WEBVTT - Sharri | 12 May

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening Tonight. Anthony Albanzi wanted ed Husick out of cabinet,

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<v Speaker 2>privately accusing him of disloyalty, and now Albinizi is letting

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<v Speaker 2>Richard milesby the fall guy. I should have said the ministry,

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<v Speaker 2>not cabinet. I'll bring you this exclusive in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Who should be the leader of the Liberal Party? Are

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<v Speaker 2>there any options who can win back thirty five seats?

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<v Speaker 2>It seems that very unlikely. Ray Hadley would join me

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<v Speaker 2>live to discuss labor operative. Cameron Milner will outline the

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<v Speaker 2>radical agenda he says Albinizi and Penny Wong are secretly planning. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is set to accept an extravagant gift from Qatar,

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<v Speaker 2>this as he negotiates the return of one American hostage.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he really trusting the word of a terror group.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get the latest with Kosha data, but first tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albanzi wanted ed Husick out of the ministry, privately

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<v Speaker 2>accusing him of disloyalty, and Labour sols to say that

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister is now letting his deputy Richard Miles

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<v Speaker 2>be the fall guy to the blood letting division and

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<v Speaker 2>enmities consuming labor less than a week after its shock

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<v Speaker 2>landslide win. While each political party is currently consumed by

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<v Speaker 2>a division, the Greens need to choose a new leader,

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<v Speaker 2>while the Liberals are leaking against their rivals ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>the party room meeting tomorrow. But none of this division

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<v Speaker 2>is as astonishing as Labour's factional brawl that's erupted just

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<v Speaker 2>days after one of their largest election victories. Labour's former

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss was ready to resign before the

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<v Speaker 2>last election after his wife Deborah passed away in November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, but Labour figures asked him to stay

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<v Speaker 2>and again contest his seat Issacs. They were worried that

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<v Speaker 2>if he stepped back, they'd risk losing the seat. They

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<v Speaker 2>thought that Victoria was going to be a blood bath. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Dreyfus did them a favor, one that he presumably

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have agreed to had he known that he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>repaid with a shock demotion, and today Dreyfus was dropped

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<v Speaker 2>from cabinet altogether and replaced as Attorney General by Michelle Rowlands,

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<v Speaker 2>and Ed Husick has also been dropped from the ministry,

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<v Speaker 2>while Tanya Plibsek was dumped from Environment and given the

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<v Speaker 2>Social Services portfolio. This makes Alberteasi's key rival invisible and

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<v Speaker 2>continues his poor treatment and marginalization of her. In other moves,

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<v Speaker 2>Anika Wells takes on Communications from Rolands, while Anne Ali

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<v Speaker 2>and Tim Ares joined cabinet a small Business and Industry

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<v Speaker 2>and Science minister respectively. Mark Butler takes on the NDIS portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>This after Bill Shorten's departure, and despite not having solved

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<v Speaker 2>the housing crisis and far from it, Clara O'Neil now

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<v Speaker 2>adds the new Ministry of Cities to her responsibilities. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is about consolidating Labour's position in the cities and

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<v Speaker 2>well Their ambition is to confine the Liberals to be

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<v Speaker 2>an outer regional party. It's also worth noting that the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Cabinet still has a Muslim in ann Ali, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's now no Jewish minister. This matters when Pennywong and

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke push for Palestinian recognition, as they're likely to

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<v Speaker 2>do this term. Who's there to argue against them? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's the ruthless acting of Dreyfus and Husick that has

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<v Speaker 2>upset many labor and peace. Now the Prime minister tried

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<v Speaker 2>to just dismiss this today issue Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Or either Mark Dreyfus saw it husick to say in

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<v Speaker 3>the ministry and if not, why not.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, we have a process in the labor cool because

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<v Speaker 4>you've been watching it for some time.

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<v Speaker 2>Senior labor figures I spoke to today pointed to Drayfus's

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<v Speaker 2>age sixty eight. They said it was time for renewal

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<v Speaker 2>and for younger talent. But the brutal act of this

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<v Speaker 2>betrayal cannot be ignored. Drayfus reportedly phoned Albanzi on Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>morning and asked him personally to intervene. Sam Maiden reports

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<v Speaker 2>that a delegation also begged Albanesi, but again he declined

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<v Speaker 2>to get involved. Now, given the size of Labour's victory,

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<v Speaker 2>Albanize could have stopped the bloodshed if he wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have told the Victorian right faction, led by

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<v Speaker 2>his deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles, that he wanted Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Dreyfus to stay in cabinet. I mean, alban Easy is

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<v Speaker 2>up to his neck in factional politics, but he chose

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<v Speaker 2>not to do this. Now, the full weight of anger

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<v Speaker 2>from Labor and Peace is currently being directed at Richard Miles,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's also frustration at Albanezi for failing to insist

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<v Speaker 2>on unity and provide stability. Now it's unclear precisely what

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister's beef is with Dreyfus, apart from the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he did speak in defense of Israel in

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet meetings. But it's well known that Albinizi has been

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<v Speaker 2>unhappy with Ed Husick for a while. He's concerned that

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<v Speaker 2>he's been disloyal, and he's blamed him for leaks. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's accurate or not, that was the Prime Minister's perception.

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<v Speaker 2>One labour source told me today Albanzi absolutely wanted him out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's convenient for the Prime Minister that Richard Miles

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<v Speaker 2>is wearing the blame for Husick's demotion, and it's no

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<v Speaker 2>accident that that is how this narrative is being portrayed.

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<v Speaker 2>But in truth, it had very little to do with

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Miles at all. Simply had their fourth spot returned

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<v Speaker 2>to them. It was lost when Bill shot and retired,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was alban Ezy's Socialist left faction that demanded

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<v Speaker 2>an extra spot in cabinet, and the New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>Right could have dumped Tony Burke or Chris Bowen or

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Clair who has a pretty low profile, but they chose.

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<v Speaker 2>It was ed Husick's own faction who chose to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of him, and they did so in the full

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge that it was alban Easy's preferred outcome. And now

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<v Speaker 2>a week after their landslide victory, when you'd think they'd

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<v Speaker 2>all be celebrating instead, all of this dirty laundry has

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<v Speaker 2>been aired in public. Now. Ed Husick described Richard Miles

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<v Speaker 2>as a factional assassin on the ABC yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>The difficult issue here is that we've had sort of

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<v Speaker 5>bear faced ambition and a deputy Prime minister wheeled a

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<v Speaker 5>factional club to reshape the ministry. I think when people

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<v Speaker 5>look at a deputy prime minister they expect to see

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<v Speaker 5>a statesman, not a factional assassin.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, he couldn't come out as strongly against the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister or against his own faction. He might need them

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<v Speaker 2>for a promotion down the track. But he did say

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<v Speaker 2>that Albaneze could have intervened given the authority he now

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<v Speaker 2>wields over the party.

