Speaker 1: I get a team. It's a You Project, of course
Speaker 1: it is. Patrick's here, Tips here, I'm here. I hope
Speaker 1: you're well. Hope you're enjoying the You Project. And if
Speaker 1: you're not part of our little online group, a Rooney,
Speaker 1: the You Project Facebook group is available for you.
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called the You Project podcast? Or
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's something of that group. I should
Speaker 2: I should probably know.
Speaker 1: But there's about four thousand of us that jump on
Speaker 1: there and talk, and young Danny this week had something
Speaker 1: to celebrate.
Speaker 2: In the group. We all did that, like a.
Speaker 1: Little online community where people just support each other in
Speaker 1: all the good things. So if you're not part of that,
Speaker 1: there's no hooks, catches or agendas. You just jump in
Speaker 1: and chat or jump out whatever the case. Hi, Patrick, Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: doing be part of the group? Kind of Yes and no?
Speaker 3: Yes, I joined in.
Speaker 2: Are you a member of the group?
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, But I don't monitor social media anymore. Remember,
Speaker 3: I just don't jump that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's probably for the best.
Speaker 1: But after talking to David Gillespie the other day, I
Speaker 1: was a bit depressed but also a little bit enlightened.
Speaker 1: So I'm right now curating my relationship with social media
Speaker 1: and all of my attention regarding all things electronic high
Speaker 1: TIV high harms.
Speaker 4: How are you fabulous? Friday morning?
Speaker 1: Now, Patrick and I saw that some male was in
Speaker 1: the background before.
Speaker 2: We went live. I'm not sure that either he or
Speaker 2: I have given any kind of approval for that.
Speaker 4: Earlier in the morning to walk the dog.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is that what he does. Oh sorry, I
Speaker 3: thought it was a letter from Australia Poste.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's like a dog walker man, is he?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: Why was he in pajamas and my pajamas, I mean jocks?
Speaker 1: Why was the dog walker man knewed in the background?
Speaker 2: What was that about? Did you giggling? Giggling like a
Speaker 2: fucking guilty school girl? And Patrick's like, I wish I
Speaker 2: had one of them in my background.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say that I couldn't say
Speaker 3: you must have X ray glasses because he looked pretty
Speaker 3: close to me.
Speaker 1: We're just fucking around for the show. Patrick, you're familiar
Speaker 1: with entertainment, No, you're familiar with that. No, but thanks
Speaker 1: for that. You really added to what was going on.
Speaker 4: Truth get in the way of a good story, Patrick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just let that.
Speaker 1: Just let that roll now, Patrick, You've been the victim
Speaker 1: of a vicious crime up there in the place where
Speaker 1: you once bragged about how safe and beautiful it was.
Speaker 1: You don't lock your car, you don't lock your house.
Speaker 1: But you do, now, don't you.
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I do lock my car, but it was parked across
Speaker 3: the road on one of those really hot days under
Speaker 3: a tree because there was no shade, and I left
Speaker 3: it overnight and someone broke into it. Yeah, smashed the windows.
Speaker 3: Wasn't fun. But I had my backpack in it, which
Speaker 3: is what I take to tai Chi with all my
Speaker 3: notes and fans and a little bit of equipment and yes,
Speaker 3: my wallet. I know everyone's been telling me how dumb
Speaker 3: I am, and one friend in particular, Hi Sylvia, it
Speaker 3: constantly tells me how dumb I am, So thanks for that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the police were really lovely. The forensic guys
Speaker 3: were really good. But the crims or krim, I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was more than one person were wearing
Speaker 3: gloves so they couldn't take any prints. But but digital tracking,
Speaker 3: thank you. They used my credit card at nine different
Speaker 3: locations as they drove back to Melbourne. So wow, Melbourne. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the good thing is police have CCTV footage, so
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that my stupidity may actually lead to a conviction.
Speaker 3: So in some ways it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Will you be locking it moving forward all the time
Speaker 2: or just a look it?
Speaker 3: And I always lock it, but I just didn't have
Speaker 3: it in the driveway where I normally have it nice
Speaker 3: and safe where the camera is, and it was out
Speaker 3: of the range of the camera.
Speaker 1: So it's not a good feeling, is it when you
Speaker 1: walk up to your car, or like, I've had a
Speaker 1: few things happen over the years where you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: you come to a door at your house and like
Speaker 1: I didn't leave that open or whatever makes you feel
Speaker 1: sick in the guts.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember I lived. I was
Speaker 3: renting a place in Tuak, which again is supposedly a
Speaker 3: nice area, and I had my camera in the glovebox,
Speaker 3: but this is before they had screens on the back
Speaker 3: of it was a Kodak digital camera, one of the
Speaker 3: very first ones, and it got stopped and anyway, I
Speaker 3: thought maybe I'll just check out a few of the
Speaker 3: pawn shops to see a few weeks later. Anyway, when
Speaker 3: I walked out of club X. Sorry, I mean the
Speaker 3: places that you can dock your wares, not wear your hawks.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot a log chapel street at all
Speaker 3: those places.
Speaker 2: I'm not helping you out. You dug this fucking hole.
Speaker 2: I saw it coming from two acres away.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I went to one to watch.
Speaker 2: Fortunately, Tiff is the best crowd in.
Speaker 3: The world, and you are lucky when I do stand up, Tiff,
Speaker 3: you are still going to be there right at the
Speaker 3: front of everybody. Thank you. Anyway, so I walk in
Speaker 3: and I see this camera that's identical to my camera
Speaker 3: on sale, and I asked the guy, you know is
Speaker 3: can I check out the camera? I said, if you've
Speaker 3: got the box and cables for it and a mate
Speaker 3: just as is. So I looked at it and the
Speaker 3: memory card was full, and I knew that my memory
Speaker 3: card and my camera had been full. And then I
Speaker 3: opened up the back of it and they had Panasonic batteries.
Speaker 3: And Panasonic batteries aren't that common in a lot of devices,
Speaker 3: you know, you tend to get durusale and ever ready,
Speaker 3: so I thought, I reckon, this is my camera. So
Speaker 3: I went to the local police station and the desk
Speaker 3: sergeant a person at the desk said, nah, we can't
Speaker 3: do anything. You know, there's not much we can do.
Speaker 3: But a COIB detective happened to be walking past and
Speaker 3: he turned to me and said, oh, what happened to
Speaker 3: your camera? And I told him the whole story. He said, right,
Speaker 3: let's jump in the car and go and have a look.
Speaker 3: He was a lovely guy. And we're driving there he says, yeah,
Speaker 3: this bloody licensed thieves. So anyway, the short story is
Speaker 3: I took the camera. We got the camera, took it
Speaker 3: back to my place, and I had the box and
Speaker 3: packaging for it. Serial codes matched, so I knew it
Speaker 3: was my camera. I had to buy it back.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I had to buy it back for the price that
Speaker 3: the porn shop had purchased it for because even though
Speaker 3: I could prove it was my camera, they had ID
Speaker 3: stolen ID that that had been used to verify the
Speaker 3: person's sale. But anyway, so it's just I know it's
Speaker 3: a bit of a long winded story. Apologies for that,
Speaker 3: but you're right, Craigo, you do feel somewhat violated when
Speaker 3: something gets stolen that doesn't belongs to you.
Speaker 1: It's not a competition, but I'll share one with you
Speaker 1: that was a good one I bought when I had
Speaker 1: Harper's on the Highway that he used to train at,
Speaker 1: when Tiff was just you know, doing year twelve fuck
Speaker 1: and squeezing a z it's and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what she wanted to do in the next you'll doing.
Speaker 2: That decade or two.
