Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This.
Speaker 2: Is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good Evening, Welcome to the show tonight. A political storm
Speaker 3: erupts over our exclusive report last night that ASIO boss
Speaker 3: Mike Burgess has finally clarified his comments on whether Hamas
Speaker 3: supporters are welcome in Australia. James Patterson would join me
Speaker 3: tonight to discuss Australia's economy on life support as we
Speaker 3: brace for the worst and your growth since the nineteen
Speaker 3: nineties recession. But who's to blame? We're leading economist Judith
Speaker 3: Sloan will give her view, and Joe Biden dares to
Speaker 3: condemn Israel.
Speaker 2: For the murder of hostages by hermas.
Speaker 3: Well, where has he been while an American was executed
Speaker 3: on holiday?
Speaker 2: Of course, sundowning at the beach.
Speaker 3: Will cross live to Israel as the world engages in
Speaker 3: a shocking case of victim blaming.
Speaker 2: Well, last night I.
Speaker 3: Exclusively revealed that a Director General Mike Burgess, had clarified
Speaker 3: his position on the guards and visa issue. Now to
Speaker 3: our major exclusive, AZIO Director General Mike Burgess has told
Speaker 3: a private gathering that anyone who supports Hamas or the
Speaker 3: October seven terror attacks would pose a security threat. These
Speaker 3: comments clarify his view on the guards of visa issue.
Speaker 3: So he made it very clear that Hamas supporters wouldn't
Speaker 3: be welcome in Australia and would be considered a security threat.
Speaker 2: The story kicked off today in a major way.
Speaker 4: Schari Markson revealed last night something that hadn't been revealed previously,
Speaker 4: and that's the ASIO Director General, or as the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister would say, Azio. The ASIO Director General, Mike Burgess,
Speaker 4: has told a private gathering that anyone who supports Hamas
Speaker 4: or the October seven terror attack would pose a national
Speaker 4: security threat in comments that clarify his views on the
Speaker 4: Gaza visa issue.
Speaker 5: Well, I welcome the clarification from the Director General of
Speaker 5: Mike Burgess is a very good man and he works
Speaker 5: day and night to keep our country safe and the
Speaker 5: work of AZIO is to be respected by all Australians.
Speaker 5: But the problem is that they've got a government who
Speaker 5: has brought in thirteen hundred people from Gaza without the
Speaker 5: requisite security checks. It's reckless. It puts our national security
Speaker 5: at risk. I think, frankly the Prime Minister should be
Speaker 5: apologizing to the ASIO boss for what they've put in
Speaker 5: place which has made asio's job much harder.
Speaker 6: The only person who's been critical of the AZIO Director
Speaker 6: General is Peter Dutton. What we've done is support our
Speaker 6: security agencies. I haven't undermined his authority. I've supported him
Speaker 6: and will continue to do so so.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister refusing to apologize despite the fact that
Speaker 3: he did blatantly repeatedly misrepresent the ASIO Director General's physician
Speaker 3: in Parliament. Well, now that Mike Burgess has made it
Speaker 3: clear that AMAS supporters do pose a security threat, this
Speaker 3: puts the pressure back on the Prime Minister over whether
Speaker 3: he too will reject terrorst supporters from being given an
Speaker 3: Australian visa. After my report last night, the ABC Today
Speaker 3: published comments where Burgess said his original remarks on the
Speaker 3: Insiders program had been distorted. He said, and I quote,
Speaker 3: I've watched with interest over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 3: how people have chosen.
Speaker 2: To distort what I said.
Speaker 3: I said that if you support a Palestinian homeland, that
Speaker 3: may not discount you from entering Australia, because that by
Speaker 3: itself is not a problem. But I also said that
Speaker 3: if you have a violent extremist ideology, or you provide
Speaker 3: material or financial support to a terror organization that will
Speaker 3: be a problem. Now I'm going to break this down
Speaker 3: and speak with Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson in
Speaker 3: a moment. Now, economic data out tomorrow is expected to
Speaker 3: show our.
Speaker 2: Economy is dead in the water.
Speaker 3: The predictions are that our economy is growing at as
Speaker 3: little as zero point two percent for the June quarter.
Speaker 2: This would put on.
Speaker 3: Your GDP growth at just zero point nine percent for
Speaker 3: the year. And this if it turns out to be
Speaker 3: those figures, this would be the slowest pace since the
Speaker 3: nineteen nineties recession, the weakest economy in more than twenty years,
Speaker 3: and this is a major concern for jobs, the mortgage,
Speaker 3: the rent and grocery bills. It's why the Treasurer has
Speaker 3: accused the RBA of smashing the economy with its thirteen
Speaker 3: rate hikes. His comments an extraordinary intervention and show just
Speaker 3: how concerned he is about.
Speaker 2: The data out tomorrow.
Speaker 3: In a highly political move, Chalmers is now crafting a
Speaker 3: narrative where the Central b think is partly responsible for
Speaker 3: the weak economy, or, as he puts it, for hammering
Speaker 3: Aussie families. The Treasurer today hit home the point that
Speaker 3: interest rates are softening our economy in a breakfast television blitz.
Speaker 7: I think it's self evident that the interest rates registrate
Speaker 7: rises which are in the system are slowing our economy.
Speaker 7: I think it would be strange, really if the treasure
Speaker 7: of Australia couldn't say to the Australian people, you know,
Speaker 7: our economy is slowing, and here are some of the
Speaker 7: reasons why it's slowing, including higher interest rates. But really
Speaker 7: what we've got here is a combination of global economic
Speaker 7: uncertainty combining with higher interest rates and persistent price pressures.
Speaker 3: Well, Charmer's strong comments accusing the IBA of smashing the
Speaker 3: economy show the stakes are high. Labor and Matt Fistlethwaite
Speaker 3: backed him in yesterday.
Speaker 8: We don't want to see the Reserve Bank go too far.
Speaker 9: We want to make sure that we do continue to
Speaker 9: grow an economy.
Speaker 3: And those comments there, well, that's a repeat of the
Speaker 3: fight that Labor backbenchers ran against former RBA Governor Phil Lowe,
Speaker 3: turning him into a villain for raising rates repeatedly. At
Speaker 3: the time, while the Treasurer announced major reform of the
Speaker 3: Central Bank, he didn't utter a critical word, so his
Speaker 3: intervention now, even though it's subtle is surprising, but Charmers
Speaker 3: batted away questions of a.
Speaker 2: Rift with the RBA today. Are you all good with
Speaker 2: the RBA? What's going on here?
