Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray Live.
Speaker 2: Hello, let's hang out on a Monday night in the
Speaker 2: man Cave. I wonder if we'll talk about the election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, how can we not.
Speaker 3: After the disastrous night for the Coalition, a night of
Speaker 3: incredible success for the Labor Party.
Speaker 1: Not easy to say, but that's the way it is.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: We'll get into all of that with, of course none
Speaker 3: other than James Morrow, and also with Matt can Evan.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to that conversation. Also the wonderful Pauline Hanson.
Speaker 3: Now across the country. The vote did go up, not
Speaker 3: as much as some polls may have suggested. But but
Speaker 3: but but but and I'll get into this in a
Speaker 3: bit more detail. On a second, there is a massive
Speaker 3: chance that Lee Hanson is going to beat Jackie Lamby
Speaker 3: for the Senate spot. There is an asterisk on that.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that in the second. But Pauline is
Speaker 3: on the show tonight now, last night on the program,
Speaker 3: I'm winning great detail on my thoughts and the future
Speaker 3: and all the rest of that. I'll relive some of
Speaker 3: those for you in case you were watching footy or
Speaker 3: maybe missed this on the Sunday night. But I want
Speaker 3: to move to a couple of the silver linings that
Speaker 3: do come out.
Speaker 1: Of the horrible result for those.
Speaker 3: Of us who wanted to see a changing of governor,
Speaker 3: at the very least it.
Speaker 1: Being put into minority. And here we go.
Speaker 3: Number one, the Greens have gone backwards. You know this,
Speaker 3: I know this, but it's good to double check because
Speaker 3: Adam Bant is right on the line about whether he
Speaker 3: is going to lose his seat or not in the
Speaker 3: seat of Melbourne. Now remember Melbourne had been previously a
Speaker 3: pretty hardcore Labor seat and then became a massive Green
Speaker 3: seat for a while. It's got way more people under
Speaker 3: the age of fifty than over. But Adam band is
Speaker 3: in a world of pain. And guess who he is
Speaker 3: blaming for not preferencing him when his entire campaign was
Speaker 3: about keeping Dutton out a.
Speaker 4: Number of the lower House seats. Of course, in now
Speaker 4: three three cornered contests, and so when there is a
Speaker 4: bit shift from labor to liberala from liberal to labor,
Speaker 4: it has flown through consequences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is part of the problem for the Liberal
Speaker 3: Party in seats where they're not going to win, do
Speaker 3: they make the decision to preference the Greens to deny
Speaker 3: the Labor Party a seat, or do they preference the
Speaker 3: Labor Party, who of course end up getting a seat
Speaker 3: and growing their seat count over the number that the
Speaker 3: coalition is trying to.
Speaker 1: Get at an election.
Speaker 3: On a moral sense, I would prefer to have a
Speaker 3: Labor MP than a Greens MP. But there is an
Speaker 3: electoral consequence to.
Speaker 1: All of this.
Speaker 3: So let's have a look at the latest numbers on
Speaker 3: the counting which closed not long ago. Now, as you
Speaker 3: can see on the primary votes right now, Adam bantered
Speaker 3: twenty nine thousand, Labor at twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1: Now, assuming that.
Speaker 3: Everyone followed the how to vote, you can start to
Speaker 3: add the thirteen thousand to the twenty two thousand, and
Speaker 3: that's when you start to get into the two horse
Speaker 3: race right now, which shows fairly obviously, but right now
Speaker 3: the Labor Party is in front. Now those numbers there
Speaker 3: when you see about three hundred and three thousand votes
Speaker 3: or two thousand votes, obviously that hasn't matched the primary
Speaker 3: vote numbers. But the most important thing to notice here
Speaker 3: is that if Labour wins, it will be because of
Speaker 3: the Liberal preferences and basically What will happen to the
Speaker 3: Greens is what happens to the Libs in most places
Speaker 3: where Labor and the Greens get together to knock them off.
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed, that is what it's on its way. Number two,
Speaker 3: The wonderful die League was re elected to the Federal Parliament.
Speaker 3: How good to see that she is back in the
Speaker 3: position that she is as the Member for Fowler. She
Speaker 3: did something spectacular this weekend in the.
Speaker 1: Seat of Fowler.
Speaker 3: She had an increase in her overall vote, which was
Speaker 3: pretty damn impressive to see that she had an increase.
Speaker 1: Let's maybe perhaps.
Speaker 3: Drop the graphics, put it all in order and I'll
Speaker 3: just talk things through if that's okay.
Speaker 1: So Dielee was able to win.
Speaker 3: Most importantly, she increased her vote on the vote that
Speaker 3: defeated Christina Kanneely only speaking when it comes to independence,
Speaker 3: be they die Le Variety or Rebecca Sharky or Andrew
Speaker 3: Wilkie or Bob Cutter, if you're able to get re elected,
Speaker 3: then you are basically going to hold onto the seat
Speaker 3: for as long as you can. Now there is a
Speaker 3: further extension to that in the seat that formerly was
Speaker 3: held by the National Party, and then an independent of
Speaker 3: Kath McGowan. She ended up taking that seat over and
Speaker 3: when she retired she was able to essentially hand her
Speaker 3: operation to the next generation in her seat being Helen Haynes.
Speaker 3: So what becomes an independent seat may well often end
Speaker 3: up as an independent seat.
Speaker 1: So that's good there.
Speaker 3: Number three. The Victorian Teals are in trouble. Latest numbers
Speaker 3: tonight are fascinating to watch. Where you can take your
Speaker 3: pick here where Zoe Daniel looks like she is currently
Speaker 3: less than one hundred votes in front of Tim Wilson.
Speaker 3: The postal votes, which generally skew very pro labor, they're
Speaker 3: very pro liberal, might be the big difference there. Monique Ryan,
Speaker 3: who was celebrating things on Saturday night, she's now turning
Speaker 3: around and saying this thing is back into the.
Speaker 1: Too close to call category. Good deceive fingers crossed, but.
Speaker 3: Expect the worst and be surprised if anything else happens.
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens whether the Victorian Tales are going
Speaker 3: to suffer. Clyde Palmer is promising to go away from
Speaker 3: Australian politics. The polite spinat it is that he says
Speaker 3: he's too old to be involved in politics. Anymore. We
Speaker 3: all know the ads, we all know the text messages,
Speaker 3: and we all know what the result was, less than
Speaker 3: two percent of the vote. I've got plenty to say
Speaker 3: about some of the behavior of some of the people
Speaker 3: and how they have reacted, but let's focus on what
Speaker 3: the money man says behind all of this. I'm seventy
Speaker 3: one and I'm getting too old for politics. I'd rather
Speaker 3: spend my time helping out tens of thousands that are
Speaker 3: homeless and hungry in this country, and that's why I've
Speaker 3: donated five million dollars to Food Back. And like all
Speaker 3: looth Clyde Palmer, I absolutely admire that of all of
Speaker 3: the people that were in this election, he was the
Speaker 3: only one consistently talking about that problem of too many
Speaker 3: people more than three million household so multiple people on
Speaker 3: top of that, who of course run out of food
Speaker 3: by the end of each and every week. He didn't
Speaker 3: just talk about it, he just run on it. He's
Speaker 3: put some money into it, and he now says that
Speaker 3: his future is in philanthropy. Now, who knows whether he
Speaker 3: changes his mind with one year to go or six
Speaker 3: months to go, And it's his money to do with
Speaker 3: what he wants. But Claparmer says he's out of the
Speaker 3: game and the laws that are going to change that
Speaker 3: are going to make it harder for him to run
Speaker 3: the type of campaign he has for the past couple
Speaker 3: of elections will also apply to the Teals in the
Speaker 3: next couple of elections.
