Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
Speaker 2: Bits Sharry, Thanks Andrew good evening, Welcome to the show Tonight,
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister under fire from his own MPs over
Speaker 2: his decision to buy a multimillion dollar waterfront home. This
Speaker 2: as his own attacks on Malcolm Turnbule's wealth come back
Speaker 2: to bite him.
Speaker 3: Those exclusive details in a moment.
Speaker 2: Also tonight, is rady Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tells the
Speaker 2: UN to get out of the way as he targets
Speaker 2: Hesbela terrorists high profile is Raeti figures. Elon Levy and
Speaker 2: Peter Lerner will both join me for full coverage throughout
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Plus, China has.
Speaker 2: Deployed one hundred and twenty five military aircraft and navy
Speaker 2: vessels around Taiwan in an attempt to intimidate the sovereign nation.
Speaker 2: I'll speak about this shocking active aggression with Ronwan Bishop
Speaker 2: and Kleber Bond shortly.
Speaker 3: Plus all the.
Speaker 2: Media news from Kamandala Harris's upcoming Fox News interview to
Speaker 2: Channel nine sacking their spin.
Speaker 3: Doctor with Sophie Ellsworth.
Speaker 2: But first tonight, Labor and PS have hit out at
Speaker 2: their Prime minister for poor judgment in buying a waterfront mansion.
Speaker 2: During the cost of living crisis, and Anthony Albanese's own
Speaker 2: words attacking Malcolm Turbule's wealth came back to bite him today,
Speaker 2: showing the extent of his hypocrisy. Well, I can tell
Speaker 2: you that Labor and PS are shocked and incredulous at
Speaker 2: Albanese's decision to buy a four point three million dollar
Speaker 2: cliff top holiday home during this economic crisis. One Labor
Speaker 2: and P told me today, this one will cut through.
Speaker 2: Do people think he gets the cost of living crisis
Speaker 2: when he's buying a holiday house like this? And A
Speaker 2: Labor insiders said to me, Labor members must be wondering
Speaker 2: if their captain has his head in the game and
Speaker 2: his eye on the ball. Former Labor State Secretary Cameron
Speaker 2: Milner said this is either total incompetence or sublime arrogance
Speaker 2: when it comes to Albo's political touch.
Speaker 3: The danger for Labor is this.
Speaker 2: Retirement home might be the perfect combination of both and
Speaker 2: a labor and He also told the City Morning Herald,
Speaker 2: I can't think of a greater act of self sabotage
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 3: I am gobsmacked.
Speaker 2: And there's widespread concern inside Labor about the MPs who
Speaker 2: are up against the Greens in marginal seats where housing
Speaker 2: affordability is the single biggest.
Speaker 3: Issue, and this is a gift to the Greens.
Speaker 2: It's spectacularly poor political judgment from Albin Easy. Now Here
Speaker 2: was Albin Easy back in two thousand and eight saying
Speaker 2: that Turnbull, who was then just newly installed as the
Speaker 2: Liberal leader, was out of touch because of his wealth.
Speaker 4: Born friend of the battler over here, the leader of
Speaker 4: the orphisician from Struggle Street in Point Piper.
Speaker 2: Struggle Street in Point Piper, Well, what does Albo have
Speaker 2: to say now about Struggle Street on a waterfront mansion.
Speaker 2: Then a decade later, in twenty eighteen, the class war
Speaker 2: obsessed labor MP was still going for the jugular based
Speaker 2: on where Turnbull lived.
Speaker 4: Malcolm Turnbull might be okay looking after the people of
Speaker 4: Point Piper, He's not good looking after the people of
Speaker 4: Nurangbar and the people of Kabulcha and the people of
Speaker 4: more Field and the purple of this community.
Speaker 3: That is what you call hipocrisy.
Speaker 2: And now, in the middle of a financial crisis, most
Speaker 2: Australians wouldn't be able to afford a four million dollar
Speaker 2: house at all, let alone a sport a spare four
Speaker 2: point three million dollars to splash on a holiday home.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is meant to lead the country during
Speaker 2: an economic crisis, but his lost touch with what Australians
Speaker 2: are actually going through. In fact, he's rubbing the cost
Speaker 2: of living.
Speaker 3: Crisis in their face. Now here are the facts.
Speaker 2: The proportion of homeowners falling behind on their mortgage repayments
Speaker 2: hit an eight year high in June. The RBA says
Speaker 2: families missing mortgage repayments has nearly doubled in some hard
Speaker 2: hit suburbs in Sydney. The number of people sleeping on
Speaker 2: the streets has almost doubled since twenty twenty one during
Speaker 2: this cost of living crisis, and food bag data out
Speaker 2: today reveals that more than half of households affected by
Speaker 2: food and security are skipping meals or even going an
Speaker 2: entire day without food.
Speaker 3: So at the same.
Speaker 2: Time that families are skipping meals and children are going
Speaker 2: going to school hungry, Albo from the block is buying
Speaker 2: a waterfront mansion. He is insensitively showing off just how
Speaker 2: well he's doing all from taxpayer money while the country suffers.
Speaker 5: I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Reminds me of Marie Antoinette's infamous saying let them eat cake.
Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder whether Albanesi actually cares that
Speaker 2: much about being elected Prime Minister again, whether he truly
Speaker 2: is desperate to win the election, because I genuinely don't
Speaker 2: understand how a politician who wants to win again can
Speaker 2: buy a multimillion dollar home when cost of living and
Speaker 2: housing affordability are the two biggest issues facing Australians. And
Speaker 2: so astonishing is it that Liberal figure Michael Kroger today
Speaker 2: said it did look like Albanzi might be ready to retire.
Speaker 6: It almost looks like a retirement house. It's sort of
Speaker 6: gives the part from the cost of living, CHRISTI is
Speaker 6: the housing crisis, etc. It always gives people the impression
Speaker 6: that he's setting himself up for retirement, that he's sort
Speaker 6: of on the way out, that if he loses the election,
Speaker 6: well he's got somewhere to go. I think that's a
Speaker 6: subliminal message that comes out of something like this, which
Speaker 6: is he's buying a property near the beach. It just
Speaker 6: gives the impression that he's headed for the door.
