Speaker 1: Vince is the Media Show with Jack Houghton.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Jack Houghton,
Speaker 2: and tonight my guests are the Australians Darren Davidson and
Speaker 2: James bolt Off Sky News. Later in the show, we're
Speaker 2: going to get into a crisis at the ABC. But first,
Speaker 2: the fallout of Donald Trump's hush money convictions continues and
Speaker 2: some of the media have been claiming that this is
Speaker 2: going to be the end of the former president.
Speaker 3: But other than his breathless seke of fans whose entire
Speaker 3: identity is wrapped up in their slavish devotion to the guy,
Speaker 3: there was no major show of support, no protests, certainly
Speaker 3: no violence, and that's going to be especially worrisome for Trump,
Speaker 3: considering his strength is derived from the optics that his
Speaker 3: supporters will heed his every back and call. Once that
Speaker 3: illusion is pierced, it becomes clear that Trump's power is
Speaker 3: built on a house of cards and starting to come down.
Speaker 2: And while MSNBC thinks Trump's days are number back here
Speaker 2: in Australia, our journalists have a different take.
Speaker 4: Say they're worried about the leadership in the United States.
Speaker 4: Whatever the result in November's election. Even before Donald Trump
Speaker 4: became a convicted felon six in ten, Australians were concerned
Speaker 4: about him returning to the wine house. According to a
Speaker 4: new pole commissioned by Q and A, it's a big
Speaker 4: year for elections India, the UK and of course America,
Speaker 4: and the results will have implications for the future of
Speaker 4: democracy itself.
Speaker 2: Democracy itself. That does sound serious and where have I
Speaker 2: heard that kind of rhetoric before.
Speaker 5: Arnold Trump wants to destroy not only the city but
Speaker 5: the country, and eventually he could destroy the world and
Speaker 5: elections forget about it.
Speaker 1: That's over, that's done.
Speaker 6: If he gets in I can tell you right now
Speaker 6: he will never leave.
Speaker 2: But surely the media is not just following the lead
Speaker 2: of crazy actors. The media would never be inflammatory. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a serious issue Q and A have just
Speaker 2: the democracy is on the line. So I look forward
Speaker 2: to this very serious analysis of that very real.
Speaker 1: Threat, because, as Nick said, the media just endlessly obsessed
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 3: I never want to hear the words Donald Trump ever.
Speaker 1: Again in my life. Yeah, and as someone who is living, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting part of the problem. I am part
Speaker 1: of the problem. And every time they do it. I
Speaker 1: think I'm giving this day. Yeah, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: where is the point?
Speaker 4: Where is the point?
Speaker 1: But the point is people love me?
Speaker 2: Now, bring in the panel, Darren. Thanks for joining us
Speaker 2: on the show. For Q and A to assert that
Speaker 2: democracy is on the line and then to transition to
Speaker 2: some asonine impersonations of Donald Trump. It seems to me
Speaker 2: like they're not taking their own fears too seriously.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the well, nobody doubts the sincerity of
Speaker 6: the jurors in the case. I think many American voterism
Speaker 6: and a lot of people around the world will conclude
Speaker 6: that while Trump may be a bit of a cad,
Speaker 6: it doesn't actually the case. The judgment doesn't disqualify him
Speaker 6: from running the White House again. And I think with
Speaker 6: this legal action, which a lot of people perceive to
Speaker 6: be a tool for a political agenda on part of
Speaker 6: the Democrats, what it really does is just open up
Speaker 6: another kind of destabilizing period in American politics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James, let's bring you in. What do you make
Speaker 2: for Do you think Donald Trump is a very real
Speaker 2: threat to democracy? And do you think by publishing an
Speaker 2: effective impersonation of him, Q and A is going to that.
Speaker 1: Ten seconds so well, he's done it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, But like I mean, the whole thing about
Speaker 7: the American democracy. People do tend to forget that America
Speaker 7: was literally involved in the Civil War. As to whether
Speaker 7: or not America can survive four years of Trump presidency,
Speaker 7: they literally survived the Civil War and they're still in America.
Speaker 7: So I think those concerns are a bit over the top.
Speaker 7: But the problem that the freakouts like Q and A
Speaker 7: have and their sister freakouts over in the US have
Speaker 7: is that I think it actually fuels Trump's base. In
Speaker 7: that twenty sixteen Trump was the outside of candidate. He
Speaker 7: was there to shake things up, and you know the
Speaker 7: system that works against you. He's going to come in
Speaker 7: like a wrecking ball and everything's going to be different.