Speaker 1: All of that will be.
Speaker 3: To the advantage of the two major parties with the
Speaker 3: flow on effect to the existing independence as opposed to
Speaker 3: the ones who may want to grow the pie. And
Speaker 3: the fifth most interesting thing, and it is a silver lining,
Speaker 3: but it isn't a full silver lining yet.
Speaker 1: It is just the faint outlines of one.
Speaker 3: But still there is a chance Jackie Lamby's going to
Speaker 3: lose her seat. If she does, she'll be losing it
Speaker 3: to Lee Hanson. Lee Hanson's lived in Tasmani for a
Speaker 3: long time but obviously has only put her hand up
Speaker 3: in politics and in a political sense in the past
Speaker 3: few months. Jack Lamby's vote comes from the north of
Speaker 3: Tasmania and her vote, according to the latest numbers, was
Speaker 3: down at the last election that this election just gone,
Speaker 3: the One Nation vote it was up and basically it's
Speaker 3: lamby six point nine percent to One Nation's five point
Speaker 3: three percent. But why is there a chance Jackie Lamby
Speaker 3: loses a seat. Well, as you'll see at that number
Speaker 3: there the quota, all right, so you get one seat?
Speaker 3: Point how much is left over? Okay, so you will
Speaker 3: see there that the number for the Liberals is currently
Speaker 3: at one and a half. Now, if you go and
Speaker 3: have a look at their how to vote card, it
Speaker 3: would mean that if they don't get the second seat,
Speaker 3: whatever they get over the one, it moves to their
Speaker 3: second preference. And that, according to the how to vote
Speaker 3: was one nation, So there could be about half a
Speaker 3: quota of a Senate seat that is out there four
Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson and Lee Hanson. Now the One Nation party
Speaker 3: is currently at point three seven of a quota. That
Speaker 3: half a percent will take them to the eight you
Speaker 3: know too, point eight. Then when you throw in other
Speaker 3: preferences that might be around there, that's why it might
Speaker 3: get a little bit closer. If Jackie Lamby runs away
Speaker 3: with it, it will be because she was number two
Speaker 3: on the Labor how to vote card. So, as you
Speaker 3: can see, left over in the Labor vote was two
Speaker 3: point four to seven. So Lamby currently sitting at zero
Speaker 3: point four eight of one quota plus the overhang of
Speaker 3: labor puts her basically that same position about zero point eight,
Speaker 3: and then a whole bunch of other things where we
Speaker 3: work out what people did with their second, third, fourth, fifth,
Speaker 3: and sixths. Well, all of that comes into play, including
Speaker 3: people who voted below the line. We'll talk to Pauline
Speaker 3: Hanson about that in a moment or two time.
Speaker 1: Now, let's be honest.
Speaker 3: The only thing that's going to hurt Anthony Aberzi most
Speaker 3: likely for the next three years. But let's be generous
Speaker 3: and say the first year of his second time as
Speaker 3: Prime Minister and second term as Prime Minister is going
Speaker 3: to be well what he does with the size of
Speaker 3: his win.
Speaker 5: Not for thirty five years as a labor prime minister
Speaker 5: pulled this off.
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi going back to bat.
Speaker 6: He becomes the first leader to clincher's second consecutive term
Speaker 6: in twenty one years and does so with an increased majority.
Speaker 7: The first PM since John Howard back in two thousand
Speaker 7: and four to win reelection and the first government in
Speaker 7: seventy five years to actually increase its majority in a
Speaker 7: first term, a powerful mandate.
Speaker 3: So obviously Australia has given him not just a little win.
Speaker 3: They have given him a big one, which means he
Speaker 3: has a big back bench, which means he can start
Speaker 3: to be bolder, and theoretically, electoral gravity at some point
Speaker 3: means eventually you start to lose seats, and having way
Speaker 3: more than the necessary seventy six means you can afford
Speaker 3: to burn some of the backbench, as John Howard did
Speaker 3: when it came to the Big Idea in the nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight election on the GST. That re was alded
Speaker 3: in the Labor Party getting the majority of the popular vote,
Speaker 3: but the Liberal Party still maintained the majority of seats.
Speaker 3: Now again, we can't say what happened three elections ago
Speaker 3: is what happens in one or two elections time. We're
Speaker 3: not really in the red and blue game anymore. We
Speaker 3: know that there's the red, the blue and a bit.
Speaker 1: Of a rainbow in between.
Speaker 3: And I thought the Prime Minister was off to a
Speaker 3: reasonable start when it came to when inevitably hardcore Labour
Speaker 3: people were going to start booing or cheering that Peter
Speaker 3: Dunton had lost his seat, and I liked that he
Speaker 3: called them out from the stage.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, we don't do that. That's not Australian values.
Speaker 3: Now I know in his heart of hearts and his
Speaker 3: hard partisan he would have been a generation ago the
Speaker 3: type of person who was yelling out from the floor,
Speaker 3: ding dong and all the rest of it. But it
Speaker 3: was a good thing the Prime Minister didn't do it.
Speaker 3: But then he got back to camberd to day and
Speaker 3: we saw.
Speaker 2: Just a little, just a little little.
Speaker 3: Little sign of the bloke who thinks that he is invincible.
Speaker 3: Ask a question at a press conference. Watch his reaction
Speaker 3: and of course a very well trained media who don't
Speaker 3: want to upset him, don't want to get cut off
Speaker 3: from the information teet that is the Prime Minister's office.
Speaker 3: They're going to play nice. But what's what the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister does when you ask him a question he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to asked?
Speaker 1: Well, just nonsense.
Speaker 6: As you were told yesterday, Greg, you know people who
Speaker 6: have got to stop. You know, the only person who
Speaker 6: knows is me. You were told by my office yesterday
Speaker 6: that was nonsense. The words are coming out, mate, with respect?
Speaker 1: Are we expecting your favorite?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 6: Look, I've said I respect the caucus. I respect the caucus,
Speaker 6: but I say to all of you, if you hear something,
Speaker 6: it is unless it comes out of my mouth, it
Speaker 6: is nonsense. And you know you were told that yesterday.
Speaker 3: Now things can change quickly, but there is no sign
Speaker 3: of that changing quickly anytime, most likely in the next
Speaker 3: couple of terms of parliament. Realistic about that, but you've
Speaker 3: always got.
Speaker 1: To be careful.
Speaker 3: Remember the way the poor Keating behaved when he got
Speaker 3: an extra three years he didn't expect. And the nature
Speaker 3: of this victory is that Anthony Abernezi is looking at
Speaker 3: multiple terms that are in front of him. It'll be
Speaker 3: fascinating to see not just what he does and how
Speaker 3: he behaves, but more importantly some of his ministers. His
Speaker 3: ministers think that they are the political geniuses who know
Speaker 3: everything about policy, everything about politics, and everything about social media.
