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Speaker 1: I get a champs. It's Harps, it's Kelly, it's Kelly Smith,

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Speaker 1: it's Craig Harper, it's you project. It's a Sunday, it's

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Speaker 1: one o five in the PM. I'd be doing it

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Speaker 1: one o five in the am. That'd be that'd be unusual.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful day in Melbourne. It's a beautiful day, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: It's a stunning day. I've been down the beach already,

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Speaker 2: had a bit of a wonder and it's just lovely.

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Speaker 2: There's a really nice vibe outside.

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Speaker 1: How far do you live from the beach? Like to

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Speaker 1: walk five minutes? Two hours?

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Speaker 2: Five minute walk to the beach, very lucky.

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Speaker 1: I'm the same. I'm probably about an eight minute walk.

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Speaker 1: And it's just something therapeutic for a boy who grew

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Speaker 1: up in the wilderness. I love. I love the ocean,

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Speaker 1: and I love the forests and trees and farms and shit.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know about where did you grow up?

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Speaker 2: So I was split between so broadmeadows, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: there's not a beach inside, and then grandparents lived down

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Speaker 2: given me this wonderful love of the beach. And then yeah,

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Speaker 2: my dad lived over this side and I moved over here.

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Speaker 1: So when I was a kid, I detested the city

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Speaker 1: because I never lived in the city at all, anywhere

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Speaker 1: near the city till I was probably nineteen, because I

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Speaker 1: moved from Latro Valley, which is you know, it's not bush,

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Speaker 1: but it's a country. You know, there are towns there.

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Speaker 1: I moved from there to a place called Bundary Bumbry,

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Speaker 1: that was pretty small townsville. But then I started living

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Speaker 1: in Melbourne when I was about nineteen. But when I

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Speaker 1: the city from the bush, it used to stink to me,

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Speaker 1: like I used to think the whole place smelt like

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Speaker 1: thought it was disgusting and chaotic, and I couldn't It's

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Speaker 1: funny now I live in the middle of suburbia, but

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one. I quite like a lot of

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Speaker 2: getting their coffee and it's just waking up. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the city can be quite overwhelming. I was in there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've had friends of mine that

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Speaker 1: very very quiet, Like there's no it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: there's no foot foot paths, there's no gutters. The road's

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Speaker 1: pretty shitty, it's kind of bitumen, kind of dirt. It's

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Speaker 1: not amazing. But for me it's perfect because it's like

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Speaker 1: it's the opposite of where I live, right, and it's

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Speaker 1: just at night there's no noise, Like there's absolutely no noise,

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Speaker 1: and especially if you go there through winter because there's

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Speaker 1: very very few people live there. Like it's a small place.

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Speaker 1: I won't say where it is, it doesn't matter, but

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Speaker 1: they've almost got to come back. Some I mean, some

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Speaker 2: I think so, I think it can be quite scary

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Speaker 2: and very unknown. But that very much leads into the

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Speaker 2: question that I had for you today. I'm quite interested

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Speaker 2: it's just radio silence. What's the benefit and how important

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when as you were asking this, by the way,

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Speaker 1: everyone we don't we don't set up these questions, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know what questions are coming. Kelly's going to

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Speaker 1: all very freestyle and organic. But as you were asking that,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking the inference is almost like not from you,

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Speaker 1: but in general, like it depends on the context. But

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Speaker 1: how are you busy? Like we wear the busy badge,

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Speaker 1: Oh mate, so busy, so busy. And then when when

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Speaker 1: I think about a busy mind, I think you can

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Speaker 1: have busy good and busy bad. You know, to me,

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Speaker 1: busy bad is overthinking, Busy bad is anxiety, Busy bad

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Speaker 1: is ruminating. Busy bad bad is fear based. It's unproductive,

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Speaker 1: I'm in flow, I'm in flow, I'm in a flow state,

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Speaker 1: just you know, you've sat down where like you're you're

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Speaker 1: you're in flow. When you're in that space, your mind's busy,

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Speaker 1: but in a healthy way. It's creating, it's producing, it's inventing,

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Speaker 1: do it. And so for me, there are times when

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Speaker 1: I can be busy in my mind but still quite calm.

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Speaker 1: So I think it depends on the output of the busyness,

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Speaker 1: have the best ideas when I'm running, I go, Guess

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Speaker 1: what you're not doing. When you're running, You're not fucking

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Speaker 1: You're not looking at your phone. You're not You've just

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Speaker 1: think there's an obvious correlation between getting away from distractions,

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Speaker 1: and I think that and this is I'm actually saying

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Speaker 1: can absolutely fall down the old rabbit hole and look

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Speaker 1: up an hour later and I've just been looking at

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Speaker 1: on what I'm looking at. And I think there's probably

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Speaker 1: a time where you can do that, But I think

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Speaker 1: you need to do that consciously rather than unconsciously, and

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Speaker 1: around time. Twenty minutes. Look at bullshit, look at videos,

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Speaker 1: good dumb shit. Let's see what bloody you know Snoop

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Speaker 1: Dog's up to. Let's see what he is up to.

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Speaker 1: Let's see let's see, you know, a motorbike with a

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Speaker 1: some blokes fighting in a car park. Let's do that

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Speaker 1: and then and then maybe try and do something productive.

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Speaker 1: But I am getting better and better at that where

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Speaker 1: I'm aware of what we're talking about. So but I

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Speaker 1: I'm going to use my phone. But then between seven

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point and a nice way to

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Speaker 2: frame it, isn't it. The anchors to your progress. I'm

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Speaker 2: also thinking that you have a very different algorithm to me.

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Speaker 2: I never get blokes fighting in car parks.