Speaker 1: So I bought a new motorbike patrick which I was
Speaker 1: called a Suzuki eleven hundred hour, which was one of
Speaker 1: the first of the super bikes in that kind of
Speaker 1: it looked like something you would ride on the track
Speaker 1: but on the street, right early days of those superbikes,
Speaker 1: and back then it's probably twenty five years ago or something.
Speaker 2: Cost me.
Speaker 1: Like twenty three or four grand, which was a fortune,
Speaker 1: probably like fifty grand now.
Speaker 2: Anyway, blue and white, beautiful, amazing. Went out.
Speaker 1: I won't say where I bought it, but anyway, went
Speaker 1: out to this place which is not near my house.
Speaker 1: It's the only place in Victoria I could get one.
Speaker 1: They'd just been released. Bought it, and while I was there,
Speaker 1: I bought this like fucking I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: titanium chain or something that you can't cut through, and
Speaker 1: just so I could lock. Apart from the steering lock
Speaker 1: on the bike, I could also lock it so nobody
Speaker 1: could pinch it. Blah blah blah, and I was I
Speaker 1: had to go back the next day to pick it up.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I went back the next day, because that's
Speaker 1: pre deliberate all that. I picked it up. Friend of
Speaker 1: mine dropped me off road at home Bibby Bobby Boo.
Speaker 1: Still hadn't seen one on the road, so I was
Speaker 1: super proud of myself. Next day, I was going to
Speaker 1: work driving and I saw opposite me at an intersection
Speaker 1: in fact, Nepeane Highway South Road, opposite me, going the
Speaker 1: opposite direction to me. Of course, I go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's my bike. Little did I know it was actually
Speaker 1: my fucking bike, right, And I'm like, look at that, dude,
Speaker 1: and it's the same and it's you know, obviously I
Speaker 1: hadn't memorized the number plate, but I didn't even think.
Speaker 2: And then later that day I got home and clearly
Speaker 2: mine was gone.
Speaker 1: So I actually saw the guy flogging my riding away
Speaker 1: on my bike, and I'm thinking what a gun is
Speaker 1: because he's got a bike like me. And then but
Speaker 1: the dumb thing that I did was, so you buy
Speaker 1: it from and of course most dealers are not like this.
Speaker 1: But you buy it from the dealer and you pick
Speaker 1: it up tomorrow. So they can cut a key to
Speaker 1: the bike. They can cut a key to the padlock.
Speaker 1: All the bits and pieces I bought for security, they
Speaker 1: can replicate in the day between when you sign on
Speaker 1: the dotted and when you get it. So the guy
Speaker 1: who stole it, at the very least worked for the dealership,
Speaker 1: or worked for the dealership, or knew someone who did.
Speaker 1: So he just came to my joint, which he also
Speaker 1: had the address because I signed all the paper, drove
Speaker 1: to my joint, or got dropped off, had all the
Speaker 1: keys unlocked, everything just rode it away And you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: and then, which is understandable. But then I got interrogated
Speaker 1: for about four hours by the fucking insurance company like
Speaker 1: I was a criminal and I had done this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I sympathize with you.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's that's pretty fun, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. What are we what
Speaker 2: are we teching today? Is there anything that takes your
Speaker 2: fancy or do you.
Speaker 3: Just want me to throw a CPR CREPR story. And
Speaker 3: this is one of the most bizarre things. It doesn't
Speaker 3: surprise me in the slightest. Meta basically had patented. It's
Speaker 3: come out that they painted a AI that would continue
Speaker 3: to post for you when you die.
Speaker 2: Who yeah, who wants that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So now this happened in December, and they weren't
Speaker 3: the first to do it. Microsoft actually had the same
Speaker 3: idea but then shelved it's saying, yeah, probably a bit
Speaker 3: creepy if we have a Chatbotton model. This was that
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. But they're saying now, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we're not really going to use it. The idea had
Speaker 3: come out of so say, for example, Crago on the
Speaker 3: typ channel on Facebook decides to go away on an
Speaker 3: extended holiday. You could effectively use this to post for
Speaker 3: you while you're on a break, and I think part
Speaker 3: of the idea. And then someone thought, ky, but what
Speaker 3: if someone dies, it could keep posting for them, and
Speaker 3: soily and you know that if you can, if you
Speaker 3: could put all of your collected works into an AI,
Speaker 3: it would really be able to mimic your voice. So
Speaker 3: in a lot while it could effectively and who knows
Speaker 3: down the track podcasting it could you know, it could
Speaker 3: just be Tiff and I and an AI.
Speaker 2: Well, very well could be.
Speaker 1: I mean the quality of the kind of AI podcasts
Speaker 1: that are using, you know, celebrities voices a part some
Speaker 1: times from the cadence or the timing. But it's pretty indistinguishable.
Speaker 1: I mean it is, but it's getting very close to
Speaker 1: being you wouldn't know. So I also see that some
Speaker 1: artists and writers, and I thought this would be the case,
Speaker 1: quite hesitant to disclose when they're using AI or collaborating
Speaker 1: with AI. What do you think the reason is for that?
Speaker 1: Just embarrassment or fear of losing legitimacy or legitimacy.
Speaker 3: There's a perception out there if you're an artist and
Speaker 3: you say, oh, yeah, by the way, I used AI
Speaker 3: to help get some themes for my new book, then
Speaker 3: the authenticity and the sense of creativity is diluted.
Speaker 2: I think yes.
Speaker 3: But interestingly, there was a little bit of a research study,
Speaker 3: and what they did was they took two and a
Speaker 3: half thousand creative professionals and across four continents, and this
Speaker 3: is a study done in twenty twenty four, and they
Speaker 3: found that eighty five percent of them we're using AI
Speaker 3: in work. Now, if you use AI to help you
Speaker 3: get organized in the day, you help manage your emails,
Speaker 3: and then you jump into the creative process. Even then,
Speaker 3: the fact that AI is helping you was still a
Speaker 3: bit of a stigma for most people. That the perception
Speaker 3: was that you were almost like you're cheating by using AI.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I use it for concept work
Speaker 3: sometimes if I'm stuck on an idea and then I think, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll just jump into AI. Sometimes it's awful, it's terrible.
Speaker 3: Other times you think, oh, yeah, that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 3: I think that at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 3: just like any tool. I'm sure you know people were
Speaker 3: saying this when computers came out, and you know the
Speaker 3: fact that we were using these devices or adding machines,
Speaker 3: you know, calculators rather than an advocate. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think it's just about global acceptance that, you know, as
Speaker 3: it gets more and more integrated. I know that when
Speaker 3: I take a photograph and I send peopleographs, now I
Speaker 3: have an option to press a button and it's nano
Speaker 3: banana on my phone and wow, lick the nano banana button.
Speaker 3: I can change that photo. Before I send it. So
Speaker 3: I was sitting talking to some friends. We were in
Speaker 3: a walking group. We go walking together every Thursday morning.
Speaker 3: We've been doing it for about fifteen or sixteen years,
Speaker 3: and then we have a coffee afterwards. And I was
Speaker 3: explaining this to a friend of mine. She was talking
Speaker 3: about using AI and so I took a photo of
Speaker 3: the group of people sitting at the table, and I
Speaker 3: just in the prompt, I said, turn this into a
Speaker 3: Christmas scene. Suddenly there was a Christmas tree in the background,
Speaker 3: ballbles and decorations on the table, and you know, the
Speaker 3: same people were there. One person was a little Christmas
Speaker 3: hat and it did literally changed the you know what
Speaker 3: was there. But it makes me wonder too. The reality
Speaker 3: was so clear, it looked so real. I almost turned
Speaker 3: it around to the other people and said, hey, remember
Speaker 3: this is funny. We were sitting in the same positions
Speaker 3: this time last year in December, you know, just to
Speaker 3: see if I could fool anybody, because not everybody was
Speaker 3: listening to the conversation. There were people in their own conversation,
Speaker 3: you know, when you sit around with a group of people.
