Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening Tonight. Anthony Albanzi wanted ed Husick out of cabinet,
Speaker 2: privately accusing him of disloyalty, and now Albinizi is letting
Speaker 2: Richard milesby the fall guy. I should have said the ministry,
Speaker 2: not cabinet. I'll bring you this exclusive in a moment.
Speaker 2: Who should be the leader of the Liberal Party? Are
Speaker 2: there any options who can win back thirty five seats?
Speaker 2: It seems that very unlikely. Ray Hadley would join me
Speaker 2: live to discuss labor operative. Cameron Milner will outline the
Speaker 2: radical agenda he says Albinizi and Penny Wong are secretly planning. Plus,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is set to accept an extravagant gift from Qatar,
Speaker 2: this as he negotiates the return of one American hostage.
Speaker 2: Is he really trusting the word of a terror group.
Speaker 2: I'll get the latest with Kosha data, but first tonight,
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanzi wanted ed Husick out of the ministry, privately
Speaker 2: accusing him of disloyalty, and Labour sols to say that
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is now letting his deputy Richard Miles
Speaker 2: be the fall guy to the blood letting division and
Speaker 2: enmities consuming labor less than a week after its shock
Speaker 2: landslide win. While each political party is currently consumed by
Speaker 2: a division, the Greens need to choose a new leader,
Speaker 2: while the Liberals are leaking against their rivals ahead of
Speaker 2: the party room meeting tomorrow. But none of this division
Speaker 2: is as astonishing as Labour's factional brawl that's erupted just
Speaker 2: days after one of their largest election victories. Labour's former
Speaker 2: Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss was ready to resign before the
Speaker 2: last election after his wife Deborah passed away in November
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, but Labour figures asked him to stay
Speaker 2: and again contest his seat Issacs. They were worried that
Speaker 2: if he stepped back, they'd risk losing the seat. They
Speaker 2: thought that Victoria was going to be a blood bath. Now,
Speaker 2: Mark Dreyfus did them a favor, one that he presumably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have agreed to had he known that he'd be
Speaker 2: repaid with a shock demotion, and today Dreyfus was dropped
Speaker 2: from cabinet altogether and replaced as Attorney General by Michelle Rowlands,
Speaker 2: and Ed Husick has also been dropped from the ministry,
Speaker 2: while Tanya Plibsek was dumped from Environment and given the
Speaker 2: Social Services portfolio. This makes Alberteasi's key rival invisible and
Speaker 2: continues his poor treatment and marginalization of her. In other moves,
Speaker 2: Anika Wells takes on Communications from Rolands, while Anne Ali
Speaker 2: and Tim Ares joined cabinet a small Business and Industry
Speaker 2: and Science minister respectively. Mark Butler takes on the NDIS portfolio.
Speaker 2: This after Bill Shorten's departure, and despite not having solved
Speaker 2: the housing crisis and far from it, Clara O'Neil now
Speaker 2: adds the new Ministry of Cities to her responsibilities. And
Speaker 2: this is about consolidating Labour's position in the cities and
Speaker 2: well Their ambition is to confine the Liberals to be
Speaker 2: an outer regional party. It's also worth noting that the
Speaker 2: Labor Cabinet still has a Muslim in ann Ali, but
Speaker 2: there's now no Jewish minister. This matters when Pennywong and
Speaker 2: Tony Burke push for Palestinian recognition, as they're likely to
Speaker 2: do this term. Who's there to argue against them? And
Speaker 2: it's the ruthless acting of Dreyfus and Husick that has
Speaker 2: upset many labor and peace. Now the Prime minister tried
Speaker 2: to just dismiss this today issue Mark.
Speaker 3: Or either Mark Dreyfus saw it husick to say in
Speaker 3: the ministry and if not, why not.
Speaker 4: Look, we have a process in the labor cool because
Speaker 4: you've been watching it for some time.
Speaker 2: Senior labor figures I spoke to today pointed to Drayfus's
Speaker 2: age sixty eight. They said it was time for renewal
Speaker 2: and for younger talent. But the brutal act of this
Speaker 2: betrayal cannot be ignored. Drayfus reportedly phoned Albanzi on Thursday
Speaker 2: morning and asked him personally to intervene. Sam Maiden reports
Speaker 2: that a delegation also begged Albanesi, but again he declined
Speaker 2: to get involved. Now, given the size of Labour's victory,
Speaker 2: Albanize could have stopped the bloodshed if he wanted to.
Speaker 2: He could have told the Victorian right faction, led by
Speaker 2: his deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles, that he wanted Mark
Speaker 2: Dreyfus to stay in cabinet. I mean, alban Easy is
Speaker 2: up to his neck in factional politics, but he chose
Speaker 2: not to do this. Now, the full weight of anger
Speaker 2: from Labor and Peace is currently being directed at Richard Miles,
Speaker 2: but there's also frustration at Albanezi for failing to insist
Speaker 2: on unity and provide stability. Now it's unclear precisely what
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's beef is with Dreyfus, apart from the
Speaker 2: fact that he did speak in defense of Israel in
Speaker 2: cabinet meetings. But it's well known that Albinizi has been
Speaker 2: unhappy with Ed Husick for a while. He's concerned that
Speaker 2: he's been disloyal, and he's blamed him for leaks. Whether
Speaker 2: that's that's accurate or not, that was the Prime Minister's perception.
Speaker 2: One labour source told me today Albanzi absolutely wanted him out.
Speaker 2: Now it's convenient for the Prime Minister that Richard Miles
Speaker 2: is wearing the blame for Husick's demotion, and it's no
Speaker 2: accident that that is how this narrative is being portrayed.
Speaker 2: But in truth, it had very little to do with
Speaker 2: Richard Miles at all. Simply had their fourth spot returned
Speaker 2: to them. It was lost when Bill shot and retired,
Speaker 2: and it was alban Ezy's Socialist left faction that demanded
Speaker 2: an extra spot in cabinet, and the New South Wales
Speaker 2: Right could have dumped Tony Burke or Chris Bowen or
Speaker 2: Jason Clair who has a pretty low profile, but they chose.
Speaker 2: It was ed Husick's own faction who chose to get
Speaker 2: rid of him, and they did so in the full
Speaker 2: knowledge that it was alban Easy's preferred outcome. And now
Speaker 2: a week after their landslide victory, when you'd think they'd
Speaker 2: all be celebrating instead, all of this dirty laundry has
Speaker 2: been aired in public. Now. Ed Husick described Richard Miles
Speaker 2: as a factional assassin on the ABC yesterday.
Speaker 5: The difficult issue here is that we've had sort of
Speaker 5: bear faced ambition and a deputy Prime minister wheeled a
Speaker 5: factional club to reshape the ministry. I think when people
Speaker 5: look at a deputy prime minister they expect to see
Speaker 5: a statesman, not a factional assassin.