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Speaker 1: I get heaps of that stuff. I get heaps of that.

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Speaker 1: I get all kinds of I get lots of bodybuilding

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Speaker 1: And then of course I get every fucking pseudo scientist

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Speaker 1: Is it's coming up? I think, yeah, right, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, you just told me about this thing, which

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the the intention behind social media platforms

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Speaker 1: is they want to engage you. They want to addict you,

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Speaker 1: you to unplug of course, because the more time you

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Speaker 1: go away? So of course, you know, and this is

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Speaker 1: and this is no revelation. They know what you like

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Speaker 1: so they give you stuff that reverberates beautifully in your

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Speaker 1: fucking potentially destructive, but it's very smart. I mean they're

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Speaker 2: I'm using it for my training plans. You know, I

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Speaker 2: plug in, you know what I've been doing, how I've

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Speaker 2: been doing it, and then I say, can you tweak

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Speaker 2: this so that I can progress? And it does, and

429
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Speaker 2: it's great. How much of it? Considering it's it's your

430
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Speaker 2: thought process, it's your input into this very high level intelligence,

431
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Speaker 2: And this could be a very moral question, how much

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Speaker 2: of it are you comfortable in claiming as your own?

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Speaker 2: Out of that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good question, and I don't really

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Speaker 1: I mean, put it this way. I would never do

436
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Speaker 1: that with something i'm writing, like my PhD on whatever

437
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Speaker 1: there's I'll explain to you how I use it in

438
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Speaker 1: my PhD in a moment. But the originating ideas and

439
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: thoughts are mine, Yeah, and the concept is mine. I'm

440
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Speaker 1: using something to work through, just like I would say

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Speaker 1: to you, Kelly, I've got an idea of something. Can

442
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Speaker 1: we meet at twelve o'clock. I want to bounce some

443
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Speaker 1: stuff off you to one o'clock and we would do

444
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Speaker 1: that and I would come out with more clarity. But

445
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's Kelly's project. I'm saying, you know

446
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Speaker 1: she was, She's supported, just like I would do that

447
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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, right, but but no, there's I understand

448
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Speaker 1: where you're going. But I think more and more we're

449
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Speaker 1: going to realize just like using a computer or using Google,

450
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Speaker 1: or using a phone, or using a you know, a

451
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: spray painter, if you're a painter, is you know, these

452
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: are all resources that make our job or our work

453
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Speaker 1: more efficient or more effective, you know, or quicker and

454
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Speaker 1: sometimes better quality. So if though I've got to do

455
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Speaker 1: a paper for year ten whatever, and I type in

456
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Speaker 1: the topic and then chat GPT spits out the paper,

457
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Speaker 1: then I put my name at the top, well you

458
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: know that's no good. Yeah, And that's they're really struggling

459
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Speaker 1: at the moment in academia with trying to figure out

460
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Speaker 1: how the fuck to use because to tell kids not

461
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Speaker 1: to use it good luck, it's like saying don't breathe,

462
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Speaker 1: you want you not to breathe over the weekend because

463
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: it is so sophisticated and there are so many different

464
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Speaker 1: kinds of AI available that they just need to rather

465
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Speaker 1: than say don't use it, they need to figure out

466
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Speaker 1: how it can be integrated, because done the right way,

467
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Speaker 1: it just you know, there are some things that as

468
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Speaker 1: a student, or as an academic or as somebody who's

469
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Speaker 1: like a lifelong learner, doesn't have to be an academic

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Speaker 1: kind of environment. There are really intelligent ways to use

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Speaker 1: this stuff where you're not really cheating, You're just you're

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Speaker 1: just you like, could you organize all of my references? Yeah? Sure,

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Speaker 1: Well it just does it. It just does it in

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Speaker 1: this format, you know. And some might go, no, you

475
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Speaker 1: should do it that way, you should sit there for

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Speaker 1: two hours, and it's like, yeah, but I'm not, you know,

477
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Speaker 1: it's like this is not the best use of my

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Speaker 1: skill or time. You know. So that's that's happening a lot.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: constant work in progress figuring it out.

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Speaker 2: That just reminded me how much I used to really

482
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Speaker 2: hate doing references on my essays.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, take that by a million. But yeah, So

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Speaker 1: the last one I'll say is so about you know,

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Speaker 1: how I use AI is for my PhD, and everyone does,

486
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Speaker 1: by the way, pretty much like, firstly, all of my

487
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Speaker 1: research is original research. So I've done it. I've got

488
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Speaker 1: the ethical approval, I've got the venue, I've got the people,

489
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Speaker 1: I've run the studies, I've analyzed the data. I've written,

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Speaker 1: so all of this is organic, and all of this

491
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Speaker 1: is from my brain, with support, of course, from my crew,

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Speaker 1: you know, my senior supervisor, my second supervisor, and with

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Speaker 1: reviews to the panel where you go and stand in

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Speaker 1: front of the board. Not so this is this ongoing,

495
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Speaker 1: but there are things where you could put I can

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Speaker 1: write a paragraph and I can put that paragraph into

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Speaker 1: probably Claude, which is a more academic AI, and say,

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Speaker 1: don't change this in any way, but could you make

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Speaker 1: it read more smoothly or could you? And sometimes it'll

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Speaker 1: send back something and I go, not, mine's better, do

501
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But it's not rewriting my paper,

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Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, it's not making any decisions, it's

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Speaker 1: not changing anything. It's not you know, I'm not going, oh,

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Speaker 1: I want you to write a thousand words on this,

505
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Speaker 1: and then I just cut and paste it into my thesis.

