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Speaker 1: Hello, thank you for joining us today on Healthy Ish. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is the daily podcast from Body and Soul with

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Speaker 1: me Felicity halle Ah. Who doesn't love Olympic boxer Harry

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Speaker 1: Gar's side. Did you watch that video where he poured

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Speaker 1: his heart out after his loss in Paris?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My heart, I just wanted to hug him. Well, we

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Speaker 1: caught up with him on his recent book too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he has a new one out to chat about that

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Speaker 1: finish in Paris and how he's somewhat surprised with the

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Speaker 1: way he's handling it all. Now, as you know, we

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Speaker 1: keep these episodes quite short, so if you want more

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Speaker 1: search for our sister pod, Extra Healthy Ish wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Harry, it's lovely having you back on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: I want to see very grateful to be here. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now we've seen you in a lot of interview Well,

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Speaker 1: I've seen you in a lot of interviews, particularly you know,

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Speaker 1: ones like the project, and I've heard people asking how

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with, you know, the failure of not getting

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Speaker 1: a medal, the aftermath. In your book, you talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the aftermath of Tokyo. How is it this

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Speaker 1: time around?

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Speaker 2: Is it different? How are you coping?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've really reflect on this affair. But I have

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Speaker 3: been asked a couple of times, and I'm actually doing

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Speaker 3: reasonably well. And I think I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: saw the post much interview, but I was like distraught.

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Speaker 3: I was quite scared of what the future may hold

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Speaker 3: because I think, I guess we judge our reactions based

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Speaker 3: on past experiences, and some of my past experiences when

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Speaker 3: I failed, especially a failure of this magnitude, like I

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Speaker 3: cared so deeply. I was really scared. I was terrified

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Speaker 3: because I in my past I have done some really

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Speaker 3: poor things when I had failed, or when I had

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Speaker 3: been embarrassed, or when I have gone through a heartbreak

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Speaker 3: or a family loss, like I've really struggled, and I

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Speaker 3: was terrified. Did I I don't know if it's maturity.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's age. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's growth, or I don't know if it's because I'm

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Speaker 3: distracting myself so much being at home. I'm doing really

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Speaker 3: well and I'm really grateful for that.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good. Yeah. Now I think all of Australia

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Speaker 2: saw that in re all.

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Speaker 1: Thought, oh, Harry, I mean, how do you have you

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Speaker 1: watched that back? How do you feel reflecting on that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting. I've had it played in front

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like a weird thing. I think

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Speaker 3: it's like a self preservation thing, to be completely honest,

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Speaker 3: Like I it was so raw, it was so real,

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Speaker 3: and I think I'm terrified to sort of put myself

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Speaker 3: and most environments right like like I don't. There's probably

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Speaker 3: probably how it's supposed to be, Like I don't. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's anyone else's I don't know, obligations

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Speaker 3: and I try my best of these authentic as I can,

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Speaker 3: but at the same time, so I need to honor

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Speaker 3: protect itself, and around my family, around my friends, I

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought your post match interview post fight interview

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Speaker 1: see like I'm disappointed, but I'm okay, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone, but you were just You're

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Speaker 1: exactly how we would all feel at that point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the highs and levels of life, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. I always think that, Like I was

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Speaker 3: like that's a way bigger reward than a gold medal

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Speaker 3: And I didn't start the journey for that reason, but

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Speaker 1: So what did you say to yourself, what have you

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Speaker 1: been saying to yourself? Even when you're talking about it

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Speaker 1: now before people, you know, you go into an interview

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting, I think I very much just

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's like it's a character Like I

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Speaker 3: know that I'm flawed, imperfect. I also know that I'm

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Speaker 3: But it's like people are just like tapping on the

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Speaker 3: a lot of lot. I'm so unbelievably grateful. Like if

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Speaker 3: I start listening to all of that, like you start

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Speaker 3: thinking you're a legend, and I'm like, I'm not. I'm human.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like everyone else. I'm flawed, imperfect, I'm more

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Speaker 3: so caring and loving, and I just try to sit

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Speaker 3: so much. Other I feel really grateful, but at the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting conundrum, isn't it, Because you, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting. It was the first time I'd been

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Speaker 3: And also as well watching like Naomi Fox absolutely don't

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Speaker 3: I'm good friends with Jess Fox as well. Seeing you dominate,

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Speaker 1: Actually, you mentioned in a sanctom you thank them in

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Speaker 1: describe them, you know, the role they play in your life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it's imperative. And I went through some

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Speaker 3: And I think my inner sanctum got way smaller in

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Speaker 1: How I mean, just give us a ballpark, how many?

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Speaker 1: Because I think this is a really I mean, we

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Speaker 2: You are the some of the people you surround yourself with.

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Speaker 1: How you know, some people who perhaps think they're in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I heard this on a podcast recently.

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Speaker 3: I actually think that we can only it's like a

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Speaker 2: So what does Harry gas I do now? Is over?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it there is a bit of a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting because this happened to me last time.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it was a success after Tokyo and I rode

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Speaker 3: did write a poem about this. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: we've got time. But like it was about, I think

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting for something to like bench me or like

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Speaker 3: I'm like rock me, or just like really a soul

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: You're just like, Okay, is it come down? Gonna come?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Kind of well, just sit with it and feel it

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Speaker 1: when it comes. And Harry, and you've got your book

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Speaker 1: to promote.

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's an upset.

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Speaker 3: So that's myself. I said, like, after this book tour,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to create some space and get like four

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Speaker 3: or five days in nature, no phone, just by myself

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Speaker 3: and create the space to feel some emotions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. Harry, Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 3: On healthy Ish, Thanks listening.

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Speaker 2: Four friends.

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Speaker 1: I am going to give a shout out to Harry's

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Speaker 1: new book. It is called The Good Fight.

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Speaker 2: It is out now. It'll be a good purchase, a

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