WEBVTT - Sharri | 27 May 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.239 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.559 This is Sharry. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.240 Good Evening Tonight. A Treasury insider exposes the deceit behind 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:16.919 Labour's to perannuation tax that spares politicians, and debate erupts 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.599 over Emmanuel Macron's shove in the face, with concerns the 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.400 French president could be a victim of domestic violence. But 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.120 aren't the feminists pretty quiet? Bromen Bishop and Holly Hughes 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.360 will give their take what is Israel's plan in Gaza. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.519 Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell will join Me Live for 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:42.520 an exclusive interview. This as Palestinian leaders praise Anthony Albinizi 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.240 and rogue MP ed Husick demands sanctions on the Jewish state. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.120 Alex Rifchin will be on the show to respond. What's 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.520 Across Live to London for the latest on the motive 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:59.480 behind the Liverpool Beaed collision. But first you'll remember during 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.280 the election campaign, Anthony Albanezi pledged to return the pot 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.560 of Darwin to Australian hands and away from Chinese ownership. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.600 He rushed to beat Peter Dutton to that announcement, phoning 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:16.039 in unexpectedly to ABC local radio in Darwin to say 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.880 that he'd buy the pot back if necessary, but details 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.360 when pressed, we're pretty thin on the ground. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.600 So I just need to be clear here, are you 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.640 announcing that the Labor government will buy back the Port 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.200 of Darwen lease off Lambridge. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.440 What we are doing is we will enter into negotiations 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.360 to do that. That is what we've been doing informally 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.320 through potential buyers up to this point already. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.680 So are you buying back the lease of the Port 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:49.360 of Darwin or not. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.520 Well, what we're doing is trying to get to see 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.560 if there's a private buyer through particularly superannuation funds that 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:03.800 we've had discussions with. They have standed out Lamdbridge as well. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.960 We want that to be the case, but we want it. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:08.520 So. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:12.040 The Prime Minister's preference was for a private firm to 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.000 buy the port rather than spend government funds, although he 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.360 kept that option open. This was a change in position 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:24.080 from just eighteen months earlier, when he ruled out any intervention. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.440 In October twenty twenty three, Albanize said that he had 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.320 accepted the report of his own agency that the Chinese 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.360 Link Company would continue to operate the lease, and he 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.280 said at the time the issue was resolved, done and 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.800 dust it. But then in the election campaign he changed 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.400 his tune and he said he wanted the port to 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.160 return to Australian ownership. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.160 So you're making sure you have a buyer first before 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.160 you announce those plans. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.639 Well, we want it to be in Australian hands. We 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.720 prefer that it be through superinnuation funds or some other vehicle. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.320 Albinizi had been so fixated on stealing Peter Dutton's thunder 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.560 by announcing he wanted to cut ties with the Chinese 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.839 first that he made the announcement before he had an 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.480 actual plan or any plan for that matter. So, as 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.239 you just heard, he said he wanted the Port of 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.399 Darwin returned to Australian ownership. But now it seems there's 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:32.480 another foreign buyer. This one at least is our strategic ally. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.680 The Australian reports on the front page today that an 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.280 American private equity company with close ties to the Trump 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.200 administration is set to bid to buy the port from 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:48.360 Chinese billionaire Yi Chang, The US Forum Sarah Bruss. It 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:53.440 was formerly run by Trump's Deputy Secretary of Defense, Steve Feinberg, 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.840 and the company is reportedly about to put in an 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.920 offer for around half a billion dollars. Now, this is 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.960 only slightly more than the amount Landbridge paid for it 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.920 a decade ago, and they're looking the Chinese company land Bridge, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.920 that is, they're looking for an offer around double that 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.800 at a billion dollars. Now. China is taking this seriously. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.280 Its ambassador visited the port last week and there could 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.560 be consequences to our diplomatic relationship if Australia insists on 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.640 breaking the ninety nine year lease. Now, as you know, 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:35.000 Albanesi will be loath to upset Beijing. He thinks cozying 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.520 up to she makes him a master at foreign policy. