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Speaker 2: Mate and b thanks for having me mate, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And it is that time year. Of course we've got

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Speaker 1: every year and I've got I seem to have a

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Speaker 1: I've got a collection of beanies. You seem to change

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Speaker 2: H F on the front that it mate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a good time because there's been bloody

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Speaker 1: but it's bloody freezing down here. We're getting asked Arctic

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Speaker 2: Mate, it's definitely getting car main. One thing you need

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Speaker 2: to know. These beanies are design. They last ten months,

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Speaker 2: then they start to come apart and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: replace them. So it's good that's the way we do.

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Speaker 1: That's a good marketing strategy.

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Speaker 2: You need a new one, mate, So let's just.

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Speaker 1: Just go back a look because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: How important. And let's just go back a step. How

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, way back, the Calendar family, Matt Calendar was

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Speaker 2: So we connected with the Calendar family, we connected with

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Speaker 2: just from that part it's been an absolute tidal wave

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Speaker 1: It's been amazing, Like it's nearly like you can't afford

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Speaker 1: And I do want to talk about brain cancer if

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Speaker 2: get that out as soon as possible. What's his brain

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Speaker 2: Look, my thoughts spiraled, like I think any persons would,

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Speaker 1: So your football career, I mean, I remember you in Origin.

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Speaker 1: So do you think who's your coach and who coached

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Speaker 2: Absolutely that it was. My whole footy career looked like that.

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Speaker 1: We're playing you guys next week.

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Speaker 1: Well, but how does someone like you deal with things?

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Speaker 2: It's a slog and a lot of people they fail

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Speaker 2: And I could have, probably as a seventeen year old,

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Speaker 2: As an eighteen year old, I played in a Grand

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Speaker 2: Just getting up and showing up. You know, we're sick,

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Speaker 1: It was about not feeling sorry for yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to stop them from sleeping. It's not

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Speaker 2: I've realized that I know in my journey, I'm so lucky,

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Speaker 2: I'm really positive mindset and thinking in on those types

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Speaker 1: So what did that entail?

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Speaker 1: Other origin plan. What a great plan, what a backwell?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do that. You know, good good in

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Speaker 2: like goods not goods. Planning you've got to be great,

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Speaker 2: but you want excellent results. So what could I do

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Speaker 2: What can I do over and above? And it's not

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Speaker 2: How about I train, try and be fitting during this time?

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Speaker 2: So I had a partner, and I think it's important

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Speaker 2: I did that and every afternoon I do that training.

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Speaker 2: We're just one hundred meters runs. We go and do

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Speaker 2: I think it was walk back twenty nice cruisy run

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Speaker 1: How do you physically feel though?

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Speaker 2: Were you maybe felt good? But after I wasn't pretty good?

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Speaker 1: They show it to you.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't shame me, but they keep samples of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So, yeah, they get out as much

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Speaker 1: You know, you didn't see it. I mean I often

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't say it. They just removed as much

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Speaker 2: You're dealing with the brain. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I haven't had too much. I can't. I don't

435
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: like reading anymore, night driving. I'm a little bit slower.

436
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 2: I think that I'm really really good, really and.

437
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: One of the symptoms. So you just woke up with

438
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: headache one day or do you thinking back, do you

439
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: think you had probably a series of things you should

440
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: have clocked about.

441
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just there was a couple of little things,

442
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: like I'd have a vomit a few times when I'd

443
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: had a couple of few beers. I thought what's this

444
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: all about? That in hindsight it might have been a sign.

445
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's mate, But you only really you weren't

446
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 1: getting headaches consistently.

447
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 2: No, just just like I thought, Oh, this is what

448
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: a migraine is. Two day headache, and then from there

449
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: it's flipped and it's all of a sudden it's a tumor.

450
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. And then when you give you the radiotherapy,

451
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean someone told me I got mates have had.

452
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: They told me it's like you're like getting cooked. It burns.

453
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you didn't feel any burn? I had this

454
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: helmet on and just laying there and trying to trying

455
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: to think positive thoughts during that time and getting that

456
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 2: done and then getting out of there. And it's not

457
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: a great feeling, but you're also feeling like you're killing

458
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: the bad It's like a game. Yeah, you can picture

459
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: this light coming in and killing these things. I think

460
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: that was good.

