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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Sujuna Police station with the Assistant

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Ian Parrott. We've been discussing just before we started

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Speaker 1: recording some of the issues in the town, and it

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Speaker 1: seems talking to people there are a few. Ian parrot

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I've had shopkeepers tell me crime here is reflected right

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Speaker 1: across the state, and you know, you look at the

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Speaker 1: mall and the issues in the mall. Others tell me

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Speaker 1: it's just horrendous and their staff shouldn't have to put

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Speaker 1: up and young staff, you know, teenagers as there are

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Speaker 1: everywhere getting their first job sort of thing. Casuals and

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Speaker 1: all the rest shouldn't have to put up with the

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Speaker 1: violence and behavioral issues that they have that are locking

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Speaker 1: themselves in for protection and all that sort of thing

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Speaker 1: with customers. Just unreal when I hear these stories. As police,

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Speaker 1: you must get called out. And there are business people here.

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Speaker 1: You tell me they ring for police assistance twice a

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Speaker 1: week at least.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely do get called out, and yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: there are some challenges within Sijuna around public safety and

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Speaker 2: around crime. Interestingly, in twenty twenty three, crime was significantly

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Speaker 2: high within the Sojuna area than it had been for

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Speaker 2: the previous two years. And when I say significantly, in

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Speaker 2: twenty one twenty two for the county years crime is

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Speaker 2: around four hundred and eighty reported offenses to police for

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Speaker 2: those years. For the county for twenty twenty three is

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Speaker 2: about eight hundred and seventy five, so that's a significant increase. Now,

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Speaker 2: there were a range of things that happened which contributed

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Speaker 2: to those large increases in crime, things like a large

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Speaker 2: number of visitors to Sidian and Asideon and Foreshaw. Now

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Speaker 2: for decades and decades, community members have migrated to the

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Speaker 2: Foreshawes and the coastal lines during the hotter months or

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Speaker 2: some months.

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Speaker 1: So these are people living in the ap way lands

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Speaker 1: beyond over west coming down.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, people who live Atyalata from West Australia, sometimes

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Speaker 2: from Northern South Australia or even the Northern Territory. And

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Speaker 2: this happens in Portugusta as well. It's a well known thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a practice that's been decades and decades off for

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Speaker 2: community members to come to the coast where it's cooler

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Speaker 2: because it canbviously get extremely hot where our communities are.

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Speaker 2: So what that does, of course, is that that's also

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Speaker 2: around the time that these communities also have an influx

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Speaker 2: So the combination of both potentially provides an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: more crime to be committed and more people around the

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Speaker 3: What else happened?

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Speaker 1: You said that was one thing, the influx of people.

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Speaker 1: What else do you put it down to?

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Speaker 2: This is the complicating thing. If we had the answer,

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Speaker 2: we would have actually solved this as a community. I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about just police here. What we have seen

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Speaker 2: last year was that, in addition to the range of visitors,

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Speaker 2: particularly from communities who came just enduring and stayed a

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Speaker 2: lot longer, there was cultural business in the twenty two

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Speaker 3: The big funerals is that what you mean.

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Speaker 2: In addition to men's business, but also a number of

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Speaker 2: funerals as well. So a large influx of people coming

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Speaker 2: into town at that time that then does create issues

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Speaker 2: around anti social behavior, public drinking, and the types of

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Speaker 1: Many people here will say the abolition of the card

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Speaker 1: and I know, as say Paul, you don't have a

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Speaker 1: view on this officially, but the abolition of the card

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Speaker 2: It's interesting for us to try and work out what

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Speaker 2: the factors are that involved. There's a range of different

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Speaker 2: things that happened last year in particular, but our reservations

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Speaker 2: prior to the card being withdrawn was that everything else

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Speaker 2: being equal, we didn't see the amount of use of

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Speaker 2: to what we need for is the introduction of liquor

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Speaker 2: this year. It's going to run for three months now.

