1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Everyone, Welcome to another edition of Wisdom Wednesday, and today 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: I want to do a deeper dive into what I 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: think is becoming the defining health challenge of our time, 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: and that is the meteoric rise of ultra processed foods, 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: along with the mounting and compelling evidence of the damage 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: that they do to our. 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: Bodies and brains. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: But also I want to talk about what we must 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: change to protect public health. And in this episode, I'm 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: actually going to explore evidence from over one hundred well 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: designed studies that look at the impact on every major 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: organ system, trace how consumption patterns are undermanning our health, 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about what policy levers can actually 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: turn this around. 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: So let's set the scene. 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: So I think most of you have probably heard of 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: all process foods, particularly if you listen to this podcast, 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: because I bang on about them. 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: All the time. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: But these are for those who are not familiar with it. 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: They're industrial formulations of foods, so they're main in factories 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: and mostly or entirely from substances that have been derived 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: from food, So not real food, it's parts of it 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: plus and here's the real nasty stuff. They have lots 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: of additives, flavorings, emulsifiers, stabilizers, colors, preservatives and so on, 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: and actually minimal amount of intact whole foods. Now the 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: classification of ultra process which came from the NOVA system 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: that come out of a university in Brazil, and I'll 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: just give you an example. It's been shown that each 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: ten percent increase in ultraprocessed food consumption has been associated 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: with significant increased risk of death, ten percent increased risk 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: of cardiovascar disease, ten percent increased risk of all forms 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: of cancer and. 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: All cause mortality. 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: In and in Australia, there's been a recent report has 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: shown that that we are actually among the highest consumers 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: global consumers of ultra processed foods, and now about half 38 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: of the average diet is now ultra processed. It's even 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: worse in the UK, and it's even worse in the 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: United States. It's over sixty percent. And in both the 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: United Kingdom and the United States sixty six percent of 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: all food that teenagers eat is ultra processed. 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: Shit. 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: Our food environment is saturated with them. And another report 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: showed that that supermarkets in Australia seventy seven percent of 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: everything that's sold in a supermarket is ultra processed foods? Now, 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: why does all this matter? Well, we want to talk 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: about There's been a series of papers that have been 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: released today. You may have actually seen it on the 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: media today in Australia. Three papers from the Lancet and 51 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm also going to talk about a paper that is 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: just released in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine as well. 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: So let's talk about them. And first of all, the 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: health risks. So, as I said in the start, there 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: is a growing body of research, well over one hundred studies, 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: including umbrella reviews and randomized control trials, and these all 57 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: show robust associations between high ultraprocessed food intake and a 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: broad range of adverse health outcomes, including research from a 59 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: significant review find direct links between ultra processed food intake 60 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: and thirty two distinct harmful effects spanning across mortality, cancer, 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: cardiobilic disorders, gos duraltestinal issues, and mental health health outcomes. Sorry, 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: and I've talked about this umbrella review before. We also 63 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: know a high ultra processed food data is associated with obesity, 64 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: type two diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, early onset cancers, including 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: bile cancer, and the American Journal of Preventive Medicine paper 66 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: that I mentioned estimated that the number of preventable deaths 67 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: linked to ultra process food consumption in multiple countries, and 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: it really reinforces the problem. There's a huge amount nigh 69 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: of preventable deaths that are being attributed to ultra processed foods. 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: And it's not just because these foods are calorie dense. 71 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: It's the additives and the processing that creates issues. So 72 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: let's walk through how they affect our bodies and we'll 73 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: look at different particular organs and systems in the body. 74 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: So first of all, let's look at metabolic and endocrit 75 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: system We know now that high ultra processed food consumption 76 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: is very strongly linked to type two diabetes and insulin resistance, 77 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: and each ten percent increase in ultra processed food intake 78 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: corresponds to a twelve percent higher risk of diabetes. So 79 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: let's take that the average Australian or Britain or American 80 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: that's over fifty percent of their food is ultraed processed 81 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: food that requates to a sixty percent higher risk of diabetes. 82 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: And we know it's the additives as well as the fat, salt, sugar, 83 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: but the additives and the altered food matrix is disrupting 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: our gut microbiome and then disrupts hormonal sink signaling as well. 85 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your cardiovascar system, you know the shit 86 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: that's in it. All of that accelerates atherosclerosis, hypertension or 87 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: high blood pressure and cardiovascar events. And the umbrella review 88 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: that I found showed that people in that in the 89 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: highest amount of ultra processed food had a whopping fifty 90 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: percent increase risk of death from cardiovascar disease, the biggest 91 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: killer on the planet. 