506
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Speaker 1: Like that's not happening, but that is a risk that

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Speaker 1: universities need to navigate moving forwards. Is how they're going to,

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Speaker 1: you know, stop people from doing a four or five

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Speaker 1: year PhD in six months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely scary. I mean even now, I just think

511
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Speaker 2: I'm very relieved that I didn't have a mobile phone

512
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Speaker 2: when I was in high school because of access to

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Speaker 2: socials and the pressure that would have existed and obviously

514
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: does exist for kids. Now, I feel very relieved that

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Speaker 2: I skip that. So to think that in this current

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Speaker 2: situation where there's so much access and what it can

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Speaker 2: lead to, what it can potentially change, and I guess influence,

518
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Speaker 2: And that's the big thing around all of it, right,

519
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Speaker 2: is the influences. It's quite scary, and I am very

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Speaker 2: grateful that I didn't grow up with it because I

521
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Speaker 2: don't think I would have that passion to be creative

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Speaker 2: that I do have if I was reliant on a machine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, I think I think less is more

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Speaker 1: in that sense. I think you know that when you

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Speaker 1: don't have all that external input and you do need

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Speaker 1: to solve problems and you do need like when you

527
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Speaker 1: think problem solving is actually a creative process, Yep, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's an intellectual process, but it's also a creative process.

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Speaker 1: It's probably one of the few places where intellect and

530
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Speaker 1: creativity really kind of converge because you're trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to do something, and that is of course,

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Speaker 1: that's about the logical rational prefrontal cortex part of the

533
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Speaker 1: brain that's you know, very solution focused. But then you're

534
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Speaker 1: trying to actually think outside the box to fix this problem,

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Speaker 1: which is also a creative thing. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that that, you know, we need to recognize where it

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Speaker 1: needs to stop and start. And I was, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: I won't go into that. I was going to open

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Speaker 1: another door and talk for another five minutes. All right,

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Speaker 1: ask me a question or two. What have you got

541
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Speaker 1: on your list?

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Speaker 2: What have I got on my list? So I was

543
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Speaker 2: having a look at some of the whiteboards that you

544
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: put up and look, my personal favorite, and I actually

545
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: swiped it from you, like literally, you gave it to

546
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Speaker 2: me on a piece of paper is if your action

547
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: can't outlast your motivation, your goal will never be your reality.

548
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Speaker 2: And this, I think is such a good reminder that

549
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Speaker 2: you need to keep working. And it's also something that

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Speaker 2: based on what we've just been discussing. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that AI or socials or you know, the Internet in

552
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Speaker 2: any capacity can give you any form of motivation. Like

553
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Speaker 2: you might see, you might see something that you relate to,

554
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Speaker 2: But I kind of feel like this comes down to

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Speaker 2: what you've got within yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, actually spoke about this in a little bit

557
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Speaker 1: of detail on today's episode. But let's revisit it because

558
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: it's always relevant, right, and so just say it once more.

559
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I think I remember it, but just say it once more.

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Speaker 2: If your action can't outlast your motivation, your goal will

561
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Speaker 2: never be your reality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we know that that, you know, the choice

563
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Speaker 1: as we make and the things that we do create outcomes.

564
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Speaker 1: So action equals an outcome could be a good outcome.

565
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: If you do something dumb, you'll create a shit outcome.

566
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Speaker 1: If you do something smart, you might create a good outcome.

567
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Speaker 1: So it's not like, oh, taking action automatically equals winning. No,

568
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Speaker 1: not at all, because we're always taking actions. It's about

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Speaker 1: the quality of the actions. But there's also there's been

570
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Speaker 1: you know, a really up until recently and probably still

571
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a big kind of collective thought bubble

572
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Speaker 1: that motivation is key, which is why we have motivational

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Speaker 1: books and motivational seminars and motivational speakers and motivational gurus.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, here's the problem though, if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about motivation in the sense that most people understand it,

576
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Speaker 1: which is that feeling, which is that state, which is

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Speaker 1: that excitement, that energy, that focus, you know, that inspiration

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00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: that well, that doesn't last, you know it, It doesn't

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Speaker 1: for most people. It's not a twenty four hour days,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days of the year thing.

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Speaker 1: In fact, not for anyone I've ever met. And I

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Speaker 1: think the human condition is that typically if we're talking

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Speaker 1: about motivation as that as that kind of emotion and

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00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: psychological state that comes and goes because we're human, not

585
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: bad or flawed or broken. But if we are dependent

586
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Speaker 1: on that, if that's the fuel that keeps our fire burning,

587
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: and the fire goes out when we don't have motivation,

588
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: then the fire is going to go out all the time.

589
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: And of course, I mean our action is going to stop.

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Speaker 1: And if our action stops, so the challenge is not

591
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Speaker 1: to stay motivated. The challenge is to optimize the motivation

592
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Speaker 1: when it's there. That's number one. So when I'm motivated,

593
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Speaker 1: when i'm inspired, you fuck jump on that like milk it,

594
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: you know, ride that, ride that emotional wave all the

595
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: way to the fucking beach. At milk it, you're in

596
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: the zone, be productive, go nuts, do your best. And

597
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: then the day that you get up where you can't

598
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: be fucked and you don't feel it and you're not

599
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: inspired and you're not motivated, like really, as a coach,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm I'm most interested in that day. I'm

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Speaker 1: not interested in the day before, because the day before,

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00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: anyone who's inspired is going to be a winner for

603
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: a day. You know, they're going to do all the shit.

604
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: They're going to go for the run, they're going to

605
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: eat clean, they're going to read the book, they're going

606
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: to write the things, they're going to do the things

607
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: because they're fucking pumped and I'm in the zone. Cool.