461
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: And do you have to do kima?

462
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was through tablets for six months, so it's

463
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: not too bad, not too invasive.

464
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but were you sick? No, it was too bad.

465
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: I had Yeah, I had a bit of a there

466
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: in the backs there, so I wore a beanie that

467
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: a bit, and that's sort of how beanies and brain

468
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: cancer I brought them together.

469
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you wore to cover off the patch.

470
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought, you know, beanies in brain cancer

471
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: do that. That goes well. So we decided to get

472
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: some local schools to wear their favorite beanie and bring

473
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: a gold coin and the kids love doing it. So

474
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: then we said, let's design our am beanie. So we

475
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: decided to design our am beanie, which I designed myself,

476
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: Like you know what colors? I come up with, red

477
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: and blue. I'm a genius. Sold well in Newcastle and

478
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: no one else wanted to buy them. So I got

479
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: sacked from Beanie Design and we got clever and we

480
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: started to bring design two beanies and make them so

481
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: that even if the foundation doesn't mean much to you,

482
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: other it's a nice beanie. Yeah, no, it's cool and

483
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: other people are wearing them, so I'll get one. Yeah.

484
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: It's sort of like trendy. Trendy, especially when you turn

485
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: the TV on and there's chief, For example, young people go,

486
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind get one of those? Yeah? Could you

487
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: just go? If it wouldn'tnd going make a step though,

488
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: and you're probably under selling it a little bit. But

489
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: the idea to establish a foundation, which is essentially a charity,

490
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: there's a number of steps involved. There's board of directors,

491
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: there's constitution, there's documentation, there's registration with your south I

492
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: was government. Whatever you got to do that you got

493
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: to you want to make a charitable donation, so you

494
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: want to make a tax deductible, so you've got to

495
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: go to the federal government. Maybe you could take me

496
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: through a few of those things that you know, and

497
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: how how Mark Hughes got onto all this sort of

498
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: stuff and how he worked it out. Did you go

499
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: to KPMG or how do you do that sort of stuff?

500
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well my wife careerly drove all that. I was

501
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: focusing on my fight back. But there's so much red tape,

502
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: so many hoops to jump through, totally.

503
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

504
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: So we had some help off HMRI, big Institute in Newcastle,

505
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: they do so much great research there. We got some

506
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: help off them and some advice off them, and we developed,

507
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: we changed, we went in different directions, but we got

508
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: there in the end. But it takes a lot of work. Yeah,

509
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: charity takes a lot.

510
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: On registrations. Yeah, government's approval at so much so right now,

511
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: the income or the money that goes into the charity taxable.

512
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: You're registered in New Southwae I was probably across Australia,

513
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: but definitely in New South Wales to receive money, because

514
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: you can't just set up a charity and just take

515
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: the moneys. You've got to be registered, and you've got

516
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: government whatever the word is. Federal Government Tax Office consented

517
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: that if I make a donation to it, it is

518
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: tax deductible and then there's all the administration goes with it.

519
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: So you obviously had to set up a website and

520
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: somehow allow people to transact that website and or give

521
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: them a receipt for the tax if they want to

522
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: claim it on the tax. Most people don't, but you

523
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's about how much how much

524
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: you have original beanies.

525
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: The original beans? How much were they It might have

526
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: been say fifteen or twenty twenty dollars the first time

527
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: they went on the footage show, the first announcement of

528
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: these beanies. And who was hosting the FOTAE show then

529
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 2: Fatty Stello Chief? Yeah, you know those types of them guys.

530
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: And do you remember saying something to chat and Chief

531
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: or somebody saying can we do this or just that

532
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: comes through the nine connections.

533
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: Why palest was the pretty gunny. He was instrumental gun.

534
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: He was a gun. So it happens, it goes on

535
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: the TV and then we didn't realize the power of

536
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: television at the time. And then it just went off

537
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: and everyone went on our website and then our website busted. Yeah,

538
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: completely blew up the Smimmrans. We couldn't handle it. And

539
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: the first year we didn't have enough beanies. But people

540
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: are ordering beans and we still have. We didn't even

541
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: have the beans. We had to order more in and

542
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: there was six week waits, but no one cared. They

543
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: were doing it in the right spirit. And it's been

544
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: like that ever since.

