Speaker 1: Live on Sky News Australia. This is Denique to.
Speaker 2: Georgio, Hello and welcome to the show. Coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: The expenses scandal widens as Susan Lee offers to sit
Speaker 2: down with the Prime Minister to reform entitlements. Victoria exposed
Speaker 2: as the gag order capital of Australia, as the identity
Speaker 2: of a rapist from a high profile family is finally revealed,
Speaker 2: and Labour's social media ban on shaky ground as Reddit
Speaker 2: launcher's high Court action but first tonight, the expenses scandal
Speaker 2: in golfing Canberra is widening by the day.
Speaker 3: It's been revealed.
Speaker 2: Indigenous Australians Minister Melanderri McCarthy build taxpayers almost thirty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a week for staff travel during the election campaign.
Speaker 2: So each week she charged you thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: According to the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority, the Northern Territory
Speaker 2: senator spent more than three hundred and fifty two thousand
Speaker 2: dollars on domestic travel for eighteen employees in the three
Speaker 2: months to July. In fact, she outspent the Foreign Minister
Speaker 2: Penny Wong and Defense Minister Richard Miles by almost fifty
Speaker 2: thousand and one hundred thousand, respectively. Only the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: and former Opposition leader Peter Dutton spent more on staff
Speaker 2: travel during the same period. Look, it's just not stacking up,
Speaker 2: is it now.
Speaker 3: Look the Senator says.
Speaker 2: That travel and expenses have been accessed and reported in
Speaker 2: line with the relevant rules and guidelines. But that's the
Speaker 2: same line we've heard day in, day out from Anaka
Speaker 2: Wells this week to justify her one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: New York flights, the Paris troop, threadbow ski holiday, expensive meals, concerts, events, limousines,
Speaker 2: including taking her husband on some of these lavish adventures.
Speaker 2: So if most of what happens is indeed within the rules,
Speaker 2: then clearly the rules are not working. And if you're
Speaker 2: throw in Green and Senator Sarah Hanson Young splashing fifty
Speaker 2: k of your money to fly her lobbyist husband to
Speaker 2: and from Canberra, and of course Labor Minister Don Farrell
Speaker 2: flying his family around the country at the cost of ninety.
Speaker 3: Thousand dollars, this stinks to the high heavens.
Speaker 2: And after days of stopping short of calling for a review,
Speaker 2: Kieran Gilbert on Sky News revealed today that Opposition leader
Speaker 2: Susan Lee has written a letter to the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: offering bipartisan report reform on the expense of scandal.
Speaker 4: I can sit down with the Prime Minister anytime and
Speaker 4: go through measures that he would like to propose to
Speaker 4: implement to restore that public trust in the system that
Speaker 4: delivers these entitlements to parliamentarians. That's really important because my
Speaker 4: focus now is actually on people who are struggling in
Speaker 4: the lead up to Christmas and what this means for them.
Speaker 2: Good on Susan Lee, who, of course herself has previously
Speaker 2: been caught up in a skill you recall in twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen she u is a taxpayer funded trip to purchase
Speaker 2: an apartment on the Gold Coast and build taxpayers to
Speaker 2: attend two New Year's Eve events hosted by a prominent
Speaker 2: Queensland businesswoman and donor. That scandal forced her resignation, so
Speaker 2: it's kind of an extraordinary turn of events now for her.
Speaker 2: But any review into entitlements could engulf both sides of politics.
Speaker 2: The reality is there is no political cover when the
Speaker 2: political class are conducting themselves in a way that is
Speaker 2: beyond what is expected, and after ducking and weaving any
Speaker 2: accountability this week, Labour is now apparently open to change,
Speaker 2: but it won't do so off its own accord. It
Speaker 2: will only do it if recommended by the Independent Watchdog
Speaker 2: after it reviews Minister Wells as spending.
Speaker 5: That's obviously an opportunity for them to have a look
Speaker 5: at those claims, but also to provide any broader advice
Speaker 5: and recommendations about these rules. I think these rules are important.
Speaker 5: We would welcome that advice and recommendations if they then
Speaker 5: have to be enacted through legislation. I'm sure that's what
Speaker 5: we would do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Susan Lee says that that doesn't even go far enough.
Speaker 4: What Minister Anika Wells has done is scandalous, clearly scandalous,
Speaker 4: and the whole country is reeling from all of the
Speaker 4: information that they've received about what she has done. She
Speaker 4: has not shown an ounce of contrition, but it is
Speaker 4: incumbent on the Prime Minister who trumpeted this code of conduct,
Speaker 4: who talked about transparency and integrity and new standards and
Speaker 4: on and on and on. Why is he silent about
Speaker 4: this minister?
Speaker 2: And it's a good question, why is the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: so silent. The Albanezer government has already twice delayed a
Speaker 2: major review of travel rules and entitlements, including as recently
Speaker 2: as March this year, when it postponed the probe until
Speaker 2: late t twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Why the secrecy? What has labor got to hide?
Speaker 2: And perhaps this is why the PM ran away at
Speaker 2: every opportunity when the very topic was raised this week.
Speaker 6: I haven't changed I haven't changed the rule. I haven't
Speaker 6: changed the rule. I'm not the finance minister. I haven't
Speaker 6: changed the rule. One of the issues of Minister Wells,
Speaker 6: for example, has three young children. She go birth to
Speaker 6: twins while in office.
Speaker 1: The rules have.
Speaker 6: Been there since they were put in place by the
Speaker 6: former government. When my son was above as some of
Speaker 6: you would know him, for all of that time. A
Speaker 6: turned twenty five on Monday. I should bring him down
Speaker 6: to Parliament when Parliament sat that made it possible for
Speaker 6: me to do my job.
Speaker 2: Well, this is a Prime Minister who loves to shift
Speaker 2: the blame, pretend like nothing has happened so he can
Speaker 2: keep his head buried in the sand.
Speaker 3: And we've seen it all before.
Speaker 6: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
Speaker 6: advised about that contact with Ram.
Speaker 7: And that should up following those strikes further night.
Speaker 8: No, well, I've been here in Melbourne, so no, I
Speaker 8: had not.
Speaker 6: I stepped back one step.
Speaker 5: I didn't fall off.
Speaker 6: The stage, just one leg went down.
Speaker 9: But I was sweet.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He loves his excuses, doesn't he.
Speaker 2: And this week should have been a big moment for
Speaker 2: Labor as it unveiled its social media ban for under sixteen's,
Speaker 2: but the expense of Saga has completely overshadowed it, and
Speaker 2: speaking of the band has already hit its first hurdle.