Speaker 10: Treasurer Jim Chalmers is being forced to fend off accusations
Speaker 10: of a rift between the government and the Reserve Bank.
Speaker 3: Looks so you've been picking fights with everyone.
Speaker 6: The headline screaming Treasurer tries to pass the buck, Treasurer
Speaker 6: plays the blame game.
Speaker 2: Treasurer makes RBA threats.
Speaker 3: Charmer said he wasn't a war with Michelle Bullock, and
Speaker 3: it is true there's no genuine rift, but politically it
Speaker 3: suits the alb and Eazy government to give the pression
Speaker 3: that the RBA is to blame for household pain. The
Speaker 3: coalition has attack Charmers, accusing him of failing to take responsibility.
Speaker 11: And not surprisingly alst other countries like Canada and the UK,
Speaker 11: Europe are seeing interest rates coming down. Not in Australia.
Speaker 11: He has unveiled and now he's just lashing out at everybody.
Speaker 8: Then he blamed Philip Loow, and now he's blaming his
Speaker 8: hand picked replacement for Philip Blow, Michelle Bullock, for high inflation.
Speaker 8: At some point he's got to turn the mirror onto
Speaker 8: himself and say, what is it that the government can
Speaker 8: be doing well?
Speaker 3: While labor and peas are putting pressure on the RBA
Speaker 3: not to raise rates again. There are some economists to
Speaker 3: a warning that we may still need more rate rises.
Speaker 3: It's something Warren Hogan said on this show last night,
Speaker 3: and the Finn reports that the Reserve banks recently departed
Speaker 3: research chief says the decision not to raise interest rates
Speaker 3: risks entrenching high inflation and hasn't been added quickly scrutinized
Speaker 3: by the Central Banks Board. An economy teetering on the edge,
Speaker 3: inflation still above target range, and this means that prices
Speaker 3: are still rising well. The Nightly editor Chris Dahl says
Speaker 3: that while our economy is on life support right now,
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister can't stop talking about his wedding and
Speaker 3: his love life. Chris Dahl writes, we've heard more from
Speaker 3: the PM's office this past week about whether his second
Speaker 3: wedding is on last weekend's papers or off this weekend's papers.
Speaker 3: And it's true all the Prime Minister can think about
Speaker 3: is when he's having his wedding, and he was talking
Speaker 3: about it again on radio in Perth.
Speaker 2: No election date from you today?
Speaker 3: What about a wedding date you enjoy any closer?
Speaker 6: That will be sometime in the likely be the second
Speaker 6: half of next year, but it will be after the
Speaker 6: election because I want to focus on the job at hand,
Speaker 6: and we looked at the diary and there are no
Speaker 6: gaps between now and the end of the year.
Speaker 3: Please, no one cares when you're getting married for the
Speaker 3: second time. No one cares where your wedding will be.
Speaker 3: People care when their grocery and power bills are going
Speaker 3: to stop rising. And christau Over in the Nightly says
Speaker 3: that when Albanezy isn't speaking about his wedding, he's talking
Speaker 3: about Peter Dutton, attacking him for division, for questioning the
Speaker 3: guys of visa process.
Speaker 2: So for his nuclear plan.
Speaker 3: None of this, his wedding or attacking Dutton is going
Speaker 3: to fix the cost of living crisis. And right now,
Speaker 3: if it weren't for high immigration numbers, it's very possible
Speaker 3: that Australia could well be in a recession. Okay, we'll
Speaker 3: get to our top story on Mike Burgess clarifying his
Speaker 3: position on the guys of is the issue that made
Speaker 3: news today James Patterson will join me in a moment,
Speaker 3: but first nowt to our regular Tuesday panel Farmer Speaker
Speaker 3: of the House Barnwin Bishop and Sky News host kayleb Bond.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Bronwan, how worried are you about the state of the
Speaker 3: economy ahead of their national accounts figures that are due
Speaker 3: out tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Very worried.
Speaker 12: Look, I listen to the words of the treasurer. He
Speaker 12: tells you in one breath, everything's wonderful, a fantastic treasure
Speaker 12: doing a wonderful thing. And then he beats up on
Speaker 12: the Reserve Bank and says it's all your fault that
Speaker 12: the interest rates are so high. And then he comes
Speaker 12: around and says, well, don't look too much at what's
Speaker 12: happening tomorrow. It's a man who refuses to take responsibility
Speaker 12: for anything at all. And I am worried about those
Speaker 12: figures tomorrow. And I'm worried when I go into shops
Speaker 12: and I have a discussion with the people who work
Speaker 12: there and they tell me about the fact that they're
Speaker 12: worried about losing their jobs, about people who own small
Speaker 12: businesses about having to close down. We are not in
Speaker 12: good shape it's true.
Speaker 3: Look, Caleb, in a way, the treasure is saying the
Speaker 3: obvious that interest rates do weaken the economy, but he's
Speaker 3: also trying to shift the narrative politically, isn't he.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, what he is leaving out of that discussion
Speaker 13: is that the reason that interest rates have continued to
Speaker 13: go up for so long is because the government hasn't
Speaker 13: pulled its own leavers. The RBA, as we've said many
Speaker 13: times before, has only one lever to pull to reduce inflation,
Speaker 13: and that is to increase interest rates. And of course,
Speaker 13: interest rates not only affect the household mortgage holder, but
Speaker 13: they affect businesses that rely heavily on loans in order
Speaker 13: to keep operating and to set up new businesses, especially
Speaker 13: small business. That's a major part of why the economy
Speaker 13: flat lines. So that the Treasurer doesn't want to accept
Speaker 13: that it is his own spending that has caused these
Speaker 13: interest rate rises in part, and that therefore means that
Speaker 13: the economy has shrunk or is certainly not moving at
Speaker 13: a rate that we would like a faster rate than
Speaker 13: it is now. Well, and as you pointed out right
Speaker 13: at the very end of your editorial, there if it
Speaker 13: were not for migration numbers, and this is why the
Speaker 13: Albanezi government has imported people so fast and so much.
Speaker 13: If it weren't for those numbers, we would be in
Speaker 13: recession and we'd be talking about a very different election
Speaker 13: next year.
Speaker 3: Well, Environment Minister Tanya Plebisk has changed the reason that
Speaker 3: she kured off the billion dollar mine project in New
Speaker 3: South Wales.
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
Speaker 10: I took advice and information from them, from academics, from
Speaker 10: a whole range of other people. The Council was invited
Speaker 10: to make a submission on the Section ten applications, two
Speaker 10: and a half thousand pages of advice and evidence from
Speaker 10: different people, including I should say Barnaby, a lot of
Speaker 10: local farmers who don't want this tailings dam built at
Speaker 10: the headquarters of the river because they are worrying about
Speaker 10: their sheep and go and honey businesses down the river.