Speaker 3: But the reality, well, the reality is there is no reality.
Speaker 3: You know, are we being deceived. Well, yeah, maybe we are.
Speaker 3: And credibility, where does that work? I mean, you use
Speaker 3: AI all the time.
Speaker 2: Craigo, I use it for different things.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting you say this because, like all of
Speaker 1: the stuff that I write on Instagram, if you don't
Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram, folks, that's fine. But if you
Speaker 1: want to just quig Anthony Harper. But like, I'll put
Speaker 1: up some things like I'm just looking at one post
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I wanted to read you this for a reason. It
Speaker 2: just says it's handwritten on a whiteboard by me, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent original. It's not brilliant.
Speaker 1: But of course life's a shit show and then it's awesome,
Speaker 1: and then you're sad and then happy, and then it's lunchtime.
Speaker 1: Your challenge is not to create a perfect life, but
Speaker 1: rather to thrive in the inevitable imperfection of it all. Now,
Speaker 1: I've posted that post probably fifteen times over the last
Speaker 1: few years, and the worst it ever gets is a
Speaker 1: million views. One time it got two and a half
Speaker 1: million views. Right, so I thought, I'm going to take that.
Speaker 1: I took that and a few other higher rating ones,
Speaker 1: and I wrote, so these are posts that I put
Speaker 1: on Instagram on hundred percent original, written with my hand
Speaker 1: on a whiteboard, taken a photo of tied it up
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, made a bit clearer and cleaner.
Speaker 2: I want you to come up with a post.
Speaker 1: Similar to this or similar to these, written in my style,
Speaker 1: a bit of swearing, whatever, but original. They were fucking terrible,
Speaker 1: like terrible, like not like, oh my god, you couldn't
Speaker 1: you know. But if you want to go, hey, tell
Speaker 1: me a funny story about how the pyramids were built, well,
Speaker 1: it can crush that, right, Or you want to give
Speaker 1: me your thoughts on like yesterday. I'll talk for a
Speaker 1: minute or two and then I'll shut up. But this
Speaker 1: is very relevant to you.
Speaker 2: Have you opened the door at all on AI agents
Speaker 2: like agentic ai?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. It just looks into.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I just want to read this because this
Speaker 1: blew me away. So agentic AI refers to artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: systems that don't just respond to prompts. They take initiative,
Speaker 1: set goals, make decisions, and act autonomously to achieve an objective.
Speaker 1: In simple terms, traditional AI answers questions, agentic AI pursues outcomes.
Speaker 1: And this is happening now. The core idea. Most current
Speaker 1: AI tools, including chat assistance, are reactive. You asked the answer,
Speaker 1: agentic ai is goal oriented and self directed.
Speaker 2: You give it an outcome that you want.
Speaker 1: It figures out the steps, it executes them, and it
Speaker 1: adapts if and when needed. Key features of agentic ai
Speaker 1: goal rn entered works to find towards defined objectives. Autonomous
Speaker 1: decision making chooses actions without human input, planning ability breaks
Speaker 1: large goals in small blah uh. I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: just a person. This is a person. And I was
Speaker 1: listening to a guy yesterday who's the boss of Uber.
Speaker 1: His name is Dara Koshwahari or something. But anyway, when
Speaker 1: he took over Uber, they were losing three billion a
Speaker 1: year in twenty seventeen. They are now making ten billion
Speaker 1: a year. And he's they're implementing all of these kind
Speaker 1: of you know, these AI kind of agents to take
Speaker 1: positions and they're employing other people. They're still one of
Speaker 1: the biggest employers in the world, but it's the shit
Speaker 1: that's happening. It's almost like you can't keep up. And yeah,
Speaker 1: because Melissa started telling me about she wants to build
Speaker 1: this team of agents, and I'm like, haka, are you
Speaker 1: going to sack Tiff?
Speaker 2: And I what's going on?
Speaker 3: So there's a really lovely sense of authenticity to you
Speaker 3: writing your posts on a whiteboard and taking a photo
Speaker 3: and putting it up there. Last year I did a little,
Speaker 3: a little kind of project that I started for myself,
Speaker 3: and I had a whiteboard marker in my bathroom and
Speaker 3: on the mirror. Every night before I went to bed,
Speaker 3: after I brushed my teeth, i'd write a high coup.
Speaker 3: So that's a Japanese poem. It's a five seven five
Speaker 3: syllable so one line of five syllables, one line of seven,
Speaker 3: one line of five. And it was really interesting pushing
Speaker 3: yourself to be creative. You know, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I'm always a bit tired, but I really
Speaker 3: set myself a goal to write a highkup every single day,
Speaker 3: and it was such a fun challenge. And I started
Speaker 3: taking photos of them, which was kind of fun. You know,
Speaker 3: I'd have to go back and look for them, and
Speaker 3: I don't think they were earth shattering, and I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm going to publish a book of haiku. But
Speaker 3: there was a study recently a psychologists now saying that
Speaker 3: people who write shopping lists. Physically writing a shopping list
Speaker 3: rather than typing it into your phone. Instead of that,
Speaker 3: they're actually using a cognitive processing and that actually strengthens
Speaker 3: your memory. It's also intention and presence, and that doesn't
Speaker 3: happen when you type it into a phone. So physically writing,
Speaker 3: forming the words helps with the intention and the intent
Speaker 3: and memorizing what it is on that list. So I
Speaker 3: thought that's interesting and the fact that doing that, And
Speaker 3: I know we've laughed at me many times about the
Speaker 3: fact that I like to use a fountain pen. But
Speaker 3: I love writing still and I adore writing, and I
Speaker 3: still like using technology. But it's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think it is.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of mellow drama at the moment
Speaker 1: around around apps and around the use of AI, and
Speaker 1: around the use of social media broadly, but I think
Speaker 1: that every individual needs to be I have this chat
Speaker 1: with Gillespie and tiff about, you know, just like, really,
Speaker 1: what is happening with these brains that are getting hijacked
Speaker 1: by this medium? And so literally you it takes your attention.
Speaker 1: You're not choosing what to focus on, it's choosing for you.
Speaker 1: And so now you are just a passenger. You're not
Speaker 1: driving the bus like it has your attention, not the
Speaker 1: other way around. So it's like I thought about it,
Speaker 1: and definitely I've got an issue, definitely, and I have
Speaker 1: to change it because it's my brain is my most
Speaker 1: important tool and if anything that's going to kind of
Speaker 1: impact my ability to think clearly, focus, create resolved problems,
Speaker 1: you know, like use my brain well and keep my
Speaker 1: brain healthy. To me, it's almost like I'm doing all
Speaker 1: this training then coming home and eating doughnuts and pizza.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the analogy for me, Like I do
Speaker 1: all of this work with my brain and then I
Speaker 1: just fucking unplugged my brain and let this thing hijack
Speaker 1: my prefrontal cortex. So I'm off line and it's online
Speaker 1: and it's I fucking hate it.
Speaker 2: I've got to stop it.
Speaker 3: I got a really interesting email during the week from
Speaker 3: one of our listeners. Dale is his name Dale Patterson,
Speaker 3: and it was a blog article that he sent through
Speaker 3: to me about AI slop. And it's a guy by
Speaker 3: the name of Gwinder whose handle is Gerwinder, and it's
Speaker 3: a blog called The Prism. And what he did was
Speaker 3: he took a whole lot of phrases, and he just
Speaker 3: kind of paraphrased each of the key terms. So one
Speaker 3: of them was the one percent rule. So in online communities,
Speaker 3: one percent of users produce almost all of the content. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the ninety nine consumers, the one person generating a content.
