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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's the Bloody Project. That's you.

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Speaker 2: It's Patrick who's famous with her, but more on that soon.

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Speaker 2: It's Tiffany and Cuck who isn't but wants to be.

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Speaker 2: She's got leprosy. All that and more coming up in

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Speaker 2: today's episode of The You Project.

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Harper.

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Speaker 2: I'll be your host for the next hour or so,

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Speaker 2: So strap in, kick back, hold on, and just have

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Speaker 2: a great ride.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Ti the right show. I don't think on the

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Speaker 1: right show.

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Speaker 3: We're not on the right track. Hi heart, are you

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Speaker 3: good morning?

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Speaker 2: That was me putting on my pretend FM voice that

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Speaker 2: I never had, because no, that's not true. I was

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Speaker 2: on FM on Grubby and DD for a while, but

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Speaker 2: I definitely didn't have this voice because this is fucking stupid.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless seems to be very popular in the FM

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Speaker 2: kind of space.

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Speaker 1: But all that more coming up. How's your leprosy on

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Speaker 1: your right shoulder?

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till it's healed, because every podcast starts

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Speaker 3: with you telling the world I have a leprosy on

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Speaker 3: my shoulder.

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Speaker 1: It is getting better.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Patrick, don't ask what it is because our audience

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Speaker 2: will hate me.

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Speaker 1: Because she's explained that the last five in a row.

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Speaker 1: She'll tell you later, mate, She'll tell you later. You

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Speaker 1: trained someone this morning, a little one on one with

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Speaker 1: a lady. How did you go?

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Speaker 3: Yep, fabulous, a little bit of pad work to start

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Speaker 3: their Friday? Could you get better than that? Really on Friday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Just punching shit on a Friday morning? Do women?

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Speaker 1: Some women?

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Speaker 2: I know that's a very genuine answer, But do ladies

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Speaker 2: love punching shit as much as or more than we

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? They do. And one of my favorite things is

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Speaker 3: teaching someone to box and having someone realize in that moment,

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Speaker 3: to create force or boundaries or power. It's really cathartic.

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes do a bit of teaching, throw a few punches,

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Speaker 3: and they'll just look up and you'll see they've had

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Speaker 1: Wow, Yes, and it is.

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Speaker 2: I guess when you kind of get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of makes a sound, it's like, oh, yeah, that's actually yep,

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Speaker 2: you fucking hit that.

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Speaker 1: You fucking yeah.

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Speaker 2: You didn't just kind of sadly tap it, like pouring

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Speaker 2: away it, you know, like, ah, but you actually fucking

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Speaker 1: Person who's hitting shit. That's a good feeling, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's the best.

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Speaker 3: It's the best.

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Speaker 1: Patrick.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine you being overly boxery, no disrespect. I

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Speaker 2: may be completely wrong. Have you ever hit the pads?

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Speaker 2: Have you ever hit a heavy bag? Have you ever

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Speaker 2: hit a floor to ceiling?

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Speaker 1: I think I did it Harper's once, you know when

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Speaker 1: you put that boxing ring in. Yeah, yes, I remember, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think I punched around the ring a couple

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Speaker 1: of times. I think also that I've done. Even if

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Speaker 2: Can I just tell you everyone that Patrick just simulated punching.

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Speaker 1: And badly. I'm not a boxer, but fucking now, the

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Speaker 2: I don't think you'd get out of it. I think

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Speaker 2: he's going, he's going, He's get up and.

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Speaker 1: He should he should.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, he's pulled out a samurai.

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Speaker 1: What happens that I have a right behind I do

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Speaker 1: I do have a license for it.

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Speaker 2: To make it clear, Yeah, dear machete police go to

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Speaker 3: Taxpayers have paid a lot of money for that to

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Speaker 1: No way I bought that in China. That's my tai

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Speaker 1: chi broadsword. That doesn't seem to me to be within

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Speaker 2: I'm not a tai chi expert, but you know swords,

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Speaker 2: among other things, patrick are for killing people.

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Speaker 1: Well as you know. Tai chi is a proper martial

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Speaker 1: art that we call it a soft martial art. And

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Speaker 2: The idea being the it's because you're a soft martial artist.

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Speaker 2: I would love to put you and ring tip in

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Speaker 1: You know what, you know what we would end up hugging.

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Speaker 2: We would know, you would know, you wouldn't you might

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Speaker 2: know how to incentivize her. I would just and then

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Speaker 2: I'd put it up on YouTube. Here's Patrick getting smashed

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Speaker 2: by a mostly woman. I like pretty much all women,

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Speaker 1: I tell all of my tai chiese students that I've

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Speaker 1: I think you've said that seven times, bro. That's my philosophy.