Speaker 2: US online platform Reddit has today filed a challenge against it,
Speaker 2: claiming the ban infringes on free political speech and poses
Speaker 2: serious privacy risks.
Speaker 3: I wonder what Donald Trump thinks of it.
Speaker 2: Now to the worst kept secret in Melbourne and a
Speaker 2: shocking example of how that state suppressed open justice to
Speaker 2: keep the full details of a rape case involving the
Speaker 2: rich and famous hidden from you.
Speaker 3: You might have heard of the case.
Speaker 2: Of a twenty three year old man from a high
Speaker 2: profile Victorian family who was convicted of rape a week
Speaker 2: ago today and whose name was suppressed by the court.
Speaker 2: Well yesterday that gag order was lifted and Tom Sylvanney,
Speaker 2: the son of AFL Carlton Great Stephen Sylvanny, was named
Speaker 2: as the rapist, and if you follow AFL, the Sylvanni
Speaker 2: surname is a dynasty. His brother Jack Sylvanney, currently plays
Speaker 2: for Saint Kilda. His mother, Joe Sylvanney, is a TV
Speaker 2: personality and former host on Sale of the Century. But
Speaker 2: Tom's case has been shrouded in secrecy after multiple suppression
Speaker 2: orders were granted on the grounds of mental health and
Speaker 2: to avoid reputational harm to his famous family. But it
Speaker 2: was never really a secret. A quick Google search, a
Speaker 2: look on social media, name was everywhere. Tom Sylvanni rapist,
Speaker 2: Tom Sylvanney rape case. These were some of the searches
Speaker 2: on Google, even on TikTok. Despite the court's gag, Yet
Speaker 2: the lens gone to suppress this case and his identity
Speaker 2: a quite frankly extraordinary and I'll get to that in
Speaker 2: a moment. But here is how the case unfolded.
Speaker 10: Twelve jurors unanimously agreed a son of this high profile
Speaker 10: Melbourne couple raped a woman twice. We can't tell you
Speaker 10: the man's name or identify his famous family for legal reasons.
Speaker 3: Do you look at your son differently? Today.
Speaker 10: Their son is in custody tonight after the sensational conclusion
Speaker 10: to a ten day trial. He denied the crimes. At
Speaker 10: his Melbourne home. In January last year, a woman claimed
Speaker 10: he raped her in a dark room, pretending to be
Speaker 10: another man who she had a sexual relationship with. Afterwards,
Speaker 10: he docted an uber receipt to back his version of
Speaker 10: the events that night.
Speaker 2: Tom Sylvanney had been working as an AFL player manager,
Speaker 2: and a ban on his identity was in place for
Speaker 2: five hundred and forty five days. His family through what
Speaker 2: would have been hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees,
Speaker 2: backed up by the who's who of King's Counsel, to
Speaker 2: convince the court that their son, who sexually assaulted a woman,
Speaker 2: needed protection. But the protections he was granted even after
Speaker 2: he was found guilty of rape, are a blight on
Speaker 2: the legal system, and the timeline of events has been
Speaker 2: laid bare. In The Herald's Sun, Sylvanney was charged with
Speaker 2: rape on June fourteenth last year, hours after the first
Speaker 2: intim suppression order was made and granted in the Melbourne
Speaker 2: Magistrate's Court, suppressing his identity. The Herald's Son then published
Speaker 2: an article describing him as an AFL industry identity from
Speaker 2: a well known AFL family. Neither his name nor the
Speaker 2: employer were referenced, but the paper was hauled before a
Speaker 2: magistrate over the story and was ordered to pay Sylvanney's
Speaker 2: cost of the hearing, the legal cost for Sylvanney's legal team,
Speaker 2: plus a separate barrister for his mother. Magistrate Brett's Sonnet
Speaker 2: then slapped an even stricter gag order that there be
Speaker 2: no publication whatsoever, directly or indirectly, of any information concerning
Speaker 2: the proceeding. On February four, details of the rape were
Speaker 2: aired for the first time and Sylvanney was ordered to
Speaker 2: stand trial. The suppression order was set to lift three
Speaker 2: months later, but by April, his defense barrister, David Hallows
Speaker 2: SC pushed for another suppression order to quote protect the
Speaker 2: safety of his client during the trial. Judge Peter Rosen
Speaker 2: sided with the media and the prosecution and opposed it,
Speaker 2: but it didn't end there. The defense barrister immediately applied
Speaker 2: for a judicial review, calling for a Supreme Court judge
Speaker 2: to examine the ruling, and so on August fifteen, Supreme
Speaker 2: Court Justice Michelle Quigley ruled that Judge Rosen was in error,
Speaker 2: and another suppression order was made no November twenty one,
Speaker 2: A final suppression order was made days before the trial
Speaker 2: was set to start, and it didn't end there. On
Speaker 2: day one of the trial, Judge Gregory Lyon warned, I
Speaker 2: want to make this absolutely clear. Read my lips and
Speaker 2: listen to this message. There is to be no reporting
Speaker 2: of this case.
Speaker 3: Full stop. Now.
Speaker 2: Media sought clarification and ultimately made a decision to go
Speaker 2: ahead anyway and air the trial, albeit name suppressed. Silvani
Speaker 2: was then found guilty and his name was still gagged.
Speaker 3: And what did it achieve? Nothing?
Speaker 2: His name was out there in public, circulating all over
Speaker 2: social media, and all it did was create gossip, innuendo
Speaker 2: and drew even more public speculation.
Speaker 3: Who is the high profile family or you didn't have
Speaker 3: to look hard to find it? Now.
Speaker 2: I worked as a reporter for more than ten years,
Speaker 2: and I too have been involved in matters where the media,
Speaker 2: where media outlets I've worked for have taken suppression orders.
Speaker 2: And I'm talking big cases. One example was the Claremont's
Speaker 2: serial killer in Western Australia. But I've never ever heard
Speaker 2: of a case like the Sylvannis before to be so
Speaker 2: gagged from start to end even after a verdict.
Speaker 3: As lawyer Justin.
Speaker 2: Quill, who I'll speak to shortly rites in the Australian today,
Speaker 2: you might think this is an unusual or unprecedented case.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately not. In Victoria.
Speaker 2: Suppression orders are so common in that state that this
Speaker 2: year there are more suppression orders made there than in
Speaker 2: all the other states combined. Tom Sylvanney is a convicted rapist.
Speaker 2: He never deserved the private treatment, but he got an
Speaker 2: invisibility cloak because of his family and under the guise
Speaker 2: of mental health.
Speaker 3: On that Justin Quill rights.
