WEBVTT - Is Trump’s ‘Board of Peace’ a power grab? 

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has invited Australia to join his new Board

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<v Speaker 1>of Peace, a Trump led body he says will help

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<v Speaker 1>bring peace. The guards of a new.

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<v Speaker 2>International oversight body, the Board of Peace. We call it

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<v Speaker 2>the Board of Peace. Sort of a beautiful name, the

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<v Speaker 2>Board of Peace.

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<v Speaker 1>But the invitation comes with a warning. Some leaders say

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<v Speaker 1>the Board could undermine the United Nations, and Trump himself

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<v Speaker 1>has suggested it might even replace it.

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<v Speaker 3>You want your Board of Peace to replace the UN?

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<v Speaker 4>Well it, mate?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the UN just hasn't been very helpful. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big fan of the UN potential, but it has

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<v Speaker 2>never lived up to US potential.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has spent years attacking the United Nations as ineffective,

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<v Speaker 1>and this term his administration has moved to pull the

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<v Speaker 1>US out of dozens of UN agencies. So is this

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<v Speaker 1>a peace plan or a power play? I'm Daniel James,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to seven AM today you and analyst

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<v Speaker 1>at International Crossis Group Maya Anga on the real agenda

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<v Speaker 1>behind Trump's Board of Pace and whether Astria would be

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<v Speaker 1>wise to join. It's Friday, January twenty three. My You've

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<v Speaker 1>been wading the chatter for Donald Trump's so called Board

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<v Speaker 1>of Pace so tell me about the board and what's

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<v Speaker 1>slided out in this draft document.

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<v Speaker 4>So the Board of Peace was originally authorized by the

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<v Speaker 4>UN Security Council in November, meant to oversee the future

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<v Speaker 4>of the peace process in Gaza. The charter document that

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<v Speaker 4>we have seen sent out to countries with invitations to

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<v Speaker 4>join this week is a much more expansive version of

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<v Speaker 4>what was originally authorized, and I think it's shocked many now.

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<v Speaker 3>The charter is actually quite short for a new type.

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<v Speaker 4>Of international institute or organization, and the thing that is

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<v Speaker 4>clearest is that it is meant to formalize and institutionalize

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump's power as kind of the chairman or head

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<v Speaker 4>of a new organization. It's not the United States, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not set to a particular term, but instead he has

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<v Speaker 4>the power to be chairman of this for life.

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<v Speaker 2>The leaders of the Arab world and Israel and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>involved asked me to do this, so it would be

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<v Speaker 2>headed by a gentleman known as President Donald J. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States. It's what I want.

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<v Speaker 4>Is Something important to note is though even though the

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<v Speaker 4>Board of Pieces authorization has to do with Gaza, the

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<v Speaker 4>charter itself doesn't mention it. It explains the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>it is meant to be a new institution to solve

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<v Speaker 4>threats essentially to international peace and security. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>there's still a big question for many as to why

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<v Speaker 4>this has come now. You know, Trump has critiqued international

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<v Speaker 4>organizations like the UN Security Council, the primary body that

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<v Speaker 4>deals with in our national peace and security, for being

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<v Speaker 4>unable to really step up in the face of major conflicts.

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<v Speaker 3>And we have seen that it's a fair critique across.

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<v Speaker 4>The board, from Gaza to Ukraine to Sudan that the

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<v Speaker 4>politics of the Council has meant that the legitimacy of

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<v Speaker 4>it as a you know, effective body has really reduced.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think many are still unsure about the actual aims,

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<v Speaker 4>how expansive this is. We have a kind of Gaza

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<v Speaker 4>board which goes under the broader board. Is this going

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<v Speaker 4>to be replicated against other contexts? You know, there's much

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<v Speaker 4>to still be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was this Trump trying to actually replace the

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<v Speaker 1>U in itself because it IDs much Lucky said let's

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<v Speaker 1>lock a Gaza specific organization and we'll lock a fanning

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<v Speaker 1>chatter of a new international body. Is that what he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do?