608
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: What about Wednesday when you feel like dog shit and

609
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: your back hurtz and someone called you a dickhead and

610
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: you're a little bit sady macsadstera and all those things

611
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: are okay? But you know, so number two, number one

612
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: is you know, when you're motivated, milk at number two

613
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: is how productive and effective and proactive can you be

614
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: when you're not motivated? In other words, what can you

615
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: do when you don't feel like it when most people

616
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: would give up? Can you step up? Can you can

617
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: you override the lack of whatever it is that we

618
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: tend to depend on. And I think we need to

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00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: anticipate the fact that the human experience is one of psychological, emotional, behavioral, practical,

620
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: physical peaks and troughs. And what we want to do,

621
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: which is hard, but is in the middle of those

622
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: invariable peaks and troughs, to try to find some level

623
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Speaker 1: of consistency, knowing that will be more and less productive

624
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: on different days. But what we don't want to do

625
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: is we don't want to stick our head up, stick

626
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: our head up two months later and go, oh shit,

627
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything for two months because you know,

628
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: it's winter and I hate winter, and I don't you

629
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Speaker 1: know whatever it is right, And so that is the

630
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: that is the challenge. And even when you know, when

631
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Speaker 1: I do a gig, I'll often say, at the end

632
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: of the speaking gig, who enjoyed that? Most people put

633
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: up their hand thankfully, and I go, put up your

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00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: hand if you're a little bit more motivated or inspired

635
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Speaker 1: than you were an hour ago or three hours ago,

636
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And generally, maybe just because they're being nice,

637
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: but generally, all the hands go up and I go,

638
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Speaker 1: that's great. Here's what I'm going to tell you. That

639
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: feeling that you've got now, that's going to go. That's

640
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: going to pass. So I can almost guarantee you this

641
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: time tomorrow you will not feel what you're currently feeling.

642
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: You'll probably not feel the same level of focus and

643
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: clarity and excitement and inspiration and motivation. Because you're human.

644
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: So what matters is not what we just listen to

645
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: for an hour or two. But what matters is what

646
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: happens next with you and your choices and behaviors and

647
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: your ability to keep doing the things that most people

648
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: fucking stop doing. Right now, that's the human challenge I

649
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: can and I'll by the way, there's no ego in this,

650
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: because I'm as big a fuck up as anyone. Right.

651
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I don't enjoy most

652
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: of what I do for my PhD. Now, I'm not complaining,

653
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying, oh poor me, I'm not saying

654
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: that at all. I'm not saying, oh god, the hardship.

655
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that virtually everyone

656
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: who does a PhD, especially when it's research based, it's science,

657
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's reasonably hard. No one's virtually no

658
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: one's saying to you, oh, I really enjoyed it, because

659
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: it fucking sucks. So it's like, how much suck can

660
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: you take? How much hardship can you do to achieve

661
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: the thing that you want to achieve? You know, and

662
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: some people won't and that's okay, and some people will

663
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: and well done them. And you know, hopefully I get there.

664
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: That's my goal. But that doesn't make me better than anyone.

665
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: It just means I didn't stop. You know, are there

666
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: are a lot way more smart people than me. You know,

667
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: they are so many people that I talk to that

668
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: I actually I'll sit with people and think you in

669
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: some ways, you're definitely more gifted, better genetics, you know,

670
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: more sporting, more creative. Well there's more intellect, perhaps you know,

671
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: higher IQ. But you keep fucking giving up, like you

672
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: keep stopping, like that's your your issue is not that

673
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 1: you're not talented. It's not that you're not brilliant. It's

674
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: not that you don't have a good brain. It's not

675
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: that you can't do it. It's that you are so

676
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: fucking addicted to comfort and convenience and certainty that you

677
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: keep fucking stopping because you don't like any kind of pain.

678
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: That's the problem, you know. And so this, all of

679
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: this goes into and I'll shut up after. This is

680
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: the ultimate with this is can I turn these sometimes

681
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: when I'm motivated behaviors into all the time when I'm

682
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: not motivated, habits that just become my operational default setting.

683
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: This is what I do. This is not what I

684
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: do when I'm pumped or excited or motivated. This is

685
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: what I do. So and there's no get out of

686
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: jail card, there's you know. It's like I don't drink beer.

687
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't drink booze. And none of these are about

688
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: look at follow me. This is just me giving examples.

689
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: So when someone says, do you want some booze? I

690
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: got no? Thank you? And why I don't drink oh okay,

691
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: and do you want a bit of cake? Thank you?

692
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: But no, I'm not saying people shouldn't drink booze or

693
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: eat cake, but for me the X fat kid with

694
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: for decades are fucking eating disorder, right, me eating cake,

695
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: me eating shit, me making bad choices doesn't work for me.

696
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting anyone be a version of me or

697
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: do what I do. But when you one hundred percent go,

698
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore, Like not, I'm going to try.

699
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: I'll see how I go. I'll roll the dice or

700
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: I fell off the fucking wagon that doesn't exist, right,

701
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: all bullshit? Then you go cool, like if you want

702
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: to be a fucking weapon, then do hard things and

703
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: don't give yourself an opportunity to do the things that

704
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: don't work for you. But what I just said, people go, oh,

705
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: you're You're fucking so harsh. At course it's easy to

706
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: call me harsh because that gives people a reason to

707
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: not do it. Or maybe I'm just honest, and maybe

708
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: what I'm suggesting all be it uncomfortable might be for

709
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: some people the best way to go.

710
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely what you just said. Then about it's very

711
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: comfortable and that's what keeps people there. Like they might

712
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: be gifted, they might have the capability of being incredibly great,

713
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: but their comfort zone contains them. That is so true.

714
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: I've been in that many many times, and it's interesting.

