their backside. You cannot help people who will not help themselves.
Speaker 2: That said, I am not suggesting give up. I am
Speaker 2: not suggesting that the Labor Party victory is inevitable. I
Speaker 2: am not suggesting that we should not be meeting here
Speaker 2: each and every night to fire up going to pretend
Speaker 2: that that's not what hundreds thousands of people are going
Speaker 2: to get in the elector who are not paying attention
Speaker 2: as strongly as we are. James Ashby is inside the
Speaker 2: One Nation machine. I'll talk to him about some of
Speaker 2: the decisions here. I don't know that they're different in
Speaker 2: different states, but I'm curious to see if anything he
Speaker 2: might be able to tell us about how that preference
Speaker 2: sausage is made. Now, away from politics, we are coming
Speaker 2: back to Western Australia for our town. We'll be doing
Speaker 2: so in just a couple of weeks time. Not this Sunday,
Speaker 2: which is east of Sunday. It is the Sunday after that,
Speaker 2: the final Sunday in April, and we're going to a
Speaker 2: ripper of a joint. I've never been here in my life.
Speaker 2: I've dreamt of going. It's the home of Kevin Bloody
Speaker 2: Wilson Mining. I know that just up the road there's
Speaker 2: the Nullaboorn Muster that's going to be taking place out
Speaker 2: back Truckers, Ossie gold Hunters.
Speaker 1: This is Super Australia, caw Goooley. Not this next Sunday.
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Speaker 2: I want as many people watching the show right now
Speaker 2: to join us, the people who are willing to fly
Speaker 2: up from Perth.
Speaker 1: You do it.
Speaker 2: You want to come across from Adelaide, come down from Darwin,
Speaker 2: start walking now from Sydney, not this next Sunday, our
Speaker 2: town Cowgooley, Western Australia. It's going to be one of
Speaker 2: the best we've ever done. I just know it feeling
Speaker 2: in my bones. It's going to be a massive show.
Speaker 2: Be there in person, otherwise we'll see you on the
Speaker 2: other side of the telly in a moment of two's time.
Speaker 2: Ple need to fire up about We'll get to that
Speaker 2: in a moment here on Paul Murray life. Always looking
Speaker 2: forward to a chat with these two lovely Linda Scott
Speaker 2: of course is here labor of the brute straps, despite
Speaker 2: the fact.
Speaker 1: You're sitting a slight green message. All preferences have begun.
Speaker 1: Preferences have begun.
Speaker 2: And James Ashby, of course, he was there in Seagulls
Speaker 2: last night doing his bit.
Speaker 1: For One Nation. Where are you tonight? Made you damp
Speaker 1: back down in Hobart.
Speaker 7: Yeah, mate, back down in Hobart right by me is
Speaker 7: the casino there? And Paulie enough to wind me up
Speaker 7: if you want my hands out of my pockets tonight.
Speaker 2: All right, Linda, feel free to just just go that
Speaker 2: five seconds longer and I reckon they'll come out and
Speaker 2: start firing up. All right now, James, I'm going to
Speaker 2: spend some time not to buter you up, but to
Speaker 2: talk about what is happening right now, which is regardless
Speaker 2: of what is apparently happening to the Liberal Party, one
Speaker 2: nation has remained very steady growing depend on your poll
Speaker 2: and I know that you know you want to be
Speaker 2: a political realist, so you say, oh, look, if we
Speaker 2: can do what we did last.
Speaker 1: Time, that's great.
Speaker 2: But a couple of Poles say one point, couple of
Speaker 2: Poles say two points, couple of Poles say almost a
Speaker 2: doubling in your vote.
Speaker 1: This is pretty extraordinary. Do you see it? What's an
Speaker 1: example of it? Have you seen an.
Speaker 2: Increase in members, donations, candidates? How do you see it
Speaker 2: as different than last time?
Speaker 5: Well, all of the above. We do have more members
Speaker 5: on board.
Speaker 7: We are getting better donations from mum and dad people, though, Paul,
Speaker 7: we're not reliant on those big corporate donations like the
Speaker 7: major parties, But I think one are the big driving
Speaker 7: factors at this election. Why people have been driven We
Speaker 7: know that the major parties are on the nose. But two,
Speaker 7: I think we put out a policy suite in February,
Speaker 7: so we've actually given people time to digest the plans
Speaker 7: that we put forward. You know, it's so easy for
Speaker 7: a lot of these other minor parties to winge and
Speaker 7: say the other guys.
Speaker 5: Are doing a bad job.