Speaker 10: They're worried about the factor as well.
Speaker 3: And that was her comments on Sunrise yesterday, Brum. When
Speaker 3: you know, initially she was saying indigenous heritage concerns. Now
Speaker 3: she's saying she got advice from academics and other people.
Speaker 3: But she ignores the fact, doesn't she that this had
Speaker 3: both state department and Federal Department approval.
Speaker 12: She's making it up as she goes along, because this
Speaker 12: declaration ten is made under the Aboriginal Torres Strait Island
Speaker 12: a Heritage Protection Act, not the Environmental Protection and Biodiversity
Speaker 12: Conservation Act, which Alberici seemed to get confused about I
Speaker 12: think I heard yesterday. So the point is this, there
Speaker 12: is a way out of this. Alberesi is trying to
Speaker 12: wash his hands and say, I'd like the mind to
Speaker 12: go ahead.
Speaker 2: But it's not my fault.
Speaker 12: It's her fault. Well, it is his fault because there
Speaker 12: is a motion of disallowance in the Senate right now
Speaker 12: on the notice paper, and the declaration she made is
Speaker 12: a disallowable instrument. And if that disallowance motion sits on
Speaker 12: the ballot paper for fifteen sitting days and is not
Speaker 12: resolved nor withdrawn, then the declaration automatically is disallowed. So
Speaker 12: Alberzi has the power to tell the Senate, the Labor
Speaker 12: party in the Senate, do not call this in, do
Speaker 12: not defeat this motion.
Speaker 2: And it will go away.
Speaker 12: It will stop. It will be disallowed immediately, and she
Speaker 12: cannot remake it for six months. And it's an important
Speaker 12: point because this is Albanese's decision to make. She's made
Speaker 12: the declaration. He has the decision about the way it
Speaker 12: can be got rid of.
Speaker 3: And that the reason this is such a big story,
Speaker 3: you know, as we've said several times now, is because
Speaker 3: of the message it sense to potential investors in Australia
Speaker 3: and the fact that the Prime Minister can't take control
Speaker 3: over this. He doesn't want to upset one of his ministers.
Speaker 3: He just lets them do whatever they want.
Speaker 13: Kail, Well, we've just been talking about a flatlining economy.
Speaker 13: About the only part of the economy that has been
Speaker 13: booming and has delivered significant revenue to the government, it
Speaker 13: should be noted, is mining. You'd have to have rocks
Speaker 13: in your head right now to be trying to demonize
Speaker 13: or stop mining in this country. But of course plibasek
Speaker 13: As is evidenced by the fact that she keeps flip
Speaker 13: flopping about the reason she made this decision. It wasn't
Speaker 13: made in the interests of the locals. It wasn't made
Speaker 13: in the interests of the minds, or the environment or
Speaker 13: indigenous people. It was made in the interests of people
Speaker 13: in Sydney who she hopes will vote for her at
Speaker 13: the next federal election. That's what all this has been about.
Speaker 13: The rest is entirely fabricated. The Prime Minister knows it.
Speaker 13: That's why he's trying to get away from it. She
Speaker 13: knows it. That's why she keeps changing her story. Someone
Speaker 13: has to intervene and say, look, we've got to do
Speaker 13: what's in the best interests of the country here.
Speaker 3: Well, that don't seem to care about that, because that
Speaker 3: is the same strategy that they're using in other policy areas.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's shaped their foreign policy position, it's shaped
Speaker 3: the immigration policy.
Speaker 2: The Gaza vis issue all about local.
Speaker 3: Votes and holding onto seats, not necessarily about what's in
Speaker 3: the national interests.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, but he has to be made to wear it.
Speaker 12: He cannot walk away from that white but that mine.
Speaker 12: He cannot say to mens, oh yes, I wanted to
Speaker 12: go ahead too, and pretend it's all somebody else's fault.
Speaker 12: He has the power to deal with it, all right.
Speaker 3: The Day They Telegraph reports today that since the Albanezy
Speaker 3: government has been in office, two hundred and ninety three
Speaker 3: thousand working days have been wasted on strike action.
Speaker 2: And it does seem like every other.
Speaker 3: Day there's another union or another group striking Runwin. This
Speaker 3: is a massive waste of taxpayer funds, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Why we're surprised.
Speaker 12: I mean, this government and the union movement are together
Speaker 12: locked in and they have under mister Burke, they have
Speaker 12: given the union movement everything they want. And on the
Speaker 12: twenty sixth of August the last tranch came into operation.
Speaker 12: I just wait till it starts to head and the
Speaker 12: rumifications of it. No wonder there's been more strikes caused
Speaker 12: by unions. No wonder the demands are getting greater. No
Speaker 12: wonder there's losses. It will get worse, It won't get better.
Speaker 12: We've taken the industrial laws back pre Keating, and all
Speaker 12: that good work that was done under the hard government
Speaker 12: has just disappeared, and all because mister Burke thinks he
Speaker 12: can be the leader by getting the union vote when
Speaker 12: there's the next out, when they want to get rid
Speaker 12: of Albanisi.
Speaker 3: But the pointly ambitious Tony Birth no reason.
Speaker 12: John Cassius as a mean an angry look.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Caleb, the opposition is blaming Labour's new workplace laws.
Speaker 2: You know Brunwin just referred to that. Do you think
Speaker 2: that is part of the issue here.
Speaker 13: Yeah, of course it's part of the issue. I mean,
Speaker 13: it just seems a message, for instance, removing the ABCC,
Speaker 13: which of course gave red flag to the c if
Speaker 13: you to go back to its bad old days, which
Speaker 13: of course harks back to the bad old days of
Speaker 13: the mob that came before it, which was the b
Speaker 13: Left that was de registered that then spawned the CFMU.
Speaker 13: And here we are back in the same position again.
Speaker 13: And we saw that that last week caused strikes because
Speaker 13: the Labor Party has finally decided to intervene and do
Speaker 13: something about the CFMU, which they may will not have
Speaker 13: had to do if they hadn't fiddled with the IR
Speaker 13: laws in the first place. It all goes back to
Speaker 13: the IR laws.
Speaker 3: Look, just before we go quickly, let's turn to the
Speaker 3: big story that Andrew Clanel here on skybroke earlier today.
Speaker 3: He confirmed that Labor would partially ban TV gambling advertising
Speaker 3: within two years and imposer ban on online gambling ads.
