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Speaker 1: Is it not enough numbers of government saying well, growing

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Speaker 2: Well, good morning Matthew. And I think we spoke about

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Speaker 1: Frank, last time we had national service, there were huge

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Speaker 2: No, you wouldn't, because there are many countries overseas that

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Speaker 1: So that's the British PM Rishi Sunek on exactly what

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Speaker 2: Well, that'd be a huge one, you'd imagine.

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Speaker 5: I don't necessarily disagree or agree with the conscription and

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Speaker 5: the governments should start having colleges set up to art

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Speaker 6: sure where Frank's getting off on this business of buddy

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Speaker 1: The army, or no, he doesn't want to import them.

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Speaker 1: The federal government wants to allow people to serve in

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Speaker 6: That though it's already happening. It's been happening for years.

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Speaker 6: As long as you're well qualified as this young German man,

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Speaker 4: Regarding what I thank was saying that bringing in national

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Speaker 4: this country is so much about equality, apps generation, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: sexual equality, which means, of course you would actually be

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Speaker 4: conscripting women as well. Yeah, that's would be interesting to

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Speaker 6: I doubt it, but people.

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Speaker 4: For the last fifty years haven't been up the National

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Speaker 4: You're just picking on the eighty in your eyes, because

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Speaker 4: a person thirty five, okay, that'd be perfect for it.

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Speaker 1: Bring some life skills you reckon, well, they'd.

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Speaker 4: Be physically and mentally right. So no, it's more prepared

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Speaker 4: forty or something like that. Physically did because it seems

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Speaker 4: really strange, you know that you're just going to pick

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Speaker 4: on one a lot of people and an eighteen year

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Speaker 1: All right, give them a gun eighteen. Good on you, Ellen,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Huet your port adelaide, Hi Huey.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Two things here is that all the walls go

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Speaker 7: on the moment there's a wake up call towards watching media, TV,

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Speaker 7: et cetera. To the defense all these nations. Let's go

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Speaker 7: about Ukraine and Russialy got the peal style with the

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Speaker 7: Israel et cetera, and the build up around the child

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Speaker 7: with tile, et cetera. But let's be something more. I'll

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Speaker 7: still a wake up call. But back in the early days,

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Speaker 7: out the ball system to identify yourself if your marble

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Speaker 7: come out, as we speak back of Vietnam days, there's

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Speaker 7: a couple of more cousins, mate, we're called up. But

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Speaker 7: here we're in a situation there we do need the people,

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Speaker 7: but we're talking about over full Jews, and those aren't

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Speaker 7: doing themselves by behaving themselves on and up the street

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Speaker 7: in the system of violence, etc. Maybe the young ones

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Speaker 7: won't be interred to for here to go to jail.

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Speaker 7: We'll join the forces and street chords of color too.

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Speaker 1: All right, there we go. How about that? Well, we

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Speaker 1: are building creating more beds in our jails in this budget,

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Speaker 1: I understand. So there's hope there, Huey. But anyway, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the call. Somebody off there rang and

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Speaker 1: asked and said, well, if we're going to recruit from overseas,

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Speaker 1: why is it so important that we build the subs

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Speaker 1: in Australia. Well, that's a very good question, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Look we're going to skill up, there is that, and

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Speaker 1: those skills will serve us well into the future. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very valid question as well. If

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Speaker 1: we're recruiting from overseas, or why don't we just get

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Speaker 1: the subs off the shelf from overseas as we're getting

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Speaker 1: the first two or three or have them any It

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Speaker 1: is it ends up being from the US in any case,