Speaker 7: But unless you've got solutions for the country, what's the
Speaker 7: point inviting for another minor party. So that's why we
Speaker 7: put a suite out of policies in February, so that people,
Speaker 7: as I say it, can digest them, pick them apart.
Speaker 7: I don't care the media haven't haven't had one negative
Speaker 7: thing to say about one nation's policies. The other point
Speaker 7: I'll add to this two point, all those computer geeks
Speaker 7: back at headquarters there are able to dissect the detail
Speaker 7: of how many people are actually visiting our website and
Speaker 7: it is double what most of the two major parties
Speaker 7: are getting.
Speaker 5: So these interests people are taking the time.
Speaker 7: So for those parties that don't have a website with
Speaker 7: their policies listed on it, well maybe you should do it.
Speaker 5: And I'll know this Labor and the liberal party.
Speaker 7: Neither of them put their policies online until they've started
Speaker 7: rolling them out only since the election campaign started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, Linda.
Speaker 2: We'll get into the preference game in a second with James,
Speaker 2: because this is so important, it's so statistically relevant, it
Speaker 2: matters in terms of the results here. Why do you
Speaker 2: think One Nation, according to some poles, is almost double
Speaker 2: where it was three years ago.
Speaker 8: Well, look, I think election after election in Australia, we've
Speaker 8: seen votes moving to minor parties. Obviously that's spreading pretty widely.
Speaker 8: So we're seeing you know, people voting for the Teals,
Speaker 8: for the Greens, for One Nation, splitting off to the
Speaker 8: left and the right of the political spectrum. But Paul,
Speaker 8: I think voters are thinking differently this election. I mean
Speaker 8: I spoke to a voter on the weekend. I was
Speaker 8: door knocking in Sydney and she told me she'd been
Speaker 8: a lifelong Liberal voter, but this election she was voting
Speaker 8: Green and then preferencing Liberal. So you know, I think
Speaker 8: people are looking around and trying to understand how they're
Speaker 8: vote is going to be best placed. But the reality
Speaker 8: is this actually for both the Greens and One Nation.
Speaker 8: The Greens leader tonight again on the ABC, has confirmed
Speaker 8: that he will never vote for Peter Dutton as leader,
Speaker 8: and James has repeatedly On Your Show, Paul admitted that
Speaker 8: One Nation will never last night, it's a risk, it's
Speaker 8: a risk, it's a risk to vote for these minor parties.
Speaker 8: Australia needs a government that is stable in unstable times.
Speaker 8: It's a risk to vote for these minor parties when
Speaker 8: in reality Australia does need a stable government in unstable times.
Speaker 8: And if you're going to place your vote with one
Speaker 8: Nation and then they're going to vote for Peter Dutton anyway,
Speaker 8: you have to ask what's the point. Why would you
Speaker 8: risk your vote when you could place it with Labor
Speaker 8: and form a stable government for Australia.
Speaker 5: James, He's the thing.
Speaker 7: We've been in a position where we've held that balance
Speaker 7: of power, or at least shared balance of power in
Speaker 7: the past Lender and never once where we relied upon
Speaker 7: by the coalition.
Speaker 5: At that stage.
Speaker 7: Now we went through a phase where we had Malcolm
Speaker 7: turbul and then we had Scott Morrison. Never ever, ever
Speaker 7: did they ever imagine they could rely on our vote.
Speaker 7: We turn them down on a number of issues when
Speaker 7: they were so passionate get to get legislation passed through.
Speaker 7: So we look at legislation based on its merits and
Speaker 7: that is something that the Australian public realized. You know,
Speaker 7: that's not an easy feat to be able to turn
Speaker 7: down a coalition piece of legislation. But once we didn't
Speaker 7: agree with we amended in order to help them pass
Speaker 7: it if we didn't agree with it in its entirety.
Speaker 7: There was some shocking legislation that was passed. But I'll
Speaker 7: tell you what, nothing worse than labor legislation. And we
Speaker 7: have had to turn down support for most labor legislation,
Speaker 7: not because we're anti labor, because it's bloody terrible legislation.
Speaker 7: And that's the point to it constantly going through when
Speaker 7: a coalition or conservative government come in fixing poor legislation
Speaker 7: that was drafted by your mob and just waved through.
Speaker 5: By the Greens and other left groups like Jackie Lamby.
