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Speaker 1: from Ana Movement. Anna Gold's Worthy. I just rang her.

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Speaker 1: Were you really scrubbing the floor?

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Speaker 2: I was scrubbing the base of my shower. This is

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Speaker 2: my It's just you know, being house proud and focused

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Speaker 1: Soap scums real, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a pain in the bomb. But I was

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Speaker 2: trying out a new home recipe and I'll let you

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Speaker 1: Does it involve vinegar, of course? And does it involved

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Speaker 2: No. I made that mistake at previous time where I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true, but somebody did

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Speaker 1: tell me this is going to sound ridiculous, but in

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Speaker 1: light of what are other things it does Coca cola

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Speaker 1: like full sugar coke, because that's acidic as fuck, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna that. Doesn't that take rust off old coins and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll put it in my shower baits.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the mold that will kind of

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Speaker 2: I've seen you know, power tools, you put them in

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Speaker 1: I think if you put a tooth in coke for

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Speaker 1: beautifully Colleen. Otherwise everyone who drinks coke would have superstar

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Speaker 1: been Planet Harps has been frantic. It is. We're recording

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Speaker 1: revisiting of an old episode today with Harry Garside of course,

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Speaker 1: How come how often do you see someone who comes

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Speaker 1: you what, what a great Yes, a great role model

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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that you just said his role as

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, she was like, you've got to understand that

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm so sorry, I'm so it's like something can

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Speaker 1: friend of mine who sadly passed away, one of my

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Speaker 1: best mates from school. He played footy for Hawthorne and

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Speaker 1: he also played footy for the Brisbane Bears. He was

435
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Speaker 1: a helicopter pilot. He was the first winner of Survivor

436
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: Season one, one of my best mates. Shout out to

437
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: his brother Pete. Awesome human. But anyway, Dicko, I remember

438
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: Dicko telling me when he arrived at Hawthorne. Now this

439
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: was in nine eighty two, right, so forty two years ago.

440
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Speaker 1: One night, in the middle of summer, they did one

441
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Speaker 1: hundred one hundred meters sprints. Like that is so fucking terrible.

442
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: That is so bad for like, so in the heat,

443
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: they're sprinting ten kilometers. There's no benefit to that. There's

444
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Speaker 1: only potential risk and damage. And you might go, oh,

445
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: toughens them up. No, it doesn't. It makes them hate

446
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: the coach, and there's physiologically you know, it's just stupid shit.

447
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: And even back in the day when I arrived at

448
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Speaker 1: Saint Kilda, which was a long time ago now, but

449
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Speaker 1: I arrived there in I think it was nineteen ninety four,

450
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: ninety five I was there, it was like and it's

451
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Speaker 1: not like I was a world leader in exercise science,

452
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: but before I got there, there was no rhyme or reason.

453
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: The conditioning work, yes, that like the bitness stuff and

454
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: speed stuff and skill stuff of course that kind of

455
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: but the actual strength training, there was no rhyme or reason,

456
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: like there was a couple of weights in this shitty gym.

457
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: Of course, it's very different now, been to the gym

458
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Speaker 1: ats and Kilda. It's like the fucking space station now,

459
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: it's like being at NASA now. But back in the

460
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: day and we're talking only you know, like one generation ago.

461
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: We're talking twenty five years ago, it was fucking archaic,

462
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: so so understanding how to optimize a body. It's still

463
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Speaker 1: very much in its evolution.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's happening quite fast though, right. And I think

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Speaker 2: the other thing in the big difference in that with

466
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Speaker 2: the you know, one hundred spents in one hundred degree

467
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Speaker 2: type situation is like the idea that we thought we

468
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: were teaching people's physical toughness, but it turns out it's

469
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Speaker 2: the mental flexibility fitness and toughness that's the greater ally

470
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: when it comes to being you know, high level athletes

471
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Speaker 2: and even you know down to the to the degree

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Speaker 2: of being able to make decisions about your own body

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Speaker 2: with your own body literacy in saying today is not

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Speaker 2: a great training day for me, or yet today is

475
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Speaker 2: the appropriate training day for me based on what's happening

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Speaker 2: in my body, and that's where the refining is happening.