Speaker 2: Rowin, do you agree with this?
Speaker 12: Now, when we come to the gambling issue, we have
Speaker 12: to realize they're competing forces. There's still some of the
Speaker 12: old waalderism that exists in Australia, which has been here
Speaker 12: for two hundred years, and that still underlines a lot
Speaker 12: of the anti gambling movement. But there is also the
Speaker 12: great worry about online gambling what that is doing to
Speaker 12: inculcate the idea of gambling for younger people in particular.
Speaker 12: But it is a legal practice and many people enjoy it.
Speaker 12: There are some people who are dramatically affected by but
Speaker 12: they're a minority, so there needs to be a balance.
Speaker 12: I would be against spanning all advertising on television. The
Speaker 12: online issue, I think is a different issue. I think
Speaker 12: it's far more dangerous there, but also very difficult to
Speaker 12: do so. I think we have to realize that there
Speaker 12: does need to be a consideration that it's not wall
Speaker 12: to wall gambling advertising, which sometimes it looks like, particularly
Speaker 12: in a big game. But I do think we also
Speaker 12: have to realize that a lot of people enjoy gambling.
Speaker 12: It is some people like to buy shoes, some.
Speaker 2: People like to do other things.
Speaker 12: I mean, we have to realize there is poison this
Speaker 12: matter too, but not given finally to the forces that
Speaker 12: I think want to abolish it entirely. I don't think
Speaker 12: that's right.
Speaker 3: It's a funny comparison, Maybe leaving someone in a shoe
Speaker 3: store to keep buying more and more shoes might be
Speaker 3: about the same. I do think just I'll say that
Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating. There's so much focus on whether
Speaker 3: we should ban television gambling advertising, but there's not much
Speaker 3: discussion about all the advertising that children are exposed to
Speaker 3: when they're watching kids programs on YouTube and the like.
Speaker 2: And I think there needs to be more discussion about
Speaker 2: that because that is far more dangerous.
Speaker 12: Perhaps we could add in pornography yet, well, yes, because
Speaker 12: that is really really serious. Yes, And I'm sure as
Speaker 12: the domestic violence.
Speaker 3: Well let's talk about that next week, next Tuesday, Broman,
Speaker 3: Bishop Calebond, great to have you both with me. Well,
Speaker 3: let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson
Speaker 3: to speak about Mike Burgess finally clarifying his comments on
Speaker 3: the Gaza visa issue. James, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Does this clear up the matter, do you.
Speaker 3: Think from a security perspective?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 14: No, In fact, in many ways it raises more questions.
Speaker 14: But all the questions are as they always should have been,
Speaker 14: about the Albanese government's handling of this issue, not about
Speaker 14: our security agencies, or about our security agency heads like
Speaker 14: Mike Burgess, who do an outstanding job. Mike Burgess has
Speaker 14: now effectively set out a test for the bar that
Speaker 14: you should need to clear if you want to come
Speaker 14: to our country. He said, you are a risk to
Speaker 14: the security of Australia if you support from US, if
Speaker 14: you support what they did on the seventh of October,
Speaker 14: and if you support the annihilation of the state of Israel. Now,
Speaker 14: can the Prime Minister, all the Minister for Home Affairs
Speaker 14: Tony Burke, put their hand on their heart and stand
Speaker 14: up tomorrow and promise that not one of the three
Speaker 14: thousand tourist visas they granted to Gaza residents includes anyone
Speaker 14: who supports from US, anyone who supports the seventh of October,
Speaker 14: or anyone who wants to annihilate Israel. I seriously doubt
Speaker 14: that with the rushed, risky and reckless process they put
Speaker 14: in for handing out these tourist visas like confetti.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I mean, it might even behired to find three
Speaker 3: thousand people from Gaza at the moment who don't support
Speaker 3: any of the propositions that you just put there.
Speaker 2: But James, I'll remind.
Speaker 3: You, because we've spoken about this before earlier in the
Speaker 3: year and February, I've already shown that there's a twenty
Speaker 3: one year old Palestinian came on a visit a visa
Speaker 3: from Gaza since October seven, now in Melbourne. He has
Speaker 3: on social media already liked posts and shared posts that
Speaker 3: supported the October seven terror attacks, that supported her Musk.
Speaker 3: There were numerous of their, numerous posts, I've shown them
Speaker 3: on this program.
Speaker 2: So already people have come in.
Speaker 3: Here who do appear to be her must supporters based
Speaker 3: on their social media activity.
Speaker 2: So what should Tony Burke do now?
Speaker 3: What happens now if there are people already in Australia
Speaker 3: as part of the Albanezi government's visa program who are
Speaker 3: Hamas supporters.
Speaker 14: Well, you're right to single that out, Shari, because Mike
Speaker 14: Burgess has made clear in his comments today that even
Speaker 14: liking or retweeting a tweet supporting these incidents is evidence
Speaker 14: of concern from a security point of view and would
Speaker 14: cause that person a problem in seeking to come to Australia. Now,
Speaker 14: I don't buy Mike Burgess or Azio for the fact
Speaker 14: that people like that do appear to have come in
Speaker 14: under the Albanezer government, because we know AZIO can only
Speaker 14: act when cases are referred to them, and we know
Speaker 14: from Mike Burgess comments on insiders that not all cases
Speaker 14: are being referred to them. Well, this is exactly why,
Speaker 14: when you're dealing with a terrorist controlled war zone, that
Speaker 14: you should be referring all applications to AZEO, that full
Speaker 14: security vetting should be conducted for anyone leaving those countries
Speaker 14: or that region. And that's not what this government has done.
Speaker 14: So we already have thirteen hundred of these people in
Speaker 14: this country already. There may be a risk among that cohort,
Speaker 14: but they're a further seventeen hundred offshore who could come
Speaker 14: to Australia at any moment if the raft of Crossing
Speaker 14: reopens again. Is we all hope that it does after
Speaker 14: a ceasefire agreement that releases the hostages. Now, what is
Speaker 14: the Albanize government doing about the thirteen hundred who are here?
Speaker 14: Are they going to review any of them? Will they
Speaker 14: cancel any of their visas if they found a support
Speaker 14: on us? And what are they going to do about
Speaker 14: the seventeen hundred who will try to get here as
Speaker 14: quickly as possible? Are they going to review any of
Speaker 14: those to make sure there aren't any mus supporters among them.