545
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: So most of pop don't realize that Glen Palace, it

546
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: was the original thought behind the footy show, the style

547
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: of the show, et cetera, and Glendee I think it

548
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: was like a Queensland or something like that. Now he's

549
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: moved out of Telly and we put the whole concept

550
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: together for Channel nine and it was brilliant. Like I mean,

551
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: obviously he's had his day, but it was brilliant at

552
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: the time. It was great entertainment like Thursday night for

553
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: me in those days, I used to go to my farm.

554
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm all in your south house, so I don't drink anymore.

555
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: But Thursday night for me was a bottle of wine

556
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: and the Footae Show and they just laying in bed,

557
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: just drinking the wine. And you know, I drink maybe

558
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: three quarters of it on my own, which is these

559
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: days I think would be ridiculous. But those days I

560
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit. And and the Footag Show was

561
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: great entertainment. And people I saw it on the Footag Show,

562
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: I sooner recall, like this is a memory thing. I

563
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: don't know it was true or not. I soon remember

564
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: them are wearing a hat, I remember. But the person

565
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: I remember most was Chief with a beanie on. Yeah.

566
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: And I thought I thought myself was a great idea.

567
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: And I remembered you at that time from origin, and

568
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: I remember the news, etcetera about your brain cancer. So

569
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: your brain cancer went through the two therapies. Do they

570
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: say at some stage you I look made, it's in

571
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: remission or we can't do anymore. What's the conversation.

572
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: We don't use the word remission in brain cancer, right,

573
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: So I get scans I had a scan yesterday the

574
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: Royal North Shore, so I'm I'm feeling great about everything.

575
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: And what can you are? You later say what the

576
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: result is?

577
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everything's excellent. There's no sign of regrowth for

578
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: the tumor, so there's nothing going any better. You can't

579
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: nothing that you can see. There are there are nasty

580
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: cells that potentially are still in there that we just

581
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: hope they ain't go active again. It's a it's a

582
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 2: bit of a luck of the draw.

583
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: So it's sort of latent. It's sort of just there

584
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: but not active, so to speak, not growing.

585
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: But some people's their scans would show a tumor, but

586
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: it's it's it's staying the same or it's not getting bigger,

587
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: which stable, which is good results as well. So yeah,

588
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a really tough game to

589
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: be in brain cancer. And that's you know, people who

590
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: live and dying by their scans and and what's going

591
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: on in there. And it's you know, people get a

592
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: lot of anxiety going into their scans because you just

593
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: don't know what the next scan is going to show.

594
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm going anxious you're talking about it because I'm thinking

595
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: of myself. You wouldn't know if you've got bloody brain

596
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: cans because it's not like it's not something you can see.

597
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: It's differently you got skin cancer or something, you will

598
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: see it. Or if you've got prostate cancer, your prostrates

599
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: probably blown up and you're not gone to the bathroom

600
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: properly or whatever, and there'd be some other for if

601
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you've got a lung cancer, you probably feel it in

602
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: your lungs when you breathing. The brain cancer just gets

603
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: the point where you don't but it's gone. It's gone

604
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: too far, or it's gone pretty far, and all of

605
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, like you said, you get headaches and it

606
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: starts to affect them whatever it is.

607
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: Have a seizure. Yeah, and then you'll have a scan,

608
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: and then your life will be changed forever. Your family

609
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: will be shattered. It's a yeah, it's you know, because

610
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: you don't want to google brain cancer because there's not

611
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: much good stuff on there.

612
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Did you find yourself doing that now?

613
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: I haven't. I've never googled really, no no purpose. Yeah, yeah,

614
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: Well I've got to focus on my journey and interesting. Yeah,

615
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: and just I just don't want to get negative.

616
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: You don't want to go down the rabbit hole. So, yeah,

617
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's a very interesting technique. Said something they

618
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: advise you to because no doubt they have counseling and

619
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that for you. Do they say this, don't

620
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: attempt this, or stay away from that.

621
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: No, it was just that something from the start. I

622
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: don't want to know much about it. I don't even

623
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: know what the name they give them, all these massive

624
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: long names. Yeah, so I don't know the name of

625
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: my tum up my wife looks after that. I don't

626
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: want to know about too much. I just want to

627
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: know that I'm going to get up each day and

628
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: fight it and fight the best I can for myself

629
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: and then for everyone else out there that's in this battle.

