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Speaker 1: Apogae production, Welcome back to another episode, And.

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Speaker 2: Am I a mad mom podcast? It is the question

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Speaker 2: we constantly ask. The content never runs out, No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually in a situation at the moment where I

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Speaker 2: had to have a chat with my girls about the

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Speaker 2: fact that I don't hear anything from them, like, oh God.

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Speaker 3: How is your day? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good, Like there's nothing to tell me until ten pm,

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Speaker 2: and then at ten pm they want to tell me

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Speaker 2: everything about the whole day, about who's done. What I

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Speaker 2: said to HollyHood day, I was like, Okay, how is

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Speaker 2: your day? Talk to me, tell me what's going on,

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Speaker 2: how are you feeling? And she went fine, why And

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Speaker 2: I won't because I don't want you to keep coming

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Speaker 2: in at ten pm and then telling me everything when

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Speaker 2: I just want to finish off show i'm watching and

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Speaker 2: go to bed. I don't want that to be the

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Speaker 2: time to talk. And it made me feel bad because

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not telling you, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk to you. Yeah, I just don't want to

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Speaker 2: hear it all late at night.

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Speaker 3: I've said this before too. Is that bandwidth? Like every

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Speaker 3: one of us human being has definitely got different bandwidths.

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Speaker 3: Like I think my bandwidth it sort of runs out

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Speaker 3: about eight pm. And it's just interesting how they feel

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Speaker 3: comfortable after being home probably from what four pm? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they've just built the confidence to talk to you

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Speaker 3: at ten pm. That is so much time in between.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's also because they have their devices,

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Speaker 2: phones or whatever, and then they have to give it back,

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Speaker 2: give it back, and so then it's like we've got

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Speaker 2: something else as I'll talk to you. Am I a

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Speaker 2: bad mum for making them pay?

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Speaker 3: The question is for what? Because right now you're got

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Speaker 3: some big things coming up for what they're paying for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like not moving out.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you're saying, oh move out now, Like

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Speaker 3: that's not what you're saying that but.

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Speaker 2: Forty years Yeah, So my girls are at the stage.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about how they love going to concerts. Billie

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Speaker 2: Eilish was a big thing. They saved up money. They

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Speaker 2: bought three tickets to the same show. But then they

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Speaker 2: also wanted to get merch that's like exclusively only sold

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Speaker 2: at the concert, or there's like limited edition or things

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Speaker 2: like that. Anyway, we ended up lending the girls some

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Speaker 2: money and I said, don't worry about paying us back

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Speaker 2: until after the concerts and everything's been done, and then

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Speaker 2: I want a plan to how you're going to pay

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Speaker 2: us back. It's about two hundred dollars each.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So now they're saving, yeah, because they want to get

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Speaker 2: a car.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that was yeah, that was what I thought you

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Speaker 3: were talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're also saving to go to Billie Eilish in

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Speaker 2: London in July. I was like, that's not happening. No,

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Speaker 2: you're not saving that much money to go fly to London, yeah,

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Speaker 2: in July. And then it's that whole battle rage of going.

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Speaker 2: They've put together a plan of how they're going to

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Speaker 2: make money, how much money they need per I think

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Speaker 2: it's twenty five dollars per day they need to make

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Speaker 2: or something done, a list of how they're going to

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Speaker 2: make the money. Obviously they've got jobs at macas. They've

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Speaker 2: also put like babysitting and like a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: things on this list. Like they've pulled together a very

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Speaker 2: well thought out plan. Now, as a parent, I've got

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Speaker 2: this battle of going, do I shoot their dreams down

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Speaker 2: and just go that's not happening, You're never gonna make it,

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Speaker 2: Or do I allow them to.

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Speaker 3: Well whenever they're in anticipating that they're going to Number

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Speaker 3: one is the reality. I love that. I love the

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Speaker 3: whole thing that they've gone to the extreme of the

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Speaker 3: reality of it is that if you were wanting to

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Speaker 3: be able to how are you're going to afford to

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Speaker 3: pay for the airfare which you'd probably want to be

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Speaker 3: booking somewhat soon for July. How are you going to

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Speaker 3: be paying for that? Straight up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they've got this plan. They've got the plan,

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Speaker 2: and the plan makes sense. I still think if you

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Speaker 2: said to me, do you want to go to Europe

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Speaker 2: in July, I'd be like, no, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to have enough money to go to Europe.

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Speaker 2: It's that fine line of going do I encourage them.