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<v Speaker 4>He so US officials have said that he is not

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<v Speaker 4>trying to replace the UN Security Council, but this is

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<v Speaker 4>not an alternative, but something that will act in parallel.

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<v Speaker 3>When he's talked.

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<v Speaker 4>About it, he has been clear to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the UN is not effective and therefore we need bodies

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<v Speaker 4>like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish the United Nations could do more. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't need a Board of Peace, but the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, with all the wars I settled, the

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations never helped me on one war.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>The Board of Peace itself, though, is only even if

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<v Speaker 4>it replicated the work of the Security Council, it's only

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<v Speaker 4>one very small part of the broader UN system. The

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<v Speaker 4>Security Council deploys over sixty thousand peacekeepers. It oversees fourteen

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<v Speaker 4>different sanctions regimes. You know, It rits and helps to

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<v Speaker 4>delegate mandates for humanitarian operations which help provide for millions

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<v Speaker 4>of people around the globe, and it has an immense

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<v Speaker 4>amount of resourcing even if the organization is in financial crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now, the Board of Peace, as it is laid out,

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<v Speaker 4>while it seeks to bring world leaders together to have

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<v Speaker 4>dialogue with President Trump, having the ultimate veto, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>really outline how it would replace many of these critical functions.

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<v Speaker 1>Tchamp has sent a copy of the draft chad Or

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<v Speaker 1>alongside a letter of invitation to about sixty countries. Who

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<v Speaker 1>has he invaded and what is the response.

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<v Speaker 4>Largely being so, it's a mix of countries that he's invited.

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<v Speaker 4>Some are his close friends, such as Argentinian President Malay

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<v Speaker 4>and Hungarian President Orbon. Others are traditional American allies, from

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<v Speaker 4>the French to the Canadians to the Norwegians, and others

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<v Speaker 4>are you know, the great powers that we see in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. Vladimir Putin, Shu Jingping each received invitations.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the reception has been varied.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll say to the least, you have some countries who

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<v Speaker 4>have enthusiastically joined on board. Those are Trump's friends like Hungary, Argentina, Kazakhstan.

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<v Speaker 4>You have others who have more cautiously signed on while

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<v Speaker 4>still trying to reaffirm the principles that were authorized under

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<v Speaker 4>for the continuation of the peace process in Gaza. The

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<v Speaker 4>Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Katsar Ejat and others kind

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<v Speaker 4>of put a joint statement affirming this and then you

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<v Speaker 4>have some like France, like Sweden, who have said, no,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to decline this invitation. This is not under

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<v Speaker 4>the tenets of an international system that we agree with urnning.

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<v Speaker 4>French President Emmanuel Macrone has rejected President Donald Trump's invitation

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<v Speaker 4>to join.

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<v Speaker 3>A proposed Board of peace overseeing.

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<v Speaker 4>Gaza, citing concerns it could undermine the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'll do is, if they feel like Costo, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>put a two hundred percent tariff for his wines and champagnes.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia has also been invoted. But is it to accept

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<v Speaker 1>this invitation? Just speculating him, Why is it in Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>interest to accept this invitation.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it is in Australia's interest to accept

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<v Speaker 4>the invitation. I think it's in Australia's interests to take

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<v Speaker 4>the approach that, for example, Canada has done, which is

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<v Speaker 4>to not outright turn down the invitation, therefore potentially triggering

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<v Speaker 4>retaliatory tariffs or actions, but instead to set preconditions that

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<v Speaker 4>you know are not actually going to be met. The

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<v Speaker 4>Canadians have set preconditions related to the spending of this

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<v Speaker 4>one billion dollars that Trump has talked about in order

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<v Speaker 4>to gain permanent membership on the Board of Peace, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's unlikely that Trump would accede to these demands, and

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<v Speaker 4>so likely the Canadians are going to be able to say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're not declining, but we're just waiting for

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<v Speaker 4>these changes to be made because all world leaders are

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<v Speaker 4>having to negotiate this balance where this is a deeply

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<v Speaker 4>unfair international board which premises Trump above all else and

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<v Speaker 4>allows him to make decisions to shut down the decisions

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<v Speaker 4>of every other world leader. But at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>he has shown it very clear that he's vindictive when

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<v Speaker 4>leaders don't sign up to what he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>And what is the reaction banged from the UN Maya.