Speaker 14: Are They've not outlined any plan to do so. I
Speaker 14: have no confidence that they're going to do so.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 3: It's a very difficult position because Tony Burke has come
Speaker 3: out and said that no one is being sent back
Speaker 3: to the war zone. He said, no government in its
Speaker 3: right mind would send anyone back to Gaza. So what
Speaker 3: does he plan to do with the people. And we've
Speaker 3: seen figures today that about seven hundred have applied for
Speaker 3: a different visa, bridging visa to extend their stay more
Speaker 3: permanently in Australia. So these are big questions for the
Speaker 3: government to answer. And James, you know, Paul Kelly made
Speaker 3: this point brilliantly in his article in The Australian on
Speaker 3: the weekend. He said, at no stage has any minister
Speaker 3: from the Albanezy government actually come out and said all right,
Speaker 3: this is our intake, this is how many people we're
Speaker 3: bringing in, this is the class of visa. There's been
Speaker 3: no explanation. And Paul Kelly also pointed out that there
Speaker 3: are two separate issues here, entry policy and security checks,
Speaker 3: and there's been this deliberate blurring of the lines by Alberizi.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this?
Speaker 14: All really good points, Shary. Let's take them in turn.
Speaker 14: On Paul Kelly's article on the Weekend, I agree with you.
Speaker 14: A very critical point was made by him and also
Speaker 14: by voices like Dennis Richardson, the former Director general of ASIO,
Speaker 14: which is that we have both character provisions, which is
Speaker 14: a matter for government and the Department of Home Affairs
Speaker 14: and security risks, which is a matter for ASIO and
Speaker 14: Mike Burgess and his team. And the bar to cancel
Speaker 14: someone's visa on character grounds is considerably lower than to
Speaker 14: cancel their visa on security grounds. To give you one
Speaker 14: tangible example, the Albanezer government has made it pretty clear
Speaker 14: that they're not going to approve a visa for Candice Owens,
Speaker 14: someone from the United States who wants to come to
Speaker 14: Australia on a Speaking to her, now, I'm not a
Speaker 14: fan of her. I think she's a dangerous anti Semma
Speaker 14: and a conspiracy theorist. But she's not a supporter of
Speaker 14: Hamas or terrorist organizations. She's just an anti Semite and
Speaker 14: on that grounds alone, they are not going to approve
Speaker 14: her visa. Are we seriously saying among the three thousand
Speaker 14: gars of tourist fiezas, there are no anti Semites. Have
Speaker 14: they even asked, have they even checked? And this goes
Speaker 14: to the other issues. I mean, how can you possibly
Speaker 14: be confident when the interviews didn't take place, when the
Speaker 14: biometric checks weren't done, when they were just handed out
Speaker 14: tourist vizas so quickly, and if Tony Burke is right
Speaker 14: that none of these people can be returned while were
Speaker 14: they given tourist vizas in the first place. A condition
Speaker 14: of a tourist viza is you're only here to visit temporarily.
Speaker 14: Clearly none of these people intend to stay here temporarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so many questions that the government really needs to
Speaker 3: find type. It doesn't look like they're going to do
Speaker 3: that anytime soon. Just before you go, James Patterson, the
Speaker 3: Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wang has given a foreign policy
Speaker 3: speech today, but she inserted some domestic politics into it.
Speaker 3: In fact, it's reported that she's going to accuse the
Speaker 3: lib Liberal Party of failing to recognize Jakarta's importance, citing
Speaker 3: Robert Menzies's nineteen forty seven criticism of the chiefly labor
Speaker 3: government support for Indonesian independence as.
Speaker 2: The very ecstasy of suicide.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is appropriate from the Foreign Minister.
Speaker 14: It's extraordinary and bizarre that the Foreign Minister would think
Speaker 14: it's appropriate to revive seventy year old comments of a
Speaker 14: dead prime minister as a way of attacking Peter Dutton
Speaker 14: and the Liberal Party today, and to do so in
Speaker 14: front of invited guests from our region who are our friends.
Speaker 14: I mean, how does it enhance Australia's national interest to
Speaker 14: do that? We could all play this game. We could
Speaker 14: revive Arthur Colwell's comments from a similar era about Asian
Speaker 14: immigration and use that to attack the Labor Party today.
Speaker 14: But would that make Australia stronger? Would that enhance our
Speaker 14: position in a delicately balanced Indo Pacific? Of course not.
Speaker 14: And the Foreign Minister I think has debased herself today
Speaker 14: with this partisan attack. She's obviously been fired by Jim
Speaker 14: Chalmers and there's clearly been a message sent out to
Speaker 14: Labor Front benchers get out there and tear peedter ut
Speaker 14: and down because they've long come to accept there's no
Speaker 14: way they're going to build Anthony Albanezi up. And if
Speaker 14: you can't build up your own team. All you can
Speaker 14: do is tear down the other one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's clearly concern about the momentum that seems to
Speaker 3: be in Dutton's direction at the moment, judging by the polls.
Speaker 3: James Patterson, always great to have you on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Now Stiel to calm.
Speaker 3: Australia's economy on life support as we brace for tomorrow's
Speaker 3: GDP figures and what will it mean for interest rates?
Speaker 2: Judah Sloan would join me next.
Speaker 3: Plus Albinezi's approval ratings now the same as Scott Morrison's
Speaker 3: when he went into the last election. Well is it
Speaker 3: all over, red rover for the beleagued PM.
Speaker 2: My Political Insiders panel will weigh in. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: We're returning to tonight's top story. The National account stater
Speaker 3: that's out tomorrow is expected to show next to no growth.
Speaker 3: This could be the slowest pace of growth in the
Speaker 3: Australian economy in twenty years, and the stage is set
Speaker 3: for the Government to partly blame the RBA for this
Speaker 3: weak economic data, with Treasurer Jim Chalmers accusing the Central Bank.
Speaker 2: Of smashing the economy.
Speaker 3: Well, let's bring in now eclumnist and economist Judith Sloan.
Speaker 2: Judith, thank you so much for your time again.
Speaker 3: Look, tomorrow's figures, according to market expectations aren't looking too good.
Speaker 2: Some are predicting around.
Speaker 3: Zero point two percent. Do you think that's going to
Speaker 3: be what we see?
Speaker 1: I think that's right, Shahi. So eleven thirty is see
Speaker 1: the big time when it comes out, and what do
Speaker 1: I think people will have to understand this? And actually
Speaker 1: most of the figures are in the locker. So for
Speaker 1: anyone who did economics, we used to talk about why
Speaker 1: equals C plus I plus G plus x one. I
Speaker 1: seem we actually know what most of those things are.