Speaker 3: Reality is, it was, of course, the performance of the
Speaker 3: leader and the performance of the machine that is the
Speaker 3: Labor Party that turned things around, not to mention a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of things that nobody could have ever expected,
Speaker 3: like tariffs, like the pope dying, like cyclones. But none
Speaker 3: of that is to ignore from the reality that he won,
Speaker 3: and he won big, and yes, we will hold him
Speaker 3: to account by using facts as well as what we
Speaker 3: believe in to hold him to account, but I'm not
Speaker 3: going to pretend that it's all going to change anytime soon.
Speaker 3: It obviously doesn't, and Australia has made it very clear
Speaker 3: that they want him to be the Prime minister for
Speaker 3: the next little while. So last night, again on the show,
Speaker 3: I took a great amount of time to try to
Speaker 3: be as considered as possible about how millions of people
Speaker 3: are feeling. And millions of people are upset because the
Speaker 3: result wasn't the one that they wanted. But millions of
Speaker 3: people are always upset by the result, regardless of who
Speaker 3: ends up winning, because previously half now a third of
Speaker 3: the country doesn't get what it wants. So I explained
Speaker 3: in great detail, and it's up at skynews dot com
Speaker 3: dot a U, and it's on our YouTube channel, the
Speaker 3: five ideas that I have for the future in and
Speaker 3: around the Liberal Party. Now, obviously they are the organization
Speaker 3: and we the voter make the decision whether we trust
Speaker 3: the organization and the politicians. But my free advice, and
Speaker 3: it's worth what it's paid for sometimes is that they
Speaker 3: need to take time to be honest about what happened.
Speaker 3: Do just tick and flick a quick little revie you
Speaker 3: and do nothing about it, follow through on some of
Speaker 3: the things that are actually put in there. In fact,
Speaker 3: most of them also, in my suggestion, have multiple reviews
Speaker 3: coming from lots of different angles. You don't just have
Speaker 3: to learn a lesson, you have to be seen to
Speaker 3: be learning a lesson. So why not go and have
Speaker 3: town halls all around the country in the places that
Speaker 3: you lost, and find out why you're going to meet
Speaker 3: the people where they are. This idea that it's just
Speaker 3: an arm wrestle and eventually you can pull people in
Speaker 3: the direction you want them to go.
Speaker 1: It's just not true.
Speaker 3: You have to meet people where they are, and where
Speaker 3: they are in twenty twenty five will be different than
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. That will be different than two and thirteen.
Speaker 3: It'll be different than two thousand and seven. It'll be
Speaker 3: different that all of those major clean breaks in elections. Also,
Speaker 3: I think they really should think very hard about empowering
Speaker 3: that next generation, listening to the younger voices inside the party,
Speaker 3: not just nodding and saying now go out and do
Speaker 3: the hat of votes. Why not try and lift their
Speaker 3: voices up into the decision making thing. And also, everything's
Speaker 3: got to be on the table I'm talking about everything
Speaker 3: from the low go to the quotas to the policy areas.
Speaker 3: All of it should be officially reset by whomever ends
Speaker 3: up being the leader, which brings us to those most
Speaker 3: likely or those who we think are going to be
Speaker 3: most likely. Interestingly, you have not heard an awful lot
Speaker 3: from these people in terms of their own voices and
Speaker 3: doing interviews, because of course right now they're trying to
Speaker 3: shore up what happens next. Susan Lay is the current
Speaker 3: deputy leader. Of course, Angus Taylor was the former shadow
Speaker 3: Treasurer Dantean and maybe even sort of outside voices in
Speaker 3: terms of being the deputy could be things like people
Speaker 3: like Zoe McKenzie. But I, rather than wanting to say
Speaker 3: I think this person is not my choice, it's the
Speaker 3: choice of the MPs, let's just do the obvious pros
Speaker 3: and cons around all of these people, looking at the
Speaker 3: reality that this is two terms, all right, two terms
Speaker 3: and potentially many opposition leaders, just as it was for
Speaker 3: the Labor.
Speaker 1: Party during the Howard era of dominance.
Speaker 3: A pro for Susan Lay is that she's the deputy
Speaker 3: leader of the part and in the same way that
Speaker 3: people assume Josh Friedenberg would replace Scott Morrison. Peter Costello
Speaker 3: would replace John Howard. That deputy leadership position is the
Speaker 3: natural successor. There's the obvious issues in and around gender,
Speaker 3: but more importantly, it does signal a change in direction
Speaker 3: at the very least in terms of presentation. You can
Speaker 3: think that's yay or nay. You can say a little
Speaker 3: to this, a little to that. It's not Goldilocks. It's politics.
Speaker 3: The obvious con she made a couple of massive mistakes
Speaker 3: during the campaign and during her time as deputy leader
Speaker 3: where she was too quick out of the gate to
Speaker 3: say the opposition will oppose or the opposition will support,
Speaker 3: rather than waiting to find out what either collective brain
Speaker 3: of the party thought would happen, for example Stage three
Speaker 3: tax cuts, or what the leadership group had said. And
Speaker 3: once you go out of the gate, and if the
Speaker 3: leader contradicts the deputy leader, well then it looks like.
Speaker 1: An internal fraction.
Speaker 3: So you end up perhaps going in a direction that
Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe some people didn't want to go. Also,
Speaker 3: there's some local issues here in terms of her seat.
Speaker 3: There are a group of people who are in and
Speaker 3: around her branch of the Liberal Party who have constantly
Speaker 3: tried to knock her out of the seat.
Speaker 1: I don't care why. I don't care what their grievances are.
Speaker 1: I don't care whether they're right or wrong. But that's just.
Speaker 3: Part of the pro part of the con when it
Speaker 3: comes to Susan lay As for Angus Taylor, and the
Speaker 3: pro and con around him is.
Speaker 1: That the pro is that he is the shadow treasurer.
Speaker 3: He knows the books, he knows where they've hid the money,
Speaker 3: he knows what they put off into the nevern never,
Speaker 3: and he knows what happens in the.
Speaker 1: Next couple of years.
Speaker 3: And he's able to with that knowledge to be able
Speaker 3: to exploit some of the broken promises issues. He's a
Speaker 3: Rhodes scholar as well. This is a very smart man.
Speaker 3: The con is that he doesn't worry the Labor Party
Speaker 3: at all. And he also, as we saw in some
Speaker 3: of the debates or sometimes interviews, he finds it hard
Speaker 3: to pick a line that cuts through and hammer hammer hammer,
Speaker 3: hammer hammer message discipline is really important in politics. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know any of these people. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say one's too left write and again I'm not
Speaker 3: picking I'm just being honest here.
Speaker 2: This is part of this next phase of absolute.
Speaker 3: Honesty, which is what good friends should do. Now, Andrew
Speaker 3: hasty his offers saying will not be running for the leadership,
Speaker 3: we will imagine there will be absolute confirmation of that
Speaker 3: with his own words in the next at a while.
Speaker 3: I would find that disappointing if he didn't put himself
Speaker 3: into the contest, because while I am not a fan
Speaker 3: of Anthony alban Easy in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 3: when they were blasted from government in twenty thirteen, he
Speaker 3: did put his hand up to be the leader.
Speaker 1: Now there's an entire alternative history here where.