Speaker 2: Mental harm is the new battleground in the fight against
Speaker 2: suppression orders and a big reason for the large number
Speaker 2: of suppression orders made in Victoria. Defendants visit a psychiatrist
Speaker 2: and tell them some facts about their mental well being.
Speaker 2: The psychiatrist isn't required to test their patient's facts. They
Speaker 2: accept them. Then the facts appear in the psychiatrist report
Speaker 2: submitted to the court and effectively become unchallenged evidence. Now,
Speaker 2: the Open Court's Act says anyone charged with an offense
Speaker 2: should be identified, Yet his case went to three different
Speaker 2: court jurisdictions in the name of suppression.
Speaker 3: Judge Andrew Palmer called.
Speaker 2: For a review yesterday due to the significant public interest
Speaker 2: in the case. He told the defense everybody knows on
Speaker 2: social media that the person convicted of rape in this
Speaker 2: court from a high profile family is mister Sylvanney. He
Speaker 2: added that even people outside of legal circles had personally
Speaker 2: told him Sylvanney had been convicted of rape, and so
Speaker 2: he was finally able to be named. All that to
Speaker 2: protect a convicted rapist, a man who now awaits sentencing.
Speaker 2: All should be equal before the law, regardless of wealth,
Speaker 2: regardless of who you are or who you're found is
Speaker 2: because what.
Speaker 3: Precedent does this set?
Speaker 2: Well, if you've got deep pockets and your claim mental health,
Speaker 2: then you just keep winning a gag order after gag
Speaker 2: order because judges.
Speaker 3: Can't or just won't challenge it.
Speaker 2: But that's just another day in Victoria, the gag order
Speaker 2: capital of Australia. All right, let's get into the day's news.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Joining me is a shadow Attorney General, Andrew Wallace. Andrew,
Speaker 2: good to see you as always, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for joining me. Let's start with the expenses scandal. Susan
Speaker 2: Lee today is offering a bipartisan expenses reform. Effectively, she's
Speaker 2: almost forcing the Prime Minister's hand on this. Are you
Speaker 2: concerned about how many MPs or senators on both sides
Speaker 2: of politics could now get caught up if indeed there
Speaker 2: is some sort of a reform.
Speaker 11: Well, I think Susan's right to write to the Prime
Speaker 11: Minister and ask him for a meeting to discuss how
Speaker 11: these expenses can be reformed, because it's not just a
Speaker 11: matter of whether something complies with the letter of the law.
Speaker 11: Australians are doing it incredibly tough at the moment, Damika.
Speaker 11: We're in a cost of living crisis. It's Christmas time.
Speaker 11: There are many people who can't afford to pay their
Speaker 11: bills and pay presents, pay for presents for their kids.
Speaker 11: And to hear some of the absolutely outrageous costs that
Speaker 11: are being clocked up to the Australian taxpayer, it really
Speaker 11: angers me. I've got to tell you, because it just
Speaker 11: becomes sort of like a pox on both your houses.
Speaker 11: Australians don't care whether you're labor or liberal or whoever
Speaker 11: you are, if you're a politician. As far as Australians
Speaker 11: are concerned, they think that you've got your you know,
Speaker 11: in the trough and that is just not correct for
Speaker 11: the vast bulk of us. But it gives us all
Speaker 11: a bad name.
Speaker 3: Well, look, it absolutely does.
Speaker 2: And it's certainly not what any taxpayer would expect from
Speaker 2: the political class right now. So it'll be very interesting
Speaker 2: to see where this goes. Whether or not the time
Speaker 2: Minister does agree to do some sort of reform, we'll see.
Speaker 2: But of course this has now overshadowed the social media
Speaker 2: ban this week for under sixteen's. We just found out
Speaker 2: today that Reddit, which is a US platform, has filed
Speaker 2: a challenge against the band, claiming it infringes on free
Speaker 2: political speech and poses serious privacy risks. Andrew this was
Speaker 2: of course a bipartisan policy. Do you expect that more
Speaker 2: social media platforms will take action like this against it?
Speaker 11: Look, Tom will tell Daneka, I don't know, is the
Speaker 11: short answer. I don't think anybody does. But the reality
Speaker 11: is that these platforms make billions of dollars from Australians
Speaker 11: and even a whole lot more across the world, and
Speaker 11: the eyes of the world are on these new reforms.
Speaker 11: We saw at the UN that there are many countries
Speaker 11: that are now looking at these reforms. It was a
Speaker 11: coalition policy that we took to the last election. Let's
Speaker 11: be serious about this, where the drag the government kicking
Speaker 11: and scream on this to keep kids safe. So these
Speaker 11: platforms will view these laws in Australia as a litmus
Speaker 11: test and they will do They will stop at nothing
Speaker 11: to try and ensure that, as far as they're concerned,
Speaker 11: it doesn't spread to other countries because they will lose
Speaker 11: hundreds of billions of dollars if other countries start taking
Speaker 11: this up, and I hope they do. I want to
Speaker 11: see kids, not just in Australia protected from these platforms,
Speaker 11: I want to see kids across the world protected from.
Speaker 3: Them as well.
Speaker 2: It's been a fascinating week. Look, I want to get
Speaker 2: to some other topics. It's been a busy news day
Speaker 2: in the last few hours. Britney Higgins is now officially
Speaker 2: bankrupt after the Federal Court on today formally actually approve that,
Speaker 2: of course, following her defamation case lost to former Senator
Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds, and just on that, Linda Reynolds has also
Speaker 2: indicated that she would ask the Corruption watchdog to reopen
Speaker 2: its investigation into that two point four million dollar settlement
Speaker 2: that was of course handed to Britney Higgins from Labor.
Speaker 3: Would you support an inquiry?
Speaker 11: I would absolutely support the Knack reopening this investigation. The
Speaker 11: National Committee, the Corruption Anti Corruption Commission, it is set
Speaker 11: up to establish and investigate whether there was any systemic
Speaker 11: or corrupt conduct on the part of government officials. What
Speaker 11: we have here is a stench over this whole affair.
Speaker 11: We've seen a payment made to Brittany Higgins by the
Speaker 11: Government of some two point four million dollars. Let's just
Speaker 11: put this in perspective for the average Australian punter DNIKA,
Speaker 11: that's twenty seven years of blood, sweat and tears in income.