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<v Speaker 5>The PM had great authority coming out of the election.

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<v Speaker 5>I think if you'd exercise it in a way that

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<v Speaker 5>provided for stability and a strong team, but had been

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<v Speaker 5>there and could go forward, no one would have quibbled

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<v Speaker 5>about that. So I was going to ask you about

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<v Speaker 5>the role of the Prime minister. Do you think he

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<v Speaker 5>should have intervened or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, right like I'm not going to sit here

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<v Speaker 5>with false modesty, of course, and ed.

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<v Speaker 2>Husick will not go quietly. Labor and Peace have already

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<v Speaker 2>launched an extraordinary spray describing Richard Marles, their deputy Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>as dumb and nasty in this news dot COM's at

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<v Speaker 2>a U article written by Sam Maiden, and she reports

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<v Speaker 2>that Labor and PS were scathing however the brutality of

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<v Speaker 2>the post election reshuffle, with one describing the factional power

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<v Speaker 2>brokers as sociopaths. Albanize has unfettered power now. A Labour

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<v Speaker 2>souce said he could have used that power to protect

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<v Speaker 2>front benches and he didn't. Sam Ray is Richard Miles's

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<v Speaker 2>numbers man, and Sam Ray is one of those that

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<v Speaker 2>the Victorian right now has in the ministry. Albanese's message

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<v Speaker 2>in response to this in fighting was to publicly say

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<v Speaker 2>that the Labor Party is greater than any individual.

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<v Speaker 4>Government brings with it responsibility and no individual is greater

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<v Speaker 4>than the collective and that includes myself. And we need

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<v Speaker 4>to approach this term with him Melody, to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that we deliver on the commitments that we made to

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<v Speaker 4>the Australian people, but also that we operate in a

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<v Speaker 4>way which shows solidarity.

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<v Speaker 2>That was his public appeal for unity when chaos was erupting,

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<v Speaker 2>but then at the caucus meeting made in reports that

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't even acknowledge or thank the two ministers who'd

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<v Speaker 2>been dumped, Dreyfus and Husick, and besides Albinizi was the

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<v Speaker 2>one behind Husick's dumping. Now, this is the true nature

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<v Speaker 2>of the ruthless prime minister, who doesn't look after his

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<v Speaker 2>own and only cares about his own tenure in the lodge.

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<v Speaker 2>This is who Dreyfus is making way for the Ministry

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Ray, who today became the Minister for Aged Care.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a former Victorian State secretary, a factional heavyweight and

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<v Speaker 2>very close to Richard Miles. He's young, he's known for

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<v Speaker 2>his unique hair style, but he is powerful and that

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<v Speaker 2>means maiden points out that Labor ministers Clara O'Neil, Mark Dreyfus,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter khalil, An MP, Josh Burns, Tim Watts, Cassandra Fernando

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<v Speaker 2>and so many others owe their seats or take their

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<v Speaker 2>orders from him. Maiden writes that this sort of conduct

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<v Speaker 2>might pass as normal and Doan Andrew's Victorian Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not the way things are done at the

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<v Speaker 2>federal level. But the overarching picture here is that the

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<v Speaker 2>left action now has control within the Albanezy government. And

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron Milner writes tonight in The Nightly that the Labor right,

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<v Speaker 2>the usually usually the more sensible faction, is now powerless

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<v Speaker 2>to stop the excesses of the left. And he says

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<v Speaker 2>that this is the case on everything from negative gearing,

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<v Speaker 2>recognition of Palestine, legislating the voice, promoting puberty blockers on

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<v Speaker 2>the PBS and more. And Cameron's going to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the show a bit later to talk about what he

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<v Speaker 2>said is the radical agenda that Labour has planned now.

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<v Speaker 2>Milner writes that Australia didn't vote knowingly for this radical

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<v Speaker 2>left agenda, but they are about to get the lesson

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<v Speaker 2>rammed down their throats. Ad nauseum. And that's because alban

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<v Speaker 2>Easy and Penny Wong and co. Will say that they

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<v Speaker 2>have the mandate for this radical reform with their ninety

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<v Speaker 2>plus seats, never mind the fact they only took a

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<v Speaker 2>small target agenda to the election. You know, their arrogance

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<v Speaker 2>will be insufferable. But if they're leaving powerful and disgruntled

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<v Speaker 2>and loud figures in their wake, like Ed Husick and

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Drafers, perhaps they're just the start. Then one thing

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<v Speaker 2>is for sure, it's not going to be smooth sailing

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<v Speaker 2>for the alban Easy government. All right to discuss now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in Sky News hosts Steve Price and Joe Hildebrandt.

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<v Speaker 6>You vote, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start with you so clearly, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know this as well as I do. Albanizy believed ed

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<v Speaker 2>Husick was disloyal. He blamed him for the leaks, whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not that's accurate. He wanted him gone from the ministry.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, to be honest and hand on heart.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what Albanese's personal feelings towards ed Husick are.

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<v Speaker 7>What I am told is that, as you say, this

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<v Speaker 7>was not necessarily Richard Miles's doing that obviously the makeup

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<v Speaker 7>of the ministry was going to change because the ministry

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<v Speaker 7>has to reflect the factional makeup and the state by

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<v Speaker 7>state makeup of the caucus. And because Victoria won a

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<v Speaker 7>swag of unexpected seats, that means that Victoria was going

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<v Speaker 7>to get more spots in the ministry, and the Victorian

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<v Speaker 7>Right was also entitled to an extra spot at the

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<v Speaker 7>expense of the New South Wales Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just that that was just Bill Shotton, the Bill

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<v Speaker 2>shot and spot being returned, which they didn't demand out

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<v Speaker 2>of unity during.

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<v Speaker 7>There was that one, but I think there was also

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<v Speaker 7>another one as well, and there was a demand that

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<v Speaker 7>obviously that News Right would have to give up one

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<v Speaker 7>of their spots in cabinet. My understanding is that figures

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<v Speaker 7>in the New South Wales Right did not did not

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<v Speaker 7>argue with that, They did not argue the toss, They

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<v Speaker 7>did not fight to keep ed Husick in the cabinet.

