WEBVTT - #1974 Outsourcing Our Thinking - Kelly & Harps 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.759 I get a champs. It's Harps, it's Kelly, it's Kelly Smith, 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.240 it's Craig Harper, it's you project. It's a Sunday, it's 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.920 one o five in the PM. I'd be doing it 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.000 one o five in the am. That'd be that'd be unusual. 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.240 It's a beautiful day in Melbourne. It's a beautiful day, Kelly, 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:16.040 isn't it. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.520 It's a stunning day. I've been down the beach already, 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.520 had a bit of a wonder and it's just lovely. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.440 There's a really nice vibe outside. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.759 How far do you live from the beach? Like to 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:28.720 walk five minutes? Two hours? 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.879 Five minute walk to the beach, very lucky. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.920 I'm the same. I'm probably about an eight minute walk. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.960 And it's just something therapeutic for a boy who grew 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.519 up in the wilderness. I love. I love the ocean, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.920 and I love the forests and trees and farms and shit. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.760 And I don't know about where did you grow up? 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:58.120 So I was split between so broadmeadows, which is you know, 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:03.480 there's not a beach inside, and then grandparents lived down 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.520 the coast groad Ocean road, and so that has just 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:11.160 given me this wonderful love of the beach. And then yeah, 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.440 my dad lived over this side and I moved over here. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.319 So when I was a kid, I detested the city 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.679 because I never lived in the city at all, anywhere 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:26.720 near the city till I was probably nineteen, because I 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:31.600 moved from Latro Valley, which is you know, it's not bush, 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.800 but it's a country. You know, there are towns there. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.920 I moved from there to a place called Bundary Bumbry, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.520 which is south of Perth on the Wa coast, and 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.600 that was pretty small townsville. But then I started living 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.960 in Melbourne when I was about nineteen. But when I 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.360 was a kid and I used to come up to 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.240 the city from the bush, it used to stink to me, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.440 like I used to think the whole place smelt like 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.320 the cars smelt, the city smelt every and I just 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.080 thought it was disgusting and chaotic, and I couldn't It's 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.640 funny now I live in the middle of suburbia, but 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.280 I couldn't understand why people would choose to live in 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:09.760 a city. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.640 It's an interesting one. I quite like a lot of 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:17.360 city scapes. I like cities at night. I like the 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.480 buzz of an early morning in the city when everyone's 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.760 getting their coffee and it's just waking up. But yeah, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.560 the city can be quite overwhelming. I was in there 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.960 yesterday with my niece who's thirteen, and she said, I 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.120 just don't like being around all these people, and I thought, yep, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:35.440 I totally get that. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:42.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've had friends of mine that 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:48.520 have stayed at my beach house, which is very very 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:54.360 very very quiet, Like there's no it's like it's like 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.440 the bush meets the coast and there's no street lights, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.000 there's no foot foot paths, there's no gutters. The road's 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.000 pretty shitty, it's kind of bitumen, kind of dirt. It's 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.640 not amazing. But for me it's perfect because it's like 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.160 it's the opposite of where I live, right, and it's 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.240 just at night there's no noise, Like there's absolutely no noise, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:25.440 and especially if you go there through winter because there's 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.640 very very few people live there. Like it's a small place. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.160 I won't say where it is, it doesn't matter, but 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.359 it's not it's not one of those big fancy it's 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:39.880 not Portsy, let's say that, right, God bless Portsy. But yeah, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:42.880 but I've had a few friends go down there and 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.440 they almost go nuts after two days because they just 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.440 can't stand the silence and the solitude and the internet 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.800 connection shit and the phone connection shit, and so they 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.240 can't use their computer, they can't use their phone, and 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.360 they've almost got to come back. Some I mean, some 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.680 people just love it, right, but some people were so 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:07.320 programmed to noise and busyness and mayhem and distraction, and yeah, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.840 to have real solitude, I think for some people is 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:13.280 a bit of a challenge. 