Speaker 3: If Albo had ended up being the leader in twenty
Speaker 3: thirteen to sixteen and sixteen to nineteen, that may well
Speaker 3: it would have been Bill short and sitting there in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and perhaps being re elected in the
Speaker 3: same manner in twenty twenty five. But one of the
Speaker 3: things I think that you need to send to your supporters,
Speaker 3: to the community, to the media is to put your
Speaker 3: hand up to say, yeah, I want to have a crack,
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason you may not be able to
Speaker 3: get the crack or not be able to get the numbers,
Speaker 3: but people know you have a leadership ambition.
Speaker 1: It's really really important.
Speaker 3: Obvious pros when it comes to Andrew Hasty is that
Speaker 3: he's very telligenic, R good look and rooster. That matters
Speaker 3: why well, because we all know how it can work
Speaker 3: in reverse. It's a former soldier and he served his
Speaker 3: country and obviously would be methodical in executing whatever is
Speaker 3: put in front of him. He represents the next generation.
Speaker 3: This is a necessary turn and change. As we talk
Speaker 3: about under fifty and over fifty the con and this
Speaker 3: is a con for anyone who by the way he
Speaker 3: improved his vote in his seat when the vote was
Speaker 3: going against the lives in Western Australia. That's not an
Speaker 3: unimportant point. A person who's been able to show indeed
Speaker 3: what he would hope to do as leader, that's really important.
Speaker 3: And again Western Australian needs to start to level back
Speaker 3: to fifty to fifty if there any chance of being
Speaker 3: competitive in whenever that moment comes. A con for anyone
Speaker 3: from Western Australia is you're either two hours behind the
Speaker 3: East Coast or you are three hours behind the East Coast.
Speaker 1: Now this means.
Speaker 3: That if you're trying to do a radio interview at
Speaker 3: six am in Perth for half the year that will
Speaker 3: be at three am in Perth. He's got a young family.
Speaker 3: That's a heck of a lot of disruption. But Kim
Speaker 3: Beasley was able to do that for six years. He
Speaker 3: didn't have as young a family, and frankly he ended
Speaker 3: up spending a lot more time in the East Coast
Speaker 3: that he did in the West Coast.
Speaker 1: The problem for that is, of course, whoever's.
Speaker 3: Hunting you in the West Coast turns around and says
Speaker 3: you're the part time So yeah, it is complicated, and
Speaker 3: of course the Labour Party will turn around him because
Speaker 3: he has a connection to National Service, will strike him
Speaker 3: as some sort of too far right Dan Teen another
Speaker 3: person who apparently is in and around the frame be.
Speaker 1: A leadership or deputy leadership.
Speaker 3: Again, when the factions, the groups who's left over make
Speaker 3: their choices. Here's some pros and cons about him as
Speaker 3: a potential opposition leader. The pro is that he easily
Speaker 3: fended off a Teal. Now, his seat of warning was
Speaker 3: one of those ones that a lot of people said, well,
Speaker 3: that's a natural gain for the Teals.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know what happens in three years time,
Speaker 3: but there was a lot of the free media and
Speaker 3: the free exposure to the teal, he was able to
Speaker 3: fend them off relatively easily. He also was able to
Speaker 3: cause huge problems for the Labour Party when it came
Speaker 3: to question time in and around immigration. Remember that whole
Speaker 3: period of time with clueless Clara O'Neil and useless that
Speaker 3: useless Minister Giles. A lot of that was because of
Speaker 3: the way he was prosecuting things in the Parliament. The
Speaker 3: obvious anti here is is not well known across the
Speaker 3: country and you've already got a huge hill in front
Speaker 3: of you when you are the opposition leader. But if
Speaker 3: you are not known outside of the political bubble that
Speaker 3: you and I live in or the canber press gallery, obviously,
Speaker 3: police pretty difficult to make an impression. But everyone gets
Speaker 3: a chance at a first impression. Zoey McKenzie now Zoey McKenzie,
Speaker 3: who represents the Mornington Peninsula, the pros and consferverts. She's
Speaker 3: pretty good on TV. I think she presents well on television.
Speaker 3: She represents that next generation and the obvious issues that
Speaker 3: are demographic. What did every single seat have in common
Speaker 3: that the Liberal Party lost? There were more female voters
Speaker 3: than male doesn't automatically mean things change, but if you
Speaker 3: want to show a change, is she in the mix?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know her behind the scenes. I don't know
Speaker 3: how she works. So if you're throwing something o the Telly,
Speaker 3: I don't know. But I'm just saying the names that
Speaker 3: are being put forward. She also was able to hold
Speaker 3: off for Teal that's really important. The con is that
Speaker 3: she had a bigger swing than the state average against her,
Speaker 3: and it is only her second term in parliament. So
Speaker 3: that also brings me to the one that I get
Speaker 3: a lot of emails about what about you in a
Speaker 3: nambigenper Price and if you in an ambigimper Price is
Speaker 3: amazing and should have the frontest of facing positions in
Speaker 3: a shadow cabinet or leadership. But being from the Northern territory,
Speaker 3: she ends up sort of being countered as part of
Speaker 3: the National Party, which would mean she would either have
Speaker 3: to change party identification to move over to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 3: But also she's in the Senate, which would mean she'd
Speaker 3: have to go and win a seat downstairs. And in
Speaker 3: some ways this is kind of a problem for the Libs,
Speaker 3: which is that many of their strongest performers are in
Speaker 3: the Senate, but they are not people who win lower
Speaker 3: houses house seats. Now, yes, technically at some time way
Speaker 3: back when someone was the leader of the OP position
Speaker 3: from the Senate, but reality is it's going to come
Speaker 3: from downstairs. It's going to be a Lib not a NAT,
Speaker 3: even though the Libs have great to say, and how
Speaker 3: many people are going to be the shadow ministers. So
Speaker 3: if you're saying, why isn't it just into nampijuper Price,
Speaker 3: that is why it's not just into an empertuper Price.
Speaker 3: And there are no CONTs, no cons at all when
Speaker 3: it comes to and her performance at any and every
Speaker 3: opportunity to argue the case. A couple of other things
Speaker 3: here which are extra little takeaways, extra little bites to
Speaker 3: discuss here. Some of them are pleasant, some of them
Speaker 3: are not pleasant, but all of them are true. Sadly,
Speaker 3: Western Australia voted not to Keep the Sheep. Now we
Speaker 3: know that keep the Sheep protests was very well funded,
Speaker 3: very well organized. It was on radio, it was on socials.
Speaker 3: They were out and about. It didn't matter whether you
Speaker 3: were at Cottislow or we were in Cawgooli. You could
Speaker 3: see the presence of this movement. The result of the
Speaker 3: re election of the government is that the industry will
Speaker 3: be turned off. The live cheap export trade will be
Speaker 3: turned off. So that is a heartbreaking result for those
Speaker 3: of us who wanted to keep that intry alive. Obviously
Speaker 3: their fight will continue, but the government has been able
Speaker 3: to find a way to say we can win without you.
Speaker 3: Number two, local renewable projects didn't hurt labor. Now in
Speaker 3: some places, yes, National Party MPs are able to run
Speaker 3: very hard against the solar farm or the wind farm,
Speaker 3: and I agree with them about what it does to
Speaker 3: the communities.
Speaker 1: But let's be honest.