Speaker 3: And then he talked about slopaganda. More online articles are
Speaker 3: now written by AI than humans, so if you look
Speaker 3: at an article, there's a good chance that it's going
Speaker 3: to be an AI written article, not a human one. Moloch'spargan.
Speaker 3: This is when large learning models so AIS compete for
Speaker 3: votes on social media, so they push lies and rage
Speaker 3: bait to actually win. So it's not about it's trying
Speaker 3: to get that engagement and to get the most posts
Speaker 3: possible or the most likes possible, So that doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: There's no filter to say this is actually really crap.
Speaker 3: It's just about getting that algorithm right. But this is
Speaker 3: the one that made me think of what you were
Speaker 3: just talking about before and switching off. I love the
Speaker 3: paradox of boredom. We walk around with the most powerful
Speaker 3: supercomputers that you can imagine in our pocket, and the
Speaker 3: reality of that means the second that you get bored,
Speaker 3: and I do this all the time. I swipe, I
Speaker 3: jump on, I look at it, and for me it's
Speaker 3: reading articles or whatever it happens to be looking at
Speaker 3: YouTube reels. But the reality of it is, we don't
Speaker 3: get bored anymore because we've always got something there to
Speaker 3: keep us entertained. And boredom is what fuels creativity, not
Speaker 3: having technology. So because our brains are constantly looking for
Speaker 3: that excitement, it's there all the time. But if we
Speaker 3: take that away, if we say to ourselves, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go cold turkey on this, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go Could you imagine going away for a weekend and
Speaker 3: not taking your phone? Yeah, I've beach or going like
Speaker 3: or a walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that, if I'm being honest, would that scare
Speaker 1: me a little bit? It would, which is probably why
Speaker 1: the fuck I should do it. I think we bullshit ourselves.
Speaker 1: I think most people that I know, I don't think
Speaker 1: you're one. I'm not Tiff would have to decide for myself,
Speaker 1: but most people that I know, including me, actually have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: life destroying, but I'm like, I definitely have something that
Speaker 1: I need to put on my big boy pants and go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I waste time and I do the thing that I
Speaker 1: tell people not to do, and I don't even I
Speaker 1: kind of choose it.
Speaker 2: But you know, the story is always I'm just going
Speaker 2: to see what's happening with this, And then forty minutes later,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even know what started me. But
Speaker 2: here I am forty minutes later, and I've just wasted
Speaker 2: forty minutes of energy and fucking time productivity. You know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what I should bring up this
Speaker 3: next topic because I know that you're going to ridicule me.
Speaker 3: And I was watching a documentary recently on a new
Speaker 3: term in the community online called gooning. Do you know
Speaker 3: what gooning is? Do either of you know what gooning is?
Speaker 2: I do not carry on.
Speaker 3: I feel like the person, why why do you do.
Speaker 1: This if you know it's going to not produce a
Speaker 1: good response. What's your agenda? What's your reason?
Speaker 3: I have no agenda. I'm trying to educate the masses
Speaker 3: to masses.
Speaker 2: Can look at you, Jesus, trying to educate the masses.
Speaker 3: Two masses debating? No, okay, because okay, so gooning is
Speaker 3: a term that's used to prolong the sexual build up.
Speaker 1: Wow, right, so well there's only one of us, well
Speaker 1: one two of us on this goal.
Speaker 3: For whom that is relevant, well yeah, anyway, it could
Speaker 3: be one.
Speaker 1: But I did the same thing with food. I just
Speaker 1: walk around it for half an hour and think about it.
Speaker 3: But the frightening thing about this documentary that I saw
Speaker 3: is that people can engage in this by just looking
Speaker 3: at pornography. They have multiple screens, projectors, and all they
Speaker 3: do is they spend a whole lot of time. We're
Speaker 3: talking hours, eight hours, nine hours, ten hours just looking
Speaker 3: at pornography. And there's a whole online communities that are
Speaker 3: now dedicated to this. So once upon a time, it
Speaker 3: was kind of embarrassing, Oh well you know, I kind
Speaker 3: of that person did whatever. But now it's become a
Speaker 3: whole thing. But talk about throwing your life away. I
Speaker 3: mean I couldn't imagine spending a whole day like yeah anyway.
Speaker 1: But I find that sad because that one hundred percent
Speaker 1: nobody's doing that who's not an addict. Yeah, nobody's doing
Speaker 1: that for any logical, healthy reason. Yeah, I mean all
Speaker 1: of those people are addicted. Could be anything else. But
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't know that's stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Then well, artificial intimacy. And I'm kind of jumping off
Speaker 3: that topic. But on that same list that I was
Speaker 3: talking about the blog, you know, I had a young
Speaker 3: guy who was sharing a long story anyway, lived me
Speaker 3: be for three years, got kicked out of home. He
Speaker 3: and his girlfriend were sitting on the couch once and
Speaker 3: they were they were comparing how many friends they had
Speaker 3: on their Facebook, on their facebooks, and I thought, they're
Speaker 3: not your friends. You know, this artificial intimacy. You know,
Speaker 3: no one on your Facebook list, if you've got a
Speaker 3: thousand Facebook friends, No, they're not your friends.
Speaker 2: But do you know what is interesting? One, you're correct.
Speaker 1: Two from a psychological, sociological, and experiential.
Speaker 2: Perspective, this is what I think.
Speaker 1: Let's say somebody's got an AI friend and the net
Speaker 1: result of their AI friend is positive. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's always a case, of course it isn't. But somebody
Speaker 1: who lives in rural wherever they live ten miles from
Speaker 1: the next house, they're a bit disconnected. Maybe they've got
Speaker 1: a few personal challenges, but every day they get up
Speaker 1: and they talk to this friend and for them they
Speaker 1: feel better, they feel you know, and obviously it's not
Speaker 1: a real human and obviously the emotions.
Speaker 2: The other way anyway are not real. But for the.
Speaker 1: Person, those emotions and feelings might be real, which means
Speaker 1: the net result the experience is good, which is not
Speaker 1: saying I think everyone should be doing that. But I
Speaker 1: think this area of the impact of relationships with different
Speaker 1: forms of technology, I think that's going to become more
Speaker 1: and more of a thing because I think.
Speaker 2: People are going to more and more people are.
Speaker 1: Going to have, for want of a more accurate term,
Speaker 1: relationships with virtual entities.
Speaker 3: I want one. I can't wait. I cannot wait, And
Speaker 3: I think we talked about it on the last podcast.
Speaker 3: I want an AI assistant. You know in the Iron
Speaker 3: Man film's table that's different.
Speaker 1: An II assistant is not an emotional relationship.
Speaker 2: But if we're talking about intimacy, but.
Speaker 3: No, I'm thinking, like in your case, you've got Melissa,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that where you've got someone you can talk to,
Speaker 3: you can kind of say, well, what's happening today, what's up?
Speaker 3: You know, have a full on confirmation. I know what
Speaker 3: you're saying. But I think that eventually the more you
Speaker 3: rely on that. I mean in the I'm talking about
Speaker 3: a movie here, but we all felt kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: warm about Javis, the AI that Tony Stark uses. I thought,
Speaker 3: I want him to be my friend too. So I think,
Speaker 3: even though we know it's an AI, even though we
Speaker 3: know it's a chat bot or whatever, that it would
Speaker 3: be impossible not to form some sort of connection, some
Speaker 3: sort of fondness for that entity that is with you
Speaker 3: every day if you wake up chatting and what am
Speaker 3: I doing today? How can I better do this? Because
Speaker 3: we start to rely on it, and that crutch that
Speaker 3: we start to use, it can be beneficial. It'll be fantastic.
Speaker 3: Don't forget to do this. Don't forget to do that.