630
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: I need to keep carrying that torch and keep going

631
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: with this. That's the thing. There's not too many advocates

632
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: of brain cancer because the realities are we lose we

633
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: lose them.

634
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: So that the death rate is quite high the worst

635
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, wow.

636
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I see families that diagnosis six months later

637
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: passed away like there's it can be horrific, but it's

638
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: case by case. And I tell people that your tumor

639
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: reads different to mine. And this one say there's a

640
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: little bit of hope.

641
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: So did you just when you say you left it securely,

642
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: does that mean but do you not discuss it? I mean,

643
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: would you get out in the morning and you know,

644
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: like feel as over, Oh, let's have a cup of

645
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: coffee and talk about it? I mean? Or did she

646
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: more more as more interested in just supporting your fight.

647
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, we didn't. We didn't talk too much about it.

648
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: We just we just got back on track and probably

649
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: focused on the foundation. And I think when you do that,

650
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: when you give them back in any way, you're focusing

651
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: on other people. And it was a really good focus.

652
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: So I think our focus changed from exactly what I

653
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: was doing to hey, let's let's fix this big problem.

654
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: Let's let's have a crack at this. And I think

655
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: that we shifted our mindset to fixing the big problem

656
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: and not not focusing too much online.

657
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: And do you think that had something to do with

658
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: the fact that you're was not better, it was not recovered,

659
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: but managing for such a long period of time your

660
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: brain cancer. Do you think it's because of the attitude

661
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: you had, the way you addressed it, the way you

662
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: approached it. Do you think that had something to do

663
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: with your let's call it success, because it is success.

664
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: You're still sitting here.

665
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it doesn't cure it. Don't cure nothing, And

666
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: there'd be people out there that have had the best

667
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: mindset and got torn apart. Now, my my tumor had

668
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: a couple of readings in it that could give favorable

669
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: outcomes and give you a real chance to fight. So

670
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: I was grateful for that reading in that and there

671
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: are there's levels above what I was originally diagnosed with,

672
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: so that helped as well. So the attitude, and that's

673
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: not curing nothing, but it makes a big difference, and

674
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: you really you start living life, you start having holidays,

675
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: you start doing things because you just don't know where

676
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: things are going to end up. So in a strange way,

677
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: and you can talk to lots of cancer people their lives.

678
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Your life can be better after this diagnosis. So it's

679
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: like I like to say to people, now, don't wait

680
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: for the cancer diagnosis or the tragedy. Get living now,

681
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: do good stuff now. Make today count now because we

682
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: don't know what's around the corner.

683
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I have a friend who's suffered on

684
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: a number of occasions for cancer, but not brain cancer,

685
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: but cancer maybe four or five times over his last

686
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: twenty years. And I don't think I know a more

687
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: positive person. And he said to me, the first time

688
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: we got DIOS diagnosed with it was in his thirties.

689
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: He said to me, it changes your attitude towards what's important.

690
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: You reprioritize things all of a sudden, or you prioritize

691
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: things you weren't prioritizing you that you might have been

692
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: taking for granted. What are some of the things that

693
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: you started to put more weight on compared to what

694
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: you were doing before when you just Mark Hugh's footy player,

695
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: hanging out with your mates, not just we don't.

696
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've found a way to have the good

697
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: family holidays. You know, we had young kids, you know,

698
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: go to Fiji, do nice things. Yeah, we really prioritize

699
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: some really great family experiences. We did a nice adults

700
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: only American one as well, so just live.

701
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: And we got one of those ships. It sounds like

702
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: as a porn porn event and adults only currently wiped

703
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: that out.

704
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let's grub that out. But yeah, you know, just

705
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: with another group of friends went over and did that

706
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: and just do some good things. We did. We wanted

707
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: some better stuff in our house. We did our renovation.

708
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's not just about money things. It's

709
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: just you know, family time, going for a walk, having coffees,

710
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: doing nice stuff.