Speaker 2: And this doesn't just cement the perception that alban Easy
Speaker 2: is out of touch. It shows that he truly is
Speaker 2: because unlike most Australians who are paying more tax than
Speaker 2: ever thanks to bracket creep, and we know that Australians
Speaker 2: already have among the highest personal income tax rates in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: Well, unlike most.
Speaker 2: Australians, alban Easy had a pay rise this year. He
Speaker 2: now earns six hundred thousand dollars. All of his flights
Speaker 2: are paid for, all of his accommodation covered, and on
Speaker 2: top of this has been receiving rental income.
Speaker 3: Every expense of his is taken care of.
Speaker 2: He clearly has an entitlement mentality because Albanze's entire life
Speaker 2: has been spent working for politics or the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: According to his own official bio, he's only had a
Speaker 2: job outside of politics for one year. He was a
Speaker 2: bank officer from ninety eighty to nineteen eighty one. Now,
Speaker 2: voters don't hold wealth against politicians when they know that
Speaker 2: they've worked hard for it. Our country is built on aspiration,
Speaker 2: and rightly so. But Albanese's personal philosophy has been defined
Speaker 2: by the class warfare and the politics of envy. That's
Speaker 2: the genesis of his changes to Stage three tax cuts
Speaker 2: and it's behind his hatred of negative gearing, and voters
Speaker 2: will hold this house purchase against Albanizi because he's been on.
Speaker 3: The public purse his entire life.
Speaker 2: He loves jet setting around the globe in Toto one
Speaker 2: and now without any expenses to worry about, he's been
Speaker 2: able to buy a waterfront holiday house. Now. The Prime
Speaker 2: Minister defended his purchase today by once again speaking about
Speaker 2: his childhood in Housing Commission.
Speaker 4: Of course, I am much better off as a Prime Minister.
Speaker 4: I earn a good income. I understand now. I understand
Speaker 4: now I've been fortunate, but I also know what it's.
Speaker 7: Like to struggle.
Speaker 4: My mum lived in the one public housing that she
Speaker 4: was born in for all of her sixty five years,
Speaker 4: and I know what it's like, which is why I
Speaker 4: want to help all Australians into a home.
Speaker 2: Mate, I think you're going to have to give the
Speaker 2: Housing Commission story a rest now that you're a property mogul.
Speaker 2: Well Peter Dighton today was asked about this, and he
Speaker 2: said that many Australians couldn't afford to pay their mortgages
Speaker 2: because of the government's economic management.
Speaker 8: Prime Minister can answer questions in relation to it otherwise,
Speaker 8: but the homeowners at Australia that I'm worried about it
Speaker 8: at the moment of people who can't afford their mortgages.
Speaker 8: People have had twelve interest rate increases under this government,
Speaker 8: and interest rates should come back as they're doing in
Speaker 8: the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada and New Zealand.
Speaker 8: But because of mister Albanesi's bad economic management, we're seeing
Speaker 8: inflation remain higher here and therefore the interest rates remain
Speaker 8: higher as well.
Speaker 2: The Herald Sun political columnist James Campbell said that this
Speaker 2: was Albanese's Hawaii moment, and like me, Campbell also wondered
Speaker 2: whether Albanzi had given up, and he pointed out that
Speaker 2: Australians have suffered the biggest fall in their standard of
Speaker 2: living out of any country in the OECD, he said,
Speaker 2: but is splashing out millions on a bolt hole in
Speaker 2: a region of Australia where people are living in caravan
Speaker 2: parks because there's nowhere to rent, short of using taxpayer
Speaker 2: money to fly around the country to attend free Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift and Katie Perry gigs. It's hard to think of
Speaker 2: a more obvious way of showing he's out of touch
Speaker 2: with the experiences of ordinary people. And it's true Albanezi
Speaker 2: has lost touch with the reality of how Australians are struggling.
Speaker 2: He's now used to having his bum in the butter.
Speaker 2: He's living a grand old life while making decisions that
Speaker 2: only prolong inflation and worsen the cost of living crisis. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that topic in a
Speaker 2: moment with Kayleb Bond and Bronwyn Bishop, but first let's
Speaker 2: turn to Israel. Now, the United Nations have had a
Speaker 2: responsibility and an obligation to enforce their own Security Council
Speaker 2: Resolution seventeen oh one since the end of the Second
Speaker 2: Lebanon War in two thousand and six. That UN resolution
Speaker 2: decreed that Hesbela needed to stay north of the Latani
Speaker 2: River and not militarize southern Lebanon near the border with Israel.
Speaker 2: For the past eighteen years, the United Nations has comprehensively.
Speaker 3: Failed to keep the peace.
Speaker 2: Instead, literally right under their watch, Hesbela amassed stockpiles of
Speaker 2: weapons and built tunnels. With UNIFOR officials not far away.
Speaker 2: Hesbla used this area as a base to relentlessly attack Israel.
Speaker 2: Since October the eighth striking while the nation was at
Speaker 2: its most vulnerable. In the wake of the October seven massacre,
Speaker 2: more than eight thousand rockets have been fired, twelve children
Speaker 2: playing soccer murdered, and eighty thousand Israelis have been forced
Speaker 2: to flee their homes. During all this time, Western leaders
Speaker 2: were silent.
Speaker 3: There were no demands of Hesbalah.
Speaker 2: For a ceasefire or to stop their attacks on Israel.
Speaker 2: With international Deploymacy a dead duck, Israel had no choice
Speaker 2: but to step in, fight the terrorists and defend their
Speaker 2: own citizens. Western leaders became deeply upset that Israel would
Speaker 2: dare defend itself and almost immediately demanded a ceasefire. Well
Speaker 2: now overnight Britain, Italy, France and Germany released the joint
Speaker 2: statement wrongly accusing Israel of deliberately attacking uniform sites after
Speaker 2: eight employees were injured. In their statement, they said, we
Speaker 2: call on Israel and on all parties to uphold their
Speaker 2: obligations to ensure the safety and security of UNIFIL personnel
Speaker 2: at all times and to allow UNIFIL to continue carrying
Speaker 2: out its mandate. We reaffer the essential stabilizing role played
Speaker 2: by UNIFIL in southern Lebanon. They said, we underscore the
Speaker 2: importance of the United Nations in resolving armed conflict and
Speaker 2: mitigating the humanitarian impact, and so on.
Speaker 3: What a joke, What a laugh.