Speaker 1: So I think almost certain. I think the Treasurer will
Speaker 1: have got a memo from Treasury last week, late last week,
Speaker 1: which is to tell him that the figure will be weak.
Speaker 1: And there's also the possibility that the March figure could
Speaker 1: be revised. These figures tend to be revised, revised, and
Speaker 1: it could be revised downwards. So I think the picture
Speaker 1: will definitely be one of well, I don't know, smash
Speaker 1: I think is a sort of perhaps unfortunate word, but
Speaker 1: a very weak economy. And I think Charmer's reaction to
Speaker 1: that is to try and fend off the blame from
Speaker 1: himself and blame anyone else who's passing by, and that
Speaker 1: is particularly the Reserve Bank.
Speaker 3: Well, looking at what he said this week is you
Speaker 3: know he said interest rates are partly to blame.
Speaker 2: He's also blamed global factors.
Speaker 3: Know how responsible is the central bank for this weak economy?
Speaker 3: And given inflation is what's causing families so much pain,
Speaker 3: it is the biggest fight at the moment. Did the
Speaker 3: RBA have any other choice but to raise rates thirteen types?
Speaker 1: Well, they've really only got the one lever, which is
Speaker 1: the cash strate. And what the cash rate does then
Speaker 1: is feed into other interest rates, including mortgage rates. And
Speaker 1: you know, let's be clear here, the aim has been
Speaker 1: to slow the economy, to reduce aggregate demand. Now I heard,
Speaker 1: particularly mister Albanezy talk about global factors. The trouble is
Speaker 1: that that is a very out of date story.
Speaker 2: So if we look at all.
Speaker 1: Our major economies, most of them have got two characteristics. Now,
Speaker 1: one they've got inflation down to within their target bands,
Speaker 1: and secondly they have begun to lower their interest rates.
Speaker 1: So we're actually the laggard. And I think it's probably
Speaker 1: a bit yesterday's story to be lame and big global events,
Speaker 1: but I guess they'll try.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we've seen that there's been analysis that if
Speaker 3: the dune quarter is around zero point two percent, that
Speaker 3: means that the annual growth would be zero point nine percent.
Speaker 3: You know, how does this sit in our history as
Speaker 3: a country? How do you compare this to the recession
Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: Well, this is badly because don't forget the population is
Speaker 1: growing between two and two and a half percent, which
Speaker 1: is extremely strong both historically but also by international comparisons.
Speaker 1: So if you've got the economy growing at point nine
Speaker 1: and the populations, say, growing at two, you quickly work
Speaker 1: out that in per capita terms, we're going backwards.
Speaker 2: So this, I think.
Speaker 1: Almost certainly will be the sixth quarter of negative per
Speaker 1: capita GDP growth, and in international terms, that is a
Speaker 1: bad story. It's basically a reflection of falling living standards,
Speaker 1: and you're not seeing the same gloomy story in a
Speaker 1: number of other countries, particularly the US for example.
Speaker 3: Look, there does seem to be at least some frustration
Speaker 3: from the Central Bank about not just federal government but
Speaker 3: state government spending as well. I mean there's not enough
Speaker 3: focus on the state government spending, particularly Queensland really but
Speaker 3: there seems to be frustration on government spending. How much
Speaker 3: of a rift do you think there is? I mean
Speaker 3: the Treasure on television this morning said there's no rift.
Speaker 3: We're working together. Michelle Bullock's obviously his handpicked governor. So
Speaker 3: do you think those reports that we've seen this week
Speaker 3: are a bit overblown?
Speaker 1: Well, let me put it this way. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're helpful. I think to kind of have an open
Speaker 1: battle with the Reserve Bank is really not a help
Speaker 1: in terms of economic policy. But there is clearly an
Speaker 1: element of well, both someone applying the break and someone
Speaker 1: applying the accelerator to this economic car and that.
Speaker 2: Is not a good idea.
Speaker 1: Are the states part of the problem most definitely? But
Speaker 1: I do think I saw Katie Gallagher make a ridiculous
Speaker 1: point which is, oh, well, they have no control over
Speaker 1: the states. They do have control over the states, both
Speaker 1: in a sort of jaw boning sense but also in
Speaker 1: their ability to actually apply some financial penalties if they overspend.
Speaker 2: So I think it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an interesting point with Michelle Bullock, because
Speaker 1: you know they have changed some of the processes, so
Speaker 1: for example, they don't have as many meetings. They're now
Speaker 1: only every six weeks, and she then gives a press
Speaker 1: conference after the decision is made public. Now that sort
Speaker 1: of takes the narrative away from the treasure. Mind you,
Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers had wanted this, but I think in retrospect
Speaker 1: it's sort of he's sort of losing control of the
Speaker 1: storytelling because Michelle Bullock is getting it and she has
Speaker 1: got better and the journalists have got better. So it's actually,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not normally something I want to spend
Speaker 1: forty minutes listening to, but I quite.
Speaker 2: Look forward to it so as well, So I'll.
Speaker 1: Be doing that regularly.
Speaker 13: All right.
Speaker 3: Judah Sloan, always terrific to have you on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you again.
Speaker 3: Now after the break, is Albin Easy out of his depth?
Speaker 3: Or speak to my Political Insiders panel as the PM
Speaker 3: tries to shake off bad approval ratings, and later on
Speaker 3: the show will cross Live to tell Aviv as Joe
Speaker 3: Biden claims, Natan Yahoo isn't doing enough?
Speaker 2: Well what is he doing?
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in tonight's Political Insiders panel, Bill
Speaker 3: Shotton's former chief of Staff Cameron Milner and former advisor
Speaker 3: to John Howard David Gazzard.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Look, let's start with the PM's dismal newspot approval ratings
Speaker 3: that now as bad as Scott Morrison's were in the
Speaker 3: lead up to the twenty twenty two election loss. Cameron,
Speaker 3: how worried should Albanezi be about these figures?
Speaker 15: Well, Albert should be very worried. But doesn't it tell
Speaker 15: you something about the Prime Minister when he's just so
Speaker 15: lackluster and lazy and tells journeys he's not worried. This
Speaker 15: is the guy who's responsible for nothing and has an
Speaker 15: excuse for everything. Shari, I mean, this is the guy
Speaker 15: who's ring Tony's phone is wasn't me? I mean Albani's
Speaker 15: voice loss wasn't me? Two and eighty five dollars power
Speaker 15: cup wasn't me? Cost of living fighting wasn't me? I
Speaker 15: mean this guy will tell you anything to absolve himself
Speaker 15: from his responsibility, which is to lead the Laid Party
Speaker 15: the next election and win a majority. At this rate,
Speaker 15: we'll lose.