711
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: It's funny, it sounds like because everyone talks about mindfulness,

712
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: but it sounds like you're forced to be mindful of

713
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: every moment and just really enjoy and sort of sit

714
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: on every moment if it's even it's just having a

715
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: cup of coffee, because most of us get struck. I'll

716
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: get your work because I've got to do this and

717
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I've got to get home, want to go to the gym,

718
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: that I've got to go over a dream of mates,

719
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: and like we're just doing all the time and we

720
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: never really sort of sit on something for a moment.

721
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: And of course that's what everyone keeps talking about mindfulness.

722
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining from what you were saying, that you

723
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: would be mindful of just about everything you do. When

724
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: you're about to do, you're really well aware of what's

725
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing.

726
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that hustle and bustle of life that goes

727
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: and for the first twelve months, I couldn't drive, and

728
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: so I grounded at home and it was like you

729
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: know that feeling when COVID hit and everyone was stuck

730
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: at home and all of a sudden everyone thought, oh,

731
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: there's how bad it was. But there was some advantages

732
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: of start stopping and keeping still and just focusing on

733
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: your family.

734
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: Totally, totally. So how much money of you guys raise

735
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: so far?

736
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: So we're about thirty five million.

737
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

738
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot over a million beanies And.

739
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: And what do you put that to work? To do?

740
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: It's the sort of things you got to do. Well.

741
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: We've got the Marcus Foundation Brain Cancer Center at Newcastle.

742
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: Now it's a physical center.

743
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we didn't there, we got given the bill.

744
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: It's not like something we spend money. We didn't want

745
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: to waste any of our money.

746
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: But you occupy it.

747
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: We occupy it. And we have a lot of collaboration.

748
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: We have one hundred researchers connected to our center.

749
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: From the university.

750
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: They're all from around Australia. We have research going on around.

751
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Australia, all cancer related, all.

752
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 2: Brain cancer cancer, i should say. And we had a

753
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: symposium in Melbourne and a couple of years ago and

754
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: all these researchers come up and going, we've never had

755
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: this connection and teamwork. We've all worked on our own,

756
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: but you're connecting people and that rugby league background and teamwork.

757
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: I've said, I need this for brain cancer because we're

758
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: not going to solve this on our own. It's a

759
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: big problem. We need some big minds. We need to

760
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: get together, collaborate, share and be a team. And that's

761
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: what we're doing with the Markeus Foundations.

762
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: Any good outcomes, it's some great.

763
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: Stuff happening and they're really excited about it. And there's

764
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: different areas we're looking at, whether it scanning, whether it

765
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 2: be kids can brain cancer. There's all these different streams

766
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: that we're working through and yeah, we're feeling good about it.

767
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: But it's a big problem.

768
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: And it goes on forever. It goes on for can't stop.

769
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: So we keep working on that. We have our brain

770
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: cancer Cannass is doing a wonderful job throughout regional New

771
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: South Wales. They're like angels. What they do for patients

772
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: and their families is overwhelming. And I just did a

773
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: tour of Tamworth and Port Macquarie and Coffs Harbor and

774
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: spoke to people firsthand at the difference we're making with that,

775
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: so that that's a really big part of what we

776
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: do as well.

777
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: Now you're a volunteer for this, you know it's got it.

778
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: You're not sort of sitting up there as the president

779
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: elect or something that you're a volunteer. I mean, obviously

780
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: these things are on properly as I said earlier, is registered,

781
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: it's probably ordered it, it's got the whole process going on.

782
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: You're a volunteer, so how I mean, it's one thing

783
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: to have the foundation. It's another thing to raise money

784
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: and to have an awareness for a week or two

785
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: weeks in the lead up because which what's the date

786
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: by the way.

787
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: When twenty six the gym's coming up to two? Three weeks?

788
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple we'll get this out probably next week

789
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: beginning next week, and that's okay. There's awareness. You'll probably

790
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: do another cup podcasts that might get you on. They

791
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: don't know Footy show anymore, but John and I might

792
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: do a cross blah blah blah. You do stuff for

793
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: a couple weeks, but then it'll drop off. So what

794
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: does Mark Hughes do to keep pushing the agenda outside

795
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: of that.

796
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we do lots of different things. We've got

797
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: a trek coming up in October where we're going to

798
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: do Kokoda, but we're going to walk across, touch the

799
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: finish line and walk back. Well, yeah, it hasn't been done.

800
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: Did you do the Robber.