Speaker 11: Twenty seven years it will take the average Australian to
Speaker 11: earn that sort of money before tax. That is a
Speaker 11: long time. It's a lot of money. And what we
Speaker 11: saw was the Government hand that two point four million
Speaker 11: dollars over to Brittany Higgins in very dubious circumstances where
Speaker 11: Linda Reynolds was refused the right to be able to
Speaker 11: go to a mediation and defend her good name at
Speaker 11: the mediation. She was refused that opportunity. After a half
Speaker 11: day mediation without any proceedings even having been filed in
Speaker 11: the court. That's just it is just mind blowing. And
Speaker 11: that was after an extension of time was provided in
Speaker 11: which Brittany could have actually commenced proceedings. That decision was
Speaker 11: made by the Commonwealth without any reference to Linda whatsoever.
Speaker 11: This stinks to high Heaven. I was really disappointed to
Speaker 11: read the decision of the Knack when they initially dismissed it,
Speaker 11: and I was very pleased to hear that the Commissioner
Speaker 11: the other day said that Linda Reynolds should She's welcome
Speaker 11: to reapply again for a further investigation based on the
Speaker 11: outcomes of the two court cases.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're right, Reynolds has nothing to lose now,
Speaker 2: you've got two judges that have already said no, there
Speaker 2: wasn't a political cover up. We still don't know why
Speaker 2: Britney Higgins was given that two point four million dollars
Speaker 2: of our money. All these years later, we're still none
Speaker 2: the wiser as to actually what went on during that
Speaker 2: time with Labor Andrew Wallace.
Speaker 3: We've got to leave it there.
Speaker 2: Good to catch up as always, Thanks very much for
Speaker 2: joining me on the show.
Speaker 3: Well let's return now. To the story I brought you earlier.
Speaker 2: Tom Sylvanney, the son of AFL Carlton Great Stephen Sylvanney,
Speaker 2: has been named as the high profile rapist whose identity
Speaker 2: up until yesterday was suppressed. Joining me now is Justin Quill,
Speaker 2: partner at top tier law firm Thompson Gear.
Speaker 3: Justin good to catch up. Thanks very much for joining me.
Speaker 2: Firstly, take us through the lens gone through to suppress
Speaker 2: Tom Sylvanney's identity from start to end.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I know you went through a few of them,
Speaker 12: through a few of the steps in your intro. Basically
Speaker 12: I can take the rest of the show if I
Speaker 12: went through all of the steps. But it started back
Speaker 12: June of last year. We've been through at least twelve
Speaker 12: different hearings, and I'm not talking anything to do with
Speaker 12: the criminal case, just his demand for secrecy. We've been
Speaker 12: in the magistrates Court, the County Court, the Supreme Court,
Speaker 12: and we've even had a Court of Appeal proceeding. We
Speaker 12: didn't end up having to have a hearing in that proceeding,
Speaker 12: but we were in the Court of Appeal, Victoria's highest
Speaker 12: court for a time. So this has been going on
Speaker 12: about eight months twelve hearings, four courts, lots of QCs,
Speaker 12: and lots of money I suspect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can imagine his family would have thrown
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars of.
Speaker 3: Money to keep the name suppressed.
Speaker 2: What I don't understand justin is you know we've had
Speaker 2: other high profile cases George pell for example, Bruce Lehman,
Speaker 2: his name was named even before it even went to court. Yet,
Speaker 2: how is it that Tom Silvarney's name was even after
Speaker 2: he was found guilty of rape?
Speaker 3: How does that happen?
Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, the fact that it was suppressed after he
Speaker 12: was found guilty, he was a bit of an admiration.
Speaker 12: It was a timing issue. The order was said to
Speaker 12: go for three months after the trial. That was probably
Speaker 12: a mistake by the court. Ultimately it should have been
Speaker 12: lifted or it shouldn't have been in place in the
Speaker 12: first place, But it very well should have been lifted
Speaker 12: as soon as he was found guilty. It took six
Speaker 12: days for that to happen. I'm glad it did happen
Speaker 12: in the end, But you know you mentioned Bruce Lehman.
Speaker 12: That case happened in a different state. The Cardinal Powell
Speaker 12: case as worth mentioning. Of course, his entire first trial
Speaker 12: where he was found guilty, was also suppressed, and I
Speaker 12: might say dozens of media organizations were actually charged with
Speaker 12: contempt of court for trying to report without naming Cardinal Powell.
Speaker 12: That was a case where his name was all over
Speaker 12: social media, and not dissimilar to this case. People were
Speaker 12: saying that the media were part of a Catholic conspiracy.
Speaker 12: Here it was said on social media and other places
Speaker 12: that the media were part of an AFL conspiracy because
Speaker 12: the public couldn't understand why this person wasn't being named,
Speaker 12: and I tend to understand the public's concern here. Ultimately
Speaker 12: it was because he claimed mental harm and that his
Speaker 12: mental well being was going to be impacted by this.
Speaker 12: He turned up with psychiatrists and was able to a
Speaker 12: chief the order he got, and mainly because it's almost
Speaker 12: impossible for the media to fight these cases. We can't
Speaker 12: disprove what he has told a psychiatrist in the psychiatrist's
Speaker 12: rooms when we're not there, and we can't cross examine
Speaker 12: the Tom Silvannes who are trying to get these orders.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Look, I just find it really bizarre to be honest,
Speaker 2: and you write that great piece in The Australian that
Speaker 2: I referenced earlier, and you spoke about how in Victoria
Speaker 2: when it comes to suppression orders this might seem unusual,
Speaker 2: but it's not over in that state.
Speaker 3: What is going on there? Why is it the gag
Speaker 3: capital of Australia.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, look, as you put it out of your intro,
Speaker 12: there are more suppression orders this year made in Victoria
Speaker 12: than all the other states combined. Now that's an extraordinary statistic.
Speaker 12: It can't be said that, you know, our crime or
Speaker 12: our crooks are a little bit different down here in necessitating.
Speaker 12: That's just not the case. The population, of course, isn't
Speaker 12: more than the rest of the states combined. So there's
Speaker 12: something else. There's a problem with the Frankly, there's too
Speaker 12: many applications being made by barristers. I suspect it might
Speaker 12: be a bit of a hangover of the Ganglan War
Speaker 12: from the early two thousands. But judges also need to
Speaker 12: pay more than lip service to the open core principles.
Speaker 12: Time and time again, I have been before judges where
Speaker 12: they start their judgment saying, I, of course absolutely agree
Speaker 12: and understand and accept and support the open core principles however,
Speaker 12: and then they go on to make a suppression order
Speaker 12: and on this mental harm argument. I can tell your
Speaker 12: viewers that there are a number of cases involving high
Speaker 12: profile people that all your viewers would know going on
Speaker 12: through our courts in Victoria, and we can't tell you
Speaker 12: about it. And we can't tell you the names of
Speaker 12: these high profile of an affluent people because their names
Speaker 12: have been suppressed and I doubt they would have been
Speaker 12: in other states.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all hidden by this invisibility cloak because
Speaker 2: that they're allowed to in Victoria. Absolutely extraordinary, justin Quill.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your analysis. Thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 2: the show. Thank you, and look, it's good that we
Speaker 2: finally have a name after weeks and weeks of this
Speaker 2: trial going on.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break my panel, we'll discuss a
Speaker 2: police memorial vandalized in Melbourne overnight. Plus David Jones admits
Speaker 2: it was a mistake to scrap its iconic Christmas windows.
Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is New South Wales Independent MP Tanya
Speaker 2: Mahalick and forming New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott.
Speaker 2: Good to see you both as always thanks for joining. Look,
Speaker 2: we have to start, of course with this expenses scandal.
Speaker 2: As a current MP and as a former minister, I'm
Speaker 2: very interested to get your thoughts Attaka Wells.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's been an absolute shocker this week, and.
Speaker 13: I have to question why she actually did the interview
Speaker 13: with Andrew Clenell, because he's one of the best, is formidable,
Speaker 13: and she agreed to that and it was a train
Speaker 13: wrek of an interview and of course has provided a
Speaker 13: lot of fodder for the rest of the week as
Speaker 13: every single channel and news medium as really a crucifieder
Speaker 13: and look rightly so, because it doesn't pass the pub test.
Speaker 13: People are talking about this in every workplace. It's just
Speaker 13: extraordinary that somebody could have such a lack of judgment
Speaker 13: when it comes to what is acceptable and what is
Speaker 13: an accept I have to say a bit of confective
Speaker 13: outrage from Susan lay though, and I'm not sure she's
Speaker 13: the right person to offer her assistance in this.
Speaker 14: Well here her background.
Speaker 2: Her argument is is that she's saying I resigned over this.
Speaker 2: I had to resign, therefore you have to resign as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 13: I think they need an independent regulator to come in
Speaker 13: and actually have.
Speaker 14: A really good look at what expenses are acceptable and what's.
Speaker 13: Not, because even the Greens can't moralize given you know,
Speaker 13: normally do given Sarah Hanson Young has spent fifty thousand
Speaker 13: dollars on seventy trips so her husband the last three
Speaker 13: years travel for from Camber Adelaide. So look, I think
Speaker 13: it's been it's been an opportunity for people to really
Speaker 13: have a think about what is acceptable, what isn't acceptable.
Speaker 13: I don't think we can say that, you know, you
Speaker 13: can completely have no travel entitlements.
Speaker 14: Because we do need these politics to do their job.
Speaker 13: But it's about moral judgment, about having that sort of
Speaker 13: integrity and standards in place to actually have a think.
Speaker 13: Would you be happy with this being exposed in the newspaper?
Speaker 14: That's the test.
Speaker 3: Well, one hundred thousand, one hundred.
Speaker 2: Thousand dollars of flights to New York or having a
Speaker 2: limousine waiting for ten hours while you attended, you know,
Speaker 2: a grab by, It doesn't pass the pub test, obviously.
Speaker 2: Now Susan Lee's coming out saying, well, I'm offering you
Speaker 2: bipartisan support. Why don't we have some sort of reform
Speaker 2: on this but that could expose a lot more people
Speaker 2: on both sides.
Speaker 15: Well, they're throwing each other under the bus, so I
Speaker 15: suspect that everybody that's got a skeleton in the closet
Speaker 15: is probably going to want to drag it out themselves
Speaker 15: because it's self inoculation is a lot better than having
Speaker 15: Andrew Clenell find out yodot. So it take it from experience.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 15: I think at the moment, these are big figures. So
Speaker 15: these aren't a helicopter ride, This isn't taxi gate, this
Speaker 15: is nothing like that. These are big, big figures. There's
Speaker 15: the stench of death around around the minister at the moment,
Speaker 15: and Minister Well was at the moment. I think that
Speaker 15: she's going to have to go. I think that I
Speaker 15: think that this the momentum has built up to a
Speaker 15: point where it's aid the point of no return. My
Speaker 15: view is like Joe Halen, she goes now, and she
Speaker 15: might be able to come back and resurrect a career
Speaker 15: after the next election, but this is certainly something that
Speaker 15: is going to take the gloss off of the Prime
Speaker 15: Minister at the end of the year, when you know
Speaker 15: you want to finish the year on a high and
Speaker 15: he certainly hasn't done that well.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, it's overshadowed open under sixteenth social
Speaker 2: media because every press conference day and had Annaka.
Speaker 3: Wells standing the line, him nodding away when the whole.
Speaker 14: Score at least she tells Uples.
Speaker 3: She turns up. That's it. Not that the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: had much to say about this whole issue this week.
Speaker 3: He's been in the not someone else's problem mode. Now look,
Speaker 3: let's talk about this in Victoria. This is shocking.
Speaker 2: A police memorial has been vandalized in the Melbourne CBD overnight,
Speaker 2: which had been set up to remember officers who were
Speaker 2: killed in the line of duty. Red paint was splattered
Speaker 2: over parts of the police memorial on Saint Kilda Road.
Speaker 3: Graffiti was sprayed on the walls, including.
Speaker 2: Shame good cop, dead cop and aca B meaning all
Speaker 2: cops are bastards.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, this is the lowest of the low
Speaker 3: in my view. Tanua oh look absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 13: I have to ask the question our councilors providing CCTV footage,
Speaker 13: there are they supporting them? I mean, when you've got
Speaker 13: such a significant memorial, maybe we do need councils to
Speaker 13: step up and actually ensure there's CCTV trying assist the
Speaker 13: police in actually getting the assailants. And once we catch
Speaker 13: these assailants.
Speaker 14: You know, you're going to throw the book at them.
Speaker 14: You can't just have a judge to slap them on
Speaker 14: the wrist.
Speaker 13: It's actually, you know, do the time for the crime essentially,
Speaker 13: and make sure they pay the costs, the huge costs
Speaker 13: of repairing these type of memorials, and maybe they actually.
Speaker 14: Have to play a role in cleaning up themselves. I
Speaker 14: think it's the only pain is you know, financially hitting
Speaker 14: them where it hurts.
Speaker 13: But look, it just tells you the sort of levels
Speaker 13: of disrespect that we're seeing in some parts, so particularly Victoria.
Speaker 13: Victoria has now had repeat offenses like this where they've
Speaker 13: had a whole string of different memorials being damaged and
Speaker 13: destroyed and what Obviously there's a very relaxed attitude coming
Speaker 13: from the government. There time to start legislating some tough
Speaker 13: laws around this. Maybe there should be some separate offenses
Speaker 13: relating to damaging these.