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Speaker 1: So your own body literacy is a term that nearly

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Speaker 1: no one's heard of.

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Speaker 2: Unpack that body literacy, I guess I'm going to talk

480
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: about it from a very broad point of view. So

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Speaker 2: if we took anxiety, for example, like our body has,

482
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: there's multiple things in our system from our body that

483
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: communicates warning bells that something is not right for us

484
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: from a body point of view, so it becomes your

485
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Speaker 2: I guess we miss the other sense of in teroception.

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Speaker 2: So there's you know, we can see, we can hear,

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00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: we can taste in teroception, that ability to know, you know,

488
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: this isn't the best day for me, or that discomfort

489
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: is an okay discomfort versus this isn't a good discomfort

490
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: to be moving through. I'm dehydrated, so that's making me

491
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: grumpy or not great. It's not a great decision making

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00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: right now. So it's yeah, it's the ability to go

493
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Speaker 2: I can feel what's going on in my body and

494
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Speaker 2: make a clear decision whether I act on that in

495
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Speaker 2: you know, as in my tools of do I do

496
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: ABCD today in terms of using training, but beyond that,

497
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Speaker 2: I don't make myself feel guilty about making a decision

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Speaker 2: that feels in line with what my body needs.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the tough things, right. So you talk

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Speaker 1: about biofeedback, what our body is telling us, listening to that,

501
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: and then being able to act on that in an

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Speaker 1: intelligent way, right, I think one of the did I

503
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Speaker 1: get that right? Or did I fuck that up?

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Speaker 2: I think that's so.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges though, is so there

506
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: are two truths that what you said is true. Is

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Speaker 1: that our body's going, Hey, have a bit more rest,

508
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: have a bit more sleep, run faster, jump higher, have

509
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Speaker 1: more water. Whatever it is like, our body is always

510
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: speaking to us. That's truth number one. Truth number two

511
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Speaker 1: for some people anyway, is that we are really emotional

512
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Speaker 1: in our decision making about our body. So we are no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to eat nothing today because last night I

514
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: had a big night, or I'm going to If running

515
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: five k's is good, then running ten k's is twice

516
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: as good. If training three days a week in the

517
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Speaker 1: gym is good, then six days is brilliant, and ten

518
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: days a week in the gym is amazing. So I'm

519
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Speaker 1: doing do you know what I mean? It's like yeah,

520
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Because we're emotional creatures. And I always say this, you know,

521
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: try to de emotionalize when it comes to your body

522
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Turn down the emotion and turn

523
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: up the strategy and the science and the logic. Because

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Speaker 1: if you are if you have an unhealthy relationship with

525
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: your body, which is every second person who listens to

526
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: this show and you know who you are, or an

527
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: unhealthy relationship with food also a lot of you motherfuckers

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00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: and me too, you know, and you have a capacity

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00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: or a perhaps a tendency to make what are not

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00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: the best decisions for your health or body because you

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Speaker 1: are operating out of fear or laziness or whatever, then

532
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: at some stage we need to be able to go, Okay,

533
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: what is my body actually telling me? And how do

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Speaker 1: I use that information wisely?

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Speaker 2: I think identity comes into all that as well, because

536
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: fitness industry is confusing all that kind of stuff. But

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00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: in there as well is this idea that you know,

538
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: am I going to the gym because it picks a

539
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: box in terms of what I think I'm meant to do?

540
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Or you know, can I make a decision and be

541
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Speaker 2: at ease with that decision? And how does that lining

542
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: with my identity and my run with mydea sun this

543
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: morning might be a good good example, a parenting example.

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Speaker 2: So if we track back, you know, I don't know,

545
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: maybe five months ago, four months ago, I can't remember

546
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: how long we've been doing it. He's eleven, So we're

547
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: going to give him a break in terms of you know,

548
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: not fully developed frontal lobe and you know, not connecting

549
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: to emotional senses.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a fully developed frontal alive and I'm

551
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Speaker 1: fucking sixty, yeah.