801
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: I've done Mount Kilimanjaro, I've done base Camp, Mount Everest. Right, Robot,

802
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 2: what a man. I know. You know he helped set

803
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: this up. And I remember killing Majara. It's the last night.

804
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: It's eleven pm at night. We're in our camp. It's fundering,

805
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: it's pouring down rain, and we've got to do our

806
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: final climb. Robo gets us in its people are sick

807
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: by now we're about four thousand meters above sea level.

808
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: We have to get to five thousand, five hundred that night.

809
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: So we leave at eleven pm. Robot gets us in

810
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: a circle and he gives us this great you know,

811
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: it's game day and on game day you just do it.

812
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: You've got to make it happen. And he done this

813
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: ten minute speech and he had us reven and we spent.

814
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: We left at eleven pm. We got up there at

815
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: nine am the next morning. Well, you spent ten minutes

816
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: at top one photo and then get down because people

817
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: are sick. But every media you're going down, you're starting

818
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: to feel better. But yeah, what an wild experience that was.

819
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: So But if you thought at any stage yourself to

820
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: get out and do like a corporate speech is like

821
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: speaking to they get up there and actually sit in

822
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: front of a quarry bank staff on you because they

823
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: do these things every month, not not for you, but

824
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: they do this sort of stuff. They're booking people all

825
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: the time. Are you doing that sort of.

826
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's my my new passion, and I really

827
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: want to go meet people, make a difference, give my

828
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: message in and around resilience, positive mindset, teamwork. I laugh

829
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: with a key message and yeah, that's what I'm really

830
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: excited about. I know you've done some of that. Do

831
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: you love going in and meet.

832
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: I love talking to people. But if Mark, if someone's

833
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: listening to this now, they say, I would't mind booking

834
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: because we've got an event coming up. We've got our

835
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: like we do with my coming Yell growth, we have

836
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: our events coming every year. How would someone how do

837
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: we get in contact with you? Do you want to

838
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: leave your mobile phone around the bottom of this.

839
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: I've got a Marcus website now dot you yeah, or

840
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: people can just get on the foundation and contact there

841
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: and just say could I could I have Marx details

842
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: of the game. That would be amazing. I just want

843
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: to meet people and yeah, spread the word. And like

844
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: you said, I'm a proud volunteer with the foundation, so

845
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: I get flexible hours, but the hourly rate needs a review.

846
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 2: But no, it's with my heart. And we've got four

847
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: or five team that's it. The rest of is volunteers.

848
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: You know, all this money we raise, it's just into

849
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: the right spot.

850
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: So so much though that what's important about this is

851
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: that people so they are listening. We get a big listener.

852
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: So like, what are the types of things. What's the

853
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: value proposition you'll bring to let's say some corporate or

854
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: some business with fifty or sixty employees? What is it

855
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: your What is it you bring apart from your story?

856
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: What is you going to talk about?

857
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to come in and talk and make people

858
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: realize that in life, things go wrong, but it's about

859
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: fighting back and how we react to those situations. And

860
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: I feel like for me, the resilience and positive mindset

861
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: are being key and there's things like I've brought in

862
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: personal values, because how do I want to show up?

863
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: So I've made myself personal values. And I talk about team,

864
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: I talk about the right the people around you that

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Speaker 2: make you the person you are, surrounding yourself with those

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Speaker 2: right people. I love talking about the power of giving back,

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Speaker 2: controlling our thoughts. My thoughts were going wild nuts. I

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Speaker 2: had to level them up and square them up because

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Speaker 2: I had to be a leader and I had to

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Speaker 2: I had to have strong, clear thoughts and just things

871
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Speaker 2: like movement, fun doing things to keep your yourself in

872
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Speaker 2: a great position. And I like talking about that and

873
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Speaker 2: lots of other stuff with people, and it resonates and

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Speaker 2: I just hope to get the opportunity to do more

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: And I just as you're speaking, I can think of

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Speaker 1: businesses like a business doesn't get brain tom it, but

878
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: a business can have something equivalent to a brain trim

879
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: and something can go really bad and you might think, well,

880
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Speaker 1: that's the end of us. But at the same time,

881
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: you might be able to manage the way through, just

882
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Speaker 1: like you've done in relation to your brain cancer. And

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Speaker 1: it's about I mean, obviously you built a strategy. I

884
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: mean you had a strategy and go, oh, you know,

885
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and bring up Ben Kenny go

886
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: for a run. You thought, now I'm going to get

887
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Speaker 1: this part. We're going to get exercise right. I'm going

888
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: to get my food right, going to get my you know,

889
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Speaker 1: I'm going to form the foundation and give me something

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Speaker 1: to push and run. How do you go about building

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Speaker 1: a strategy like it was your strategic thought process? Did

892
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Speaker 1: you have some mentor or somebody coming to a mate

893
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: they said, sit down and write it all out. I mean,

894
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: what's your process as a footballer.