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Speaker 3: To reach for the stoach for the stars or.

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Speaker 2: Do I shut it down and go no, that's never

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Speaker 2: going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I think the worst case scenario would be let them

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Speaker 3: reach for the stars when they get to July. Let's

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Speaker 3: just say July twenty, when Billy is playing in and

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Speaker 3: they're not there, they'll have a heap of money saved

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Speaker 3: up to go straight into the car account.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other thing rach is. And this is

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Speaker 2: the whole Am I a bad mum for making them pay?

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Speaker 2: Is that I'm standing my ground with the money that

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Speaker 2: they owe us. Absolutely, And the reason I'm doing it

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Speaker 2: is because I'm like, it's so important to take responsibility

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Speaker 2: over your debt. You need a way to pay that

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Speaker 2: back first. So when they say to me, Mum, can

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Speaker 2: I do some jobs? And Jay will go, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: need clean up the yard or whatever, and it's worth

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Speaker 2: this much money, I'm like, but don't forget that needs

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Speaker 2: to come back to us because that's what you owe.

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Speaker 2: And then afterwards then you're you're saying all right, But

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Speaker 2: then it makes me.

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Speaker 3: Now because you're not teaching them any life lessons. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because when someone later on in life is like, no,

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Speaker 3: you still owe me two hundred dollars for rent and

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Speaker 3: they go, can I just do some jobs around the

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Speaker 3: house for You're like, no, unfortunately, no, I just need

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Speaker 3: the cash.

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Speaker 2: And understand could go don't worry about it, don't worry

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Speaker 2: about paying us back. You just save your money. But

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Speaker 2: then I'm like, no, that's teaching them nothing.

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Speaker 3: No, well who was doing that for you at their age?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And also you know, you run up a bill on

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Speaker 2: your credit card.

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Speaker 3: You're not say it's okay.

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Speaker 2: The credit card companies are saying, don't worry about paying

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Speaker 2: you back, don't wry about it. You know you want

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Speaker 2: to go to Billy. I want to do that instead.

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Speaker 3: My thing is like, who going to Billie Eilish with

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Speaker 3: them in London? Like you or Jay? Because they can't

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Speaker 3: technically fly over by themselves.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even factored that in.

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Speaker 3: So then for you that's another cost. Yeah, and you

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Speaker 3: haven't booked your tiki yet and it's nearly April, so

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Speaker 3: no intention. Yeah, I mean technically they're sixteen, so no,

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Speaker 3: I mean even kids. I don't know that they can

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Speaker 3: fly internationally without approval, not from sixteen.

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Speaker 2: But you can send kids unaccompanied.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you've got to have approval through that all right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Actually yeah, because I remember, just let.

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Speaker 3: Them go unaccompanied to London. That is a tough question.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, right now, my part would go, oh, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: The only good thing for me is that I've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of family over in London.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and you trust that they would get off

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Speaker 3: the aircraft and then transit into the next aircraft okay

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Speaker 3: before going Like so they're in Dubai. Let's just say

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Speaker 3: they're in Dubai. They've got fourteen hours in Dubai between flights.

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Speaker 2: Like, no, you're cool with that? No?

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Speaker 3: No, I was like no Singapore, Like oh, they're just

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Speaker 3: transitting through Singapore and you're like okay, cool, So what

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Speaker 3: did you do in Singapore for like eight hours?

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Speaker 2: What if they don't get on the flight because they

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Speaker 2: don't know where to go? I don't know where to

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Speaker 2: go when I stop over having to ask people and

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Speaker 2: be like where do I need to go?

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Speaker 3: What? Time?

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Speaker 2: Like checking the poor. In my mind, it was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: get on at Brisbane, we're here, get off at London. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: family member picks them up. Yeah, my cousin works that

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Speaker 2: he throw he's already there.

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Speaker 3: That's a long way. You understand. This is not Brisboo Sydney.

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Speaker 3: It's a big job. So one of you are going.

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Speaker 3: So that's another expense for you just to come up.

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Speaker 3: I just want to bring that up because I don't

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Speaker 3: think your brain had gone there yet.

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Speaker 2: I want to go.

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Speaker 3: And what will they do when they get to London?

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Speaker 3: Are they going to expect to be in that line

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Speaker 3: up again? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They want to camp, camp.

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Speaker 3: Get married, Oh my gosh, that's so yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, don't don't know how this has turned into everyone

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Speaker 2: going on a big trip to London in July.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you are. We're going to see Billy alish you

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Speaker 3: in London. You're going