Speaker 3: You know, you know we've got this coming up. I
Speaker 3: think that we would eventually form a relationship of sorts
Speaker 3: with whatever AI chat what we're using.
Speaker 1: And put up your hand. If you've ever been in
Speaker 1: an unhealthy human relationship, everyone in the fucking world, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: Tip's ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Come thinking about the impact, the long term impact of
Speaker 5: just another area in our life where we are essentially
Speaker 5: avoiding discomfort because I think about the conversations I've had
Speaker 5: on friendships and relationships where rupture and repair is what
Speaker 5: creates depth and intimacy. And yet then somebody chooses this
Speaker 5: AI version of friendship which gives them all the feel goods.
Speaker 4: But it's another area that.
Speaker 5: We always having every other area of life where we
Speaker 5: don't have to get uncomfortable, and in future then we
Speaker 5: avoid it more and more, and what little connection we
Speaker 5: already had with real people will have less of because
Speaker 5: it's too hard. I'm not willing to get uncomfortable. I'm
Speaker 5: not willing to express needs or show up for the
Speaker 5: other person because in this relationship with AI, it's all
Speaker 5: about me.
Speaker 3: It's one sided. Yeah, that's so interesting, Tip, I actually
Speaker 3: really like that point. I've often talked. You know, I've
Speaker 3: got really close friends that have very differing political views,
Speaker 3: I mean extremist political views. You know, they think veganism
Speaker 3: is a wank. They like Donald Rump, you know they Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's quite funny, and and but I like them a lot.
Speaker 3: They're the lovely people. They're great friends. And if I
Speaker 3: had an AI chatbot, it would just agree with everything
Speaker 3: that I said. I love what you just said, Tip,
Speaker 3: It's so true, and I love the challenges. I love
Speaker 3: the diversity of people in my life. I like people
Speaker 3: to argue with me, tell me I'm wrong, you know,
Speaker 3: nag me for leaving my wallet in the car. But
Speaker 3: the reality of it is here, who wants a whole
Speaker 3: lot of yes men around you just kind of they're
Speaker 3: telling you that you're great all the time.
Speaker 5: How good is it when you've got a friend and
Speaker 5: they're having a hard time and you get to show
Speaker 5: up for them?
Speaker 4: Well I was not going to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you make valid points. I think.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're both saying. I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit situation and context dependent, you know. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have anyone that gives a
Speaker 1: fuck about them, like really really really loves them and
Speaker 1: really cares. And there are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are deeply, deeply sad and disconnected and alone. And I
Speaker 1: don't for any minute think that AI is the answer
Speaker 1: to that, just like I don't think one person is
Speaker 1: the answer.
Speaker 2: For any do you know what I mean? I think
Speaker 2: the answer is us trying to figure out ourselves and
Speaker 2: to understand our.
Speaker 1: Own mind and our own emotions and our own behaviors
Speaker 1: and our own subjective experience of life and to work
Speaker 1: through that. But I think it's like it's for some
Speaker 1: people it's going to be a positive addition to their life,
Speaker 1: and for some people it's going to lead to some unhealthy, toxic, devastating,
Speaker 1: bloody relationship or shudo relationship. But just like you know,
Speaker 1: you've got someone in your life now, and from the
Speaker 1: outside looking into it, if it seems to me overwhelmingly positive,
Speaker 1: you know, but then you've also had other humans in
Speaker 1: your life where that was the opposite, and the same
Speaker 1: with me, It's like, I don't think because you know,
Speaker 1: we build this connection, rapport and trust and love, which
Speaker 1: is great, but as we know, that doesn't all ways
Speaker 1: work out over the long term. So but you're right
Speaker 1: in that, you know, being able to have hard relationships
Speaker 1: and to be reflective and to be able to kind
Speaker 1: of figure out what's going on with me really and
Speaker 1: what's going on with me in relation to other people.
Speaker 1: But I think nonetheless that moving forward, there will be
Speaker 1: you know, in a decade, the prevalence of these kinds
Speaker 1: of relationships I think is going to be high high.
Speaker 2: Patrick.
Speaker 1: Let's digress a little bit, because I saw this on
Speaker 1: Telly or somewhere I saw this about this dude who
Speaker 1: was trying to hack his robot. He's a programmer, and
Speaker 1: he hacked his bloody vacuum he's robot vacuum because he
Speaker 1: wanted to use it with his game console. And he
Speaker 1: ended up hacking six seven hundred vacuums around America and
Speaker 1: he could see into all these like he could literally
Speaker 1: had video into all of these homes in real time of.
Speaker 2: What people were doing. That's wasn't it. Yeah, that's fucking terrifying.
Speaker 3: So Dji is the company that makes the amazing drones
Speaker 3: that are very popular around the world. I think I've
Speaker 3: exclusively had Dji drones. I still fly them. But they
Speaker 3: released the Dji Romo robot vacuum cleaner recently. And so
Speaker 3: this guy who was a bit of a security expert
Speaker 3: and decided he wanted to use his joystick controlleries and
Speaker 3: you know, his game control I think was the Xbox
Speaker 3: controller or to control the vacuum. Thought would be a
Speaker 3: bit fun, and then realized getting into the base code
Speaker 3: that because they talked back to the bay station and
Speaker 3: they learn because the idea of these robot vacuums is
Speaker 3: they look at the world around them. They map the
Speaker 3: area and then they use that to be able to
Speaker 3: effectively clean better. But yeah, this is amazing. So he
Speaker 3: didn't need a security pin or anything because he already
Speaker 3: had an account. He was able to log in and
Speaker 3: get access to other vacuum cleaners. And the scary thing
Speaker 3: is that they have light sensors that can sense the
Speaker 3: objects around them. They make maps of the house, and
Speaker 3: they also have cameras. It's a frightening thought that someone
Speaker 3: could then literally use your own device against you, to
Speaker 3: spy on you, to map out your house, to look
Speaker 3: at what you've got.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, as I understand it, correct me if
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, but yet one that is fucking terrifying.
Speaker 1: But the dude who did that obviously did it accidentally.
Speaker 1: Then he went to whoever he needed to go to
Speaker 1: and went, hey, guess what, I did this accidentally and
Speaker 1: kind of put up his hands so that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be charged with any kind of I'm sure that's that's
Speaker 1: a crime if he was doing it intentionally. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he just demonstrated to them that their system
Speaker 1: or their.
Speaker 2: Tech was relatively hackable and flawed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a lot of white they call them
Speaker 3: white hat hackers out there that actually support the industry.
Speaker 3: They look for vulnerabilities. Google has a competition that it
Speaker 3: runs to try to get people to find vulnerabilities in
Speaker 3: its systems, and then it gives them, it rewards them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there are a lot of really good programmers
Speaker 3: out there who were altruistic and in some cases get
Speaker 3: rewarded for that. But I thought this was interesting. And
Speaker 3: the other thing as well. I didn't realize that robot
Speaker 3: vacuum cleaners have microphones in them as well, the ultimate
Speaker 3: spy device in the way.
Speaker 2: Why would they need that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe you can talk to them, Crago. It's like, hey,
Speaker 3: little fella came over here. It's pretty lowly at my joint.
Speaker 2: So they're launching a timber, yeah, wooden satellite that surely
Speaker 2: that seems inconsistent with going into space like shit burning up.