Speaker 3: The wires didn't The osnet stuff didn't change what happened
Speaker 3: in and around Ballarat, It didn't change what happened in Gilmour,
Speaker 3: it didn't change the offshore wind in the Hunter So
Speaker 3: if anyone has thought this would be enough to change
Speaker 3: a seat, well, these projects will be built by the
Speaker 3: time of the next election, and yes there may be
Speaker 3: some reaction, but that is just the reality. If somebody's
Speaker 3: able to point me in evidence of somewhere else where
Speaker 3: the vote was dramatically changed because of the renewable project.
Speaker 3: Happy to hand it on but that's the obvious of
Speaker 3: some of the seats that people thought, oh the Hunters
Speaker 3: in play and Patterson's in play because of the off
Speaker 3: Guess what it didn't It wasn't and they didn't change
Speaker 3: all right. The third one here, thankfully, religion didn't move
Speaker 3: the needle. Now, this Muslim Votes party, the best I
Speaker 3: think they could do was fifteen percent of the vote
Speaker 3: primary vote running against Tony Burke. Well, of course fifteen
Speaker 3: percent ain't good enough. The preferences were never going to
Speaker 3: go their way, so this was always a furfee. But
Speaker 3: the only way of getting better at elections is to
Speaker 3: keep running at elections. I hope that race, that faith
Speaker 3: and these things do not continue to spoil our politics
Speaker 3: and do not continue to play an oversized role in
Speaker 3: Australian politics. But we'll all have to find out together
Speaker 3: a fourth and really important thing. I think there's a
Speaker 3: very fine line and we're getting very close to it
Speaker 3: about examples of some foreign interference that is on the
Speaker 3: fringes of our elections. There are some candidates right on
Speaker 3: the line, there's some money that's right on the line,
Speaker 3: right on the line. There have been some volunteers right
Speaker 3: on the line, and I want all sides of politics,
Speaker 3: regardless of whether they think they are advantaged by certain
Speaker 3: communities or associations or the ones that are disadvantages by
Speaker 3: communities or associations. Let's make this very very clear that
Speaker 3: foreign interference plays no role in Australian politics. Now, any
Speaker 3: and anyone can run for Parliament. But when we know
Speaker 3: that they may well end.
Speaker 2: Up having partial partial.
Speaker 3: Allegiances, we've got to deal with that and we've got
Speaker 3: to try to stamp it out. I can't say much
Speaker 3: more than that because I don't want to spend the
Speaker 3: rest of the next three years in court. But there
Speaker 3: are some interesting examples below the line. I hope political
Speaker 3: people are noticing, and I hope that we react otherwise
Speaker 3: we go further in a direction that I don't think
Speaker 3: anyone in Australia wants. All Right, quick break back, with
Speaker 3: more plenty to talk about here on Paul Murray Live,
Speaker 3: Matt Canavan and James Morrow. They won't hold back after
Speaker 3: a terrible result on Saturday, where too from now and
Speaker 3: then of course the wonderful Leen Hanson very much in
Speaker 3: the fight. Imagine mother and daughter sitting in the Senate
Speaker 3: together and no Jackie Lamby, thank you very much. Always
Speaker 3: love when James Morrow's in the man Cave because he's
Speaker 3: enthusiastic about the theme doing the egg.
Speaker 7: Always do that.
Speaker 2: I love it, all right, you.
Speaker 3: Could see you could see him in many different shows,
Speaker 3: but of course Outsiders on the Sunday and the US
Speaker 3: Report here on Fridays. Matt Canavan, well, he always is
Speaker 3: out and about on the Hustings and now is not
Speaker 3: going to hold back on his view when it comes
Speaker 3: to what happened and where we go from here. Senator,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us. Always good to
Speaker 3: have you on the show. All right, So I'll start
Speaker 3: with you first, Matt, because it's a really easy question.
Speaker 1: Why did it happen?
Speaker 5: Look, Paul, I think it happened because we didn't have
Speaker 5: anything to fight for. I've done a few campaigns now
Speaker 5: and I found this one the strangest because I didn't
Speaker 5: really have a passionate thing to throw my whole weight
Speaker 5: into and take up the battle to my political opponents
Speaker 5: in the Labor Party. Every other election I've been to
Speaker 5: where fighting against carbon taxes, trying to stop the boats,
Speaker 5: trying to start a Danni, stop carbon taxes going on
Speaker 5: mines and I've done a lot of that on your show,
Speaker 5: and this time I struggle to understand, Okay, what am
Speaker 5: I trying to do that either stops labor doing something
Speaker 5: bad or allows us to do something good, Because in
Speaker 5: the last few days I've shut up. I haven't said
Speaker 5: much since the election. Thankfully, I had to go to
Speaker 5: a soccer tournament for my Chuck, my ten year old son.
Speaker 5: He didn't get as sumped as badly as us on
Speaker 5: Saturday night, so that was nice. But every other election
Speaker 5: I've been to, we've had something to fight for and
Speaker 5: this one I just didn't know. And we've got to
Speaker 5: rediscover that fighting spirit. I've heard a lot of people
Speaker 5: say I've got to get left, go to get right.
Speaker 5: It's not about that, It's about Okay, what do we
Speaker 5: think we can do best for the Australian people, And
Speaker 5: maybe let's start with that. Our pulse has got it
Speaker 5: massively wrong. And the most frustrating thing over my political
Speaker 5: career has been the increasing use of polling and focus
Speaker 5: groups to decide not just how we talk about something,
Speaker 5: how we argue for something, but how and what we
Speaker 5: should do. And I think we need to toss those
Speaker 5: that we need to not talk to the posters for
Speaker 5: about a year. They probably deserve not to be paid
Speaker 5: their bills for a year anyway, So toss them out
Speaker 5: of the room and think about and sit down deeply
Speaker 5: and think about what we think is best for the
Speaker 5: Australian people that are doing it very very tough right now.
Speaker 5: We come up with that, We come up with a plan,
Speaker 5: and then we can invite the pulses back in to
Speaker 5: talk about, Okay, how's the best way to argue for
Speaker 5: this and how should we communicate? Should I have part
Speaker 5: my hair on this side or that or whatever they do?
Speaker 5: But we need to rediscover why we fight.
Speaker 1: I like to fight.
Speaker 5: I'm in this to try and make a difference, to
Speaker 5: take up the battle, to define the battle lines between
Speaker 5: us and the Labor Party, not just because I like
Speaker 5: to do that. In the political context, I think the
Speaker 5: Australian people deserve, that Austrained people deserve at an election
Speaker 5: of this consequence, to have a choice, to have a
Speaker 5: choice of alternatives. And I don't think we're clearly enough
Speaker 5: gave them that choice at this election. And despite the
Speaker 5: twelve interest rate rises, the lack of control of our borders,
Speaker 5: despite this government being one of the first governments, I think,
Speaker 5: the first government history to shut down a whole agricultural
Speaker 5: industry and a live sheep trade. We have made no inroads,
Speaker 5: in fact, gone massively backwards, and that's unacceptable. We've got it,
Speaker 5: as I say, rediscover that fighting spirit and come up
Speaker 5: with a with a I think a more tougher approach
Speaker 5: next time.
Speaker 3: James, again, you've written some beautiful columns about this. I
Speaker 3: know you spoke at some length yesterday about it, so
Speaker 3: there will be plenty of people that have heard your opinion.