Speaker 14: Type of memorials because otherwise young.
Speaker 13: People keep doing it, you know, and there's no consequences.
Speaker 2: Well just I mean let's let's start not to give
Speaker 2: Jacinta Tallen any credit that she'll actually do something about this,
Speaker 2: because she hasn't done anything, you know, about anything really,
Speaker 2: but look, this is appalling, you know, targeting police. Is
Speaker 2: that an attitude that you found as a former police minister.
Speaker 3: It's an anti policew it is, and.
Speaker 15: I saw it a lot as veterans minister when it
Speaker 15: came to war memorials as well. This is the violent left.
Speaker 15: This is the aggression, the aggression of the left. They
Speaker 15: don't have the intellectual capability to win an argument in
Speaker 15: a debate, so what they do is they go out
Speaker 15: and they present some shock value to the community. And
Speaker 15: this is very similar the way the Nazis behaved in
Speaker 15: the lead up to in the lead up to the
Speaker 15: growth of the Third Reich. So I think I think
Speaker 15: it's unfortunately behavior here to stay. It's sad because, like
Speaker 15: I used to say when the Greens used to vandalize
Speaker 15: statues of Captain Cook, they are a physical threat to anybody.
Speaker 15: These are memorials, these are statues. They're not a physical
Speaker 15: threat to anybody. But I think it's unfortunately a reccurrence
Speaker 15: and I just feel sorry for the families of the
Speaker 15: constables that are and the police officers that are listed there,
Speaker 15: because they must feel very aggrieved at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very victimized, almost trying to do their job. Look,
Speaker 2: I mentioned the social media ban for under sixteens. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about it. The world's watching. A growing number now
Speaker 2: of Magut Republicans are reportedly calling for the US to
Speaker 2: follow our leed to protect their children from online harm.
Speaker 2: I thought this was interesting, Tanya, because the US online
Speaker 2: platform Reddit today came out taking this social media band
Speaker 2: to court. They say it infringes on freedom of speech
Speaker 2: and infringes on security. I'm not sure how Donald Trump
Speaker 2: would approach something like this. We haven't actually heard from
Speaker 2: Trump yet. I'm curious to know where he would sit
Speaker 2: on a ban of this sort.
Speaker 13: Well, you would think that he wouldn't be that keen
Speaker 13: on it, to be honest, and look, for America, it
Speaker 13: is all about civil liberties and freedom of speech and
Speaker 13: their rights and so forth.
Speaker 14: So I have to say to the US and to
Speaker 14: any other nation.
Speaker 13: Thinking of taking this on, maybe we need to watch
Speaker 13: to see how it plays out. In Australia, Greast, I
Speaker 13: would because at this stage, all we've done is announce it.
Speaker 13: It started now supposedly, we haven't really seen whether this
Speaker 13: is going to be you know, a real exercise and
Speaker 13: actually assisting young people or not. I think ultimately what
Speaker 13: my biggest worry is is you're going to have a
Speaker 13: bureaucracy go wild. Here the ZE Safety Commission, she's on
Speaker 13: four hundred thousands.
Speaker 14: It is how many.
Speaker 13: You know, they'll be hiring an army your online you know,
Speaker 13: pretend police to start monitoring.
Speaker 14: Everybody, and that's going to cost a lot of money,
Speaker 14: and there'll be a lot of issues, and there'll be
Speaker 14: a lot of loopholes too.
Speaker 13: There'll be people coming up with different social media platforms
Speaker 13: to be able to avoid whatever regulation comes out. They've
Speaker 13: already started on this, and I think that this is
Speaker 13: something that the US and others should really watch and
Speaker 13: see whether it's really what worth completely following on Australia,
Speaker 13: does he I think yes, is by part of the
Speaker 13: support here in Australia. In America, I'd hate to see
Speaker 13: it become a real political issue. You know, the Republic
Speaker 13: is a one side of Democrats on the other. I think,
Speaker 13: you know, we have yet to really demonstrate to the
Speaker 13: world that this is successful we're about a year or
Speaker 13: two away, at least in my mind, two years away
Speaker 13: before we can actually argue and say, hey, we've successfully
Speaker 13: banned this. It's a bit like banning the weight, it's
Speaker 13: a bit like banning cigarettes.
Speaker 14: I think it still happens.
Speaker 2: I've thought that affair, and I also think David that
Speaker 2: the big test is going to come now on the
Speaker 2: summer holidays, when kids are off school, when they're probably
Speaker 2: more likely to be using their phones and using social media.
Speaker 2: This is going to be the biggest test for labor
Speaker 2: coming up pretty soon, and let's hope that they're prepared well.
Speaker 15: I'm a fan of it. I think that anything that's
Speaker 15: going to protect kids is a good thing. I think
Speaker 15: it sets the right message. I think it sets the
Speaker 15: right tone. I mean the Americans, they're protecting their kids
Speaker 15: by making sure that the drinking age is twenty one,
Speaker 15: whereas in australia's eating. So they've got a culture of
Speaker 15: protecting children as well. And of course they have the
Speaker 15: death penalty for child sexual assaults in some jurisdiction, so
Speaker 15: I think that the right in America will probably embrace it.
Speaker 15: I'm thrilled that the Daily Telegraph led this campaign. I'm
Speaker 15: having seen some of the awful cases of bullying of
Speaker 15: young people in recent weeks, including the stabbing and in
Speaker 15: Rouse Hill, and including some terrible assaults around Glebe only
Speaker 15: recently and the inner City only recently. This is a
Speaker 15: good message for people. And yes, it's not going to
Speaker 15: be perfect, but let's not let perfection be in the
Speaker 15: way of the good. I mean, it's we want to
Speaker 15: make sure that if it can be improved, we're flexible
Speaker 15: to having it improved.
Speaker 2: While kids are already finding other platforms to use, as
Speaker 2: we just mentioned, and they're already saying.
Speaker 3: I survived the band. You know, they're dancing, they're doing
Speaker 3: all these we've done.
Speaker 13: That's part of it too, David, because you don't want
Speaker 13: another bureaucracy.
Speaker 15: The social media companies doing it already.
Speaker 13: The Safety Commission, I mean, they already said they're going
Speaker 13: to play a huge role, Marris, So who pays for
Speaker 13: that plan?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean who was it going to effect
Speaker 2: ultimately us when we have to put our digital ideas forward.
Speaker 2: So stay tuned for that, David Jones Choper of a week.