Speaker 2: Now, he couldn't come out as strongly against the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister or against his own faction. He might need them
Speaker 2: for a promotion down the track. But he did say
Speaker 2: that Albaneze could have intervened given the authority he now
Speaker 2: wields over the party.
Speaker 5: The PM had great authority coming out of the election.
Speaker 5: I think if you'd exercise it in a way that
Speaker 5: provided for stability and a strong team, but had been
Speaker 5: there and could go forward, no one would have quibbled
Speaker 5: about that. So I was going to ask you about
Speaker 5: the role of the Prime minister. Do you think he
Speaker 5: should have intervened or not?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: Of course, right like I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 5: with false modesty, of course, and ed.
Speaker 2: Husick will not go quietly. Labor and Peace have already
Speaker 2: launched an extraordinary spray describing Richard Marles, their deputy Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: as dumb and nasty in this news dot COM's at
Speaker 2: a U article written by Sam Maiden, and she reports
Speaker 2: that Labor and PS were scathing however the brutality of
Speaker 2: the post election reshuffle, with one describing the factional power
Speaker 2: brokers as sociopaths. Albanize has unfettered power now. A Labour
Speaker 2: souce said he could have used that power to protect
Speaker 2: front benches and he didn't. Sam Ray is Richard Miles's
Speaker 2: numbers man, and Sam Ray is one of those that
Speaker 2: the Victorian right now has in the ministry. Albanese's message
Speaker 2: in response to this in fighting was to publicly say
Speaker 2: that the Labor Party is greater than any individual.
Speaker 4: Government brings with it responsibility and no individual is greater
Speaker 4: than the collective and that includes myself. And we need
Speaker 4: to approach this term with him Melody, to make sure
Speaker 4: that we deliver on the commitments that we made to
Speaker 4: the Australian people, but also that we operate in a
Speaker 4: way which shows solidarity.
Speaker 2: That was his public appeal for unity when chaos was erupting,
Speaker 2: but then at the caucus meeting made in reports that
Speaker 2: he didn't even acknowledge or thank the two ministers who'd
Speaker 2: been dumped, Dreyfus and Husick, and besides Albinizi was the
Speaker 2: one behind Husick's dumping. Now, this is the true nature
Speaker 2: of the ruthless prime minister, who doesn't look after his
Speaker 2: own and only cares about his own tenure in the lodge.
Speaker 2: This is who Dreyfus is making way for the Ministry
Speaker 2: Sam Ray, who today became the Minister for Aged Care.
Speaker 2: He's a former Victorian State secretary, a factional heavyweight and
Speaker 2: very close to Richard Miles. He's young, he's known for
Speaker 2: his unique hair style, but he is powerful and that
Speaker 2: means maiden points out that Labor ministers Clara O'Neil, Mark Dreyfus,
Speaker 2: Peter khalil, An MP, Josh Burns, Tim Watts, Cassandra Fernando
Speaker 2: and so many others owe their seats or take their
Speaker 2: orders from him. Maiden writes that this sort of conduct
Speaker 2: might pass as normal and Doan Andrew's Victorian Labor Party,
Speaker 2: but it's not the way things are done at the
Speaker 2: federal level. But the overarching picture here is that the
Speaker 2: left action now has control within the Albanezy government. And
Speaker 2: Cameron Milner writes tonight in The Nightly that the Labor right,
Speaker 2: the usually usually the more sensible faction, is now powerless
Speaker 2: to stop the excesses of the left. And he says
Speaker 2: that this is the case on everything from negative gearing,
Speaker 2: recognition of Palestine, legislating the voice, promoting puberty blockers on
Speaker 2: the PBS and more. And Cameron's going to be on
Speaker 2: the show a bit later to talk about what he
Speaker 2: said is the radical agenda that Labour has planned now.
Speaker 2: Milner writes that Australia didn't vote knowingly for this radical
Speaker 2: left agenda, but they are about to get the lesson
Speaker 2: rammed down their throats. Ad nauseum. And that's because alban
Speaker 2: Easy and Penny Wong and co. Will say that they
Speaker 2: have the mandate for this radical reform with their ninety
Speaker 2: plus seats, never mind the fact they only took a
Speaker 2: small target agenda to the election. You know, their arrogance
Speaker 2: will be insufferable. But if they're leaving powerful and disgruntled
Speaker 2: and loud figures in their wake, like Ed Husick and
Speaker 2: Mike Drafers, perhaps they're just the start. Then one thing
Speaker 2: is for sure, it's not going to be smooth sailing
Speaker 2: for the alban Easy government. All right to discuss now,
Speaker 2: let's bring in Sky News hosts Steve Price and Joe Hildebrandt.
Speaker 6: You vote, Joe.
Speaker 2: I want to start with you so clearly, and you
Speaker 2: know this as well as I do. Albanizy believed ed
Speaker 2: Husick was disloyal. He blamed him for the leaks, whether
Speaker 2: or not that's accurate. He wanted him gone from the ministry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to be honest and hand on heart.
Speaker 7: I don't know what Albanese's personal feelings towards ed Husick are.
Speaker 7: What I am told is that, as you say, this
Speaker 7: was not necessarily Richard Miles's doing that obviously the makeup
Speaker 7: of the ministry was going to change because the ministry
Speaker 7: has to reflect the factional makeup and the state by
Speaker 7: state makeup of the caucus. And because Victoria won a
Speaker 7: swag of unexpected seats, that means that Victoria was going
Speaker 7: to get more spots in the ministry, and the Victorian
Speaker 7: Right was also entitled to an extra spot at the
Speaker 7: expense of the New South Wales Right.
Speaker 2: I'm just that that was just Bill Shotton, the Bill
Speaker 2: shot and spot being returned, which they didn't demand out
Speaker 2: of unity during.
Speaker 7: There was that one, but I think there was also
Speaker 7: another one as well, and there was a demand that
Speaker 7: obviously that News Right would have to give up one
Speaker 7: of their spots in cabinet. My understanding is that figures
Speaker 7: in the New South Wales Right did not did not
Speaker 7: argue with that, They did not argue the toss, They
Speaker 7: did not fight to keep ed Husick in the cabinet.
Speaker 7: That and that representations were not even made to Anthony
Speaker 7: Albinezi to keep ed Husick in the cabinet. I'm not
Speaker 7: surprised by that simply because if you are a factional
Speaker 7: power broker, there is absolutely no advantage in you saying
Speaker 7: to the prime minister from an opposing faction, we would
Speaker 7: like you to overrule the faction, the factional machine.
Speaker 6: That gives us our power.
Speaker 7: I can't think of any factional leader who would do that.
Speaker 7: And Tony Burke and Chris Bowen, for example, both very influenced.
