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Speaker 1: I'll get a you bloody Champions. It's Fatty Harps. Well,

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Speaker 1: one time, Fatty Harps. Now I'm hard as a fucking

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Speaker 1: cat's head. Let's be honest. It's the you project. It's

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Speaker 1: the You project. And one of my old workmates, colleagues

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Speaker 1: and why the fuck not? Peri an archis goody Champ,

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Speaker 1: welcome back?

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Speaker 2: Do I call it now? Doctor Craig Harper? Is that

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Speaker 2: happened as yet? Always just like good old Craigo. How

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Speaker 1: No, it's still dumbass. You can still call me and

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Speaker 1: then maybe by the end of the year a bit

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Speaker 1: earlier you can call me doctor dumbas. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: we go. There's a lot of variables. And for anyone

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Speaker 1: That that would just be my one little asterisk, my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been blown away? Are you still? Did

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Speaker 1: your house get thrown into the ocean? You all right? Well,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're all right, mate, because I was

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Speaker 1: But it's all our Queensland listeners and you're going through

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Speaker 1: it again because today we're not the same. But it's

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Speaker 1: like it's a big You were meant to go to

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Speaker 1: She runs, jumps, does CrossFit, hydrocks loads of burpies. She's fast.

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Speaker 2: then slowly come off a zempic to keep going. One

428
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: of the ladies I'm actually helping at the moment that's

429
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 2: through Facebook, that's contacting me. She's no complaining of massive

430
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 2: amount of hair loss. We're talking clumps of hair. And

431
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, yeah, you're doctor, so it's not even

432
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 2: an endocronologist. A doctor who put on there has put

433
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: on two big a dose And I'm like, this is

434
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: not good man.

435
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: This is another thing.

436
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: And then how's your digestion going? Can you've got to

437
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: the toilet comfortably? I haven't for five days.

438
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, really yeah, And this is where.

439
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: A destradition coming on. You know, there's a severe side

440
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: effects with the zempic and people don't realize, so, especially

441
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: when it's been prescribed for someone that's not a diabetes

442
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: educator or someone that's well known in the field to

443
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: deal with diabetes that can prescribe a zempic as a

444
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: weight loss helper. That's what we're trying to look at.

445
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 2: So you know, this situation as long as it's all

446
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: been monitored to govern, and we know it's short term,

447
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: not long term, but short term to help him drop

448
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 2: some weight. So you know, psychologically, imagine if he dropped

449
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: ten kills him feel amazing. That would be to keep

450
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: going and then he can throw the exempic the way

451
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: and he can keep going and keep going, getting the training,

452
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: eating well, having nutritionness or a dietitian, have an exercise

453
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: physiologist or a personal trainer to keep him on track.

454
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: And if he's got someone to be accountable to, let's

455
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: say every week he's got to report into someone to

456
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: check his weight to check he'll get amazing results. And

457
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: if give him that boost, I'm all for it. But

458
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: where are the side effects?

459
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. Look, I think it's just going in with

460
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: your eyes open. I'll be honest. Until recently I was

461
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: absolutely fucking not no way ever, right, and then I

462
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: jetted with David Gillespie. He enlightened me a little bit.

463
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: You're enlightening me a little bit. But I think you

464
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: and I are in the same space. I think, like

465
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: my answer is, it depends again, it depends. Here's my thing.

466
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: I think we need to not only you know, the nausea,

467
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: the constipation, the vomiting, the diarrhea, the bloating, the stomach pain,

468
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: the fucking hair loss, the heartburn, the burping, yes I'm

469
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: reading a list, the fatigue, the low energy, the appetite suppression.

470
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: All of those.