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<v Speaker 7>That and that representations were not even made to Anthony

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<v Speaker 7>Albinezi to keep ed Husick in the cabinet. I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>surprised by that simply because if you are a factional

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<v Speaker 7>power broker, there is absolutely no advantage in you saying

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<v Speaker 7>to the prime minister from an opposing faction, we would

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<v Speaker 7>like you to overrule the faction, the factional machine.

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<v Speaker 6>That gives us our power.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't think of any factional leader who would do that.

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<v Speaker 7>And Tony Burke and Chris Bowen, for example, both very influenced.

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<v Speaker 7>They basically control the faction between them in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 7>They would not want to outsource their power to a

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<v Speaker 7>prime minister from the other faction, notwithstanding how much they

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<v Speaker 7>might all get along. So so, I really like ed Husick.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he's a great talent, and I was very

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<v Speaker 7>sorry to see him go.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone, Joe, I do like everybody.

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<v Speaker 7>I do like everyone also, I like Berkie, and I

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<v Speaker 7>like Bowen, I love Jason Clare campaign spokesman very high Brocole.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Steve Price, who doesn't like everyone, Neither do

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<v Speaker 2>I Steve. You know, if Albert is behind this, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm hearing, he's letting Richard Marles be the

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<v Speaker 2>fall guy. You know, a music sacking had pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with Richard Marles.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>How how factional, how ruthless, how brutal Albaniz he really is.

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<v Speaker 8>It's only even worse. I mean, if you are going

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<v Speaker 8>to go into the new parliament with ninety plus ninety

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<v Speaker 8>two plus seats, you can do whatever you like. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I just get sick and tired. You know, Joe's going

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<v Speaker 8>on there about factional warlords and all this sort of crap.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, seriously, the country needs to be run. You've

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<v Speaker 8>got Sam Ray that you Shari have just pointed out.

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<v Speaker 8>It wields a lot of power in Victoria. Stephen Conroy's

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<v Speaker 8>a mate of his and he's sort of marshaled him

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<v Speaker 8>through the part. This boat's just now been made Minister

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<v Speaker 8>for Age Care. Can we worry about age care and

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<v Speaker 8>what's happening in age care now? Sam Ray's a factional

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<v Speaker 8>player and has just been handed one of the most

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<v Speaker 8>important portfolios in the country. It just annoys ordinary Australians

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<v Speaker 8>that the Labor Party and look, they won the election,

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<v Speaker 8>it was a thumping, but they just sit around tearing

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<v Speaker 8>each other apart, knifeing each other in the back, playing

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<v Speaker 8>factional games. Australians would like the new government if they

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<v Speaker 8>have five minutes to get on with running the country

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<v Speaker 8>and stop stabbing each other in the back all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really find it extraordinary, Joe that it was

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<v Speaker 2>just days they should have been celebrating their win and

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<v Speaker 2>already and it's not just one size, it's multiple bicks,

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<v Speaker 2>multiple media outlets leaking against each other. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>division always there was, it just very carefully managed before

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<v Speaker 2>the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think that that is the way the sort

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<v Speaker 7>of labor sort of machine works, and it's always been

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<v Speaker 7>that way. There's only been one election result after which

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<v Speaker 7>the prime minister made a captain's call on who was

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<v Speaker 7>in the cabinet, and that was Kevin Rudd in two

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<v Speaker 7>thousand and seven, because he said he had a mandate

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<v Speaker 7>and no one stood in his way, and that ended

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<v Speaker 7>up paving the way for what was called the Kitchen Cabinet,

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<v Speaker 7>where all this control was centralized among four senior ministers,

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<v Speaker 7>and that was that resulted in the government imploding. And

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<v Speaker 7>so there is method in the madness.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of what I think it was Rudd's personality that

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<v Speaker 2>was thought.

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<v Speaker 7>There was also that as well, but it was the

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<v Speaker 7>fact that the rest of the cabinet did not feel

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<v Speaker 7>like they were being respected and that was why they

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<v Speaker 7>revolted in Victoria. One of the really important things that's

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<v Speaker 7>happening is the right is trying to regain control of

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<v Speaker 7>that branch and the left there Obviously I'm no friend

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<v Speaker 7>of Daniel Andrews, but the left there has been an

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<v Speaker 7>absolute disaster in government and it needs and that's right,

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<v Speaker 7>and it needs to be retaken. And it was you know,

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<v Speaker 7>Dan Andrews used to serve at the pleasure of the

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<v Speaker 7>right and he's such a canny operator. And there was

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<v Speaker 7>the branch acting stuff that the left ended up just

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<v Speaker 7>taking whole fyle control of the state and the right

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<v Speaker 7>is trying to get it back. The problem is the

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<v Speaker 7>right is divided, so Richard Mirles actually only controls about

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<v Speaker 7>half of the Right in Victoria and the other the

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<v Speaker 7>rest of his control by other interests. So NISI unite

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<v Speaker 7>and then take over.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's have a look at the other side of politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it's a big day for the Liberal Party tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to decide between Angus Taylor and Susan Lay

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<v Speaker 2>and they could even be a surprise candidate for the

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<v Speaker 2>next leader. Steve Price, do you have a view on

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<v Speaker 2>if either of them would be able to win back

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five six? So who would be the better option

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<v Speaker 2>to regain the largest number of seats at the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>None of the above.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, what they're going to do tomorrow is vote

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<v Speaker 8>to put somebody into the worst job in Australia currently.

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<v Speaker 8>You're going to be opposition leader for at least three years,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe six if you last that long, and the next

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<v Speaker 8>generation clearly maybe led by Tim Wilson and other younger

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<v Speaker 8>members to manage to hang on during the blood bath.

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<v Speaker 8>So whoever get wins that vote tomorrow. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 8>a poison chalice, isn't it. I mean, you know you've

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<v Speaker 8>got Angus Taylor and just sent a Nampa Jim for price.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean I presume that that deal must have been

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<v Speaker 8>discussed and worked out sometime in the past. That didn't

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<v Speaker 8>just happen surely after the election result up against Susan Layan.

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<v Speaker 8>Who knows who else might put up their hand to

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<v Speaker 8>become deputy. But it's a job that no one would want.