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Speaker 2: Those liquor licensing restrictions restrict the amount of cask wine

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Speaker 2: What we have found here in other places is that

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Speaker 2: by putting these restrictions in place enables services to provide

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Speaker 2: because they're not intoxicated in the morning when those services

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Speaker 2: But I can't remember there being in need or being

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Speaker 2: liquor license frictions in place previously.

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Speaker 1: But the need is there for that to happen, and

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Speaker 1: it's had an impact obviously from what you've seen it has.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly from our perspective, has reduced the amount of

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Speaker 2: proactively out in our community every single day, as you

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Speaker 2: would have seen yourself this weekend. It has reduced the

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Speaker 2: number of crimes that have been committed and are being reported.

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Speaker 2: So it certainly does have a significant benefit now, and

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Speaker 2: I haven't had the opportunity to speak to now health

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Speaker 2: ability for people to access services, because if you're intoxicated,

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Speaker 2: oftentimes you can't go to the day center here and

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Speaker 2: receive me or receive support. And obviously intoxication can provide

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Speaker 2: some challenges for a local hospital in terms of assisting

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Speaker 1: The drive zone down on the foreshore, it's something that's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of well, it's not the foreshore only,

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Speaker 1: is it. It stretches from Thebanard right through the town to

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Speaker 1: inside the town and obviously includes the foreshore. But that's

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Speaker 1: the area, particularly where a lot of people have told

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Speaker 1: me the problem is the drinking, the then fighting, brawling,

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Speaker 1: the vomiting, the urine.

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Speaker 3: The excrement.

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Speaker 1: It's just full on, according to some of the people

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Speaker 1: I reckon if I was a resident, I'd be as

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Speaker 1: equally concerned as they are about people continuously drinking in

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Speaker 3: Why isn't that police, Why aren't you down there.

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Speaker 1: I know you'd say the problem will go elsewhere, Yes

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Speaker 1: it will.

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Speaker 3: But if it's a dry zone, it's a dry zone, isn't.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely right? And maybe there's a bit of a

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Speaker 2: Police in the dry zone is one of our primary activities,

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Speaker 2: and as you said, it's very broad spread. Visibility along

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Speaker 2: the community members notice. We issue expiation notices for other

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Speaker 2: possessing consuming our coal in most rizones and we're very

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Speaker 2: proactive in that space. In February this year, for example,

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Speaker 2: a number of people here as well, so there's around

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Speaker 2: about eighty odd expiation notice. It's issued by our police

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Speaker 2: find way to consume olcohol. So we do our absolute

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Speaker 2: that that's the way the public feel, and I think

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Speaker 2: that we can probably enhance our communication with the public

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Speaker 1: I've heard reports of two people along the foreshore who

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Speaker 1: go out can collecting over those months, and one bloke

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Speaker 1: what he can't carry obviously thirty bucks worth a week.

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Speaker 1: That's a heck of a lot of cans that are

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Speaker 1: being left out. There is the problem beyond police to tackle.

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Speaker 2: It's not beyond us, but it is a challenge. So

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Speaker 2: the new the colossness restrictions started on my twenty second

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Speaker 2: of April, been going for approximately a month. It restricts

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Speaker 2: sale on as I said before, cast wine spirits. So

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Speaker 2: how have people adapted so they're buying beer now? There's

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Speaker 2: no restriction at this point in time in buying beer

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Speaker 3: Should there be Should that be included?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is I guess as part of what we

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Speaker 2: What the impacts are on improving public safety and reducing

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Speaker 2: any social behavior. So that's something that we will certainly

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Speaker 2: look at, but it's how people adapt to restrictions that

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Speaker 1: Retail hours that lick of ours something you'd like to

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Speaker 2: Again, from what we're seeing early on, it seems that

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Speaker 2: it's having a positive effect from a public safety perspective,

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Speaker 2: called the Safety and Well Being Task Force, which looks

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Speaker 2: at places like Sijuna and Portugusta and what supports, what

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Speaker 1: Is that difficult though to coordinate that because I'm told

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Speaker 1: there's fifty odd different services here in Sjuna. Now there's

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Speaker 1: three and a half thousand people that live in the town,

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Speaker 1: so I imagine a lot of them are working in

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Speaker 1: that must be almost logistical nightmare to try and get

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Speaker 1: too many?