Speaker 2: It's admitted that it's made a mistake by scrapping its
Speaker 2: popular Christmas window display this year in favor of a
Speaker 2: reward program and luxury brand display. It's hinted though, that
Speaker 2: it might return next year, saying we acknowledge that this
Speaker 2: year's display has fallen short of expectations and has not
Speaker 2: reflected what many in.
Speaker 3: The community were hoping for.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you too, but you know I
Speaker 2: loved the David Jones display.
Speaker 3: Why don't why change what works?
Speaker 14: I don't get what happened here.
Speaker 13: Look, I think they tried to do what I think
Speaker 13: Wools and Coals and everybody else did around Australia Day.
Speaker 13: You know, the Australian flags and all the Australia Day merchandise.
Speaker 14: So bad move from David Jones.
Speaker 13: Obviously they've learned and they've back flipped and realized it's
Speaker 13: a huge mistake. I don't know why they didn't think
Speaker 13: it was a good marketing strategy for them to bring
Speaker 13: people in. Any event, I would have thought having people
Speaker 13: congregating around David Jones is great for them.
Speaker 14: What you've got to do is enticedled to get inside.
Speaker 13: It was maybe some you know, a little free Christmas
Speaker 13: gift or some special or a discount. I don't know
Speaker 13: why they've done this really bad move. But people are
Speaker 13: really sick of this stuff because, as per usual, it's
Speaker 13: so tired of people attacking Christmas, attacking Christian traditions and
Speaker 13: our heritage as well. And I think David Jones will
Speaker 13: definitely learn the hard way because it'll be less than
Speaker 13: less people wanted to do any of their Christmas shopping
Speaker 13: this year.
Speaker 3: I went to Woolworth's the other day and they were
Speaker 3: selling gingerbread people. So long a gingerbread men.
Speaker 2: They're now not not binary, they're all inclusive.
Speaker 3: But look, David, what do you think? Well, bad move
Speaker 3: by David it was.
Speaker 15: I mean, I remember a couple of years ago clover
Speaker 15: More dumb down Christmas in the city and then she
Speaker 15: got so badly criticized. Now she supercharged it. Sydney is
Speaker 15: you know it's a walking Christmas decoration and so what
Speaker 15: marketing guru in David Jones thought that sort of behavior
Speaker 15: response wasn't going to be similar. And I'd like you
Speaker 15: since my dad, since I was a little boy, took
Speaker 15: me to David Jones and I've just finished taking my
Speaker 15: son's in there. In the lead up to Christmas, it
Speaker 15: has been a big family tradition for fifty years, they've
Speaker 15: done more damage. And I think I personally, and I
Speaker 15: went to have a look at it the other day
Speaker 15: for research purposes, I personally think that they should just
Speaker 15: spend the.
Speaker 13: Weekend recently for itself, suit you went shopping.
Speaker 15: I personally think they should be spending the weekend putting
Speaker 15: the decorations back because next year whatever, that's going to
Speaker 15: be great. But they've got that they've done a lot
Speaker 15: of damage to themselves. They haven't learned, particularly in the
Speaker 15: United States, when you've got all those companies that have
Speaker 15: gone broke.
Speaker 3: Over, these go worke that's what they do. I mean,
Speaker 3: look what happened to Woolias, as you mentioned.
Speaker 2: And we've got to end on David's column, our favorite
Speaker 2: part of the week this week in the Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 3: You're talking about awful Christmas dishes. Please take us through.
Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I don't anybody that wakes up on
Speaker 15: Christmas morning and has to face tripe jelly feel should
Speaker 15: file for divorce. That is an outrageous attempt to really
Speaker 15: dumb You're talking about dumbing down Christmas. So I think
Speaker 15: I think, I think, I think the gourmets of the
Speaker 15: world need to unite, and they need to make some
Speaker 15: of these dishes completely illegal, particularly around the festive.
Speaker 2: So I like Bubble and Squeak as leftovers though, where
Speaker 2: you just mash a bit of everything together, and I
Speaker 2: like it with Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 14: Sprouts are more popular than you think.
Speaker 3: You never never returning to the show has done anything
Speaker 3: you don't like.
Speaker 13: Look, I remember the young kid cabbage rolls having a
Speaker 13: cabbage roll. Well I didn't when I was young, and
Speaker 13: aspect the meat, jelly, meat and jelly jelly, and that
Speaker 13: was really that is East European dish, and it was
Speaker 13: we should call it dog food.
Speaker 3: Now I love it. I'm there you go.
Speaker 14: Oh the other one, cow's tongue.
Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, you haven't heard of that one?
Speaker 14: I know?
Speaker 3: Is that an Eastern European.
Speaker 14: Special specialty as well? Wow? And very horrible memories of
Speaker 14: that as well.
Speaker 3: There you go. I'll come on. You take the Bubble
Speaker 3: and Squeak over, oh yeah, and the dishes over my exactly.
Speaker 15: Ironically. I was at a lunch today and it's like
Speaker 15: served Brussels sprouts. I thought you obviously don't read the tellig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't read a copy, mate, oh they did.
Speaker 2: They just look they've done it, Liberty, don't well, you
Speaker 2: know what, if we're all the spirit of Christmas, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, doesn't you wait? As long as you're with
Speaker 2: your family, That's what I think. Good to see both,
Speaker 2: David Elliott, Tanya ma Hailey.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We'll see you again next week.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: In an ominous sign for US, UK Labour's plan to
Speaker 2: reach net zero by twenty fifty could cost three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty billion pounds. That's more than seven hundred billion
Speaker 2: Australian dollars. Johnny now Is Reform UK Counselor Darren Grimes, Darren,
Speaker 2: good to see you.
Speaker 3: Gee.
Speaker 2: I thought we're in trouble over here in Australia when
Speaker 2: it comes to racington net zero. But it looks like
Speaker 2: the UK is going broke and backwards as well, and
Speaker 2: it's race to renewables.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Denikah, great to be with you. Look the cost
Speaker 7: of going green, right, that's what they say, this is well,
Speaker 7: I don't think it is, Daneka. I think actually this
Speaker 7: is the cost of fanaticism. This is an ideological push
Speaker 7: to make the poorer poorer and colder. You know, the
Speaker 7: so the National Energy System Operator, you know NESSO, it's
Speaker 7: called they've said the quiet part out loud that you
Speaker 7: and I have been saying for quite some time on
Speaker 7: this that Ed miliband the minister in charge his ideology. Well,
Speaker 7: it has a price. Tag, and that's five quid a
Speaker 7: year for every single family, every single household in the
Speaker 7: United Kingdom. Now that's in the middle of a cost
Speaker 7: of living crisis, and the Labor Party are basically happy
Speaker 7: for there to be a green luxury tax on working
Speaker 7: class families, not benefits claimants, not illegal migrants, but those
Speaker 7: in work to meet twenty a target that is so
Speaker 7: extreme that the rest of the world is frankly laughing
Speaker 7: all of the way into their petrol and diesel cars
Speaker 7: whilst we all shivel shiver and all the rest of it.