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<v Speaker 8>I remember Joe Hockey telling me after they lost to

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<v Speaker 8>Kevin Rudd in two thousand and seven. He woke up

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<v Speaker 8>one night in a motel down in gipps Land with

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<v Speaker 8>trucks thundering past the front door. He'd been the treasurer

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<v Speaker 8>a month before now he was in opposition trying to

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<v Speaker 8>drum up votes somewhere down into the tro Valley. He

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<v Speaker 8>said it was the worst time of his life and

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<v Speaker 8>he considered quitting. So, I mean, these people have got

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<v Speaker 8>a very very sad journey over the next few years

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<v Speaker 8>that they're going to have to have.

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<v Speaker 2>Very depressing No question, Joe, what do you think who

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<v Speaker 2>do you think would be the best outcome? I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, we've been talking for days, I suppose

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<v Speaker 2>about the reasons against both of them.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think to be honest, it seems absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 7>Whoever wins losers. There is virtually no way, barring some

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<v Speaker 7>kind of miracle or divine intervention, there's no way that

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<v Speaker 7>Libs can come back in three years time from forty

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<v Speaker 7>seats to overtake a government with ninety three seats at

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<v Speaker 7>last times we're talking, I mean, the government currently has

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<v Speaker 7>almost two thirds of House of Representatives.

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<v Speaker 6>It's astonishing.

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<v Speaker 7>So just mathematically, that makes it really hard. Another thing

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<v Speaker 7>that makes it really hard is the fact that Monique

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<v Speaker 7>Ryan just hung on to Coujong by an absolute shoe string.

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<v Speaker 7>Guess who's going to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we're going to get different background.

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<v Speaker 7>There results well, yeah, you can bet your bottom dollar

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<v Speaker 7>that Josh Friedenberg will be contesting in three years time.

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<v Speaker 7>Might not be Cou Youong, might not be Coo Young,

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<v Speaker 7>but that would be the obvious one, a bit of payback,

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<v Speaker 7>bit of revenge.

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<v Speaker 2>And we pull up where those figures sit now. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're looking at Bradfield. We know that in Bradfield

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<v Speaker 2>you sell cap Terran. She's a liberal candidate. She is

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<v Speaker 2>maintaining her lead, but it's something like one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty votes ahead of Nicolette Bowl who's the teal, So

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<v Speaker 2>she might win. A voting is ongoing, so she's not

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<v Speaker 2>declaring victory just yet. And then in Couyong, it does

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<v Speaker 2>look like Minnick Grian has clung on despite pressure in

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<v Speaker 2>recent days from Amelia Hamer. I mean, Steve, I struggle

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<v Speaker 2>to understand how, and you're in Melbourne, expaves to me

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<v Speaker 2>if you can. I struggle to understand how any voter

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<v Speaker 2>could support Minnick Brian because she has objectively been a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Irrespective of which side of politics you support, she's been

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<v Speaker 2>a disaster over the past three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well she has.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, if you live in the seat that she's

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<v Speaker 8>been running for the last three years. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 8>fail to see anything that she's done for the electorate.

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<v Speaker 8>Amelia Haimer ran a really strong campaign. I saw her

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<v Speaker 8>at a hollingbooth a few days out for the election.

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<v Speaker 8>She looked like she hadn't slept for three or four weeks.

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<v Speaker 8>She was a very good candidate. I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 8>if Amelia Hamer ends up going into state politics, and

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<v Speaker 8>I'll probably find her a seat because I mean the

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<v Speaker 8>Libs down here, of course, they've got to try and

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<v Speaker 8>win back from Jacinda Allen. I mean, Victoria is such

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<v Speaker 8>a fascinating case because the Victorian voters are obviously filthy

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<v Speaker 8>on Dan Andrews and Cinda Allen. They hate state labor,

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<v Speaker 8>but they didn't hate state labor enough not to vote

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<v Speaker 8>federal labor.

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<v Speaker 1>So clearly they're just.

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<v Speaker 8>Going to punish the state labor and they're happy to

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<v Speaker 8>have labor in power in Canberra. But Monique Ryan, doctor,

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<v Speaker 8>don't forget doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Your master.

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<v Speaker 9>Years.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the silver lining door put your mask.

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<v Speaker 7>On, which this paves the way for Josh fridenbur to

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<v Speaker 7>come back. Josh Fredenberg based on I'm not sure about that.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to say that he would be Prime ministeris

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<v Speaker 2>leadership content.

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<v Speaker 7>Exactly, and that's what I'm saying, so absolutely. But if

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<v Speaker 7>it was to knock her out of the seat, I

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<v Speaker 7>think I think he does well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he'd always you'd have to say, always one

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<v Speaker 2>day have that ambition? Is it in three years time?

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<v Speaker 1>It's sequel Steve, It's payback Cuyon too, the ultimate revenge.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't need to spend the rest of the night

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<v Speaker 8>with Josh Friedenberg texting me saying, you know, stop knocking

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<v Speaker 8>me off before I put my hand up. But I

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<v Speaker 8>don't think he wants to do it. I certainly probably

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<v Speaker 8>think his family don't want him to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure eventually he'll go back into politics, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's in three years time.

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<v Speaker 7>If it's in your blood, it's in your blood, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he has still has a greater contribution to

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<v Speaker 2>the country.

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<v Speaker 6>I have no doubt.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he's an enormously talented figure. He's obviously a

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<v Speaker 7>future leader. And again talking about the Liberal leadership, I

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<v Speaker 7>have no doubt that Josh Fredenberg will come back in Koyong.

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<v Speaker 7>I have no doubt that he will win barring some

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<v Speaker 7>unfore seen and then he is obviously the next candidate.

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<v Speaker 7>He is one of the very people who can bring

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<v Speaker 7>together both sort of wings of the broad church of

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<v Speaker 7>the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what about Zoey Daniel. She's still refusing to concede

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<v Speaker 2>her seat of Goldstein to Tim Smith. I mean she

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<v Speaker 2>posted on Instagram and there are still ten thousand votes

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<v Speaker 2>to count. Please respect the process and voters until a

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<v Speaker 2>definitive position is clear. I mean she didn't have that

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<v Speaker 2>issue on the night of the election some ten days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Well, I remember the pictures.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean there was the fist pumping and the singing

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<v Speaker 8>and the dancing and neck grind did the same thing, claimed.

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<v Speaker 1>It before it was settled. This is just her, I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>playing with Tim Wilson's head.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, if Tim Wilson puts his hand up tomorrow

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<v Speaker 8>for either a deputy spot or a leader's spot, I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>imagine what would then happen if Zoe Daniel would win

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<v Speaker 8>In three days time.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's called it. Tom Connell's not going to get that wrong.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean it's clearly she's lost, and she's filthy about

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<v Speaker 8>it and doesn't want to admit it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting, of course how this will play out

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<v Speaker 2>in the leadership contest tomorrow, you know which, because Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson gets a vote. He was even thinking of running

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<v Speaker 2>at one point.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it'd be great now and it could be

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<v Speaker 7>a good opportunity to have someone who's really young.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think he's I don't think he is, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 6>Think he would be.