Speaker 3: No, No, quite the opposite. In fact, it's and shit
Speaker 3: burning up is exactly right, So you're kind of right
Speaker 3: and wrong. There was a bit of work done on
Speaker 3: the International Space Station, and I think we chatted about
Speaker 3: this maybe two years ago, where they were testing different
Speaker 3: sorts of wood to see what their resilience was like
Speaker 3: in space. Space debris and the chemicals that are released
Speaker 3: into the atmosphere when a lot of satellites burn up
Speaker 3: in the atmosphere, Aluminium, that sort of stuff are actually
Speaker 3: quite toxic chemicals. And so a Japanese company has been
Speaker 3: doing a lot of research into the concept of encasing
Speaker 3: the satellite in wood, and it looks like that the
Speaker 3: Ligno SAT is the first wooden satellite that's going to
Speaker 3: be sent into space. And the reason that it's going
Speaker 3: to be great is because when it eventually expires, it's
Speaker 3: used by date. When it burns up in the atmosphere,
Speaker 3: it's just wood, and it's not going to release I mean,
Speaker 3: it's still going to have obviously electronics inside it, you know,
Speaker 3: they're not carving up transistors like hand camping transistors. But
Speaker 3: the bulk of the satellite, the exterior part, and it's
Speaker 3: quite durable. The interesting thing that came out of this
Speaker 3: research on the International Space Station is when you take
Speaker 3: wood into space, there's no back to and there's no
Speaker 3: moisture the things that normally will cause wood to rot,
Speaker 3: so all the you know, and so when you think
Speaker 3: about it. It's the perfect material to go out into
Speaker 3: space because it's it's going to be fairly resilient. And
Speaker 3: that's what came up during this research study. And now
Speaker 3: the practical example is it looks like they're going to
Speaker 3: fire off this, not fire off, they're going to put
Speaker 3: it on board a launch saddle, a launch rocket, and
Speaker 3: wooden satellites would be great.
Speaker 2: Based on your no bacteria and no, what was the
Speaker 2: other thing you said, like.
Speaker 3: Because it's fro it's cold, So there's so the water
Speaker 3: won't be rotting because bacteria is in water.
Speaker 1: I guess No, No, you said in no space, in space,
Speaker 1: there's like what causes the wood to write normally he's
Speaker 1: not up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, so bacteria and water.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if old mate was in space at
Speaker 1: the space station and someone died and you just pushed
Speaker 1: him out the door, would he just be held in
Speaker 1: state perpetually kind of.
Speaker 2: In space embarment and then you could.
Speaker 1: Go grab him a couple of decades later, when we
Speaker 1: figured out how to kind of restart the bit.
Speaker 2: That broke and just pull him back on board, and
Speaker 2: he's like, fuck, that was a good sleep. Yeah, you've
Speaker 2: been sleeping for twenty five years, bro.
Speaker 3: The Ultimate Crygenics. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Hey, one battery swap, we're talking about cars. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how would you do that? I must be
Speaker 1: done by a machine. A battery slap. I'll swap. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we're talking about EV's in less than zero point five seconds.
Speaker 1: Neo sets new record for four consecutive days. So that
Speaker 1: is battery life in evs and the technology around that
Speaker 1: is changing pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's two aspects to that. So obviously, the
Speaker 3: duration it takes to charge a battery has been a
Speaker 3: bit of a pushback in the market because people do
Speaker 3: want to wait all that time. So in China, Neo
Speaker 3: has they do it. I think they've up over one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five thousand battery swaps since they were
Speaker 3: set up, and that's an amazing amount. So they basically
Speaker 3: have a concept whereby if you buy this car, there
Speaker 3: are all these service stations that are around China that you
Speaker 3: can go to where you do a swap and go
Speaker 3: so you don't charge the battery. They have a stock
Speaker 3: supply of ready charged batteries and they swap and go
Speaker 3: and the swap stations are now getting more batteries, they're
Speaker 3: getting faster the technology because it used to take a while.
Speaker 3: It used to take five minutes, four to five minutes
Speaker 3: for the battery to be taken out and then swapped,
Speaker 3: but now it's a lot more efficient. They've got a
Speaker 3: lot better with it. And I know we spoke about
Speaker 3: this with the motorcycle manufacturers, the top I think top
Speaker 3: three motorcycle manufacturers, but they just electric cycles haven't taken
Speaker 3: on very much. The e bikes have and they're ridiculously fast,
Speaker 3: and legislations trying to catch up with that. The latest
Speaker 3: on that is that I know I'm digressing, but the
Speaker 3: latest on the e bikes thing is that they want
Speaker 3: to actually classify them as motorbikes and make people will
Speaker 3: have bikes bike licenses to be.
Speaker 1: Able to well, they are essentially a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing that non motorbike people don't
Speaker 1: really get about motorbikes, and Tip can speak to this
Speaker 1: is who the fuck wants to ride something that's silent,
Speaker 1: Like for me, it's about it's about the visceral, the vibration,
Speaker 1: it's about the noise, it's about the throttle response, it's
Speaker 1: about like and also one of the reasons people love
Speaker 1: evs is because they're much faster than fuel cars or
Speaker 1: internal combustion engines, right, but that's not the case with motorbikes.
Speaker 1: Like my motorbikes are faster than you need. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless, I think they will take off, and they
Speaker 1: are building, but I think it's going to be a
Speaker 1: slower uptake because most motorcyclists ride them because they love motorbikes,
Speaker 1: whereas a lot of people drive because they've got to
Speaker 1: get from A to B.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I was fascinated to see
Speaker 3: that earlier this month, that company Neo with the swapover batteries.
Speaker 3: They did the one hundred millionth battery swap, one hundred
Speaker 3: million battery swap. That's crazy, so is it?
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know. But so, like you
Speaker 2: go to a servo, you put in your patrol, you
Speaker 2: pay your eighty bucks or whatever you pay. So with
Speaker 2: this you go and you get your battery slap swapped over,
Speaker 2: and there's a set like obviously that's not for zero,
Speaker 2: so they must have to go and pay a set
Speaker 2: and fee every time that happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm not entirely sure how
Speaker 3: that how it works, what the charge would be. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but for the convenience, that'd be awesome, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Tip, Would you drive an EV as in a car?
Speaker 1: Have you thought about I mean your cars?
Speaker 2: It's not that at all, but it's what is your
Speaker 2: car four or five years.
Speaker 5: One's at twenty eighteen, so.
Speaker 2: That's eighty ish years old. Would you X car? What
Speaker 2: are the what are the percentage chances of your next
Speaker 2: car being an EV?
Speaker 4: I mean I'm not that far.
Speaker 5: I'm not a real car person, so I don't like
Speaker 5: the driving experience. I just find them. They when they
Speaker 5: take off in front of me or I hear them,
Speaker 5: they still freak me out. I find them weird, especially
Speaker 5: EV buses, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Buses are there, there's not that churning polluted diesel smell.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're sitting behind on a bike, that'd
Speaker 3: be awesome sitting behind an electric.
Speaker 2: Very valid, very valid point, Patrick.
Speaker 1: I have nearly died of carbon fucking monoxide poisoning a
Speaker 1: thousand times, sitting behind fucking buses and trucks that are
Speaker 1: just spewing out toxic shit into my face, that's not
Speaker 1: the attractive part of it, be on the open road,
Speaker 1: the fresh air.
Speaker 3: The interesting point to that is that I think with
Speaker 3: the EV market, my wish for that would be totally
Speaker 3: aonymous EV. So I'm not talking about going for the
Speaker 3: weekend drive. I'm thinking the commute because you put if
Speaker 3: you put AI in charge of EV on the road
Speaker 3: during the commute during the peak hour, I guarantee you
Speaker 3: peak hour won't be as bad as what it is now,
Speaker 3: take the huge kind of human error out of it,
Speaker 3: and that's where I see it would be really good
Speaker 3: for the daily commute. So people could be working in
Speaker 3: their cars listening to an audiobook not having to worry
Speaker 3: about that, no accidents on the roads, or less accidents
Speaker 3: on the road. So I think that's where the combination
Speaker 3: of EV and a AI together would be great. But
Speaker 3: when I had my car windows smashed last week, I
Speaker 3: got a courtesy car through my insurance company, and it
Speaker 3: was the Toyota Corolla Hybrid. And I've got to tell
Speaker 3: you four point eight liters per one hundred kilometers, so
Speaker 3: it ran off the smell of an oily rag. But
Speaker 3: because it's a pretty the Toyota have been doing hybrids
Speaker 3: for a long time. There is a battery button where
Speaker 3: if you stay below forty kilometers an hour, I could
Speaker 3: drive to the supermarket Nana style and not use any
Speaker 3: petrol at all. And that was playing with battery a
Speaker 3: lot when I was driving the car sticking under forty.