Speaker 3: But for those that happened, why did this happen?
Speaker 9: Well, I think Paul, it comes down to a very
Speaker 9: simple question. You know, there's going to be a lot
Speaker 9: of people to get try and overanalyze this and say,
Speaker 9: as you said, you know, quite eloquently before you know,
Speaker 9: it's not about oh, we need to move more to
Speaker 9: the left or we need to move more to the right.
Speaker 9: The fact is across the political spectrum that would be
Speaker 9: voting for the Liberals, because remember the Liberals are supposed
Speaker 9: to be a broad church as defined by John Howard.
Speaker 9: That was always the great struggle of the Liberals before
Speaker 9: John Howard managed to come to that settlement. There was
Speaker 9: nothing for anybody across that broad tent to really hook into.
Speaker 9: And I think, you know the problem is that the
Speaker 9: Liberal Party decided that all of the failings of the
Speaker 9: Alberizi government were going to overwhelm them and they would
Speaker 9: just simply trip over in just a little bit of
Speaker 9: jiu jitsu and sticking the foot out and boom, Alberizi
Speaker 9: falls over and the whole thing and then we're back
Speaker 9: in government. Well, I said on this program, I sometimesiders
Speaker 9: I wrote it, you know, advising Peter Dutton publicly saying
Speaker 9: there is no shame in losing a first term in opposition,
Speaker 9: but you're not going to win if you don't swing
Speaker 9: for the fences. They didn't even come up to the plate, right,
Speaker 9: And now we're seeing all of these stories about everything
Speaker 9: that went wrong. I think the most shocking thing now
Speaker 9: is the amount of policy that was left on the table.
Speaker 9: And I've spoken to people who were sending policies up
Speaker 9: to head office and they were ignored. And we had
Speaker 9: the story in the Financial Review today that bracket creep,
Speaker 9: which is such a key tax reform issue because if
Speaker 9: the tax rates today were set when they were last set,
Speaker 9: that top rate. We'll quicking around two hundred and eighty
Speaker 9: or two hundred ninety thousand dollars a year, not one
Speaker 9: hundred and eighty. You want to talk about cost of
Speaker 9: living relief, cut people's taxes, stop taking more out of
Speaker 9: their tax bill every year. This is not hard stuff.
Speaker 9: And yet they forgot all of this, They forgot their
Speaker 9: reason for being. I actually think you know, they have
Speaker 9: now left Australia with a potential lost decade to labor
Speaker 9: at a time when you've got defense, you've got debt,
Speaker 9: you've got everything else piling up, and all of these things,
Speaker 9: all of the issues should have been natural advantages for them,
Speaker 9: and they couldn't capitalize on a single what it was
Speaker 9: a discrease, Okay, matte get In, I don't.
Speaker 1: Agree with that at all.
Speaker 5: I think we can win the next election, certainly one
Speaker 5: after that. I mean, look that this is the worst
Speaker 5: result since the Liberal Party was founded in at the
Speaker 5: nineteen forty six election. That election they won just seven
Speaker 5: eight seats, and by the next election they came back
Speaker 5: and won over seventy seats in one government. That was
Speaker 5: after the then Labor government sought to nationalize the banks
Speaker 5: and refused to stop rationing petrol and other things. And look,
Speaker 5: who knows how the next few years are going to
Speaker 5: play out, and we're probably in a position where it
Speaker 5: will require the other side to make a few mistakes.
Speaker 5: But given the record of this government, that's a pretty
Speaker 5: sure thing. So you know we're going to be ready
Speaker 5: there to take advantage. And as I say, put this
Speaker 5: strong alternative austrailed people, just like Anastasia Palache did after
Speaker 5: Campbell Newman's victory, after Kevin Rudd did, after John Howard's victory,
Speaker 5: Josy and four. Things can change quickly and ultimately here
Speaker 5: we've got a situation where two thirds of people did
Speaker 5: not vote for Anthony Abanez. He just fyt his victory
Speaker 5: lap like he's won the Grand Final today or yesterday.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of people out there who have not
Speaker 5: voted for this government. There are a third of people
Speaker 5: who are not voting for either major party. That should
Speaker 5: because for deep reflection on my side of politics, on
Speaker 5: all sides of politics, but certainly outside given that we're
Speaker 5: in opposition, why are so many people just sped up
Speaker 5: with all of us? And I do think a lot
Speaker 5: of it is the cynical pole driven approach that we
Speaker 5: have applied to the political process that creates a vacuum
Speaker 5: of leadership, authority, authenticity, and integrity, and we'd be much
Speaker 5: better off deciding what we really believe, truly believe, go
Speaker 5: out there and argue for it. Will show a lot
Speaker 5: more passion by doing that, will convince a lot more
Speaker 5: people by doing that, and maybe maybe we'll stem the
Speaker 5: tide of people going off and flirting with a bunch
Speaker 5: of other minor parts because I just don't say anything
Speaker 5: that attracts them in the major political forces.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's absolutely right. But I mean, just to chop
Speaker 9: in on that, I mean, an awful lot of people
Speaker 9: I know voted Pauly Enhancement one nation as they're one,
Speaker 9: just simply because they said as a conservative there was
Speaker 9: nothing for them, you know, in the liberals. And you know,
Speaker 9: there has to be a very urgent refocusing of what
Speaker 9: the party is about, because we had plenty of problems
Speaker 9: the last three years. Everybody went backwards, the whole country
Speaker 9: went backwards. You've got China circumnavigating the place with ships,
Speaker 9: You've got all sorts of other things, and god knows
Speaker 9: what's going to happen over the next three years. You know,
Speaker 9: there needs to be an urgent agenda, and the thing
Speaker 9: is it needs to start being sold very very quickly.
Speaker 9: So many good ideas that were left on the shelf
Speaker 9: if they had been starting to be prosecuted. You know,
Speaker 9: nuclear was one, but then they got kind of wobbly
Speaker 9: back and forth on it. But the other stuff, you know,
Speaker 9: real tax guys, how do you wind up with the
Speaker 9: Labor Party being more technically economically rationalist than you on
Speaker 9: taxas with tax cuts? So I just thought that was just,
Speaker 9: you know, the intellectual halt of the party has gone
Speaker 9: vacant and it needs to come back.
Speaker 3: Well, something that I found really interesting was one of
Speaker 3: the trinding polls at the start of all of this, right,
Speaker 3: it showed fifty five percent of people didn't think that
Speaker 3: the coalition was ready to govern. By the end of
Speaker 3: the campaign was sixty three percent. So you can move
Speaker 3: an awful lot of people. Now, surprise, surprise, that pretty
Speaker 3: much reflects the idea of the people who thought they
Speaker 3: were ready to govern was the primary vote, and those
Speaker 3: who weren't of that view, well, of course, we know
Speaker 3: where the preferences go, and that's what pushes Labor to
Speaker 3: the result that it's had. So I think in many
Speaker 3: ways you've got to show your ability to govern by
Speaker 3: having the ideas, the brains, the conversation about those big ideas,
Speaker 3: and to argue them in the fashion that Matt is.
Speaker 3: But Matt, I'm going to jump on an elephant in
Speaker 3: the room, which is the words that are sitting behind you. Now,
Speaker 3: I've heard plenty of people on and off air, and
Speaker 3: lots of emails and lots of people when I meet
Speaker 3: them who say exactly what your TV says behind which
Speaker 3: is in net zero. But let's also be honest that
Speaker 3: the trumpet and patriots who screamed that from the rooftop,
Speaker 3: or one nation who've screamed that from the rooftop, that's.