Speaker 2: I want to give a preview to tomorrow night's debate again,
Speaker 2: full analysis and first analysis will be here at nine
Speaker 2: o'clock astraight in Eastern time. Make sure, regardless of what's
Speaker 2: happening in the dying seconds of the debate. You are
Speaker 2: here for the hot takes, lots of people talking about it,
Speaker 2: but James, just quickly and again I've only got a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes. But still the preference decisions, right, am
Speaker 2: I right in suggesting here that essentially one nation, Libertarian
Speaker 2: family first, maybe Christians, maybe Trumpets, you all swap it
Speaker 2: amongst yourselves before you start to throw it towards a
Speaker 2: major party. In reverse, the Libs are making you wait
Speaker 2: till fourth in some places before you get a preference.
Speaker 1: Who's the one playing the dangerous game here?
Speaker 7: Well, I look to their credit in some states that
Speaker 7: the Liberals have put us second, like in Queensland for example,
Speaker 7: which we appreciate. And I think I haven't seen how
Speaker 7: to vote card, but I heard a whisper that they
Speaker 7: may have done it in Tasmania too, which is a
Speaker 7: good sign. They obviously see merrit in, Leigh Hanson, who's
Speaker 7: running down here, Pauline's daughter and Tazzy for the Senate.
Speaker 7: But look, we've had now almost nine years in that parliament.
Speaker 7: We've been able to see which minor parties are willing
Speaker 7: to work with us, knock on our door, come and
Speaker 7: have discussions. You know, there's so much similarity, and a
Speaker 7: lot of these minor parties, a lot of them just
Speaker 7: can't get their act together and they can't get the
Speaker 7: money together to run in every seat like we have.
Speaker 7: So that's why over nine years we've been able to say, well, look,
Speaker 7: you know, Family First are a decent mob. We've been
Speaker 7: able to say that, you know, the Libertarians are equally
Speaker 7: good and if we aren't strong enough to get a
Speaker 7: seat in our own right, we'd rather one of them.
Speaker 7: But I'll tell you this, Paul, lasts or the last
Speaker 7: couple of elections, we've never really put a major party
Speaker 7: on our how to vote cards for the Senate. This time,
Speaker 7: it's so important to get it right because we need
Speaker 7: to change the balance in the Senate and that is
Speaker 7: why we don't want our votes to exhaust.
Speaker 5: And the Liberal or Liberal National Party have gone at six.
Speaker 7: So your votes in the Senate for one nation, and
Speaker 7: if you follow our how to vote card, they won't
Speaker 7: be wasted. You will go to another conservative party even
Speaker 7: if it does end up with the Liberals, because honestly,
Speaker 7: it's going to be distraates for this country if we
Speaker 7: end up with Labor and the Greens controlling both the
Speaker 7: lower House and the Senate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just thinking that the Western Australian Liberal Party
Speaker 2: goes themselves first National, second, one Nation third.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work on the Tasmanian one as we speak.
Speaker 1: But let's turn two. All of this matters again. All
Speaker 1: of this mats matters.
Speaker 2: All of this details matters, and we're trying to unpack
Speaker 2: it for you before somebody else writes an article somewhere
Speaker 2: does There's been Holst Teddy in the numbers and some
Speaker 2: of the participants as well. All Right, this debate tomorrow night, Linda.
Speaker 2: If it's a draw, it's a win for Anthony Uberneasy.
Speaker 2: Why because he's currently in front. That said, if the
Speaker 2: most important thing he said to day was that he
Speaker 2: backs Veedgi, might is he just put the qu in
Speaker 2: the rack a little bit too early.
Speaker 8: Look, i think it's really important that people watch these
Speaker 8: debates like they did with the Sky News one. I know,
Speaker 8: you know, it rated really well and I think it's
Speaker 8: the first time many Australians have engaged to be honest
Speaker 8: with Peter Dutton and actually considered him to be an
Speaker 8: alternative prime minister. And the more they look, the more
Speaker 8: they see the false promise that nuclear power is, that
Speaker 8: he still won't put a cost on it, that he
Speaker 8: still is unable to account for its danger, that labor
Speaker 8: has a real plan, that he has that that Anthony
Speaker 8: Abnez he has a real plan to relieve people's cost
Speaker 8: of living with practical measures, tax cuts in the budget,
Speaker 8: practical measures like help for free taste childcare, the things
Speaker 8: that actually matter to normal Australians, James, unlike your group,
Speaker 8: which of course the majority of the Australians don't support
Speaker 8: cost of living naked taxes and efferent people's lives.
Speaker 7: For the kind of debate old tax, we'll see you
Speaker 7: tax fuel tax and you'll do it eighteen times in
Speaker 7: the next term of Parliament, the same way you've done
Speaker 7: eighteen increases through excise tax to every Australian. You haven't
Speaker 7: made their lives any better. And your pitdly little five
Speaker 7: bucks will go nowhere when another eighteen of those taxes.