715
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: The other day I got called boring because I didn't

716
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: want to eat a certain food, and I thought, well,

717
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: you go for it, do what you want. I personally

718
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm living, eating and doing things a certain way at

719
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: the moment. It doesn't include that. No shade on you.

720
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: But if that makes me boring, then I'll be boring,

721
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: so be it. But yeah, and how much do you

722
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: think along with this that because the motivation goes obviously routine.

723
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: So once you've decided this is what I'm going to do, Like,

724
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 2: for instance, yours at the moment is around getting over

725
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: the ten thousand steps every day, this has just become

726
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: something that you do almost without thinking. I get up

727
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: quite early every morning, go to the gym before work.

728
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: I know that it makes me feel better. My brain's

729
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: in a better place when I get into the office.

730
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: It's just what I do. How much does having that

731
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: solid routine keep not so much keep the motivation, but

732
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: it keeps that fire going.

733
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well for me, it's like when when that kind

734
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: of switch flicks like for real, not like temporarily, not

735
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: like I'm in the zone right, but then the beauty

736
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: of being fully committed to something is you don't have

737
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: to think about will I do it or when I

738
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: do it, because you're doing it, Like that's just how

739
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I think I go with, Like not doing it isn't

740
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: an option. If, for example, I was badly you know, injured,

741
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: or I was sick, or I couldn't do it physically,

742
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: then that's different. But if I can do it, I'm

743
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: doing it right, so I never have to think, oh,

744
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: will I won't tie, So there's never an internal struggle.

745
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: The only thing for me is when will I do it?

746
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: Like what's my day look like? You know, so I've

747
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: done I could look right now, but I think i've

748
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: So it's one fifty I've done about nine thousand steps,

749
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: and that's because I've got this with you. And then

750
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I've got to write a paper all afternoon, I've got

751
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: to work, and I don't want to be trying to

752
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: get in another eight thousand steps at seven o'clock at night.

753
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: But I'll still go, I'm going to go for another

754
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: walk and I'll probably end up doing twelve to fifteen

755
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: today something in that range. And that's fine. But you know,

756
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: it's like, this is a really silly analogy but I

757
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: thought about this a while ago. I've shared it once before,

758
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: and I think I think about how amazing mums are, right,

759
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: dad's too, but mums, Yeah, let's be honest better. So

760
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: let's be honest with some things, definitely with a lot

761
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: of things. And I think, you know, how do I

762
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: say this? Right? I this, I'm going to throw myself

763
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: under the bus and make myself look like a bad person.

764
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: But understandably, I'm not a dad, I'm not a granddad.

765
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: I've never changed a nappy in my life, right, I

766
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: can't say it's something that I miss. I don't know,

767
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: I've never had it. So but I don't lie awake

768
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: at night going, oh, I wish I could clean up

769
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: all of that shit, you know, I don't think. But

770
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I look at how mums just do that, right because

771
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: they love their kid and they don't you know, all

772
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: the all of the things. Now, I can imagine that's

773
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: not a particularly glamorous or highly desirable task, but we go, well,

774
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: I love this kid, this is my kid. This is

775
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: just a thing that I do. It's not I don't

776
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: go ah, fuck, I don't know, ah, you know, do

777
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: I have to? You know, it's like there are things

778
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: that humans do just with not even thinking about it.

779
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Unpleasant things, things that aren't convenient or nice or fun

780
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: or smell good. Right, But there's nothing in a mum

781
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: going ah, fuck it, look after yourself. I'm not doing that,

782
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: or I'll do it, or I'll do it tomorrow, or

783
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: i'll you know, And I just think when we have that,

784
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: like if we can transfer that kind of thinking. The

785
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: problem is with a lot of things that we perhaps

786
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: I say, perhaps should do as individuals. And when I

787
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: say should, I mean things that align with our values,

788
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: things that we say are supportive of our values or

789
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: our goals or our plans or our faith or whatever

790
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: it is. When we make those behaviors non negotiable, like

791
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: this is what I do. Then I don't need to

792
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: get inspired or motivated or pumped or focused or disciplined,

793
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: because this is just me on autopilot. This is what

794
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: I do, like me going to the gym, me not

795
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: drinking booze, me not eating cake, me walking every day,

796
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: my you know, me doing the things that the that

797
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: have over time, by the way, by the way, at

798
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: one stage it did take willpower, disciplines, self control, because

799
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: we don't just go from one to the other end

800
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: of day. But over time, with courage and a bit

801
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: of discipline and a bit of structure and a bit

802
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: of accountability and a bit of process and a bit

803
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: of fucking support and all of those things, we turn

804
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: them into non negotiables. We turn them into something that's

805
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: hardwided into our hard wide, into our normal operating system.

806
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: And so now the things that I used to find

807
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: hard are not hard at all. Requires zero discipline, self control,

808
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: or mental toughness, no resilience, just oh, I just do this.

809
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: But when your story is ah, this is hard, I'm

810
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: doing a hard thing, it's not fair.

811
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 3: I'm doing hard. They're not doing the hard thing I'm doing.

812
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 3: Look at me, everyone, I'm doing a hard thing. Oh

813
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: and then I'm posting about everything on fucking Instagram, so

814
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: everyone will tell me how amazing I am and fuck

815
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 3: all that, Like, really, that is you being weak and

816
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 3: looking for attention.

817
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: Now, I'm all for support, yeap, come going hard in

818
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: the paint today. But you know what I'm going to say.

819
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: Support is good, But when you are somewhat dependent, and

820
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: you're a fucking grown man or woman, and you are

821
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: dependent on telling people you're amazing because you didn't eat shit.

