1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Good ay, welcome to the show. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: This is better than yesterday, making it better every episode 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: every week since twenty thirteen. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Mine am Zosha Ginsburg, and I'm very glad you're here. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty five, and every year this tummy year, 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: I throw out a series of episodes. So it started 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: in twenty ideas for twenty twenty, then I went to 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: twenty one ideas, and now look, here we are twenty 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: five ideas for twenty twenty five. Here we go today 10 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: with ID number six. And why do I do this 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: show Because I'm interested in possibility and painting out a 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: vision of possibility is often far better than painting out. 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: A vision of fear. 14 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: You might have seen I don't know some sort of 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: high profile political launch this week using fear as the 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: reason to choose things that you don't know about. 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. Don't worry about it. As long 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: as you're afraid, you'll be fine. I'll tell you one 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: thing I'm afraid of, and that's not being able to 20 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: pay my morge. So I'm going to play some ads. 21 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: He's an ad break. 22 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: I'll be right back. Thank you so much for helping 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: us keep the lift on here at bt y queue 24 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: onto the ideas. You can find all of these on 25 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: the substack Ochigensburg dot substack dot com number six mandate 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: minimum energy efficiency and new homes and offer incentives to 27 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: retrofit existing structures. It's in all of our interests to 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: have enough electricity, which we can't have if there's not enough. 29 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Of it or it's too expansive. 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: All right now, new homes in many states are already 31 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: mandated to have a minimum six star rating. But what 32 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: about existing structures. There are many existing structures in our 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 2: country that waste a lot of energy, a lot of money, 34 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: and could even be potentially quite unsafe in extreme heat events. 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: So by providing support to people to make their homes 36 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: more energy efficient, however, much energy generation that we need 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: immediately goes down. 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: There's always talk about boast load and supply. 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Well, if you start making homes less hot or warmer 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: or whatever time of year you're talking about, you immediately 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: need less base load. You need to generate less. Now, 42 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: this isn't too far fetched of an idea. It's already 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 2: happening in the Netherlands, it's happening in Germany, it's happened 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: in the US since the seventies through government grants and 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: super low interest rate loans. These countries have retrofitted literally 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: millions and millions of homes, so it's absolutely been able 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: to deploy at scale. In Scandinavia, they retrofit homes like 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: existing times, things built in the sixties, things built in 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: the forties. 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: They retrofit them to passive house standards. 51 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: If you don't know what passive house is, watch a 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: lot of grand designs and come back to me. 53 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: Passive house. 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: Essentially, it's so well insulated and so well sealed that 55 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: it requires zero mechanical heating and cooling, which is pretty 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: pretty excellent. When we put the solar on our roof 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: a couple months back, the projected cost that we would 58 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: save over thirty years it was something like, it's open 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: ninety thousand dollars. That's money that I was going to 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: give to an energy company instead. That money can support 61 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, one of the kids gone through UNI 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: or you know me and order it can put some 63 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: in our super because we're going to live a longer probably, 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: so investing in the efficiency of the house early on 65 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: saves you so much money over time. The energy standards 66 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: in Australia have improved. 67 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: They have, but overall they're pretty wow. 68 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: For any move to make buildings more efficient is meant 69 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: with pushback, like, oh, you're going to drive up construction costs, 70 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: so you're havn't it at the battlers, But come on, 71 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: it's going to cost either way. In the ninety grand 72 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: you're going to pay in power, probably more over the 73 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: next thirty years or so. So you're paying for energy 74 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: that you're buying down the track. But if you're burning 75 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: coal to cool you down, and I'm aware of the 76 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: irony there, Well, there's a big cost there and we 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: don't want to pay that cost. 78 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: So there's a double saving right there. 79 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, minimum energy standards and helping people retrofit existing 80 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: homes so we don't have to generate so much power 81 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: and we can save a whole lot of money as 82 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: we go twenty five years for twenty twenty five idea 83 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: number seven. In the same way that we Stralians gave 84 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: the world the beautiful gift of the dual flush toilet, 85 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: and we gave it to the world like we did 86 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: with penicilin and Wi Fi and Bluie, I'm going to 87 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: challenge the csiro with a doozy here. Yes, you've got 88 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: the dual flush toilet. Let's go one step further, csiro, 89 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: I challenge you create a standardized rainwater and graywater catchment 90 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: system which simply and easily plums into the toilets of 91 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: every home in Australia. Like for a time there was 92 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: a hills hoist in every backyard, all right, there was 93 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: this standard way every single backyard in Australia dried their clothes. 