471
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of those myriad of potential side effects. Right,

472
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: Not only that the physiological stuff, but also I think

473
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: we need to we need to be mindful that people

474
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: can create psychological and emotional dependencies on drugs that aren't

475
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: naturally physical logically addictive, you know, like heroin addictive, you know,

476
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: crack addictive, but they're more physical. There's a physiological addiction,

477
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, OxyContin all of those things people get physically

478
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: addicted to, But there are other things that are not

479
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: physically addictive per se. But what happens is the person

480
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: now starts to believe I can only lose weight when

481
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm on this drug. I can only stay lean when

482
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm on this drug. If I and this is the story,

483
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: if I go off this drug, I'm going to get

484
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: fat again. So I can't go off this drug again.

485
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: Now I think that variable. Yeah, we're talking about You

486
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: were talking about potential physiological problems, which are very real,

487
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: and I think they're the biggest issue, but I think

488
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: a close second to all of these things. You know,

489
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: It's like you and I have witnessed people over the years, Perry.

490
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: We're not going to mention any names that have taken

491
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: certain other drugs to make their bodies look certain ways,

492
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: and they go, I'm just going to do a bit

493
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: of something, and then ten years down the track, they're

494
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: still doing the something and they have to take you know,

495
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: it's like because there's that same thing, It's like, oh, well,

496
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: if I stop, then I won't look amazing anymore. I

497
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: won't be big anymore, or you know, in the case

498
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: of ozenbic, I won't be lean, or I won't be

499
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: light anymore, because I can't do it. Clearly, I can't

500
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: do it because I would have done it, but now

501
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: I've done it with Ozenbic. So I just think that

502
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: we need to be mindful of one all the physical stuff,

503
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: but also go into the process knowing, knowing absolutely this

504
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: is a short term thing.

505
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I've found Craig too. These people

506
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: that sort of wire on this so much have created narratives.

507
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: They'll learn a little narrative about saying, I've tried every diet,

508
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: I've tried every this, I've tried every exercise program, I've

509
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: had fifteen trainers. And when we look at it, we go,

510
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: wait on, if that's the case, if you've tried it,

511
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: why you're not sticking to why you're not working on

512
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: a prov that we know one hundred and ten percent

513
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: will work, will help you, will assist you in some

514
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: form or fashion. So this narrative they've gone off created

515
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: nothing works. Nothing works, nothing work, Wait on a zepic works.

516
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: I've injected myself. Look, I'm on five hundred calories a day,

517
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm losing weight. And that's where they create this association.

518
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: And like you're saying, they feel that when they come

519
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: off it, they're going to put on light, and you

520
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: know what, if they do put on a little bit

521
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: of what, it's not a problem because you needed a

522
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: little bit more than five hundred calories and the body

523
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: physiologically is going to start responding and working effectively and

524
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: do what it was designed to do.

525
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, alrighty, So the next question is from Janet Allen.

526
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: So Janette or yeah it's Janet. Janet shout out to you. Janet.

527
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: It's not so much a question, but she wants us

528
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: to talk. He's literally what she wrote, can't wait for

529
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: this one anything to do with postmenopause. So let's let's

530
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: talk about some of And again this is two blokes

531
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Speaker 1: who are probably not the most qualified people in the world,

532
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: but both well, I have, and I'm sure you have,

533
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: a significant percentage of the women that I train. Most

534
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: of my clients for over thirty years were women, like

535
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: about seventy percent, and quite a percentage of them were

536
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: either postmenopause or mid menopause perimenopause. You know. It's like, so,

537
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of these conversations. I'm not the

538
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: world authority on it, but I understand psychological, emotional, and

539
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: practical realities, not from first hand experience, but from working

540
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: with people who are going through it. So what happens.

541
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about what happens firstly, typically, so at menopause,

542
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: So bone density now we're talking about if there's no intervention,

543
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: So if nature just takes its course, so to speak, generally,

544
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: bone density goes down. Quite often we see postural problems

545
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: just because own density and a whole bunch of other things.

546
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: So people can start to postmenopause get a little bit kiphotic.

547
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: That's that kind of round the back, forward, hunchy shoulders,

548
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: not always time sometimes not always. Sometimes muscle mass drops off,

549
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: it starts to accelerate around give or take fifty. That's

550
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: very general. Metabolism can often slow cardiovascually, we tend to

551
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: go downhill a little bit and cardiovascular risk goes up.