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Speaker 1: It's my philosopher. Look, tai Chi is a slow moving

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Speaker 2: Boxing is a fast moving get punched in the phase

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Speaker 2: thirteen times while you're doing your slow moving martial art.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what, how fucking inefficient is a slow moving

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Speaker 1: Look, I think we built that muscle memory, right, Ah?

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Speaker 1: What was that? What was that? Ultimately was the Ultimate

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Speaker 1: Fighting Challenge where they put people of all the different

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Speaker 1: it's commonly known as the UFC. Patrick. Yeah, still alive

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Speaker 1: and well in twenty twenty. What was that thing back

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's all right mate. You're not here for that.

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Speaker 2: You're here to enlighten us on technology. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: all right, tip, can you tell everyone why Patrick's famous?

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Speaker 1: We need to give that a little bit of air

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Speaker 3: Front page of the local rag for being a book nude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's the possible reason why. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not Vogue, it's not even Playboy, it's the Morble News.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so whatever they are, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: So why are you on.

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Speaker 2: The front of the Banella fucking gazette.

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Speaker 1: Brand brand the Land? Let's see the Land? I knew

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Speaker 1: you on the front page? Bro? Can I just say

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Speaker 1: slow news Day. No. The reason is that there's are

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Speaker 2: When you say one of the journalists there, would I

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Speaker 1: No, come on, come on, come on. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put these photos up in the typ

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Speaker 1: What a ripper. This is a handsome.

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Speaker 2: Oh Patrick, just and you know what you should do?

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Speaker 2: Host the comment that he said sent to you as well.

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Speaker 2: Screenshot that. Now that we've brought you back down to

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Speaker 2: earth after your meteoric rise in the free press, not

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Speaker 2: so free press, let's talk about technology. I don't even

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Speaker 1: No, it's a a little bit different than that. There's

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Speaker 2: Mary says, she's tracking Square or fuck, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the man, the dance with no pants man

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Speaker 2: you do make a point, well, Mary, if they come

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Speaker 2: like Ron and Mary, that's that's my big fucking hurdle there, right,

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Speaker 2: because that But how have you ever had.

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Speaker 2: I've had at three am, they're fucking terrifying because you

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Speaker 1: No one's ringing me to chat.

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Speaker 3: So okay, I do not disturb on every night. I'm

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Speaker 1: you could do? Patrick? You could put a yaka on

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Speaker 1: Crago only when there's light. Plants use up oxygen when

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Speaker 1: That's how they's photosynthesis. So you leave the light on

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Speaker 2: Problem solved, Okay, and you just replace Yeah, you just

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Speaker 1: Imagine this right. So Crago has put all these plants

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Speaker 1: don't know about this. Hang on, let me ask chatters.

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Speaker 3: I might. It's literally just chatters and true.

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Speaker 2: I love how you doubt me. You're just assuming that

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Speaker 2: I sleep at night. Now that's an erroneous assumption. Fucking

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Speaker 1: That's boring. Man, Let's talk about tech.

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Speaker 2: I xi's auto focusing lenses are almost ready to replace

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Speaker 1: Oh fucking how amazing is that?

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Speaker 2: Auto focusing So they just if you're looking close or far,

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's really really, really interesting. The technology behind

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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. So these were demonstrated at CES in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 2: That'd be yeah, that'd be like, yeah, some people going

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Speaker 1: Exactly because traditional glasses haven't really changed. I mean, multifolk

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Speaker 1: think it'd be so cool. Because do you use multifocals crago?

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Speaker 2: Short messages, I only use reading glasses now, but I

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Speaker 2: And she's shaking her head and I'm like, no, I

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Speaker 1: tech I want to talk about because this is funny.

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Speaker 1: So Melissa and I have this running joke where if

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Speaker 1: all right. So she sent me tell people what this

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Speaker 1: it's called are You Dead? Yeah, so we did die?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right for you fucking dance with no

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Speaker 2: Ah fucking now, jeepers, I'm could have put out.

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Speaker 1: My eyesight's perfectly fine, Craig, Ah, I haven't needed surgery.

438
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, how good's podcasting? I wonder if i'll get

439
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: an email about that.

440
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're listening and you're what, I'm

441
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: only serious, um um Patrick, and in other breaking you

442
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Speaker 2: know what actually surprises me about that?

443
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Speaker 1: On something almost serious? Is that a twenty million into

444
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Speaker 1: one in China two hundred million by twenty thirty. Oh

445
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: you said twenty I mean two hundred sorry two hundred million.

446
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Speaker 2: Ye, well that makes sense because like we're talking about

447
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: a country of one point four billion, so yeah, and

448
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: I would think in a country of one point four billion, tif,

449
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Speaker 2: can you tell me which is.

450
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: Bigger land area Australia or China? Like I think it's similar.