552
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: And our emotional center takes a little bit longer to

553
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: connect and recover. So getting him out of bed was

554
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: very hard. Getting him there was really tricky. And then

555
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: fast forward to after the run, we'd be in the

556
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Speaker 2: car and he'd be apologizing for the pain in the

557
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: bum basically, and I'd have to pull him through the

558
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: through the run like we're running and also here and

559
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: there be like, hey, buddy, we're doing this together, and

560
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: the amount of complaining you're doing is actually not very

561
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: kind to me. Let you know, what, can you processify

562
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: yourself anyway where we'd get through the runs and then

563
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: cut forward, we've done a good four or five runs

564
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: now where there's been no complaining. There's been you know,

565
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: keeping up and taking accountability for himself and all that

566
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then today he came, but he's

567
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: had just a bit of a block nose otherwise, well,

568
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: but a bit of a block nose for a good

569
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Speaker 2: week or so. So came and we started running, and

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Speaker 2: he started sort of hanging back, really hanging back, and

571
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Speaker 2: from me from an adult in parenting, I can be

572
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Speaker 2: helpful here point of view if I take the time

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Speaker 2: machine back to before I was encouraged him by pushing

574
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Speaker 2: a little bit because I knew that he was there

575
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: was no reason for his body not to doing something

576
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: hard mentally, emotionally, physically, was a good thing for him

577
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: to be learning about and then today he was hanging back,

578
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: not feeling quite right, and I said, hey, I'm going

579
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 2: to run today. If you don't, if you don't feel

580
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 2: like it's right for you today, you make that call.

581
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: She said, oh, yeah, I'm going to walk for a

582
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: little bit. Oh, I'll catch up to you. So I

583
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: stopped at our normal stop and kind of looked back,

584
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: and as a fair way back, he caught up and

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00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: I said, so, what do you think are you going

586
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: to run today? He said, yeah, I've got this funny

587
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: pain in my shoulder, and da da da da da.

588
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: I said, your call. I'm going to keep running though.

589
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: And we got to the end, and another beautiful story

590
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: in there. There I was hanging on the back of

591
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Speaker 2: an old guy called Bob, and I passed Bob and

592
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: I said thanks. I was hanging on your heels for

593
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: a bit. That's a whole nother story. But Bob and

594
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: I crossed the line together. We will help each other

595
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: along the way. Whole nother story. But he got to

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Speaker 2: the end of My son apologized to me for not running,

597
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: and I said, buddy, don't abandon your decision now. You

598
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: made a good decision for your body. You don't need

599
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: to answer for my feelings when you've made a choice

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00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: about what your body is telling is right for today.

601
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: So there's always these fun magic moments that we get

602
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: kind of learned from. But hopefully for people listening, that's

603
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: a bit of an example of body literacy and the

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00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: context of how you make decisions very much comes down

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00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: to your identity where you're trying to go to who

606
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: else you're answering for? But what what are you saying

607
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: sorry for, buddy?

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Speaker 1: Because I think it's amazing that you're teaching your kid that,

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00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: you know, because I feel again, just my feeling. But

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, as a collective species, we've maybe

611
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: never been more disconnected from the wisdom that is our body.

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00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: And I wasn't around a thousand years ago or ten

613
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, but I feel like our ancestors were

614
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: much more plugged in to the wisdom of their own

615
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: body and much more immersed in nature and had that.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, we don't live in that

617
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: time or that environment anymore. I get it, I get it,

618
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: but and I think the world, well, arguably, you know

619
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: a lot of where we live and how we live

620
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: now is infinitely better, let's put an asterisk next to that.

