WEBVTT - Sharri | 24 March 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.600 Live on Sky News This is. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.840 Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.320 Tonight's secret recordings have caught nine Star reporter Nick McKenzie 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.880 on tape claiming he engaged in unethical behavior during their 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.040 famous war crimes case. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.600 Breaking us on his leadershiptu in perspected you. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.200 Those shocking revelations. In a moment also tonight, TLMP Minick 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.960 Ryan apologizes after her husband tears down a liberal poster. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:39.240 So much for a returning integrity to politics. Plus shame 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.040 on Victorian police as they seek to gag a pro 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:47.479 Israel advocate campaigning against anti Semitism. And we'll look at 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.920 which states are swinging in Dutton's favor with new polling 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.120 on the show That's tonight. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.680 It's all coming up. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.520 But first, it was called the defamation case of the century, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.520 in which Ben Robertson went from a decorated VC winner 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.520 and national hero to a disgraced war criminal. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.520 Today he is a day of justice. It's a day 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.800 of justice for those brave men of the Sas who 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.840 stood up and told the truth about who Ben Robert 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.479 Smith is. A war criminal, a bully and a liar. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:21.399 It's a verdict. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.960 The Afghan veteran is appealing but now secret audio recordings 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.720 have come to light, which casts doubt on the ethics 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.200 and even the legal process of part of the case 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:34.840 built against him. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.640 No, I shouldn't tell you, I've just preached my ethics 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.040 in doing that. This is where like this is really 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:40.920 position now. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.120 An explosive recording has caught nine Star reporter Nick Mackenzie 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.960 claiming he'd engaged in unethical behavior during their famous war 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.880 crime case by obtaining part of ben Robert Smith's legal 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.400 strategy from his ex wife and her friend. In the 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.960 secret recording that we've obtained, Mackenzie says knowing Robert Smith's 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:09.680 legal strategy had been helpful in Nine's case. He also 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.200 freely says that Robert Smith's ex wife, Emma Roberts, and 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:18.880 her friend Danniel Scott had been actively briefing us on 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.720 his legal strategy in respect to a witness. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.639 Briefing us on his legal shifty and respected you. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:33.639 And in devastating comments from Nine's most celebrated journalist, Mackenzie 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.120 also confesses this, No. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.440 I shouldn't tell you, I've just preached my ethics and 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.400 doing that like this is where like this is to 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.600 leadership position now if they knew that. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:45.880 And pet you that I can. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.079 And there mackenzie is referring to Minter's Ellison solicitor Dean 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.640 Levetton and Minter's Ellison partner Peter Bartlett, who led the 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.919 defense team for nine in the defamation case brought by 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.880 Robert Smith, the former SAS corporal and Victoria Cross recipient. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.760 Bartlett is the former chair of Minter Ellison and a 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.400 past chair and board member of the International Bar Association. Now, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.280 there's no suggestion that any lawyers involved in the case 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.520 for nine were aware that any privileged information had been 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:26.200 accessed or of other wrongdoing. Now the recording captures a 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.560 conversation in early twenty twenty one between McKenzie and a 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.200 woman he was trying to encourage to cooperate in their 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.600 legal case, where they were defending the defamation suit brought 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:42.840 against them by Australia's highly decorated soldier. In the conversation, 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.680 McKenzie is trying to reassure the potential witness and encourage 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.840 her to give evidence in the trial. 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.640 On behalf of nine. Now, you're about to. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.600 Hear mackenzie speak about Robert Smith's ex wife, Emma Roberts 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:03.040 and her friend Daniel Scott. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.720 Daniel and end try let's say yet again, you work 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.320 for movie, sent a hotel. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:06.880 The meme which. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:09.880 They came actively like. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.920 Breaking us on his legal ship to you and respected 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.080 you like the piece. And yet we're not learning like 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.960 we anticipated most of it. One or two things now 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.400 we know, which is helpful. But at the point there 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.600 is I told you that is to. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.320 Say, like, you know, we've got this. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.320 And and they're not hostile to years despite your worst fears, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:32.760 they're not. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.360 So as you heard there, that remark reveals that Mackenzie 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.479 and nine were not previously aware of aspect of Robert 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.960 Smith's legal strategy about a potential witness, which he said 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.200 was helpful to their own legal case. So listen to 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:51.000 that part again. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.279 They came actively like. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.320 Breaking us on his legal ship to you and respected 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.560 you because his And yet we're not learning about we 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.360 anticipated most of it. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.920 One or two things now we know, which is helpful. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.000 But and Mackenzie then goes on in the conversation to 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:15.000 claim that obtaining the details of Robert Smith's legal strategy 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.599 from his ex wife and her friend was a breach 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:19.640 of ethics. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.760 But I've told you that, so many times now as well, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.320 And I had to tell you that extra bit to 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:27.599 sort of prove it in your mind. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.679 No, I shouldn't tell you. I've just breached my ethics 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.520 and doing that like this is where like this has 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.440 to leadership position. Now, if they knew that, and Peter 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.840 knew that I can, I wouldn't tell anyone else. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.560 I haven't told anyone like no one else I'd tell this. 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.320 This is an extraordinary admission from a senior journalist that 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.279 he's breached his ethics, that it's put him in a 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:56.359 difficult position, and that his lawyers would be displeased. During 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.440 the trial, Robert Smith launched separate legal action acu his 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.560 ex wife Emma, of accessing an email account that he 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:09.400 used for confidential legal correspondence. He claimed information that only 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.000 originated in that email account had found its way to 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.880 nine and that it had the potential to contaminate the 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.520 trial will. Robert Smith's lawyers argue the account had been 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:25.640 accessed at least one hundred and one occasions, including by 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.760 Danielle Scott nine In Minter Ellison told the court they 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.520 had no documents to produce in response to subpoenas seeking 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:38.719 material that originated from Emma Roberts, but Emma later admitted 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:43.200 that she had allowed her close friend Danielle to access 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.880 her ex husband's email accounts, but only she said in 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.600 relation to their marriage breakdown. The judge, Justice Robert Bromwich 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.680 said the claims from Robert Smith that his emails were 0:06:54.720 --> 0:07:00.440 accessed amounted to bear possibilities and suspicions and dismissed. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.120 The legal challenge. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.839 But now this shocking audio recording captures McKenzie claiming that 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.040 Emma and her friend Danielle did in fact provide details 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.440 of Robert Smith's legal strategy in relation to a witness, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.760 and it raises questions about whether other legal strategy or 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.960 emails were also provided. I asked Emma Roberts a series 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.080 of questions, including whether she had organized or agreed for 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.400 Danielle to assist McKenzie and pass on information contained in 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.920 emails to him. Now, her lawyer said, our client thanks 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:41.320 you for the opportunity to comment, but so declients. This 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:46.200 recording will rock the legal fraternity media circles and could 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.840 have ramifications for the outcome of one of Australia's most 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:54.960 expensive cases in court proceedings. Both sides are able to 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.240 subpoena a wide range of documents, with the exception of 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.120 legal advice and strategy. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.400 This is privileged information. Now. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.920 I asked a senior experienced solicitor about the impact of 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.840 the revelations contained in this audio, and he said it 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.520 could have the potential to blow open the proceedings and 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.480 call into question not only the entire case, but the 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.720 evidence under oath of several important witnesses. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:25.800 He said, if. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.360 Nick mackenzie was being given Ben Robert Smith's confidential legal 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.200 advice that had been secretly taken from his emails and 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.120 using it to his advantage in the trial, that is 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:40.679 straight out cheating. We cannot now know how far that 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.680 poison may have spread throughout the proceedings. The solicitor said 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.280 that the case turned on the credibility of witnesses and 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:54.000 in his view, there are credit findings. He said, reading 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.559 the judgment, it is clear that there are credit findings 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.640 throughout that could be impacted by this new material. The 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.120 judgment must now be scrutinized in light of this information. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:06.640 Now. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.240 Aside from the court case, this also caused into question 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.239 the journalism practices at nine, including the protection of sources 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:20.600 and the handling of sensitive information about police investigations, because 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.320 in the audio, Mackenzie can also be heard sharing details 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.760 about an undercover police investigation that he claimed was both 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.560 active and current. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.760 No one knows about the police investigation. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.600 It's intensively if on going place investigation Bone Tabs task Force, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:39.359 a whole new task. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.280 Force has released the Love in Brisbane, the entire new 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:41.920 task force. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.280 There's police living in his apartment block under resumed identities 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.319 as we speak by the. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:56.000 Guides, Mackenzie could have jeopardized as sensitive police investigation, including 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.760 the safety of undercover officers, by speaking about it to 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:05.120 this unrelated witness and even extraordinarily revealing the existence of 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.080 phone taps. Now, Mackenzie didn't respond to a series of 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.719 specific questions, including. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.000 What he meant by breaching his own ethics. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.480 Instead, the Nine Network defended their legal strategy and their journalism, 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.800 with a Nine spokesperson saying, having reviewed the audio clip 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.640 with support from external council, we can confirm there is 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:31.559 no breach of legal privilege or ethical concerns. Nine has 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.520 full confidence in the reporting and actions of Nick Mackenzie, 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.120 an award winning reporter who enjoys the respect and admiration 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:43.200 of his editors and colleagues in the newsroom, MINTA. Ellison 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.360 didn't provide a separate response to our questions. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.200 Now, Robert Smith has never been charged by police. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.520 He sued nine over the twenty eighteen allegations that he 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:58.160 committed war crimes during his deployments in Afghanistan. The court 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.719 found in Nine's favor, holding that their imputations were substantially 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.520 true that Robert Smith was complicit in the unlawful killings 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:12.600 of four unarmed Afghan prisoners. He's now appealing the defamation judgment, 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.920 with a decision set to be released imminently. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:17.160 Now. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.200 Mackenzie is renowned for his use of secret recordings in 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.120 his own award winning reports. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.520 In fact, he's made a career out of it. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.600 Here are some examples, and normally we'd never know what 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.320 goes on in the back rooms of Australian politics, but 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.600 we've obtained secret audio and video recordings that catch out 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.080 the real Adam Somyrek. Among the covids of Aali vision 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.600 we've managed to obtain, we can see things like a 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:51.160 notorious Hells Angels gangster. While it's clear business is booming 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.400 for the gangland figure, he's more secretive about how he 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.040 actually operates behind the scenes. This phone recording we've obtained 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.800 provides clue about his tactics. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.120 But now a recording of his own has come back 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.800 to haunt him. Mackenzie's book on the Robert Smith case is. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:14.120 Called Crossing the Line, and there will now be. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.920 Questions about Weather Nine and Mackenzie crossed the line in 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.920 their pursuit of Australia's most famous Afghanistan War veteran. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.880 Now, the Teals claim to support women. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.120 They claimed that they'd bring integrity to politics, and yet 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.560 here was Manique Ryan's husband tearing down a poster of 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:43.280 her political rival, a young female Liberal candidate, Emilia Hamer. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.600 So hang on, mate, what are you doing? I'm taking 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.160 a side out? Yeah, beg you, Perbin, I'm taking the 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.959 side out. What are you doing that for? It's on 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:54.720 public land. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:57.960 I'm not saying who I am, who are you? 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.400 Or you wearing a Teal T shirt. I'll start to 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:01.400 film you. Are you? 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.040 Monik Ryan? 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.440 Supporter of ripping down people's signs? 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:05.679 Are you? 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.400 Is that what you're doing? It belongs to me. Hey, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.959 you can take it off the property, but it belongs 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:11.160 to me. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.960 If it goes back up, It'll be taken down again. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.400 There you go, Monique Ryan, there you go community values. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.040 Now, as you can see that he wouldn't say who 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.320 he was. Well, there was such outrage over this today 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.080 that both Minique Ryan and her husband had to apologize. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.120 Minique Ryan said, I apologize for the removal of the sign. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.320 It should not have happened. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.880 All concerns about signage should be reported to counsel. And 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.040 mister Jordan said that he unreservedly apologizes for removing the sign. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.840 It was a mistake. He said. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.600 He believed the sign was illegally placed, but he should 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.680 have reported his concerns to counsel. Now, the Prime Minister 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.280 was very dismissive of this incident today. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.880 So on a day where we've got a sixteen point 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:01.080 five billion dollar national education announcement, I'm asked about someone's 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:06.080 husband removing a Liberal Party sign on a road somewhere. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.640 That has that what's. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.560 A sign going to call an election? 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.160 Is there any connection whatsoever with anyone in the Labor 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.520 Party with this alleged event, of which I did not know. No, okay, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.480 I think you've it's your question. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.880 He's trivializing the matter. He thinks it's a joke. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.560 Is this how Manique Ryan and her husband should treat 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.480 a woman trying to make her way in politics. Emilia 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.400 Heim is running for the seat of Couyong, Josh Friedenberg's 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.360 old seat. She's a great candidate and she grew up 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.000 with politics. Her great uncle was the Victorian premier, and 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.040 so was her great grandfather, Sir William McPherson, and her 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.760 grandfather was also a senator for Victoria. But she's young 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.880 in age, around thirty one years old, and Minique Bryan 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.440 could do better than to tear down her posters. We're 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.880 joining us now to discuss this. Sky News contributor Joe 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.360 Hildebrand and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.200 Good evening, Welcome to you both. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.800 Great to be Joe, your mate, Albo. He took this 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.640 a bit lightly today, didn't he. I mean, if this 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:16.640 was a female labor candidate who had her posters torn down, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:17.480 he would have reacted. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:18.080 Yeah, that's right. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.680 I think he's just making the point and said, look, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.200 this is between the teals and the liberals. 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.120 It's nothing to do with us. I want to talk about. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.840 Our great big sixteen and a half billion dollar education policy. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.640 But certainly I have absolutely no love for the Teals. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.640 I've always thought that they were nauseatingly holier than thou. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:38.160 They pontificate about wanting and needing more integrity in politics, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.760 but in fact they, as we've seen by this example, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.160 do not display the remotest amount of integrity themselves. We 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.880 know that the Teal contests were among the nastiest of 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.600 the last federal election, and particularly in Monique Ryan's seat 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.760 of Couyong. We know there are people with connections to 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.680 get up who have been involved into your campaigning, and 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:02.160 that they have a particularly nasty reputation when it comes 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.160 to when it comes to the way they run campaigns, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.600 and you can ask the Cole Flint. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:08.560 About that in South Australia. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:13.680 So I've always thought that the Teals were nauseating at 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.120 the best of times. But the fact that you've got 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.640 a Teal, you know, the Alpha Teal, Nick Ryan's husband, 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:27.040 going around like the lone ranger, tearing down opponents' campaign material, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.560 that just strikes me as just the worst possible look. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.480 And no wonder they both just broke every land speed 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.320 record to issue groveling apologies and people should. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:44.000 Know because it was cad on cameras an apology, yes, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.720 not an apology right when he was caught in the act, Holly. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.600 But you know, the Tears campaigned on integrity, they campaigned 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:57.320 on better treatment of women at the Heimlie Rug for example, movement. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.160 Holly, what's your response this, it's ironic. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.120 Well, they were going to do politics differently, weren't they. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.679 They were the bastions of the moral center of the universe. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.280 Yet their true colors are consistently seen. And I mean 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.159 I can just still hear on a Ryan yelling shame 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.479 on you across the chamber when she was standing up 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.800 wearing a mask, you know through COVID, and then the 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.000 footage came out of her at a party without a 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.280 mask around the same time. This is a woman who 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.560 we need to look at what she does, not what 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:36.119 she says. It's disgraceful behavior and for Alban easy to 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.080 brush it off. Though he was in Victoria, so he 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.880 may have made an announcement with Chris fully in the morning, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.399 but clearly the VIP was ready to go because it 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:49.000 was Rob Mitchell, the Member for McEwen, standing behind him 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.920 there in Victoria. So no wonder he was asked about 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.560 this and what you know, he was asked by Victorian 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.720 journalists standing in Victoria and the fact that he dismisses it. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.439 If it was a labor female candidate, we'd have the 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.359 me Too movement in a resurgency tonight. But again it 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.760 happens to a conservative woman, So nothing to see here. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.359 Yeah, yeah, there is definitely a bit of political hypocrisy 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.800 going on. Meanwhile, I want to talk about this shocking 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.439 development in Victoria. I was absolutely appalled to see this. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.720 It's a major infringement on free speech by Victorian police. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.720 Now they're taking action against an online antisemitism campaigner. Her 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:34.320 name's Zara Cooper and they're applying Victorian Police applying for 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.840 personal safety intervention order on behalf of an anti Israel 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.199 activist who you've probably heard of, called Sarah Schwartz. She 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.960 was behind that pro Dutton Jew slide that was so offensive. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.159 She heads up a left wing group that aligns itself 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.760 with the pro Palestinian movement. She's always speaking on the ABC, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.520 even though she doesn't represent the majority of Australian Jews. Now, 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.880 Zara Cooper has been critical of this group's legitimacy as 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.280 the voice of Australian Jews, and she's done so through 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:10.080 her Instagram account. That's called Clammy fraud and she's right. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:15.240 Yet now Victorian police allege that Cooper's online commentary is 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:21.000 severely affecting Sarah Schwartz's mental health. So this is effectively 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.960 a gag order on a pro Israel advocate. It's a 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.240 blatant attack on free speech and its attempt an attempt 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.480 to silence the Jewish community. Now, Zara Cooper has never 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.879 threatened anyone its accounts like hers that are trying to 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.119 make our country a safer place, and yet Victorian police 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:44.240 want to silence her. Joe, this is an outrageous infringement 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:44.959 and free speech. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:46.600 Yeah, I think it is. I was stunned. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.480 I came across this story very late last night and 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.560 I just could not actually below. It was one of 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.960 those things only in Victoria, obviously, where the police seem 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.000 to have become an arm of the political apparatus. It's very, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:03.280 very strange, but it seemed to me absolutely shocking. I 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.480 thought it's a classic example of sort of people on 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.440 the extreme left being cry bullies, where they will essentially 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:14.240 defame an entire community and accuse anyone who's pro Israel 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.679 of being some kind of shill for Peter Dutton, or 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.760 being a puppet for Peter Dutton. And then when someone says, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.119 we'll hang on a minute, you're not representative of the 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:24.359 Jewish community, saying. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.640 How could you now my mental health is being affected 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:27.520 because it chriticized me. 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.840 The only thing that raised even the slightest the only 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:31.920 thing where I said, oh maybe there is something There 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.639 was when there was talk about how the image of 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.840 a rat had been used in relation to Sarah Schwartz, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:39.359 and I thought, all right, well that's a you know, 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.159 we know that the Greens have used the image of 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.439 the octopus to describe the Jewish comunity. That is a 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.480 Nazi trope from the Holocaust, used to dehumanize. And then 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.240 I saw the actual image and it was a gift 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.080 of a nose and a little quite a cute little 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:54.640 rat saying I smell a rat. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:55.040 I E. 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.480 I don't think you're being honest here. So if that 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.520 is the strongest case the police have in order to 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:06.840 take out effective sort of protection racket for for Sarah Schwartz, 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.399 I think maybe they might want to concentrate their efforts 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.080 of there is also a youth crime crisis in Victoria, 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.360 the police might want to direct their attention to where 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.960 people are actually being attacked physically and hurt on the streets, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.720 rather than wasting their resources on an online activist whose. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:23.480 Feelings have been hurt. 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.720 You're one hundred percent right for once, Joe. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.280 For once you get there. 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:32.680 Eventually, Wow, people are in fear in Melbourne, you know, 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.560 worried about this crime wave that's been happening. But I 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.639 want to ask you, Holly, at the same time, on 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:43.200 the weekend, we saw Victorian police remove a Jewish pro 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:48.439 Israel protest and allow the pro Palestinian aggressive protests that 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.560 we're shouting all Zion as a terrorists to continue. So 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.160 I feel really uncomfortable with how Victorian police are handling 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.480 this entire issue. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.040 Look, I'm really surprised to hear Joe though, say that 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.560 he's shocked to hear that the Victorian police are an 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.399 arm of the political wing. If you talk to anyone 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.280 who's been around Victorian politics for a length of time, 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.640 they'll tell you that the Victorian police are very much 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.680 an apparachi of the left wing political class in Victoria. 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:18.920 And you know, I don't think it's just Victoria. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:20.440 I think it's in New South Wales too. 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.399 You know, remember on October ninth we have one person 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.280 in Sydney with an Israeli flag and they were the 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:31.239 person that was moved on. This is absolutely insanity, but 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.760 we see it this left wing bent, anti Semitic bent 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.320 that they would target free speech around anti Semitism. They 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:45.040 target anyone who is pro Israel, that is a Zionist 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:49.959 who supports the release of the hostages whilst protecting I mean, 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:51.800 quite frankly, I'm not even going to say a name. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.280 I'm not going to give it a credibility because it's 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.560 a one woman person claiming to be a counsel who 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:02.320 is trying to represent a far left wing Jewish group 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.159 which is not representative of the Jewish community in Australia. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.560 I bet we wouldn't see her wearing the badge that 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.240 you know, you, I and others wear almost every day 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:16.480 with regards to support for the hostages. So it's pathetic. 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:18.960 And if the Victorian police really have that much time 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.040 on their hand, I can show them some of the 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:25.600