451
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Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I think it's bigger. I think

452
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Speaker 1: we'll just tell.

453
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Speaker 2: Us which is geographically bigger, like land area or actually

454
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Speaker 2: could you give it's the actual but anyway, give or take,

455
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: they're both about the same size. But like one's got

456
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Speaker 2: twenty six to seven million and one's got fourteen hundred million,

457
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Speaker 2: and no wonder you could get lost or go unnoticed

458
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Speaker 2: in a in a country where there's one point four billion.

459
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Speaker 3: What's the answer, tive, China is nine point six million

460
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Speaker 3: kilometers Australia is what.

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Speaker 1: Yes kilometers seven? Okay, so yeah it's not.

462
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Speaker 2: I mean it's different, but it's like, so we're eighty

463
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Speaker 2: percent of their land mass with like one fucking whatever

464
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Speaker 2: of their population.

465
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Patrick and go. I think the Great Wall of

466
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Speaker 1: China it could ring all of Australia, not taking into

467
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Speaker 1: account Tassy because that it would need to be longer,

468
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Speaker 1: but I think roughly the Great Wall of China is

469
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Speaker 1: so big it could almost ring the entirety of Australia.

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Speaker 1: How massive is that? That's pretty big? That's pretty big.

471
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Speaker 2: That's tell me about solar panels with photo voltaic windows

472
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: that are transparent so they just look like glass, and

473
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: what is it? And up to seventy five percent less energy?

474
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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

475
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Speaker 1: It produces seventy five percent less energy? What does it mean? Now? Okay,

476
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Speaker 1: So in China have developed a way to reflect reflect

477
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Speaker 1: the light coming through the window and the photovoltaic cells

478
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Speaker 1: around the edge of the window. And because the problem

479
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: with big apartment blocks is that you've only got a

480
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Speaker 1: very small footprint on the top of a building. But

481
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: if all the windows had these photovoltaic cells built into

482
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Speaker 1: the windows themselves to generate so much more electricity. So

483
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Speaker 1: it's kind of revolutionized the way. You know, you can

484
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Speaker 1: look at generating solar solar energy and this is it.

485
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Speaker 1: It's funny how this hasn't really changed since photo foltaic

486
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Speaker 1: cells were first invented. The idea of you know, because

487
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Speaker 1: when you've also got these thick panels, it also helps

488
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: with energy reduction that you're losing through through winter, so

489
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Speaker 1: heat coming through. So it's like what they call passive home.

490
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: So passive home is where you have double and triple glazing,

491
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: so the window not only generates electricity, but it helps

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Speaker 1: insulate the house as well. I think that's what they're

493
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Speaker 1: referring to.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying that, like the windows in my

495
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: office could be solar panels, correct?

496
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Speaker 1: Yep, So that's not very cool. It is cool, I know.

497
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Speaker 1: And not only that, because of the thickness of the window,

498
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Speaker 1: it would prevent heat loss in winter, so the heat

499
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Speaker 1: stays inside and conversely in summer it keeps you cooler.

500
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Speaker 1: So it's serving two purposes by helping insulate the home

501
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and generate electricity at the same time. So that's kind

502
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Speaker 1: of cool.

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Speaker 2: About a year ago, I saw this thing on social

504
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: media which I thought was bullshit, and you're about to

505
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: tell me it's not bullshit, and it was Cowess's robot horse,

506
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, it was like I looked at that,

507
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: I went, that's it's like the coolest thing and the

508
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: stupidest thing ever, because hey, just ride a motorbike, but

509
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: so this dude's riding a robot horse, which looked like

510
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: something literally from a fucking movie, a futuristic movie there is.

511
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: It says on my thing, they're going into production. Is

512
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: that true?

513
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Speaker 1: Cool? Or have you been stooged this? It sounds like

514
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. It's Kawasaki did this as a

515
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: proof of concept, and there's a section of Kawasaki, the

516
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: motorcycle company that is called Kawsaki Heavy Industries. And so

517
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Speaker 1: they've now showed off an actual full scale model and

518
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: they said that they want to start production. It's going

519
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: to be a little way off though, they're talking that

520
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: it could be up to twenty fifty, but yeah, it's

521
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: going to take a little bit of time. But no, sorry,

522
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: actually no I'm not that's not true. Initial it was

523
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Speaker 1: twenty fifty. Now they're saying it's going to be twenty thirty,

524
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: so ok yeah, okay, so yeah, so this could be revolutionary.