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Speaker 1: But also there are you know, there are things that

622
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: have been lost along the way, like when you look

623
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Speaker 1: at how intuitive and instinctive and intelligent animals are when

624
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: nobody's taught them in inverted commas. And now it's like,

625
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: as a species, as an animal roaming the planet, we've

626
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: evolved to this point where we can't fucking understand any

627
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: thing about our own body. I was going to tell

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Speaker 1: you so yesterday today, being Saday, yesterday morning at Crown,

629
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Speaker 1: I opened what is the what's it called the Ignite

630
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Speaker 1: Fitness Business Conference for the Amazing Male Tempest, And so

631
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: I did the opening keynote to a whole bunch of

632
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: jim owners, gym managers, fitness professionals, blah blah blah blah blah,

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00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: And I just wanted your take on this because it

634
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: kind of it opened a bit of a Pandora's box,

635
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: and I spoke about this. So my thoughts about the

636
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: fitness industry. Fitness industry gets a lot right and a

637
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: few things terribly wrong, I think, and probably a few

638
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: things that could be better. But I think one of

639
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: the things that the fitness industry and maybe even the

640
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: health profession more broadly speaking, could start to think about

641
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: is just the person underneath the body. You know. It's

642
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: like we're good with bodies. We're pretty good with bodies.

643
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: We're not always great with people, now, you know. And

644
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I know like, if you've got a million dollar gym

645
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: and you've got you've got a PhD in exos physiology,

646
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: and you've got all the resources and all the knowledge,

647
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: and someone comes into that gym but you can't understand them,

648
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: or they can't understand you, or they're intimidated by you,

649
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: or you can't build connection and rapport and trust with

650
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: them as an educator or exos physiologist or coach or

651
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: dietitian or doctor or whatever, then that person's not coming back.

652
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter about your fucking million dollar jim

653
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: or your PhD. And I was talking about that, and

654
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: I was talking about trying to help or at least

655
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: trying to start the conversation around, you know, for one

656
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: of a more scientific term, getting in shape, right, so

657
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: changing our body in the way that someone wants their

658
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: body to be changed, eether or not. That's navigating shitty

659
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: posture or obesity, or reducing back pain or dealing with

660
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: endometriosis or you know. One of the myriad of things

661
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: that we might want to improve about our physiology and

662
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: function is to get people to think about the role

663
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: of the mind and how much For example, getting in

664
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: shape is an emotional on a psychological process with a

665
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: physical outcome. And had a guy follow me out of

666
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: the room. I won't say his name because it's just

667
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: a work in progress at the moment, but he owns

668
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: a really big organization and he's like, would you be

669
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: interested in I can't say even what country, but would

670
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: you be interested in working with us and coming to

671
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: this It's a country I've never been to, right and

672
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: essentially what you talk about, I want you to come

673
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: and talk about that over there. I'm like, well, I'm

674
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: very interested. And it's funny because the stuff that I

675
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: spoke about is the stuff that they've been trying to

676
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: to I guess foster within under the banner of fitness

677
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: and health, and I guess that you know, My long

678
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: winded point is that we're just starting to open it

679
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: open the door now on helping people, yes, get in

680
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: shape physically, but also understand the role, the role and

681
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: the integration of the mind and the emotions in the

682
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: physical transformation process.

683
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is the world I leave in, Like

684
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: the I understand. My role in helping people now is

685
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: understanding the physiology of their story. So how do how

686
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: does my identity and my stories turn up in the

687
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: way operating my body? So, if you're the you know,

688
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: the fitness person sitting in front of someone, part of

689
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: your role is to understand that if you've got ideas

690
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 2: that you're trying to shove down someone's throat and they're

691
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: not you know, not able to do them, or they're

692
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: doing them differently than you like, and you've become personally

693
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: offended by that, that's you holding a value so rigidly

694
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: that you can't see someone else's point of view. Therefore

695
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: you are not helpful. You are just not able to

696
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: be there. And I think part of that when you

697
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: do really, really, really well with helping people, it changes

698
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: the tape of how quickly it happens. And the fitness

699
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: industry is known for twelve weeks to this, eight weeks

700
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: to this summer program, all all that kind of stuff.

701
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: But when it comes to a trainer understanding themselves or

702
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: the exerciser understanding what it would take to commit to

703
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: their health long term. Those tools are mentally emotionally uncomfortable.

704
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: They are not taught in the fitness industry as well

705
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: how to do them, and it doesn't happen quickly, so

706
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't really fit up with the business model business industry.