Speaker 7: And in twenty twenty you're no longer the outside of candidate.
Speaker 7: You're the sitting president. And in twenty twenty four you're
Speaker 7: also the former president. You're not an outsider. Now that
Speaker 7: there's a legal case against him and all those same
Speaker 7: threat to democracy, this is the birth of fascism. We're
Speaker 7: all worried he becomes the outsider again. Now the phrase
Speaker 7: convicted fellon Maybe that alienates true true neutrals in Trump v.
Speaker 1: Biden.
Speaker 7: But if you're a Republican vote and you go, I
Speaker 7: don't really want to vote for Trump, but then this happens,
Speaker 7: they are actually out to get us. That is a
Speaker 7: motivating factor for people to get out and vote for him.
Speaker 7: So I think freak outs like what we just saw
Speaker 7: there aren't doing themselves any.
Speaker 2: Favors you could have, not playing in the Republican's favor.
Speaker 2: And it's something interesting from that Q AND episode as well,
Speaker 2: Patricia Carvella cited the figure of six out of ten
Speaker 2: Australians are concerned about Trump. You have to wait till
Speaker 2: halfway through the show before she explained that fifty two
Speaker 2: percent or five out of ten Australians were worried about
Speaker 2: Joe Biden taking offers.
Speaker 1: So shows as.
Speaker 2: Everyone's worried no matter which way it goes either one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 6: And the truth of the matter is that what American
Speaker 6: boaches ready care about is immigration, jobs, economy. Those are
Speaker 6: the issues that matter. And I think by the time
Speaker 6: the election comes around this this case will be forgotten about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, well, let's move on now to a
Speaker 2: crisis at nine, which just got a whole lot worse
Speaker 2: yesterday when cher Peter Costello appeared to shoulder charge a
Speaker 2: journalist to the ground.
Speaker 8: Were you aware of the allegations against mister Wick before
Speaker 8: he left nine?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 8: Were you aware of those allegations? Mister Costillo? Why won't
Speaker 8: you support mister sneezebe publicly good to see? Well, you've
Speaker 8: got to answer the questions, mister Costello. It's great.
Speaker 1: You've just assaulted.
Speaker 8: You've just assaulted me.
Speaker 2: The reporter was the Australians Liam Mendez. And if you
Speaker 2: think he went too hard in his pursuit of Costello,
Speaker 2: as I have seen a lot of commentary suggests, keep
Speaker 2: in mind that Costello is the boss of nine. It's
Speaker 2: the company which brings us scenes like this one from
Speaker 2: last week all the time that was.
Speaker 1: Anything I'm not here to answer question yep.
Speaker 2: From this reaction, it's hard to believe he wanted anything
Speaker 2: to do with this.
Speaker 1: Hands off, hands of hands off.
Speaker 2: Costello is a big boy and his reporters play the
Speaker 2: game just as hard as anyone else. So what did
Speaker 2: Costello say about the incident? Well, for them, it was
Speaker 2: all a simple accident.
Speaker 6: A reporter walking backwards with his phone filming as I
Speaker 6: walked past him, he walked back into an advertising placard
Speaker 6: and he fell over. I did not strike him.
Speaker 2: Gee, it must have been a fairly transparent placard because
Speaker 2: you could not see it on the video, and that's
Speaker 2: not how multiple witnesses described the event. But whoever you
Speaker 2: back in this blue, one thing's for sure. It was
Speaker 2: big news and well done to the Sydney Morning Herald
Speaker 2: for not shying away from this fact. They ran the
Speaker 2: story digitally within an hour of the incident and even
Speaker 2: published this front page in the morning. And interestingly, we
Speaker 2: couldn't help but notice even the SMH wasn't buying the
Speaker 2: chair of their own company's excuse. Costello assaults reporter. Now,
Speaker 2: those tiny quote marks do little to water down the assertion,
Speaker 2: and it raises the question if Nine's own publishing arm
Speaker 2: things Costello likely told a porky. How does the bloke
Speaker 2: keep his job? Well, Darren sensational story by The Australian.
Speaker 2: Now linam Mendez is one of your reporters. Can you
Speaker 2: walk me through what he is saying to you guys
Speaker 2: about the shoulder charge? Can you give me any of
Speaker 2: the background, Scoop.
Speaker 6: Well, Liam doesn't want the story to be about Liam.