552
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Fat distribution can change, so belly fat can start to

553
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: accumulate a lot more than it did before menopause. Cognitive

554
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: function can slide a little bit. By the way, all

555
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: of this or a version of this, happens with men

556
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: as well. Mood, emotions, sleep gets impacted, and I think again,

557
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I think the thing is too like when this phase

558
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: of life happens. As Perry was talking before, he calls

559
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: it manopause, which is the kind of fun name, which

560
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: is true, It's called Andrew pause. It's the same. It's

561
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: the boy version of what happens with girls and same

562
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: with guys. Cognition, bone density, muscle mass, you know, sex

563
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: drive goes through the floor for men. You know, there's

564
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things, right, But I think it's

565
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how do I work with this

566
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: new reality, how do I work with this new physiological shift.

567
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you are in this space.

568
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, Perry and I have not prepped

569
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: at all. We haven't spoken about any of this. So

570
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to start with exercise. And then also, by

571
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: the way, Perry has been is one of Australia's most

572
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: experienced trainers. So he's a trainer and a you know,

573
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: a master in nutrition. But so I believe that people

574
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: who are post menopausals should be lifting weights. Absolutely. I

575
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: think you should be training two to four times a week.

576
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: Whatever you do, whether it's body weight, whether it's pinloaded,

577
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: whether it's hydraulic, whether it's free weights, dumbbells, kettlebells, bar bells.

578
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: It's all way better than doing fucking nothing, right, Pilarates

579
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: reformer pilarates, it's all good anything where you are putting

580
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: your muscles under load, where you are stressing your muscles, ligaments, tendons, attachments, bones, skeleton,

581
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: and you are doing what I'm about to say is paramount,

582
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: and you are doing it in a progressive way. Right,

583
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: you're doing it progressively. You're using big muscle groups. If

584
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: you can, you prioritize compound movements. You know Scott's dead lifts,

585
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: push ups, things, we're using two or more joints and muscles.

586
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid of intensity, but also be be wise.

587
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Like intensity is relative to the individual. So I would

588
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: say Perry is stronger than me, So Peri's Peri's are

589
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: five out of ten, might be my seven, right, because

590
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: there's no generic we're not comparing ourselves to a generic

591
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: kind of intensity scale. So what I'm doing something, I'm

592
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: doing X exercise at X pounds for X reps, and

593
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: me I'm working at seven out of ten. Perry comes along,

594
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: does the same thing, and he's working out at five

595
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: out of ten because he's stronger, he's got more muscle. Right,

596
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: So but what we're trying to do is we're trying

597
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: to understand what is intensity for me. So once we've

598
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: got good technique, once we've got a little bit of

599
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: a training base, we're doing the right thing the right way.

600
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully we've got some guidance, but we are trying to

601
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: work at a level where our body has got to adapt.

602
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: And I've spoken probably thirty times on this show over

603
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: the last seven years about a thing called sarcopenia, which

604
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: are just muscle wasting. And it can be muscle wasting

605
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: when people get injured, it can be muscle wasting in

606
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: the elderly. It can be muscle wasting if we've got

607
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: some kind of a disease. But mostly the term sarcoprenia

608
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: is used in relation to people who are kind of

609
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: post fifty, post sixty. It was my major project when

610
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I did my first degree at university. And yeah, it's

611
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: it's reversible. It's reversible, Like that's the fucking great thing.

612
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: It's not. It's really just a byproduct. Now this is

613
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: not science, this is me. But my guess is that sycoprenia,

614
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: especially when it's significant, is ten fifteen percent genetics and

615
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: eighty five ninety percent us, so, which is why you

616
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: can get someone I'm not going to talk about me

617
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: because that's self indulgent and egotistical. But someone like Perry

618
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: who's sixty one and got heaps of fucking muscle and

619
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: strong because he's never stopped training, because he eats great

620
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: and he does everything. So here's a sixty one year

621
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: old walking around in a forty year old body, so

622
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: to speak. So exercise is paramount for people who are postmenopausal,

623
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: and on top of the right intensity, we need absolute consistency.