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<v Speaker 2>He was putting it out there, all right, Steer Price

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<v Speaker 2>Joho raps. Now, the family of US Israeli hostage Eden

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander are counting down the hours until they can see

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty one year old again. Hamas has announced that

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<v Speaker 2>they will release the last American hostage in Gaza. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Eden was kidnapped on October seven, twenty twenty three, five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty three days ago. Now, if we believe Humas,

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<v Speaker 2>he's expected to be released on Tuesday local time, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the same day that Donald Trump will begin

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<v Speaker 2>his tour of the Middle East. The US President has

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<v Speaker 2>praised the move, posting that this was a step, a

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<v Speaker 2>step taken in good faith to to the United States

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<v Speaker 2>and the efforts of the mediators Qatar and Egypt to

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<v Speaker 2>put an end to this very brutal war and return

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<v Speaker 2>all living hostages and remains to their loved ones. So

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<v Speaker 2>that release supposedly being done as a gesture of good

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<v Speaker 2>will after five hundred and eighty three days after the

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<v Speaker 2>terror attacks of October seven, But who can seriously trust

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<v Speaker 2>the word of Hermas or its backets for joining Minowskaanese

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<v Speaker 2>contributor Kosha Gada, Kosha good to see you. Look, there's

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<v Speaker 2>now reportedly pressure for Israel to reach some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>deal with Hamas, and in my view this absolutely cannot happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It needs to eliminate the terror group, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>even Albanizi says this Hamas cannot have a role in

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<v Speaker 2>the future governing of Gaza. So are you concerned with

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<v Speaker 2>how Trump is approaching this ongoing war or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think let's just continue to give him the benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>the doubt and perhaps this is just another negotiating tactic.

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<v Speaker 9>It is very concerning. Sharian Gray Tabitha has always this

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<v Speaker 9>is obviously very great news, even though it's many could

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<v Speaker 9>say it's too little, too late. But for this particular hostage,

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<v Speaker 9>reading Alexander, I can only imagine what he and his

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<v Speaker 9>family or feeling, and that he's being released. I do

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<v Speaker 9>love the framing of it as a gesture of goodwill.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you there.

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<v Speaker 9>It's hard to say those words given the time that's

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<v Speaker 9>elapsed and everything that's happened. But I think just the

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 9>negotiating strategy that the Trump administration is taking. He's going there,

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<v Speaker 9>it's going to be his first trip to the Middle

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<v Speaker 9>East as he's elected. He wants to have it sort

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<v Speaker 9>of be buoyed by a positive theme or thematic around that.

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<v Speaker 9>I think this was part of the negotiation to get

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<v Speaker 9>this hostage released before his trip, So he's using all

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<v Speaker 9>of that to kind of give this veneer, if you will,

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<v Speaker 9>of goodwill and give.

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<v Speaker 2>It a chance.

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<v Speaker 9>But the fundamentals of the issue there, where Israel stands,

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<v Speaker 9>where the US stands, and what hamas hasn't really changed

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<v Speaker 9>even with these small wins. And because of that, I

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<v Speaker 9>just find it a little bit difficult to see how

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<v Speaker 9>the story is going to necessarily shift course. But we

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<v Speaker 9>shall see. The only time will tell.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say. I mean, just sitting here, I

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<v Speaker 2>do feel quite disappointed. I mean, you remember when the

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 2>president was in his election campaign and before he took office,

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and he said, you know, within I can't remember the

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 2>time frame, within forty eight hours or a week or

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever it was. He said, if every hostage is not released,

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 2>there will be hell to pay. That's what he said.

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>He said he will unleash hell. When that never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>The hostages haven't been released, So I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think there's an incredible disappointment here. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to make those threats as president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, well what happens when you don't follow through?

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<v Speaker 2>You lose your authority and your credibility anyway kosher. He's

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<v Speaker 2>meanwhile set to accept a four hundred million dollar US

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred million dollar US Boeing seven four seven gift

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<v Speaker 2>from the Katar royal family, and this jumbo jet may

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>even at least temporarily replace Air Force one. Again, very lavish,

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<v Speaker 2>extremely lavish gift. Should he accept this, you.

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<v Speaker 9>Know, I don't love this one, I have to say.

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<v Speaker 9>And it's a little bit off brand for Trump, because he,

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<v Speaker 9>as an example, is the only president in history who

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<v Speaker 9>hasn't taken the salary that he gets. At something like

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<v Speaker 9>half a million US dollars, it's not a small amount

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 9>of money even for somebody as rich as he is,

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<v Speaker 9>and he does not accept that he donates it to

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 9>different causes just as an example. So this kind of

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 9>feels off brand from that. His whole thing is that

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 9>he's a self funded billionaire and he's not beholden to anybody,

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 9>and he doesn't take donations from anybody, let alone from

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 9>the qataris what they will say. The administration is saying

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<v Speaker 9>in the press. Secretary addressed this earlier today, is it's

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<v Speaker 9>legal within whatever the rules are of accepting gifts. It's

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 9>not going to him personally. It stays with the White House.

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 9>It might be donated to his library later, so on

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 9>and so forth. But it's not a great look. I

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<v Speaker 9>think he's using it to show up the fact that

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<v Speaker 9>the US and Boeing have been very slow to get

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 9>upgrades done on Air Force one. But all of that

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<v Speaker 9>just doesn't make sense, and the idea of Air Force

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<v Speaker 9>one being a Katari plane is something that I don't

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 9>think actually sits very well with even a lot of

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 9>people on his base, to the extent that they're paying attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, on the trade deal with China, there also seems

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>to be negotiations ongoing. US Treasury Secretary Scott Besson has

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that there's going to be a ninety day pause

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<v Speaker 2>on the tariffs. It may be decreased as well. Kosher

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>wears this up to.