707
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: And I've struggled with this as a younger clinician, and

708
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: still even now as a business owner they're making making

709
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: money from health. Still feel a bit odd to me

710
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: because I feel like health is a right in a way,

711
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: and how do we how do we do that? And

712
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: ironically the only way is to become hugely financially independent

713
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: and then be able to just do other things for

714
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: free in the background. Yeah, but it just comes about money.

715
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nah, Look, I mean you can. I've said this

716
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot. They don't have to be mutually exclusive, Like

717
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: you're really good at what you do, you should charge

718
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: you know. It's like I've said this before on the show.

719
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm really fortunate now that I've kind of built a

720
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: career and I've built an income which works for me

721
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: and I don't have to do not everything I do

722
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: needs to be for money. So I'm lucky that I

723
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: would say about twenty percent of my work in inverted commas.

724
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: And if you call work helping people, supporting people, coaching people,

725
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: sitting with people. You know, maybe fifteen percent of what

726
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: I do I do for nothing, and I do it gladly,

727
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: and I hope in ten years fifty percent or more

728
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: of what I do is just helping people. Right, It's

729
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: like with no financial kind of component to it. But

730
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, I have three people

731
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: who work for me. You know, bills, you have bills.

732
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: There's a practical reality. I don't think you being an

733
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: awesome you being an awesome human and helping people. It

734
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be mutually exclusive because there is a

735
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: commercial value to what you do. But I just one

736
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: last thing I wanted to chat about, So getting old. Yeah,

737
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: so the last couple of weeks, and I can't say

738
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: too much, but just so, my dad's had a few challenges, right,

739
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's been an interesting time. And my parents lived

740
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: two hours away, which is fine, but there are times

741
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: where I'm driving up and back two days in a row,

742
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, So it's four hours of driving on a Monday,

743
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: four hours driving on a Tuesday, and I'm okay with that.

744
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: That's fine, but.

745
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: It's makes a tricky agree, it.

746
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: Makes it tricky, right, But what's and I mean, you

747
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: know stuff right, you know, of course a life's more

748
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: important than a fucking bank balance, and you know, we

749
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: say all these things, and it's just like, my dad's

750
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: been in hospital this week, a couple of challenges. It

751
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: thought to be let out on a thought to be

752
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: let out Thursday, and he wasn't, and he ended up

753
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: being able to be released yesterday, and I went to

754
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: get him. I might even give a shout out to

755
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: Saint John have got hospital in Verick. They were fucking amazing,

756
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: so thank you to them for looking after my dad.

757
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: But then, you know, seeing your eighty five year old

758
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: dad who doesn't, you know, understandably doesn't understand the language

759
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: like all the medical you know, and he and Ron

760
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: makes sure you do this and don't do that, and

761
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: here's that, and everyone's good. But it's like that, the

762
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: speed of the conversation, the words being used, and the

763
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, like all of this kind of understandable medical

764
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: jargon because it's a medical environment. But then I'm trying

765
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: to decode everything for him and then kind of put

766
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: it in layman's terms without it being terrifying, and then yeah,

767
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: like getting him home to mum and then Mum's worried

768
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to explain to Mum what's going on,

769
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: and you know, and Mum gets anxious about Dad and

770
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: Dad gets anxious about Mum, and then it's fuck now.

771
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you go, oh, I'm Dad. Now,

772
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: I'm Dad. Now I'm Dad, and oh God, God bless them,

773
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: and you just I don't know, I'm being a bit

774
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: deep and philosophical, but you kind of you get to

775
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: a point and everyone does this and this is this

776
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: has been said billions of times, but you know where

777
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: you go, this is actually all that matters, Like this

778
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: is all that matters. Like my priority these days is

779
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: really how do I What can I do to make

780
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: them okay? What can I do to make them less

781
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: terrified more comfortable? You know? What is how do I

782
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: how do I make the next one two, five years

783
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: or however long they have? What can I do to

784
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: make that as close to a good experience as an

785
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: eighty five year old a couple can have? You know?

786
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: So that's been my that's been my week.