Speaker 1: Not even ten percent.
Speaker 3: So how do those three words behind you become fifty
Speaker 3: plus one?
Speaker 5: But the reality there is, Paul, Obviously, people don't think
Speaker 5: those two parties are ready for governments either. I mean,
Speaker 5: with all respect to both of them. I know mister
Speaker 5: Palmer was saying that his lead been the next prime minister,
Speaker 5: but I remember the full page ads and some of
Speaker 5: the profile picks didn't even have people in them. They
Speaker 5: had the blank profile like a reserve grade football player
Speaker 5: they've been brought up and hasn't didn't make the photo
Speaker 5: shoot before the season. Yeah, I think that might have
Speaker 5: limited their vote shares there and not be a due
Speaker 5: reflection of this issue. As I said earlier, Paul, my
Speaker 5: firm belief is the Australian people deserve a real cho
Speaker 5: and that real choice is only going to come from
Speaker 5: differences between the two parties of government, parties that can
Speaker 5: form government or of any prospect of form and government.
Speaker 5: As I say, with due respect to those other parties,
Speaker 5: and we haven't given them that. We haven't given them
Speaker 5: that on this issue. The Labor Party likes to think
Speaker 5: that we've ended the cult of the climate wars. And
Speaker 5: there's no doubt why they like to think that, because
Speaker 5: every time we actually do fight the climate wars, we win.
Speaker 5: Every time we've taken it up, we've won. And the
Speaker 5: core perhaps original sin, if you like, the original sin
Speaker 5: of our campaign and everything I'm saying here I said
Speaker 5: to my colleagues of the last few months. I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to be a Monday expert. I've said things like
Speaker 5: this on your show. The original sin of how we
Speaker 5: frame the campaign was, if you ask somebody how would
Speaker 5: we lower the cost of living in the next term
Speaker 5: of government. It was very hard to provide an answer. Now,
Speaker 5: towards the end we had the petrolexcise cut. That was
Speaker 5: for a and it was temporary. We didn't really offer
Speaker 5: a strong answer to the question, how are we going
Speaker 5: to make your life easier under a coalition government? Now,
Speaker 5: this was a cost of living election. Everybody said that
Speaker 5: was the most important issue. All of those posters have
Speaker 5: a lot of other things wrong, said it was the
Speaker 5: most important issue. I think it was the most important
Speaker 5: is show is what people said to me. But we
Speaker 5: didn't have a coherent answer to that question. Now I
Speaker 5: want to end that zero not because I've just always
Speaker 5: had that view of how crazy it is and terrible
Speaker 5: it is. I want to end that zero because I
Speaker 5: genuinely believe it is going to lower the price of
Speaker 5: almost everything for people. It will be effectively a wage
Speaker 5: rise for every Australian if we end that zero, because
Speaker 5: we'll bring down the cost of making groceries and bring
Speaker 5: down the cost of transporting yourself around the country. It
Speaker 5: will boost our productivity, which it itself will boost real
Speaker 5: wages over time as well. And I think it's about
Speaker 5: time the lower and middle class of this country and
Speaker 5: get a pay rise. They've been promised one by this
Speaker 5: labor government. Instead, they've held a massively backwards and the
Speaker 5: most direct and easy way we could give an injection
Speaker 5: of wealth to struggling Australians would be to remove the
Speaker 5: anchor around everybody's ankle here of net zero of these
Speaker 5: crazy green policies was just impose costs on our economy
Speaker 5: and our people without providing any environmental benefit whatsoever. I
Speaker 5: think we can win that argument with the point alone
Speaker 5: that why is it that we continue to export record
Speaker 5: a record amount last quarter of coal to other countries,
Speaker 5: yet we use none of it ourselves.
Speaker 2: Let's start using our.
Speaker 5: God given lateral resources again for the wealth of Australians
Speaker 5: and that would make everybody's life easier.
Speaker 3: No, it's just I didn't want to have this conversation
Speaker 3: without dealing with that as to say, hence why a
Speaker 3: bit of an elephant in the room, but very well answered.
Speaker 9: Very Look, I'm wan to think that that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 9: Net zero is just this absolute weight. It's feederers on
Speaker 9: the entire economy, on everybody. We all pear the post
Speaker 9: that we all know that you try and end it.
Speaker 9: Of course you get accused of fighting a culture war.
Speaker 9: You know, that's the thing that the left is going
Speaker 9: to do to try and shut down these necessary discussions
Speaker 9: on the right. And I think that's something that needs
Speaker 9: to be watched out for. But you know, and again
Speaker 9: not to play after action, you know, Monday morning quarterback here.
Speaker 9: But there are lessons to be learned here. And another
Speaker 9: big thing here is Anthony Albanezy and Labor ran the
Speaker 9: most cynical, dishonest campaign I have ever seen in decades
Speaker 9: of watching elections here and in the United States. That
Speaker 9: is saying something the way Murray Watt laughed, just absolutely
Speaker 9: straight up laughed in the face of people on Saturday
Speaker 9: night here on the panel here on this network when
Speaker 9: he was called out on all of Labour's lives. You know,
Speaker 9: that just shows what they erupted. A guess, but I
Speaker 9: think you know, again, the party didn't come up with
Speaker 9: a way to quickly shut down the six hundred billion
Speaker 9: dollars shut down this that the other thing all in
Speaker 9: the lives. There was no clap back and it looked
Speaker 9: flat footed. And therefore, because there were no other policies
Speaker 9: around which to define themselves. Labor got to define the
Speaker 9: terms of the debate and the real paradox of that
Speaker 9: is Labor created this debate as a cost of living election.
Speaker 9: That they created the problem too, and their solution, the
Speaker 9: sugar hits. The coalition just matched it. There was no argument.
Speaker 9: I said, no, we're not going to do anything because
Speaker 9: we don't want to get criticized. And I'm sorry for
Speaker 9: the fiscally responsible party, Like what the hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right, lads. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I look forward to convening again next Monday and many
Speaker 3: chats between now and then. Thank you, senator, future senator,
Speaker 3: looking forward to that again. And another Senator is one
Speaker 3: other than the wonderful Pauline Hanson. She joins us straight
Speaker 3: after the break, her thoughts on the election and hopes
Speaker 3: for a daughter beating Jackie Lamby in Tasmania. Looking okay,
Speaker 3: right on the line. We have followed Pauline Hanson for
Speaker 3: a long time. Next year, can you believe thirty years
Speaker 3: in and around Australian politics. She has been in this
Speaker 3: send it for a significant period of time. Next election
Speaker 3: it'll be her name on the ballot again. But at
Speaker 3: this election, many candidates running in many different seats, a
Speaker 3: better result than last time, But the headline is that
Speaker 3: her daughter Lee Hanson pretty close to a very competitive
Speaker 3: run against Jackie Lamby. We won't know for a few days,
Speaker 3: most likely even in a couple of weeks about what's
Speaker 3: going to happen, but the One Nation leader joins us now, Pauline,
Speaker 3: love you to see you must be a sense of
Speaker 3: relief after an election is over, a chance to put
Speaker 3: your head down for a little while. But unlike previous elections,
Speaker 3: it's not just your name on the ballot in terms
Speaker 3: of the family. So how are you feeling after this one?