822
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: That's a fucking problem. Like what, you don't need more accolades,

823
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: you need more resilience. Don't seek more attention for your

824
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: fucking healthy breakfast. Do a deep dive on why you

825
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: think like that. That's the problem. The problem is you're

826
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: thinking about that shit now again, self awareness, not self loathing.

827
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: I still do stuff which is embarrassing, but I own up.

828
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: You know where I'm looking for someone, Craig Harper, and

829
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm still wanting someone's approval. I still want someone to

830
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: tell me I look good. I still want someone to go, fuck,

831
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: how big is that motorbike? I still want someone to go, oh,

832
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: you're almost doctor Harper? Of course, but you know, and

833
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: none of those things are terrible. But you just need

834
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: to be careful of what your motives are and what

835
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: your reasons are for doing certain things.

836
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: Yes, and whether or not No, that was good. I

837
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: applaud that. I think the light and the dark that

838
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: came through then was probably what a lot of people

839
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 2: need to hear. And people that listen to this probably

840
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: need to hear that, right because they're listening for a reason,

841
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: and I'm asking those questions for a reason. I love

842
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: hearing that, it's a solid reminder, and it is that

843
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: reminder of it's a nice to have versus a reliance

844
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: on it, like when you become reliant on somebody going

845
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: you're so good for doing that, I'm so impressed. I

846
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: wish I could blah blah blah. But we all have

847
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: that kind of Oh that was nice to hear that. Yeah,

848
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: that's you know, it might give me a little bit

849
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: of a pep in my step. But relying on that,

850
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: I feel, is incredibly dangerous because the next comment you

851
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: might get is, who the hell do you think you

852
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: think you're good for doing that? Do you come on?

853
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: Pull your head out. So there's that, as I just said,

854
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: like the light and the dark around all of it.

855
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: One hundred And also think about this, cal what if

856
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: what if you people are constantly telling you're amazing and

857
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: terrific and wow, well done you for doing stuff that's,

858
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: let's be honest, is not that spectacular? You know, Like

859
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: you've met Johnny in the gym. I talk too much

860
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: about him, but he is spectacular. Absolutely, every day of

861
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: his life is harder than my hardest day I've ever had.

862
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: Right now, He's a fucking hero, right But here's the

863
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: problem is when you become dependent on accolades and you know,

864
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: thumbs up and you're amazing. When it goes, you're fucked

865
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: because you have a new addiction. And the addiction is

866
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: I need attention, I need approval. I need accolades. When

867
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: I do something good, I need at least thirteen people

868
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: to tell me how good I am, because otherwise I

869
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: crack the fucking sads. And by the way, I'm forty six, Like,

870
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: at some stage we've got to go. I'm the problem.

871
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: My thinking is the problem. Now. I know that this

872
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: is some people have probably already turned off, and some

873
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: people might unsubscribe. That's cool, knock your socks off. But

874
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: I this is what I think. I truly love people,

875
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think love is telling someone something that

876
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: they want to hear to make them feel good for

877
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: three minutes. I think that's weakness. I think, by the way,

878
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: if I think somebody genuinely deserves something, I'm in I'm like,

879
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 1: that's fucking amazing. If I think they've done a good job,

880
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm the first to go. I think you've done a

881
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: good job, well done, congratulations. But somebody doing something that

882
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: isn't amazing, and then we all gather around and go,

883
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: you're amazing. Right. I know that feels good in the moment,

884
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: but it's not helpful over the long term. I always

885
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: say to you, say to my clients. I still say

886
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: to the people I work with, I'm not interested in

887
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: making you feel good for three to ten minutes. I'm

888
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: interested in the quality of your life, your experiences, and

889
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: your results over the next one, two, five, ten years.

890
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm a coach, I'm not a fucking cheer squad.

891
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: I want to help you be the most powerful resource

892
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: in your own life, Craig Harper, is not the answer.

893
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: Me telling you you're amazing is not the answer. You

894
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: starting to fucking have this revelation about your own capacity

895
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: and ability and talent and potential. That is power. That

896
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: is what you need. You don't need me rubbing you

897
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: on the back all the time. If you do great,

898
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: I'll say, you do great. If I think you've been

899
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: a dickhead, I'll go, you're being a dickhead. Love you,

900
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: but you're being a dickhead. Am I ever a dickhead

901
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: all the time? Do I make dumb decisions? Yes? Am

902
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: I a big fucking baby? Yes? Like we have to

903
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: acknowledge this. Otherwise we just go through life like it's

904
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: a fucking Disney movie. And whenever we get any feed

905
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean actual feedback, you know. And that's another thing.

906
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: People go, I want feedback, and then you give them feedback.

907
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: They don't like it because they don't actually want feedback.

908
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: They want praise. Oh you don't want feedback. No, I

909
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: just want you to tell me I'm fucking awesome. Well

910
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: that's not feedback.

911
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: Yep. The other day my wife said something to me

912
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: and I said, I don't want to hear that because

913
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: I think I'm perfect, and she said, I know you do,

914
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 2: and that's exactly why I'm telling you. And it led

915
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 2: to you know, it was a good, open, frank conversation

916
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 2: of something that I needed to do in order to improve.

917
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 2: And you're right that, but that is absolute love because

918
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: it wasn't coming from any bad place. It was coming

919
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: from a place of I know that you want to

920
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: hear this, because I know that she knows that I

921
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: do do a lot of work on myself, and so

922
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: she was able to give that genuine feedback and it

923
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: was appreciated and I've thought about it, learnt from it

924
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: and that's what I'll you know, I can take that

925
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: moving forward. So absolute love right there.