Speaker 2: UNIFIL has done less than nothing to stop the build
Speaker 2: up of terror on the border of Israel. UNIPHIL has
Speaker 2: done nothing to stop the terror attacks on Israelis, including
Speaker 2: little children, one devastated.
Speaker 3: Mother who I had on this program.
Speaker 2: What an absurd statement, A stabilizing role, what rubbish. The
Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister pushed back today, telling un workers to
Speaker 2: get out of the way.
Speaker 9: The charge that Israel deliberately attacked UNIFIL personnel is completely false.
Speaker 1: It's exactly the opposite.
Speaker 9: Israel repeatedly as UNIFIL to get out of harmswell, it
Speaker 9: repeatedly asked them to temporarily leave the combat zone, which
Speaker 9: is right next to Israel's border with Lebanon. In fact,
Speaker 9: on the day that Israel began its ground operation next
Speaker 9: to our border with Lebanon, we ask them specifically, please
Speaker 9: leave this area so you're not harmed.
Speaker 2: The evidence we've seen this week of Hesbela operating within
Speaker 2: a whisker's breath of UNIFIL is a wake up call.
Speaker 3: It's further evidence that the.
Speaker 2: United Nations simply enables terrorism instead of protecting nations against
Speaker 2: its barbarism. The reality is the ineffective UNIFIL has basically
Speaker 2: become human shields for Hesbelah.
Speaker 3: This is truly a new low for.
Speaker 2: The United Nations, watching the buildup of terrorism in breach
Speaker 2: of their own Security Council resolution and saying nothing, just
Speaker 2: allowing Israelis.
Speaker 3: To be killed, or to discuss this further.
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by head of the is Raeti Citizens
Speaker 2: spokes Person's Office, Elon Levy. Elon, welcome to the show now.
Speaker 2: As I said, we've just seen evidence this week that
Speaker 2: uniform posts were nearby Hesbela weapons and tunnels. What's your
Speaker 2: comment on how ineffective the UN Security Council has been
Speaker 2: in stopping the build up of terror in southern Lebanon.
Speaker 10: It's extremely frustrating that Israel is now having to pick
Speaker 10: up the pieces of the international community's failure. UNIFIL had
Speaker 10: one job that was to help the Lebanese army disarm
Speaker 10: Hezbolla and put it away from the.
Speaker 1: Israeli border, and it failed. It failed miserably.
Speaker 10: Has Bolla built its military positions right next to unifilled soldiers.
Speaker 10: At some point those peacekeepers had to be sitting at
Speaker 10: their posts watching Hespolla digging tunnels right outside their posts.
Speaker 10: We had a mass casualty incident just the other night,
Speaker 10: four soldiers killed from a drone fired from inside an
Speaker 10: area that UNIFIL was meant to have disarmed. Israel spent
Speaker 10: eighteen years telling UNIFIL please enforce your and push Hesbola
Speaker 10: away from the border.
Speaker 1: It spent a year.
Speaker 10: Warning Hezbola back off or we will have to push
Speaker 10: you away. But after relentless rocket attacks, Israel is now
Speaker 10: having to step in to defend its people where the
Speaker 10: UN has clearly failed.
Speaker 2: Elon, what's your view on that statement that I just
Speaker 2: mentioned from the UK, France, Italy and Germany overnight where
Speaker 2: they accused Israel of targeting UNIFIL officials.
Speaker 10: I think those countries need to take responsibility for the
Speaker 10: failure of the international security architecture that was meant to
Speaker 10: keep us safe. UNIFIL is there because after the two
Speaker 10: thousand and six war with Hezbola, we agreed on a
Speaker 10: diplomatic resolution.
Speaker 1: Instead of Israel.
Speaker 10: Acting against Hesbola, the international community would help Lebanon to
Speaker 10: disarm Hesbola, and they didn't. Israelis are now dead because
Speaker 10: of the failure members of the UN Security Council to
Speaker 10: make sure that UNIPHIL enforced its mandate.
Speaker 1: So I think that.
Speaker 10: International diplomats criticizing Israel for its actions in Lebanon should
Speaker 10: show a little bit of humility and understand that Israel
Speaker 10: is now having to act and send its own soldiers.
Speaker 1: In because they fail to do their job.
Speaker 10: Obviously, Israel isn't targeting UNIFIL forces. Israel is coordinating with
Speaker 10: UNIFIL forces, but UNIFIL is right next to Hezbola positions.
Speaker 1: Hesbola built its positions.
Speaker 10: Deliberately next to UNIFIL posts, and so Israel now finds
Speaker 10: itself telling UNIFIL peacekeepers please move.
Speaker 1: Out of the way. We don't want you to be heard.
Speaker 1: But it's not our.
Speaker 10: Fault that has Bola built its military positions under your noses.
Speaker 1: It's your fault. Need to fess up and take responsibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ellen, I think, and I was just in Israel
Speaker 2: last week. I think people around the world don't quite
Speaker 2: realize how Israelis are under attack every single day from
Speaker 2: rocket fire, which could be coming from seven directions. Can
Speaker 2: you tell me a bit about what's the reality of
Speaker 2: life in Israel with sirens constantly going off.
Speaker 10: Since the October seventh massacre, we've been under attack on
Speaker 10: seven fronts. Gaza Hezbolla joined in the next day, the
Speaker 10: Houthi pirates in Yemen, Iranian militias in Syria, Iranian militias
Speaker 10: in Iraq, Alastinian terrorists in the West Bank, and Iran itself.
Speaker 10: When we have a rocket siren we had one in
Speaker 10: Tel Aviv just yesterday, we don't know what direction it's
Speaker 10: coming from. It could be coming from the south, to
Speaker 10: the north, the east, or the west. Iran has deliberately
Speaker 10: surrounded Israel with a ring of fire of proxy armies,
Speaker 10: and their goal is to destroy Israel, and they are
Speaker 10: waging a war of attrition against us, to make life
Speaker 10: in this country impossible. Because every once in a while,
Speaker 10: there's a rocket siren and you don't know what direction
Speaker 10: it is coming from. And that's why it's so important
Speaker 10: that our allies stand together with us and say a
Speaker 10: ceasefire is not enough.
Speaker 1: The goal should be peace.