Speaker 7: They basically control the faction between them in New South Wales.
Speaker 7: They would not want to outsource their power to a
Speaker 7: prime minister from the other faction, notwithstanding how much they
Speaker 7: might all get along. So so, I really like ed Husick.
Speaker 7: I think he's a great talent, and I was very
Speaker 7: sorry to see him go.
Speaker 1: Everyone, Joe, I do like everybody.
Speaker 7: I do like everyone also, I like Berkie, and I
Speaker 7: like Bowen, I love Jason Clare campaign spokesman very high Brocole.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve Price, who doesn't like everyone, Neither do
Speaker 2: I Steve. You know, if Albert is behind this, which
Speaker 2: is what I'm hearing, he's letting Richard Marles be the
Speaker 2: fall guy. You know, a music sacking had pretty much
Speaker 2: nothing to do with Richard Marles.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is.
Speaker 2: How how factional, how ruthless, how brutal Albaniz he really is.
Speaker 8: It's only even worse. I mean, if you are going
Speaker 8: to go into the new parliament with ninety plus ninety
Speaker 8: two plus seats, you can do whatever you like. I mean,
Speaker 8: I just get sick and tired. You know, Joe's going
Speaker 8: on there about factional warlords and all this sort of crap.
Speaker 8: I mean, seriously, the country needs to be run. You've
Speaker 8: got Sam Ray that you Shari have just pointed out.
Speaker 8: It wields a lot of power in Victoria. Stephen Conroy's
Speaker 8: a mate of his and he's sort of marshaled him
Speaker 8: through the part. This boat's just now been made Minister
Speaker 8: for Age Care. Can we worry about age care and
Speaker 8: what's happening in age care now? Sam Ray's a factional
Speaker 8: player and has just been handed one of the most
Speaker 8: important portfolios in the country. It just annoys ordinary Australians
Speaker 8: that the Labor Party and look, they won the election,
Speaker 8: it was a thumping, but they just sit around tearing
Speaker 8: each other apart, knifeing each other in the back, playing
Speaker 8: factional games. Australians would like the new government if they
Speaker 8: have five minutes to get on with running the country
Speaker 8: and stop stabbing each other in the back all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really find it extraordinary, Joe that it was
Speaker 2: just days they should have been celebrating their win and
Speaker 2: already and it's not just one size, it's multiple bicks,
Speaker 2: multiple media outlets leaking against each other. You know, this
Speaker 2: division always there was, it just very carefully managed before
Speaker 2: the election campaign.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that that is the way the sort
Speaker 7: of labor sort of machine works, and it's always been
Speaker 7: that way. There's only been one election result after which
Speaker 7: the prime minister made a captain's call on who was
Speaker 7: in the cabinet, and that was Kevin Rudd in two
Speaker 7: thousand and seven, because he said he had a mandate
Speaker 7: and no one stood in his way, and that ended
Speaker 7: up paving the way for what was called the Kitchen Cabinet,
Speaker 7: where all this control was centralized among four senior ministers,
Speaker 7: and that was that resulted in the government imploding. And
Speaker 7: so there is method in the madness.
Speaker 2: Part of what I think it was Rudd's personality that
Speaker 2: was thought.
Speaker 7: There was also that as well, but it was the
Speaker 7: fact that the rest of the cabinet did not feel
Speaker 7: like they were being respected and that was why they
Speaker 7: revolted in Victoria. One of the really important things that's
Speaker 7: happening is the right is trying to regain control of
Speaker 7: that branch and the left there Obviously I'm no friend
Speaker 7: of Daniel Andrews, but the left there has been an
Speaker 7: absolute disaster in government and it needs and that's right,
Speaker 7: and it needs to be retaken. And it was you know,
Speaker 7: Dan Andrews used to serve at the pleasure of the
Speaker 7: right and he's such a canny operator. And there was
Speaker 7: the branch acting stuff that the left ended up just
Speaker 7: taking whole fyle control of the state and the right
Speaker 7: is trying to get it back. The problem is the
Speaker 7: right is divided, so Richard Mirles actually only controls about
Speaker 7: half of the Right in Victoria and the other the
Speaker 7: rest of his control by other interests. So NISI unite
Speaker 7: and then take over.
Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at the other side of politics.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's a big day for the Liberal Party tomorrow.
Speaker 2: They're going to decide between Angus Taylor and Susan Lay
Speaker 2: and they could even be a surprise candidate for the
Speaker 2: next leader. Steve Price, do you have a view on
Speaker 2: if either of them would be able to win back
Speaker 2: thirty five six? So who would be the better option
Speaker 2: to regain the largest number of seats at the next election.
Speaker 1: None of the above.
Speaker 8: I mean, what they're going to do tomorrow is vote
Speaker 8: to put somebody into the worst job in Australia currently.
Speaker 8: You're going to be opposition leader for at least three years,
Speaker 8: maybe six if you last that long, and the next
Speaker 8: generation clearly maybe led by Tim Wilson and other younger
Speaker 8: members to manage to hang on during the blood bath.
Speaker 8: So whoever get wins that vote tomorrow. I mean, it's
Speaker 8: a poison chalice, isn't it. I mean, you know you've
Speaker 8: got Angus Taylor and just sent a Nampa Jim for price.
Speaker 8: I mean I presume that that deal must have been
Speaker 8: discussed and worked out sometime in the past. That didn't
Speaker 8: just happen surely after the election result up against Susan Layan.
Speaker 8: Who knows who else might put up their hand to
Speaker 8: become deputy. But it's a job that no one would want.
Speaker 8: I remember Joe Hockey telling me after they lost to
Speaker 8: Kevin Rudd in two thousand and seven. He woke up
Speaker 8: one night in a motel down in gipps Land with
Speaker 8: trucks thundering past the front door. He'd been the treasurer
Speaker 8: a month before now he was in opposition trying to
Speaker 8: drum up votes somewhere down into the tro Valley. He
Speaker 8: said it was the worst time of his life and
Speaker 8: he considered quitting. So, I mean, these people have got
Speaker 8: a very very sad journey over the next few years
Speaker 8: that they're going to have to have.
Speaker 2: Very depressing No question, Joe, what do you think who
Speaker 2: do you think would be the best outcome? I mean
Speaker 2: that you know, we've been talking for days, I suppose
Speaker 2: about the reasons against both of them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think to be honest, it seems absolutely right.
Speaker 7: Whoever wins losers. There is virtually no way, barring some
Speaker 7: kind of miracle or divine intervention, there's no way that
Speaker 7: Libs can come back in three years time from forty
Speaker 7: seats to overtake a government with ninety three seats at
Speaker 7: last times we're talking, I mean, the government currently has
Speaker 7: almost two thirds of House of Representatives.