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<v Speaker 4>There has been a lot of quiet concern in the

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<v Speaker 4>hallways of the UN over the past couple of days.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm based here in New York, and it is the

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<v Speaker 4>number one thing that everyone is talking about in the

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<v Speaker 4>UN itself. There is a feeling that this is a

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<v Speaker 4>threat to the very nature of the international order that

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<v Speaker 4>has been set up in the pulse World War era.

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<v Speaker 4>The UN is at a state of crisis as it

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<v Speaker 4>is both a financial and a legitimacy crisis, and it

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<v Speaker 4>is increasingly kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of boxed out of mediation and political efforts.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of this is the UN's fault itself, it has

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<v Speaker 4>shown itself to be a weak actor under the Secretary General.

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<v Speaker 4>But part of it is the fact that other member states,

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<v Speaker 4>including and especially President Trump, have not opened up the

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<v Speaker 4>space for the UN to kind of play that political role.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think there's a lot of concern that this

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<v Speaker 4>is a formalization of a pattern that we've been seeing

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<v Speaker 4>over the past year, and even farther than.

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<v Speaker 1>That, coming up, what happens to Gaza if the Board

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<v Speaker 1>of Pace falls to paces.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has been pitching these as a response to

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<v Speaker 1>UN failure and has been a long vocal critic of

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<v Speaker 1>the UN Security Council. Where does that criticism stand from?

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<v Speaker 4>So, Donald Trump's political and foreign policy approach is that

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<v Speaker 4>these institutions should, more than anything else, fit American interests.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, the United States is the country that pays

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<v Speaker 4>in the most to the institution, and it should run

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<v Speaker 4>in accordance with the way that the United States think

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<v Speaker 4>it should. Now, the way that the Security Council structure

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<v Speaker 4>is set up means that there are five countries with

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<v Speaker 4>permanent vetos.

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<v Speaker 3>The US has one of those, but.

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<v Speaker 4>China, Russia, and the United Kingdom and France also have

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<v Speaker 4>veto power, though France and the UK actually haven't used

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<v Speaker 4>there since nineteen eighty nine, and so the US have

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<v Speaker 4>found themselves frustrated over being unable to pursue some of

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<v Speaker 4>the policies that they see in their interest because of

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<v Speaker 4>the Russian and Chinese use of the vetos. In the

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<v Speaker 4>same way, many members stay critique the Security Council because

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<v Speaker 4>they see it as an unfair institution. The fact that

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<v Speaker 4>the United States has a veto for example, and so

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<v Speaker 4>there's been decades of the majority of countries in the

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<v Speaker 4>world pushing for Security Council reform. But this Board of

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<v Speaker 4>Peace is three, four or five steps back from what

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<v Speaker 4>they're asking for. It's moving in the opposite direction of

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<v Speaker 4>what they've been campaigning.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, the why that the board is drafted at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment does a guy winning way knee fixing the compliants

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<v Speaker 1>of the U and Security Council.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there are different critiques about the Security Council.

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<v Speaker 4>One is a very real critique about its effectiveness. And

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<v Speaker 4>it is true that a body with one unilateral leader

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be more effective about pushing policy through

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<v Speaker 4>than one that is meant to come to agreement among

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen members and must come to agreement among at least

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<v Speaker 4>nine with no veto of the permanent five. But at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, if these decisions are not with the

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<v Speaker 4>entirety of world membership, if not all of the countries

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<v Speaker 4>involved are there, if it doesn't hold the legit miscia

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<v Speaker 4>being based in international law and the charter and tenets

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<v Speaker 4>of the system, then how effective is it actually going

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<v Speaker 4>to be? And on the other big critique of the

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<v Speaker 4>Security Council, which is that it is an unequal institution

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<v Speaker 4>which reinforces existing power dynamics, I mean this is this

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<v Speaker 4>is going even farther down that route, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The spot being initially critical of this body, Benjamin Nittanya,