624
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean seven days a week. It might

625
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: be three days a week, but three days a week

626
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: every week. Steps down off soapbox. There's a lot more

627
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: to it than that. But that's I'm opening the door, Pezza.

628
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about food and or lifestyle

629
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: and or other stuff, we'll just see where we go.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful, little Craigi. Soccopenia is a big area for

631
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: me as well. It's one of the major papers that

632
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: are writ about four or five papers on cycopenia. So

633
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: definitely understand and agree with you one hundred and ten

634
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: percent where you're coming from. What we need to realize

635
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: is that from the age of forty five and onwards.

636
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: The ability for the body to absorb protein at the

637
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: same levels as what we did when we're in our

638
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: twenties starting diminish. And that's why sycopinia is one of

639
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: the reasons why cycopenia comes across. Now with some menopause

640
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: of women peri post et cetera. What we're finding is

641
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: is that they do need to maintain a good source

642
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Speaker 2: of protein, and usually an animal protein source, because we're

643
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 2: looking into the mino acid blue seam which stimulates without

644
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: getting too technical here the m top pathway, which maintains

645
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Speaker 2: and creates muscle hypergaphy for people. So when women have

646
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: gone through menopause, one of the things I like to

647
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: look at is one what protein are having, the timing

648
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: of their protein, and then more importantly some other food groups.

649
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Speaker 2: And because we know that their hormones are changing and

650
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Speaker 2: theoretically we've looked at their blood works beforehand, we start

651
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: looking at foods that are, let's say, fight are estrogen based,

652
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: so we look at legumes for example, so we know

653
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: like chickpeas and lentils and stuff like that, which will

654
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: help mimic the effect and modulate the receptors of all

655
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: the estrogen receptors in the body to help women. Let's

656
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: leave out some of the symptoms that they've got there

657
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: the other things. I mean, red wine, there's a good

658
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: flood estrogen for women as well. If they want to

659
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: have a glass and wine, it might help them out

660
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: at as well too, might take the edge off. But

661
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: the training very important. There's an amazing nutritionness in America

662
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Speaker 2: that I follow a fair whack and his name's Alan Allergron,

663
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Speaker 2: and he does a lot on women's menopause, will behavior

664
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Speaker 2: patterns and also doing a lot of research to see

665
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Speaker 2: what's going on. And the key factor is that he's

666
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Speaker 2: found is that women must wait train Like you were saying,

667
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Speaker 2: they must wait train in some way, so there's some

668
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: sort of resistance training. Two, their program intake must be

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Speaker 2: up high. And three they've got to keep good fats

670
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Speaker 2: in their body like olive oils, etc. To keep their

671
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Speaker 2: body functioning effectively. And what he's found is that when

672
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Speaker 2: women follow these protocols, the effects and side effects of

673
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: any form of perry post or any form of menopause

674
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: is actually diminished. And the interesting thing is the amount

675
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: of body fat that goes onto these women is very Really,

676
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: it's negligible. It doesn't increase that much. But when he

677
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: finds out with women when they're gone through menopause and

678
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: it's a psychological factor where they start to feel depressed

679
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: and they're getting the whole flushes, then they don't move

680
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: as much, then they won't eat as much, they start

681
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: to lose their appetite. We start to gun this down

682
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: with spiral and they have to try and fight that,

683
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: try and resist that feeling and go, you know what,

684
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: I need to eat right now. I can't not eat

685
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours, and I'll skip today and I'll

686
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: just stay in bed, and I'll become less active. Because

687
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: the old story, you don't use it, you lose it.