Speaker 6: It's astonishing.
Speaker 7: So just mathematically, that makes it really hard. Another thing
Speaker 7: that makes it really hard is the fact that Monique
Speaker 7: Ryan just hung on to Coujong by an absolute shoe string.
Speaker 7: Guess who's going to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're going to get different background.
Speaker 7: There results well, yeah, you can bet your bottom dollar
Speaker 7: that Josh Friedenberg will be contesting in three years time.
Speaker 7: Might not be Cou Youong, might not be Coo Young,
Speaker 7: but that would be the obvious one, a bit of payback,
Speaker 7: bit of revenge.
Speaker 2: And we pull up where those figures sit now. Then,
Speaker 2: so we're looking at Bradfield. We know that in Bradfield
Speaker 2: you sell cap Terran. She's a liberal candidate. She is
Speaker 2: maintaining her lead, but it's something like one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty votes ahead of Nicolette Bowl who's the teal, So
Speaker 2: she might win. A voting is ongoing, so she's not
Speaker 2: declaring victory just yet. And then in Couyong, it does
Speaker 2: look like Minnick Grian has clung on despite pressure in
Speaker 2: recent days from Amelia Hamer. I mean, Steve, I struggle
Speaker 2: to understand how, and you're in Melbourne, expaves to me
Speaker 2: if you can. I struggle to understand how any voter
Speaker 2: could support Minnick Brian because she has objectively been a disaster.
Speaker 2: Irrespective of which side of politics you support, she's been
Speaker 2: a disaster over the past three years.
Speaker 1: Well she has.
Speaker 8: I mean, if you live in the seat that she's
Speaker 8: been running for the last three years. I mean, you
Speaker 8: fail to see anything that she's done for the electorate.
Speaker 8: Amelia Haimer ran a really strong campaign. I saw her
Speaker 8: at a hollingbooth a few days out for the election.
Speaker 8: She looked like she hadn't slept for three or four weeks.
Speaker 8: She was a very good candidate. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 8: if Amelia Hamer ends up going into state politics, and
Speaker 8: I'll probably find her a seat because I mean the
Speaker 8: Libs down here, of course, they've got to try and
Speaker 8: win back from Jacinda Allen. I mean, Victoria is such
Speaker 8: a fascinating case because the Victorian voters are obviously filthy
Speaker 8: on Dan Andrews and Cinda Allen. They hate state labor,
Speaker 8: but they didn't hate state labor enough not to vote
Speaker 8: federal labor.
Speaker 1: So clearly they're just.
Speaker 8: Going to punish the state labor and they're happy to
Speaker 8: have labor in power in Canberra. But Monique Ryan, doctor,
Speaker 8: don't forget doctor.
Speaker 1: Your master.
Speaker 9: Years.
Speaker 2: This is the silver lining door put your mask.
Speaker 7: On, which this paves the way for Josh fridenbur to
Speaker 7: come back. Josh Fredenberg based on I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 2: You have to say that he would be Prime ministeris
Speaker 2: leadership content.
Speaker 7: Exactly, and that's what I'm saying, so absolutely. But if
Speaker 7: it was to knock her out of the seat, I
Speaker 7: think I think he does well.
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd always you'd have to say, always one
Speaker 2: day have that ambition? Is it in three years time?
Speaker 1: It's sequel Steve, It's payback Cuyon too, the ultimate revenge.
Speaker 8: I don't need to spend the rest of the night
Speaker 8: with Josh Friedenberg texting me saying, you know, stop knocking
Speaker 8: me off before I put my hand up. But I
Speaker 8: don't think he wants to do it. I certainly probably
Speaker 8: think his family don't want him to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure eventually he'll go back into politics, but it's
Speaker 2: whether it's in three years time.
Speaker 7: If it's in your blood, it's in your blood, you can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has still has a greater contribution to
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 6: I have no doubt.
Speaker 7: I think he's an enormously talented figure. He's obviously a
Speaker 7: future leader. And again talking about the Liberal leadership, I
Speaker 7: have no doubt that Josh Fredenberg will come back in Koyong.
Speaker 7: I have no doubt that he will win barring some
Speaker 7: unfore seen and then he is obviously the next candidate.
Speaker 7: He is one of the very people who can bring
Speaker 7: together both sort of wings of the broad church of
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: Well, what about Zoey Daniel. She's still refusing to concede
Speaker 2: her seat of Goldstein to Tim Smith. I mean she
Speaker 2: posted on Instagram and there are still ten thousand votes
Speaker 2: to count. Please respect the process and voters until a
Speaker 2: definitive position is clear. I mean she didn't have that
Speaker 2: issue on the night of the election some ten days ago.
Speaker 1: Steve Well, I remember the pictures.
Speaker 8: I mean there was the fist pumping and the singing
Speaker 8: and the dancing and neck grind did the same thing, claimed.
Speaker 1: It before it was settled. This is just her, I believe,
Speaker 1: playing with Tim Wilson's head.
Speaker 8: I mean, if Tim Wilson puts his hand up tomorrow
Speaker 8: for either a deputy spot or a leader's spot, I mean,
Speaker 8: imagine what would then happen if Zoe Daniel would win
Speaker 8: In three days time.
Speaker 1: Everybody's called it. Tom Connell's not going to get that wrong.
Speaker 8: I mean it's clearly she's lost, and she's filthy about
Speaker 8: it and doesn't want to admit it.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting, of course how this will play out
Speaker 2: in the leadership contest tomorrow, you know which, because Tim
Speaker 2: Wilson gets a vote. He was even thinking of running
Speaker 2: at one point.
Speaker 7: I think it'd be great now and it could be
Speaker 7: a good opportunity to have someone who's really young.
Speaker 1: But I think he's I don't think he is, but
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: Think he would be.
Speaker 2: He was putting it out there, all right, Steer Price
Speaker 2: Joho raps. Now, the family of US Israeli hostage Eden
Speaker 2: Alexander are counting down the hours until they can see
Speaker 2: the twenty one year old again. Hamas has announced that
Speaker 2: they will release the last American hostage in Gaza. Now.
Speaker 2: Eden was kidnapped on October seven, twenty twenty three, five
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three days ago. Now, if we believe Humas,
Speaker 2: he's expected to be released on Tuesday local time, and
Speaker 2: this is the same day that Donald Trump will begin
Speaker 2: his tour of the Middle East. The US President has
Speaker 2: praised the move, posting that this was a step, a
Speaker 2: step taken in good faith to to the United States
Speaker 2: and the efforts of the mediators Qatar and Egypt to
Speaker 2: put an end to this very brutal war and return
Speaker 2: all living hostages and remains to their loved ones. So
Speaker 2: that release supposedly being done as a gesture of good
Speaker 2: will after five hundred and eighty three days after the
Speaker 2: terror attacks of October seven, But who can seriously trust
Speaker 2: the word of Hermas or its backets for joining Minowskaanese
Speaker 2: contributor Kosha Gada, Kosha good to see you. Look, there's
Speaker 2: now reportedly pressure for Israel to reach some sort of
Speaker 2: deal with Hamas, and in my view this absolutely cannot happen.