787
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard, right because it feels it feels

788
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: not too dissimilar to the fitness industry conversation. Like it's

789
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: really is that in the end, the person in front

790
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: of you has to choose what their mental emotional capacity

791
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: is and how much they're able to deal with it

792
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: and the choices that they make under that pressure, and

793
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: they might align with your moral and value code and

794
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: they and it might not. And then that's where this

795
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: kind of you know, what's what my role in this

796
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: kind of organization of a family? How does how does

797
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: that fit in there? And that that in itself can

798
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: feel a bit uncomfortable because it's just not as smooth

799
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: as the day to day when there's you're throwing that

800
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: little bit of challenge in there as well. I think, yeah,

801
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: it's it's big and I think I think when we

802
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: go off that version of autopilot to the scary version

803
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 2: of autopilot, is you know, how long will these poor

804
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: people in my life be there for?

805
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: It?

806
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: Does? It's like the interview at the end of the Olympics,

807
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: the guy with the TBI that you said at the start,

808
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: like you've got you in there, almost drawn out version

809
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: of intensity that doesn't kind of go away, It just

810
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: rattles away. In the back of your mind and changes

811
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: the way you operate and what you want to do.

812
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: And it's kind of a rattling of fear that follows

813
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: you around.

814
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: And it's different when like I've spent my life helping

815
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: people with their health, and then when it's your mum

816
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: and dad, it's like, oh, this is quite different, isn't it. Hey,

817
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: last thing, I thought of one more thing that I

818
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: meant to talk about earlier. You ready, So you know,

819
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: when I get excited about something, I do bang on

820
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: about it. I will be less excited and bang on

821
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: less about this after this, everyone. But I read a

822
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: book recently called Unfollow, and I've spoken about it. I've

823
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: mentioned it probably three times. Fuck it. It's called Unfollow

824
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: by a lady called Megan Phelps Roper who was part

825
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: of a church called the Westboro Baptist Church, which is

826
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: a cult, a religious cult. And oh my god, just

827
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've read over a thousand books in

828
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: my life. I'm sure I've read a lot of books,

829
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of books more recently than read.

830
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: I listened to that full disclosure right now. Anyway, Maybe

831
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: it'll change over time, but right now it's in my

832
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: top five books. And I can't even tell you why.

833
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: Well I can, but anyway, enough, I fucking I was

834
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: so interested. Now you on my recommendation, and thank you.

835
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: You just listen to it. What are your thoughts?

836
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm not finished, but to your point, like I cannot stop,

837
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I get the thing about reading

838
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: versus listening. Some people, you know, think that they're devaluing

839
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: something about it when you listen. But there is something

840
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: captivating about hearing her voice saying it.

841
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: Yes.

842
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: It's just there's a calmness to it, and there's attention

843
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: to the whole thing. It's just an't I can't put

844
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: it down. And the insights that she has around the

845
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: coercive nature and the confusion of, you know, to our point,

846
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: living in a family unit that operates in a particular

847
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: way that you think this is the you know, how

848
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: you should operate and live. And there was so many

849
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: for me, just confirming moments where I was like, oh

850
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: my god, I feel feel that way about my little world.

851
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, I felt great relief when she's left and

852
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: when she's processing the trauma of being controlled and what

853
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: that looks like and the fear that the complete sphere

854
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: that she had to move through to believe, and the

855
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: amazing strength of her to not blame but see the

856
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 2: difference of my my you know, my family are good people,

857
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: but the mind washing that they've gone through, the brainwashing

858
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: is very much you know how how they're operating. And

859
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: there was this one bit I text you before. There

860
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Speaker 2: was a bit that I'm up to and it was

861
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Speaker 2: not a story or a fable that I've heard of before,

862
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Speaker 2: and it was The Snail and the Rose Bush before. Yeah, anyway,

863
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Speaker 2: and the Snail and the rose Bush, and it's a

864
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Speaker 2: it's an author that I need to go back and

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Speaker 2: check because it's one of you know, the great painted

866
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Speaker 2: authors of all time. And the snails disgrunted by the

867
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Speaker 2: world and the rose bushes like but what about the

868
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Speaker 2: world's beauty and what you can give? And the snail

869
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: is you know, to put in in courage terms like

870
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: fuck the world, it's done nothing for me. And she

871
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: then sort of came to this realization that she was

872
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: the rose bush fighting for using the religious platform to

873
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: fight for what they thought was, you know, the thing.