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<v Speaker 9>So they've just finished two days of negotiations in Geneva,

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 9>supposedly reportedly they've reached agreement to a term sheet, so

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 9>at least the outlines of a new deal. We don't

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 9>know much more about the specifics. They're going to joint

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 9>press conference tomorrow with senior officials from both the US

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 9>and China where we'll get some more details, or so

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 9>we expect. So I think it's in the right direction.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 9>At least. The rhetoric that's coming out from both China

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 9>and the US seems to be positive that they reach

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 9>some kind of alignment. They're finding common ground. Neither country,

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 9>biggest trading partners in the world want to live in

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 9>a world where there it's one hundred and fifty percent

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 9>plus terrorifts. It doesn't make sense in the long term,

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<v Speaker 9>But it was definitely a negotiating tactic to try and

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 9>recalibrate the trade deficits. And it looks like some headway

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 9>has been made and we should learn more.

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow, all right, and we'll update you on the show tomorrow. Koshagada,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much. Now still to come. A labor insider

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>takes us through the factional warfare engulfing the party just

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>days after their massive win. Karon Milner would join me

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>shortly and he'll let us know what's really going on.

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>But first, Ray Hadley's back on the desk. This time

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>he'll share his take on the liberal leadership. Stay tuned,

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Hadley right here up next, Welcome back now. Ray

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Hadley's usually on a Tuesday night, but this week he's

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>here on Monday, and he joins me right now, Radio Legend.

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Great to see you again.

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 6>Thank you. Great to be here as well. There's plenty

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 6>to talk about it, so much going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who would have thought, I really can't get

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>over this that they just days after their massive win

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and they're fighting over factional spots leaking in the paper

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 2>accusing the deputy Prime minister. I mean, this is a

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>man who travels the world representing the country accusing him

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 2>of being dumb and nasty sociopath.

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<v Speaker 10>Sevet, You've got to be a political historian to understand this.

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<v Speaker 10>If you go back to the nineteen sixties, or wonderful

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 10>journalist called Alan Reid, describe the Labor Party federally as

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 10>thirty six faceless men. Arthur Corwell couldn't select his cabinet,

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 10>and he made the point that thirty six faceless men

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 10>were making decisions that an elected prime minister or opposition

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 10>leader couldn't choose either the cabinet or shadow cabinet. So

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 10>we fast forward to twenty twenty five, there's no different,

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 10>I mean sixty five years ago, and here we are

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 10>still talking about the fact that Anthony Albanezi, with the

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 10>mandate he has got, allegedly couldn't vote for Hughsick and

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 10>Drafish to stay. Now your revelation today tonight that in

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 10>fact he could have well, of course he could have,

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 10>I mean on the wrap on the prime ministra as

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 10>you know.

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<v Speaker 6>But this is an historic win for him.

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 10>It's not a presidential election we've just seen, but it

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 10>is almost presidential in that he's won ninety three seats

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 10>and he did almost single handedly.

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 6>And for him to actually say.

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 10>Oh, the Labor Party policy caucus dictates to me, I mean,

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 10>that's rubbish.

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 6>If he had.

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 10>Any bottle or a very coarse expression I won't use

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 10>in front of a young lady, if he had any bottle.

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 10>He would have just said, listen, factional worry is all

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 10>you like. The right in Victoria, the right here, you know,

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 10>I'm calling them. I'm calling the line here, and the

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 10>line is Husic's days and drayfuds days, Drayfuth his wife

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 10>passed away.

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 6>He wanted to retire, the poor fellow, and they convinced

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 6>him to stay.

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 10>Then they treat him like some sort of offul and

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 10>pass him off to the left.

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's just not right. But the Prime minister's

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 6>shame that he's very weak.

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 10>He's got a mandate, but he relies on this old

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 10>axiom from the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 6>I we've got to stick with what callous and the

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 6>factions say.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 10>People elected the Labor Party to govern with the best

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 10>possible people in that position, and it's not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you remember the shock after Rudd was overthrown

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>by the faceless man. I mean, this was a prime

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>minister that at the time was still popular with the people.

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Landslide when popular with the people, and then it was

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>such a shock for everyone to wake up one day

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and discover that he wasn't the Prime minister anymore. No

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>one knew, you know, who the Marka Bibbs of the

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>world were at the time, who played a hand in

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 2>enrolling Kevin Wright.

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<v Speaker 6>This may come back to haunt the Prime Minister. This

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:36.479
<v Speaker 6>may come back to haunt him.

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 10>He's very lucky that he's got such a vast majority

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 10>over the opposition that will see him win if he

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 10>survived the next three years, and possibly go on to

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 10>have a third term if he wants it. I suspect,

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 10>but I think the factional worry is that he's now

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 10>Cowtawing two might come after him down the track a bit.

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well exactly. I mean, if they have this much power,

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>his own position isn't garant. Let's talk about the Liberal leadership.

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 2>So tomorrow it looks like Angus Taylor Susan lay for

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the leader, but Jacenter Price will put up her hand

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>for deputy Now. Matt Canavan on this show and Thursday

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 2>absolutely laid into her. We're going to play clip in

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 2>a second. But also such a different response from the

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Nationals leader David Little Proud today earlier on with Chris Kenny.

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.439
<v Speaker 2>If we have them, let's play, let's play both Matt

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Canavan and then David Little Proud.

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.919
<v Speaker 3>So I just hope that whatever contribution j just Sinda

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 3>can make in the Liberal Party is a constructive one

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 3>that progresses their cause.

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 6>And if that means she goes.

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>All the way to the top, well then I'm.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>In full support.

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<v Speaker 11>It's like changing teams on the football field after the

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 11>whistle has blown. It's not the sort of behavior I

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 11>think Austrains appreciate, and it's sort of a kind of

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 11>thing that Lydia Thorpe did. How is what your center's

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 11>doing any different from what Lydia did?

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that just a shocking comparison, But I mean,

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>no one we've got Bouten Well yeah for the NATS leadership.

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 10>I mean really comparing her with Lydia Thorpe, it's a

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 10>disgraceful comparison. Given the circumstances, they're supposed to be a coalition,

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 10>and depending on what side of the coalition she's on,

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 10>it doesn't matter. She's still part of the coalition and

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 10>she's part of the Liberal Party now she will be

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 10>the deputy leader and no matter who wins, because they

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 10>both anointed her.

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 6>Susan Lee said.

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 10>Yes, I'd work with her, and so as obviously Angus.

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 10>But I don't think it matter who wins tomorrow, because

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 10>I don't think.

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 6>The whole lead at the next election.

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 10>I think there'll be plenty of jockeying, and you know

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 10>from other younger members of the opposition, not that there's

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 10>a lot of them there at the moment, but I

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 10>don't think either of them will lead to the election

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 10>in three years time anyway.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting with just Enter because you know, clearly

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>there's some anger from the nuts at her defection. But

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>at least David little Prout accepted it because Chris Kenny

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>said to him, Look, the only job she can't do

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>in the National Party is prime minister. She can do

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>every other job, so she must have that ambition if

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 2>she wants to move to the Liberal Party.

