WEBVTT - Sharri | 3 September 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.400 Why On Sky News This. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:05.559 Is Sharry. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.760 Good Evening, Welcome to the show tonight. A political storm 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.720 erupts over our exclusive report last night that ASIO boss 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.840 Mike Burgess has finally clarified his comments on whether Hamas 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.000 supporters are welcome in Australia. James Patterson would join me 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.360 tonight to discuss Australia's economy on life support as we 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.000 brace for the worst and your growth since the nineteen 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.400 nineties recession. But who's to blame? We're leading economist Judith 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.559 Sloan will give her view, and Joe Biden dares to 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.080 condemn Israel. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.599 For the murder of hostages by hermas. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.200 Well, where has he been while an American was executed 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:48.279 on holiday? 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.000 Of course, sundowning at the beach. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.000 Will cross live to Israel as the world engages in 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.240 a shocking case of victim blaming. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:58.639 Well, last night I. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:03.120 Exclusively revealed that a Director General Mike Burgess, had clarified 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:07.240 his position on the guards and visa issue. Now to 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.200 our major exclusive, AZIO Director General Mike Burgess has told 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.720 a private gathering that anyone who supports Hamas or the 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.760 October seven terror attacks would pose a security threat. These 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.679 comments clarify his view on the guards of visa issue. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.600 So he made it very clear that Hamas supporters wouldn't 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.759 be welcome in Australia and would be considered a security threat. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.600 The story kicked off today in a major way. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:45.360 Schari Markson revealed last night something that hadn't been revealed previously, 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.960 and that's the ASIO Director General, or as the Prime 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:54.040 Minister would say, Azio. The ASIO Director General, Mike Burgess, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.920 has told a private gathering that anyone who supports Hamas 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.600 or the October seven terror attack would pose a national 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.000 security threat in comments that clarify his views on the 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.040 Gaza visa issue. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.200 Well, I welcome the clarification from the Director General of 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.680 Mike Burgess is a very good man and he works 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.000 day and night to keep our country safe and the 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.320 work of AZIO is to be respected by all Australians. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.799 But the problem is that they've got a government who 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.160 has brought in thirteen hundred people from Gaza without the 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:29.400 requisite security checks. It's reckless. It puts our national security 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.600 at risk. I think, frankly the Prime Minister should be 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.560 apologizing to the ASIO boss for what they've put in 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.320 place which has made asio's job much harder. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.720 The only person who's been critical of the AZIO Director 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:47.239 General is Peter Dutton. What we've done is support our 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:52.679 security agencies. I haven't undermined his authority. I've supported him 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.280 and will continue to do so so. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.680 The Prime Minister refusing to apologize despite the fact that 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:03.800 he did blatantly repeatedly misrepresent the ASIO Director General's physician 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.040 in Parliament. Well, now that Mike Burgess has made it 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:11.160 clear that AMAS supporters do pose a security threat, this 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.480 puts the pressure back on the Prime Minister over whether 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.720 he too will reject terrorst supporters from being given an 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:23.240 Australian visa. After my report last night, the ABC Today 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:27.200 published comments where Burgess said his original remarks on the 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.200 Insiders program had been distorted. He said, and I quote, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.840 I've watched with interest over the last couple of weeks 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.440 how people have chosen. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.520 To distort what I said. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.480 I said that if you support a Palestinian homeland, that 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.440 may not discount you from entering Australia, because that by 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.240 itself is not a problem. But I also said that 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.280 if you have a violent extremist ideology, or you provide 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.360 material or financial support to a terror organization that will 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.880 be a problem. Now I'm going to break this down 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.120 and speak with Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson in 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:08.680 a moment. Now, economic data out tomorrow is expected to 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:09.400 show our. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.120 Economy is dead in the water. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.760 The predictions are that our economy is growing at as 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.000 little as zero point two percent for the June quarter. 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:19.680 This would put on. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.000 Your GDP growth at just zero point nine percent for 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.839 the year. And this if it turns out to be 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.919 those figures, this would be the slowest pace since the 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:34.360 nineteen nineties recession, the weakest economy in more than twenty years, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.839 and this is a major concern for jobs, the mortgage, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.520 the rent and grocery bills. It's why the Treasurer has 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:45.640 accused the RBA of smashing the economy with its thirteen 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:51.080 rate hikes. His comments an extraordinary intervention and show just 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.279 how concerned he is about. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.440 The data out tomorrow. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.200 In a highly political move, Chalmers is now crafting a 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.279 narrative where the Central b think is partly responsible for 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.160 the weak economy, or, as he puts it, for hammering 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.159 Aussie families. The Treasurer today hit home the point that 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:14.560 interest rates are softening our economy in a breakfast television blitz. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.360 I think it's self evident that the interest rates registrate 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.719 rises which are in the system are slowing our economy. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.599 I think it would be strange, really if the treasure 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.440 of Australia couldn't say to the Australian people, you know, 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.240 our economy is slowing, and here are some of the 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.000 reasons why it's slowing, including higher interest rates. But really 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.440 what we've got here is a combination of global economic 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.320 uncertainty combining with higher interest rates and persistent price pressures. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.279 Well, Charmer's strong comments accusing the IBA of smashing the 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:50.440 economy show the stakes are high. Labor and Matt Fistlethwaite 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.760 backed him in yesterday. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.120 We don't want to see the Reserve Bank go too far. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.640 We want to make sure that we do continue to 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:00.680 grow an economy. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.560 And those comments there, well, that's a repeat of the 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.920 fight that Labor backbenchers ran against former RBA Governor Phil Lowe, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.640 turning him into a villain for raising rates repeatedly. At 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.840 the time, while the Treasurer announced major reform of the 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.320 Central Bank, he didn't utter a critical word, so his 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:26.920 intervention now, even though it's subtle is surprising, but Charmers 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:28.520 batted away questions of a. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.560 Rift with the RBA today. Are you all good with 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.039 the RBA? What's going on here? 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.800 Treasurer Jim Chalmers is being forced to fend off accusations 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.360 of a rift between the government and the Reserve Bank. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.320 Looks so you've been picking fights with everyone. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.160 The headline screaming Treasurer tries to pass the buck, Treasurer 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:47.120 plays the blame game. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.800 Treasurer makes RBA threats. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.400 Charmer said he wasn't a war with Michelle Bullock, and 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.680 it is true there's no genuine rift, but politically it 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.640 suits the alb and Eazy government to give the pression 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.560 that the RBA is to blame for household pain. The 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:09.440 coalition has attack Charmers, accusing him of failing to take responsibility. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.520 And not surprisingly alst other countries like Canada and the UK, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.200 Europe are seeing interest rates coming down. Not in Australia. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.960 He has unveiled and now he's just lashing out at everybody. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.240 Then he blamed Philip Loow, and now he's blaming his 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.480 hand picked replacement for Philip Blow, Michelle Bullock, for high inflation. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.320 At some point he's got to turn the mirror onto 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.400 himself and say, what is it that the government can 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.360 be doing well? 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.480 While labor and peas are putting pressure on the RBA 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.920 not to raise rates again. There are some economists to 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.960 a warning that we may still need more rate rises. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.520 It's something Warren Hogan said on this show last night, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.120 and the Finn reports that the Reserve banks recently departed 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.440 research chief says the decision not to raise interest rates 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:01.680 risks entrenching high inflation and hasn't been added quickly scrutinized 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.600 by the Central Banks Board. An economy teetering on the edge, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.600 inflation still above target range, and this means that prices 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.480 are still rising well. The Nightly editor Chris Dahl says 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.239 that while our economy is on life support right now, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.160 the Prime Minister can't stop talking about his wedding and 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:26.120 his love life. Chris Dahl writes, we've heard more from 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.600 the PM's office this past week about whether his second 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.600 wedding is on last weekend's papers or off this weekend's papers. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.120 And it's true all the Prime Minister can think about 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.360 is when he's having his wedding, and he was talking 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.480 about it again on radio in Perth. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.280 No election date from you today? 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.960 What about a wedding date you enjoy any closer? 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.440 That will be sometime in the likely be the second 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.600 half of next year, but it will be after the 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:01.560 election because I want to focus on the job at hand, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.679 and we looked at the diary and there are no 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.440 gaps between now and the end of the year. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.400 Please, no one cares when you're getting married for the 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.440 second time. No one cares where your wedding will be. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.360 People care when their grocery and power bills are going 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.080 to stop rising. And christau Over in the Nightly says 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.559 that when Albanezy isn't speaking about his wedding, he's talking 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:33.319 about Peter Dutton, attacking him for division, for questioning the 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.120 guys of visa process. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.199 So for his nuclear plan. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.200 None of this, his wedding or attacking Dutton is going 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.079 to fix the cost of living crisis. And right now, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.920 if it weren't for high immigration numbers, it's very possible 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:55.839 that Australia could well be in a recession. Okay, we'll 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.840 get to our top story on Mike Burgess clarifying his 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.120 position on the guys of is the issue that made 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.200 news today James Patterson will join me in a moment, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.680 but first nowt to our regular Tuesday panel Farmer Speaker 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.240 of the House Barnwin Bishop and Sky News host kayleb Bond. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.920 Welcome to you both. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 Bronwan, how worried are you about the state of the 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.040 economy ahead of their national accounts figures that are due 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:18.679 out tomorrow? 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:19.560 Very worried. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.160 Look, I listen to the words of the treasurer. He 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.120 tells you in one breath, everything's wonderful, a fantastic treasure 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.920 doing a wonderful thing. And then he beats up on 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.080 the Reserve Bank and says it's all your fault that 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.200 the interest rates are so high. And then he comes 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.720 around and says, well, don't look too much at what's 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.520 happening tomorrow. It's a man who refuses to take responsibility 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.920 for anything at all. And I am worried about those 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.559 figures tomorrow. And I'm worried when I go into shops 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.679 and I have a discussion with the people who work 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.600 there and they tell me about the fact that they're 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.000 worried about losing their jobs, about people who own small 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.120 businesses about having to close down. We are not in 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.600 good shape it's true. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.880 Look, Caleb, in a way, the treasure is saying the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.280 obvious that interest rates do weaken the economy, but he's 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.760 also trying to shift the narrative politically, isn't he. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.360 Yeah, Well, what he is leaving out of that discussion 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.240 is that the reason that interest rates have continued to 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.679 go up for so long is because the government hasn't 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.120 pulled its own leavers. The RBA, as we've said many 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:27.640 times before, has only one lever to pull to reduce inflation, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.400 and that is to increase interest rates. And of course, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.600 interest rates not only affect the household mortgage holder, but 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.040 they affect businesses that rely heavily on loans in order 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.559 to keep operating and to set up new businesses, especially 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.880 small business. That's a major part of why the economy 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.360 flat lines. So that the Treasurer doesn't want to accept 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.520 that it is his own spending that has caused these 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.000 interest rate rises in part, and that therefore means that 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.079 the economy has shrunk or is certainly not moving at 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.320 a rate that we would like a faster rate than 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.440 it is now. Well, and as you pointed out right 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.000 at the very end of your editorial, there if it 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.360 were not for migration numbers, and this is why the 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.440 Albanezi government has imported people so fast and so much. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.679 If it weren't for those numbers, we would be in 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.640 recession and we'd be talking about a very different election 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:17.280 next year. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:22.480 Well, Environment Minister Tanya Plebisk has changed the reason that 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.040 she kured off the billion dollar mine project in New 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:25.720 South Wales. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:26.280 Have a listen. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:33.240 I took advice and information from them, from academics, from 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.600 a whole range of other people. The Council was invited 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.440 to make a submission on the Section ten applications, two 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.800 and a half thousand pages of advice and evidence from 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.880 different people, including I should say Barnaby, a lot of 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:50.480 local farmers who don't want this tailings dam built at 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.120 the headquarters of the river because they are worrying about 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.920 their sheep and go and honey businesses down the river. 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.880 They're worried about the factor as well. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.640 And that was her comments on Sunrise yesterday, Brum. When 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.760 you know, initially she was saying indigenous heritage concerns. Now 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.840 she's saying she got advice from academics and other people. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.200 But she ignores the fact, doesn't she that this had 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.640 both state department and Federal Department approval. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.120 She's making it up as she goes along, because this 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.120 declaration ten is made under the Aboriginal Torres Strait Island 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:30.120 a Heritage Protection Act, not the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.480 Conservation Act, which Alberici seemed to get confused about I 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.719 think I heard yesterday. So the point is this, there 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.560 is a way out of this. Alberesi is trying to 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.839 wash his hands and say, I'd like the mind to 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:43.400 go ahead. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.040 But it's not my fault. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.960 It's her fault. Well, it is his fault because there 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.600 is a motion of disallowance in the Senate right now 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.480 on the notice paper, and the declaration she made is 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:04.000 a disallowable instrument. And if that disallowance motion sits on 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.440 the ballot paper for fifteen sitting days and is not 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:14.880 resolved nor withdrawn, then the declaration automatically is disallowed. So 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:19.560 Alberzi has the power to tell the Senate, the Labor 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.600 party in the Senate, do not call this in, do 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.000 not defeat this motion. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.560 And it will go away. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.200 It will stop. It will be disallowed immediately, and she 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.760 cannot remake it for six months. And it's an important 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.880 point because this is Albanese's decision to make. She's made 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.920 the declaration. He has the decision about the way it 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:39.640 can be got rid of. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.040 And that the reason this is such a big story, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.200 you know, as we've said several times now, is because 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.800 of the message it sense to potential investors in Australia 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.720 and the fact that the Prime Minister can't take control 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.000 over this. He doesn't want to upset one of his ministers. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.280 He just lets them do whatever they want. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.200 Kail, Well, we've just been talking about a flatlining economy. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.400 About the only part of the economy that has been 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.280 booming and has delivered significant revenue to the government, it 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:09.120 should be noted, is mining. You'd have to have rocks 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.960 in your head right now to be trying to demonize 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.920 or stop mining in this country. But of course plibasek 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.760 As is evidenced by the fact that she keeps flip 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.360 flopping about the reason she made this decision. It wasn't 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.160 made in the interests of the locals. It wasn't made 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.640 in the interests of the minds, or the environment or 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.680 indigenous people. It was made in the interests of people 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.960 in Sydney who she hopes will vote for her at 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.760 the next federal election. That's what all this has been about. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.800 The rest is entirely fabricated. The Prime Minister knows it. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.160 That's why he's trying to get away from it. She 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.520 knows it. That's why she keeps changing her story. Someone 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.440 has to intervene and say, look, we've got to do 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.520 what's in the best interests of the country here. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.440 Well, that don't seem to care about that, because that 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.360 is the same strategy that they're using in other policy areas. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.520 I mean, that's shaped their foreign policy position, it's shaped 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:58.720 the immigration policy. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.080 The Gaza vis issue all about local. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.320 Votes and holding onto seats, not necessarily about what's in 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.200 the national interests. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.880 Absolutely, but he has to be made to wear it. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.960 He cannot walk away from that white but that mine. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.240 He cannot say to mens, oh yes, I wanted to 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.040 go ahead too, and pretend it's all somebody else's fault. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.560 He has the power to deal with it, all right. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.360 The Day They Telegraph reports today that since the Albanezy 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.040 government has been in office, two hundred and ninety three 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.800 thousand working days have been wasted on strike action. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.640 And it does seem like every other. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:37.560 Day there's another union or another group striking Runwin. This 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.480 is a massive waste of taxpayer funds, isn't it? 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:41.760 Why we're surprised. 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.640 I mean, this government and the union movement are together 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.800 locked in and they have under mister Burke, they have 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.280 given the union movement everything they want. And on the 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.720 twenty sixth of August the last tranch came into operation. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.640 I just wait till it starts to head and the 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.120 rumifications of it. No wonder there's been more strikes caused 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.359 by unions. No wonder the demands are getting greater. No 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.680 wonder there's losses. It will get worse, It won't get better. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.960 We've taken the industrial laws back pre Keating, and all 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.080 that good work that was done under the hard government 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.159 has just disappeared, and all because mister Burke thinks he 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.520 can be the leader by getting the union vote when 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.720 there's the next out, when they want to get rid 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:27.439 of Albanisi. 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:32.040 But the pointly ambitious Tony Birth no reason. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.359 John Cassius as a mean an angry look. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:41.639 Yes, indeed, Caleb, the opposition is blaming Labour's new workplace laws. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.600 You know Brunwin just referred to that. Do you think 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.080 that is part of the issue here. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:46.880 Yeah, of course it's part of the issue. I mean, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.040 it just seems a message, for instance, removing the ABCC, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.280 which of course gave red flag to the c if 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.880 you to go back to its bad old days, which 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.840 of course harks back to the bad old days of 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:59.280 the mob that came before it, which was the b 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.520 Left that was de registered that then spawned the CFMU. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.920 And here we are back in the same position again. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.320 And we saw that that last week caused strikes because 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.840 the Labor Party has finally decided to intervene and do 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.720 something about the CFMU, which they may will not have 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.399 had to do if they hadn't fiddled with the IR 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.879 laws in the first place. It all goes back to 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.040 the IR laws. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.560 Look, just before we go quickly, let's turn to the 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.080 big story that Andrew Clanel here on skybroke earlier today. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:30.760 He confirmed that Labor would partially ban TV gambling advertising 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:35.560 within two years and imposer ban on online gambling ads. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.400 Rowin, do you agree with this? 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.919 Now, when we come to the gambling issue, we have 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:45.240 to realize they're competing forces. There's still some of the 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.120 old waalderism that exists in Australia, which has been here 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.439 for two hundred years, and that still underlines a lot 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.200 of the anti gambling movement. But there is also the 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:01.440 great worry about online gambling what that is doing to 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.480 inculcate the idea of gambling for younger people in particular. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.800 But it is a legal practice and many people enjoy it. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.639 There are some people who are dramatically affected by but 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.440 they're a minority, so there needs to be a balance. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:20.600 I would be against spanning all advertising on television. The 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.000 online issue, I think is a different issue. I think 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.479 it's far more dangerous there, but also very difficult to 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:31.000 do so. I think we have to realize that there 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.040 does need to be a consideration that it's not wall 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.280 to wall gambling advertising, which sometimes it looks like, particularly 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.000 in a big game. But I do think we also 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.919 have to realize that a lot of people enjoy gambling. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.160 It is some people like to buy shoes, some. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:49.200 People like to do other things. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.520 I mean, we have to realize there is poison this 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:56.560 matter too, but not given finally to the forces that 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.120 I think want to abolish it entirely. I don't think 0:19:59.160 --> 0:19:59.640 that's right. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.359 It's a funny comparison, Maybe leaving someone in a shoe 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.920 store to keep buying more and more shoes might be 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.600 about the same. I do think just I'll say that 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.400 I think it's fascinating. There's so much focus on whether 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.000 we should ban television gambling advertising, but there's not much 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.720 discussion about all the advertising that children are exposed to 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.080 when they're watching kids programs on YouTube and the like. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.920 And I think there needs to be more discussion about 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.520 that because that is far more dangerous. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.840 Perhaps we could add in pornography yet, well, yes, because 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.560 that is really really serious. Yes, And I'm sure as 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.240 the domestic violence. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.520 Well let's talk about that next week, next Tuesday, Broman, 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.479 Bishop Calebond, great to have you both with me. Well, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.560 let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.600 to speak about Mike Burgess finally clarifying his comments on 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.640 the Gaza visa issue. James, Welcome to the program. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.120 Does this clear up the matter, do you. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.320 Think from a security perspective? 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:00.080 Well? 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.760 No, In fact, in many ways it raises more questions. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.360 But all the questions are as they always should have been, 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.440 about the Albanese government's handling of this issue, not about 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.560 our security agencies, or about our security agency heads like 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.520 Mike Burgess, who do an outstanding job. Mike Burgess has 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.080 now effectively set out a test for the bar that 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.920 you should need to clear if you want to come 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.240 to our country. He said, you are a risk to 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.360 the security of Australia if you support from US, if 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.240 you support what they did on the seventh of October, 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.920 and if you support the annihilation of the state of Israel. Now, 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.480 can the Prime Minister, all the Minister for Home Affairs 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.119 Tony Burke, put their hand on their heart and stand 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.480 up tomorrow and promise that not one of the three 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.840 thousand tourist visas they granted to Gaza residents includes anyone 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.240 who supports from US, anyone who supports the seventh of October, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.080 or anyone who wants to annihilate Israel. I seriously doubt 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.840