926
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, and good on you for understanding that, and

927
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, not sticking your bottom lip out and throwing

928
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: your glomsh in the shagpile as Mary says, right, oh

929
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, well you probably got over it. But

930
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like, even with you, I'm going to make you.

931
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: I might, I might not maybe make you feel uncomfortable

932
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: for a little bit. But I think about the girl

933
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: that I met, the lad, the woman that I met,

934
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: I should say, at the gym, you, I don't know

935
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: how many years ago, who pretty much looked at her

936
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: feet and wouldn't look me in the eye and would

937
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: be you know, maybe a hello, a goodbye, even though

938
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: this was the woman that listened to my fucking show

939
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: right and knew who I was, and I would, I suppose,

940
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: in a way respected me for what I did, right,

941
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: but just very you know, shy and all of that,

942
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: which is cool. But what I've seen over the last

943
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: few years with you is this, for somebody who is

944
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: you would call yourself an introvert, I guess yep, yep,

945
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: So somebody who's an introvert, all this this stuff doesn't

946
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: come naturally or easily. Even though I actually think you

947
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: are have a gift for communication. That's a side issue

948
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: or a side fact. But like, I know that doing

949
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: something like this probably gives you equal parts excitement and terror,

950
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, where you know, you're like, oh, I'm doing

951
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: a podcast with It's fucking hell, I'm doing a podcast

952
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: with Harps right, And but here's the thing. You even

953
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: the messages that you sent to me, where they used

954
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: to be very short and let's be honest, boring, Ah,

955
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: not really, but now they're like a bit cheeky. Now

956
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: they're a little bit like, hey, what are you doing

957
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: your big No, they're not really, but they're you know,

958
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: they're getting there. It's like it's it's a bit fun,

959
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: it's a bit and I'm like, wow, look at this,

960
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: because I know this is you developing, and and you

961
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: know it's you always have the ability, and you're still

962
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: very much a work in progress, as is everyone including me.

963
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: But your development for communication, you know, to build connection

964
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: and rapport and to do shit that scares you and

965
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: to put yourself in situations that are not super comfortable

966
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: for you. And and then in the middle of all of

967
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: these things that you are doing, you are simultaneously impacting

968
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: the world around you in a positive way and also

969
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: changing yourself, Like this is personal development is really about

970
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: changing you. It's about how do I, how do I

971
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: become a better version of me? And what does that

972
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: look like? And so for me to talk to you

973
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: on a you know, like this on a Sunday afternoon,

974
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have picked it in a million years, five

975
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: years ago, or whenever it was I met you, and

976
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: neither would you.

977
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. And it's it's wonderful,

978
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: it really is, like it's it's giving me so much.

979
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: And so probably the last question I had for you,

980
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: it was your whiteboard post about the hill and how

981
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: the hill doesn't change, it's just you and you know,

982
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: the more you tackle it, the easier it becomes. So

983
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: my ending question for you is, aside from your PhD,

984
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: because we know that that has been your focus and

985
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: it's you're almost at the peak, what's your next hill?

986
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: And it got me thinking about, well, currently what is mine?

987
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: And mine is public speaking, and so what I'm doing

988
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: now is that every opportunity I get, I'm just saying

989
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: yes without thinking yes, I'll do it.

990
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: Yes.

991
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: And I had to present to the leadership team at

992
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: work the other week and it was a wonderful opportunity

993
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: and I was just sweating. I sat there and presenting

994
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: this thing that I like, I knew the content because

995
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: I'd written it, but I'm talking and suddenly my voice

996
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: is cracking and I'm like lah, And I just thought,

997
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: has someone tipped a bucket of water down my back?

998
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: Because I could just feel all of this sweat coming

999
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: And it reminded me of the last conversation we had

1000
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: where you said that you presented in.

1001
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: The light blues.

1002
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that. And I left the presentation

1003
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: and I mentioned to my manager and she goes, presented

1004
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: really well, came across really confidently. I said, I was

1005
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: sweating so much, like I felt so uncomfortable, and she

1006
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: just said, well, you wore the wrong clothes on the

1007
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 2: wrong day. Is it as simple as that I wore

1008
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: the wrong clothes on the wrong day. But yeah, that's

1009
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: my hill at the moment is in person presentations to people.

1010
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great. I think for me this is weird.

1011
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: But I'm you know that my kind of echo chamber

1012
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: that I live in with research and psychology and academia

1013
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. It's all very very

1014
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: about the mind and logic and the brain and reasoning

1015
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: and processing and data analysis and objective this and that.

1016
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in all of the wisdom that lives

1017
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: outside the mind. I'm really interested in what is the knowledge,

1018
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: what is the wisdom? What are the insights that exist

1019
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: away from the brain, the prefrontal cortex? What is that?

1020
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: You know? And that and I don't know what that

1021
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean. I guess if I had to describe it,

1022
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: it would just be more in that kind of a

1023
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: what's the word metaphysical or spiritual? You know, without becoming

1024
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: a weirdo, right, but just going is there something in that?

1025
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: Like?

1026
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: And because the problem, the problem with being all about logic,

1027
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: and this sounds counterintuitive, encounter productive or not counterproductive, but

1028
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: counter to some things I say is right, Even logic,

1029
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: the idea of logic is a flawed idea because when

1030
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: I say that's illogical, or I say that doesn't make sense,

1031
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying, through my window of understanding, that's illogical, through

1032
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: my window of understanding, that doesn't make sense. Through my

1033
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: window of understanding, that's unscientific or that's not possible. Right,

1034
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: But there were so many things have been I would

1035
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: say millions of things over humanity's timeline, the evolution of humans,

1036
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: right where there are things that would have been completely inconceivable,

1037
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: like flying in a fucking metal tube across the sky

1038
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: with I was looking yesterday an A three point eighty

1039
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: can have eight hundred humans in it, right, It's this

1040
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: two story plane, eight hundred people and all their shit,

1041
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: all their luggage, and then the plane ways, whatever the

1042
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: fuck it ways, and it's in the air. It's in

1043
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: like for ninety nine point nine percent of humanity's existence

1044
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: that would have been seen as witchcraft or evil or

1045
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: impossible or illogical. Right, And then you go, well, like,

1046
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: I've had experiences in my life which to me and

1047
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm not very woo woo but just logically make no sense.