525
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I thought it looked more like a wolf than a

526
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: horse myself, just quietly. But if you imagine a really big, giant,

527
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: robotic dog thing that you sit on. But the benefit

528
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: of having the multiple legs is that they're an all

529
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: terrain and they don't need because they can place their

530
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: feet in different locations, but they're stable as well. It

531
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: looked amazing the demo that we saw. I think it

532
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: might have been a mock up thing. I don't know

533
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: how true. But now they're saying that they can do it,

534
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: that they'll be able to manufacture it, and they'll have

535
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Speaker 1: them on the market. Would you buy one Crago? Definitely not.

536
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: Definitely not because I've grew up riding dirt bikes in

537
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: that terrain, and there's no way in the world a

538
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: person on one of those could even stay anywhere near me.

539
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: On a dirt bike, it would just be like, I mean,

540
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: dirt bikes have big, massive suspension, lots of travel. I

541
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: can't see how a four legged robot. I mean, you're

542
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: talking about bikes. Some of those bikes go zero to

543
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: one hundred k's in three or four seconds. You literally couldn't.

544
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: You couldn't.

545
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: But having said that, I think it's cool as shit.

546
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Speaker 2: I'll put it this way. If I was six or

547
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: seven grand I might buy one, But I feel like

548
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 2: they're going to be thirty or forty.

549
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: I think this is really where it had come to.

550
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: The four is in really mountainous areas, so areas where

551
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: there are no tracks, that are no paths, And I

552
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. I've seen people on dirt bikes,

553
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: still amazing stuff, but that's in such a niche group

554
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: of people, whereas an average person like myself could get

555
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: onto this thing and be able to navigate through really rough,

556
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Speaker 1: steep terrain without the need for the skills that someone

557
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: on who you know, who knows how to ride a

558
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Speaker 1: real Yeah, I guess also if you're using it as

559
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: a horse replacement for one of a better term where

560
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: you're just meandering through the bush anyway, but you're feeding

561
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: it fucking you know, ulp ninety eight, not carrots. But also,

562
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: how cool would it be just to clunk my way

563
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: down Hampton Street to the cafe and tie that bad

564
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: boy up outside like the fucking eighteen hundreds, just with

565
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: a leather strap on a pole, and then just wander

566
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: inside with my fucking cowboy boots in my hat. Yeah,

567
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: you did a stetson for that, wouldn't you.

568
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: That It looks we'd just getting under Well, you'd probably

569
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: need a helmet that looks like a stetson. Chinese scientists

570
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: recover ninety eight percent of gold from old phones in

571
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: twenty minutes at low cost, and now over to.

572
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: Patrick, that's seven like an ad, didn't it. Yeah, well,

573
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: there are so many precious metals in a lot of

574
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: devices that we use and then throw away. But the

575
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: problem is to try to recover things like gold from

576
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: a phone, you've got to use some pretty terrible acids

577
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: and chem nickels to try to recover that. And now

578
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: they're saying that this new process use its low cost,

579
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: environmentally cleaner and it's able to extract gold from electronic waste,

580
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: and it means that all of the whole idea behind

581
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: e waste recycling could be transformed by the way that

582
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: their recovery gets fast and it's cheap, and it's a

583
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: good wave of not harming the planet with toxic chemicals.

584
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: So no, it's great because you know, if you think

585
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: I've got I reckon, I've got about six or seven

586
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: old phones sitting in a draw in my office, which

587
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: is terrible. But all those electronic devices have all these

588
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: precious elements in them that are going to waste effectively

589
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: but are very hard to recycle.

590
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Imagine having a conversation at a bar. You meet someone,

591
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: what do you do? Ah, I harvest gold? Really where

592
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: from Ballarat?

593
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: You know? No iPhones in my garage.

594
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: I wonder I wonder if we could get someone to

595
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: get all the gold out of your seven phones that

596
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: are in your draws and by draws, I mean draws.

597
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Get them all in my pants? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: I wonder what the totality of that gold would be like.

599
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: Would it be It couldn't be like a tea spoon?

600
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: Would it be like a matchhead? Or it have to

601
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: be fuck?

602
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Or wouldn't it otherwise people would be doing that all

603
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the time. Well. According to the World Health Organization, the

604
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: annual generation of e waste is rising by two point

605
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: six million tons and is expected to climb to eighty

606
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: two million tons of waste by twenty thirty, eighty two

607
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: million tons of e waste.

608
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Speaker 2: It's hard to conceptualize that, isn't It's hard to figure

609
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: out what that would look like. You know, if you

610
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: had a one kilometer square space of grass, would it fill.

611
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: All of that and be one hundred feet high? Would

612
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: it be two hundred feet high? Would it? I don't know, Tad.