Speaker 10: It's not enough that this war should end with Iran's
Speaker 10: terrorist armies on Israel's borders able to fire rockets whenever
Speaker 10: they want. This war has to end when Iran's proxy
Speaker 10: armies can.
Speaker 1: No longer shoot rockets.
Speaker 10: At Israel's people and we can move towards real peace
Speaker 10: with our neighbors in Lebanon instead of allowing the Iranian
Speaker 10: regime and its terrorist armies to ruin everything for everyone
Speaker 10: all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elon, one thing that really struck me when I
Speaker 2: was in Israel was the unity among Israelis. I mean
Speaker 2: irrespective of political leanings, and everyone has an opinion on
Speaker 2: whether they support the government or they don't, but the
Speaker 2: majority of Israeli support the war on terror. And Elon
Speaker 2: you personally, you used to be a spokesperson for the government.
Speaker 2: That didn't work out, but now you've launched a citizens
Speaker 2: Spokesperson's office where you speak on behalf of the citizens
Speaker 2: of Israel, and your message is very similar to the
Speaker 2: governments because Israel, like I said, is unified in wanting
Speaker 2: to defeat the terrorism. You know, can you talk about
Speaker 2: this because it is so unique when especially and you've
Speaker 2: just been to Australia as well.
Speaker 3: In Australia, we're more divided than ever.
Speaker 10: Israelis are divided on many issues, but were united in
Speaker 10: an understanding that this war is truly existential. We are
Speaker 10: surrounded by enemies with long range precision missiles that want
Speaker 10: to kill all of us and destroy our country, and
Speaker 10: that means everyone in Israel understands what is at stake
Speaker 10: in this war. And when I finished my position as
Speaker 10: a government spokesman, I set up my own organization of
Speaker 10: ordinary citizens who can stand up and speak up for
Speaker 10: our country because we realize that only three things matter
Speaker 10: right now. Hammas must go down, the hostages must go home,
Speaker 10: and Hesbola and Iran's other proxy armies must go away.
Speaker 10: This war cannot end with the hamas Terra regime still
Speaker 10: in power in Gaza plotting another October seventh. It cannot
Speaker 10: end with hostages still being starved and tortured and raped
Speaker 10: and executed in Gaza. And it cannot end with Hezbola
Speaker 10: sitting right on Israel's northern border, or we can't get
Speaker 10: tens of thousands of people back to their homes.
Speaker 1: I think there's a perception.
Speaker 10: Around the world that this is a war that Israel
Speaker 10: somehow wants or is dragging out.
Speaker 1: Nothing could be further from the truth. We don't want
Speaker 1: this war.
Speaker 10: We're paying a terrible price for this war, but we
Speaker 10: understand why we need to win this war that was
Speaker 10: declared against us, because we want to live within safe.
Speaker 1: And secure borders where our people can go.
Speaker 10: To sleep safely without fear of a drone coming from
Speaker 10: two thousand miles away and murdering them.
Speaker 1: In their sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Elin Leavy.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time right now live from Israel, and
Speaker 2: late this hour I'm going to be joined by Peter
Speaker 2: Lerna that with the latest on Iran and when we
Speaker 2: can expect those strikes from Israel. But now let's bring
Speaker 2: in form a Speaker of the House, bron Win Bishop
Speaker 2: and Sky News host Caleb Bond. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Great to have you here. We're going to get to
Speaker 2: your view on Albanzi's waterfront match and purchase in just
Speaker 2: a moment, but I do want to start with what
Speaker 2: is actually very big news that China has surrounded Taiwan
Speaker 2: with one hundred and twenty five military aircraft and navy vessels.
Speaker 2: This is a clear show of intimidation. It's been condemned
Speaker 2: by the US, Europe and also Australia. Bronwin This is
Speaker 2: a worrying sign that China could be moving forward with
Speaker 2: its reunification or invasion designs on Taiwan.
Speaker 11: Shari. Whenever there's a void of power internationally, something will
Speaker 11: fill it, and z is filling it right now. You're
Speaker 11: seeing that America is in the throes of its election
Speaker 11: with the sheer possibility of Kamala Harris being elected. Makes
Speaker 11: America so weak it doesn't matter. In the United Kingdom,
Speaker 11: you've got Stammer, who is such a weak character. I
Speaker 11: mean all the stories coming out about him, and bear
Speaker 11: in mind he too was a corbyn Man, and Corburn
Speaker 11: was anti Semitic and a Labor Party was full of it.
Speaker 11: And then you look at Makran and then you look
Speaker 11: at Germany, which is also starting to see a change
Speaker 11: in the way people are voting. There's a weakness in
Speaker 11: the West and China its economy is not performing well.
Speaker 11: And whenever there's a downgrade and the people start to
Speaker 11: get a bit rest is then it's dictators always say
Speaker 11: we'll go in and we'll fight for something to unify
Speaker 11: the people behind them.
Speaker 5: So it's a.
Speaker 11: Very dangerous time indeed right now because of that vacuum
Speaker 11: of power being filled by Z. So we've just got
Speaker 11: a hope to goodness that Trump wins in America and
Speaker 11: starts to restore some strength because there is because of
Speaker 11: his unpredictability, Z will see that that is a threat
Speaker 11: to him.
Speaker 2: Caleb, you know, we're seeing still the Russia Ukraine War,
Speaker 2: We're seeing the Middle East on fire, and now China
Speaker 2: is exercising it's this intimidation. I mean, one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five aircraft circling Taiwan. That is massive, and I
Speaker 2: think it's been utterly underplayed in the Australian media well.
Speaker 12: And that is correct because it's not just a warning
Speaker 12: to Taiwan that they actually do want to finish the
Speaker 12: reunification that they've always talked about. It's a warning to
Speaker 12: the West. I mean, what they're saying is if and
Speaker 12: when we decide to go into Taiwan, don't you dare
Speaker 12: come anywhere near the place, otherwise we will reach hell
Speaker 12: upon you. And it's a warning to the US and Australia,
Speaker 12: which of course has to deal with the fact that
Speaker 12: China is expanding within the Pacific and they are going
Speaker 12: around giving lots of money to little Pacific islands and
Speaker 12: nations that we simply can't keep up with through their
Speaker 12: debt diplomacy, and it's the same thing they're saying. Look,
Speaker 12: if you want to try and fight us, you have
Speaker 12: no hope in hell. That is the scariest part of
Speaker 12: all of this. They showing the mc that they have.