92 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: Then, gastro intestinal. 93 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: And liver our gut is exposed directly to these altered 94 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: food matrices, the emulsifiers, the flavor chemicals, the preservatives, and 95 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: there have been a number of studies that link this 96 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: to GOT microbiome disruption, more GOT inflammation polyps that precede 97 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: coorectal cancer. And we're seeing a big increase in boil 98 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: cancer in under fifties in foot countries that consume high 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: ultra processed food amounts. 100 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: And the fact that. 101 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Sixty six percent of everything that teenagers eat in America 102 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: and Britain is ultra processed foods. 103 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: Jesus, you just. 104 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Wait ten years, fifteen years and you see the incidents 105 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: on bill cancer, It's going to be crazy. And half 106 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: the world stopped eating friggin bacon and process meat because 107 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: of an eighteen percent increased risk of ball cancer. This 108 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: shit is way worse. And that was just ball cancer 109 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: for bacon. This is affecting everything, including our nervous system 110 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: and our mental health. The Umbrella review I mentioned showed 111 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: there were thirty two harmful effects, including a forty eight 112 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: percent increased risk of anxiety and a fifty three percent 113 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: increased risk of common mental health disorders. And we wonder 114 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: why teenagers are struggling so much with mental health. Then cancer, 115 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: there's very strong associations between high ultra processed food intake 116 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: and cancer instance, whether it be colorectal, breast, head and neck. 117 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: And there's a plausible mechanism pro inflammaed re additives, glycemic spikes, 118 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: microbiome disruption. Just to mention a few, and as I 119 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, a big increases in all cause mortality with 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: those having high amounts of ultra processed food and some 121 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: studies estimate that it's tens of thousands of premature deaths 122 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: per year in the US alone. 123 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the deterioration of overall health. 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Right, So I went through particular organs and organ systems, 125 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: but it's also the systemic toxin in our body. So 126 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: when we replace normal foods, nutrient dense foods, with these 127 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: industrial formulations shit that's been made in factories, we lose 128 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: nutrients as well as gaining all the other shit. We 129 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: lose fiber, and we have disturbed eating patterns. That food 130 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: matrix and addict so the additives that are in it, 131 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and they cause hormonal disruption, metabolic disruption, microbiome damage, there's multi. 132 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Organ wear in terror. 133 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: Over many years, the cumulative burden actually bills creating insulin resistance, hypertension, 134 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: chronic inflammation, which is the driver of pretty much every 135 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: chronic disease. And then then we see disease coming obesity, diabetes, 136 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: cardiovaster dides, cancer, anxiety, depression, all of these things and 137 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: premature aging and mortality. And now I want to just 138 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: focus on very briefly on Australia. So there was a 139 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: report in the Guardian today that showed from these papers 140 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: in the landset that we are one of the hast 141 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: consumers of ultraprocessed foods globally, about half of our diet 142 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: now ultra processed foods. And the thing about Australia is 143 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: we do not have a national comprehensive food and nutrition 144 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: policy that's modern. The last one was way back in 145 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. The government has been as sleep at 146 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: the wheel for over thirty years and there are very 147 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: significant structural policy failures. So I just want to take 148 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,119 Speaker 1: one thing. Apologies again if you don't live in Australia. 149 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: This health star rating that we see on foods, it 150 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: is horseshit. 151 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: That's my view. 152 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: Scientists have called it a classic example of counterproductive policy. 153 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: And basically what happened is all the food manufacturers were 154 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: involved in its development, enabling ultra pros foods to game 155 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: the system and still get high star ratings. So for instance, 156 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: let's take nutri grain, the best selling breakfast cereal in 157 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: Australia has got I think it's four and a half stars, 158 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: and they got that high because they reduced their sugar 159 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: content from thirty three grams per hundred grams to twenty 160 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: nine grams per hundred grams. It's still ultra process shit 161 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: that is high in sugar, but it's got a lot 162 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: of stars because the Star system compares foods in a category, right, 163 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: so nutri grain is compared to other breakfast cereals and 164 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: because most of them are shit, it gets a higher 165 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: star rating. 166 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: So it's just a crazy system. 167 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: So let's let's gain broaden out a bit more general 168 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: and talk about conflicts of interests. The US is probably 169 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: leading on this, so the US Right to No investigation 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: found that nearly half of all members of the Datary 171 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: Guidelines Advisory Committee had significant ties to big food each 172 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: our pharmaceutical companies such as Nestle, Coca Cola, National legg Board, 173 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: these sorts of things. And another analysis found that ninety 174 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: five percent of the members had some conflict of interest 175 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: either food or pharma industry in the twenty twenty guidelines 176 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: processed like that is just bullshit. 