Speaker 6: Liam wants the story My apologies, Yeah, Liam wants the
Speaker 6: story wait to be about the story which he was
Speaker 6: asking some very personal, important questions about serious misconduct allegations
Speaker 6: that have been leveled by many members of staff at
Speaker 6: Channel nine, and many of them are female members of staff.
Speaker 6: Cassello fronts and chairs a publicly listed company. It's his
Speaker 6: job to answer those questions, and a Liam was doing
Speaker 6: his job as a journalist and behaved in a very
Speaker 6: professional manner. I think it's remarkable that Liam managed to
Speaker 6: get up from being pushed over, gain his composure and
Speaker 6: continue to ask very good, important questions. Now there's a
Speaker 6: good piece actually on this straining his website today by
Speaker 6: Tim Burrows, the publisher of Our Made and Media Remarking outlet,
Speaker 6: And what Tim says is really really interesting. He makes
Speaker 6: a couple of points. One is he questions Cassello's behavior
Speaker 6: after the sharp pointing out that he doesn't actually ask
Speaker 6: how Liam is Lian falls on his back, and that's
Speaker 6: that's quite a serious that's a serious thing, and that
Speaker 6: The second thing that Tim makes a point about is
Speaker 6: that Costello shares a company that every single day asks
Speaker 6: its journalists to go to put them in harm's way
Speaker 6: and ask important questions, and he no longer has the
Speaker 6: moral authority to do that, and he should resign. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's pretty clear from that video that he he chugs Liam.
Speaker 1: That's very, very very clear.
Speaker 6: And as you pointed out, as well as eyewitnesses that
Speaker 6: can corroborate that as well, Liam was just going about
Speaker 6: doing his job as a journalist, and hats off to him.
Speaker 6: It's an important story and the way in which Lim
Speaker 6: behaved was beyond approach.
Speaker 2: You can see Costello's shoulder drop slightly in the moment
Speaker 2: for impact. That to me is quite telling also the witnesses.
Speaker 2: But James Darren raises a good point. There was actually
Speaker 2: a moment in the clip when Liam actually said to Costello, well,
Speaker 2: you're the head of nine, and your nine reporters do
Speaker 2: this all the time. There is a bit of hypocrisy,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think a lot of punters because
Speaker 2: I've read some commentaries saying, well, the reporter shouldn't have
Speaker 2: gotten in front of him.
Speaker 1: The reporter got on the road.
Speaker 2: But that's the game that Costello plays. His media organization
Speaker 2: operates like that. And now that he's got a bit
Speaker 2: of a taste of his own medicine, he appeared to
Speaker 2: lose his cool and allegedly assault this journalist.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a tough one for me because I'm personally
Speaker 7: close to some members of the Costello family and also
Speaker 7: Liam is a friend of the.
Speaker 1: Show that I produce here at Sky.
Speaker 7: So as to what happened, I'll wait for the CCTV
Speaker 7: to come out the Australians version of the Separuta film.
Speaker 1: We'll go over a frame by frame.
Speaker 7: I will acknowledge that if you have to give a
Speaker 7: second doorstop after your first door stop, the first door stop.
Speaker 1: Probably didn't go the way you were wanting it to.
Speaker 1: So I'll leave that one there.
Speaker 7: But the other thing that I'm noticing about this story,
Speaker 7: and Paul Murray pointed it out in his show last night,
Speaker 7: is that at the second doorstop, where Costello talks about
Speaker 7: the incident, no reporter mentions any of the questions that
Speaker 7: Liam was rightfully asking Peter Costello.
Speaker 1: They're all about, you know, did you show the charge,
Speaker 1: did you strike? What's next?
Speaker 7: So if I'm Andrew Giles, for instance, I'm seeing, Okay,
Speaker 7: this is how I can change the conversation, Like maybe
Speaker 7: next time he's a depressor. Does he just launch himself
Speaker 7: with the first journalist knowing that no one's going to
Speaker 7: follow up with a question about ZD and ees.
Speaker 1: All they need to do is just ask them about
Speaker 1: the shoulder charge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good point, and you're already touched
Speaker 2: on this a little bit. But their share price is plummeting.
Speaker 2: And one of the allegations, which involves Costello and it
Speaker 2: involves the CEO, Mike Sneezeby, is that shareholder money potentially
Speaker 2: was paid to Darren Wick. Well, they knew they had
Speaker 2: all these allegations hanging over his head. Instead of sacking him,
Speaker 2: they arguably had cause they took shareholder cash and paid
Speaker 2: him a sum. We don't know what it is. It's
Speaker 2: between half a million dollars up to a million by
Speaker 2: some reports. There is an onus on Costello to explain
Speaker 2: that to the shareholder.