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.520 I think so, I think it can be quite scary 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:21.040 and very unknown. But that very much leads into the 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:25.160 question that I had for you today. I'm quite interested 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.880 at the moment. I listened to a podcast a few 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.200 weeks ago where they were talking about kind of slowing 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:37.080 down to speed up your thought processes, your productivity, your creativity, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.719 and it got me thinking how when I was younger, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.880 for instance, I would I would always be creating something, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.719 I'd be drawing, i'd be writing, and quite often i'd 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.640 be daydreaming. So just all of these thoughts going around 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.280 my head. And even now I think people might go, oh, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.000 I had a thought in the shower that I want 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.400 to share. You know, I've had this thought where my 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:04.159 mind was just allowed to run free. And it's like, well, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.159 with everything that we're feeding our brains at the moment, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.960 you know, we're all we're online in some way. It's 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.040 very hard to switch off because it's giving you that 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.160 hit every time you get a like or a comment 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:21.479 or there's something new. What's what's in it when you 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.760 just kind of switch off, Like if you go to 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.040 a place where there's no internet connection, there's no phone, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:32.000 it's just radio silence. What's the benefit and how important 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.000 is it? And really how much should we do it? 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:34.559 Do you think? 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.480 Yeah, when as you were asking this, by the way, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.000 everyone we don't we don't set up these questions, so 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.240 I don't know what questions are coming. Kelly's going to 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.920 ask me a bunch of stuff today, so I don't 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.600 get sent through a list of questions. So this is 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.760 all very freestyle and organic. But as you were asking that, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:59.159 I was thinking the inference is almost like not from you, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.080 but in general, like it depends on the context. But 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.200 how are you busy? Like we wear the busy badge, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.080 Oh mate, so busy, so busy. And then when when 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.159 I think about a busy mind, I think you can 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:17.000 have busy good and busy bad. You know, to me, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:21.679 busy bad is overthinking, Busy bad is anxiety, Busy bad 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:27.640 is ruminating. Busy bad bad is fear based. It's unproductive, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:34.640 it's destructive, it's distracting. And then busy productive could be 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.400 I'm in flow, I'm in flow, I'm in a flow state, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.200 I'm writing this song, I'm writing this story, and I 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.560 just you know, you've sat down where like you're you're 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.920 a writer, you sit down and sometimes you write when 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.400 you're in flow. When you're in that space, your mind's busy, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.560 but in a healthy way. It's creating, it's producing, it's inventing, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.400 you know, and the stuff comes out of you in 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.640 an hour that would take somebody else twenty four hours 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.080 or forty eight hours, or that'd never be able to 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.160 do it. And so for me, there are times when 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.600 I'm in a busy good place or a busy bad place, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:22.120 productive or unproductive, creative or destructive, anxious or calm. Like 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:27.240 I can be busy in my mind but still quite calm. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.400 So I think it depends on the output of the busyness, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:37.400 which sounds weird, but then it's almost like, you know, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.720 people say things a lot like, oh, you know, when 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.160 I have the best ideas and they go when I'm 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.520 in the shower and I go, or they go, I 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.640 have the best ideas when I'm running, I go, Guess 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.520 what you're not doing. When you're running, You're not fucking 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.960 staring at your phone and scrolling on social media. You're 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.560 not distracted. Guess what you're doing when you're in the shower. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.720 You're not looking at your phone. You're not You've just 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.880 got space and you've just got time. So I would 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.640 think there's an obvious correlation between getting away from distractions, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.840 and I think that and this is I'm actually saying 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.840 this to myself as much as any listener, because I 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.680 can absolutely fall down the old rabbit hole and look 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.600 up an hour later and I've just been looking at 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:28.120 bullshit which has had my total attention for zero gain 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.320 other than maybe a little bit of enjoyment, maybe depending 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.480 on what I'm looking at. And I think there's probably 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.120 a time where you can do that, But I think 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.880 you need to do that consciously rather than unconsciously, and 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.839 intentionally rather than unintentionally, so that you say, well, I'm 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.520 going to get you know, lots like I get to 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.640 the cafe at ten past six, and I often what 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.640 say to myself, all right, I'm going to fuck around 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.120 till six thirty, So six point thirty is my fuck 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.880 around time. Twenty minutes. Look at bullshit, look at videos, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.400 good dumb shit. Let's see what bloody you know Snoop 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.160 Dog's up to. Let's see what he is up to. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.720 Let's see let's see, you know, a motorbike with a 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.400 thousand horsepower. Let's fucking look at that. Let's look at 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.080 some blokes fighting in a car park. Let's do that 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.959 and then and then maybe try and do something productive. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.559 But I am getting better and better at that where 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.200 I'm aware of what we're talking about. So but I 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:35.120 think consciously having time to disconnect from you know, I mean, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.040 then this is no revelation. I feel like this has 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.240 been said a thousand times, but intentionally and practically and 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.000 consciously doing it. We say I'm not going to look 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.079 at my phone before this time, or I'm going to 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.720 get up and I'm going to, like I do you know, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.679 I'm going to use my phone. But then between seven 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.600 and nine pm, I'm not going to touch social media. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.400 Look at social seven am and nine am. I should say, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.400 so two hours where I'm play the day, I'm doing work, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.439 I'm responding to emails, or I'm walking at the beach 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.680 and I'm looking at the ocean, or I'm ringing my mum, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:11.280 or I'm cleaning the house or whatever it is. But 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.400 just where you recognizing the things that for you can 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.040 over time become anchors to your progress, and then dealing 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:21.360 with that. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.480 Yeah, that's a good point and a nice way to 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.559 frame it, isn't it. The anchors to your progress. I'm 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.280 also thinking that you have a very different algorithm to me. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.520 I never get blokes fighting in car parks. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.800 I get heaps of that stuff. I get heaps of that. 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.800 I get all kinds of I get lots of bodybuilding 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.160 and weightlifting stuff and blokes fighting and car parks and motorbikes. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.679 And then of course I get every fucking pseudo scientist 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.679 in the world and their theory on everything. It's a 0:10:55.800 --> 0:11:01.520 very eclectic. Somebody said to me the other day day, Ah, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.000 who just put out a new album? Is it Taylor Swift? 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.520 Is it's coming up? I think, yeah, right, Oh my god, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:13.240 has your social media been inundated with Taylor Swift new album? 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.840 I go I didn't know she had a new album. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:18.600 So I'm going to go hard no. And they're like, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.079 what do you mean? And I said, I have no 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.520 knowledge of what you're talking about there, like but it's 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.560 all over the place. It's just the only thing on 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.640 my phone. And I went, well, that's a reflection of 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.320 what you look at, and what do I look at? 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.080 Because yeah, you just told me about this thing, which 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.800 is fine, but it's yeah, I think, And that's the 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:43.520 you know, that's the the intention behind social media platforms 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.480 is they want to engage you. They want to addict you, 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.280 they want to get you plugged in that I want 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.120 you to unplug of course, because the more time you 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.800 spend on their platform, the more commercially viable that is 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.480 for them. And so why would they want you to 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.720 go away? So of course, you know, and this is 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.280 and this is no revelation. They know what you like 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:01.920 to look at, so they give you what you like 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.880 to look at, and they know you vote this way, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.040 so they give you stuff that reverberates beautifully in your 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.640 echo chamber and you know, strokes your cognitive bias, you know, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.760 and so you go, oh, yeah, look we are all right, Yeah, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.600 go us. You know, it's it's super smart. It's super 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.160 fucking potentially destructive, but it's very smart. I mean they're 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.520 trying to sell something. Everyone's trying to sell something. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.360 It's super smart and borderline, well not even borderline, but 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.679 super scary. So I was talking to some friends about 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.960 this last night and I said, I was at the 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:39.439 hairdressers and you know, flicking through TikTok and I started 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.839 at one point which was just you know, where can 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.079 I go for a walk in a certain location. And 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:50.480 then suddenly, within you know, half an hour, it had 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.840 led me down this rabbit hole based on what had 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.600 my attention for you know, more than thirty seconds or 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.520 a minute. And I was all the way down this 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.920 other pathway of something that I did find it quite interesting, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.600 but I certainly didn't search for it. And I was like, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.640 oh my god, this has figured out what I like 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:17.680 within thirty minutes and incredibly smart. Absolutely, but you know, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.520 John Connor and the terminators are going to be coming 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.959 quite soon. I'm pretty sure of that. It's it's a 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:25.880 bit scary, yeah. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.000 Very I was at the gym. I stayed with the Crab, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.959 my training partner, and Johnny, the much loved Johnny who 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:35.120 you know, both of them, and we're having a conversation 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:42.719 about nicotine. So nicotine patches that some people use, Now 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.400 there's not a suggestion or a recommendation anyone, and Nicorette 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:53.119 or similar gum and knowing that or on the assumption 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:57.960 that nicotine can be a cognitive enhancer anyway, we're talking 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.359 about you know that people start stuff that. The conversation 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.520 was that, yeah, well I get it, but they're also 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.000 you know, it's a sympathetic nervous system stimulant, and it 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.880 might do something for a little while, but you keep 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.760 doing it, then it doesn't do anything. Then you've got 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.640 to take four miligrams, not two. Then you've got to 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.880 take eight, not four. Then and so on and so 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.560 and then eventually you're taking a fucking million miligrams to 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.560 get the same response as you did originally with two milligrams, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.160 because you've shut down your receptors and fucking you fuck 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.240 fuck right, all this shit that no one's interested in 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.360 accept me in these two dummies anyway. So I go, 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:37.480 let's ask chat Chipette about like, what's the how quickly 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.360 does this do ourselves? Kind of our receptors, I should say, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.600 get desensitized and how before it starts to downregulate and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.640 we don't get the same response, And so I open 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.800 up chat GPT and press the talk like I talked 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.600 to it a lot, and it goes, hey, Craig, sounds 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.040 like you guys are talking about nicotine. Yeah, what would 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:03.440 you like to know? I'm like, oh my god, just 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.840 sitting in the gym, it knew what we were talking 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.800 about before I asked it a question. I'm like, that 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.920 shit is listening to me. That shit is and that's anyway, 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.640 all right, let's it's it's scary, but it's it's where 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.840 we're going. And I think this is my last bit 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.200 before you asked me another question. I think people are 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:34.040 quite rightly, ah, curious and a bit fearful and a 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.760 bit kind of hesitant. I understand all of that. I 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:43.640 think we need to think about if we are going 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.520 to use AI, and we all are, even if we 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.800 don't want to. It's like everyone who goes fuck it, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.960 I'm never using it. I don't think you understand what's coming. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.320 It's going to be pretty much impossible to do life 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.240 without using some kind of AI in some capacity unless 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.840 you live on an island by yourself. But I think 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.760 it's trying to figure out how do I use this thing? 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.960 How do I use this thing in a way where 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.400 it's not controlling me, I'm controlling it. It's a helpful 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.800 and practical resource, you know. I think, like a lot 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.280 of things in life, how we use it is the issue, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.960 not what we use. You know. It's like, nothing wrong 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.000 with booze. I don't drink booze, but there's nothing wrong 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.880 with booze if you have a little bit now and then. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.480 For most people anyway, unless you're an alcoholic, then it's 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.160 probably you know, wise to not drink at all for 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.080 obvious reasons. But for most people, bit of booze fine. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.360 For most people. Bit of junk food fine, junk food 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.600 all the time, not fine. Booze all the time not fine. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.440 Being totally obsessed with and distracted by food or booze 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.000 or gambling or even money, right, it just tends to 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.840 be destructive down the track. So I think it depends 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.680 on this as a weird term, but it's about the 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.200 kind of relationship we have with whatever the thing is, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.600 you know. So it's a resource to kind of manipulate 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.560 and optimize in terms of what's going to work best 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:16.080 for you. But it is that And David Gillespie has 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.840 spoken many times about this the problem or the challenge 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.840 with these things where we we press the button and 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.600 we get this dopamine response, like, ah, I eat food, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.280 I feel fucking great. I drink a bit of booze. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.440 I have a cigarette, I get twenty seven extra likes 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.919 on the post that I put up. I get a 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:36.879 dopamine response. And dopamine is a very addictive chemical, you know, 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.280 and so we get addicted to the dopamine that's produced 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.239 by the thing that we use or do, and that 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:49.879 is when it starts to get like real chemically addictive 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.879 where we need to go hang on, I need to 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.679 I almost need to do a detox. And it's like 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.880 there's I've seen I was going to say countless, not countless, 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:05.119 but probably ten to fifteen videos where parents are taking 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.359 away their screens from their kid because their kids be 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.639 coming out of control, whether or not it's a phone 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.080 or an iPad or similar or whatever, and they're just going, Okay, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:21.440 you can't have it for twelve hours and the absolute 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:27.840 tantrums and craziness, and it's just analogous to a drug 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:31.280 addict who can't get access to drugs, like they totally 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.359 lose their shit, and you go, wow, we need to 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.320 think about what this is and we need to get 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.159 ahead of it because it can only control us if 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.800 we let it control us. So there's that You're still 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.000 the boss of you. You still make the decisions, you 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.119 still choose what you do and don't do. But eventually 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.359 it does it or it can get to a point 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.800 where that control tends to slip if we're not really 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.200 aware and really diligent. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:04.159 Yeah, it almost seems too that it's a certain amount 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.879 of laziness that's slipping in with this as well, and 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.760 that you can just ask something like chat GPT or 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.840 whatever version it is that you use, what's the answer 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.920 to this instead of you know, having that thought process 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.120 for yourself or even having that conversation with someone else. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:26.480 And so it makes me think, well, is this actually 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:33.840 an opportunity to be pushing out more creative projects, more 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.359 kind of more ideas because so many people are now 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.439 relying on the AI and they're just leaning into that 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.359 and they might change something here and there and make 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.600 it their own. Sure, if that's how they want to work, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.000 you know, go for it. But for those of us 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.840 who do chase that bit of creativity is it almost 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.080 feels like an opportunity to be putting new things out there. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.639 And from what I was listening to the other day, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:05.400 apparently patents, so the amount of patents that are being 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.760 filed at the moment, then the numbers are down and 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.920 the quality of the ideas are not as good as 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.800 they have been like previous years, because so many people 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.760 are reliant on AI for all of their new thoughts, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.879 their new ideas, their answers. So it almost seems to 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.520 be a kind of a flip side of yeah, you 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.280 can lean into that and yeah, you'll get a quick 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.639 answer and you might get something, you know, quite decent 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:37.440 out of it. But will that ever compete with you know, Look, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.120 you go into an art gallery, for instance, and you've 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.200 got all of this beautiful historical art from across the centuries. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.400 What will we have from now, you know, into the future. 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.040 Will it all be digital? Will it all be AI generated? 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.720 Where's that? Yeah? I think it's it's presenting an opportunity 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:02.640 for people to be genuinely creative and productive rather than 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.159 just leaning into the easy version. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:11.840 Yeah, I agree, I agree, and it's almost like outsourcing 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:17.000 your thinking. Yes, you know, I don't need to think. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.240 I don't need to solve this problem. But I'll give 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:24.320 you an example of how I think is a smart 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.760 way to use AI. So I went for walk this morning, 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.719 and I go early, as you know, and it's very quiet, 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.080 so I can walk around suburbia and with my headphones 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.760 on and have a very clear conversation with anyone because 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.200 there's no traffic. So I how to chat with AI. 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:47.800 And I do this quite regularly where it's actually really good, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:52.600 where I'll say and I won't say what it is 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.040 because it's a work in progress. And I said, look, 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.960 I've got an idea, like I. I just talked to 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.879 it first ages I go hey, and it goes, hey, Craig, 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.000 what's up? I go, I want to ask you some stuff? Sure, 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.080 shoot right. It loooks like that. Sometimes it calls me Harps, 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.320 which is hilarious. And I said, so, I've got an 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.480 idea which is kind of the intersection of a commercial 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:23.080 opportunity and an opportunity to help people to do some good, 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:28.080 to do some development, for me to input into the 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.280 lives of others, lives of others, and maybe also create 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.600 something that makes few bucks. So I want to run 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.520 this by you. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, great, I'm 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.600 keen to hear. So I tell it the idea. What 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.720 are the pros and cons of this idea? Don't tell 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.439 me what I want to hear. Don't try and make 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.360 me feel good. If you think this is crap, say 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:55.679 I think it's crap. Now, obviously it's thinking, but not 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.320 in a way that we think, not in a way 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.760 that we really under So I guess we could say 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.760 tech technically it doesn't think, but it is a kind 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:10.160 of intelligence that is super high level. It's not human intelligence, 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.400 but it's a it has got access to you know, everything. 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.720 So then it goes basically, all right, let's start with 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.080 the pros. Let's start with what I like about it, 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.240 and then i'll get halfway through, I'll go hang on, 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.920 hang on, stop and I'll go sure, and then I'll 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.679 go unpack that a bit more. You know. So we 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.120 just spent me and it like we like now we're friends, right, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.119 But I'm asking it good questions. But it's all based 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:40.800 around my ideas. It's all based around my thinking. It's like, sure, 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:45.000 I want to do be create, change this and I 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.640 can use this tool to help me do the thing 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.960 that I thought of that I'm creating. It's not knocking 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:52.679 on my door saying this is what I think you 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.800 should do today. And then we went through, you know, 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.840