Speaker 2: It needs to eliminate the terror group, and I mean
Speaker 2: even Albanizi says this Hamas cannot have a role in
Speaker 2: the future governing of Gaza. So are you concerned with
Speaker 2: how Trump is approaching this ongoing war or do you
Speaker 2: think let's just continue to give him the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt and perhaps this is just another negotiating tactic.
Speaker 9: It is very concerning. Sharian Gray Tabitha has always this
Speaker 9: is obviously very great news, even though it's many could
Speaker 9: say it's too little, too late. But for this particular hostage,
Speaker 9: reading Alexander, I can only imagine what he and his
Speaker 9: family or feeling, and that he's being released. I do
Speaker 9: love the framing of it as a gesture of goodwill.
Speaker 2: I agree with you there.
Speaker 9: It's hard to say those words given the time that's
Speaker 9: elapsed and everything that's happened. But I think just the
Speaker 9: negotiating strategy that the Trump administration is taking. He's going there,
Speaker 9: it's going to be his first trip to the Middle
Speaker 9: East as he's elected. He wants to have it sort
Speaker 9: of be buoyed by a positive theme or thematic around that.
Speaker 9: I think this was part of the negotiation to get
Speaker 9: this hostage released before his trip, So he's using all
Speaker 9: of that to kind of give this veneer, if you will,
Speaker 9: of goodwill and give.
Speaker 2: It a chance.
Speaker 9: But the fundamentals of the issue there, where Israel stands,
Speaker 9: where the US stands, and what hamas hasn't really changed
Speaker 9: even with these small wins. And because of that, I
Speaker 9: just find it a little bit difficult to see how
Speaker 9: the story is going to necessarily shift course. But we
Speaker 9: shall see. The only time will tell.
Speaker 2: I have to say. I mean, just sitting here, I
Speaker 2: do feel quite disappointed. I mean, you remember when the
Speaker 2: president was in his election campaign and before he took office,
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, within I can't remember the
Speaker 2: time frame, within forty eight hours or a week or
Speaker 2: whatever it was. He said, if every hostage is not released,
Speaker 2: there will be hell to pay. That's what he said.
Speaker 2: He said he will unleash hell. When that never happened.
Speaker 2: The hostages haven't been released, So I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I do think there's an incredible disappointment here. And if
Speaker 2: you're going to make those threats as president of the
Speaker 2: United States, well what happens when you don't follow through?
Speaker 2: You lose your authority and your credibility anyway kosher. He's
Speaker 2: meanwhile set to accept a four hundred million dollar US
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollar US Boeing seven four seven gift
Speaker 2: from the Katar royal family, and this jumbo jet may
Speaker 2: even at least temporarily replace Air Force one. Again, very lavish,
Speaker 2: extremely lavish gift. Should he accept this, you.
Speaker 9: Know, I don't love this one, I have to say.
Speaker 9: And it's a little bit off brand for Trump, because he,
Speaker 9: as an example, is the only president in history who
Speaker 9: hasn't taken the salary that he gets. At something like
Speaker 9: half a million US dollars, it's not a small amount
Speaker 9: of money even for somebody as rich as he is,
Speaker 9: and he does not accept that he donates it to
Speaker 9: different causes just as an example. So this kind of
Speaker 9: feels off brand from that. His whole thing is that
Speaker 9: he's a self funded billionaire and he's not beholden to anybody,
Speaker 9: and he doesn't take donations from anybody, let alone from
Speaker 9: the qataris what they will say. The administration is saying
Speaker 9: in the press. Secretary addressed this earlier today, is it's
Speaker 9: legal within whatever the rules are of accepting gifts. It's
Speaker 9: not going to him personally. It stays with the White House.
Speaker 9: It might be donated to his library later, so on
Speaker 9: and so forth. But it's not a great look. I
Speaker 9: think he's using it to show up the fact that
Speaker 9: the US and Boeing have been very slow to get
Speaker 9: upgrades done on Air Force one. But all of that
Speaker 9: just doesn't make sense, and the idea of Air Force
Speaker 9: one being a Katari plane is something that I don't
Speaker 9: think actually sits very well with even a lot of
Speaker 9: people on his base, to the extent that they're paying attention.
Speaker 2: Then, on the trade deal with China, there also seems
Speaker 2: to be negotiations ongoing. US Treasury Secretary Scott Besson has
Speaker 2: confirmed that there's going to be a ninety day pause
Speaker 2: on the tariffs. It may be decreased as well. Kosher
Speaker 2: wears this up to.
Speaker 9: So they've just finished two days of negotiations in Geneva,
Speaker 9: supposedly reportedly they've reached agreement to a term sheet, so
Speaker 9: at least the outlines of a new deal. We don't
Speaker 9: know much more about the specifics. They're going to joint
Speaker 9: press conference tomorrow with senior officials from both the US
Speaker 9: and China where we'll get some more details, or so
Speaker 9: we expect. So I think it's in the right direction.
Speaker 9: At least. The rhetoric that's coming out from both China
Speaker 9: and the US seems to be positive that they reach
Speaker 9: some kind of alignment. They're finding common ground. Neither country,
Speaker 9: biggest trading partners in the world want to live in
Speaker 9: a world where there it's one hundred and fifty percent
Speaker 9: plus terrorifts. It doesn't make sense in the long term,
Speaker 9: But it was definitely a negotiating tactic to try and
Speaker 9: recalibrate the trade deficits. And it looks like some headway
Speaker 9: has been made and we should learn more.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, all right, and we'll update you on the show tomorrow. Koshagada,
Speaker 2: thanks so much. Now still to come. A labor insider
Speaker 2: takes us through the factional warfare engulfing the party just
Speaker 2: days after their massive win. Karon Milner would join me
Speaker 2: shortly and he'll let us know what's really going on.
Speaker 2: But first, Ray Hadley's back on the desk. This time
Speaker 2: he'll share his take on the liberal leadership. Stay tuned,
Speaker 2: Ray Hadley right here up next, Welcome back now. Ray
Speaker 2: Hadley's usually on a Tuesday night, but this week he's
Speaker 2: here on Monday, and he joins me right now, Radio Legend.
Speaker 2: Great to see you again.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Great to be here as well. There's plenty
Speaker 6: to talk about it, so much going on.