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:44.760 But as The Australian's editorial today says that if the 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.680 Chinese own company land Bridge refuses an offer from a 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.520 US fund to buy the Port of Darwin and no 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.880 Australian offer emerges, Albanzi will need to make good his 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.400 commitment during the election campaign to force the port from 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:04.039 Chinese hands if no suitable buyer emerged, because there is 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.480 a strong argument against having the Chinese retain control of 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:13.280 our critical infrastructure. The Chinese government has in recent months 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:18.599 stepped up its posturing and aggression towards Australia. There was 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.040 the warship engaging in live fire exercises off our coast, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.839 the spy ship circumnavigating the southern coastline. And this is 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.520 about our strategic interest, our national security and sovereignty. It's absurd, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.720 really to think that alban Easy is spending some sixteen 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.920 billion dollars to pay off the hex debt of young 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:45.280 voters to buy their vote. Yet he wouldn't step in 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.000 to pay just a billion dollars for the port of Darwin. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:58.280 His priorities, as usual, are way out of whak. Now, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.520 let's turn to the events in live because this is 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.760 the sort of tragic event that we now all need 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.360 to be on the lookout for. It's the new reality 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.080 of the world we're living in. Thousands of football fans 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:15.240 were celebrating Liverpool's Premier Title Premier League title victory in 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:19.800 their hometown when a car plowed into the crowd. This 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:25.120 joyous celebration turned into horror. Forty seven have been injured 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.760 and twenty seven hospitalized. Four of them are children. Here's 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.400 that horrific moment that was captured from above. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.599 Oh to be borderses hoy, Oh my god. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.719 He I mean, it's a miracle that at this point. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.240 No one has died, but four people were trapped under 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.400 the van, One of them was a child. Now police 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.520 say the drivers a white British man aged fifty three, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.279 and the parade was nearly just finished. It was a 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.720 little after six pm when the van reportedly accelerated and 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.000 then veered right into the crowd. The car went on 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.840 for a further twenty meters until it eventually stopped. Now 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.320 police were quick to say that this was not a 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.760 terror attack. They say it's an isolated incident, meaning they're 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.920 not looking for other suspects. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.360 What I can tell you is that we believe this 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.320 to be an isolated incident and we are not currently 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.200 looking for anyone else in relation to it. The incident 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.680 is not being treated as terrorism. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.800 Now. We're going to cross Live to Sophie Elsworth a 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.320 bit later to get the latest on what police are 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.600 saying about the motive. But one person who was there, 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.640 a man named Mark Levy, told the Daily Mail, I 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.720 will never forget the noise of the people being hit, 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.600 and I will never forget the look on a policeman's 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:03.080 face and his uniform covered in blood. And a joyful 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.720 parade became a scene of carnage in just a matter 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.760 of moments, and it's a tragedy that can unfold all 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:18.840 too easily. Now, it was the love affair that captured 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.240 the world's attention. The younger Emmanuel Macron forty seven and 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.560 the older woman, Brigitte seventy two. They met when he 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.280 was just fifteen and she was a married mother of three. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.120 She was thirty nine years old, so that's around a 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.280 twenty four year age gap. She was one of his 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.920 high school teachers, and fourteen years after they met, in 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.600 nineteen ninety three, they were married. But now their marriage 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.840 is being examined through a different light after this footage 0:08:49.880 --> 0:09:11.160 emerged of Brigitte pushing her husband in the face. Now, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.439 Macron's offers initially tried to claim it was fake footage, 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.400 fake and it was a line that the French media 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:24.079 obediently repeated, but that spin wasn't sustainable when it emerged 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.720 that several press cameras from international media outlets captured the shove. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.080 Now Macron has since denied that he was having a 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.720 domestic dispute, and he sought to downplay the whole incident. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.760 He said they were just playing monipoza. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.880 We were squabbling and I was joking with my wife 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.840 and I'm surprised by it, and it becomes some sort 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:53.080 of geoplanetary catastrophe. Everybody needs to calm down and should 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:54.760 really focus on actual news. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.080 Hasn't it annoying when journalists focus on the wrong news. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.800 But if you look at the initial footage, you can 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.320 see by the stunned look in his face that they 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:09.439 weren't playing and he wasn't expecting the physical contact. So 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.600 his office then changed their line. Wasn't fake news anymore, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:18.120 it was then Russian disinformation. It was a conspiracy theory. That's, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.960 of course ridiculous because clearly she deliberately pushed his face, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.839 and now there's controversy and much debate around the way 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.160 she slapped him. Now, if this was a man shoving 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.600 a woman in the face, it would be clearly labeled 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:39.160 by everyone an act of domestic violence. They'd be concerned 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.520 that the woman was being physically abused, concern for her 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.440 ongoing safety in that relationship. But why is it any 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.280 different if the gender roles are reversed. Ben Fordham today 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.120 said that it was, in his view, a physical assault, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.199 and that Macron might be a victim of physical and 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.280 domestic violence. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.320 You reverse the roles for a moment and imagine that 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:04.280 it was her. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.280 On the receiving end of the slab. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.560 I reckon he'd be under a wrist right. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:15.160 Now, and Jemma Tognini writes that this is a double standard. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.320 She says, a woman gets hit in the face and 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.640 it's game over, as it bloody, should be a man, 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.640 calm down. They're just showing the world how close they are. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:29.960 They're just chilling now. Mccrine is the ultimate lefty hero. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.920 So the feminists have been strangely quiet on this one. 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.200 They always are quick to talk about domestic violence, but 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.320 not in this instance, it seems, because apparently domestic violence 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:46.000 just goes one way, men hitting women. If it's the reverse, 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:52.080 it's fake news, it's Russian disinformation, it's a conspiracy theory. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:57.600 They're just showing their togetherness. Jenese Qua Cela vi pade problem, 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:05.880 the hypocrisy. We're going to come back to that topic 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.240 in a moment with Bronwan Bishop and Holly Hughes. But 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.120 let's turn to Israel now, where a new hostage ceasefire 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.640 deal is on the table. US Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.840 has told CNN that Israel will agree to a temporary 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.160 ceasefire hostage deal that would see half of the living 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.360 and half of the deceased return and lead to substantive 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.640 negotiations to find a path to a permanent ceasefire, which 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.680 I've agreed to preside over. That deal is on the table, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.720 her Muss should take it. So, of course, yet again, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.280 the terrorist organization hasn't accepted the deal. We're joining me 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.320 now for an exclusive interview is Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.960 Minister Sharen has girl Charen, Great to see you again. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:49.000 So what. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.959 What will Israel have to give her mus in return 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.760 for ten living hostages? 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:03.240 Look, the exact details are still being talked about, and 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.400 our negotiation team has returned. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.719 Also, I want to say this, there were a few 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.840 proposals on the table, not just now, also two months ago. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:22.280 The most important thing is that Israel has accepted It 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.720 accepted the deal that with Whitkov proposed a month ago. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.520 It accepted the deal that Whitkov is putting now on 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:36.520 the table. But unfortunately Hamas is not accepting it. Unfortunately, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:43.760 and for me, it's very overwhelming also to see how 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.719 many of our allies, many countries around the world. Is 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.559 trying to put pressure on Israel for a ceasefire when 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.040 it is Hamas who continues to reject every single deal 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.559 that's coming into the table. The pressure should be on 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.559 hama Us and not on Israel. We are willing to 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.440 go to a ceasefire also for a length, a lengthy 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.079 period of time, in return for our hostages. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.559 We are not acting in Gaza for the sake of 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.080 a war. We are there for the sake to. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:24.160 Return our hostages and to dismantle a Nazi death cult 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.200 called Ramas, a terrorist organization vouch to eliminate and annihilate 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:30.400 my country. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:35.720 And my people and Assuran as of the part of 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.240 the hostage negotiations. I mean, the reality is that Hamas 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:45.320 wants Israel to permanently leave Gaza. To commit to permanently 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.000 leaving Gaza so that Hamas a terror organization can regroup. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:51.520 Is this the sticking point? 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.720 This is something that we cannot accept. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.840 They are insisting on that, and that's a point that 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.280 Israel cannot except. The meaning of believing Commas in power 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.680 means that they'll continue to use millions of Palestinians as 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:14.440 human shield. They'll continue to build their power for another 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.320 seventh of October. And if I know, Look, Sharry, I 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.200 don't think that any reasonable person would tell their children, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.200 their family, their community to go back and live a 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:31.040 few hundred meters from a death cult getting prepared for 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.760 another massive massacre that can even be ten times worse 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.360 than the seventh of October. I can't be responsible for that. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.480 I'm a politician, I'm a representative of the people. I 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.440 cannot tell them to go back when I know that 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.600 this death cult is two hundred meters away from their home. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.240 And that is the Palestinians too. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.400 So, Charon, we're seeing reports that Israeli is preparing to 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.440 take over seventy five percent of Gaza within the next 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.160 three miles in order to eliminate Hamas. As you say, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.160 what is the plan after that for Gaza? 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.000 So look, our first plan is our goals of war, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.440 which means to bring back our hostages, eliminate Haramas. We 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.800 are looking now and also seeing. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:20.560 How to. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.960 Control from a security perspective, the area to make sure 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.280 that Hamas doesn't build any power back again. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.080 And that's very important. I cannot applay the whole plan. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.880 Because it's not written, it's being discussing many forms, and 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.560 there's many ideas. Many countries are bringing different ideas, and 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.600 it's not going to be dependent only on Israel. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:50.240 So how Gaza's going to look after is still a question. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.240 And you know, I would really like that many of 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.160 our partners will actually take part in that. But unfortunately, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:02.800 and especially of what we've seen in recent week, with 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:10.320 some countries taking a clear position, they become unfortunately irrelevant 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:15.479 in that discussion, a neutral discussion about the future. They 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.480 disregards the needs, the needs of our people for safety 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:24.840 and for security, and they disregards the Palestinian needs also 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:30.480 to live free from a terrorist organization that is sterializing. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.560 Them, murdering them and abusing them. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.720 And seeing even protests by Palestinians in Gaza in the 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.800 past week. We're out of time, but just quickly before 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.119 you go, Sharan, I want to ask your response to 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.119 our Prime minister who claimed just yesterday that the actions 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.920 of the Israeli government were outrageous. That was his terminology, outrageous. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.600 What would you say to Anthony Albanesi. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.560 Well, I have to say it's quite disappointing. It's not 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.360 the first time that we're disappointed. I think that Australia. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.480 You know, we would have expected Australia and the leadership 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.840 to stand beside us during a difficult time. I know 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.720 the reports that are coming, Cherry, you've been covering that 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.439 up for now a year and more than a year 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.800 and a half now, those organizations who keep on saying 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:28.560 that Gaza is facing femine, Okay, facing femine is a 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:33.280 situation in the future, it's not a situation right now 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.440 in the present. And they continue to say it for 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.560 more than a year and a half and the fact 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.680 is that until now it didn't reach that stage. Why 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.200 because we are monitoring it closely. But what we want 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.400 is that the age reached the people and not Tramas. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.360 And when they come and tell me time after time 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.479 that we have to do it the old way through ANRA, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.119 through Ramas, I don't agree that. I don't think that 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.560 it has to come through a terrorist organization and we 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.600 have to try a different way. And I think that 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:12.159 if Australia would have positioned itself more neutrally than it 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.760 would have been a partner and also discussing those future 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.920 plan and also the aid plan in Gaza as well. 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.240 This is something that we would welcome. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.080 Yeah, but now it sounds like Australia would not be 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.800 welcome at a seat at the table because it's been 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.720 shown to have a biased position, which I completely agree with. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.879 Charenne Haskell really appreciate your time as always, Thank you 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.400 so much. That's Charene Live in Israel. Well let's bring 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.760 in now outgoing Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and fromer Speaker 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.520 of the House Bronwin Bishop. Welcome to you both. I 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.840 want to start with getting your take on the Emmanuel 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.399 Macron shove in the face. You know, this is the 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.760 type of thing, Holly, that you'd expect the feminists would 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.800 have been outraged about, but it's been pretty quiet. It's 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:03.159 from the deathly sign. It's really feminist. It's just extraordinary. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.960 And whether it is family violence, domestic violence, it doesn't 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.560 matter which way it's being perpetrated. It's something that's got 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.359 to be called out. And you can see very clearly 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.119 in that footage the force of the push, the step 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.119 back that was taken, the look of shock and horror 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.600 on Macron's face, and the fact that he actually steadied 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.240 himself on the door before waving, and then the body 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.560 language between the two of them coming down the stairs. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:29.720 You could see he'd sort of cropped the arm out 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.560 for her to take, and very deliberately she did not 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.080 take it. So I mean, I just think it's really 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.359 frightening footage. I think it's there's going to be more 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.240 and more questions to be asked about this because it's 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.000 sending the wrong message that domestic violence can only ever 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:46.680 go one way. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.240 I also think Brumwin that there's a problem when this 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.919 is another case of a politician ignoring what we can 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.240 all see, trying to spin claim it's and untruth. Saw 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.919 it with Joe Biden's mental decline. They just think they 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.600 can get away with telling the public lies. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.240 That's perfectly true. But I think there's another aspect to 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.040 it as well, and that is and I think it 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:16.520 goes back and reflects how she, as a thirty nine 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.560 year old wasn't making advances to a fifteen year old child. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.440 Now that's a jailable offense here in this country. I'm 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.480 not sure what the position is in France, but it 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:32.359 clearly isn't an acceptable position. I wouldn't have thought, and 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.920 it's always been brushed over and said, oh, it really 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.520 doesn't matter. It's Okay, for the left to do these 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.760 things is what's implied. So then when we see them 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.719 together in different circumstances, I guess we'll all look two 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.760 or three times at their interaction next time we see 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.600 them together. But I think the points that Holly's made, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:59.040 that you've made, that was no little push aside, That 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.320 was a physical bang. And the point, the more important 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.680 point I think that is to be made is the 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:07.320 one that they think they can just lie. 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:08.560 Yes, exactly. 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.560 But I think it's an interesting point you made that 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.760 she would have had the authority over him when she 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.920 was his teacher, and what I read was that the 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:18.480 parents moved him to a different school to try and 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.879 separated them. But you know that power dynamic might remain 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.200 even though he's the president of France, which is a 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:27.320 scary thought. 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:27.600 Really. 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.880 Now let's turn to this debate that's continuing over net zero. 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.080 This has once again emerged today in the Coalition after 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.840 Andrew Hasty had this to say. 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.919 Net zero again, that's a straight jacket that I'm already 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.840 getting out of. The real question is should austral In 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.440 families and businesses be paying more for their electricity and 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.440 should we allow this sort of hypocrisy at the heart 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:57.280 of our economy to continue, whereby we sell coalon gas 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.119 to India and China and we deny it to our 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.919 own people. That's the question that I think we need 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:03.399 to answer. 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.520 So Andrew Hasty decided he wasn't going to run for 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.680 the Liberal leadership at this point in time, Hally, what 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.600 do you think of the points he makes about energy? 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.000 Look, I actually agree with Andrew there. I think Australia 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.159 has really put itself in a straight jacket. We know 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.199 that industry is suffering, families of having to pay more 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.600 and more for their power bills. The fact that we 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.840 are one point three percent of global emissions, we are 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.480 going to make zero difference on the global stage. I 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.320 think it was incredibly telling this week that even New Zealand, 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.040 you know, I mean they are almost as left as 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.320 left with so much of their politics, they've walked away 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:42.000 from that zero when something isn't achievable, Like everyone wants 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.200 a reduction in emissions, but I think we need to 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:48.680 stop chasing it at such a huge expense for all 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:53.919 Australians and start to reprioritize ourselves as a nation as other. 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:54.840 Nations are doing. 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.480 And when as technology evolves. I firmly believe technology will 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.159 continue to evolve so that we will be able to 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.640 reduce emissions. But the fact that they've put this cap 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.280 on it, they've put this target time frame on it, 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:09.720 and it's clearly not something that's achievable. 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.280 Just to clarify it, not what you said, but that 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.520 headline there, New Zealand has not pulled out of NAT zero. 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.679 This was reported on Sky earlier and then you referenced 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.280 it just there. So they are engaging in energy activities 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.080 that mean they're unlikely to meet their NAT zero targets, 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.639 but they actually haven't withdrawn from them. Brumen, what do 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.479 you think of Andrew Hastier's position? Should the coalition withdraw 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.119 from that zero? Is that what you think? You know 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.600 mainstream Australians want that? 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:39.160 Do you think yes? 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.560 From my position has always been clear. I never thought 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.399 we should have signed up for it the first place. 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:46.280 I think we should withdraw from. 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:47.960 Howard government though, wasn't it you were? 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.480 And I am very much afraid to admit that I 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:56.159 actually voted to that bill. But for at that period, 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.600 we knew we had hundreds and hundreds of years worth 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:03.160 of coal and nobody thought would not be using coal. 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.600 So now the point that it should be removed so 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.520 the market can take decision as to whether they want 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.520 to invest in it would be the way to go 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.520 in my thinking. But I never ever agreed to signing 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:22.000 up to the net zero proposition. I think it was 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.600 a big mistake and one that has caused the opposition 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.359