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Speaker 2: You get injured, you go to physio, you get yourself

896
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Speaker 2: right to play the next week. That's all you're made

897
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Speaker 2: at the very tactical. Yeah, you just workday Saturday to Saturday,

898
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Speaker 2: whatever it was. You just need to get yourself back

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Speaker 2: on the paddy. When I got sick, I had that

900
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Speaker 2: mentality of hey, I've got to get myself back on

901
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Speaker 2: the paddy. I've got a young family, I've got a

902
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Speaker 2: foundation that I'm about to start up. So I needed

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Speaker 2: to be fit and strong, and I think the first

904
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Speaker 2: thing is just simple things like yeah, you're sleep, your nutrition,

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Speaker 2: your exercise, be consistent with those. And then so I

906
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Speaker 2: just started doing that, and I started to build momentum,

907
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Speaker 2: and I couldn't keep thinking about my diagnosis or looking

908
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Speaker 2: too far into the future. I just had to make

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Speaker 2: today count, do the best today, wake up tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: do it again. And I think if we do that,

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Speaker 2: just for a simple, simple way of starting is just

912
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Speaker 2: focusing on the next foot in front of you. I think,

913
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Speaker 2: like we've done these tricks. I do them every year,

914
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Speaker 2: and I remember walking and i remember hearing a stream

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Speaker 2: down there and I'm looking ahead at it and I

916
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Speaker 2: stumbled and fell because I'm not focusing on my next step.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's important.

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Speaker 2: We're all guilty of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as funny as you said, because even I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have had experiences with people for are alcoholics and

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Speaker 1: or drug addicts, and it's not about some massive, big

922
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Speaker 1: plan about just getting through today and tomorrow and being consistent,

923
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Speaker 1: and the thing will solve itself over time, and you

924
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Speaker 1: might even have some setbacks, but you get back on

925
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Speaker 1: the horse and you solve things over time. And so

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Speaker 1: maybe it's probably not that important to beat yourself up with, oh,

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Speaker 1: what's my strategy, and you don't draw it up on

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Speaker 1: whiteboard and start connecting things with arrows and stuff like that, because,

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Speaker 1: as you say, it's just better to get something done

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Speaker 1: each day and be consistent at it and have a

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Speaker 1: good attitude.

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Speaker 2: Step by step, day by day. You just you plan

933
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Speaker 2: your fight back. I've been an underdog my whole life.

934
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Speaker 2: I continue to be an underdog now, but I don't

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Speaker 2: mind that, and I'm ready to take on this disease

936
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Speaker 2: and everything around it. And people need to know that

937
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: things aren't always going to go well, and they're going

938
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Speaker 2: to be the underdog at times. They've got to wiggle

939
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Speaker 2: and fight and scratch and claw each day and build

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Speaker 2: a bit of momentum. Don't look too far ahead. We

941
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Speaker 2: can't change what's happened, and just do what we can today.

942
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Speaker 1: Just scramble, scramble, scramble.

943
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Speaker 2: Full scramble. That's what life's about.

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Speaker 1: Well, Mark, I hope you have a record year this

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Speaker 1: year and what you raise, and thanks very much for

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Speaker 1: everything you do for research when it comes to brain

947
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Speaker 1: cancer and everybody I imploy you to, I'll be doing it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be doing here at the studios. Get yourself one

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Speaker 1: of Mark Hughes's foundations, Beanies. Even if you had last years,

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Speaker 1: but don't wory about it because it's probably going to

951
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Speaker 1: fall apart because they've only designed to last for ten

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Speaker 1: leven months and now's the time to get behind this

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Speaker 1: great course.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, pleasure, Thank you mate, very mate.