613
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: I can't get my head around that because I don't

614
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: know what that looks like. Chemical they use crago? So again, mate,

615
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: you didn't ask me what chemical they use instead of

616
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: the harsh solvents. Okay, hang on, hey Patrick, what chemical

617
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: do they use? Well, as it happens, it's potassium peroxy monosulfate. Ah,

618
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: that one, that old chestnut. Yeah, I had to. I

619
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: practiced that. I thought he's ask me that. Hey, Well,

620
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: what I want to say to you is well done,

621
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: well done, good boy, good preparation. Who's a good little

622
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: tech nerd? Who's your fucking little tech nerd? You are?

623
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: You's the best? Look at me? Who's a big boy? Patrick? Fuck?

624
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: Did I take riddle in this morning? Whatever that is?

625
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I did? Your coffee? People are going to go,

626
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: and he's on cocaine.

627
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: Trust me, you do not want to I've never seen

628
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: me on cocaine, but I think I might actually explode.

629
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Promise made me maybe promise them? Never take speed? Is it? Please?

630
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Never ever take speed? They could?

631
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: You and I both In fact, all of us, like

632
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: we are all fucking weird, like I'm sure our audience

633
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: really like we are.

634
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: Us three are fucking anomalous. We are not, and I'm.

635
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: Not saying better, like we're fucking human anomalies, Patrick Patrick.

636
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: But in this group, we're all fucking normal.

637
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why we do this, That's why, maybe why

638
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: we have no other members. How many people would want

639
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: to join this group of three fucking everyone because we're great.

640
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: We're great. If you want to join our group, just

641
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: let us know. In the fucking.

642
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: The whatever the Facebook thingy fucking thing speaking of tech.

643
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: Even Fritz this morning, he's going to tell you what

644
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: am I not? Am I not slick? Patrick?

645
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: The Eco mind Echo is that a brand? I guess

646
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: the Echo mind one pro is like a galaxy. This

647
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: is such a geeky, fucking sentence. No one in the

648
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: world knows what this means, but you the Echo mine

649
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: one pro is like a Galaxy Z flip seven without

650
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: the flip.

651
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Well, all our listeners over forty five just went next,

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Speaker 1: yeap next. What does that mean? Well, remember, like ten

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, phones were getting smaller and smaller and

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Speaker 1: now bigger and bigger and bigger. I had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: when I bought my latest phone, which was a Pixel nine,

656
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Speaker 1: to buy the Pixel pro, the nine, the larger one,

657
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: or fifty more instead of five hundred dollars more. And

658
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: I thought fifty bucks ago bigger nap. Nap couldn't cope

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Speaker 1: with a bigger phone. So instead of getting the deal

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Speaker 1: where I saved five hundred bucks and spend fifty to

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Speaker 1: get a big phone, I stayed with the smaller phone.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like there's a push for people to

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Speaker 1: go smaller. And so the flip phones we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: the Galaxy flip were the ones that are folded in

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Speaker 1: half and you flip the open to make a full

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Speaker 1: sized phone. But this new phone is only the size

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Speaker 1: of half a phone, so it's tiny. It's a little square. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that we

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Speaker 1: talked about this before, with that little you know, the

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Speaker 1: magnetic Tapa that you have to zone out to not

671
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: have apps bug you all the time because you've got

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Speaker 1: less screen real estate, and so you're less inclined to

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Speaker 1: spend more time on the phone and just use it

674
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: as a phone. It's still your important notifications. But it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that we've gone to something that's literally half the

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Speaker 1: size of the phone. I think that'd be great to

677
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: have that in your pocket instead of, you know, walking

678
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: around with a giant, big, clunky thing that's as big

679
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Speaker 1: as a brick.

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Speaker 2: I concur your honor is that. I think I've seen

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Speaker 2: one of those. They like about as thick as a

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Speaker 2: pack of cigarettes.

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Speaker 1: And you and they unfold. This is the z So

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Speaker 1: you're thinking of the Samsung Flips, whereas this is only

685
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: half the size. Is so effectively that the Flip phones

686
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: are great, you know, they're really awesome phone because they've

687
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Speaker 1: got that smaller footprint. But even going even smaller is

688
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: this company that's basically you know, the Echo Mind one

689
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Speaker 1: pro is half the size of a Galaxy Flip and

690
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Speaker 1: you don't flip it open. It's just a little tiny,

691
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: squearez screen. What's the timeframe? Obi Wan Kenobi on glasses

692
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Speaker 1: that we wear that bring up all the shit on

693
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Speaker 1: the screen on the lenses, And I know there's probably

694
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Speaker 1: a version of that already, But.

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Speaker 2: Where you think that's going to be? Where our glasses

696
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: are the Internet? Our glasses are our phone, our contacts,

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Speaker 2: our video player. Because that's kind of in the works,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: There is a brand out there called ro kid r

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Speaker 1: okid and a made of mind just got it shipped.