Speaker 3: Look, and you say you of course, as a labor person, David,
Speaker 3: you know we heard this similar ratrick from the Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: During the Voice campaign, he seemed to be telling everyone
Speaker 3: they were going to win. Obviously there was a shocking
Speaker 3: defeat for them. Do you think there's any possibility, though,
Speaker 3: that the coalition could win the next election or do
Speaker 3: you think it's just minority government that's in stall for Labor.
Speaker 9: I think minority government is probably the most likely, but
Speaker 9: a coalition winner is entirely possible. Momentum is flowing against
Speaker 9: the government and as debate and conjecture and focus scrutiny
Speaker 9: intensifies on this government, they seem to be making greater mistakes,
Speaker 9: so no one is really looking at this stage of
Speaker 9: the cycle. The interest in what's happening in politics will
Speaker 9: will probably pick up coming out of Christmas next year,
Speaker 9: but it would be deeply alarming for Labor strategists, and
Speaker 9: I think I think Cameron's.
Speaker 2: Got it right.
Speaker 9: It would be deeply worrying to see support for the
Speaker 9: Prime Minister and the Labor Party ebbing away.
Speaker 3: Look, we learned today that the Prime minister top media advisor,
Speaker 3: Brett Mason.
Speaker 2: Has resigned after nine months in the job.
Speaker 3: Is actually a lovely guy from a journalist, Cameron, what
Speaker 3: does this say about the Prime Minister's office that this
Speaker 3: is now his second communications boss who's had to call
Speaker 3: it quits.
Speaker 15: Well, Albo's office is full of sick of fans and
Speaker 15: old mates from university days. Let's face it. I mean,
Speaker 15: anyone who says yes to Alba gets a job in
Speaker 15: Albo's office. But two communications directors in nine months is disastrous.
Speaker 15: But let's not shoot the messenger. It's the message, Sharhi,
Speaker 15: that's the problem. It's Alboss the problem. And you know
Speaker 15: if you own a something wants to take up the job.
Speaker 15: I mean, having been Kevin Rudd's spin doctor, you know,
Speaker 15: an apologist for Twiggy Forest should be spinning something from
Speaker 15: the proverbial to get elbow up in this selection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, David Gazarde, you've obviously worked as a media advisor
Speaker 3: to a prime minister.
Speaker 2: You know, there's only so much you can do.
Speaker 3: If the Prime minister's policies are not something that the
Speaker 3: people want to hear, or if they don't like how
Speaker 3: he's made decisions on not taking control of national security,
Speaker 3: for example, then you can't blame the media team.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 9: There seems to be this view that's pushed in the
Speaker 9: media that this is a chance for a refresh of
Speaker 9: the message. I'm sorry Brett Mason was not setting the
Speaker 9: message that is set by the cabinet, that is set
Speaker 9: by the Prime Minister. There's always this view that, oh, well,
Speaker 9: they're not selling our policies right that Cameron is absolutely right.
Speaker 9: This is the message, not the messenger. It's a difficult
Speaker 9: enough job to do anyway without losing the confidence of
Speaker 9: the senior echelons across cabinet, factional colleagues and of course
Speaker 9: ultimately the boss itself. But ultimately, at the end of
Speaker 9: the day, it is what the Labor Party is selling,
Speaker 9: what the Prime Minister is selling, and it's not an
Speaker 9: unelected figure in the Press office like Brett Mason.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Indeed, look just to end on ACO Boss Mike Burges says,
Speaker 3: guys and visa backflip if you like. He's clarified his comments.
Speaker 3: Dartin today said that the Prime Minister should apologize to
Speaker 3: the spy chief for misleading and taking him out of
Speaker 3: context in parliament.
Speaker 2: What do you think Cameron.
Speaker 15: Albert should have apologized and cleaned up verbally the ASIO
Speaker 15: boss weeks ago. I mean he was caught out red handed,
Speaker 15: red handed, so in this situation, Albo has been caught
Speaker 15: again by the asioos having to clarify the very same situation,
Speaker 15: which is that gards and tourists are coming in without
Speaker 15: security checks. Guards and tourists are coming in without the
Speaker 15: right checks, and Albert should own up to that, and
Speaker 15: yes he should definitely apologize to the lead of ASIO,
Speaker 15: Mike Burgess.
Speaker 3: Look, David, there's no way around this. This is an
Speaker 3: absolute policy fiasco.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt, and it plays exactly to the hand
Speaker 9: where Peter dut New's the strongest. He's an ex police officer,
Speaker 9: he's been the Minister for Immigration and bought and controlled
Speaker 9: border Force and Home affairs. This is his territory. Most
Speaker 9: Australians would believe that he would handle this better than
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister. I don't expect Anthony Albinezi to apologize
Speaker 9: to Mike Burgas, by the way, but it's another way
Speaker 9: of Peter Dutton getting in this into the news and
Speaker 9: highlighting the fact that the Labor Party is very, very
Speaker 9: weak on borders. Don't forget but this is an issue
Speaker 9: that's gone around now for seven election cycles and it's
Speaker 9: falling into the same mistake of thinking it can control
Speaker 9: the borders and weaken the borders, and that the public
Speaker 9: is going to like it. They've been found out again,
Speaker 9: and that the Prime Minister's being the consequences.
Speaker 3: Indeed, it's the economy and it's national security, and that's
Speaker 3: what they've got to worry about. Davy Gazard and Carara Milnet,
Speaker 3: thank you both very much. Now still to come shocking
Speaker 3: comments by Joe Biden as the families of Israeli hostages
Speaker 3: grieve their loved ones, and Israeli television host would join
Speaker 3: me live.
Speaker 2: After this quick break.
Speaker 3: Well, it's been another gut wrenching day for the families
Speaker 3: of the six innocent hostages who were executed by Hermas.
Speaker 3: And today the parents of Hirsh Goldberg Pollen, an Israeli American,
Speaker 3: laid their son to rest. Heirsh's mother, Rachel Goldberg, gave
Speaker 3: a very moving emotional speech.
Speaker 16: If there was something we could have done to save
Speaker 16: you and we didn't think of it, I beg your forgiveness.
Speaker 16: We tried so very hard, so deeply and desperately.
Speaker 3: And in a seriously sick and twisted move, Hermas wanted
Speaker 3: to rub salt in the wound, and they released chilling
Speaker 3: new footage of the six Israeli hostages they murdered last week.
Speaker 2: This clearly a cruel final taunt to.