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 10>The punters wouldn't give a tinker's cuss she's with as

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 10>long as she's part of the Conservative movement. And you're right,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 10>she's an ambitious woman and I think she could make

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 10>a great prime minister down the track, so obviously she

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 10>wants to be a great prime ministers. She can't do

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 10>it from the national side of politics, not to go

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 10>to the other side. But I mean they are a coalition,

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 10>and I mean for Matt Canevan to say what he

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 10>said in relation to her.

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 6>You know, you talk to the people out there. They've

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 6>lost no respect for her. They still like her. She's

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 6>a very capable woman.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Rather than damaging Jcinta.

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, I'm sure it has.

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, Ray, last week you said that your granddaughter

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Lola was going to have some tests yes to see

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 2>where her cancer levels were up to. Would you mind?

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 10>Well, we've got some wonderful news that I didn't know

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 10>about until after I had appeared with you. For these

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 10>little babies like Lola, who's just three, who have lukemia,

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 10>what they try to do in the first twenty eight

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 10>days followed by the next fifty six is get rid

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 10>of the CMI yourselves out of the bone marrow. When

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 10>she did the first test after twenty eight, there were

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 10>still cancer cells there. So after the next bout of

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 10>chemo therapy, we got the exciting news last Wednesday night

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 10>that the leukemia cells were no longer evident.

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 6>In her bone marrow. Now that doesn't mean she's in

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 6>the clear.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 10>It means that she's now gone tom munotherapy where she

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 10>wears a backpack twenty four to seven, and then she

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 10>goes back on chemo, but it means that the bone

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 10>marrow transplant that may have been if the were still

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.800
<v Speaker 10>Lukemiaselves there is now no longer going to happen. And

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 10>the family's ecstatic because my poor daughter and son in

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 10>Laura have had no victories for the last six months.

0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 10>This is a victory and we hope and pray that

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 10>she can continues with the progress she's made over the

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 10>past couple of months.

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's by far the hardest son lowless parents,

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 2>and it's been really tough on you as well, Ray,

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, your life has been has revolved around Lola

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>and visiting the hospital and her house.

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 6>Well, look, I'm a minor player in all of this.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 10>I think Matt grand dad should understand that the female

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 10>side of the family play much more important part with

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 10>little grand daughters.

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 6>And all I can do is off of my support

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 6>to my daughter, my son in law and the rest

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 6>of the family. And that's what I try to do.

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 10>And I'm lucky that I'm not working full time that

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 10>I can actually do that because I was still doing

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 10>my program that I've done for the last thirty years

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 10>between nine and twelve. It means three thirty starts, and

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 10>it means long days, and it means that perhaps I

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 10>can't be doing the things that I'm now doing for

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:40.800
<v Speaker 10>the family.

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And you want to share with our viewers tonight how

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Lola celebrated.

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 6>This was just after she came home from hospital. The

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.720
<v Speaker 6>little girl that cuddles her little sister, Remy.

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 10>She's got two sisters, Avy who's seven, and Remy, who's

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 10>about eighteen months old.

0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>So let's have a look now at Lola and her

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 2>eighteen month old sister Remy.

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah, mummy.

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 10>Look she wanted mummy to see a cuddling a bigger system.

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, no, we all had a tear in our

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 6>and we saw that originally.

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 10>But look, there are many other children, many other families

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 10>that said last week battling this dreadful disease and the

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 10>work of the Sydney Children's Hospital Network and John Hunter

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 10>and all the other hospitals across Australia are doing a

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 10>wonderful job to try and alleviate the pain and suffering

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 10>for these little ones.

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>All right, Ray, thank you so much. We'll see you

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.359
<v Speaker 2>next week Monday, Monday night.

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:49.120
<v Speaker 6>Is that alright with you?

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's fine with me. I'm here every night, so

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>whichever night works best for you.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 10>No, Monday is fantastic Monday night next week?

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 6>Okay, thank you, thanks.

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Right coming up after the break, the new Pope holds

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 2>his first event with the press. So Fhi Ellsworth was

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.879
<v Speaker 2>there and she'll join me live from the Vatican shortly plus,

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Labor embroiled in factional warfare? Will hear from Cameron Milner next? Well,

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 2>let's return to Labour's factional warfare. No one better place

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to speak about it than labor former State secretary and

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Bill Shorton's former chief of staff, Cameron Milner. Cameron, great

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to see you again. Look, I understand that Albanize personally

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 2>wanted Ed Husick gone, and Richard Miles is the fall guy. Look,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 2>alban easy has form doing things like this, doesn't he?

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 3>He does, And he certainly did that in twenty twenty

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 3>two when he threatened both Tania Pleversek and Bill Shorten

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 3>with losing their spots and tried to make machinations and

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 3>manevings to get rid of both of them, because he's

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 3>such so pressured by that by their presence in the cabinet. Still,

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 3>but look who benefits the person of benefits from ed

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.919
<v Speaker 3>Husick losing industry and science. Is the very person who's

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 3>replaced ed Husick, which is Tim is Tim is the

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 3>viewers probably, I don't know. He's a talentless hack, a

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 3>talentless hack who's only claim to fame is his Albow's

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 3>best mate for the New South Wales hard Left, and

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 3>he suddenly has ed Husick's portfolio, and suddenly the Left

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 3>have control of cabinet now as well. So Albo's happy

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 3>days best mate takes Ed's job after getting miles to

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 3>the dirty work, and now also he has absolute carte

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 3>blonde control of the cabinet with a full left agenda

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 3>to roll out.

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 2>So the ministry positions are equal between the labor right

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and the labor left. Is that right? But then in

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 2>cabinet there are more factional left. So if that's the case,

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 2>how does this play out in.

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Terms of policy, Well, it means there's no there's no

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 3>safety net for voters any longer. I mean, you know,

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 3>you could have relied on the labor right to be

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 3>sensible and centrist and get rid of the worst excesses

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 3>of the left.

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.439
<v Speaker 1>That's all gone. The safety has now gone.

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Albow stands ahead of the left with Penny Wong and

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 3>other crazies who want to implement a whole range of

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.280
<v Speaker 3>policies that voter's never voted for. But not Let's not forget,

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 3>of course that Penny Wong did put voice Truth and

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Treaty firmly on the agenda before polling day in a

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 3>deliberate act to get that up in this term of office.