Speaker 12: And look, you can talk about how bad a country
Speaker 12: China is as a dictatorship, and that is correct, but
Speaker 12: of course under dictatorship you can have as many soldiers
Speaker 12: as you want, and that is the one thing that
Speaker 12: China has in its favor and it will use them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's different arguments from different people and just how
Speaker 2: strong they're military is, but look, I don't want to
Speaker 2: find out, that's for sure. Now let's return to Albanese's
Speaker 2: four point three million dollar purchase of a waterfront home
Speaker 2: in the new Southel Central coast ron when this is
Speaker 2: a bad look in the cost of living crisis.
Speaker 11: Well it's not only a bad look, but personally, I
Speaker 11: think Albanizi has mentally left the job. I think he
Speaker 11: is under attacked from two or under fear from two areas.
Speaker 11: He's got three people in his own party who are
Speaker 11: starting to count numbers against him to topple him, and
Speaker 11: you've got the pole starting to slip away. Having boasted
Speaker 11: he's never lost a news poll. Having done now he's saying, well,
Speaker 11: look from a boy from my house and commission home,
Speaker 11: I'll end up in a four point three million dollar house.
Speaker 11: I've done pretty well, so I think I'm mentally leaving
Speaker 11: this job. And there's no leadership in any of the
Speaker 11: areas where we need it, none, absolutely none. So we
Speaker 11: hear this trotted out story about I grew up in
Speaker 11: the Housing Commission house again today because that is somehow
Speaker 11: identifies him as a person who's risen. But quite frankly,
Speaker 11: he rose above his station. I've told you before I
Speaker 11: sat in that chamber with him for more than twenty years,
Speaker 11: and nobody ever said he was leadership material.
Speaker 3: He probably didn't even think it himself.
Speaker 2: He was, like I said last night, he was surprised
Speaker 2: when he went shot and lost the prime ministership. He
Speaker 2: was probably happy to be an infrastructure minister.
Speaker 11: A consequential infrastructure minister. He was a nobody minister. Nobody
Speaker 11: wanted to attack him with question time or showing that
Speaker 11: because he didn't matter.
Speaker 2: There are some politicians who are desperate for the top job.
Speaker 2: And you do wonder with this house purchase, Caleb, whether
Speaker 2: albanize is thinking, well, I've been PM, now I can
Speaker 2: go and enjoy my retirement.
Speaker 3: He's sixty one at this time.
Speaker 12: Well, it would certainly seem to indicate that he's already
Speaker 12: thinking about what he's going to do after the prime ministership.
Speaker 12: And one would think that whether he loses the Prime
Speaker 12: ministership at an election in the form of he loses government,
Speaker 12: or he gets rolled after an election because he delivers
Speaker 12: a slim minority government, whatever it might be, I think
Speaker 12: he's going to be out of there like a shot.
Speaker 5: After that.
Speaker 12: There'll be a by election in Graindler and he'll bugger
Speaker 12: off to the Central Coast, and good luck to him.
Speaker 12: The thing that has troubled me a little bit about
Speaker 12: the commentary around this today, though, is that it does
Speaker 12: smack of the politics of envy and the class warfare
Speaker 12: that is so common in this country. Do I wish
Speaker 12: that Anthony Albanizi had risen to a place where he
Speaker 12: could afford a four point three million dollar home on
Speaker 12: the central Coast? Probably not, But am I jealous of
Speaker 12: him for having done so?
Speaker 3: No, think there's jealousy.
Speaker 2: I think people, like I said at the start of
Speaker 2: the show, we are a country of aspiration and people
Speaker 2: respect those who are self made, who work hard, who
Speaker 2: make their way there. But Bronwin Albanezy has been on
Speaker 2: the public person his whole life.
Speaker 11: Correct, But what his colleagues will be thinking is what
Speaker 11: a selfish man to put our marginal seats at risk
Speaker 11: by doing this purchase. At this point in time, nobody's
Speaker 11: saying he can't buy and sell properties. He wishes you can,
Speaker 11: But it's a sheer disregard for colleagues who are in
Speaker 11: marginal seats, particularly Robertson's a marginal seat where he's buying
Speaker 11: because that satisfies his own ego. I seriously mean what
Speaker 11: I say. He feels he's made it, and he did
Speaker 11: by getting to the Prime Minister. He had no idea
Speaker 11: what he was going to do once he got there,
Speaker 11: which was quite apparent when he said the voice is
Speaker 11: going to be the way.
Speaker 3: It's still got no idea and that's part of the problem.
Speaker 3: He never prepared for the job.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 11: And you know, I think it's amusing that people are
Speaker 11: saying the premiers won't turn up to see the Prince
Speaker 11: to see the King and Queen. Well, quite frankly, the
Speaker 11: invitation comes from the Prime Minister. So there he's a
Speaker 11: poisonous so I don't want to be accept his invitation.
Speaker 2: We'll see all right from and Bishop Calebon and Caleb
Speaker 2: will see you tonight at ten o'clock.
Speaker 3: Now after the break.
Speaker 2: A legend of journalism, George Nigas passes away at eighty two.
Speaker 2: We look back on his career, plus why Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: has agreed to an interview on Fox News, Sophie Ellsworth
Speaker 2: would join me next, and Peter Lerner still coming.
Speaker 3: Up on the show. Sus stay tuned, Welcome back, well.
Speaker 2: Eminent Australian journalist George Nigas has passed away at the
Speaker 2: age of eighty two. He was the face of many
Speaker 2: hard hitting news programs. The founding host of sixty Minutes,
Speaker 2: presented the first episode of Foreign Correspondent. Have a look
Speaker 2: at this memorable moment from an interview with Bob Hawk.
Speaker 4: I describe you as an ex boozer and womanizer X.
Speaker 1: The X is definitely correct for both. I heard your
Speaker 1: question and that's your answer. You take a lot of
Speaker 1: convincing Danta.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd get away with a question
Speaker 2: like that to a politician these days. All right, Media
Speaker 2: writer for The Australian, Sophie Elsworth joins me. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 2: what were some of the highlights of George's career?
Speaker 13: Well, Sherry, the eighty two year old has a career
Speaker 13: that spanned many decades. He started as a high school
Speaker 13: teacher and he worked across many commercial TV outlets in Australia.