688
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: And if women are losing muscle and they're losing butt density,

689
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Speaker 2: it really becomes a big issue. And we know that

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00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: with women you hit it on the ball. There menutes

691
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Speaker 2: from forty five and onwards, women from fifty to fifty

692
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: five and onwards, calcium really starts to diminish. So vitamin D,

693
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: vitamin K two, and calcium are three areas that are

694
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Speaker 2: really important. And we do understand that vitamin D is

695
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: a hormone. It's not just a vitamin and it has

696
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: so many other impacts within the human body itself. So

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Speaker 2: there's some of my recommendations. The other one would be

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: creatine as well as a supplement. And we're trying to

699
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: try and drift off too much here, but that's really

700
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: important and women need to understand that the muscle is

701
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Speaker 2: not just a muscle, it's actually a hormone producer, produces

702
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: my kindes and they're the good feel hormones and makes

703
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Speaker 2: the body work effectively. So you know the important factors

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Speaker 2: of maintaining muscle mass, bone density and being active and

705
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Speaker 2: eating well and trying to get through these areas will

706
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Speaker 2: now help minimize the side effects of going through metopause.

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Speaker 1: I love it all right, don't want to ask you

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. Well, firstly, I want to say

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Speaker 1: one thing, creatine I didn't even think of, but I'm

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Speaker 1: on board with Pezza. There's I mean, it's the most

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Speaker 1: researched supplement in the world, but there's really solid evidence

712
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: now to say that creatine is Obviously we know it

713
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: can be good for training and strength and recovery and

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Speaker 1: depending on individual response, athletic performance to an extent. But

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Speaker 1: we know that maybe it's even better at improving cognitive function.

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00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: There's a real brain benefit. But also I read something

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: yesterday which was a guy talking about a paper. So

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Speaker 1: this is third hand so for what it is, but

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Speaker 1: it's worth investigating that. Also, there's been benefits for people

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Speaker 1: who struggle a little bit with anxiety and depression that

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Speaker 1: and again I don't know this to be fact, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a little bit of searching myself.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like, you know, like when I'm on creatine,

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Speaker 1: which is all the time now and full disclosure, I

725
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: take I probably take about ten grams a day, which

726
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: is not huge, but it's probably more than the prescription,

727
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: which is generally five grams something like that. But I

728
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Speaker 1: take about ten grams to teaspoons ish a day. And personally,

729
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: again this is my personal response, I feel fucking great.

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00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: And if I don't take it, I know, and it

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Speaker 1: actually helps my brain work better mental acuity, sharpness, memory,

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Speaker 1: all of those things we talk about cognitive function, you know,

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Speaker 1: being able to pay attention and focus for a long

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Speaker 1: period of time. For me, there's a difference with it

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Speaker 1: versus without it. So I use that the next thing

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Speaker 1: and lasting before we move on to another question, mate,

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Speaker 1: So what two part question? First part is what happens

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Speaker 1: as we get older to our ability to synthesize protein.

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Speaker 1: Does it diminish? Like I feel like we need a

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Speaker 1: bit more protein per kilo of body weight as we

741
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Speaker 1: get older. Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

743
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: What we're finding is is that the intestinal wall is

744
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: causing the problem. It's the we can't absorb the same

745
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: amount of protein. So even though we're breaking down the

746
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: protein effectively, it's not been absorbed across the intestinal wall.

747
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Speaker 2: So we're starting to lose a little bit that nitrogen

748
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: balance basically in either urine or in our put So

749
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 2: we've gone, all right, we need to increase it. And

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Speaker 2: what's been interesting is now there's a lot of research

751
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: that come up a while ago regarding vegan protein, powders,

752
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: et cetera, being a vegan and having protein.

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00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: And what has just come up recently.

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Speaker 2: And it's really been an eye opening, is that two

755
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: fold one you can build muscle on a vegan diet

756
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. We've now proved it, no problems at all.

757
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: It's difficult, but it can be done. But from the

758
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: age of forty five approx. Now, this is again generic

759
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: figures forty five and onwards, men definitely need animal protein

760
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: to have the same effect, because as it goes after

761
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: forty five, we're finding there's a drop in the ability

762
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: to absorb just pure vegan based protein, so it needs

763
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: to be an animal based protein. So there's a difference

764
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: now between men and women, and we're finding that men

765
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: actually need animal proteins still have the same effect.