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<v Speaker 1>who has agreed to join, has significant as that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's something that many of us are watching

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<v Speaker 4>because the fact that the Board of Peace itself does

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<v Speaker 4>not have any Palestinians on its executive board, and you

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<v Speaker 4>haven't seen the State of Palestine being invited to join this,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think many are concerned about the implications that

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<v Speaker 4>that will have. And I do think that Nanna, who

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<v Speaker 4>will absolutely try to leverage his position on the Board

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<v Speaker 4>of Peace to further influence policy on Gaza. But Nenyahu

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<v Speaker 4>has a direct line to Trump anyways, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think being one member on a broader Board of Peace

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<v Speaker 4>is going to increase his leverage more than being able

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<v Speaker 4>to just pick up the phone and call Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>any time of day.

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<v Speaker 1>Male. We are currently saying a huge fragmentation of what

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<v Speaker 1>you could call the old order. What's the logalhood that

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<v Speaker 1>this does actually shape up the be a rival to

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<v Speaker 1>the UN Security Council, or at least on the mind

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<v Speaker 1>it's work moving forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, if this Board of Peace does get

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<v Speaker 4>off the ground, it will be a point of fracture

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<v Speaker 4>for the international system as we understand it. I can't

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<v Speaker 4>imagine a scenario in which you actually have Russia and China,

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<v Speaker 4>these big powers who hold vetos within the Security.

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<v Speaker 3>Council, actually signing up to this.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think if it does get off the ground,

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest likelihood is it just becomes a club of

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's friends and so you have negotiations, you have discussions,

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<v Speaker 4>but more than anything, you have disunity increasingly in the system.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the Security Council has many issues, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>one of the first to critique it, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>my job. But it is the place where all countries

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<v Speaker 4>can come together to discuss issues across a table. And

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<v Speaker 4>when you have a further fracturing of that system, when

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<v Speaker 4>you move people away from that ability for dialogue and cooperation,

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<v Speaker 4>it is only going to make compromise and diplomacy more difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, Maya, what does this mean for placing Gaza.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is a big question mark because when

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<v Speaker 4>we originally had envisioned the Board of Peace, it was

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<v Speaker 4>meant to help to solve, you know, moving forward the

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<v Speaker 4>peace process in Gaza. But if the Board of Peace

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<v Speaker 4>fails to get off the ground, it could also have

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<v Speaker 4>reciprocal implications.

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<v Speaker 3>On the peace process in Gaza as well.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if the Board of Peace falls apart at

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<v Speaker 4>the executive level, do the technical committees fall apart, does

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<v Speaker 4>the executive board for Gaza fall apart?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are we at?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we going to see an increase in Israeli attacks.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a really big concern and I think for those

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<v Speaker 4>following the conflict quite closely, there is actually a feeling

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<v Speaker 4>that there needs to be an in this Board of

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<v Speaker 4>Peace to allow the further process to move forward. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's why you saw all of these let Arab leaders

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<v Speaker 4>sign on to.

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<v Speaker 1>It Riya, thank you so much for speaking with us,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me. Also in the news, the coalition

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<v Speaker 1>has officially split, with National's leader David little Proud declaring

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<v Speaker 1>the partnership untenable after a mass resignation from the shadow

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<v Speaker 1>front bench. Liberal leader Susan Lee is under growing pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>with some in the Liberal Party suggesting her leadership may

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<v Speaker 1>not survive the fallout in wake of hate speech legislation

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<v Speaker 1>passing through both houses of Parliament in response to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bondi attack. We will have a full recap of the

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<v Speaker 1>week in Parliament tomorrow with Amyymikus. And A fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old boy has been arrested after allegedly young's threats and

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic abuse at a group of students in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Police say the boy was in a vehicle that nearly

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<v Speaker 1>struck one of the students as it ran a red light.

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<v Speaker 1>The arrested team is also being questioned over other offenses,

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<v Speaker 1>including aggravated burglary and vehicle theft. A second suspect is

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<v Speaker 1>also being sought. I'm Daniel James. You've been listening to

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<v Speaker 1>seven AM. We'll be back tomorrow.