Speaker 10: Look, paul I'm pleased with our vote. We've gone up
Speaker 10: just about in every seat across the country that we
Speaker 10: stood candidates in.
Speaker 8: I'm very pleased with that.
Speaker 10: I just like to personally say thank you to everyone
Speaker 10: who voted for One Nation this election, and appreciate all
Speaker 10: the help and volunteers that we've got to help us.
Speaker 10: We didn't get to man every polling booth. It's extremely
Speaker 10: hard for a minor party, but the end result, you know,
Speaker 10: I can't can't say I'm not about it.
Speaker 3: So give me an idea about this race in Tasmania.
Speaker 3: I saw James was on here a little bit earlier.
Speaker 3: It's not I think with Peter saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: this picture is really interesting and it's not just blowing smoke.
Speaker 1: This thing is very, very tight.
Speaker 3: It's all about what are called quotas and the percentage
Speaker 3: of a quota that is left over from the main
Speaker 3: sources of preferences. For one nation, that's going to be
Speaker 3: Liberal preferences. For Lambia, it's going to be labor preferences.
Speaker 3: So again you're not going to say she's going to
Speaker 3: win or Blues, but what's your thought on what's happening here.
Speaker 8: Well, I think she's in with the chance Paula.
Speaker 10: She said, with preferences, and of course the Libs have
Speaker 10: got about one point five to two percent of the
Speaker 10: quota now system that they have, so therefore those preferences
Speaker 10: will be distributed. Labor at this stage has got two
Speaker 10: just over two and a half quotas. Of course Libs
Speaker 10: are about one half quotas, and therefore the Greens have
Speaker 10: taken on. So if you look at the seats, there's
Speaker 10: still another one there in one that's up for grabs.
Speaker 8: If you think that Libs do get the.
Speaker 10: Second one, I think that a lot of the people
Speaker 10: about I'd say, and I woke the booth down there
Speaker 10: in the heart of Tobart, that about seventy to eighty
Speaker 10: percent of people never even took how to vote cards,
Speaker 10: weren't interest walk past. Everyone had an idea how they
Speaker 10: were going to vote. And another thing about it, Paul,
Speaker 10: is that they vote differently below the line down in Tasmania.
Speaker 10: So most of them will vote a lot will vote
Speaker 10: below the line.
Speaker 8: Also, you've got.
Speaker 10: To think that although Labor gave Jackie Lamb with the
Speaker 10: second preference, a lot of people didn't take the out
Speaker 10: to vote cards. But there's a big issue about the
Speaker 10: semen industry in Tasmania. Now, the semon industry employs about
Speaker 10: five thousand people and there's another few companies indirectly associated
Speaker 10: with it as well.
Speaker 8: She's got a lot of workers there.
Speaker 10: She's come out against the semin industry, so as the Greens.
Speaker 10: So if they go to vote on the labor ticket
Speaker 10: and who support the seminin industry, do you think they're
Speaker 10: going to give Lamby their second preference.
Speaker 8: I doubt it. So it's going to be quite interesting
Speaker 8: even to see about labors preferences. If they have to
Speaker 8: be distributed.
Speaker 3: How do you think Elbow is going to be with
Speaker 3: a bigger number and presumably many more years in front
Speaker 3: of him as Prime minister.
Speaker 10: Look, I don't think he'll walk away from his loll
Speaker 10: his policies. I think that this is given him a mandate,
Speaker 10: possibly not to cut back the immigration levels.
Speaker 8: He'll keep powering head with the renewables.
Speaker 10: Just even down at Singleton people who are hrying out,
Speaker 10: they're out in arms about one hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 10: thousand panels that are going to go on prime agricultural land.
Speaker 10: As you spoke earlier about the wind turbines. That's nothing
Speaker 10: to stop him now whatsoever. And if they get control
Speaker 10: in the Senate with the Greens, they'll just do whatever
Speaker 10: they want to. I think the Libs had a very
Speaker 10: very poor campaign. I had people constantly asking me about Dudden.
Speaker 2: I like Duddon.
Speaker 10: I think he's a very good man, been a great
Speaker 10: prime minister for the country, but it wasn't to be.
Speaker 8: He couldn't win the people.
Speaker 10: Over and their election campaign was ridiculous. They never fought
Speaker 10: back at all, and he should have stood his ground
Speaker 10: about those public servants and said, you know, well, once
Speaker 10: they leave the work, we won't be replacing them. We
Speaker 10: could have handled that way. He backed away from a
Speaker 10: lot of it. He didn't put up strong policies about
Speaker 10: you know, tax cuts. If he had to put up
Speaker 10: what we said about the split income income splitting all
Speaker 10: the pension is working, that would have been more beneficial
Speaker 10: to him.
Speaker 1: So, as a.
Speaker 3: Person who has stood their ground for thirty years, again,
Speaker 3: you want a strong liberal party because that matters in
Speaker 3: terms of preferences and in terms of an opposition to labor.
Speaker 3: But just for all of those political types that are
Speaker 3: watching us right now, what is the pull enhance and
Speaker 3: advice when all the media is screaming at you, when
Speaker 3: all the interest groups are pushing back, when all of
Speaker 3: the lovees are saying, oh, what a detestable thing to say.
Speaker 8: But about what I said about Dunnan or I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying, I'm just saying about holding your ground.
Speaker 3: About what's your advice to politicians you know who who say,
Speaker 3: you know, we'll get an advice of saying, oh, I
Speaker 3: can't say that that's going to piss off this group.
Speaker 3: Oh the polls are telling us this, The poles are
Speaker 3: telling you that how do they get a bit of
Speaker 3: pulling in their spine to say no, no, I believe it.
Speaker 3: It's what I believe, and I'll argue it until the
Speaker 3: day we're done.
Speaker 10: That's what people want, Paul, I hear it all the time.
Speaker 10: What do I hear from people all the time. You've
Speaker 10: got the guts to say what we're thinking. People wants.
Speaker 10: Honest politicians. Don't tell us one thing and do another
Speaker 10: thing on the floor of Parliament. Don't see whichever way
Speaker 10: the poll's coming out before you actually make a decision.
Speaker 10: I was first to come out against the Voice, and
Speaker 10: I was proven right first to come out against the
Speaker 10: Cave and the COVID JAB. Again, the evidence that's coming
Speaker 10: out now, people shouldn't been forced to have it. A
Speaker 10: lot of these things I fight based on my inner
Speaker 10: gut and knowing how these strained people think. Because I'm
Speaker 10: one of them. I haven't lost my grassroots contact with people,
Speaker 10: and I wish the politicians a lot of the ones.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 10: I have no connection with employing people or understanding running
Speaker 10: the business.
Speaker 8: Nothing well.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that disappoints me the most
Speaker 3: about the result is the Labor Party's attitude was basically.
Speaker 1: Very anti small business. Anyway, I've got to go.
Speaker 3: We're out of time, but there's plenty more chats and
Speaker 3: that exter while all the best to lay and again
Speaker 3: congratulations are on doing much better at this election. The
Speaker 3: people of one nation. All right, that's our show. We'll
Speaker 3: see you again tomorrow when Nigel Farage returns