Speaker 1: Well, they were pioneers with the press, which was I
Speaker 1: don't know, thirty five years ago, and that was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent ev back then, and we're all like, that's
Speaker 1: fucking that's never going to take off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was going to say to you,
Speaker 2: it's something on the tip of my tongue. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1: That guy Dara from Uber they were talking about.
Speaker 2: This was on Diary of a CEO, Stephen Bartlett.
Speaker 1: They were talking about the reality that autonomous vehicles avs
Speaker 1: are going to overtake or going to play a very
Speaker 1: big role in the Uber space and the.
Speaker 2: Like moving forward.
Speaker 1: And he said, like, they're talking about what are the
Speaker 1: potential hurdles with people getting in a car with no driver,
Speaker 1: and it's all really psychological and emotional, and I would
Speaker 1: have to look at the research, but what he said
Speaker 1: is that it's about ten times safer. So autonomous vehicles
Speaker 1: are about ten times safer than humans driven by vehicles,
Speaker 1: and they've got lots and lots and lots of data.
Speaker 1: It's just that the idea still freaks people out. So
Speaker 1: I would gladly get in an autonomous vehicle. I would gladly.
Speaker 2: I could think of nothing better than just sitting back,
Speaker 2: just doing whatever, or having a snooze. You love driving, though,
Speaker 2: don't you.
Speaker 3: I enjoy driving, and I've got to tell you, I
Speaker 3: was devastated when the car got broken into because I
Speaker 3: love my cart cause I'd never had a new car before.
Speaker 3: It always bought secondhand cars, and the previous car I
Speaker 3: had was probably one of the ugliest cars on the
Speaker 3: market during my reno. Sce Nick McGahan, I know.
Speaker 2: You've had a couple of ugly cars. That fucking this
Speaker 2: and that Burgundy and that was an ugly motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're in my mother Jesus, Like I said,
Speaker 3: I said, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear.
Speaker 3: That's a good looking car. Then, Nissan NXR Coop is
Speaker 3: a bloody good looking car. I got to tell you anyway,
Speaker 3: aside from the insights, because it even had a target roof.
Speaker 3: You could take the roof section trick. Can we stop
Speaker 3: talking about your car? I think we spoke about it
Speaker 3: five times this podcast. Could you get onto some tech news? Okay,
Speaker 3: my latest app session? Can I tell you about my
Speaker 3: latest app?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for God's sake, just don't talk about you fucking
Speaker 1: broken window again.
Speaker 3: I never used it in my car. Okay, you're not
Speaker 3: a law to use your apps on your phone. So
Speaker 3: I found I discovered this app recently called yucker y
Speaker 3: U k A. And what it is. It's a free app,
Speaker 3: doesn't have ads, but you do have a subscription tire.
Speaker 3: But you can go to the souper market and scan
Speaker 3: the barcode of all the products in the supermarket and
Speaker 3: it tells you whether it's good, and it gives you
Speaker 3: a breakdown and it says, okay, this is good for
Speaker 3: this reason, this reason, this reason, but it's bad for
Speaker 3: that reason. It might have too many two caloric so
Speaker 3: it might have too many calories, or it might have
Speaker 3: preservatives in it that are known to be harmful. It
Speaker 3: has changed the way I shop for stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: I use coconut cream in a lot of my pasta
Speaker 3: sources because I don't use real crane. But there were
Speaker 3: nine different creams and coconut milks, and only one of
Speaker 3: them rated good. The rest of them were rated bad.
Speaker 3: So the app's fantastic. And the other thing that I
Speaker 3: can do is I can you can set filters, So
Speaker 3: if you say, for example, were gluten intolerant, you could
Speaker 3: set a gluten intolerant feature, and then when you scan stuff,
Speaker 3: without having to read the barcode or read the contents,
Speaker 3: it'll instantly tell you whether it's safe for you to have,
Speaker 3: or if you've got a nut allergy, or in my case,
Speaker 3: I set it for VA because I can't read bloody
Speaker 3: labels anymore. I need a magnifying glass, or I take
Speaker 3: a photo of the label and zoom in because it
Speaker 3: takes forever to work out what all those numbers mean
Speaker 3: and whether they contain an animal product or if it's
Speaker 3: nuts or whatever. So it's yeah, it's my absolute obsession.
Speaker 3: And the more I tell people about it, the more
Speaker 3: people say, oh, yeah, I got it as well. It
Speaker 3: sounds it's got minivative.
Speaker 2: What's the problem with that? Do you think? What's the
Speaker 2: potential problem with that app? Because I think you and
Speaker 2: I might be thinking the same thing.
Speaker 5: I just opened Chatters, and when is the yaka app
Speaker 5: good and what's its philosophy?
Speaker 4: With what is good?
Speaker 5: In?
Speaker 4: So I think you have to understand what.
Speaker 5: You know about food and additives and like a lot
Speaker 5: of the stuff David Gillespie talks about about seed oils
Speaker 5: and everything, and yeah, what's its philosophy and what's it calling?
Speaker 4: It was like the star rating on foods?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you think Also, sorry, Patrick, I think
Speaker 2: you just and I'm not saying it's bad.
Speaker 1: It could be fucking amazing. So there's no judgment curiosity.
Speaker 1: But like, for example, we have had too many talks
Speaker 1: with David Gillespie about seed oils, but there is some
Speaker 1: astounding science to support what he says. He never makes
Speaker 1: a claim and doesn't back it up with proper research.
Speaker 1: And then last night on the news on Channel seven,
Speaker 1: they're like, ah, all the noise about seed oils, it's
Speaker 1: not true.
Speaker 2: They're all good. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like they were just saying the exact opposite, but
Speaker 1: nobody was referencing anything. Like the thing was, Nah, it's
Speaker 1: not true. I'm a dietitian. It's good. Therefore you should
Speaker 1: believe me because I'm no fuck that that's cool. You
Speaker 1: might be true, you might be right, but give me
Speaker 1: some science, give me some research, show me evidence that
Speaker 1: what you're saying is true, because these things have been
Speaker 1: happening for millennia, where we think something and then we
Speaker 1: find out later like so many drugs like solidamide that
Speaker 1: was given to pregnant women for this and that that
Speaker 1: caused all these deformities. Well, at one stage this was
Speaker 1: the right thing. You should have it, and it was
Speaker 1: devastatedly terrible on women, right, but at one stage that
Speaker 1: was good science. So I think we're so gullible that
Speaker 1: we just go. My question would be with you, yaka
Speaker 1: as you call it, like who science are you using?
Speaker 1: Like what are the criteria that you are saying this
Speaker 1: is good or bad? And how do we know that
Speaker 1: you are right and the other people who say other
Speaker 1: things are wrong. That's and by the way, everyone, I
Speaker 1: have no opinion on it. It could be bloody brilliant
Speaker 1: because I haven't even seen it.
Speaker 2: But that's just what.