701
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Speaker 1: So these literally have just shipped in the last month

702
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Speaker 1: and it was so much fun to wear. So just

703
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Speaker 1: to picture this. At my mate's place, he has an

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Speaker 1: older friend. She's in the kitchen, and I put on

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Speaker 1: the smart glasses, which have cameras on them, so it's

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Speaker 1: all AI can trolled. I look towards the kitchen and

707
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: I say to the smart glasses, can you measure the

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Speaker 1: person in the kitchen to tell me what size the

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Speaker 1: coffin would be the fitter in?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, see that's not dark at all. Couldn't

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Speaker 2: you have just said Joe all money?

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Speaker 1: Oh? And did the glasses laugh? No, the glasses went

713
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Speaker 1: into this whole conversation about how you have to make

714
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Speaker 1: sure that the coffin slightly digger than the person.

715
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Speaker 2: Look at TIFF's face and like, yeah, did you go

716
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Speaker 2: how much bigger than the person, like the dead person?

717
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Speaker 2: Does the coffin need to be And if we got

718
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Speaker 2: a smaller coffin and squeezed them in, would we save money?

719
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Speaker 1: If so, how much? Yeah? Yeah, So if you imagine

720
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Speaker 1: the conversations you have with groc and all the you know,

721
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Speaker 1: the ais, but they're with you all the time, so

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Speaker 1: when you're looking at things, you can talk to them.

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Speaker 1: It has a little green display, So it's not a

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Speaker 1: full hovering, you know, iron Man thing, but it's there's

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Speaker 1: a little display of green and it comes up on display.

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Speaker 1: You can do language translations in real time, so if

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Speaker 1: someone speaks to you in another language, you'll have this

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Speaker 1: text flowing across the screen, translating in real time. So

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Speaker 1: this is with us right now, and that's with the

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Speaker 1: Roken AI powered smart classes. There are other smart classes

731
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Speaker 1: on the market where you just hear the AI, but

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Speaker 1: this actually displays what it's saying on the screen in

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Speaker 1: front of you, just hovering in front of you.

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Speaker 2: That would have to be illegal to wear in a car,

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Speaker 2: right because if you're looking at that shit, you're not

736
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Speaker 2: looking at the roads.

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Speaker 1: So that such how would they legislate around that, because

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Speaker 1: the legislation is nowhere near coming close to the developments

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Speaker 1: in technology. You're absolutely right, Grego absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And also I was talking to David Gillespie last night

741
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Speaker 2: Galespo High Ho Glespo, and we're talking.

742
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Speaker 1: About David Gillespie.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about how university these are running around

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Speaker 2: with their undies on their head because they don't know

745
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Speaker 2: what the fuck to do with AI. Right, because especially

746
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Speaker 2: like undergrad students who have to write a paper, AI

747
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: can write a better paper than they'd ever write in

748
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Speaker 2: two minutes, and then they can say, also make this

749
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Speaker 2: paper so it can't be detected by AI detectors. Do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, And it's just they're scrambling.

751
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's so many things that are going to

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00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: have to be navigated and adapted to and factored in

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Speaker 2: with AI. For all the benefits and all the good,

754
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Speaker 2: there's also the disadvantages where kids can present or students,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily kids, but students can present papers that read great,

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Speaker 2: answer the question, they cover what's meant to be covered,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't actually write it and they don't actually

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Speaker 2: know the content. But they're getting through and this is

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Speaker 2: already happening now where it's just being where people are.

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Speaker 2: I would think there are definitely people now, at the

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Speaker 2: very least being helped significantly, that are getting degrees depending

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Speaker 2: on the type of subject, that are getting degrees that

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Speaker 2: they're not doing most of personally, not doing most of

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Speaker 2: the work for like AI is producing their papers and

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Speaker 2: their whatevers.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of imagining being wheeled in on a

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Speaker 1: gurney and looking at the bloke standing there with a scalpel,

768
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Speaker 1: wondering whether he's been AI taught. You won't have to

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Speaker 1: because robots will be doing operation. That isn't true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good point. That's that's all right. Would you

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Speaker 1: ask a question, though, the craig, would you feel more

772
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Speaker 1: comfortable and tiff having a robot operates you than a person?

773
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Speaker 1: I will I.

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Speaker 2: One would choose the robot, yep, And people would not

775
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Speaker 2: expect that from me. But like, here's the thing with

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would want to see some evidence over

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Speaker 2: a period. I mean, I wouldn't choose it today, but

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Speaker 2: I mean I think if you can look at data

779
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Speaker 2: and say how many mistakes to humans And it's not

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Speaker 2: that surgeons are bad but how many mistakes let's say,

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Speaker 2: in one hundred thousand operations did these humans.

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Speaker 1: Make, how many did AI make?

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Speaker 2: And I think that would tell you, I mean, dependent

784
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Speaker 2: on what the answer to that question is.