Speaker 7: Think single early.
Speaker 8: But that's a lot of money for many Australians in
Speaker 8: their pockets.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I did today? Five bucks?
Speaker 7: Five five bucks got me a trolley to lug my
Speaker 7: luggage around at the at the airport today.
Speaker 5: It buys you nothing correct.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just double checked the Tasmanian preferences.
Speaker 2: You are right, unsurprisingly, James on this at Liberals first,
Speaker 2: one Nation two, which is I want to.
Speaker 8: Say, paul this really is breaking news. This is massive news.
Speaker 1: What's breaking news.
Speaker 6: What's the first time we've.
Speaker 8: Seen since the existence of One Nation in Australia when
Speaker 8: they launched onto the scene with Pauline Hanson as the
Speaker 8: party of racism. This is the first time we've seen
Speaker 8: a major party doing.
Speaker 1: A preference deal with the party that's rating.
Speaker 8: Racist party like John Howard did. The honorable thing in
Speaker 8: the Green.
Speaker 5: Is what happened, and that is what Peter.
Speaker 8: I'm so sorry, James, but you have dramatically at minorities
Speaker 8: in this country and when you look in.
Speaker 7: And you are balancing them above anybody else, the greatest
Speaker 7: racists are the Greens, followed by the divisive Labor Party.
Speaker 2: All right, well, those are the preferences. They're starting to
Speaker 2: come in. We'll know more about them tomorrow. Thank you, Linda,
Speaker 2: Thank you James. We'll resume the pleasantries this.
Speaker 1: Time next week. So he's got his hands out of
Speaker 1: his pocket. So it was a good chat, all right.
Speaker 2: Quick break back with more Angus Taylor shadow treasure for
Speaker 2: the Libs, and I'll check out some more of these
Speaker 2: preferences as they are unfolding before our eyes. Thank you, Linda,
Speaker 2: breaking years. That'll make the Primo season. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for watching every single night. I show you the
Speaker 2: list the true cost of holding onto the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: In fact, if we can show it again all right, Like,
Speaker 2: more than fifty thousand people lost their job in the
Speaker 2: last month according to Australian Bureau Statistics. That's a football
Speaker 2: stadium pople lost their jobs gone. How many people in
Speaker 2: housing stress one in six, one in three can't pay
Speaker 2: their rent right now. There's three million people that are
Speaker 2: this close to homelessness, three point seven million that will
Speaker 2: run out of food, thirty thousand businesses that have gone bust,
Speaker 2: the high supermarket prices you've ever had to pay because
Speaker 2: of the taxes, the taxes on alcohol, smoking at petrol
Speaker 2: forget ten years of budget deficits. The Intergeneration Report says
Speaker 2: budget deficits for the next forty years.
Speaker 1: And one point two tree million dollars stead. Angus Taylor
Speaker 1: is the shadow treasurer.
Speaker 2: He's the man who will be trying to fix this
Speaker 2: mess should there be a change of governent in just
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks time. And I had the chance
Speaker 2: to talk to him from Perth a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: We began by talking about how Labour says they feel
Speaker 2: your pain, but they're also the cause of your pain.
Speaker 1: That's right, Paul.
Speaker 11: Even worse than that, they pat themselves on the back
Speaker 11: and they tell themselves that it's all getting better, and
Speaker 11: it's not. We've sent the biggest collapse in our living
Speaker 11: standards in history, bigger than any peer country around the world.
Speaker 11: Young Australians are losing hope of owning a home, losing
Speaker 11: hope of starting a business, and of course, as you
Speaker 11: rightly said, we've got budget deficits as far as the
Speaker 11: eye can see. We're heading towards one point two trillion
Speaker 11: dollars of debt, one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 11: of debt and interest payments by the end of the
Speaker 11: next term of labor. And they will not restore our
Speaker 11: standard of living back to where it was when we
Speaker 11: were last in power until twenty thirty or beyond. That's
Speaker 11: on the Reserve Bank's own numbers. So this is disaster
Speaker 11: and it's why disastros, it's why we have to beat
Speaker 11: inflation by cutting waste and slashing red tape. It's while
Speaker 11: we've got a boost growth by backing small business and
Speaker 11: getting investment going again. And fix energy and housing, Paul,
Speaker 11: and these are essential imperatives and just over the weekend
Speaker 11: we are now it's an important step towards fixing housing.
Speaker 11: On top of getting more supply into the market by
Speaker 11: busting infrastructure bottlenecks, we'll also make it easier for young
Speaker 11: homeowners to get into our home ownership for the first time.