Speaker 2: I mean, who would have thought, I really can't get
Speaker 2: over this that they just days after their massive win
Speaker 2: and they're fighting over factional spots leaking in the paper
Speaker 2: accusing the deputy Prime minister. I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: man who travels the world representing the country accusing him
Speaker 2: of being dumb and nasty sociopath.
Speaker 10: Sevet, You've got to be a political historian to understand this.
Speaker 10: If you go back to the nineteen sixties, or wonderful
Speaker 10: journalist called Alan Reid, describe the Labor Party federally as
Speaker 10: thirty six faceless men. Arthur Corwell couldn't select his cabinet,
Speaker 10: and he made the point that thirty six faceless men
Speaker 10: were making decisions that an elected prime minister or opposition
Speaker 10: leader couldn't choose either the cabinet or shadow cabinet. So
Speaker 10: we fast forward to twenty twenty five, there's no different,
Speaker 10: I mean sixty five years ago, and here we are
Speaker 10: still talking about the fact that Anthony Albanezi, with the
Speaker 10: mandate he has got, allegedly couldn't vote for Hughsick and
Speaker 10: Drafish to stay. Now your revelation today tonight that in
Speaker 10: fact he could have well, of course he could have,
Speaker 10: I mean on the wrap on the prime ministra as
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 6: But this is an historic win for him.
Speaker 10: It's not a presidential election we've just seen, but it
Speaker 10: is almost presidential in that he's won ninety three seats
Speaker 10: and he did almost single handedly.
Speaker 6: And for him to actually say.
Speaker 10: Oh, the Labor Party policy caucus dictates to me, I mean,
Speaker 10: that's rubbish.
Speaker 6: If he had.
Speaker 10: Any bottle or a very coarse expression I won't use
Speaker 10: in front of a young lady, if he had any bottle.
Speaker 10: He would have just said, listen, factional worry is all
Speaker 10: you like. The right in Victoria, the right here, you know,
Speaker 10: I'm calling them. I'm calling the line here, and the
Speaker 10: line is Husic's days and drayfuds days, Drayfuth his wife
Speaker 10: passed away.
Speaker 6: He wanted to retire, the poor fellow, and they convinced
Speaker 6: him to stay.
Speaker 10: Then they treat him like some sort of offul and
Speaker 10: pass him off to the left.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just not right. But the Prime minister's
Speaker 6: shame that he's very weak.
Speaker 10: He's got a mandate, but he relies on this old
Speaker 10: axiom from the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 6: I we've got to stick with what callous and the
Speaker 6: factions say.
Speaker 10: People elected the Labor Party to govern with the best
Speaker 10: possible people in that position, and it's not happening.
Speaker 2: I mean, you remember the shock after Rudd was overthrown
Speaker 2: by the faceless man. I mean, this was a prime
Speaker 2: minister that at the time was still popular with the people.
Speaker 2: Landslide when popular with the people, and then it was
Speaker 2: such a shock for everyone to wake up one day
Speaker 2: and discover that he wasn't the Prime minister anymore. No
Speaker 2: one knew, you know, who the Marka Bibbs of the
Speaker 2: world were at the time, who played a hand in
Speaker 2: enrolling Kevin Wright.
Speaker 6: This may come back to haunt the Prime Minister. This
Speaker 6: may come back to haunt him.
Speaker 10: He's very lucky that he's got such a vast majority
Speaker 10: over the opposition that will see him win if he
Speaker 10: survived the next three years, and possibly go on to
Speaker 10: have a third term if he wants it. I suspect,
Speaker 10: but I think the factional worry is that he's now
Speaker 10: Cowtawing two might come after him down the track a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly. I mean, if they have this much power,
Speaker 2: his own position isn't garant. Let's talk about the Liberal leadership.
Speaker 2: So tomorrow it looks like Angus Taylor Susan lay for
Speaker 2: the leader, but Jacenter Price will put up her hand
Speaker 2: for deputy Now. Matt Canavan on this show and Thursday
Speaker 2: absolutely laid into her. We're going to play clip in
Speaker 2: a second. But also such a different response from the
Speaker 2: Nationals leader David Little Proud today earlier on with Chris Kenny.
Speaker 2: If we have them, let's play, let's play both Matt
Speaker 2: Canavan and then David Little Proud.
Speaker 3: So I just hope that whatever contribution j just Sinda
Speaker 3: can make in the Liberal Party is a constructive one
Speaker 3: that progresses their cause.
Speaker 6: And if that means she goes.
Speaker 2: All the way to the top, well then I'm.
Speaker 1: In full support.
Speaker 11: It's like changing teams on the football field after the
Speaker 11: whistle has blown. It's not the sort of behavior I
Speaker 11: think Austrains appreciate, and it's sort of a kind of
Speaker 11: thing that Lydia Thorpe did. How is what your center's
Speaker 11: doing any different from what Lydia did?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that just a shocking comparison, But I mean,
Speaker 2: no one we've got Bouten Well yeah for the NATS leadership.
Speaker 10: I mean really comparing her with Lydia Thorpe, it's a
Speaker 10: disgraceful comparison. Given the circumstances, they're supposed to be a coalition,
Speaker 10: and depending on what side of the coalition she's on,
Speaker 10: it doesn't matter. She's still part of the coalition and
Speaker 10: she's part of the Liberal Party now she will be
Speaker 10: the deputy leader and no matter who wins, because they
Speaker 10: both anointed her.
Speaker 6: Susan Lee said.
Speaker 10: Yes, I'd work with her, and so as obviously Angus.
Speaker 10: But I don't think it matter who wins tomorrow, because
Speaker 10: I don't think.
Speaker 6: The whole lead at the next election.
Speaker 10: I think there'll be plenty of jockeying, and you know
Speaker 10: from other younger members of the opposition, not that there's
Speaker 10: a lot of them there at the moment, but I
Speaker 10: don't think either of them will lead to the election
Speaker 10: in three years time anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting with just Enter because you know, clearly
Speaker 2: there's some anger from the nuts at her defection. But
Speaker 2: at least David little Prout accepted it because Chris Kenny
Speaker 2: said to him, Look, the only job she can't do
Speaker 2: in the National Party is prime minister. She can do
Speaker 2: every other job, so she must have that ambition if
Speaker 2: she wants to move to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 10: The punters wouldn't give a tinker's cuss she's with as
Speaker 10: long as she's part of the Conservative movement. And you're right,
Speaker 10: she's an ambitious woman and I think she could make
Speaker 10: a great prime minister down the track, so obviously she
Speaker 10: wants to be a great prime ministers. She can't do
Speaker 10: it from the national side of politics, not to go
Speaker 10: to the other side. But I mean they are a coalition,
Speaker 10: and I mean for Matt Canevan to say what he
Speaker 10: said in relation to her.
Speaker 6: You know, you talk to the people out there. They've
Speaker 6: lost no respect for her. They still like her. She's
Speaker 6: a very capable woman.