1048
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: But they happened, right, So I have personal evidence because

1049
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: it happened to me, and I wasn't high, and I

1050
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: wasn't drunk, and I'm not a generally an hysterical person,

1051
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: and so trying to you know, the mind is great,

1052
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: but the mind is limited of all there is to know.

1053
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: None of us are ever going to know one per

1054
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: cent of what there is to know. And I think

1055
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: that while the mind is brilliant and it's you know,

1056
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: as you hear me say, it's UHQ, it's your operational epicenter.

1057
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: It's where we tell stories and interpret data and process

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: the world around us, all of that is true, But

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: then it's still just me looking at the world through

1060
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: my window. Like I'm interested in all the other stuff.

1061
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm interested in the wisdom and the insight and the genius,

1062
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: uh and the truth that lives beyond what we think,

1063
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: because what we think is literally a code for how

1064
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: we see the world. You know. That's why I'm fascinated

1065
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: with understanding how you think, because you think all the time.

1066
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: I think all the time, but there's virtually no overlap

1067
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: because I don't live in your thoughts or values or

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: beliefs or mind or stories, and you don't live in mind.

1069
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: So we're both thinking, but there's total divergence, you know. Yeah, yeah,

1070
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: So for me, I don't think I answered your question,

1071
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm I'm fascinated with what there is beyond

1072
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: And this sounds unscientific, but fuck it beyond science because

1073
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: we think that and this is going to sound very

1074
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: weird for a PhD student doing science. We think that

1075
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: science is the start and finish of what there is

1076
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: to know. But it's only science can only operate within

1077
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: our own capacity to reason and understand, you know, And

1078
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: as we evolve, and as we as a species and

1079
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: individuals evolve, things change, and what we used to think

1080
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: was impossible, we know is not only you know, not impossible.

1081
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: It's an everyday occurrence now, Like there was a time

1082
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: when the idea of talking to a human on the

1083
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 1: other side of the world right like you, you're down

1084
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: the road at the moment. We're doing this on zoom,

1085
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: of course, but you could right now be in New York.

1086
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: It would be the same. It would be that, you know,

1087
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: I'd be looking at you on the other side of

1088
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: the world. I'd be seeing your face, you'd be seeing

1089
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: my face. We'd be in the middle of a conversation.

1090
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: Yet where thousands of thousands of kilometers apart. Well, any

1091
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: other time in history that would have been absolute witchery

1092
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: or absolute bullshit or impossibility or so you go. Well,

1093
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: that's always been about these stories about what's possible, and

1094
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: so right now I think I think the courageous and

1095
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: the humble approach to take is, look, this is what

1096
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: I currently think, but I've been wrong a lot, so

1097
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm open to learn, you know. And the problem one

1098
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: of the problems with beliefs and knowing and logic is

1099
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: that we strongly identify with a certain way of thinking

1100
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: or believing or knowing. And when your identity is intertwined

1101
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: with knowing something, then you become unteachable. No one can

1102
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: teach you because you already know.

1103
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: No.

1104
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 1: I know my religion is the right religion, So fuck

1105
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: the other four thousand they're all wrong. I'm right. And

1106
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: this is and again that's just a very small example.

1107
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: It's not about religion, it's about thinking. So yeah, I'm

1108
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: going to do a big exploration beyond the mind.

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01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: I love that for you, I really do.

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01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've got so many stories that could that

1111
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't just and I don't look for shit. I'm

1112
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: not like walking around looking for signs and shit. I'm not.

1113
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm so like, give me a motorbike, give me, give

1114
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: me some Netflix, give me some dumbbells. Like I'm so

1115
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: fucking normal, regular, down to earth. I'm not out there

1116
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: looking for the woo woo. But the Woo woo finds

1117
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: me oh a lot, a lot. I go, yeah, I'm like,

1118
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: what is this about? And I go, oh, you know, so.

1119
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like we need to delve into

1120
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Speaker 2: this one in another episode.

1121
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Just what's that you do? I've spoken about it a

1122
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: couple of times. I've opened the door a little bit,

1123
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, there have been times when I've known something

1124
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: way before and there's no way I could possibly know.

1125
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: And it's like I have had a very clear message

1126
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: to do or not do something, and the thing that

1127
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: I did or didn't do basically saved me from a

1128
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: bad thing. Yeah, and like unequivocally clear, like not no

1129
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: mystery around it, you know. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I

1130
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: love that. Where yeah, where does that come from? And

1131
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: it's like it's not like I've had thirty of those

1132
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: happen and twenty nine didn't. Like it's it's it's like,

1133
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: when that happens to me, I know somethings I just

1134
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: need to then pay attention. Yeah yeah, I'll tell you

1135
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: one off air, okay, And everyone's like, no, that's not fair.

1136
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: I just you know, you've got to I don't know.

1137
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think I don't know next time when the

1138
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: student's ready, the teacher will appear. We'll see cal it's

1139
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: been good, it's been great. Thanks for hanging out with me.

1140
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 2: Thanks, Happy Sunday.

1141
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: Happy Sunday. See ya, see ya,