Speaker 1: Even when I talk about science, or even when I
Speaker 1: talk about potential behavior or choices around health and wellness,
Speaker 1: I go, this is what I think. I don't go,
Speaker 1: you should all do this because I've read a paper
Speaker 1: or I've trained lots of people or yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think that I think the concept is a good idea,
Speaker 1: but I would just like to dig in.
Speaker 2: And go, what's the science behind it?
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds fucking worrying and I'm raining
Speaker 1: on your parade, but I just think, Eh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the Health Star rating system. Gillespie just wrote
Speaker 1: an article on that. It's fucking incredible. So you get
Speaker 1: something like a with the current Health Star rating system,
Speaker 1: you can have a cereal that's full of process shit
Speaker 1: and sugar.
Speaker 2: Gets four and a half stars. In fact, he had
Speaker 2: a photo of one. And then he had a free
Speaker 2: range organic and I know you're not going to want this, Patrick,
Speaker 2: but steak, so it had the only ingredient was beef.
Speaker 2: It got zero point five stars compared to process sugary.
Speaker 2: Fucking Now, it's like, this is fucking ridiculous and it's
Speaker 2: based on all of these absolutely flawed criteria. But the
Speaker 2: one before that, which was the there's another star rating system.
Speaker 1: The way that people got the stars for their product
Speaker 1: was they bought them. There was no actual analysis, like,
Speaker 1: there was no nutrition, there was no science behind this rating.
Speaker 2: It was like, ah, we have this, we want to
Speaker 2: get your endorsement and they're like, wow, it's thirty grand
Speaker 2: for that. Cool, here's the thirty or whatever. You know, Like,
Speaker 2: it's just this stuff is don't believe everything that you
Speaker 2: hear or see. It's like you've got to learn a bit. Yes, tip,
Speaker 2: you've got your fingers twitching. I can tell, well, just
Speaker 2: was reading.
Speaker 5: Like one of the points that Chatters makes is that
Speaker 5: it judges foods in isolation. For example, olive oil loses
Speaker 5: points for calories, cheese looks worse than diet yogurt and
Speaker 5: honey may not even get a score.
Speaker 4: And then, yeah, we're relying on.
Speaker 5: Being told what to eat, not how to think about
Speaker 5: the food we eat.
Speaker 2: I think the problem is that calories have been demonized.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, dude, you fucking need calories every day.
Speaker 2: It's calories aren't good or bad. It's how many you
Speaker 2: have based on how many you expend. But there are
Speaker 2: some things, certain chemicals and certain flavoroids and fucking preservatives
Speaker 2: that unequivocally bad. So no amount is good. Sorry, Patrick, And.
Speaker 3: It's been really good at educating myself to ultra processed stuff,
Speaker 3: high sodium, that sort of thing. But I think the
Speaker 3: other thing is the filtering for vegan because I can't
Speaker 3: read the labels as well as I used to be
Speaker 3: able to, so being able to quickly do that and
Speaker 3: walk past. But you know, what I found was interesting too,
Speaker 3: is that sometimes the cheapest stuff on the market in
Speaker 3: terms of the amount of additives, because really, shelf life
Speaker 3: is one of these things that producers want to be
Speaker 3: able to have a product that stays on the shelf
Speaker 3: as long as possible. You know, if you open up wraps,
Speaker 3: or you know, if you buy raps at the supermarket,
Speaker 3: the majority of them have a life shelf life of
Speaker 3: like six months. I don't know any bread product that
Speaker 3: should last six months. And even when you open it,
Speaker 3: it can sit in the fridge for two weeks and
Speaker 3: you think hasn't ever got any mold on it. You
Speaker 3: know that you've got to ask the questions. You know,
Speaker 3: those things actually safe. I'm making my own made wraps now,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty happy with myself. So I'm just making it
Speaker 3: from oat flour and lind seed that I mill myself,
Speaker 3: and I've just.
Speaker 2: Think that's a wise decision.
Speaker 1: Also, I just wanted to jump back to what you
Speaker 1: were talking about the nutritional labels, right you can't read them.
Speaker 2: And the reason you can't read them is because it's
Speaker 2: fucking size four fonts on the back of the box
Speaker 2: down the bottom left or right hand corner, because they
Speaker 2: don't want it to get any attention. What was in
Speaker 2: that box was good news for them, it'd be all
Speaker 2: over the front in big letters. So the front is
Speaker 2: an ad. It's not information.
Speaker 1: The shit in that box that they don't want you
Speaker 1: to read, and the ingredients list that they don't want
Speaker 1: you to read, with all those preservatives, additives numbers, that's
Speaker 1: what you fuck. The front of the box. It's an ad.
Speaker 1: It's a trick, it's a fucking it's a delusion. Like
Speaker 1: go to the back and actually try to understand what
Speaker 1: you're putting in your gob We've got to go give
Speaker 1: us one more before we go cham your choice.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. Next week we've got a lunar eclipse
Speaker 3: and it made me think about the new Artemis mission.
Speaker 3: So the Artemis two mission is the astronauts. They're going
Speaker 3: to be heading off soon this year. In fact, it's
Speaker 3: only a short time away, and the people in the
Speaker 3: Artomis spacecraft. We're going to go back to the Moon
Speaker 3: they're not landing on the Moon, but they're going to
Speaker 3: go around the Moon and run all these studies. But
Speaker 3: because of the placement of the Moon, they're going to
Speaker 3: be the furthest away from Earth than any other human
Speaker 3: being in his wyow So cool.
Speaker 1: Huh, you would love to go to space when that's
Speaker 1: like that'd be you'd probably chop off a knacker for
Speaker 1: that onenn't you?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I think last month last episode, I talked about a
Speaker 3: company that's sending ashes into space. I want to get
Speaker 3: my ashes sent into space. That's where I'm at. But
Speaker 3: the other thing that I found interesting about the Artemis
Speaker 3: mission is they're equipping the astronauts with ten year old
Speaker 3: DSLR cameras Nicon cameras because there was a nick On
Speaker 3: camera that came out, which is kind of fascinating. The
Speaker 3: camera is twenty sixteen camera, the D five Nikon camera,
Speaker 3: and it's got a it's more resilient to radiation and
Speaker 3: it has a much higher ISO rating, So ISO is
Speaker 3: the sensitivity to light, and it had this ridiculously good
Speaker 3: sensitivity built into it that's more than the comp than
Speaker 3: the current Nikons, which is fascinating, and it means that
Speaker 3: contrast between the darkness of space and any object they're
Speaker 3: taking photographs of. So that's what they're taking with them.
Speaker 3: Ten year old cameras are going to be flying around
Speaker 3: with human beings and going to be the furthest way
Speaker 3: that any human's ever been in history.
Speaker 1: Look at you, just bringing the bloody facts and the
Speaker 1: amusement and the entertainment. Now I heard that you had
Speaker 1: your car broken into. Ah, Patrick, of course can be.
Speaker 1: Somebody wrote in the group, I hate it when you
Speaker 1: ask Patrick where people can find you, Oh, because they
Speaker 1: don't like So now I'm now I'm scared.
Speaker 2: But oh well that's okay. I go.
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Speaker 3: what you want us to do.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was unaware. Thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 3: Tif did you know that I know? And also Tichi
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Speaker 3: and we can do tichee together.
Speaker 1: Well yes, and also everyone, he doesn't get paid, so
Speaker 1: give him a break.
Speaker 2: He's allowed to promote we give him fuck all. You know,
Speaker 2: he's only got he's got a devalued car.
Speaker 1: Now he lives in fucking Upper oh. I can't say
Speaker 1: what I was going to say, but it.
Speaker 3: Would have been hilarious going to say yes exactly.
Speaker 2: But you know who would have sent us an email?
Speaker 2: Someone Tiff, thank you. Have a good Friday, both of you.
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye fair but thanks both of you, and
Speaker 1: thanks listeners,