Speaker 2: Rather than damaging Jcinta.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm sure it has.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Ray, last week you said that your granddaughter
Speaker 2: Lola was going to have some tests yes to see
Speaker 2: where her cancer levels were up to. Would you mind?
Speaker 10: Well, we've got some wonderful news that I didn't know
Speaker 10: about until after I had appeared with you. For these
Speaker 10: little babies like Lola, who's just three, who have lukemia,
Speaker 10: what they try to do in the first twenty eight
Speaker 10: days followed by the next fifty six is get rid
Speaker 10: of the CMI yourselves out of the bone marrow. When
Speaker 10: she did the first test after twenty eight, there were
Speaker 10: still cancer cells there. So after the next bout of
Speaker 10: chemo therapy, we got the exciting news last Wednesday night
Speaker 10: that the leukemia cells were no longer evident.
Speaker 6: In her bone marrow. Now that doesn't mean she's in
Speaker 6: the clear.
Speaker 10: It means that she's now gone tom munotherapy where she
Speaker 10: wears a backpack twenty four to seven, and then she
Speaker 10: goes back on chemo, but it means that the bone
Speaker 10: marrow transplant that may have been if the were still
Speaker 10: Lukemiaselves there is now no longer going to happen. And
Speaker 10: the family's ecstatic because my poor daughter and son in
Speaker 10: Laura have had no victories for the last six months.
Speaker 10: This is a victory and we hope and pray that
Speaker 10: she can continues with the progress she's made over the
Speaker 10: past couple of months.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's by far the hardest son lowless parents,
Speaker 2: and it's been really tough on you as well, Ray,
Speaker 2: I mean, your life has been has revolved around Lola
Speaker 2: and visiting the hospital and her house.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I'm a minor player in all of this.
Speaker 10: I think Matt grand dad should understand that the female
Speaker 10: side of the family play much more important part with
Speaker 10: little grand daughters.
Speaker 6: And all I can do is off of my support
Speaker 6: to my daughter, my son in law and the rest
Speaker 6: of the family. And that's what I try to do.
Speaker 10: And I'm lucky that I'm not working full time that
Speaker 10: I can actually do that because I was still doing
Speaker 10: my program that I've done for the last thirty years
Speaker 10: between nine and twelve. It means three thirty starts, and
Speaker 10: it means long days, and it means that perhaps I
Speaker 10: can't be doing the things that I'm now doing for
Speaker 10: the family.
Speaker 2: And you want to share with our viewers tonight how
Speaker 2: Lola celebrated.
Speaker 6: This was just after she came home from hospital. The
Speaker 6: little girl that cuddles her little sister, Remy.
Speaker 10: She's got two sisters, Avy who's seven, and Remy, who's
Speaker 10: about eighteen months old.
Speaker 2: So let's have a look now at Lola and her
Speaker 2: eighteen month old sister Remy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, mummy.
Speaker 10: Look she wanted mummy to see a cuddling a bigger system.
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, we all had a tear in our
Speaker 6: and we saw that originally.
Speaker 10: But look, there are many other children, many other families
Speaker 10: that said last week battling this dreadful disease and the
Speaker 10: work of the Sydney Children's Hospital Network and John Hunter
Speaker 10: and all the other hospitals across Australia are doing a
Speaker 10: wonderful job to try and alleviate the pain and suffering
Speaker 10: for these little ones.
Speaker 2: All right, Ray, thank you so much. We'll see you
Speaker 2: next week Monday, Monday night.
Speaker 6: Is that alright with you?
Speaker 2: Yep, that's fine with me. I'm here every night, so
Speaker 2: whichever night works best for you.
Speaker 10: No, Monday is fantastic Monday night next week?
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, thanks.
Speaker 2: Right coming up after the break, the new Pope holds
Speaker 2: his first event with the press. So Fhi Ellsworth was
Speaker 2: there and she'll join me live from the Vatican shortly plus,
Speaker 2: Labor embroiled in factional warfare? Will hear from Cameron Milner next? Well,
Speaker 2: let's return to Labour's factional warfare. No one better place
Speaker 2: to speak about it than labor former State secretary and
Speaker 2: Bill Shorton's former chief of staff, Cameron Milner. Cameron, great
Speaker 2: to see you again. Look, I understand that Albanize personally
Speaker 2: wanted Ed Husick gone, and Richard Miles is the fall guy. Look,
Speaker 2: alban easy has form doing things like this, doesn't he?
Speaker 3: He does, And he certainly did that in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two when he threatened both Tania Pleversek and Bill Shorten
Speaker 3: with losing their spots and tried to make machinations and
Speaker 3: manevings to get rid of both of them, because he's
Speaker 3: such so pressured by that by their presence in the cabinet. Still,
Speaker 3: but look who benefits the person of benefits from ed
Speaker 3: Husick losing industry and science. Is the very person who's
Speaker 3: replaced ed Husick, which is Tim is Tim is the
Speaker 3: viewers probably, I don't know. He's a talentless hack, a
Speaker 3: talentless hack who's only claim to fame is his Albow's
Speaker 3: best mate for the New South Wales hard Left, and
Speaker 3: he suddenly has ed Husick's portfolio, and suddenly the Left
Speaker 3: have control of cabinet now as well. So Albo's happy
Speaker 3: days best mate takes Ed's job after getting miles to
Speaker 3: the dirty work, and now also he has absolute carte
Speaker 3: blonde control of the cabinet with a full left agenda
Speaker 3: to roll out.
Speaker 2: So the ministry positions are equal between the labor right
Speaker 2: and the labor left. Is that right? But then in
Speaker 2: cabinet there are more factional left. So if that's the case,
Speaker 2: how does this play out in.
Speaker 3: Terms of policy, Well, it means there's no there's no
Speaker 3: safety net for voters any longer. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you could have relied on the labor right to be
Speaker 3: sensible and centrist and get rid of the worst excesses
Speaker 3: of the left.
Speaker 1: That's all gone. The safety has now gone.
Speaker 3: Albow stands ahead of the left with Penny Wong and
Speaker 3: other crazies who want to implement a whole range of
Speaker 3: policies that voter's never voted for. But not Let's not forget,
Speaker 3: of course that Penny Wong did put voice Truth and
Speaker 3: Treaty firmly on the agenda before polling day in a
Speaker 3: deliberate act to get that up in this term of office.
Speaker 3: But there's a whole of other left policies as well
Speaker 3: that voters didn't vote for. The Labor right would normally
Speaker 3: say no to, but now lost that power to say
Speaker 3: no on behalf of the Australian voters.