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Speaker 1: And I would feel, you know.

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Speaker 2: Because robots don't get tired, Robots don't have emotions, robots

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Speaker 2: don't need morning tea in afternoon tea. Robots don't have

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Speaker 2: fucking good and bad days. You know, it's like they

789
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Speaker 2: just do they just do what they're programmed to do.

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Speaker 2: But I think I could be wrong, but I would

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Speaker 2: think ten years from now, a reasonable amount of surgery

792
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Speaker 2: will be will be done by robots.

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Speaker 1: And the crucial thing to bear in mind too is

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Speaker 1: if you live in remote parts of Australia and you

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Speaker 1: need agent surgery, effectively, you could have a you know,

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Speaker 1: a surgeon in Sydney or Melbourne oversea the remote operation,

797
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Speaker 1: and that's that's starting as well. That that could be

798
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Speaker 1: you know, life changing, because that transport time to get

799
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Speaker 1: someone to a capital city could be crucial and that

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Speaker 1: could mean the difference between life and death. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand this next story, but I'm interested for you to

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Speaker 1: explain it to me. Power This is under power on

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Speaker 1: your list. A startup.

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00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: A startup just beamed electricity from a moving airplane to

805
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Speaker 2: prove we can harvest solar power from space.

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Speaker 1: Oh now I kind of get it. But how does

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Speaker 1: it beam electricity? Where did it beam?

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Speaker 3: At?

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Speaker 1: Two? A laser? Laser bostin power style? Thank you, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So it was at five kilometers high. It's five thousand meters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: five kilometers. That's pretty high, isn't it an altitude of

812
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Speaker 1: five kilometers and it beamed a laser. So flying a cessna,

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Speaker 1: it was a cloudy, bumpy, stormy day, but they were

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Speaker 1: able to synchronize the laser between the aircraft. This was

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Speaker 1: a proof of concept. They were able to synchronize the

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Speaker 1: laser between the receiver on the ground and the connection

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Speaker 1: was kept totally for that time. So this was done

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, a little startup there called Overview Energy. And

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Speaker 1: this is a big thing because the idea is that

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Speaker 1: in the future, because if you've got solar panels in space,

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Speaker 1: then you're not subject to clouds and the Earth moving

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Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff and being in shade,

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Speaker 1: and you can basically point this array of solar panels

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Speaker 1: at the sun consistently. Then the idea is that you

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Speaker 1: would beam that energy down to Earth, so you would

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Speaker 1: have receiver stations that you would connect to, so effectively,

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Speaker 1: it's clean energy. There's no transmission cables and you're transmitting

828
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Speaker 1: power to a receiver down on the ground. And this, ye,

829
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Speaker 1: it's pretty exciting. So to make this kind of proof

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Speaker 1: of concept, they flew this small, little, tiny Cesna like plane.

831
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a Cessna before? Not a Cessna,

832
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Speaker 1: but I've been in a little plane.

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Speaker 2: When I landed in Vanuatu Port Vila, and I had

834
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Speaker 2: to fly to a small island and they had to

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Speaker 2: weigh everyone.

836
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Speaker 1: Ye, all of us individually got weighed.

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Speaker 2: There was like six people and a pilot who I

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Speaker 2: guess also is a person, and I was one hundred

839
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Speaker 2: and nine kilos. And the little man, the little man

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Speaker 2: from Vanuatu, who was gorgeous, he said to me, you're

841
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Speaker 2: too fat, and I.

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Speaker 1: Went, what do you really think? No, I white say that.

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00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: Ah, he said you're too fat. You're too fat, and

844
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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, And what he meant was I'm too heavy.

845
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Speaker 2: Like he wasn't actually of course trying to be rude,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, And they had to weigh all the baggage

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Speaker 2: figure it like, it's basically how much to the bags way?

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Speaker 2: How much to the people weigh? How much is the

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Speaker 2: pilot way, what's the capacity? How much fuel have we

850
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Speaker 2: got to get on board? And I'm like, I hope

851
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Speaker 2: you're fucking good at maths because our lives depend on

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Speaker 2: this sum And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I must have just made.

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Speaker 2: The cut by a kilo because they let the fat

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Speaker 2: bloke on the plane. But again, good for my self esteem,

856
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: not an issue at all, Patrick tell us, let's do

857
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: our last one. I'm interested because I would love old

858
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: fashioned controls on my car. Car manufacturers are being asked

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Speaker 2: to bring back old fashioned knobs and sliding things so

860
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Speaker 2: we can turn up the volume on the bloody air

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Speaker 2: by sliding a knob or turning a knob.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just have knobs. Well, there's this Australia

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand has a regulatory authority that looks its

864
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Speaker 1: car safety and what they've decided is that they've set

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Speaker 1: up a program and they have announced from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six they're going to be putting pressure on car makers

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Speaker 1: to bring back buttons because and I've observed this and

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Speaker 1: made of Mine's got the tank here the Chinese and

869
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: it's just one big screen in the middle. And quite

870
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: often when we're driving along, he's got to flip through

871
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: multiple screens to get to a certain control. Okay, admittedly

872
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: it's a massage control of my seat, but he's going

873
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: to press about full buttons and go through different screens.