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Speaker 3: So there's that threshold. So we're saying that up to.

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00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: Forty five, if you want to be a vegan and

768
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: you do all your stuff and have your vegan protein patters,

769
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: it's fine. But after forty five, men need to be

770
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: a little bit aware and go, you know what, and

771
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: one need to start increasing some animal protein in there

772
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: as well. We're having an animal base. Let's say weigh

773
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: protein powder to assist in muscle protein synthesis.

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00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: Shout out to all the vegans who now hate Perry. Now,

775
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: so my next question is this, that's funny. My next

776
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: question is, and you and I are not fans of

777
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: rdiis BECAUSEI eyes are you know, pretty inept A lot

778
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: of them anyway, So recommend the daily intakes everyone. I

779
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: think the I don't know the government or whoever the

780
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: fuck that whoever recommends these things, says something like point

781
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: eight grams of protein per kilo of body weight. So

782
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: let's figure that out. If we add a sixty kilogram

783
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: lady times point eight grams per kilo, that's forty eight

784
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: grams of protein, which is fuck all right. So and

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00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: again these are just numbers everyone, This is not a

786
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: personal prescription. So what do you think, ballpark perry, If

787
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: we're not working off point eight grams per kilo of

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Speaker 1: body weight the average menopausal lady, what's the ballpark range? R?

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Speaker 2: Okay, ballpark range? And it's funny enough, I did a

790
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: paper on this, so it contests let's say scientists regarding

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00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: the Aller point eight equivalent. My recommendation is the minimum

792
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: of one point six, and you can go right up

793
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: to two point five grahams pe killer Grammer bodyweight problems

794
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: at all, And if you're struggling to physically eat that food,

795
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: throwing a protein shake through the day, because what's really

796
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: important here. We're now discovering that it's not so much

797
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: let's say, spacing out your protein. You know, I was

798
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: still believing doing that, But if you're struggling to eat

799
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: your food. If you let's say, have you lunch is

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Speaker 2: just a steak or whatever, a chicken, and then dinnercing

801
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: and you want to have protein in between and have

802
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: a big protein shake and then one before we go

803
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: to bed. As long as you're hitting that protein mark

804
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: through the day, that's all that matters. So getting in

805
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: Let's say I'm going to pick a round number. We

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00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: said sixty kilos at two grams for killigram a body weight.

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00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: As long as you're getting that one hundred and twenty

808
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: grams of protein in per day, that's the most important thing.

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00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: And people still struggle. I'm going to try and break

810
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 2: it up into five different meals, so now you don't

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00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: have to get it all in. That's all that's interesting

812
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: to me. And you know you're not an elite bodybuilder

813
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: or a super athlete. You did yourn average Joe biler

814
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: once have a great quality of life. So if you're

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00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: following the principles of having a good quality of life

816
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: and juvity, being strong, keeping yourself upright and standing and

817
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: having the ability to move comfortably, keep your protein and

818
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: take up pay for those figures and get it in

819
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: whenever you want through the day.

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Speaker 1: Joe or in this case, Joe Anne Blow, I'll get

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Speaker 1: a team. It comes as no surprise, I'm sure for

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00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: me to tell you that Perry and I spoke for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. We spoke almost for two hours,

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Speaker 1: maybe an hour and three quarters, and because of that

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00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: we decided to make this two parter. No surprise there.

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Speaker 1: Hope you're enjoying it. I think part two is actually

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Speaker 1: better than part one. I hope you enjoyed part one.

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Speaker 1: I think it gets better. Give us some feedback anyway. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you're not a member of the you Project Facebook

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00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: group and you want to get involved, go there. No hooks, catches, agendas.

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Speaker 1: We'd love you to be part of that, and you

832
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: can ask questions that we can talk about on further shows. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll call that the end of part one. Hidde up, Buttercup,

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Speaker 1: See you tomorrow.