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Speaker 2: So the way that we've structured up some of these

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Speaker 2: of agencies and community organizations are involved because clearly you

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Speaker 2: can't have everybody around the table. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: we're choosing or cutting people out. It's the most appropriate

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Speaker 2: agencies that are representative of the community in general. And

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Speaker 2: also things like look at licensing restrictions. Sogenia's not the

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Speaker 2: Astro and even Adelaide because we know that these restrictions

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Speaker 1: Less broadly and more specifically, I reckon if you're a

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Speaker 3: What message have you.

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Speaker 1: Got for these people, because that goes to the heart

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Speaker 2: In Siginia, we have police patrolling our community twenty four

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Speaker 2: first thing people should do is during triple zero. And

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Speaker 3: How many people work overnight of your crews.

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Speaker 2: Look, it depends on the again, the time of year,

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Speaker 2: It's important for their own safety. It's important for if

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Speaker 3: For them to call us.

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Speaker 2: So triple zero in those types of situations is the

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Speaker 1: People have told me that police have said it's not

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Speaker 1: their job to address social issues. Counsel says, it's all

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Speaker 1: So okay, on social issues.

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Speaker 1: Call and somebody says, look, there's a brawl outside, or

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Speaker 2: So I wonder whether there's actually again a miscommunication or

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Speaker 2: The circumstances you've just described, absolutely, police will attempt. That's

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Speaker 2: in quick time. That's a public safety issue. Social issues

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Speaker 2: social issues at play here, which is the responsibility of individuals.

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Speaker 2: It's the responsibility of communities and community leadership. And I'm

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Speaker 1: The leadership you've talked about from Aboriginal groups, counsel etc.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's lacking?

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Speaker 2: Again, a really complicated question to answer.

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Speaker 3: It's a complicated issue, isn't it. It really is.

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Speaker 2: It's a massively complicated issue. I think the principle to

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Speaker 2: they're community offenses. But one of the principles in terms

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Speaker 1: How are your patrol officers holding up with what's been

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Speaker 1: are wanting recruits? The foreshore looks great picture in terms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when the troubles there, our people are absolutely busy,

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Speaker 2: as well as some things that we put in play

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Speaker 2: at a more senior level. But talking to my people again,

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Speaker 2: this weekend, I'm not visiting here a number of times.

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Speaker 2: They actually love working here. Are they challenges? Absolutely, one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. There are challenges, and some of those things,

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Speaker 2: you know, frustrate my people, just as they would trust

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Speaker 2: to time will bring police in from Adelaide, so it

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Speaker 2: we will always support our local police officers here with

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Speaker 2: police from other areas as needed, and oftentimes during some

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Speaker 2: of the months we'll have a specific policing operation to

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Speaker 2: will be potentially and increasing crime.

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Speaker 1: And that's interesting, the extra operations, because somebody was telling

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Speaker 3: Do you find that ironic?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. You look at the lumber of lives lost

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Speaker 2: many stories of tragedy. The regional community is not immune

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Speaker 2: to about and natural fact, lives lost on South Australian

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Speaker 2: roads have predominantly occurred on regional roads for decades, close

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Speaker 2: to the two thirds number of lives lost on regional roads.

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Speaker 2: Road saved is everyone's responsibility. Now my people will be

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Speaker 2: out there absolutely targeting anybody and everybody who chooses to

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Speaker 2: drink or drug drive. It creates a risk for them,

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Speaker 2: creates a risk for everbody else on the road.

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Speaker 3: Impair of Assistant Commissioner. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you