Speaker 2: Can you talk us through some of the other you
Speaker 2: know what you and I would call radical policy areas
Speaker 2: that you suspect could now be on Labour's agenda given
Speaker 2: the Left do have the control of cabinet.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: You only have to look at what Labor state conferences
Speaker 3: and national conferences been passing get to see where the
Speaker 3: Labour Left.
Speaker 6: Want to go.
Speaker 3: They want blokes running around in women's sport. They want
Speaker 3: sex trained drugs handed to twelve year old children without
Speaker 3: parental consent. They want to recognize the state of Palestine,
Speaker 3: but with Hamas having a role to play. I mean,
Speaker 3: these are crazy policies from the hard left, and they're
Speaker 3: the sorts of things that voters weren't exposed to but
Speaker 3: will be with this massive majority of the Elbow and
Speaker 3: the Left now have and the fact that no one
Speaker 3: can stop them, not least of course the Senate either
Speaker 3: where their comrades and the Greens or even further the
Speaker 3: left will be egging them on for tax policies like
Speaker 3: negative gearing changes, this unrealized capital gains tax on SOUPA,
Speaker 3: whole range of other things about family trusts will be
Speaker 3: on the agenda as well. No, we're about to see
Speaker 3: radical lurch the left, and the only thing stopping it
Speaker 3: is lazy Elbow. Albow might just be too much into
Speaker 3: the large es and traveling the world and Toto won
Speaker 3: again to actually be oversee some of this gender. But
Speaker 3: if not, voters are going to get a radical left
Speaker 3: agenda that they're never voted for in the last election.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting because we're all talking about the
Speaker 2: size of Labour's win, and you know, when you get
Speaker 2: over ninety sets, no question, massive loudslide. But you know
Speaker 2: you've written before that this is a statistical anomaly because
Speaker 2: Labour's primary is so low, and for people at home,
Speaker 2: when I talk about Labour's primary, that's the number of
Speaker 2: people that actually put one on the ballot, the ballot
Speaker 2: box when they're voting for Labor, and that's somewhere around
Speaker 2: the thirty four potentially thirty five percent.
Speaker 3: Cameron, Yeah, sixty five, two thirds of Australian did not
Speaker 3: vote for Albot, and yet his government looks like he's
Speaker 3: got a massive majority. That's actually built on statistical numbers,
Speaker 3: not the primary vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that comes down to preferences and also it's
Speaker 2: obviously a result of the fact that the coalition or
Speaker 2: the Liberal vote crashed, so you know, preferences all went
Speaker 2: to Labor and they're now sitting on ninety plus seats
Speaker 2: and they think they've got a massive mandate and we
Speaker 2: will just have to Time will tell whether they do
Speaker 2: go down this radical left path that you are saying
Speaker 2: you suspect they will. And you've been in there, you're
Speaker 2: an insider, all right, Cameron, really appreciate your time. I
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere strange. First press event from the new Pope,
Speaker 2: no questions from journalists. Sophie Elsworth will tell us what
Speaker 2: the new Pope said after this break, well, Pope Leo
Speaker 2: the fourteenth has fronted media the first time, meeting with
Speaker 2: more than six thousand journalists at the Vatican, where he
Speaker 2: talked about his concern for the future of AI. Here
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Speaker 12: I'm thinking in particular of artificial intelligence with its potential edition.
Speaker 12: Nevertheless requires responsibility, they learned in order to ensure that
Speaker 12: it can be so that it can responsibility.
Speaker 2: And let's cross live to Vatican City now when News
Speaker 2: cop Europe correspondent Sophie Elsworth joins me Selfie, tell us
Speaker 2: what else he said at.
Speaker 13: This precedent, Sarry, this was just remarkable to be in
Speaker 13: this massive hall just beside Sir Peter's Basilica, where the
Speaker 13: Pope addressed thousands of people. There were hundreds of cameramen,
Speaker 13: thousands of journalists and it wasn't a normal press conference.
Speaker 13: He sat up the front, given a round of applause
Speaker 13: when he arrived. There were no questions, but he gave
Speaker 13: an eleven minute address. He asked the media to be
Speaker 13: really careful in their reporting, think carefully on what words
Speaker 13: they use, don't encourage a war of words, choose their
Speaker 13: language carefully. This was sort of his underlying message to
Speaker 13: the media. He thanked them very much for their coverage
Speaker 13: of recent events, including the death of Pope Francis, the
Speaker 13: funeral and the subsequent conclave, but a very strong.
Speaker 2: Message that he wants unity within the media and cherry.
Speaker 13: I've got to say I was quite blown away to
Speaker 13: see a lot of the media here, who you think
Speaker 13: would be incredibly objective, are standing up and giving him
Speaker 13: a standing ovation. This was not a normal type of
Speaker 13: press conference. I asked some vaticanisters who report on the
Speaker 13: Vatican full time, and they said, you won't see this again.
Speaker 2: This is incredibly rare.
Speaker 13: They do it when the Pope is announced and not again.
Speaker 13: So he was a very interesting to be there in
Speaker 13: the room, but not really a press conference because he
Speaker 13: didn't have to answer any questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in fact no questions allowed. Now we are
Speaker 2: hearing that there are some controversies, at least in the media.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is what the Pope was referring to. Don't
Speaker 2: report on them, but there have been some controversies already
Speaker 2: emerging about this new Pope. Took us through them. Well,
Speaker 2: they have shari.
Speaker 13: A lot of this is in the English speaking press
Speaker 13: that during his tenure when he was in Chicago, that
Speaker 13: he didn't handle sexual abuse allegations involving other priests correctly.
Speaker 13: And there's claims that this is something that is a
Speaker 13: black mark on his name, and there was a complaint
Speaker 13: written to the Vatican about this. Now there's been other
Speaker 13: reporting as a result of this saying that this is
Speaker 13: not the case and it's an activist group with an
Speaker 13: agenda here. So this has obviously dominated a lot of
Speaker 13: the English speaking press, but difficult to find in some
Speaker 13: of the Italian newspapers when I'm looking at them translating
Speaker 13: what they're saying.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 13: There is a massive arm of media here that are
Speaker 13: very pro Vatican, very much pushing out the narratives that
Speaker 13: he wants. This is a massive eventual being here's Charry
Speaker 13: with such a huge media contingency, and they will a
Speaker 13: lot of them be back here for the inauguration on Sunday.
Speaker 2: All right, Sophy Alswa, thank you as always for your
Speaker 2: updates from Vatican City. All right, I won't be here
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. I will be back Wednesday, so tune in
Speaker 2: Wednesday well, and tune in tomorrow night as well. But
Speaker 2: I just won't be here. I hope all of the
Speaker 2: moms out there had a beautiful Mother's Day yesterday. I
Speaker 2: hope you were spoiled as I was by my two
Speaker 2: beautiful children and my husband. I'll see you on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Here's Paul Murray.