Speaker 6: Surely, absolutely, I mean the numbers being speculated are not
Speaker 6: insignificant at a time when the share Chentleman knows halved
Speaker 6: in three years on Sneezebe's watch, So that does take
Speaker 6: some explaining. They've opened an investigation and that will buy
Speaker 6: them more time. But I kind of feel instinctively, and
Speaker 6: it's just my view that that castello will go and
Speaker 6: eventually sneez people go.
Speaker 2: As well, yeah, we'll said, well, there's been shareholder class
Speaker 2: actions over less over negligence leading to dramatic drop, So
Speaker 2: we will see what happens, but plenty more to come
Speaker 2: in the moment. We're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back now to the ABC, which is struggling with
Speaker 2: what seems to be a toxic culture right with bullying
Speaker 2: and sexual harassment. ABC News staff survey reveals one in
Speaker 2: four respondents experience bullying, one in ten was sexually harassed
Speaker 2: over the past two years. Now blossing over the fact
Speaker 2: that the ABC journalist who wrote that headline can't even
Speaker 2: spell the word harassed, which only has one are we
Speaker 2: should take these findings very seriously, even if the sub
Speaker 2: editor didn't. Any other statutory body or government department posting
Speaker 2: these sort of fears would cause an outcry, But for
Speaker 2: the ABC, criticism is always somewhat stifled.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: According to this report, women are twice as likely to
Speaker 2: be bullied at the ABC, and the report found that
Speaker 2: women were reluctant to come forward with complaints after being
Speaker 2: sexually harassed. So what will happen to clean up the
Speaker 2: culture in the ABC well managing director David Anderson says
Speaker 2: the bullies and sexual harasses should leave, but that is
Speaker 2: yet to be seen. Yeah, well, Darren, this is a
Speaker 2: very serious issue. And I make the point that if
Speaker 2: this happened at another organization there would be some call
Speaker 2: for an inquiry. But those kind of stats, they speak
Speaker 2: to a systemic issue, an issue of culture where women
Speaker 2: aren't feeling confident to step up. And what I didn't
Speaker 2: see from David Anderson is some kind of resolution for
Speaker 2: that issue. And for him to come out and say
Speaker 2: you will get rid of you if you're not following
Speaker 2: the rules, that to me doesn't seem to address the
Speaker 2: core issue that people have not felt comfortable to speak up,
Speaker 2: presumably because of some sort of retribution.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, women have a right to feel safe in a
Speaker 6: work environment, and this survey has revealed some really staggering,
Speaker 6: alarming numbers. I was quite shocked when I read the
Speaker 6: report and went back and read the report again, and
Speaker 6: this morning when I came in and I learned that
Speaker 6: we were discussing this topic today, I did some research
Speaker 6: to find out what actions they were taking as you say,
Speaker 6: and I kept feeling like I was missing the story
Speaker 6: or had some incomplete information because there was no inquiry.
Speaker 6: There were some statements from the chairman and the managining
Speaker 6: director condemning that bad behavior in a workplace, but it
Speaker 6: felt to me and maybe they've corrected this since that
Speaker 6: wasn't there's no inquiry that there are no remedies actions.
Speaker 6: What are they doing to make people and particularly female
Speaker 6: start at the OBC feel safe going forward, and what
Speaker 6: are they doing to give them the confidence to actually
Speaker 6: speak up and bring these problems to the attention of
Speaker 6: senior management.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And to be fair to the ABC, this is not
Speaker 2: a problem which is isolated to that newsroom or even
Speaker 2: newsrooms in general. Every other business is grappling with how
Speaker 2: to deal with this. But for people watching on to
Speaker 2: bad behavior in the media, we've had the Channel seven allegations.
Speaker 2: We've had massages put on company cards, three hundred dollars
Speaker 2: t bone stakes, you know, prostitutes, arguably that kind of culture.