Speaker 13: Obviously he was also ABC Foreign correspondent sixty minutes. I mean,
Speaker 13: George Nigas's career is so extensive. He's one of the
Speaker 13: most prominent journalists in this country and today there was
Speaker 13: certainly an outpouring of grief when they learned of his passing.
Speaker 13: As we know, Sharry, he was batting battling Alzheimer's diseases
Speaker 13: disease in recent years.
Speaker 5: But he had some of those great moments.
Speaker 13: That clipped there with Bob Hawk, an interview with Margaret
Speaker 13: Thatcher that went viral. He was a very hard hitting
Speaker 13: journalist and the Australian public very much warm to him,
Speaker 13: and this is a great loss for the media industry.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Sophie, let's have a look at us
Speaker 2: politics now because in a surprise move, Kamala Harris has
Speaker 2: agreed to an interview with Fox News with Bret Bayer.
Speaker 2: This is the first time since Hillary Clinton in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen that a presidential candidate from the Democrat Party will
Speaker 2: appear on Fox ahead of election day.
Speaker 3: Now, Donald Trump has slammed Fox over it.
Speaker 2: He's saying that the network's totally lost its way and
Speaker 2: has grown weak and soft on Democrats in this before
Speaker 2: the interview has even aired. But Sophie given Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: has struggled to perform in friendly interviews over the past week,
Speaker 2: this is going to be an unpredictable performance.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, it will be Sharry and I think it is
Speaker 13: a good thing that she's fronting up to Fox News.
Speaker 5: She is not the best media.
Speaker 13: Performer by any stretch, and Fox News has an enormous
Speaker 13: reach three times that of CNN and MSNBCS.
Speaker 5: So there'll be a lot of.
Speaker 13: People tuning into this interview because she's opted for those
Speaker 13: more friendly interviews. She was recently on the left wing
Speaker 13: program The View, So I think there will be a
Speaker 13: lot of people tuning in, And obviously she's going on
Speaker 13: Fox to try and win over some of those voters
Speaker 13: that she thinks she can change their minds from a
Speaker 13: voting Republican to Democrat, and also for the undecided voters
Speaker 13: who are not sure which way they will go on
Speaker 13: polling day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brett Bay is a good journalist. There's no
Speaker 2: indication he'll do anything other than a tough interview. I
Speaker 2: don't know why Donald Trump wouldn't be welcoming this because
Speaker 2: we have, as you say, seen Kamala Harris struggle when
Speaker 2: she doesn't have a teleprompter.
Speaker 3: Now I want to return.
Speaker 2: You know, I spoke about this last night and the
Speaker 2: show to the ongoing woes at nine Entertainment. The news
Speaker 2: yesterday that it's long term spin doctor Victoria Buckan has
Speaker 2: been made redundant, in other words, sacked. Sophie, we've both
Speaker 2: been following this story. Nine employees have welcomed this move.
Speaker 2: They say it's the start of the network restoring trust.
Speaker 2: Is that the reaction you've also been getting? And what
Speaker 2: can we expect from the upcoming cultural Review?
Speaker 13: Well, the timing of Victoria Bucan's redundancy is just a
Speaker 13: few weeks before this Cultural Review is to be handed down, Shari,
Speaker 13: So the timing is interesting However, I have been told
Speaker 13: her to Hartscher has nothing to do with the findings
Speaker 13: in the Cultural Review. But Channel nine are no doubt
Speaker 13: in damage control. They've now seen the exit of Mike Sneeze, Me,
Speaker 13: the CEO chair, Peter Costello, Victoria Bucken and.
Speaker 5: The news boss Darren Wick.
Speaker 13: It's been a revolving door of people leaving the company.
Speaker 5: The share prices in free fall.
Speaker 13: The company's in a mess and they need a total
Speaker 13: overhaul because there's a lot of people very nervous, Sharry,
Speaker 13: as you would know about the findings of this cultural
Speaker 13: review that are due to be handed down by the
Speaker 13: Company Intersection by the end of this month.
Speaker 2: And the staff are going to be expecting this report
Speaker 2: to be made public and for there to be real change.
Speaker 2: All right, Sophie Elsware, thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: time and insights, always excellent. Now still to come. Bill
Speaker 2: Clinton's gaff puts Kamala Harris in a world of pain.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at what he said next. Plus
Speaker 2: when will Is Rail retaliate against Iran. Peter Lerner will
Speaker 2: be on the show. That's all coming up. Welcome Back
Speaker 2: with Peter Lerner is still coming up on the show
Speaker 2: when can we expect Israel to retaliate against Iran. But
Speaker 2: now let's bring in senior fellow at the Menzies Research
Speaker 2: Center Nick Cata and former Liberal minister Gary Hargrave. Welcome
Speaker 2: to you both, Hi, Sarry. Let's start with this promise
Speaker 2: to crack down on credit card or debit card rather
Speaker 2: search arges. So under this plan announced by Labor from
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, we'd no longer have to pay a
Speaker 2: fee when paying with our own money on debit cards,
Speaker 2: although credit card fees would still apply, Nick Cata, given
Speaker 2: cash is on the way out, it is really absurd
Speaker 2: that we still have these fees for using cards.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, First, Showy, just let me be just me
Speaker 7: congratulate you on the work you did last week. It
Speaker 7: was very important. It's what we pay the ABC to do.
Speaker 7: Unfortunately we had to get it from you. Great reporting. Look,
Speaker 7: you're right, I mean what makes me particularly frustrated about
Speaker 7: this is that you know so many places will not
Speaker 7: allow you to take to to give cash anymore. I mean,
Speaker 7: I would much prefer to give cash most of the time,
Speaker 7: and usually try, but you run out, you run out
Speaker 7: of patience with some of the places that refuse to
Speaker 7: take it and insist on taking your credit card or
Speaker 7: your debit card if you're more careful with your money.
Speaker 7: And I do think that the I agree with the
Speaker 7: Peter Dutton that this is just a plan for a
Speaker 7: plan right now, but I think it's something both parties
Speaker 7: should look at because it seems to be only fair
Speaker 7: that you're simply withdrawing money out of your own account
Speaker 7: in the case for debit card, and it seems completely
Speaker 7: wrong that you should be charged a surcharge for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the plan for a plan.