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: The Syro system. That's what the people on the inside 95 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: call it, cyro csira, the Syro system. It would be 96 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: like a little like a poolgate, all right. 97 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: That's a standardized way that we all accept of keeping 98 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: little kids from falling into swimming pools. So the cyro 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: systs will be a standardized way of collecting the rain 100 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: wornd of the grainwater and prioritizing that water to flush. 101 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: Pop a solar panel on top to paralletl UV light 102 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 2: that will help out by keeping down the bacteria on 103 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: the inside. A pump that can pump the water up 104 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: into the house to get it to pressure. If the 105 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: tank is below the house and you can't use gravity 106 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: every twenty four hours, if the water is not flushed, 107 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 2: will the tanks purge out into the garden and you 108 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: just start again because you haven't put in chlorine in it, 109 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: you're just using your v light. Well, then your garden's 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: going to love it. Now, these systems exist, they do. 111 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: They already exist, but they're very hard to scale because 112 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: they are bespoke solutions for every single individual home. So 113 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: if we make them a standard size and modular so 114 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: that I don't know, if your fancy, you've got a 115 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: ten bedroom house, you could say stack three of them 116 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: together to handle all the person whas of the people 117 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: that live there. And it's not just you know, rain water, 118 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: but the greywater. So your standard washing machine on a 119 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: normal cycle uses about fifty liters of water. If you 120 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: pop a dishwasher on top of that, that's another thirty liters. 121 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: Each human in Australia, adult human flushes on average four 122 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: times a day, So that eighty liters of grey water 123 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: out of your washing machine and your dishwasher. That eight 124 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: leaders can take care of the flushes of five people 125 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: every single day. The time for using perfectly good drinking 126 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: water to shit in is over, because there's going to 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: be a time when we really miss that perfectly good 128 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: eighty liters of drinking water that we chat into, like 129 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: we could use water that we've already used once been 130 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: treated a little bit so it doesn't pong, you know, 131 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: because the other thing about that, over the year, that 132 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: eighty liters every day, that's one hundred dollars less on 133 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: your water bill. If the CIRO system is a standardized 134 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: size and mounting, then nobody's got a better one. Nobody's 135 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: got a worse one. If they're standardized, we can make 136 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: heaps of them and the cost of them goes right 137 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: right down. 138 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: It's a simple plumbing job. We all benefit and there's 139 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: more water to drink, which would be lovely and we 140 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: all benefit from that. 141 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: Okay, twenty five ideas for twenty twenty five Idea number eight, 142 00:06:54,440 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: standardize every single electrical plug. If it's a small clients, 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: it's USB cables for everything, all right. 144 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: That's it. 145 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: Every year when we go to the every year in 146 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: our area, we have once a year we can go 147 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: to the waste for a colation center and dump our 148 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: e waste for free. I'm always like dumping a shoe 149 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: box full of orphaned wallboards and plugs, and you know, 150 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: USB a stuff into a skippin. It's ridiculous. So if 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: it's small, it's USBC. If it's something bigger that runs 152 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: on two forties, because a little figure eight thing that 153 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: goes in the back of your telly or a jug cord, 154 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: and that's it. I don't want to hear anything else 155 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: about it. I don't want to know about nature. A 156 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: little cylindrical thing that's got seven hundred bit of a 157 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: you go down to the j car and you try 158 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: to find one because you're trying to charge a toy 159 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: that no, no, no, no, no no. 160 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: That's it. I'm done. I'm done. 161 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: Standardize every single electrical plug. End of story, and then 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: we need to take a break. So my rant is 163 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: beginning on it to d randomy back in a moment. 164 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the show. Twenty five ideas for 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. We're up to idea number nine. If 166 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: you're a corporation and you're liable for a fine for 167 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: breaking the law, a financial law or an environmental law, 168 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: for example, a regulation, put at least one zero on 169 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: the current fine. 170 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: The other day, there was. 171 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: A fossil fuel company in Western Australia that was ordered 172 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: to pay a fine for spilling twenty five thousand. 