874
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Now the issue is, though, there are certain crucial controls

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00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: that we use in our car all the time, so

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00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: whether it's indicators, turning the heat up, air conditioning, those

877
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: sorts of things. And I know with my car because

878
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of analog in my car as

879
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: well as electronics, so I've got heads up displayed, but

880
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: I've also got knobs and buttons, and I can instituitively

881
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: reach over and turn an ob and turn the volume up,

882
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, track forward on whatever I'm listening to. I

883
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: can turn the heat up or down because there are

884
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: physical buttons to do that as well as on screen.

885
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: And now that we've gone so far away in one

886
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: direction where you're effective they've got a big iPad sitting

887
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of your dashboard, they're now realizing, or

888
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: it's thought now that this is actually too distracting when

889
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to do certain functions, and that we do

890
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: have certain analogue features returned to cars. So this is

891
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: going to be and I don't think this is Australia

892
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: New Zealand. This is coming up around the world. The

893
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: last episode we talked about those flush door handles that

894
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: are problematic because you have a car accident and potentially

895
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: the door handles can't be opened because they're electronically controlled,

896
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: so if there's no power going to them, you can't

897
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: open the door. So those sorts of things where we've

898
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: got almost too clever for our own good. And you

899
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: can see in this instance where it makes sense to

900
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: be able to use tactile feeling, to be able to

901
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do in the car without

902
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: having to look away from the road. Yeah, yeah, I

903
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Speaker 1: love that tactility.

904
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Speaker 2: It's funny like I have a cheap little car which

905
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: I drive most of the time, and a nicer, fancier car,

906
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Speaker 2: and the nicer fancier car has got not a fucking

907
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: knob insight and yeah you're driving, yeah, or the only

908
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: knobber is in the front seat. Yeah, okay, again back

909
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: in therapy for Jumbo. But I actually love driving the

910
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: little Suzuki because I know where everything is without looking

911
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: to see where it is.

912
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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

913
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Speaker 2: I know how to turn on the AC or to

914
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Speaker 2: increase it or decrease it, or turn it off.

915
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: Or or you know whatever without having to scroll through

916
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: stuff too. Yeah, that is a very very valid point.

917
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Speaker 2: Like you think about it, like you're not allowed to

918
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Speaker 2: use your phone, which you know how to use really well,

919
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: but you're allowed to use this computer in the middle

920
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: of middle your dashboard, which would seem to me to

921
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: require much more focus and attention than using your phone.

922
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: You know, when they relaunched the Mini a few years ago,

923
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: the original Mini had the speedo and is sitting in

924
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the dash and Atradian authorities made them

925
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: put a second speedo in front of the driver because

926
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: they felt that looking off to the side to see

927
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: what your speed was was too distracting. Yeah. Yeah, and

928
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: now screens, Yeah exactly. Well, I feel like that was

929
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Speaker 1: a good little chat go.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give us a four and a half

931
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Speaker 2: out of five. I think there's a room for improvement,

932
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: but overall, tip great work, even though you're probably very tired.

933
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: Patrick also good work from you, great preparation, great list.

934
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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you also four and a half

935
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Speaker 2: and jumbo fucking outstanding.

936
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Speaker 1: Outstanding. Yeah, of course I'm giving me a five. Patrick.

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00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: Where can people find you websitesnow, dot com, dot au

938
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Speaker 1: if you want to just have a chat and if

939
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: you can think of something that you'd like us to

940
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: talk about, to debate in a mass way, just yeah,

941
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Speaker 1: just fill out the form on the website, you know,

942
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Speaker 1: websites now, dot com, dot au.

943
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Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna I'm not even gonna hume you

944
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: by extrapolating on that little double on Tondre. You just

945
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: slid in there that Tiff didn't even get or maybe

946
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 2: she did.

947
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: And if you have a huge.

948
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Speaker 2: Amount of money and you are reckless with your money,

949
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: but you want abs and shoulders and you want to

950
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: train with almost a one female, she's at least seventy

951
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Tiff is available. She's the only hybrid trainer in Melbourne.

952
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: And so fucking that's a good story at parties, apart

953
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: from the results you'll get in the gym.

954
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: So hit her up as well. Patrick, It's been great

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00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: TIF also, you know, just terrific. Thanks so much,