Speaker 2: So the obn easy government is committing two point one
Speaker 2: million dollars to the a Triple ce to investigate this further.
Speaker 5: I mean, Gary, why not just scrap the fees?
Speaker 3: Now? What do you need to investigate?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Look, I understand the argument, but I've got to tell
Speaker 14: you Sharry, and I echo Nick's congratulations on terific work
Speaker 14: last week. Isn't it great to see an Australian bringing
Speaker 14: that perspective? But can I just say the thing about
Speaker 14: the fee, If it's disclosed, at least you know you're
Speaker 14: paying it and your cash might be on the way out.
Speaker 14: But there are those who aren't happy about that. And
Speaker 14: it's still ultimately legal tender and for places to refuse
Speaker 14: cash seems counterintuitive to me. So if you get rid
Speaker 14: of the fee, and the fee is just buried into
Speaker 14: the cost, it's going to be the small business that's
Speaker 14: going to have to jack up the prices.
Speaker 1: So we're going to pay.
Speaker 6: It no matter what.
Speaker 14: So I actually think it's not unreasonable to have a
Speaker 14: line item on your bill that says and transaction fee.
Speaker 14: I get the anger. I paid one today. It's what
Speaker 14: a bit over a percent for some places. Some places
Speaker 14: it's even more. But I think that this is a
Speaker 14: disclosure that is once taken away, is going to be
Speaker 14: convenient to the banks and the credit card machine people,
Speaker 14: the tyros and people like that, and it's going to
Speaker 14: disadvantage small businesses because people are just going to get angry.
Speaker 14: The prices are going to go up without explanation. So
Speaker 14: I think there's a little honesty in knowing that there
Speaker 14: is a search arge.
Speaker 5: Well, they'd have to scrap the fee, just a thought.
Speaker 2: They'd have to scrap the fee for the small businesses
Speaker 2: as well, you'd think, but I want to move on
Speaker 2: to look at once they'd have to they'd have to
Speaker 2: let's have a look at the Kammanda Harris campaign wheeled
Speaker 2: out former President Bill Clinton today. This was to help
Speaker 2: garner support of voters, but then there was a bit
Speaker 2: of a blunder. It was an event in Georgia, and
Speaker 2: he suggested that Georgia nursing student Lake and Riley's death
Speaker 2: might not have happened if the illegal immigrant had been
Speaker 2: properly vetted. So this was seeming to blame the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: Have a quick look.
Speaker 5: You had a case in Georgia not very long ago.
Speaker 3: Din they made an ad about it, but it what
Speaker 3: the young woman who'd been killed by an emigrant.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well if they then properly vetted, that probably wouldn't
Speaker 9: have happened.
Speaker 5: But if they are properly vetted and.
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen, I mean, Nick Kta, this has got
Speaker 2: her bit. Clinton has to know what he's doing. Is
Speaker 2: a very smart guy. Was this an attack on Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris's record?
Speaker 7: Well, I look, it shows two things. First up, one
Speaker 7: is that the Democrats know that they are being hit
Speaker 7: very badly by this issue. That American people are really
Speaker 7: very very annoyed about these borders being open, and it's
Speaker 7: a very dangerous situation. The second thing I think it
Speaker 7: shows is just how shame faced and unembarrassed Democrats can be,
Speaker 7: you know, now, trying to set themselves up apparently, and
Speaker 7: Kamala's being the same as the Party of the Tough Borders.
Speaker 7: I mean it's rather like Genghis Khan setting himself up
Speaker 7: as a man of peace, isn't it. I mean it's
Speaker 7: just nuts, but they'll try it. They'll try it because
Speaker 7: they really really know this is.
Speaker 2: Hurting No indeed, Gary Hargrover, I actually want to ask
Speaker 2: you about Victorian Liberal leader John Persuito because he survived
Speaker 2: a party room meeting without a leadership challenge. Here he
Speaker 2: was afterwards trying to put it all behind him.
Speaker 1: Are you happy that there was no film?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 15: I don't know what all that was about, to be honest,
Speaker 15: but everybody's focused on the job ahead.
Speaker 5: Did you raise your defamation trying I won't.
Speaker 15: Go into the detail, but I had a recap of
Speaker 15: the last month and I think it went very well.
Speaker 5: Gary.
Speaker 2: There's been so much backgrounding about a potential spill and
Speaker 2: a better leader. I mean, surely Victorians need a stronger
Speaker 2: leader in the Liberal opposition.
Speaker 14: Yeah, And they've been sweating on one for a long time.
Speaker 14: A lot of normal Liberal voters in Victoria, that rare
Speaker 14: breed are sweating on somebody of some substance being the leader.
Speaker 14: And that month long trial would have gone for about
Speaker 14: four days if Persuito hadn't sort of extended the evidence
Speaker 14: into great narratives about his own self importance from what
Speaker 14: I could see of it. But anyway, it was a
Speaker 14: soap opera that's been going on for ages. Look, I
Speaker 14: think the guy's got to go. He's got to fall
Speaker 14: on his sword, and hasn't going to be a very
Speaker 14: long sword. Only a short one will get rid of him.
Speaker 14: But he's got to go. And the Liberals have got
Speaker 14: to refurbish themselves. Victoria needs desperately a change the government,
Speaker 14: but they're not going to vote for something if they're
Speaker 14: not certain about what they're going to get. And I
Speaker 14: mean Queensland has got a similar problem where there's a
Speaker 14: bit of a Victorian Liberals feel about the Liberal National
Speaker 14: Party in a lot of minds as well. So this
Speaker 14: is not a good time, not a good time at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Nick Kata, Gary Hargrave, thank you both
Speaker 2: very much for your time. Now still to come the
Speaker 2: US to send an anti missile system and troops to Israel.
Speaker 2: I'll speak with Peter Lerner from the IDF about this
Speaker 2: and the threat of Around's nuclear program. That's after this
Speaker 2: quick break, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: American media has reported that he's Raeli Prime Minister Netanya
Speaker 2: who was only going to hit military targets rather than
Speaker 2: oil or nuclear sites when he retaliates against Iran for
Speaker 2: those two hundred ballistic missiles nearly two weeks ago. But
Speaker 2: then a statement from Netanya Who's office today said we
Speaker 2: listen to the opinions of the United States, but we
Speaker 2: will make our final decisions based on our national interests.