874
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: And she's like, actually, no, I'm now the snail. I

875
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: have to just turn in wood and keep it all

876
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: in wood and just figure out how to operate now.

877
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: And I text you something else that just made me go, oh,

878
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: it blew my mind of what did I write? Just

879
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: having a quick look the snail and the rose bush

880
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: and the illusion of self This is what I wrote,

881
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: the illusion of self control when living in a collective

882
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: confirmation bias and with no real choices, And this idea

883
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: that how she navigates now trying to navigate normal relationships

884
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: because she's fighting with her disburse the moment because they're

885
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: so used to their emotions and thoughts being controlled by

886
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: an external Now that they're able to openly participate in conversations,

887
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: they're having conflict because they've never learned how to have

888
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: their own processes. They were just put in a little box.

889
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: Well and that blue Yeah, it's literally it's literally the

890
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: epitome versus of being told what to think, yes, and

891
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: what to believe, as opposed to being taught how to

892
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: think and like, how to think critically and then come

893
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: to your own belief values, ideas understanding. Yeah. And the

894
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: interesting thing is that they all grew up like they

895
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: were born into that, Like she didn't join it when

896
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: she was twenty. She was literally from the days she

897
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: was born. She was born into that cult of thought

898
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: and that cult of belief and that cult of behavior,

899
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: and so there was never really any question of are

900
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: we in the right place, because they knew in inverted

901
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: commas that they were God's chosen and that everyone in

902
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: the world apart from them wasn't. And when you know,

903
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: she started protesting with placards when she was five years old.

904
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: She couldn't read them. She didn't know she was she

905
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Speaker 2: was holding amazing.

906
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Speaker 1: It is. Let's not let's not start a cult. Anytime

907
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: I think I could start a cult, but I'll refrain. Yeah,

908
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to be a cult leader. But a

909
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: lot of work.

910
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 2: Fuck that bring up a lot of money. True, Yeah,

911
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: it's a little business.

912
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Speaker 1: If I was going to which I wouldn't. But if

913
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Speaker 1: I was going to start a cult, firstly, i'd call

914
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: it a cult so we were transparent. There'd be no

915
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: financial contributions, so then people can't question that. We'd have

916
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: to you'd have to come up with a lot of transparency.

917
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: But it would be funny to call a cult a cult.

918
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: So there, so there's no there's no question mark. Oh yeah,

919
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: of course, we're completely a cult. It's just we own

920
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: up right here we are. You want to join the cult,

921
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: let us know where can people find you?

922
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: Anna still at my dear annamovement dot com, which I

923
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: had a great epiphany on my website as I was

924
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: running as oh, here's a way to fix it. So

925
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: get out there and move if you're trying to solve

926
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: a problem. Instagram. I'm on Instagram, I'm on LinkedIn, and

927
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm running a couple of programs at the moment which

928
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: people are loving. So there's a lunch and learn for

929
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: figuring out your identity impairingmenopause and what that means for

930
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 2: exercise and mental health and all those amazing things. And yeah,

931
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Speaker 2: other projects and supports and speakings going on as well,

932
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: So have a little look in there or reach out

933
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Speaker 2: if people want to.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. I'm going to leave you with this to think about. So,

935
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Speaker 1: the our current crop of Olympians, the ones who have

936
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Speaker 1: won a gold medal, So this is the best in

937
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: the world. The Olympic champion, the Olympic gold medalist wins

938
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Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars. And then that's piece of information number two,

939
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Speaker 1: Number one. Number two is this the first round loser

940
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Speaker 1: at Wimbledon gets seventy six thousand dollars. I'll leave you

941
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Speaker 1: with that. Thanks for being on the show, Champion.

942
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Speaker 2: Thanks Craig. Have a good day everyone,