Speaker 3: Their already devastated and grieving families. This is terrorist propaganda,
Speaker 3: and it shows the captive's last messages before they were
Speaker 3: executed at close.
Speaker 2: Range, believe to have been shot in the head.
Speaker 3: Hamas has also threatened to kill the remaining hostages and
Speaker 3: return them to Israel inside coffins if Israel's military pressure continues. Now,
Speaker 3: this was a tragic day, and one of the hostages executed,
Speaker 3: literally shot in the head, was an American Citizenhirsh. Yet
Speaker 3: US President Joe Biden had the audacity to tell off
Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyaho for not doing enough.
Speaker 2: To secure the release of the hostages. Have a look,
Speaker 2: it's a president.
Speaker 16: If you think it's time for probe, Prime Minister net
Speaker 16: Yahoo could do more on the issue.
Speaker 4: Do you think he's doing enough?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, Netanyah, who is not doing enough according to Biden. Now,
Speaker 3: the idea that Biden should try to blame netin Yahoo
Speaker 3: after hermas killed six hostages is insanity. The only message
Speaker 3: Biden should be sending is one way he puts the
Speaker 3: fear of God into Hamas. Otherwise, this just plays into
Speaker 3: Harmasa's strategy. They kill hostages and Israel is blamed.
Speaker 2: Now, this of.
Speaker 3: Course comes after Biden has been on holidays for the
Speaker 3: past two weeks sun tanning at the beach. Last time
Speaker 3: I checked, Joe Biden is still the president. He chose
Speaker 3: not to relinquish that role. So what has he been
Speaker 3: doing to free his American citizen Hirsh. Where were the
Speaker 3: US troops going into Raffa to search for him? They weren't,
Speaker 3: And Biden was trying to stop Israel going into Rafa
Speaker 3: at all. It made Netiyahu delay by some three months. Now,
Speaker 3: irrespective of your view on Netiyahu, the idea that it's
Speaker 3: Israel that's prevented a cease fire deal is utterly ludicrous.
Speaker 3: It's her musk that has failed to come to the
Speaker 3: table over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: It's a point that Blincoln.
Speaker 3: Has made clear publicly that Israel has accepted their proposals,
Speaker 3: but her musk has it. Now what's worrying is that
Speaker 3: the reaction to blame Israel for the execution of these
Speaker 3: six hostages will only encourage Hamas to repeat this ghastly
Speaker 3: murder again. It encourages more of the same.
Speaker 2: Well, that's cross.
Speaker 3: Live now to tell Aviv, where I'm joined by Israeli
Speaker 3: news Anka Littal, SCHAMESH.
Speaker 2: Littal. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: Now, what did you think of those comments by Joe
Speaker 3: Biden today trying to blame Israel for Hermasa's murder of
Speaker 3: the six young lives.
Speaker 16: Yes, well, thank you for having me, Sherry. I think
Speaker 16: you said it beautifully.
Speaker 2: You know, every.
Speaker 16: Person with a bit of a bit of sense of
Speaker 16: understanding the situation could clearly see that Kamas is refusing
Speaker 16: a deal time and again, Israel is willing to consent.
Speaker 16: Israel is sending delegations to do Jatakatar to Cairo time
Speaker 16: and again, months after months, sending delegations in order to
Speaker 16: try and achieve some sort of a hostages deal, and
Speaker 16: Commas again and again is saying no. And as you said,
Speaker 16: hearing President Biden saying that NATANIAO is not doing enough
Speaker 16: two days after six of our innocent Israeli hostages were
Speaker 16: shot dead. Blaming Israel and blaming Natanio is really a
Speaker 16: stop in the face, because after such a horrific attack
Speaker 16: like that, the US should pressure Ramas. The US should
Speaker 16: pressure the Palestinians.
Speaker 2: I don't see any.
Speaker 16: Sanctions being lifted upon Katar, upon the Palestinian authority. Hundreds
Speaker 16: of trucks are getting into the Gaza Strip humanitarian aid
Speaker 16: every single day, and President Biden still have the audacity
Speaker 16: to blame Prime Minister Nataniao and I think for a
Speaker 16: lot of us in Israel, it is a stop in
Speaker 16: the face because you have to understand the bigger point,
Speaker 16: and the bigger point is the fact that America is
Speaker 16: in a year of election. Hamila Maari's are basically wanting
Speaker 16: to get ceasefire so they can get a peace of mind,
Speaker 16: so they can get peace in the Middle East. But
Speaker 16: Israel knows that it cannot leave the Gaza Strip without
Speaker 16: clearing it from the heads of Ramas, without clearing it
Speaker 16: from the remaining of Ramas. We need to take measures.
Speaker 16: We need to bring back our safety. We need to
Speaker 16: bring back those people who are living on the border
Speaker 16: with the Gaza Strip to fill and to live in
Speaker 16: their safe environments. And we cannot do that until we
Speaker 16: clear out the Gaza Strip from Ramas.
Speaker 2: So just ordering.
Speaker 16: Israel to take out all the soldiers is a first
Speaker 16: of all, you're leaving behind all the hostages that are
Speaker 16: still remaining because at the moment, at the moment, Ramas
Speaker 16: is not really willing to give more than twenty maybe
Speaker 16: thirty hostages and not even telling which ones are still
Speaker 16: alive and which one are dead. And then what do
Speaker 16: you do? You take out the idea from the Gaza
Speaker 16: strip and you're just leaving all the rest to die.
Speaker 16: And I think that all the pressure at this moment
Speaker 16: should be on Ramas. Yesterday Prime Minister Nazaniao held our
Speaker 16: press conference and he said, after this horrific event of
Speaker 16: Ramas healing shooting six six innocent hostages, Israel will respond
Speaker 16: and we will. We are waiting to see what is
Speaker 16: going to be the if response to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you just think how different the situation
Speaker 3: might have been if they had been genuine and you know,
Speaker 3: tangible international pressure on her mask through Iran, through Katar
Speaker 3: and you know, sanctions, other financial pain.
Speaker 2: It might have been different for the hostages. But you know,
Speaker 2: you're right.
Speaker 3: We hear some of the Western leaders more frequently criticize Israel.
Speaker 3: The latest news today Kiir Starmer now saying that he's
Speaker 3: going to suspend thirty out of three hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: arms export licenses to Israel, so all the pressure seems
Speaker 3: to be on Israel. Here it's a massive case of
Speaker 3: vic and blaming latlshamesh. Thank you very much for your
Speaker 3: time tonight.
Speaker 2: That's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: And right now, here's Paul Murray.