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:09.359
<v Speaker 3>But there's a whole of other left policies as well

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 3>that voters didn't vote for. The Labor right would normally

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 3>say no to, but now lost that power to say

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.280
<v Speaker 3>no on behalf of the Australian voters.

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Can you talk us through some of the other you

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>know what you and I would call radical policy areas

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:27.240
<v Speaker 2>that you suspect could now be on Labour's agenda given

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the Left do have the control of cabinet.

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:35.280
<v Speaker 3>You only have to look at what Labor state conferences

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.800
<v Speaker 3>and national conferences been passing get to see where the

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Labour Left.

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 6>Want to go.

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 3>They want blokes running around in women's sport. They want

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 3>sex trained drugs handed to twelve year old children without

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 3>parental consent. They want to recognize the state of Palestine,

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 3>but with Hamas having a role to play. I mean,

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 3>these are crazy policies from the hard left, and they're

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>the sorts of things that voters weren't exposed to but

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 3>will be with this massive majority of the Elbow and

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.399
<v Speaker 3>the Left now have and the fact that no one

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.399
<v Speaker 3>can stop them, not least of course the Senate either

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 3>where their comrades and the Greens or even further the

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 3>left will be egging them on for tax policies like

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 3>negative gearing changes, this unrealized capital gains tax on SOUPA,

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 3>whole range of other things about family trusts will be

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 3>on the agenda as well. No, we're about to see

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 3>radical lurch the left, and the only thing stopping it

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 3>is lazy Elbow. Albow might just be too much into

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 3>the large es and traveling the world and Toto won

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 3>again to actually be oversee some of this gender. But

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.879
<v Speaker 3>if not, voters are going to get a radical left

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 3>agenda that they're never voted for in the last election.

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's interesting because we're all talking about the

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>size of Labour's win, and you know, when you get

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 2>over ninety sets, no question, massive loudslide. But you know

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:50.280
<v Speaker 2>you've written before that this is a statistical anomaly because

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Labour's primary is so low, and for people at home,

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 2>when I talk about Labour's primary, that's the number of

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>people that actually put one on the ballot, the ballot

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 2>box when they're voting for Labor, and that's somewhere around

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the thirty four potentially thirty five percent.

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Cameron, Yeah, sixty five, two thirds of Australian did not

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 3>vote for Albot, and yet his government looks like he's

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 3>got a massive majority. That's actually built on statistical numbers,

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 3>not the primary vote.

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that comes down to preferences and also it's

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously a result of the fact that the coalition or

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the Liberal vote crashed, so you know, preferences all went

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>to Labor and they're now sitting on ninety plus seats

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and they think they've got a massive mandate and we

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>will just have to Time will tell whether they do

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>go down this radical left path that you are saying

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you suspect they will. And you've been in there, you're

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 2>an insider, all right, Cameron, really appreciate your time. I

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 2>don't go anywhere strange. First press event from the new Pope,

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>no questions from journalists. Sophie Elsworth will tell us what

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the new Pope said after this break, well, Pope Leo

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 2>the fourteenth has fronted media the first time, meeting with

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>more than six thousand journalists at the Vatican, where he

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 2>talked about his concern for the future of AI. Here

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>was Sky News UK's translation, Intelligence consumer.

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 12>I'm thinking in particular of artificial intelligence with its potential edition.

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 12>Nevertheless requires responsibility, they learned in order to ensure that

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 12>it can be so that it can responsibility.

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.319
<v Speaker 2>And let's cross live to Vatican City now when News

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 2>cop Europe correspondent Sophie Elsworth joins me Selfie, tell us

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>what else he said at.

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 13>This precedent, Sarry, this was just remarkable to be in

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 13>this massive hall just beside Sir Peter's Basilica, where the

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 13>Pope addressed thousands of people. There were hundreds of cameramen,

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 13>thousands of journalists and it wasn't a normal press conference.

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 13>He sat up the front, given a round of applause

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 13>when he arrived. There were no questions, but he gave

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 13>an eleven minute address. He asked the media to be

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 13>really careful in their reporting, think carefully on what words

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 13>they use, don't encourage a war of words, choose their

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 13>language carefully. This was sort of his underlying message to

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 13>the media. He thanked them very much for their coverage

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 13>of recent events, including the death of Pope Francis, the

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 13>funeral and the subsequent conclave, but a very strong.

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Message that he wants unity within the media and cherry.

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 13>I've got to say I was quite blown away to

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 13>see a lot of the media here, who you think

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 13>would be incredibly objective, are standing up and giving him

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 13>a standing ovation. This was not a normal type of

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 13>press conference. I asked some vaticanisters who report on the

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.879
<v Speaker 13>Vatican full time, and they said, you won't see this again.

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 2>This is incredibly rare.

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 13>They do it when the Pope is announced and not again.

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 13>So he was a very interesting to be there in

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 13>the room, but not really a press conference because he

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 13>didn't have to answer any questions.

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and in fact no questions allowed. Now we are

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>hearing that there are some controversies, at least in the media.

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is what the Pope was referring to. Don't

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 2>report on them, but there have been some controversies already

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 2>emerging about this new Pope. Took us through them. Well,

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 2>they have shari.

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 13>A lot of this is in the English speaking press

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 13>that during his tenure when he was in Chicago, that

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 13>he didn't handle sexual abuse allegations involving other priests correctly.

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 13>And there's claims that this is something that is a

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.800
<v Speaker 13>black mark on his name, and there was a complaint

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 13>written to the Vatican about this. Now there's been other

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 13>reporting as a result of this saying that this is

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 13>not the case and it's an activist group with an

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 13>agenda here. So this has obviously dominated a lot of

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 13>the English speaking press, but difficult to find in some

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 13>of the Italian newspapers when I'm looking at them translating

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 13>what they're saying.

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 13>There is a massive arm of media here that are

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<v Speaker 13>very pro Vatican, very much pushing out the narratives that

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<v Speaker 13>he wants. This is a massive eventual being here's Charry

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<v Speaker 13>with such a huge media contingency, and they will a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of them be back here for the inauguration on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Sophy Alswa, thank you as always for your

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<v Speaker 2>updates from Vatican City. All right, I won't be here

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night. I will be back Wednesday, so tune in

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday well, and tune in tomorrow night as well. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just won't be here. I hope all of the

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<v Speaker 2>moms out there had a beautiful Mother's Day yesterday. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you were spoiled as I was by my two

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful children and my husband. I'll see you on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Paul Murray.