Speaker 2: Channel seven, Channel nine, we've had the culture with Darren
Speaker 2: Wick allegations. There must be people watching at home saying, God,
Speaker 2: what on earth are these self righteous journalists doing behind
Speaker 2: closed doors.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the reason that the ABC should be held to
Speaker 7: a higher account is because these are the people that
Speaker 7: for years morally lecture us from on high I mean
Speaker 7: just recently we've been told our a racist country by
Speaker 7: an ABC journalist. Recently, you know, last year we had
Speaker 7: the Voice shut down at threats, and stories like this
Speaker 7: come out and they just show you that their moral certainty,
Speaker 7: their moral high ground, is built on false foundations.
Speaker 1: And I'm reminded by and I'm not.
Speaker 7: Comparing this, it's a completely different situation, but I'm reminded
Speaker 7: when I read Ronan Pharaoh's book on his reporting on
Speaker 7: the Harvey Weinstein trial, and he talks about what he
Speaker 7: was hearing from women with completely blanking on the name here.
Speaker 7: I've got a written down it is Mel Streep. Sorry
Speaker 7: for that, but he talks about with Mel Streep. He
Speaker 7: puts all the stuff he's hearing to Merl Streep and
Speaker 7: she goes, oh, but he donates to such good causes,
Speaker 7: And I just go like, isn't that just relevatory of
Speaker 7: how well, if someone's got the morally correct things on
Speaker 7: moracally correct.
Speaker 5: Views on certain issues, we ignore things about He's one
Speaker 5: of us. He thinks one of us, so you can
Speaker 5: give you a pass. I think there is a bit
Speaker 5: of that as well. I think as well there is
Speaker 5: a bad trend with companies where they put out this
Speaker 5: corporate statement acknowledging they have issues, and the acknowledgment they
Speaker 5: think is enough. You saw it in America with universities
Speaker 5: saying that they were we acknowledge we have systemically racist ties,
Speaker 5: and then there was the argument, well then why are
Speaker 5: you taxpayer funded? And you could also make that argument
Speaker 5: here if you have such a systemic issue, and it's
Speaker 5: great that you're commissioning these reports and putting it out,
Speaker 5: but if you're finding that we're paying for that, fix
Speaker 5: it up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, those should be bringing in an external, independent
Speaker 6: investigator to have a look into these complaints, and should be.
Speaker 2: They're released four out of ten people alleging that being
Speaker 2: bullied by ABC management and their peers. It's absurd to
Speaker 2: do anything less. But anyway, let's move on. The Safety
Speaker 2: Commissioner Julie Evan Grant has been forced into a humiliating
Speaker 2: retreat from her fight with Elon Musk, granting the billionaire
Speaker 2: of major victory against her bid to censor the global Internet. Now,
Speaker 2: we've covered this issue on the show a few times.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Grant's overreach was bizarre, illogical, and embarrassing.
Speaker 2: The language that she uses is inflammatory and there is
Speaker 2: an arrogance about this person which delegities her mission.
Speaker 1: The battle has been lost.
Speaker 2: I made a strategic decision to withdraw here, but.
Speaker 5: The e Safety Commissioner warns the fight is just beginning.
Speaker 3: Let's face it, the war is going to be much
Speaker 3: longer and more extended.
Speaker 2: The war. Who do you think you are? You are
Speaker 2: not a soldier. The courts were clearly poised to side
Speaker 2: against you because it is not your place to decide
Speaker 2: what content is shown in other countries, they have sovereignty
Speaker 2: and make up their own minds. And it was strange
Speaker 2: and suspicious that Grant has done nothing to censor the
Speaker 2: constant images of war from Ukraine and Gaza which are
Speaker 2: flooding social media. Her outrage over showing vision of a
Speaker 2: radicalized Muslim allegedly attacking a preacher did not extend to
Speaker 2: other content areas. How much of your money did this
Speaker 2: full waste taking on this unwinnable legal position, Well, Darren,
Speaker 2: the main issue that I have with the E Safety
Speaker 2: Commissioner's approach to this is she was probably never going
Speaker 2: to win it. The conversation the court centered around jurisdiction
Speaker 2: and is it fair do we have the power to
Speaker 2: tell another country can we go, Oh, Lithuania, we don't
Speaker 2: want you to see this video that originated from Sydney.
Speaker 2: But also why would we even try to do that?
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't we be focusing on what Australians can see?