Speaker 2: And I've got to tell you that's the strength I
Speaker 2: saw when I met with Netanyahu last week, that he's
Speaker 2: not going to succumb to pressure from the international community
Speaker 2: if it's not in the best interests of Israel's survival. Well,
Speaker 2: let's cross live now to Israel, where IDF International spokesman
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner joins me. Peter, thank you for
Speaker 2: your time. Does this mean that strikes on Iran's nuclear
Speaker 2: sites are still a live option on the table?
Speaker 1: Charry?
Speaker 16: The idea has put on the table for the government
Speaker 16: a vast spectrum of different options that the IDEAF can
Speaker 16: employ and deploy to and I think that this is
Speaker 16: not necessarily something we need to talk about openly, but
Speaker 16: of course there is many different options. The contrary to
Speaker 16: non state actors like Hesbalah or Hamas Iran, the Islamic
Speaker 16: Republic is a nation state and they have assets and
Speaker 16: interests that can all be hurt.
Speaker 2: Look if the nuclear sites aren't targeted now by Israel.
Speaker 2: There has been speculation about whether the US would support
Speaker 2: this when it's in the middle of an election campaign.
Speaker 3: Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Speaker 2: Though at some point they do need to be dismantled
Speaker 2: before nuclear weapons are developed, because that would pose a
Speaker 2: threat to the entire world, I mean including US here
Speaker 2: in Australia.
Speaker 16: Absolutely. Iran is the disruptor and destabilizer of the region
Speaker 16: and well beyond the region, and I think it is
Speaker 16: in everybody's interest they do not have a nuclear capability,
Speaker 16: and that is why, of course there is a huge concern,
Speaker 16: and I think we've seen several governments over the last
Speaker 16: few weeks institute new sanctions on Islamic Republic leadership of
Speaker 16: their military apparatus and beyond. And I think that this
Speaker 16: is a huge concern for the world and what we've
Speaker 16: seen on our borders and when you saw and you
Speaker 16: got up close, the reality here is one where Iran
Speaker 16: and their backed proxies have been empowered with strategic weapons
Speaker 16: on our border and none of this would be able
Speaker 16: to take place if it were not for the Islamic
Speaker 16: Republic of Iran. So I think there is a huge
Speaker 16: concern is they are the destabilizer and they are the disruptor,
Speaker 16: and they have to be held accountable for the actions
Speaker 16: of launching one hundred and eighty one ballistic missiles on Israel.
Speaker 16: You know, one is unacceptable, one hundred and eighty one
Speaker 16: is despicable.
Speaker 2: No, indeed, And so we've heard that Joe Biden has
Speaker 2: now said he's going to help defend Israel by sending
Speaker 2: an advanced air defense system known as FAD or thhd
Speaker 2: ID to Israel to help prevent or intercept similar ballistic
Speaker 2: missiles from Iran. The Pentagon saying it's going to send
Speaker 2: one hundred troops on the ground to help operate this system.
Speaker 2: Is this, How will this system help Israel? It's already
Speaker 2: got the iron Dome, So can you explain how this
Speaker 2: is different.
Speaker 16: Israel's aerial defenses are I would say, the best in
Speaker 16: the world, but every air defense system is not airtight.
Speaker 16: Our aerial defense like the Iron Dome, but also like
Speaker 16: David Sling and the arrow systems, they work on different
Speaker 16: levels of the atmosphere, above atmosphere and beneath the atmosphere
Speaker 16: and lower levels, and each component of this aerial defense
Speaker 16: system has a role in defending our airspace. The THAD mechanism,
Speaker 16: which is a US based operations system, is something that
Speaker 16: throughout the course of many years, the IDEF and the
Speaker 16: US Armed Forces have exercised together precisely for a scenario
Speaker 16: that Iran could jeopardize Israel's sky. So I think, and
Speaker 16: I won't speak on behalf of the Americans, that I
Speaker 16: understand that there is a joint interest, like we spoke beforehand,
Speaker 16: and therefore they are definitely leaning into defenders well and
Speaker 16: defenders ral sky. The defense mechanisms is just one component though,
Speaker 16: of course, of our system. There's the active defense systems
Speaker 16: like the Iron Dome, but it's also the individual responsibility
Speaker 16: that we put on each and every citizen. You heard
Speaker 16: the sirens when you're here. Each an individual needs to
Speaker 16: take responsibility, so there's passive defense systems also individual responsibility.
Speaker 16: And then of course that complimented with the offensive activities,
Speaker 16: We're not going to take it anything sitting down or
Speaker 16: lying down from our military is responsible for engaging, for
Speaker 16: dealing a strong deterring, deterring but also decisive to those
Speaker 16: that seek us out. And I would definitely suggest to
Speaker 16: the Islamic Republic of Iran to look at very closely
Speaker 16: how we have destroyed and dismantled Hamas, it's leadership, it's
Speaker 16: capability to carry out in October seventh attack ever again,
Speaker 16: and what we've done to Hasbullah its most formidable proxy
Speaker 16: on our border in the north. Hasbulla who have been decapitated.
Speaker 16: We've taken out vast majority or a huge element of
Speaker 16: their strategic capability. The levels of their operations are diminished,
Speaker 16: and the operational capability of actually conducting attacks against us
Speaker 16: is also extremely limited. It's not completely gone, but considering
Speaker 16: the fact that for twenty years they've been building this
Speaker 16: capability Iran on our border, that Bulla's been training and
Speaker 16: building their forces.
Speaker 2: Apologies for interrupting, we've just got less than a minute,
Speaker 2: and I just want to get this final question in
Speaker 2: before we go. Can you tell me just how close
Speaker 2: Iran is to developing a functioning nuclear weapon.
Speaker 16: I don't want to go into this type of discussion.
Speaker 16: It is a concern as well, has been concerned about
Speaker 16: it for many years. The world needs to rally around
Speaker 16: this idea that this destabilizer of the Middle East and
Speaker 16: beyond cannot hold. Imagine conducting a wall against the our
Speaker 16: enemies today if Iran was a nuclear power.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely terrifying thought, Peter Lerner. I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: The insights have been invaluable. Thank you very much. Now
Speaker 2: that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow night at
Speaker 2: eight o'clock. Another big show as always, but right now
Speaker 2: Paul Murray is back.