173 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: Liters of oil into the ocean. How much do you 174 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: think that was. 175 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: If you answered a million bucks, you'd be wrong. If 176 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: you answered a half million bucks, you'd be wrong. Ten 177 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for twenty five thousand liters of oil into 178 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: the perfectly beautiful, delightful Indian Ocean off western Australia. Now, 179 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: I hate to break it to you, but a fossil 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: fuel company will make ten thousand dollars in the time 181 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: that it's taken you to hear this sentence. If the 182 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: fine's imposed on a company to stop them from doing 183 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: terrible things environmentally, are basically able to be absorbed by 184 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: that company as a cost of doing business. That fine 185 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: is not the right fine. Proper fines, like actual fines. 186 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: Really do the job. 187 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: I think about in Queensland when they change the alcohol 188 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: licensing laws. Now bear in mind that I was when 189 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: I was sixteen. I would lie to the face of 190 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: a bouncer in a nightclub and be ab every now 191 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: and again. I'll get into a nightclub at sixteen. But 192 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: if an underage kid goes into a bar in Queensland, 193 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: the licensee or the manager can get fined up to 194 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars the bar staff who served them their 195 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: little utl thing thirteen grand. And like I said, when 196 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: I was able to line, I walk into a club 197 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: in my late teens, the worst that could happen it 198 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: would probably be the licensing cops might to kick me out. 199 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: But now if you think that a barman who's earning 200 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: twenty bucks an hour after tax is going to risk 201 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: thirteen grand, nah man, they're not going to serve you. 202 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: You can take yourself down the park and drink your 203 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: warm Volka Cruiser with all the other kids. Thank you 204 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: very much in the dark, like a proper teenager. 205 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: All right. 206 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 2: Finds like that really drive change. And if you're having 207 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: a lot of change in the hospitality industry, but if 208 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: you're making billions of dollars and possibly not paying tax 209 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: with them in Australia and you know, I don't know, 210 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: pour oil into the sea due to skipping maintenance to 211 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: cut costs or something that finds got a sting, and 212 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean really sting. It's got to make your shareholders 213 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: go what is going on there? To make sure really 214 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: make sure that everybody is playing fair. And here we 215 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: go the final one for today twenty five ideas for 216 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five idea number ten put dental on Medicare. 217 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: Poor dental health is way more than bad breath and 218 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: rotting teeth in a public health system. Poor dental health 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: can lead to things which cost our public health system 220 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: so much more when they present as acute later on. 221 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: Poor dental health is linked to things like heart disease, increase, 222 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: complication with diabetes, pre term birth, low birthway. If that's 223 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: not enough to make you floss and brush twice a day, 224 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But getting things checked 225 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: and you know, regular checkups and getting things cleaned and 226 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: sorted out. 227 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Yes, it does cost money. 228 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 2: Everything costs money, But imagine how much money we would 229 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: save by paying for dental for people rather than treating them. 230 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: Is an acute heart disease patient now with kind of 231 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: weird blood sugar issues because their dental health's been terrible 232 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: for so long. I don't have the data to back 233 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: it up. I'd be very interested to see the long 234 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: term savings or treating way less heart disease patients, diabetics, 235 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: and complicated birth problems every year versus the cost of 236 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: transitioning dental onto Medicare. But it's got to happen, man. 237 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: And look, I said, none of these are new ideas. 238 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: We're not the first country to do these things. You know, 239 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: you just justly got to sell it though. You got 240 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: to sell it as Hey, you guys want to save 241 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: some money. I know you do want to save some money. 242 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: You got to save some money on treating chronic heart 243 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: disease patients and you know, heaps of dialysis and dealing 244 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: with really complicated births and low term birth weight and 245 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: doing our best to keep little early babies in human troops. 246 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: For so long. Let's pay for dental check ups a 247 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: couple of hundred bucks. How about that. 248 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: That's just the five for today. I'll be back next 249 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: week with some more. If you want to come to 250 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: the live gigs, all the details are in the show notes. 251 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: There's a glink there. Osha Ginsberg dot substack dot com. 252 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for everybody they helped me make 253 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: the show today. I'll be back here on Wednesday. 254 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Enjoy. We've got fifteen to go.