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I do get that there are legitimate concerns
Speaker 6: from security agencies about copycat attacks. At the same time,
Speaker 6: it's probably not an interest of a fair trial for
Speaker 6: the accused of the unedited footage to be available on
Speaker 6: the Internet. But with this one, I think what we're
Speaker 6: seeing really is that the federal governments just tiptoeing around
Speaker 6: Muslim extremism. And that's really linked to the fact that
Speaker 6: there are large numbers of Muslim voters in labor seats,
Speaker 6: and I think that's really what's going on here in
Speaker 6: the background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, James, I a cynical part of me
Speaker 2: would tend to agree as well, because you have images
Speaker 2: of babies which have been horrifically blast to pieces, which
Speaker 2: are finding the way into social media and Australians are
Speaker 2: watching that and it is confronting, and it's far more
Speaker 2: confronting than that. So where using a selective lens to
Speaker 2: pick what Australians can see. And it appears to me
Speaker 2: that the narrative behind it does matter. And so the
Speaker 2: narrative of the guards and injuries are well, Israel's doing
Speaker 2: a bad thing. She's happy for that that narrative to exist,
Speaker 2: but she's not happy with the narrative of radicalized Islamic
Speaker 2: terrorists to be shown.
Speaker 7: I might add cynicism your cynicism here because I think
Speaker 7: it was more okay if you're the labor government, if'
Speaker 7: Julian mcgrint you want power over what people can spread
Speaker 7: on the internet because you feed this information and you
Speaker 7: know the public gets a bit queasy with that. But
Speaker 7: when you have scenes outside the church like we saw,
Speaker 7: you might have the starting pista to be like, well,
Speaker 7: I think the whole public we'd never want to see
Speaker 7: that again. So why don't you just give me the
Speaker 7: power to say what videos can go out. I'll take
Speaker 7: the interest in it, and then no one will be
Speaker 7: able to see those videos.
Speaker 1: And we're we going to see a Wakely Church scene.
Speaker 7: Ever again, now that is something that the Australian public
Speaker 7: could agree with, and that is what I think they
Speaker 7: were trying to get. So I'm glad that this is gone.
Speaker 7: I think it was stupid. It was ever brought in,
Speaker 7: but she says there was not over. I don't think
Speaker 7: it is because when Albanez he's asked about this, he
Speaker 7: says about Elon Musk, he's in social media, but he
Speaker 7: does have a social responsibility in order to have that
Speaker 7: social license to say that there's a social responsibility to
Speaker 7: say that there's a social license. That's not how you
Speaker 7: speak about a company in a free market. That is
Speaker 7: how you speak about someone you view as a subject.
Speaker 7: To say, I'm giving you the license to have Twitter
Speaker 7: in this country, you have a responsibility to me to
Speaker 7: prove that you should be able to operate it.
Speaker 1: That's the framework he's putting it.
Speaker 7: That makes me scared that when this isn't the last
Speaker 7: we're going to hear from Julian m Grant's about misinformation.
Speaker 2: Darren Stories of the Week, what do you have for us?
Speaker 6: Sorry from the US, but an NBA player who plays
Speaker 6: for the Mavericks Dallas Mavericks Luka Donnick. I'm twenty five
Speaker 6: years old. He sets to earn a billion dollars in
Speaker 6: his career, more than Lebron James, who's still playing, and
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan combined. He might earn more this season than
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan earned in his entire career. And it just
Speaker 6: speaks to the power of live television, whether it's news,
Speaker 6: which you guys do so well, or whether it's sports,
Speaker 6: And in an age of kind of chord cutters and streamers,
Speaker 6: that the importance to advertisers and viewers of appointment viewing,
Speaker 6: whether it's live sport or news, just grows and grows
Speaker 6: and grows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said James, what do you have for us?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: And Luca has to win this year because beating the
Speaker 7: Celtics system moral challenge that all of us need to
Speaker 7: be a part of.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we're talking about that. My one.
Speaker 7: So, John Ross is a Republican congressman. He was giving
Speaker 7: a speech in Congress today and no one paid any
Speaker 7: attention to what he was saying, because well, you'll figure
Speaker 7: it out pretty.
Speaker 9: Quickly, regardless of one's opinion of the current Republican nominee.
Speaker 9: We'd be well served to remember the long and cherished
Speaker 9: tradition we have in this country of settling our political
Speaker 9: differences at the ballot box for nearly two and a
Speaker 9: half centuries.
Speaker 7: I thought Anne Ellie was the queen of Question Time reactions,
Speaker 7: but you might have a new challenge.
Speaker 2: Of James Bolt. It's always a pleasure, Darren Davidson, thanks
Speaker 2: for joining me. That's all we have time for tonight.
Speaker 2: But up next is a lefties losing it with Rita
Speaker 2: Panahe