177 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 2: And the Nutrition Coalition. 178 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: And they found that nine out of twenty members had 179 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: high or medium risk conflicts of interest with companies or industry. 180 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: And these are people that are setting the dietary guidelines, 181 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: which for me is just bonkers. I've already talked about 182 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: Australia and the health star riisdom, which is problematic. There's 183 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: also problems in the UK. So what do we need 184 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: to do? Probably, and the Lancet was pointing towards this. 185 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: These series a three tiered roadmap. One is personal household 186 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: and other's community and health, and then the other's national policy. 187 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: So at the individual level, this is about eating more 188 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: real food, shit that's been alive. Right, And if I've 189 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: talked for many, many years about a low Hahi diet, 190 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: low human interference, and I use the eighty twenty ruler, 191 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: about eighty percent of the stuff that goes into your 192 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: gub and your kids gobs on a daily basis should 193 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: have been alive recently and minimally interfered with by humans. 194 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: So there are lots of things such as breakfast cereals, 195 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: protein bars, these sorts of things that are just mail 196 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: in factories and plant based burgers. You know it siunds healthy, 197 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: but they're basically their ultra process shit. So the key 198 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: thing is check the labels and if it's got more 199 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: than five ingredients, it's probably an ultra processed food. If 200 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: it's got things like a multiplier, stables, flavors or stuff 201 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: that your granny wouldn't mention, it's an ultra processed food. 202 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it running around on two legs 203 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: or four legs, or grown out of the ground or 204 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: off a tree, it's an ultra processed food. So it's 205 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: about minimizing the amount that we buy because when it's 206 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: in the house, you're more likely to eat it. And 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: this stuff is very Moorish because it's been designed to 208 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: hijack our brains. It's about having more home cooked meals. 209 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: It's about cooking extra and using that for your lunch, 210 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: and it's about having snacks that. 211 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: Are actually real foods. 212 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: Then at the community level, we need to update the messaging, 213 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: not just less sugar and fat that's so outdeated. The 214 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: focus is going to be on less ultra processing and 215 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: schools and hospitals. Like I was recently in hospital, the 216 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: food was shit. A lot of it was just ultra 217 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: process crap, high carbohydrate, very low protein, very low amounts 218 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: of good fats because it's cheap. It's cheapest chips and 219 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: the salmon skulls. You know, we're feeding our kids ultra 220 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: process shit because it's cheap. 221 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: In Brazil. 222 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Then I have a policy that foods in school launch 223 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: programs have to be ninety percent minimally processed oh to be. 224 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: And we need to have. 225 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: Surveillance systems that monitor consumption rates and link them to 226 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: disease outcomes so that we can actually measure the progress 227 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: and this stuff. And then the national level, this is 228 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: what the Lances calling for and I fully agree with it. 229 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: We've got to reform the food system. We've got to 230 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: tax ultra processed foods and drinks, and we've got to 231 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: subsidize real foods. We've got to have regulations to restrict 232 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: marketing of ultra process foods, especially the children. We need 233 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: to get the supermarkets on board to stop having this 234 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: stuff right at the at the counters or at the 235 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: end of the aisles, which is where you're most likely 236 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: to buy stuff. 237 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: And we need to reform the packaging. 238 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: We need to get rid of this horseshit health Star 239 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: rating in Australia and actually replace it about ultra processed 240 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: food rating. And then we need to weed out the 241 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: conflicts of interests on the ditry guidelines. We need to 242 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: hold dietitians Australia to account. They were found to be 243 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: taking money from breakfast cereal manufacturers. Now I know that 244 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: was years ago, but there's just dodgy shit that happens 245 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: all the time, and we need national nutritional policies that 246 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: are tied to this evidence because the evidence around this 247 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: stuff is not what they call Class one evidence, which 248 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: is compelling evidence. And this is what we need to do. 249 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: So it's a sum up. Really my rant, this is 250 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: a wisdom rednsty rant. The evidence here is not irrefutable 251 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: that high consumption of ultra processed food is a major driver, 252 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: if not the major driver of chronic disease, both physical 253 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: and mental. It affects every single major organ system. It 254 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: accelerates our aging, it destroys our mental health, and it 255 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: contributes to premature death, and it's a massive impact on 256 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: the healthcare system. We are living through a nutrition crisis 257 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: with a default diet in many countries not healthy. And 258 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: what the research is sharing that the more supermarkets that 259 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: there are in countries, the more ultra processed foods that 260 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: are actually consumed. We need to start taxing the shit 261 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: out of this, and we need to start subsidizing real 262 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: food if we are serious about reversing the tide. It's 263 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: not a nice to have this stuff, but I think 264 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: it's now a public health imperative rant. 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: Over catch you next time.