Speaker 7: You know, China is building a new cold power plant
Speaker 7: every single week, but we're asking pensionism and all the
Speaker 7: rest of it to shell out more money on their
Speaker 7: energy bills that they're struggling to pay so Ed Milliband
Speaker 7: and the Labor Party can feel more virtuous at their
Speaker 7: next climate summit. It's a con, That's why they call
Speaker 7: it cop It's so close to con it's absurd. It's
Speaker 7: economic suicide dressed up as environmental policy. And I find
Speaker 7: it all growth esque, to be perfectly frank with you, Danika.
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's anonymous warning to us. So
Speaker 2: we're also on the renewables only, magic carpet ride and going.
Speaker 3: Broken backwards in the process.
Speaker 2: Darren, this was an extraordinary investigation by the Telegraph. Migrant
Speaker 2: crossings in the English Channel in small boats are now
Speaker 2: bringing heroin into Britain because they're getting in for free.
Speaker 3: There's some sort of deal going on. Tell us more.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's true. So a big expose on the As
Speaker 7: you well know, we have a major crisis at the
Speaker 7: southern border that none of the politicians that's conservative or
Speaker 7: labor politicians seem to be willing to do anything about.
Speaker 7: It's reached this stage because we have a ferry service
Speaker 7: for these criminals. What are criminals who are breaking our laws?
Speaker 7: We used to talk about this in the terms of
Speaker 7: humanitarian crisis, but actually this is a logistics chain for
Speaker 7: national cartels. Whilst Donald Trump is smashing the gangs in
Speaker 7: the Venezuela and all the rest of it, we're basically saying,
Speaker 7: come one, come all to those who want to bring
Speaker 7: Class A drugs into our country. Acting as a taxi
Speaker 7: service for the product. We're merging human trafficking with heroine
Speaker 7: smuggling in a two for one deal for these gangs.
Speaker 7: That's the absurdity that we've got going on here, and
Speaker 7: it's important misery direct to our streets as well as
Speaker 7: a lack of safety for women and girls. It is
Speaker 7: the most absurd state of affairs for a country that
Speaker 7: used to manage the world from Whitehall. We've become a
Speaker 7: total joke, Danika.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look absolutely, Darren, it's extraordinary. And also you know
Speaker 2: what happens when those drugs reach the shore. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just so dangerous for so many reasons.
Speaker 3: Darren Grimes, we're gonna over there.
Speaker 2: Nice to see you as always, Thanks very much for
Speaker 2: joining me. Coming up after the break, the winners and
Speaker 2: losers of the week, including a singer's foul mouthed durrant
Speaker 2: at an audience member, plus a skydiver's lucky escape. That's next,
Speaker 2: and it's that time of the week where we sought
Speaker 2: the winners from the losers, and helping me to do
Speaker 2: that is sky News contributed James grad To have you back.
Speaker 2: Your winner this week is Anaka Wells's husband.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 17: Absolutely, because I think we're making so many good points
Speaker 17: about how entitled politicians feel to the taxpayer dollar this week,
Speaker 17: and they're good points in your analysis was fantastic, but
Speaker 17: I think we also need to step back and go
Speaker 17: how incredible is this guy's life. He's been to AFL
Speaker 17: Grand Finals, He's been to Oasis, he's been to the snow.
Speaker 17: I mean, when I wanted to go watch my beloved
Speaker 17: Denman Nuggets in the NBA Finals, I paid for my
Speaker 17: flight like an idiot. I bought my own tickets like
Speaker 17: a fool.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 17: This guy's got it all figured out.
Speaker 1: I'm very jealous.
Speaker 3: Should have married a politician, Well.
Speaker 17: That was my first mistake.
Speaker 3: You would have got the perks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, you know what, that's actually a good
Speaker 2: point because he has indulged in the lavish lifestyle that's
Speaker 2: been afforded to him because of his wife. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's the missing link out of all this. I
Speaker 2: think you're absolutely spot on.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I had to give my winner this week too at
Speaker 2: Chavorne Murphy. She is a UK interierry designer.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's eighteen feet five point four meters long. It's actually
Speaker 2: on display in England.
Speaker 3: It took years to do. How's that? Can you imagine?
Speaker 17: Yeah, if you're asking me, look, I've seen a lot
Speaker 17: of Christmas trees made entirely out of two twos in
Speaker 17: my time. But yes, I would have to say that
Speaker 17: is the best one.
Speaker 3: That's the best one. Crowded, crowded field, it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Pretty in pink. I kind of like it. So good
Speaker 2: on her, very creative. You'll loser this week is a skydimer.
Speaker 3: This vision is incredible.
Speaker 17: Sorry, look, d Nika, I'm not the best flyer, like
Speaker 17: I'm getting better, but it still makes me nervous. I
Speaker 17: still wish there was like a service where an IT
Speaker 17: flight attendant can whack me in the back of the
Speaker 17: head with a hammer and I wake up in my destination.
Speaker 17: I thought I had all the fears unlocked about flying
Speaker 17: until I saw this video. Here you see it saying
Speaker 17: it is a skydiver. He is about to jump off
Speaker 17: a plane and then who even.
Speaker 3: Thought this was possible?
Speaker 17: On the tail dangling, just completely helpless in the air.
Speaker 17: Thankfully he's okay, minor injuries. There was reserved parashares. But
Speaker 17: I watched that and I go, well, I didn't know
Speaker 17: I needed to be scared of that as well.
Speaker 2: That is my worst night, maare Actually that makes me
Speaker 2: feel quite sick. And looking at that vision, that is
Speaker 2: incredible that he survived that that that is very very scary.
Speaker 2: So kudos to hear me must be very experienced, I
Speaker 2: would say, because that is terrifying to be my loser
Speaker 2: this week is the front woman for the nineties band
Speaker 2: and if you garbage Shirley Manson, have a look at
Speaker 2: her absolute tirade at one of the fans at her
Speaker 2: Brisbane concert.
Speaker 3: Why because he brought a beach ball to the event.
Speaker 3: Tablov there's a lead.
Speaker 2: Seriously, with that attitude, James Bolt, we gotta leave it.
Speaker 2: They have a great thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: me on the show. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: That's it for me.
Speaker 2: I'll be back Sunday night at seven for Deneka and James.
Speaker 2: Steve Price is next.
Speaker 3: Good Night,