Speaker 11: This is restoring the Australian dream. We must do that
Speaker 11: because it's so central to what it is to be Australian.
Speaker 11: And that'll allow them to deduct the interest payments on
Speaker 11: their mortgage up to twelve thousand dollars. We'd expect a
Speaker 11: young first homeowner to gain in terms of being able
Speaker 11: to buy a home. And this is new homes only,
Speaker 11: so it'll get more supply into the market and this
Speaker 11: is incredibly important.
Speaker 1: We need new supply. We also need affordability.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this compared to what Labour's offered now
Speaker 2: they're trying to go and this is many of their
Speaker 2: economic policies, and certainly the way that they're running their election,
Speaker 2: which is if they can put a nice title on something,
Speaker 2: forget the detail, forget the asterisks, forget the footnotes, forget
Speaker 2: the delays. As long as there's a little sticker that
Speaker 2: they can put on something, then they can shove it
Speaker 2: into an ad give us an idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly you're.
Speaker 2: Focusing on helping people when it comes to the repayments.
Speaker 2: They're focusing when it comes to the deposit. Your answer
Speaker 2: to the deposit is access to super and of course
Speaker 2: when it comes to that time in their life to
Speaker 2: sell the house, well, you most likely have plenty more
Speaker 2: money than you took out of your super, however many
Speaker 2: years earlier.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the detail of labors.
Speaker 2: What's the fine print that's missing in their deposit based
Speaker 2: attempts to win this issue.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not going to be enough. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 11: Young homeowners are not going to be able to get
Speaker 11: into the market through just paying less on the deposit.
Speaker 11: They've also got to be able to service the loan
Speaker 11: and there's got to be new houses coming onto the
Speaker 11: market to make that possible. And that's why we've put
Speaker 11: aside the five billion dollar housing infrastructure Fund, Paul. And
Speaker 11: it's also why we're making interest payments tax deductible for
Speaker 11: first home owners for new houses. But the other part
Speaker 11: I'd make about Labor's policy is this they're spending now
Speaker 11: forty two billion dollars and that program, which has been
Speaker 11: in place, their programs have been in place since soon
Speaker 11: after coming into government, has not delivered a single house yet.
Speaker 11: That the Treasurer last night when I was debating him,
Speaker 11: confirmed that we have not got a single family living in.
Speaker 10: One of these houses.
Speaker 11: Their policies have absolutely failed. Right at the heart of
Speaker 11: the policies is that government will own part of the house,
Speaker 11: that there'll be an owner of the house. I mean,
Speaker 11: this is a ridiculous idea. It's not working, it's not
Speaker 11: delivering more houses. And at the end of the day
Speaker 11: we see the Australian dream evaporating in front of our eyes.
Speaker 1: Now, if Labour ends up.
Speaker 2: In a scenario where it is returned in minority or
Speaker 2: frankly even in jority government, the Greens are necessary either
Speaker 2: to get them over the line downstairs or'll get anything
Speaker 2: passed upstairs. There's claims in the Press today that you've
Speaker 2: got some modeling what sixty billion dollars worth of extra
Speaker 2: taxes get dropped on us if the Greens end up
Speaker 2: as the puppet masters, which they already are.
Speaker 11: Actually it's closer to two hundred billion. And Nick McKinnon
Speaker 11: confirmed that this morning. Again I was with him, debating
Speaker 11: him and he confirmed this two hundred billion. Now let's
Speaker 11: go through what it is capital gains tax on the
Speaker 11: family home, getting ready of negative gearing, going after family
Speaker 11: businesses with extra taxes and going after your superannuation. They're
Speaker 11: going to reduce the threshold on the tax that label
Speaker 11: already wants to bring in to tax unrealized capital gains,
Speaker 11: and to increase the taxes on superannuation. But the Greens
Speaker 11: want to go further and in total, we calculate that
Speaker 11: to be about two hundred and fifteen billion dollars of taxes.
Speaker 11: Nickim not disputing that this is a huge attack on
Speaker 11: Australian's hardened wealth, their homes, their investments, their superannuation. This
Speaker 11: is what Labour's coming after and if they get into
Speaker 11: coalition with the Greens, because they'll have no choice, this
Speaker 11: is what the Greens are going to be asking for
Speaker 11: Paul and the most dangerous thing we could have is
Speaker 11: a green labor coalition. I think it's a very real
Speaker 11: prospect if we're not able to win with a majority,
Speaker 11: and we should all be deeply concerned about that prospect.
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